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Off-Season Player Development Blueprint · A Quick Timeout

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SPEAKER_01: current owner and director of Catalyst Training, Reid Osi.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach, welcome to the show.
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SPEAKER_02: Coach, thanks for having me on.
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SPEAKER_01: For a little context on today's episode,
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can you talk about the kind of training that you do with
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Catalyst and maybe how you
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came to all that with your experience coaching at the college
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level and then
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SPEAKER_01: working with really all age groups all the way up to the pro level?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I actually kind of fell into this opportunity.
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SPEAKER_02: I was a college coach in the Midwest, Minnesota and Iowa.
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got engaged and it's kind of a crazy long story so i won't go
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too far into it but
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my wife was living in new york city working in reality
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television i'm in moorhead
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minnesota there's not a huge reality tv market there and so i
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made the choice that
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i was gonna go to new york and kind of let i was gonna chase my
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dream but she had
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SPEAKER_02: something that was really good and so i wanted her to continue doing that
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SPEAKER_02: And so I completely,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: totally intended on continuing the college basketball route,
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SPEAKER_02: had some interviews,
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SPEAKER_02: had some opportunities,
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SPEAKER_02: wasn't able to land any of those.
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And so I figured it would probably be a good idea to get a job
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while I was sitting in New York.
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SPEAKER_02: I started working at a gym and on a Sunday afternoon,
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SPEAKER_02: I ran into DJ Sackman,
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SPEAKER_02: who I think is probably the best skill development
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uh trainer in the world and he had just moved back from la
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needed some help next
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thing you know we we launched a gym in northern new jersey and
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the rest is is
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history so you know we're skill development on the court we get
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asked this all the
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time like can you help me dunk no i can't help you dunk that's
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not my specialty i
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didn't go to school for the athletic performance side but we
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are strictly skill
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SPEAKER_02: And that can go a lot of different ways.
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So we're doing ball handling,
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footwork,
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things of that nature,
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shooting,
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obviously.
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But we spend a ton of time on decision making because I believe
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decision making is a skill.
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SPEAKER_02: So we do a lot of live stuff,
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SPEAKER_02: putting players in situations where they're forced to make decisions.
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SPEAKER_02: And so that's just kind of a brief overview of what we do.
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I wanted to talk to you because this is slightly different from
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the perspective of
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SPEAKER_01: an in season coach who they've got the whole team to train.
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We're now in the off season and a lot of times we have groups
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that are smaller two
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SPEAKER_01: to six players.
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SPEAKER_01: With that perspective,
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what are the first steps that you believe a coach should be
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taking transitioning
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from kind of the traditional scripted drills that we've done a
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lot of times in
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SPEAKER_01: individual workouts to more of a decision based environment?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know that you're a big CLA guy, right?
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And there's a ton of small-sided games that we incorporate into
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our stuff to just
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SPEAKER_02: force players to make decisions.
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SPEAKER_02: I put categories or decisions into three categories.
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It's like you have good decisions,
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you have bad decisions,
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and the third one is the worst.
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SPEAKER_02: That's indecision.
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Just not doing anything because we don't really we don't learn
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from not doing anything.
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SPEAKER_02: And so you make a good decision.
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SPEAKER_02: We can say, hey, you know, that was great.
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SPEAKER_02: How do we get you in a spot where you can do that again?
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SPEAKER_02: You make a bad decision.
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SPEAKER_02: OK,
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let's identify what was bad about that so that we can try to
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fix it and use that as
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SPEAKER_02: feedback to learn.
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But we have so many players that are so fearful of making the
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wrong decision that
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SPEAKER_02: they become indecisive and they don't make a decision at all.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's really difficult, I think, for players to grow through that.
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I would say a spoken truth is temporary,
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but a discovered truth is permanent.
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SPEAKER_02: So if you tell somebody over and over,
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SPEAKER_02: it might stick with them for a little bit,
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SPEAKER_02: but that's a spoken truth.
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The discovery moment is what needs to happen for players to
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actually learn and understand.
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SPEAKER_02: And sometimes that discovery moment happens through failure.
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SPEAKER_02: And so as we transition towards the offseason,
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we want to be putting players in situations where they not only
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are forced to make
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SPEAKER_02: decisions,
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but they're forced to make them quickly and then able to learn
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and get and get
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SPEAKER_02: feedback from those decisions.
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Because I think a lot of players can understand if something's
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good or it's bad,
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SPEAKER_02: but they also need to be able to identify,
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SPEAKER_02: hey,
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SPEAKER_02: that was good.
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SPEAKER_02: What was good about it so that I can do it again?
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SPEAKER_02: And if it was bad,
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what part was bad so that i can try to avoid that and try to do
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something else when
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you make the shift from those traditional drills to more small
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sided games you just
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inherently get more chaos and sometimes that frightens coaches
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i have also seen it
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become a little sloppy and sometimes counterproductive how do
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you strike the
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balance so that you're actually accomplishing what you want to
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accomplish without
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SPEAKER_01: it just being mass chaos
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SPEAKER_02: I think it's hard at times to completely avoid the chaos.
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When I,
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when I speak at coaches clinics,
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I talk to,
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I'm talking to players and coaches.
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SPEAKER_02: I think we need to look at our definition of success,
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SPEAKER_02: like what needs to happen today for today to be deemed successful.
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SPEAKER_02: And so many coaches would say,
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SPEAKER_02: Well, we need to get better today.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_02: okay,
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SPEAKER_02: so if that's how you would define success,
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SPEAKER_02: then we need to do whatever we can to get better.
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SPEAKER_02: Yet what happens is we put them out there.
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SPEAKER_02: We start making mistakes.
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SPEAKER_02: It's sloppy.
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SPEAKER_02: It's chaotic.
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SPEAKER_02: And then I think the coach gets in the way.
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because we have this conversation in our head of,
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okay,
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well,
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this isn't good.
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SPEAKER_02: And if it's not good, then it's bad.
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SPEAKER_02: And if it's bad, then we're probably not getting better.
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SPEAKER_02: I need control.
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SPEAKER_02: And as coaches,
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I think that's the biggest challenge is we need to try to
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create independent
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SPEAKER_02: players that can figure things out on their own.
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And we're obviously there to coach them,
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but sometimes we get a little misguided.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think we're like, oh, I need control.
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SPEAKER_02: We somehow pull the reins back, get control and we leave.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're like, oh, that was good.
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SPEAKER_02: And you're like, yeah, but
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But was it good or did we just get control and eliminate some
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of the sloppiness?
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the biggest challenge.
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SPEAKER_02: And I actually see that all over the floor.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I have a good friend,
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SPEAKER_02: Matt Fletcher,
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SPEAKER_02: who's the head coach at Concordia St.
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SPEAKER_02: Paul,
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SPEAKER_02: and they play like a really up and down fast paced system.
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Well,
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that requires a lot of quick decision making and there's
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freedom in it.
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SPEAKER_02: And coaches will call him and say,
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SPEAKER_02: hey,
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SPEAKER_02: Fletch,
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SPEAKER_02: what's the biggest deterrent to running this offense?
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SPEAKER_02: And he says, you.
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SPEAKER_02: Because the first week of practice,
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you're going to see more bad shots and more turnovers than
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you've ever seen in your
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SPEAKER_02: life,
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SPEAKER_02: and you're going to panic and try to get control.
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And so I think we're seeing that as the game is kind of
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changing and we're running
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SPEAKER_02: more conceptual stuff versus a ton of set plays and things like that.
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SPEAKER_02: As we give players freedom,
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SPEAKER_02: we need to understand that we're also giving them freedom to screw it up,
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SPEAKER_02: and we need to adjust how we coach that.
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SPEAKER_01: You mentioned the CLA component, the constraints.
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How do you determine the specific constraints for a small-sided
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game in order to
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work on whatever skill or skills that you're trying to
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accomplish with the guys?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a great question.
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We adjust all the time based on kind of the level of player
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that we have in the gym and
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SPEAKER_02: positionally we do.
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I think there's a there's a lot of people that are like
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specific skill breakdown or
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SPEAKER_02: their CLA and it's like pick.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like political, like no one's in the middle.
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SPEAKER_02: Pick a side.
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SPEAKER_02: And for me,
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SPEAKER_02: You know, my foundation came from like the really detailed skill work.
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SPEAKER_02: We want to get control of your feet,
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SPEAKER_02: not to turn you into a robot,
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SPEAKER_02: but to so when you get in a situation,
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SPEAKER_02: the game's going to say,
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SPEAKER_02: hey,
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SPEAKER_02: you need to get to this and you need to answer.
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SPEAKER_02: Do I have control of my feet to get to that?
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, that's where I think some of the specific stuff is good.
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SPEAKER_02: but it also can turn players into robots.
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SPEAKER_02: And so as I've done this longer,
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SPEAKER_02: it's like,
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SPEAKER_02: oh,
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SPEAKER_02: I used to,
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SPEAKER_02: when I'm working with Paige Beckers,
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_02: well,
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SPEAKER_02: her feet weren't clean on that.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, but what's clean mean, right?
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Like she's arguably the best women's player in the world or
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soon going to be,
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SPEAKER_02: and she's really effective.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm focusing on the wrong things.
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SPEAKER_02: And so for me, we're trying to go, okay,
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let's say we have a group of guards in the gym that's going to
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be different than if
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we have or like ball dominant point guards that's going to be
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different than than
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certain wing players we want to go over specific skills maybe
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at the beginning
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touch on some concepts and then try to put them in a situation
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the small side of
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game where they're forced to do some of the things that we just
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did a breakdown in
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and so the goal here is how do we touch on those things in the
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most effective way
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and that kind of changes and molds we might do like this the
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same small sided game
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SPEAKER_02: With three or four different groups,
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and it might look completely different because we're just kind
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of changing the
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SPEAKER_02: constraints based on the group.
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SPEAKER_01: Have you found that a specific number,
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SPEAKER_01: whether that's like three on three or two on two,
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is there something most beneficial or maybe is there something
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more beneficial for
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SPEAKER_01: a specific age group?
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Or is there a number that's most beneficial for the specific
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type of skill or
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SPEAKER_01: skills that you're using?
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SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
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yeah instead of just throwing out there we're always going to
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play three on three
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and that accomplishes what we wanted to i don't want coaches
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just randomly picking
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something because they see something cool a small side of game
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that we post or
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something like that but like almost the reverse engineer
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mentality of like okay
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what am i trying to accomplish okay so how how is the best way
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for me to be able to
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do that with the numbers that i have i i think coaches need to
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give themselves
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SPEAKER_02: permission to like be wrong and then adjust
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And so there's like I remember a couple of years ago we were
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doing a three on three
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ball screen read like we were trying to get the guard to get in
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situations where
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SPEAKER_02: they had to make decisions.
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SPEAKER_02: I turn the corner.
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SPEAKER_02: Do I need to continue my attack?
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Do I need to get the big or do I need to throw it back to the
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ball side corner like
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SPEAKER_02: and trying to make those reads quickly?
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and they've really struggled actually getting to the ball
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screen so i stopped and i
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said like in my head i'm thinking we could do this for 20
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minutes and they might
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come off the ball screen one time cleanly and they're like i
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did it and it's like
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congrats you made one read in 20 minutes that doesn't sound
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very effective so i
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said stop get set up three on three i walked up to the on-ball
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defender and i said
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SPEAKER_02: get off and they're like
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what i said yeah here's we're gonna switch this so the the
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point guard coming off
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the ball screen has no defender like so three on two i'm like
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correct they can turn
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the corner and they can score it but once they get rid of it
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they have to step off
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and we'll just finish the possession two on two and so now
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they're coming off
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cleanly and they're getting to like their decision making point
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do i continue do i
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SPEAKER_02: get rid of it do i shoot it all those decisions
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SPEAKER_02: And I said,
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we're just simulating that the on-ball defender went over the
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top and they got
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SPEAKER_02: clipped.
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SPEAKER_02: That's all we're simulating.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, after 5, 10 minutes, they've made 15, 20 reads.
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SPEAKER_02: Everything's going great.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, all right, let's throw that defender out there.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, they still have no idea how to come off the ball screen, but...
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If they do get lucky enough to figure out how to come off the
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ball screen,
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SPEAKER_02: at least they know what they're looking for once they get there.
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SPEAKER_02: And so that's just an example of how we adjust.
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SPEAKER_02: When I speak at coaches clinics,
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I'll kind of go through some of these things and I'll have
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coaches be like,
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SPEAKER_02: that's your best drill.
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SPEAKER_02: Where did you get that?
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SPEAKER_02: And I said,
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SPEAKER_02: to be honest,
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I just improv during the middle of the session because I saw
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what they were
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SPEAKER_02: struggling with.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I think
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it's not a number it's not threes or fours or two onto what
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it's not a number it's
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you need to be able to identify what are we trying to get out
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of this so in that
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ball screen drill we were trying to put the guard in situations
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where they had to
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make the decision and the setup that we had they weren't ever
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getting to the
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decision making point i'm like well this is counterproductive
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for what we're trying
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SPEAKER_02: to do
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SPEAKER_02: So how do we adjust it?
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SPEAKER_02: And then we put the on ball defender and they still struggle.
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And I said,
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okay,
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now you have to go over the top and you can't switch the
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initial action.
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SPEAKER_02: So now they're actually feeling some contact.
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SPEAKER_02: And then you just kept taking, we just kept taking restrictions away.
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And eventually you're playing three on three live and they're
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just making good
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SPEAKER_02: decisions because we,
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SPEAKER_02: we knew what we were trying to get to.
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SPEAKER_01: That's great because I think just traditionally coaches just like drills.
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They'll ask me,
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so what,
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what drill,
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what small side of game do you have for that?
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SPEAKER_01: And,
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SPEAKER_01: Because I don't want to explain it all to them.
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SPEAKER_01: I just give them something.
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But the reality is,
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it's just being able to build to get what you want out of it.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the cool thing with the constraints as well,
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is that you can add in the constraints and now it becomes this
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new quote unquote
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SPEAKER_01: drill that they can use.
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SPEAKER_01: But it's not really anything that's special to me or you.
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It's just your ability as a coach to be able to see like what
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they need in that
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moment and then to adjust and build your own small sided game
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or whatever it is.
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SPEAKER_02: I remember when I was a college coach,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: we go to the final four and you go to the coaches clinics.
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And I think Jay Wright spoke one year and he had this really
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good drill,
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right?
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So we come back,
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we're planning for practice preseason stuff the next year.
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SPEAKER_02: And we have this, we have this drill.
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SPEAKER_02: We're like, we love this so much.
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SPEAKER_02: We're going to jam this into our practice plan.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyway, we, we can't.
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SPEAKER_02: And then one of the coaches said,
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SPEAKER_02: well,
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SPEAKER_02: we do need to work with,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: I can't even remember what it was because it was 13 years ago,
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SPEAKER_02: this concept.
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So now we're trying to take this already molded drill and we're
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trying to like dump
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SPEAKER_02: water on hard clay and make it soft again and mold it.
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And after about 30 minutes,
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someone just said,
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why don't we just make our own drill?
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SPEAKER_02: And it was like, because we got so in love with this drill.
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And it was good,
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but I think part of it was we were young and we're like,
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that's Jay Wright.
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SPEAKER_02: Like Jay Wright, that's his drill.
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SPEAKER_02: We're going to run his drill.
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And we wasted so much time trying to mold it into something
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else that we just said,
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SPEAKER_02: okay,
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SPEAKER_02: what are we trying to get to?
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SPEAKER_02: Let's design something.
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SPEAKER_02: It worked.
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And I think we ran it probably three or four times a week the
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rest of the year.
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SPEAKER_01: The most applicable skills for today's game.
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SPEAKER_01: What should players actually be working on this offseason?
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SPEAKER_02: Shooting and finishing.
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SPEAKER_01: I saw it was funny.
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It's because I think like coaches are having this epiphany that
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all of these things
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SPEAKER_01: that they've been seeing online,
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SPEAKER_01: whether that's,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: these moves,
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SPEAKER_01: counter moves.
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SPEAKER_01: The guy basically said at the end of his tweet,
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SPEAKER_01: he was basically like,
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SPEAKER_01: it really is just the ability to catch and shoot,
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SPEAKER_01: to catch it on the move.
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SPEAKER_01: to make good decisions and to have good footwork in the paint.
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It sounds so boring,
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but that's just,
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that's,
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that's what modern basketball is.
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SPEAKER_02: That's, that's what it is.
16:14
SPEAKER_02: And when you look at structure,
16:16
SPEAKER_02: like the structure of how offense has changed,
16:20
SPEAKER_02: you know,
16:21
SPEAKER_02: we work,
16:22
SPEAKER_02: my catalyst,
16:23
SPEAKER_02: like we're known for page Beckers and the high,
16:26
SPEAKER_02: high caliber players.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: We work with youth programs, right?
16:28
So we're working with these programs and,
16:31
and we're talking about like spacing.
16:34
SPEAKER_02: And you have a fifth grade team.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: They're standing at the three-point line.
16:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, back up, back up, NBA three.
16:41
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, coach, I'm not going to shoot it out here.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I know you're nine.
16:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm fully aware that you're not going to shoot it out here.
16:48
SPEAKER_02: Guys, what's the best shot we can get?
16:50
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, layups.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, great.
16:53
So in order to get layups,
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we probably should give the ball handler some space,
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right?
16:58
SPEAKER_02: OK, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: What's the second best shot we can get inside outside threes?
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SPEAKER_02: Well,
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SPEAKER_02: you're in fourth grade,
17:04
SPEAKER_02: so you're maybe not going to be launching a lot of threes,
17:06
SPEAKER_02: but we want our jumpers to be inside outside.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: Right.
17:10
SPEAKER_02: So for both of those shots, we got to get the ball in the paint.
17:13
SPEAKER_02: So we need to we need to space the floor.
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and you know you go to like the mid-ranges versus threes and
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it's like i'm not
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anti-mid range i'm anti-contested shot most mid-ranges most
17:25
mid-range shots are
17:26
contested and if your point guard is driving the ball or
17:29
someone's driving the ball
17:30
to the floor well we want to get layups so why are you standing
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at 18 feet because
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SPEAKER_02: we got to give them more space so back up
17:38
That just opens up situations for layups,
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catch and shoots off of inside,
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outside.
17:44
SPEAKER_02: And then ultimately the best time to attack is off of a closeout.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: If you have the ball,
17:48
if you're spaced the floor properly and the ball gets thrown to
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you and they're
17:51
SPEAKER_02: flying at you,
17:52
SPEAKER_02: then put it on the deck.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: But you got to do it quick.
17:56
SPEAKER_02: Shooting, finishing, quick decisions when that ball gets to you.
18:00
SPEAKER_02: If you can be really good at those three things,
18:03
SPEAKER_02: I think you got a chance to be a pretty good basketball player.
18:06
SPEAKER_01: You alluded to the footwork before.
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SPEAKER_01: I know coaches know that this is important.
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I don't necessarily always hear them say that's one of the most
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important,
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SPEAKER_01: most important skills.
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SPEAKER_01: What are you focusing on with footwork?
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And what do you think is the most important types of footwork,
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I guess,
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for modern basketball?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I think the ability to stop left, right and right, left is huge.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: And so, for example, I'm left handed.
18:35
SPEAKER_02: So growing up, I was really comfortable stopping right, left.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: And I wasn't as comfortable stopping left, right.
18:42
SPEAKER_02: But people are like, oh, no, you're left handed.
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And so it was this idea that the type of footwork that you have
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is based on what
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SPEAKER_02: hand you shoot the ball with.
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SPEAKER_02: In our in our players community this morning, someone sent me.
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SPEAKER_02: a video and it's a right-handed player and they stop left, right.
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SPEAKER_02: When they're going to their right,
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SPEAKER_02: when they go to their left,
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SPEAKER_02: their left,
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SPEAKER_02: they go right,
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SPEAKER_02: left,
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SPEAKER_02: right.
19:03
SPEAKER_02: And they take three steps.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Hey, that's not wrong, but that's three steps instead of two.
19:08
SPEAKER_02: We want to slam on the brakes and have the defender overrun us.
19:12
SPEAKER_02: That's our space.
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SPEAKER_02: We have space, we have options.
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And so when I break this down,
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I would say,
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okay,
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I'll give you an example.
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I'm working with Brad Davison,
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who's on the Wisconsin staff played for the Badgers.
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SPEAKER_02: This is probably six years ago and he struggled to stop right, left.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're doing some sideline pick and roll stuff.
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And I'm thinking,
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Brad,
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you have to have the ability to do this and stop right,
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left.
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SPEAKER_02: And it has nothing to do with your jumper.
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SPEAKER_02: Like if you get 10 shots in a game,
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probably three or four of those are maybe more catch and shoot
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threes and the rest
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SPEAKER_02: are at the rim.
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SPEAKER_02: So you're maybe shooting one to two shots a game off the bounce.
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SPEAKER_02: You have to stop hundreds of times during the game.
19:56
SPEAKER_02: So for simple math,
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let's say you stop a hundred times during the game and you
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shoot two pull up
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SPEAKER_02: jumpers.
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SPEAKER_02: So
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We're only going to have one footwork habit based off of
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something that applies 2% of the time.
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SPEAKER_02: That doesn't make sense at all.
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And so Micah Lancaster,
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who's on the opposite spectrum of the CLA stuff,
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he had a great quote.
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SPEAKER_02: He said, a good habit is a bad habit when it's your only habit.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: And so for a player that can stop left, right, that's a great habit.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: But if that's your only habit,
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there are going to be situations where you need to stop quickly
20:30
and you can't take
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SPEAKER_02: that third step.
20:32
SPEAKER_02: But now you don't have the ability to do that.
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SPEAKER_02: You can only stop left, right.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: So now it's right, left, right.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: And it's three steps.
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SPEAKER_02: And so you're held hostage by this good habit.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: And so for me, I want to challenge players with specifics.
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SPEAKER_02: Can you stop left, right?
20:47
SPEAKER_02: Can you stop right, left?
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SPEAKER_02: Can you stop with an overstep like our drag series?
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SPEAKER_02: Can you do those things?
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so that when you get in more of a small sided game or a live
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game and you have to
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SPEAKER_02: respond to what the defense is giving you,
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do you actually have foot control to do what's required in
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those situations?
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SPEAKER_02: That's my take on the footwork stuff.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: The shooting.
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SPEAKER_01: What's your philosophy on practicing shooting?
21:15
SPEAKER_01: Are you incorporating it primarily into small-sided games?
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SPEAKER_01: Are you kind of doing a little bit more block?
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And anything else that you think would be beneficial for
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improving player shooting?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I try to avoid a ton of just stationary reps unless –
21:35
SPEAKER_02: As soon as I say I avoid it,
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the first thing that pops into my head is the situation when we
21:39
would use that.
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If we got a player that's maybe struggling or they just need to
21:43
see the ball go
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SPEAKER_02: through the hoop from a confidence standpoint,
21:45
SPEAKER_02: we're going to spend some time doing that.
21:47
SPEAKER_02: But in terms of the offseason, like I don't think it makes
21:50
a whole lot of sense to get a ton of reps without being at
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least slightly fatigued
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like we want to have players on the move because they're going
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to be tired when
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they're shooting in games and so we want to simulate at least a
22:04
little bit get
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their heart rate up where they're on the move they have to
22:07
adjust um i do think
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that it it's it's a little bit different because we don't have
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players that are
22:13
SPEAKER_02: like a jj reddit kyle korver coming off pin downs catching and shooting
22:19
SPEAKER_02: It's primarily more of your like Alabama.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: We space it.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: Guys stand in the corner.
22:25
SPEAKER_02: We dribble.
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SPEAKER_02: We kick it.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: So there is a ton of like the standstill shooting.
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SPEAKER_02: And so we don't necessarily want to avoid that.
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but the players need to understand like i don't just get to go
22:35
stand in a spot like
22:36
a potted plant and i'm not required to move i got to be able to
22:39
adjust to the pass
22:41
i got to be able to adjust to finding that pocket of space
22:45
based off where the tag
22:46
defender rotates things of that nature and so we try to keep we
22:50
try to get players
22:51
moving a little bit we do a lot of like six or eight or nine
22:56
shot series where
22:58
We might have a player on the right wing and they're going to
23:00
rip and get downhill
23:02
SPEAKER_02: and get to maybe like a layup or a finesse finish.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: And then they got to sprint to the corner and relocate.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: So now you're simulating.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm driving it.
23:09
SPEAKER_02: I got off the ball.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: I have to get out and make myself a threat immediately.
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And now they're going to get a catch and shoot on the in the
23:16
corner and then
23:17
SPEAKER_02: they're going to lift.
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towards the slot where they started as if the ball was driven
23:22
away from them
23:23
they're pulling behind and now we can hit them that's three
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shots and it's like
23:26
well you can just have a player repeat that series three times
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and so now they're
23:31
getting a ton of shots they're on the move they're getting a
23:34
little bit fatigued
23:35
but it simulates the game so it's like if we have three you
23:39
know a group of three
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SPEAKER_02: players you go get nine shots you can get that done in about
23:44
27 seconds and now you're tired well now you become the
23:47
rebounder the rebounder
23:48
becomes the passer so now you you just go for 30 seconds hard
23:54
then you get a break
23:55
for a minute 30 seconds hard you get a break for a minute and
23:57
you can actually get
23:58
a ton of shots up doing things like that you've mentioned some
24:02
of the people that
24:03
SPEAKER_01: you work with elite level beyond the physical tools
24:08
What do you feel like are some of the common denominators in
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the way that those
24:13
SPEAKER_01: elite players approach workouts?
24:17
SPEAKER_02: They want feedback.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: They want they want to be great.
24:21
SPEAKER_02: They view feedback as a tool and not as like a negative criticism.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: I joke.
24:31
I've joked with people that I think the only time Paige Beckers
24:36
has gotten mad at
24:37
me is when we were about 45 minutes into a workout and I hadn't
24:40
screwed her feet up
24:41
SPEAKER_02: yet.
24:42
SPEAKER_02: She's like, are we good?
24:45
SPEAKER_02: What are we doing?
24:45
SPEAKER_02: I was like, Paige, I'm challenging you.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: You're shooting the crap out of the basketball right now.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: You're rolling.
24:54
SPEAKER_02: She was frustrated because she wanted a weakness to be exposed.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: I think that
25:02
SPEAKER_02: the high level players,
25:03
SPEAKER_02: like they're like sifting through the dirt,
25:05
SPEAKER_02: looking for that little nugget of gold.
25:07
SPEAKER_02: Cause they're like, I want to get better.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: I know that I have deficiencies in my game, point them out, please.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's,
25:15
SPEAKER_02: that's the difference,
25:16
SPEAKER_02: but it's not just that it's like their overall mindset.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: It's how they go in and prepare.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: Like I just got done on a call last night talking about AZ FUD,
25:25
SPEAKER_02: like AZ FUD comes to the gym and has like a 25 minute warmup.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: She's got like her little tools.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter if she wants to do it.
25:34
SPEAKER_02: If she doesn't want to do it,
25:36
SPEAKER_02: she's like removed all of her feelings and emotions from the equation.
25:40
SPEAKER_02: This is what I do when I get in the gym and they prepare like pros.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: They get to the right mindset.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: So when they step on the floor,
25:48
SPEAKER_02: their body's ready,
25:49
SPEAKER_02: their mind is ready and they're ready to work.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: And they understand that honesty,
25:54
SPEAKER_02: like I would say this honesty is the best way that I can love a player.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: Just tell them the truth.
25:59
And high-level players agree with that,
26:00
and that's what they're looking for.
26:02
I'm glad you mentioned the feedback because I wanted to ask you
26:04
about that next.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: How do you handle that during the workouts,
26:09
SPEAKER_01: whether that's frequency,
26:11
SPEAKER_01: what kind you give,
26:12
SPEAKER_01: what it sounds like,
26:14
SPEAKER_01: even age-appropriate maybe as well?
26:17
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think –
26:19
I think players need to create,
26:22
we need to help them create a sense of independence.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: There is a book that I have not read.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: My dad has read and I've seen different breakdowns on it.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: It's called Toxic Charity.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: Have you ever heard of that before?
26:36
SPEAKER_01: It sounds familiar.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: And so it's,
26:39
SPEAKER_02: it's written not on sports or anything like that,
26:41
SPEAKER_02: but it's this idea that like,
26:43
SPEAKER_02: if I do something nice for you,
26:45
SPEAKER_02: once you appreciate it,
26:47
SPEAKER_02: if I do it again,
26:48
SPEAKER_02: you anticipate that I'll do it a third time.
26:50
SPEAKER_02: Then I expect it.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: Then I feel entitled to it.
26:53
SPEAKER_02: And then ultimately I'm dependent upon you for it.
26:56
And I think basketball becomes the same way,
27:00
especially at the youth levels,
27:01
because you,
27:02
you have kids that like have no idea what they're doing they're
27:05
brand new like they
27:07
don't know what they don't know and so as coaches we try to
27:10
help them and we try to
27:12
correct them and instead of players viewing it as oh i need to
27:17
take you know
27:18
responsibility for my own game they end up adapting the mindset
27:22
of if i'm screwing
27:23
something up someone will come tell me and it's this idea of
27:26
like when helping
27:28
SPEAKER_02: hurts and so
27:30
with the youth players i think they're generally used to
27:34
coaches over correcting
27:35
and over and it's done in an effort to help them right these
27:39
coaches are trying to
27:40
love on them but they're just creating a state of dependence
27:42
for the player on the
27:43
coach and so i try to back off that a little bit and they'll
27:47
they'll do like two
27:48
reps they'll screw it up and i'm like oh you haven't even done
27:50
enough reps to know
27:51
what you're doing keep going right like you we gotta we gotta
27:55
figure this out and
27:56
SPEAKER_02: then with the high level players
27:59
SPEAKER_02: I can sense.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: And if I get to know him, like the gears are turning.
28:03
SPEAKER_02: So like page or AZ Fudd,
28:05
SPEAKER_02: Megan Gustafson,
28:06
SPEAKER_02: these high level players will put the,
28:08
SPEAKER_02: you know,
28:09
get a rep and they might be walking back and they're kind of
28:12
staring at the floor
28:13
SPEAKER_02: and it's like,
28:14
SPEAKER_02: okay,
28:15
SPEAKER_02: they're not checked out.
28:16
They're just in their own mind,
28:18
trying to figure out what do I need to do to get better?
28:22
SPEAKER_02: And for me as the coach, then it's like, I need to shut up right now.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: I need to let them try to navigate this.
28:28
SPEAKER_02: This is problem solving and they're trying to figure it out.
28:31
And then once I feel like they're stuck,
28:33
then all right,
28:34
let's talk about it.
28:35
And I don't necessarily want it to be one sided where I'm
28:38
telling you what to do.
28:40
I want to ask you a question so that so that you're the one
28:44
that's going to have to
28:46
SPEAKER_02: actually think about it and respond.
28:47
And I've found that to be super impactful because I get so many
28:50
players are like,
28:51
SPEAKER_02: I just want to be told what to do.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, that's great.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: That's fine.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: But I don't need you to be a robot.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: I need you to be a basketball player.
28:59
So I'll get kids that are like,
29:00
do you want me to finish at the rim or shoot a pull up?
29:03
SPEAKER_02: And I'll go, yes.
29:04
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, what?
29:07
SPEAKER_02: I said, I don't know.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: Make a decision.
29:11
You got to make a decision and you need to give yourself
29:14
permission to go be
29:15
SPEAKER_02: creative and figure out what's going to work for you.
29:17
And by the way,
29:18
you might get to that spot 10 times in your game tomorrow.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: I have to do 10 different things.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: So figure it out.
29:24
And then that just really gives players like,
29:26
oh,
29:27
okay,
29:27
I can think that way.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Now, this only scratches the surface.
29:31
And I know that there are especially younger coaches who follow
29:36
that they want to
29:38
SPEAKER_01: become great at the basketball training,
29:40
SPEAKER_01: which is great.
29:41
SPEAKER_01: That's how I was when I started out.
29:43
And I think that that's super important because obviously if
29:45
you can't make good
29:46
SPEAKER_01: basketball players,
29:46
SPEAKER_01: you're probably not going to get hired anywhere.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: But
29:49
they don't necessarily know exactly where to start maybe some
29:52
of them are doing
29:53
like you alluded to earlier where it was they're just
29:56
collecting all of these cool
29:57
drills or hearing us talk about small-sided games and then
30:01
throwing together some
30:01
random small-sided games you have put together some tools that
30:06
will kind of guide
30:07
them on their path to becoming better at doing this and really
30:12
helping them develop
30:13
SPEAKER_01: a system to
30:15
make players better can you kind of talk about what that is
30:20
where they can find it
30:22
and maybe some things that even the coaches who are part of
30:26
that community are
30:27
already doing or asking about improving upon in their own
30:34
personal journey to
30:35
SPEAKER_02: becoming better coaches yeah so I would say this
30:40
SPEAKER_02: Mentorship has changed my life.
30:45
If you don't have a mentor or somebody that's older or kind of
30:50
where you want to
30:51
SPEAKER_02: be,
30:53
SPEAKER_02: you need to find somebody.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: Mentorship has changed my life.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm 37 years old.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: My high school coach is still like a mentor,
31:04
SPEAKER_02: like a father figure to me,
31:05
SPEAKER_02: somebody that I can call
31:07
who we can talk about anything from parenting to coaching to
31:12
anything in life.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: Super grateful for that.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: As coaches,
31:16
SPEAKER_02: we're always pouring into other people,
31:19
SPEAKER_02: we need someone that's going to be able to pour into us.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: And so I've been super fortunate that I've been surrounded by my pastor,
31:28
SPEAKER_02: different men that are older than me,
31:30
SPEAKER_02: just different people that can build into my life.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: When I said when I got to
31:34
SPEAKER_02: New York, New Jersey, DJ Sackman just poured into me.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: He taught me the skill stuff.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: He taught me the business.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: He taught me all of these things.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: And then for me, I just tried to be a sponge.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: And so for coaches,
31:48
SPEAKER_02: there's so much content out there that you're like this sponge,
31:52
SPEAKER_02: like I got to get more.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: I got to get more.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: And then you're like, how do I organize this?
31:55
SPEAKER_02: What the heck do I do with all of this content?
31:59
SPEAKER_02: And so I'm really passionate about mentorship.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: We've put together this platform on school.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: And so with Savvy Coaching,
32:10
they have like their coaches platform where they are training
32:14
and mentoring
32:15
SPEAKER_02: coaches.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: They reached out to me and said,
32:17
SPEAKER_02: hey,
32:18
we would love to come together on like a vertical platform that
32:22
is like player
32:23
SPEAKER_02: focused,
32:24
SPEAKER_02: player development focused on the coaches platform.
32:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
32:27
SPEAKER_02: they have some player development stuff,
32:28
SPEAKER_02: but they're focused on like culture,
32:30
SPEAKER_02: goal setting.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: How do we run?
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SPEAKER_02: You know, how do we make adjustments?
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SPEAKER_02: This is our lock left defense, their RDS offense, things like that.
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SPEAKER_02: The platform that I'm running is strictly player development.
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SPEAKER_02: And so it's an awesome tool.
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SPEAKER_02: Like we have our playmaker program on there.
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SPEAKER_02: Like how do we develop players into five level scores?
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SPEAKER_02: We have a 10 week mentorship program to get players in the right mindset.
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SPEAKER_02: Like we just have so many tools.
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on here i'm super excited about it we had a live call last
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night live q a i had
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justin cooper who's one of the best skilled coaches in the
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world on on tuesday
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night where kids are just learning coaches are learning we
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launched it as a player
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community and what we found is there's a ton of coaches on
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there that say hey i'm
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i'm looking for this high quality skill development stuff but i
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need it organized
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SPEAKER_02: And that's, I think, the difference.
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I have so many coaches like,
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man,
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I've been saving your stuff on Twitter for years.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that's great.
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SPEAKER_02: It's random.
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SPEAKER_02: How do we organize this?
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SPEAKER_02: And so we've put that together.
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And so,
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yeah,
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the link to that is school,
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S-K-O-O-L,
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school.com slash catalyst dash basketball.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this has been fun.
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SPEAKER_02: We launched it a little less than two weeks ago.
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SPEAKER_02: We got over 100 people on it.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's been great so far.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm, I'm really excited about it.
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SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
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I'll be sure to link that down below too,
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so that people can check that out.
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SPEAKER_01: And two, I'm sure they're going to have individual questions for you.
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Best place that you would direct them to either reaching out to
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you or just seeing
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SPEAKER_01: some of the things that you've been talking about would be what?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: You can email me.
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It's read at basketball catalyst.com or follow me on social
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media and shoot me a DM.
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SPEAKER_02: My Instagram is at coach OC.
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SPEAKER_02: O-U-S-E at the end.
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SPEAKER_02: And then my Twitter is at Reed OC.
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SPEAKER_02: Shoot me a DM.
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SPEAKER_02: I love engaging with people.
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SPEAKER_02: I love helping grow the game.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I would love to answer questions that you guys have.
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SPEAKER_01: This has been awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you coming on, Reed.
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SPEAKER_01: It's great to finally catch up with you.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure I'll have you back on at some point here.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.