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TWR Monday | A Conversation w/ Corinna Harney- Jones on Playboy, Free Speech and Americana · The Whitfield Report

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  Righty folks, and welcome to the Monday edition of the Whitfield
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  Report. And boy, it has been a jammed
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  pack, you know, week. Lots of stuff going on, but I
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  figured I would kind of take a break from the news cycle and
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  all the great things going on in the world to talk to someone who
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  I've known for a while now. And I've meant to have her on
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  the show. And yes, you heard me right,
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  her. I don't have women on the
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  podcast very much. Not because I don't want to, but
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  because there aren't a lot who you know.
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  I've just crossed my path in the podcasting world, but Karina
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  Harney Jones is my guest today. She is an actress, a producer
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  you've done a lot, and most probably recognizable in my
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  circle. She is a Playmate of the year
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  for I believe 92 and my character.
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  Yes, 1992. It sure ages me before you were
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  born. Isn't that bizarre, Sam?
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  You, you, you still look the same.
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  So thank you anyway. Yeah, well, thanks for coming
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  on. Happy to have you.
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  Well, thank you for having me, Sam.
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  I'm I'm so happy that I can finally talk to you on your
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  podcast. Thanks.
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  It's it's been a while long time in making and I apologize for
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  any delays on my end, but I'm glad we're here finally.
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  So before we dive into specific topics, just give us a general
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  overview. Who are you, you know, What's
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  your general, I guess story? Well, I mean, I, you know, that
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  probably the special interest and how you were even interested
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  in having me on the podcast is that I posed for Playboy in 1991
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  when I was only 18 years old, just turning 19 and worked for
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  Playboy for many years, first as a centerfold again, Miss August
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  1990. And then I went on to win
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  Playmate of the Year in 1992 and did my whole tour and, and it
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  was pretty incredible working for Playboy and Hugh Hefner.
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  And, and then I also, you know, when I was backing up because
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  it's really funny that I ever posed for Playboy because it was
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  not anything anyone would have pictured for my life, especially
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  if you knew me when I was a little girl.
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  And even as a teen. It, it just was not in my
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  nature, wasn't in my, I mean, it wasn't, I was very shy, very
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  modest. And then I, I, I love acting.
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  I love entertaining. I did my first commercial in the
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  4th grade with Dick Van Patten for for Blue Cross Blue Shield.
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  Yes, and if many people don't know who that is, especially at
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  your age, but you're you're a very intelligent person.
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  That seems to be I you amaze me, Sam that that you probably know
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  these old TV shows, but he was you have one of Hefner's best
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  friends. So it was kind of funny that I
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  came full circle and then would see him on movie night at the
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  mansion and and became friends with his son.
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  You know, he had a few sons that were in the business and they
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  all lived in Beverly Hills and they were all family friends and
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  with Hef. And so it's funny that I did my
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  first commercial and then here I here I am, you know, at the
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  Playboy Mansion and there's Dick Van Patten, but that I did my
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  first commercial with so. That is wild.
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  Well, I suppose I should back up for the audience because it's
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  been a while since I've discussed this specific topic on
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  the show, but this guy and fill the audience in and you know,
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  fill you in. Even though we've talked off
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  air, I'm very pro free speech, very pro First Amendment and
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  very anti cancel culture across the board.
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  And so I found it weird. Hugh Hefner passed, I think in
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  2017. And obviously he was a cultural
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  icon, controversial, you know, or not.
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  We can get into some of that a bit lighter, but there wasn't
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  really any, you know, he passed and things kind of, you know,
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  you didn't really hear about him.
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  And and then a year or two there were there was this documentary
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  that came out and I used the term documentary very lightly in
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  Eric quotes that was basically a hit piece trying to compare him
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  to Harvey Weinstein and in my opinion, demonizing him.
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  And what I found interesting was when I found your podcast, The
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  Bunny Chronicles podcast, it became pretty apparent to me
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  that from what I've heard, that documentary series interviewed a
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  lot of Playmates, but only selectively picked up certain
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  narratives to go on with their agenda.
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  And look, I realized that not everyone in my audience likes
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  Playboy or likes Hugh Hefner. You may have your opinions on
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  him, and that's fine. My opinions have actually
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  changed on Half over the years as I've actually learned about
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  him. But I think cancer culture is
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  dangerous, especially when you're canceling someone who has
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  passed and who can no longer defend themselves in the public
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  eye. And you did know Half, I don't
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  know how well, but I wanted to have you on to ask you a couple
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  questions about what your experience with HEF was like and
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  what your experience with Playboy was like in general.
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  And then you know what your life has been like since working with
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  Playboy and what the brand means to you so.
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  Well, there's a lot to unpack right there.
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  I agree with you that cancel culture is very dangerous in
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  America, where we're supposed to function under a very wonderful
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  Constitution. And one of those things is our
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  First Amendment, as you mentioned.
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  And love HEF or hate HEF, which there were a lot of people and
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  believe it or not, very liberal people that attacked Hugh Hefner
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  throughout the years. But you know, it always amazes
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  me just thinking of what he built that only could have been
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  built in America in the time in which we live an empire.
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  And he was, gosh, there were a few things you said there that I
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  have to kind of go back to. So the documentary that you
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  mentioned that it was a smear campaign of HEF.
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  There are things that are very dangerous happening in America
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  at lightspeed right now. And one of those things, oddly
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  enough, has us here talking about Hugh Hefner, who was an
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  icon really, who maybe wasn't morally something that you would
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  agree with. I even struggled with a few
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  things that maybe as a Christian, I, I, I don't
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  condone, you know, I, I like one man, one woman and that gets you
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  in trouble now and, and you can't even say those things.
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  But and I think later in life half even realized because at
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  the beginning of his life, he was a very monogamous person.
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  He was in love and jilted. And I think after that, he kind
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  of went on this quest and, and as a, a man in the, in America,
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  you know, he, he really tapped into it was a men's magazine,
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  you know, and there's something else that that's so, you know,
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  out of touch right now for, for most a men's magazine, you know,
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  but he knew what men liked. And, and the whole girl next
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  door concept was something that it was, it was like art.
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  And, and you go back to the Roman Empire, you go back in
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  time, all throughout history, all ages and people celebrated
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  the beauty of women. And there were they were in
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  paintings they and it wasn't pornography.
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  Now, Heff used to get into that argument a lot.
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  And that's a whole other subject that you could go down a crazy
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  Rd. with that. But at the end of the day, for
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  me to have posed for the magazine, I thought of it as
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  art. My mom who encouraged me to
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  pose, she's the one that told me, you know it, it's not
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  Penthouse, you're not being vulgar.
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  It's very beautiful and it's something that I, you know, that
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  said the magazine itself, you know, aside from the beautiful
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  women that were in the magazine, it, it had some of the most
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  prolific writers and it was very objective, something that we
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  don't have today. There, there were real honest
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  objective. And there's a word that people
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  don't function by objectivity anymore.
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  It was real, honest, objective journalism.
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  They would really sit down with the real human being, no matter
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  if it was a political figure, if it was a pop culture figure.
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  You know, I'm sure you've read the magazine.
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  It, it was the Q&A's were very thorough.
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  They were very honest. They were very it, it, it let
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  the reader form an opinion and, and you formed your own opinion.
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  And that's what a good journalist does.
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  And and we don't have that anymore.
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  And, and back to what you said about them trying to cancel have
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  what we have is a lot of malcontent human beings in
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  America. And, and I'm sure you know all
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  this just reading your book, Sam, a great nation, a free
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  nation rises and falls in cycles.
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  And I think we happen to be in the downtrend of going back into
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  slavery. And I'm sure you know the cycles
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  of going from being in slavery and then fighting for spiritual
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  freedom. People actually seek God because
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  they're that helpless and hopeless, because you have a
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  tyrannical government over you or a dictator over you, or
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  because when you get few people in power that are malcontents
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  and they're godless malcontents. I can't believe I'm saying this
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  stuff, but I it's true. You, you end up with the few
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  tating to others what they're, what they think is virtuous.
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  And, and, but the point I'm getting at is you also get
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  journalists that are being paid for certain powers and all of
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  these things. And I think there's movements
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  that start to happen with malcontents and whether it's
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  and, and they mean well, it's like me too, hashtag me too.
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  There are very real victims of real crimes, of horrible people.
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  And you brought up Harvey Weinstein there.
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  Were you? I told you there was a lot to
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  unpack here and I'm don't mean to jump around, but you.
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  Everyone you said I have. So much in.
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  Here OK, so so Harvey Weinstein, yes, he committed very real
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  atrocious crimes and he was a creep.
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  He was a real creep and I know this first hand and I don't
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  gossip. I don't like gossip and I don't
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  bring up. I wouldn't even say anything
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  about Harvey Weinstein if I didn't know and trust this
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  playmate. I cannot disclose her name
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  because it's her story. She hasn't come out with her
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  story yet. She's sort of alluded to it.
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  She may have by now, but I'm not going to mention her name.
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  But she's a playmate who was assaulted by Harvey Weinstein.
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  She wanted to be an actress. She, you know, had these dreams
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  and she had posed for Playboy and all these doors were opening
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  and she got to go meet with Harvey Weinstein.
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  And I mean, he gave power in Hollywood.
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  And she went and met with him and, and he did all the things
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  that you've heard a lot of stories about to her.
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  And she actually went to Hugh Hefner.
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  And she was, I mean, it was horrible what she went through
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  and she was terrified and she went to Hef.
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  She told him what happened and Hugh Hefner there are FBI files
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  too that are awesome. And even though Hugh Hefner may
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  have been AI don't even want to call him a philanderer.
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  Let's just say he loved women and he had a lot of women and
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  that was his pariah but he was not a womanizer.
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  If there is a difference and and people don't understand that
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  like everything has to be black and white and hashtag me too.
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  But there is no evidence from anyone that Hugh Hefner did
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  anything like sexual assault or I mean, let's be real that he
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  had women all over him, you know, and it wasn't my company
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  that way. But he he did and he didn't do
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  those things. He wasn't creepy.
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  He was actually a gentleman by all accounts.
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  And he actually put his empire on the line for this person and
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  went and got the FBI involved and could have, it could have
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  been countersuing, it could have gone public, all of these
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  things. And he was very good at, you
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  know, keeping things under wraps.
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  She didn't want anyone to know. It was that can be very
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  mortifying for for a young woman to experience something like
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  that. And she was traumatized.
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  And Hugh Hefner got her all the help he could possibly get her
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  and even went after, from what I understand, I don't know how he
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  went after Weinstein, but in his own, you know, back channel way,
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  he tried to get him to be held accountable for what he did.
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  And you know, those are things that are in you don't compare
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  apples to oranges. And and I never thought I'd talk
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  about Playboy again. It's something that I had put,
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  you know, in the back of my memories and I didn't know that
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  it was ever going to come up again.
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  And now with cancel culture, I am happy to speak out and stick
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  up for someone who, as you said, has since passed away and cannot
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  defend himself. And I think that it's horrible
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  that it's it's called iconoclastic arrogance.
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  And like I said, few people are icons.
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  And when you have an icon, you have people that want to tear
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  that icon down when they're not happy with themselves and
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  they've never contributed anything.
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  If you really look at anyone that runs their mouth about Hugh
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  Hefner, if you really look into them and their character and how
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  they became who they are, most of them wouldn't be a piss in
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  the wind without Hugh Hefner, even his girlfriends.
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  They wouldn't be they, they wouldn't be relevant.
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  They wouldn't be making the money that they're making.
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  They wouldn't be a spot on the map.
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  They've never contributed anything good to society except
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  for through Hefner. So I find that fascinating that
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  they're trying to cancel someone and bite the hand that fed them.
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  And it, it blows my mind that that people, you know, to be
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  relevant, they, they tear down their icon to put themselves in
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  that icon's place, but they can never do it.
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  It's like you can't. There was one Hugh Hefner and I,
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  I don't know if I, I, you know, went in circles there, but but
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  that's, those are the thoughts I have on that.
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  Listen, I, I'm, I'm happy to, you know, just let you speak off
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  the cough and whatnot. That's kind of what we do here
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  on the show. You know, from my perspective,
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  my grandfather had a subscription to Playboy going
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  back to the 60s and my uncle had a subscription in the early to
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  mid 80s. Even my mother at one point I
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  found out had a subscription because she brought up and I
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  don't even know how this conversation got started, but I
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  was out to dinner with her once and she brought something up.
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  I think about, oh, not Ralph Nader, but Jerry Springer.
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  And I can't remember what the conversation regarding Jerry
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  Springer was, but she cited this interview and said, and then I
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  asked her where she read it and she said Playboy magazine.
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  And me being a teenager at the time, I was like, you're joking,
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  right? And she goes, no.
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  Well, because the perception among most people my age and
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  younger, and I think even most adults is the perception of
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  Playboy is it's just hot blondes and boobs and asses and that's
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  all it is. And that might be, there was
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  maybe the highlights, but the magazine is a lot more in depth
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  than that, like you said, with the interviews and with the
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  journalism and whatnot. And so that was very fascinating
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  to find out that she had a subscription for, for the
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  interviews and whatnot. And also the other women read
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  the magazine. And at one point, I think
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  circulation was like 50 million. And even that statistic could be
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  outdated. But point being, Playboy was
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  part of society. You know, it it like it was a
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  major brand for close to 70 years.
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  You mentioned my book series and Ian Fleming, who wrote James
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  Bond. Not many people know this, but
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  he actually published the first few Bond short stories.
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  In Playboy, and that's how it got developed into a movie.
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  And from what I've heard, I can't confirm this, but the
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  archetype of the Bond girl was based off of the idea of the
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  Playboy Playmate, a strong, beautiful, competent woman,
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  which I can definitely see the parallels there.
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  So I don't necessarily buy this whole notion that you can reduce
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  Playboy to it's just a men's work off magazine because it's
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  way more than that. And I think to classify as that,
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  as some have tried not only denigrates half, also denigrates
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  the women who were part of the magazine.
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  So that's just my whole spiel. I think so too.
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  No, I agree. And and that's what's hurtful to
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  a lot of us that are kind of speaking out against some of
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  these shows that are are coming out that have this it, it's an
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  it is a narrative and they have spun things and and they don't
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  get facts and they didn't know the people and it.
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  I mean, there are so many loopholes and lies that I can't
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  even take it seriously. But yeah, there's no way that
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  there could have been a, a magazine for this many years,
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  for that many years. The, the amount of years that
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  you, it's mind blowing. And it was a whole culture.
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  I mean, you even had some incredible artists, cartoonists,
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  political figures on both sides of the aisle.
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  I mean, it goes on and on and on.
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  I think a lot of people used Playboy for information when
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  they were working on things in college.
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  And I mean, yeah, it, I think everybody has Playboy is part of
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  it was part of pop culture in America.
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  Yeah. That's so funny.
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  Your mom, you know, to your my grandma, whenever I was going to
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  pose for the magazine, I didn't even know what my grandma knew
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  what it was and and she wasn't going to pose for the magazine
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  because I was concerned about my grandma.
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  I was very close to my grandma and I didn't want, you know, to
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  shame her or I so if she said no, I wasn't going to do it.
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  She goes, your grandpa's had those in the basement for years
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  and she said it's I think those women are beautiful.
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  She said if you if you pose for the magazine, then I'm proud of
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  you and you've made the right decision.
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  So she didn't even say that that that was like my door, you know.
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  So, yeah, it's it's it's an interesting, interesting.
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  Yeah. I think he's, I think Hef is a
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  case study that that could help help people politically and
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  everything just because he wasn't a political figure, he
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  wasn't a, you know, but he was a gentleman who would sit down in
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  a room of, of these legendary human beings.
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  It he was about privacy, believe it or not, and, and there were
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  people that didn't want anyone to know they were hanging out at
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  the Playboy Mansion and, and he would protect their privacy.
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  He was all about privacy. He was all about, you know, but
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  not criminality. He loved America.
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  That's another thing people, I think I wish more people knew
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  he, he had, you know, the we would write to the troops during
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  the Gulf War. I was part of that and it was
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  awesome. And so you would encourage the
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  troops. He was very old school when it
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  came to our military, loved and supported our military.
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  He was open to things and it was an open dialogue, which is what
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  freedom is, an exchange of ideas.
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  And that's the only way that you can become a better society is
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  with an exchange of ideas. So his fundamentals, even in his
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  business that became an empire, there was there was honor.
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  You know, there's things that people tell me.
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  Gosh, I can't believe you say this as a Christian.
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  And I'm like it. It's true.
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  I'm not. I mean, I was just studying the
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  other day because I study the Bible and I'm fascinated by it.
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  Solomon, King Solomon. And this pastor set a very
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  interesting point and he goes back to the Greek and the Hebrew
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  and the Aramaic and really breaks down Scripture.
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  It's not like, you know, a feel good church.
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  It's really Bible study. And he said something about King
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  Solomon that reminded me of Hugh Hefner.
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  He said, you know, Solomon in his dying days will tell you
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  those women didn't make him happy.
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  None of the things he had made him happy.
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  He was the richest man on on the earth at one point with
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  hundreds, maybe thousands of concubines.
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  And that didn't make him happy. But he wasn't cruel to women.
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  He didn't rape women. He didn't hurt women.
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  He gave them wonderful gifts. He was extravagant and, and you
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  know, very generous, very, you know, you can have virtues and
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  then be a be a whatever you would call a maybe even it.
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  It doesn't take away your good qualities.
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  Even if the women that loved him so much and wanted him to be
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  monogamous and were hurt by it, they knew what they were getting
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  into. That was his lifestyle that he
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  created and invented. And you know, that's his
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  business. That was privacy.
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  The funny thing is a lot of things that came out later would
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  have never come out because he didn't kiss and tell.
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  And that's I think how Solomon of the, you know, there is a
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  comparison there there. There just is with between
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  Solomon and Hugh Hefner, because I think all of us are kind of a
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  biblical character that you can. I think all of us are kind of a
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  reflection of that is why God shares these Bible stories.
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  But you know it, it cracks me up that people want to paint him as
• 26:24
  this. He wasn't perfect.
• 26:26
  He, you know, God reprimanded me in work or whatever.
• 26:31
  That's not a, that's not even a character flaw.
• 26:35
  You know what I mean? It's like people are so
• 26:37
  different nowadays. And, and I think we could learn
• 26:41
  a lot from Hugh Hefner. I just, I do.
• 26:43
  He was, he knew how to run a tight ship.
• 26:46
  He knew how to, and he was so thoughtful.
• 26:48
  He had hundreds of people that he cared about, that he took
• 26:52
  care of and made sure that their well-being, you know, even those
• 26:57
  that worked for him, worked for him for 50 plus years.
• 27:00
  You can't say that about a lot of people.
• 27:03
  And I'm sorry, but if you were a criminal or you were a really
• 27:07
  seedy, shady person, you wouldn't have loyalty.
• 27:10
  You like that and you wouldn't have loyalty to that person for
• 27:14
  50 years. And don't tell me that one
• 27:17
  jilted woman has the, you know, can tell you what his character
• 27:21
  is. I, I don't believe it.
• 27:24
  You know, even if you saw a different side of him, I think
• 27:26
  you may be exaggerating. He's not perfect, but it's a
• 27:30
  reflection of you when you gossip.
• 27:33
  It's a reflection of you when you kiss and tell.
• 27:36
  You know, I I it doesn't matter what what you know, morality or
• 27:43
  or not. And this is again, I keep
• 27:45
  mentioning that I'm a Christian, but even as a Christian, your
• 27:48
  morality is none of my damn business, right?
• 27:51
  I don't judge you. Yeah, You know what I mean?
• 27:54
  Like, I I wouldn't have known what you did in the bedroom with
• 27:58
  Hugh Hefner unless you tell me what you did in the bedroom with
• 28:02
  Hugh Hefner. To me, that's a reflection of
• 28:04
  you, not him. Do you know what I mean?
• 28:07
  And I've seen a few women be like, well, there was all of us
• 28:10
  in the bedroom and blah, blah, blah.
• 28:13
  You know what? That would have been bad for his
• 28:15
  magazine. That's how classy his magazine
• 28:17
  was until the very end when his eyesight faded and other people
• 28:21
  started stepping in. If that makes sense it otherwise
• 28:25
  you know. Yeah, that that was like I
• 28:29
  turned 18 like right around the time that the magazine really
• 28:33
  like started to go out down and it was like.
• 28:39
  Yeah, I think his eyesight wasn't as good.
• 28:41
  I'm just being honest, 'cause he had really, you know, all women
• 28:46
  are different. I think that beauty's different
• 28:48
  for everyone. But he had a, a way of seeing
• 28:52
  'cause he would really thoroughly pick the Playmates
• 28:56
  and the girl next door. And that was his idea.
• 28:59
  And those things, you know, it, there are trends in history.
• 29:04
  And if you go back it in the 50s when he first started the
• 29:09
  magazine it, you know, there were ideas that was a majority
• 29:13
  of men that thought was attractive or they could pick
• 29:16
  one that they thought was attractive.
• 29:17
  It's just kind of funny. The whole idea of it is really
• 29:20
  funny anyway. Well, well, the idea of of the
• 29:26
  pin up girl goes back to World War Two.
• 29:30
  It's not something new have facted it, one might argue, but
• 29:39
  it wasn't his I, you know, necessarily idea initially.
• 29:45
  And I mean I've it's funny you you mentioned, you know, writing
• 29:50
  to the troops and whatnot. One of my neighbors who served
• 29:55
  in Vietnam, the day after Hugh Hefner died, he showed me he had
• 30:03
  a he still had his copy of Playboy from December of 68,
• 30:11
  which was Cynthia Myers issue and she was an icon of the
• 30:19
  Vietnam War. And obviously I can't show the
• 30:25
  images, you know, on Spotify or YouTube, but the audience is
• 30:29
  crafty enough to look it up if they're so, you know, inclined
• 30:33
  to. But you.
• 30:35
  Know that Hef hef. Yeah, I don't mean to cut you
• 30:38
  off, but I, I, I, I if you'll continue with that thought, but
• 30:43
  just just you may have already know this, but Hef and he never
• 30:48
  bragged about what he did. So he but he sent Playmates on
• 30:52
  his Playboy. He had a jet, the Playboy jet
• 30:56
  with the big Bunny head. And he flew into Vietnam and
• 30:59
  they saved a bunch of they took a bunch of Vietnamese orphans
• 31:05
  and and cared for those orphans and brought them back to
• 31:08
  America. You know that we're victims of
• 31:11
  of the war at that horrible, cautious, one of the worst.
• 31:15
  I still think that's one of the most horrible wars, but go on.
• 31:19
  I I didn't mean to. Yeah.
• 31:21
  No, I I agree, I agree with you. And it's funny because like I
• 31:26
  am, I wouldn't really say I'm conservative.
• 31:29
  I'm more conservative libertarian, but I'm also kind
• 31:33
  of anti war. I'm also kind of an anti war
• 31:37
  conservative now, which is weird because that used to be
• 31:40
  considered a liberal value and now things have kind of flipped
• 31:47
  flopped. Funny how that works.
• 31:50
  But anyway, you know, as I was saying with my with my, you
• 31:55
  know, neighbor, he was saying that, you know, he grew up in,
• 32:01
  you know, a smaller town where there weren't a lot of no women.
• 32:07
  So, you know, when he when he shipped off to Vietnam, I think
• 32:11
  at 18, and then a lot of the Vietnam vets and troops got
• 32:17
  complimentary Playboy subscription and he was one of
• 32:21
  them. And so seeing her and seeing her
• 32:24
  as an icon of the Vietnam War really meant a lot to him and
• 32:29
  all of the Vietnam vets. And, you know, same is true for
• 32:34
  veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Gulf War and whatnot.
• 32:39
  So again. I just have a real.
• 32:42
  Problem with like, you know, there is me too and there is the
• 32:46
  Harvey Weinstein stuff and I think it's great that all that
• 32:50
  got exposed. But what has happened now is a
• 32:58
  lot of these activist types have taken me to, and they've
• 33:04
  conflated, you know, guy who has ever looked at, you know, an
• 33:09
  attractive woman. And they've tried to put us all
• 33:12
  in the same boat with the Harvey Weinstein's and the Bill Cosby's
• 33:16
  of the world. And then they wonder why there's
• 33:20
  such a backlash. And I mean, I'm, I'm sorry, but
• 33:24
  if you know, I don't consider myself a misogynist at all.
• 33:30
  You know, I thought misogynist hate women and you know, half of
• 33:35
  the ladies and obviously either too.
• 33:39
  My audience always give me a bit of a trap for that.
• 33:42
  But you know, that is what it is.
• 33:45
  So I just, I find this whole idea of misogyny and what not to
• 33:52
  be a bit conflated nowadays. I agree.
• 33:58
  I agree, you know, and we should have the freedom.
• 34:02
  And here's the difference. If someone is into their
• 34:04
  pronouns and into their, you know, sexual gender identity
• 34:10
  issues and all of the things that they bring up now, you
• 34:15
  know, to each his own privacy, right?
• 34:17
  I don't, I don't don't convert my thinking.
• 34:21
  I've never had that thinking before.
• 34:23
  I think a majority of us never even heard of what's going on
• 34:26
  nowadays. But I, I love masculinity and
• 34:31
  femininity and we should never be ashamed of that.
• 34:34
  We should never be ashamed that a man's attracted to a woman or
• 34:38
  that, you know, a man feels that there are certain gender, you
• 34:43
  know, that there are gender roles.
• 34:45
  You can't abolish that because somebody doesn't like it.
• 34:49
  That's not freedom. It's it's freedom when we can
• 34:54
  individually think about what we wanna think about.
• 34:57
  It's you know, you just mentioned you, you're anti war.
• 35:01
  Well, none of us wants war if you unless you're a psycho, I
• 35:05
  think. But I also believe that freedom
• 35:09
  comes through military victory. Sadly, there are evil people
• 35:12
  that exist, right? You know, you go back if if
• 35:16
  there's there's a book called Man in the High Castle.
• 35:19
  That's an excellent perspective and I love perspectives.
• 35:23
  And I think every young person person should read that book.
• 35:27
  I think it was in the late 60s that it was written or early
• 35:30
  60s, but they adapted it to the screen, which I think you should
• 35:34
  do with all your books. And I want to tell you the
• 35:36
  actors that should play them. Just kidding, but not.
• 35:40
  I bet I. Bet.
• 35:41
  Do it. OK, yeah, we'll have to talk
• 35:46
  about that. But the Man in the High Castle,
• 35:50
  they made ATV series, I think it was on Amazon and I watched it
• 35:53
  for I I binge watched it. But it's a perspective and it's
• 35:57
  as if Japan and Germany because remember in World War Two, we
• 36:02
  were in a real war on two fronts defending America.
• 36:07
  You know, Japan really wanted our demise.
• 36:10
  And and sadly, as horrible as that atomic bomb was that did
• 36:15
  that was game over. You know, all of those things
• 36:18
  are horrific. They really war is horrific.
• 36:22
  But had we not, had not good men and women stepped up at all
• 36:28
  costs to defend. And it gives me goosebumps
• 36:31
  because I think because of World War Two, we've had freedoms that
• 36:35
  are here today, but they're being lost had we not won the
• 36:39
  war. And that's what the man in the
• 36:41
  High Castle is a perspective. It's as if Japan, you know, that
• 36:45
  the whole Japan and Germany had won the war and they were each
• 36:52
  occupying in the United States. And it shows how awful with the
• 36:57
  ideology, obviously, of, of Hitler and just how evil Nazism
• 37:05
  was and the Nazis and they controlled and they were allies
• 37:09
  with Japan. So it's so bizarre to watch.
• 37:12
  But what it did for me, it made me think every, every American
• 37:17
  should watch it and appreciate what we have today.
• 37:20
  Because had they won, that's exactly what it would have.
• 37:24
  It's, it would have been very much like that, probably worse,
• 37:29
  probably worse. And I'm, I'm like, my gosh, I'm
• 37:33
  so grateful for what we've had. But then now we have, you know,
• 37:39
  if you have any history background, which I know you do,
• 37:44
  you understand that, you know, what was this name that said we
• 37:49
  learned from history, that we learned nothing from history?
• 37:54
  But you go back to history. Socialism has never worked.
• 37:58
  It brings starvation and horrible people begging for
• 38:02
  bread. It's horrible when you try to
• 38:04
  give everybody equal amounts or, you know, and when few people
• 38:09
  are in power and there's not a system of checks and balances
• 38:13
  like we used to have. And I think that's got to come
• 38:16
  back. We're in trouble.
• 38:17
  But socialism has never worked. Communism has never worked, but
• 38:22
  you have people that really believe that it does and Marxism
• 38:26
  and, and we have that at the helm right now.
• 38:28
  And I don't, I, I, I wish people would learn more about that.
• 38:32
  And I think kind of man in the High Castle kind of shows you
• 38:35
  that anyway. There.
• 38:38
  Well, it's interesting that you bring up the whole thing with
• 38:41
  socialism and communism because there's a very interesting
• 38:45
  series. It's it's been over probably for
• 38:51
  I think close to a decade now, but there was a series called
• 38:56
  The Americans about a Soviet couple that, you know, they're
• 39:02
  spies and they pose as U.S. citizens.
• 39:06
  It takes place during the 80s and they basically, you know, at
• 39:14
  first they try to subvert America and then.
• 39:18
  They. Eventually come to find out that
• 39:22
  hey, they actually like living in America and.
• 39:25
  In freedom. You know, Reagan might not be
• 39:29
  perfect, but he's better than, you know, the Communist Party
• 39:36
  and behind the it's, it's very, it's a very interesting series,
• 39:43
  you know, especially to hear, you know, things from the
• 39:47
  Russian point of view. And the guy who wrote it, I
• 39:50
  think was he worked at the CI desk in Berlin for a number of
• 39:59
  years during the Cold War. So, you know, that's an that's
• 40:05
  another varianting theories. But by getting back to your
• 40:10
  career, I I have to ask and I hope I'm wording this.
• 40:17
  Appropriately, but I've noticed, well, you've also had a pretty
• 40:24
  abstained home career as well, which kudos to you.
• 40:32
  But I I do have to wonder because you seem very private
• 40:36
  and you don't seem too enthralled with a celebrity
• 40:41
  culture at all just based off of my observations, even though
• 40:48
  you're you yourself could be considered a celebrity.
• 40:53
  So I have to ask, why have you chosen to go the route of being,
• 41:00
  I guess an independent actress and, you know, take small roles
• 41:03
  and live more of a private life as opposed to possibly being
• 41:09
  more of an A Lister? Because I'm, I'm assuming you
• 41:11
  had some opportunities and I'm just curious if being a
• 41:18
  celebrity was one of your goals or if you constantly chose to, I
• 41:27
  guess take a step back. So.
• 41:31
  I think the latter. I think you hit the nail on the
• 41:34
  head. I chose to step back.
• 41:38
  I was very young when I, again, Playboy for me started opening
• 41:44
  doors and I was, I hate to use the word fearful, but maybe I
• 41:52
  was, I was a baby and I saw things, but I wasn't naive in
• 41:58
  the sense that I could pick up on what was phony and what was
• 42:01
  real and solid. And, and I, my mom always says
• 42:06
  she ran from Hollywood and I kind of did because I was there
• 42:10
  and I didn't, I also didn't have the tools then that I have now
• 42:15
  where I just didn't have a goal. Like you just said, I didn't
• 42:21
  have celebrity in my sights. I wasn't like Hollywood.
• 42:24
  I'm going to go be a star. I sort of by default.
• 42:27
  And I blame it on my friend Drew Johnson, who directed a film, my
• 42:32
  first producing effort. Actually, I it was called the
• 42:36
  Road home and they retitled and repackaged it and called it
• 42:41
  pitcher like baseball pitcher and the pin up.
• 42:44
  And it's it's a heart warming, sweet love story.
• 42:47
  I'm very proud of it because of how, you know, we were kids
• 42:52
  making a movie in our 20s. That said that taught me a lot
• 42:57
  about Hollywood and people and the echelon and the whole thing.
• 43:02
  But he also made me love where I just, I never understood the
• 43:09
  craft of acting. I never, I, I, I was an
• 43:13
  entertainer from the time I'm a kid.
• 43:15
  It's just innate. We're all made differently,
• 43:17
  right? We're all different human
• 43:19
  beings. Some of us use our intellect.
• 43:21
  You're a writer. You know, people have different
• 43:24
  outlets. Some people are more physical
• 43:26
  than others. Some people are more mental than
• 43:28
  others. You know, all of our different
• 43:31
  makeup and for me, I was always head in the clouds as a kid.
• 43:35
  I'm also a writer. I write poetry and, and I've
• 43:38
  always had have that creative outlet.
• 43:41
  I used to love to do, you know, anything creative and and I was
• 43:46
  always in dance recitals, all of these types of things.
• 43:50
  And but I never understood, you know, when I saw Deborah Winger,
• 43:55
  an officer and a gentleman, when I Shelley Winters, who
• 44:00
  encouraged me from to want to be an actress.
• 44:02
  Believe it or not, when I first saw Shelley Winters in Pete's
• 44:05
  Dragon and she has no, you know, her teeth are missing and she's.
• 44:10
  Pretty, pretty, pretty. And I thought, I want to do that
• 44:15
  when I was a little girl, but I never knew how to get there.
• 44:18
  I didn't realize there was acting classes.
• 44:20
  I didn't realize there was how to, you know, come up with a
• 44:24
  character. I would do it innately, you
• 44:26
  know, just because I love doing it.
• 44:28
  But Drew went to film school and I always wanted, and he's one of
• 44:33
  my best friends. And I always, he would put me in
• 44:36
  his short films. He works at Paramount now and
• 44:39
  does a lot of editing for Paramount Pictures.
• 44:43
  But so he wrote a a a film and it would win awards and go to
• 44:50
  the directors Guild and he would put me in all of his films and I
• 44:56
  enjoyed it. But I never I even then as I was
• 44:59
  learning and then realizing, oh, I better learn the craft of
• 45:02
  acting. And then, you know, I think I
• 45:05
  got my first role when I was pregnant with my daughter.
• 45:08
  That made me SAG eligible Screen Actors Guild.
• 45:13
  This, you know, you have to join the union to be in, you know,
• 45:17
  anyway, so I, I had one line or not.
• 45:21
  No, it wasn't one line. It was a few lines with Rick
• 45:24
  Springfield in a show called High Tide.
• 45:27
  And I'd just given birth. I was still breastfeeding.
• 45:30
  My husband brought my daughter to my trailer and I, you know,
• 45:32
  I'm like, Oh my gosh, here I am with a baby and playing a
• 45:38
  teenage motel clerk and I fell in love with being on set and
• 45:44
  but I, I had a family. So I've always kind of been
• 45:48
  sidetracked and not narrow minded to get anywhere.
• 45:53
  It was okay, somebody called me and wanted me to do this.
• 45:57
  Okay, somebody called me and wanted me to do this.
• 46:00
  And then it's just always found me Sam, because I love it and
• 46:06
  Hollywood has never loved me back.
• 46:08
  And that's OK. I'm fine with it as long as I
• 46:10
  can do things that I love and I enjoy.
• 46:13
  I'll always work very, very hard.
• 46:15
  I'm a team player. But you know, if, if I want to
• 46:19
  be funny, but who knows, it could be true.
• 46:23
  I may have already been cancelled.
• 46:25
  You know, I, I cancelled. But it's fun that, that some
• 46:29
  people, you know, want me to play with them and I'll play
• 46:32
  with them because it's fun. And, and I but my heart, I would
• 46:37
  love to make more movies into my old age.
• 46:39
  I would love to start directing. I have a few projects in the
• 46:42
  works that I'm hoping to get funded because I love it.
• 46:47
  And there are a lot of independent film makers and then
• 46:49
  people even leaving Hollywood and some big names right now
• 46:52
  that are leaving Hollywood because it's no fun anymore.
• 46:57
  It's not entertaining when it's an agenda.
• 47:00
  It's not entertaining when it's part of it's not fun anymore.
• 47:06
  When you're pushing a narrative. It's it's not characters that
• 47:10
  you want to identify with and feel for and love.
• 47:13
  There's no love anymore. I'm just being honest.
• 47:16
  I watch movies, some of these new movies or even some of the
• 47:20
  animated films, and I'm like, they are pushing, they're just
• 47:25
  pushing a narrative. And instead of can I just enjoy
• 47:29
  things? And it's not funny anymore.
• 47:33
  It's not. No one has a sense of humor
• 47:35
  anymore. We can't laugh at ourselves
• 47:37
  anymore. I mean, there's a lot of great
• 47:40
  art, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of money behind
• 47:46
  something I I don't feel like is good for our country or good for
• 47:51
  people. Yeah, you know that are hurting
• 47:54
  people anyway, so maybe I'm cancelled.
• 47:59
  But thank you. Thank you for saying I have a
• 48:01
  good career, somebody that, you know, maybe someday I'll make a
• 48:06
  living at it. Hey, it's, you know, it's, it's
• 48:10
  better than it's, you know, a lot of people do and you know,
• 48:16
  I, I know. A lot of people.
• 48:21
  Well, well, you certainly have that, you know, you seem to have
• 48:24
  the attitude which, you know, I is something I admire about you
• 48:29
  and that I've and I picked up on right away, even before I met
• 48:33
  you, that you just seem to have this attitude that is very like,
• 48:39
  I don't, you know, I'm not going to draw names, but I've met, you
• 48:44
  know, people who are aspiring actors or actresses and they
• 48:49
  seem to think that, you know, they're entitled to a role or
• 48:57
  that, you know, they're they're God's gift to, you know, women
• 49:03
  or men in some cases. What happened?
• 49:07
  And it's like, well, there might be some tell, I'm not denying
• 49:13
  that, but there's a lot more ego than anything.
• 49:17
  And I. Oh, no doubt about it.
• 49:20
  Hollywood is, is probably filled with narcissists and people with
• 49:26
  mental illness that I mean, you could go on and on.
• 49:28
  I don't mean to, you know, ever tear anyone down because it is
• 49:32
  an art form and it's very selfless.
• 49:34
  I mean, there are a lot of very selfless actors that do a
• 49:37
  phenomenal job. But yes, the, the entitlement,
• 49:41
  the sense of entitlement, the believing, I always say you
• 49:43
  believe it. I mean, I was engaged to a very
• 49:45
  famous person at one point and, and before I met my husband and
• 49:50
  I remember looking at him one day and going, he believes it.
• 49:55
  And then there's an arrogance and I, I think because of the
• 49:58
  way I was raised and my mom always teaching me, you know,
• 50:03
  and it's the opposite today. Everybody's like, you know,
• 50:06
  which you should be confident. There's confident there.
• 50:09
  You can be confident and not arrogant.
• 50:11
  You can be confident in your skills.
• 50:13
  And but arrogance is when you're, you really put yourself
• 50:17
  above people. And I think that's ugly.
• 50:19
  And my mom used to, you know, never let another man praise
• 50:22
  you, not from your own lips. You, I mean, never praise you,
• 50:26
  let another man praise you not from your own mouth.
• 50:29
  And my mom used to think, you know, she always taught me and,
• 50:32
  and we used to learn this growing up, even in elementary
• 50:35
  school for me, I remember girls would say, Oh my gosh, she
• 50:38
  thinks she's so hot. And, and it was ugly when you
• 50:42
  thought you were beautiful or if you really believed you were.
• 50:46
  So it was instilled from me. I remember my meemaw when I was
• 50:49
  little because me and my brother and my sister, my brother, my
• 50:52
  sister and I got a lot of compliments and my mom would
• 50:56
  always, you know, they're like, put your kids in commercials.
• 50:59
  They're so they're so cute. They're so this, they're so
• 51:01
  that. My mom would always say, don't
• 51:02
  let that go to your head. You're not that cute.
• 51:04
  You know, things like that in it.
• 51:07
  And it is. There's an ugliness because
• 51:10
  those things aren't what matter. You know, what you look like or
• 51:13
  what someone thinks you look like really isn't what matters.
• 51:16
  Now, it might contribute to certain things in life, you
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  know, but it's not reality. You don't love someone because
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  of what they look like. You don't, you know, it's your
• 51:28
  soul and your soul rapport. But I appreciate that you would
• 51:32
  notice something like that about me, Sam.
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  I've never quite heard anyone say that to me the way you just
• 51:38
  did. And, and I'm gonna take it as a
• 51:41
  compliment because, and I think it's not for me.
• 51:45
  It's and I, I, I believe that is my relationship with God.
• 51:48
  And I will tell people that I don't get the glory.
• 51:50
  God gets the glory. And I think there's a difference
• 51:53
  there. Maybe, you know, maybe that's
• 51:55
  what you see. Maybe you see that I, I love God
• 51:58
  and he, I know that the only way I'm worthy is because he's
• 52:02
  worthy. And, and for me, the grace
• 52:05
  gospel, it's the most beautiful message and I love to give it as
• 52:08
  much as I can because God's a gentleman.
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  He doesn't force us to do anything.
• 52:13
  Not like religion, not like you do this or die or, or, or, you
• 52:16
  know, but God's point of reference with us is the cross.
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  And that's what the cross of Christ is for me.
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  You know, I'm not, I'm just and one of my favorite scriptures is
• 52:28
  Ephesians 289. It's by grace and grace is so
• 52:34
  hard for man to comprehend because we always do the work.
• 52:38
  We get the glory. You know, look how hard I
• 52:40
  worked, look how great I am, right?
• 52:43
  I even religion, if I do this, this and this or don't do this,
• 52:47
  this and this, I'll work my way to heaven.
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  No, God says it's by grace that you're saved through faith and
• 52:54
  that's a non meritorious act. It's by grace that you're saved
• 52:58
  through faith. It's a gift of God.
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  That means it's a gift that he's handing out and giving us.
• 53:03
  Not of works works is religion works says I'm going to add
• 53:08
  something. I'm going to be a Co savior.
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  I'm going to do something for salvation.
• 53:12
  I'm going to change my personality.
• 53:15
  I'm going to do this. No, it's by grace that you're
• 53:17
  saved through faith. It's a gift of God, not of
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  works, lest any man should boast.
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  Because if we do all the work, we do all the glory.
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  I mean get all the glory, but God did all the work, He gets
• 53:29
  all the glory. And John 316 says for God's to
• 53:33
  love the world, that's every person that ever existed, every
• 53:38
  nationality, skin color, no issue.
• 53:41
  It's always for God so loved the world that he gave his only son.
• 53:45
  He was uniquely born. He's the only man 'cause it took
• 53:49
  a man to take our place. Because we're born separated
• 53:52
  from God. We're born sinners.
• 53:54
  A lot of people don't know that. They just go about life and
• 53:57
  think, well look how great things are going for me.
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  But we're all sinners. We are all, excuse my language,
• 54:04
  I will use a bad word. We're all fuck ups in our own
• 54:07
  way. No matter who we are, we all are
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  born with sin. And if you believe in Jesus
• 54:13
  Christ, he gives you his righteousness, not ours.
• 54:17
  Nothing we could do. So if you say I believe in Jesus
• 54:21
  Christ and his finished work on the cross, because what he did
• 54:23
  on the cross, he didn't, He wasn't just hung there.
• 54:27
  If you know the history, common criminals, you know, real
• 54:31
  hardened criminals, that's what they did.
• 54:33
  That was their capital murder back then.
• 54:35
  They would put him on a cross and he was hung between two real
• 54:40
  criminals and you had Pharisees that were religious and they
• 54:44
  hated him. They hated Christ because they
• 54:47
  were jealous of him. He was getting all the
• 54:49
  attention. He was teaching truth.
• 54:51
  He was the Son of God. He wasn't being blasphemous.
• 54:53
  He was the Son of God. He said that only by me can you
• 54:56
  get to the Father. So for God so loved the world
• 55:00
  they that he gave his only Son Jesus Christ who grew.
• 55:04
  He was born of a virgin, had no sin.
• 55:06
  He's the only human being that had no sin nature.
• 55:10
  So he was the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary.
• 55:14
  Here the Messiah is born and he lives a sinless life and he's 33
• 55:19
  years old. He goes to the cross.
• 55:20
  All of our sins, your sins, my sins, the sins of the world
• 55:24
  poured out on him and judged it's perfect justice judged in
• 55:30
  him. And a supernatural darkness
• 55:32
  covered him. For three whole hours He hung
• 55:35
  there in agony. For three hours, all of the
• 55:38
  sins, the worst things you can think of, Hitler, I mean, it's
• 55:41
  horrible, were judged in his body and he was cut off from the
• 55:46
  father. So he was connected to the
• 55:48
  father 'cause he was perfect and it was the first time.
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  And he covered him in a supernatural darkness to hide
• 55:54
  the shame, 'cause he loved his son.
• 55:56
  His Son was precious to him and he didn't want anyone to see how
• 55:59
  painful that was. You couldn't see in front of
• 56:02
  your hand if you put your hand up when you when the when Jesus
• 56:06
  was paying for our sins, he was the ransom.
• 56:08
  He who knew no sin was made sin for us so that we can know the
• 56:13
  righteousness of God. And when you believe in Jesus
• 56:16
  Christ, anyone anywhere can do it.
• 56:18
  It's privacy, it's freedom, it's volition.
• 56:21
  It's the only true freedom that God gives.
• 56:24
  And you believe it and you receive it.
• 56:26
  You have this righteousness just by a thought, just by saying
• 56:30
  it's little more faith than none at all, the faith of a mustard
• 56:33
  seed. I believe in Jesus Christ and
• 56:36
  you have the gift of eternal life.
• 56:38
  And I think there's nothing more beautiful than that.
• 56:41
  For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so whoever
• 56:44
  believes in him has the gift of eternal life.
• 56:47
  Bam, done. I just love it.
• 56:50
  Well. That's, that's, that is a
• 56:53
  sentiment I that I share personally, I feel very blessed.
• 56:59
  I feel called to do what I do and it's been a blessing.
• 57:05
  To that end, I am curious and this does lead into kind of
• 57:11
  fitting segue. Obviously you have a very strong
• 57:16
  faith, and I've always been curious.
• 57:22
  I asked this not as someone who was judging you, but who has
• 57:25
  heard other Christians be judgmental.
• 57:29
  Well, you know. How?
• 57:31
  Can, you know, how can she justify being a Christian if she
• 57:36
  posed for Playboy? You know, and I, I've heard
• 57:40
  other, you know, Playmates like Peggy Mackintaggart be subjected
• 57:46
  to kind of that same ridicule. So how do you I guess?
• 57:55
  I don't know. You know, reconcile is the right
• 57:57
  word, but I guess how do you, just by experience, you know,
• 58:03
  posing for something as controversial quote UN quote as
• 58:07
  Playboy. Well, I haven't.
• 58:08
  I've had my my struggles with it because, you know, well, for one
• 58:13
  thing, I wish I could say, oh, I was an unbeliever and then I
• 58:17
  came to know Christ as my Savior.
• 58:18
  But I don't even remember when I believed in Christ.
• 58:21
  I was so little. I had that childlike faith.
• 58:23
  My mom told me about Jesus when I was a little girl.
• 58:26
  So I can't tell you I was an unbeliever.
• 58:29
  Then I came to know Christ afterward as a believer.
• 58:33
  There are different stages in your spiritual walk also and we
• 58:37
  start out Brefos it's called in the Greek and that's a baby
• 58:40
  believer. We're Brefos and then you become
• 58:44
  an adolescent believer. You know, as you grow as you
• 58:46
  learn the Bible and you're you're you're on a a growth.
• 58:50
  Some people never grow. They stay a baby believer, but
• 58:53
  some people want to grow up spiritually, learn about God's
• 58:57
  word. And I, I knew I was a believer.
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  I, I used to confess my sins at night before bed first John 19.
• 59:06
  I would be like, I'm sorry, I thought this I and I would go to
• 59:09
  bed and sleep really good. And I never thought about, I
• 59:14
  never thought about it, I guess. And I'm not saying I was like
• 59:19
  Miss Innocent or anything, but there's a, a scripture in the
• 59:22
  Bible that says to the pure, all things are pure, right?
• 59:25
  And I was, I never saw anything bad.
• 59:28
  And God protected me. Like I, I took photos.
• 59:32
  Yeah. I wasn't like a crazy sexual
• 59:37
  pervert or, you know, like I, I look back and I'm, I'm like, I
• 59:40
  was pretty innocent. It's quite a funny.
• 59:43
  I never was naked in front of a man until I posed for Playboy.
• 59:47
  It was like that, you know, so I, I didn't, I didn't think
• 59:52
  about it, but I saw things that was almost like God revealed to
• 59:56
  me through just the world and going to Hollywood and then
• 1:00:00
  travelling with Playboy and just seeing people's behavior, like
• 1:00:03
  maybe I wouldn't have because I was kind of the sheltered middle
• 1:00:07
  class kid. It made me seek God because I
• 1:00:11
  didn't want those things. I didn't want the lust for fame.
• 1:00:14
  I didn't want the. It, there was just a lot coming
• 1:00:19
  at me and, and celebrities wanting to date me and, and it
• 1:00:22
  felt seedy. It felt gross.
• 1:00:23
  And that's just my personal experience.
• 1:00:26
  Not saying that that would be, you know, that was my personal
• 1:00:28
  experience. And I, when I got pregnant,
• 1:00:31
  'cause I, when I met my husband and, and got pregnant with my
• 1:00:35
  daughter, I fell in love with my husband because he was this
• 1:00:40
  gentleman from Texas. He's opening the door for me.
• 1:00:42
  He was simple and humble and sweet and all of these things
• 1:00:47
  and I thought I don't, I liked that, you know, it felt like
• 1:00:51
  home to me. And when I got pregnant with my
• 1:00:53
  daughter is when I got, I call it getting positive.
• 1:00:57
  You know, you can go on negative or positive with God.
• 1:01:00
  I went on this positive. I wanted to know God.
• 1:01:04
  All of a sudden I'm pregnant and I'm like, I married this man and
• 1:01:08
  I don't really know him. I felt like that, you know, all
• 1:01:11
  of a sudden I everything felt foreign.
• 1:01:13
  I'm like, fame didn't make me happy.
• 1:01:16
  Money doesn't make you, you know, all these things.
• 1:01:20
  I thought, and now I'm going to have a baby.
• 1:01:22
  And that's when I turned back to God where I said, if you're
• 1:01:26
  there, I, I had gone kind of so far as to does he exist?
• 1:01:30
  And I was, I have already placed my faith in Christ and I was
• 1:01:34
  like, if you exist, show me, show me.
• 1:01:38
  I want to know you and I want to raise this baby the way you want
• 1:01:42
  me to. You created me.
• 1:01:44
  I'm going to have a baby that I want to be able to teach about
• 1:01:47
  you. And for me personally, I found
• 1:01:51
  these tapes my dad used to listen to and it was a pastor
• 1:01:55
  called RB Theme. And I started listening to the,
• 1:01:59
  it was called the Basics. And then I, I listened first of
• 1:02:02
  all to his tapes. They were first Timothy tapes
• 1:02:05
  and I put them in the tape. My husband thought I'd lost my
• 1:02:08
  mind. He's like what is happening to
• 1:02:09
  her? And I started learning the Greek
• 1:02:12
  and the Hebrew and the Aramaic and he taught me these basic,
• 1:02:15
  simple, how to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
• 1:02:18
  I never knew I could be filled. I but I was doing that at night,
• 1:02:23
  naming my sins, you know, But he breaks it down that there is,
• 1:02:30
  it's like if you're going to be a doctor or a search and you
• 1:02:32
  have to learn. It's the same thing with the
• 1:02:34
  Bible, basic instructions before leaving earth, we need to
• 1:02:38
  understand the instructions or you know, what you feed your
• 1:02:43
  soul is important. And and I started just eating, I
• 1:02:46
  call it eating those morsels of God's word, the gold, silver and
• 1:02:51
  precious stones. And so once I started doing
• 1:02:53
  that, I'm sorry to blab and go the long way, but once I started
• 1:02:59
  doing that, I had some guilt immediately about having posed
• 1:03:04
  for Playboy. And then and I and my husband
• 1:03:08
  had some jealousy issues. He would kill me for saying so.
• 1:03:10
  We went through a lot of horrible things and and you
• 1:03:14
  know, it bothered him that other men had seen my body.
• 1:03:17
  Totally understandable. I have this total guilt and then
• 1:03:21
  the same pastors teaching me guilt is a sin.
• 1:03:24
  You're not supposed to be guilty If you function by guilt, you
• 1:03:28
  can't even function in life. Like I'm learning all of these
• 1:03:31
  fundamentals that started building things in my soul that
• 1:03:35
  went that was part of my tapestry that God was weaving in
• 1:03:39
  my life. There's no accident that I did
• 1:03:42
  Playboy. There's no accident.
• 1:03:44
  I'm on this podcast with you. There's no accident that anyone
• 1:03:48
  would be interested in that. So God takes the weak things of
• 1:03:52
  this world, the weak things of this world and he come founds
• 1:03:57
  the mighty and all that means is sometimes people wouldn't even
• 1:04:00
  listen unless you're in your position, Sam, unless I went
• 1:04:05
  through the things I went through.
• 1:04:07
  There are you have your own ministry.
• 1:04:09
  I have my own ministry that nobody else may not listen, but
• 1:04:13
  they're like, wait a minute, She's gone down the same Rd.
• 1:04:17
  I have and has no guilt or whatever.
• 1:04:19
  I mean, there are, you know, if you've believed in Christ, that
• 1:04:23
  I mean there's hookers for Jesus, there's strippers, right,
• 1:04:25
  You know what I mean? Like it it it's God doesn't look
• 1:04:30
  at us that way. He doesn't, he doesn't look at
• 1:04:32
  me and go, Oh, you know, he doesn't look at me and say,
• 1:04:36
  especially now I'm 52, who cares?
• 1:04:38
  Even when I was young and people thought I was beautiful, it's
• 1:04:41
  like God doesn't look at the outward.
• 1:04:44
  He looks at our soul. He doesn't say arena because you
• 1:04:47
  pose for the magazine. I'm finding special favor on you
• 1:04:50
  because you're beautiful. It's like God doesn't even look
• 1:04:53
  at us like that. He doesn't The people that he
• 1:04:57
  that find favor with God have his word in their soul.
• 1:05:01
  They, they love him. He's the one worthy.
• 1:05:04
  The only thing worthy of God's love is God.
• 1:05:06
  The only thing worthy of Him is his Word.
• 1:05:09
  And if and and everything else, it doesn't matter.
• 1:05:12
  We don't take anything but God and his word with us to heaven,
• 1:05:15
  right? So yeah, anyway.
• 1:05:19
  I do think that internal beauty does reflect though on the
• 1:05:25
  outside eventually and that. You.
• 1:05:29
  Know, I think that's very clear, you know, just from meeting you
• 1:05:36
  and meeting other people in my life too, you know, my my woman,
• 1:05:41
  my mother is a woman of faith and she is still objectively
• 1:05:45
  beautiful even in her, you know, mid to late 60s and many other.
• 1:05:54
  Because of God. She's beautiful.
• 1:05:57
  I. Yeah.
• 1:05:59
  And his love. Because there's nothing more
• 1:06:01
  beautiful than love. And I think some of the most
• 1:06:05
  loving, thoughtful, 'cause you do end up with the virtues of
• 1:06:09
  Christ when you love him and he pours his love through you.
• 1:06:13
  So I imagine you see that with your mom.
• 1:06:16
  Yeah. Yeah, and I see that with other,
• 1:06:19
  you know, women. And same is true for men.
• 1:06:24
  Oh yeah, contrarily, you see men and women who are toxic, and
• 1:06:31
  there are toxic women out there too.
• 1:06:34
  And it does flecked on, you know, everyone's.
• 1:06:41
  I think it ages us. I always say God and His love is
• 1:06:45
  the fountain of youth because sometimes people age poorly
• 1:06:50
  because of the bitterness in their soul.
• 1:06:52
  Or, you know, and I think God is the only one that can remove
• 1:06:56
  those things because love is the only thing that can soften a
• 1:07:00
  bitter heart. Or, you know, anything like
• 1:07:03
  that, 'cause I know, I know what you're saying.
• 1:07:08
  Well, you, you even, you even said, I think about a month ago,
• 1:07:13
  I saw your post on Instagram where it was, it was Hef's
• 1:07:17
  birthday and you wrote a pretty long, you know, paragraph.
• 1:07:23
  It was more than a paragraph on Hef and I can't remember the
• 1:07:27
  entire thing, but I do remember at one point you said that
• 1:07:33
  because of meeting half that your faith grew as a result of
• 1:07:40
  that. Or, I don't know if you said it
• 1:07:43
  exactly in those words, but you. You said.
• 1:07:46
  Something but you said something pretty close and that was that
• 1:07:50
  was really profound to me because half has been demonized
• 1:07:56
  by religious, you know, zealotypes and he's strangely
• 1:08:04
  been demonized now by agnostic and atheist.
• 1:08:09
  Poor guy just can't get a break. I I guess, even in even in
• 1:08:14
  death. But it does strike, you know it.
• 1:08:18
  It did strike me that you made that comment and I that was kind
• 1:08:24
  when I felt like I've got to have Ron now because this is not
• 1:08:29
  a perspective that you hear very often and it's a very unique
• 1:08:34
  one, I think. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:39
  And that's again, you know, it poured from my heart because,
• 1:08:44
  and which says a lot about hef. It poured from my heart because
• 1:08:48
  it's true. For one thing, I I never saw
• 1:08:51
  anything but kindness from him. He was never creepy to me and we
• 1:08:55
  never had a relationship like you know, he had with a lot of
• 1:08:57
  the girls, but or a few of them anyway, comparatively, but he
• 1:09:04
  was I I also saw in Hef a sadness and and when I say that
• 1:09:10
  it's I saw that everything that he had, it was a superficial
• 1:09:15
  happiness and but I loved Hef as a friend, as a person.
• 1:09:21
  I, I really enjoyed his company. I enjoyed his conversation as,
• 1:09:25
  as so many people will tell you, he was a wonderful
• 1:09:28
  conversationalist and very thoughtful, more thoughtful than
• 1:09:33
  many of my friends, so-called friends throughout the years
• 1:09:36
  that still don't know anything about me.
• 1:09:39
  I mean, he would remember family members because all of my family
• 1:09:42
  came to my Playmate of the Year party.
• 1:09:44
  He had conversations with each of them and he had a
• 1:09:47
  photographic memory and he would remember aunt he, he said, I, I,
• 1:09:52
  he's like, oh, how's your aunt? And would remember how many kids
• 1:09:56
  she, I mean, and your cousins like, and, and I mean, a few
• 1:10:01
  people are that thoughtful. And, and so I cared about Hef
• 1:10:05
  and, and, and I know that Hef cared about me.
• 1:10:08
  So as a friend and, and I always wanted I, you know, of course
• 1:10:14
  you want the people you love to be in heaven.
• 1:10:16
  And I, I wrote him a letter, gosh, it was probably a few
• 1:10:21
  years before he died and I had gone to one of the movie nights
• 1:10:25
  and I stopped. I, I declined because my husband
• 1:10:28
  had no interest in going to the Playboy Mansion.
• 1:10:32
  But I was on the list for years. And it's it, you know, it's hard
• 1:10:35
  to get on the list in the 1st place.
• 1:10:37
  And like most of the Playmates, we were all on there and, and
• 1:10:41
  you can just call and, and go for movie night.
• 1:10:44
  And I did that, but I hadn't been to any of the parties in
• 1:10:46
  years. And I, I do have regrets for not
• 1:10:50
  going because he had the best parties, I think in, I mean,
• 1:10:55
  anywhere in Hollywood, you know, in Beverly Hills.
• 1:10:58
  And I regret not going to a lot of those parties.
• 1:11:02
  But that said, maybe I do, maybe I don't, whatever.
• 1:11:06
  But I always hoped that he had believed in Christ 'cause I know
• 1:11:11
  there were many of us that are Christians, Christian playmates
• 1:11:14
  that all prayed for him. And throughout the years, I
• 1:11:17
  think even what was her name? Gosh, she was like one of the
• 1:11:21
  first nude pin UPS. She was friends with Hef and she
• 1:11:26
  kind of went off the radar. Betty Page.
• 1:11:30
  And, and I think she had given him the gospel.
• 1:11:33
  I think a lot of people have given him the gospel throughout
• 1:11:36
  the years. And I wrote him a letter and I
• 1:11:37
  said that I reminded him of that 'cause I had heard about that.
• 1:11:40
  I said all these girls. I said, Hef, you've given us so
• 1:11:43
  much. I said here you gave this middle
• 1:11:46
  class girl from Las Vegas an opportunity I never would have
• 1:11:50
  had opened doors to me. I never never would have been
• 1:11:52
  opened. I learned things I never would
• 1:11:55
  have learned. Not one bad experience, all
• 1:11:57
  good. I was very protected.
• 1:11:58
  We had security and we're very protected and around very, you
• 1:12:04
  know, just fascinating people and and just the most
• 1:12:08
  intelligent people, successful people.
• 1:12:11
  I learned things I never would have learned.
• 1:12:13
  So I wrote him a letter along those lines.
• 1:12:15
  I said, but one thing I know is that all of the things, you
• 1:12:20
  know, none of those things are going to matter when we take our
• 1:12:23
  last breath. We can't take any of it with us.
• 1:12:27
  And I just said I gave him the gospel.
• 1:12:29
  I don't remember how I know the Holy Spirit made it clear to him
• 1:12:33
  and I just hope and pray he got that because I know he was
• 1:12:36
  married to Crystal at the time and and I know a lot of things
• 1:12:40
  had changed. But I hope she read it to him.
• 1:12:42
  And I hope she read it because it gave the gospel very clear of
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  how to be to in how to get into heaven.
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  And I pray for all these people, even the ones that are
• 1:12:51
  slandering heaven trying to take him down.
• 1:12:53
  I pray for all of them. And who knows, hef may be in
• 1:12:55
  heaven laughing. I hope he is.
• 1:12:58
  None of us know. Again, that's a very private
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  thing. I hope he did, but it's very
• 1:13:03
  hard for a rich man to enter through the narrow wall.
• 1:13:06
  It says, you know, it's, it's easier for a camel to go through
• 1:13:09
  the eye of a needle because they have everything.
• 1:13:12
  They, they, you know, sometimes Satan prospers in this world.
• 1:13:15
  They, it gives you everything. And it's hard to think you need
• 1:13:19
  a savior if you don't know you're sick and when
• 1:13:22
  everything's going right. But I hope in his dying days
• 1:13:26
  when things weren't going right and when he saw the vultures
• 1:13:29
  around him and we saw that all of the bitterness that went on
• 1:13:33
  with these, you know, women that should have loved them and
• 1:13:36
  didn't. All the opportunist.
• 1:13:39
  And I, I hope he somehow connected those dots and
• 1:13:42
  believed in Christ because I hope he's in heaven.
• 1:13:45
  I really do. So that's what made me think of
• 1:13:48
  that on his birthday, you know, and hoping he's there and and
• 1:13:52
  that he did he without my life would have been so different.
• 1:13:57
  Having not posed for Playboy. I'm not ashamed of it.
• 1:14:00
  I'm very proud of it and I'm I'm very grateful for that
• 1:14:03
  opportunity. And, and a side note, I had a
• 1:14:06
  woman who's a, a pastor, a pastor woman who said to me, I'd
• 1:14:13
  like to sit down with you and tell you, you know, your words
• 1:14:17
  about Hef how it's it, it's awful.
• 1:14:21
  He was a, you know, a misogynist and a womanizer and a this and
• 1:14:25
  that and a, you know, objectified woman women.
• 1:14:30
  And I never sat down with her because I, you know, I
• 1:14:34
  completely disagree and I, I respectfully disagree because I
• 1:14:38
  never felt like he was a womanizer.
• 1:14:39
  I felt like he put women on pedestals.
• 1:14:41
  I feel like he gave them business opportunities.
• 1:14:44
  I feel like he put them more in the positions than a man, you
• 1:14:47
  know, that men would be. He even changed that where when
• 1:14:51
  there was real racism in the country, real racial division
• 1:14:56
  and real racism that was horrible.
• 1:14:59
  And he would put women in a in not only positions of authority,
• 1:15:04
  but black women in the impositions of authority.
• 1:15:09
  The Bunny hop, the black Bunny hop.
• 1:15:11
  My friend Lacey wrote a wonderful book and she came from
• 1:15:16
  bad racism and fled Alabama her they were going to lynch her
• 1:15:20
  dad. I mean, it's they had to hide
• 1:15:21
  him in the trunk. It was very real.
• 1:15:24
  And and and you know, she worked, she's also a Christian
• 1:15:27
  and she worked for Playboy for years.
• 1:15:29
  She was one of the first Playboy bunnies and then became the
• 1:15:33
  Bunny mom. And you know, that's just one
• 1:15:36
  little person. And I, I say it like that
• 1:15:38
  because it, it Playboy really, you know, take it or leave it.
• 1:15:42
  There's a lot of Christians in the organizations.
• 1:15:45
  I I, you know, yes, half. Half.
• 1:15:48
  Didn't. Do anything to diminish my
• 1:15:50
  faith. Well, that that that's kind of
• 1:15:54
  the that's kind of the surprising thing.
• 1:15:56
  I'm not trying to draw comparisons or say that I'm like
• 1:16:02
  half, but you know, there was the description of oh, he's just
• 1:16:05
  some horny old guy. But then, you know, as I
• 1:16:10
  ironically by them cancelling him, that sparked my interest in
• 1:16:16
  finding out who, who was this guy?
• 1:16:19
  Because I feel like if anything was legitimate, they would have
• 1:16:24
  confronted him when he was alive and given him the chance to
• 1:16:28
  defend himself. And what I found was what I.
• 1:16:33
  Found was a man who you know, it, it's hard to know what he
• 1:16:38
  would think of things now, you know, as is the case when with
• 1:16:42
  anyone who's passed, but you know, and just surface little
• 1:16:45
  things. He went on like he went on
• 1:16:48
  Crossfire with, you know, William F Buckley back in the
• 1:16:51
  60s and they actually had a civilized debate about the
• 1:16:54
  sexual revolution and you can't have that type of conversation
• 1:17:00
  anymore. And he was also, you know, we,
• 1:17:04
  he started the Playboy Jazz Festival and well.
• 1:17:08
  We are Sam, look at you're doing it and that's wonderful.
• 1:17:12
  I hope more and more people are going back to, you know, it's,
• 1:17:19
  it's freedom. It is the First Amendment.
• 1:17:22
  That's the whole point. Take it or leave it.
• 1:17:24
  We should all be able to speak, You know, you should be able to
• 1:17:28
  speak without people condemning you or cancelling you or, or
• 1:17:32
  trying to change your thinking. Because when you have people
• 1:17:36
  that are trying to change your thinking, they think they're
• 1:17:40
  right. They, you know, there are people
• 1:17:41
  that think they're right, but it, it's, it's the, it's, it's
• 1:17:50
  not freedom. That's that's all.
• 1:17:52
  It's not your First Amendment rights anymore.
• 1:17:54
  Now it's, it's their ideology over yours.
• 1:17:59
  And the scary thing is Christian persecution is about to be here.
• 1:18:03
  I really believe it. Political execution is here.
• 1:18:07
  And that's scary. That's scary.
• 1:18:11
  I don't want to live in that world.
• 1:18:12
  I want to live in the old Playboy world.
• 1:18:14
  And I never thought we would bring up, you know, 'cause how
• 1:18:18
  sad is that, that I'm, you know, you're longing for something
• 1:18:21
  that was maybe morally, you know, morally iffy.
• 1:18:25
  But the principle of it, you're like, wait a minute, I miss
• 1:18:31
  those days. You could.
• 1:18:34
  Pick up the magazine or not, right?
• 1:18:36
  You know, there's the difference.
• 1:18:38
  You could pick it up or not. That's freedom.
• 1:18:41
  What you think about it is inconsequential.
• 1:18:46
  Well, what? What?
• 1:18:47
  What? Kind of what kind of?
• 1:18:49
  Sads me is that like Playboy even with all the nudity?
• 1:18:54
  Seems very quaint compared to a lot of.
• 1:19:01
  The I see women on Instagram saw somebody showed me something the
• 1:19:05
  other day and I'm like, they don't censor that, but they
• 1:19:09
  censor people with conservative values or happened and it.
• 1:19:17
  Or there was. Babies, little babies in a hot
• 1:19:22
  tub. And there was a lady putting her
• 1:19:23
  butt in their face. And I was like, this is so this
• 1:19:27
  is bizarro land we're living in now.
• 1:19:31
  I'm like, I and then women appoint themselves models now,
• 1:19:35
  you know, that's it's they appoint echo.
• 1:19:38
  And I had this conversation. It was like there was something
• 1:19:40
  special about being chosen or somebody seeking you out and
• 1:19:44
  saying, look, you should do this.
• 1:19:46
  And and they're kind of an authority on modeling or
• 1:19:48
  authority on, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:50
  Like they're, they're the, the, they're high up in their field
• 1:19:53
  and they, and then there's something's prestigious and
• 1:19:56
  special that you're chosen, you know, not.
• 1:20:00
  I look at me, I'm a model like, like, OK, And they have hundreds
• 1:20:06
  of thousands of followers and I'm like, that's so weird to me.
• 1:20:12
  It's just bizarre. That's just how we live now.
• 1:20:15
  I, I went to, I went to college with a young woman who I'm, I'm
• 1:20:21
  not going to say her name, but she's turned out to be a very
• 1:20:24
  successful Instagram model. I I guess I don't even even know
• 1:20:29
  how you qualify that anymore, to be honest, because the metrics
• 1:20:33
  are weird. But she was, she was claiming
• 1:20:38
  that she was a playmate and I took her aside and was like, do
• 1:20:45
  you even know? Have you even read the magazine?
• 1:20:48
  Do you know any of the, you know, sections?
• 1:20:52
  Do you know who you know? I threw out a couple of pretty
• 1:20:57
  well known playmate playmate names and she didn't know any
• 1:21:02
  of. Yeah, there's only you're right.
• 1:21:03
  There's a lot of girls on Instagram claiming that they're
• 1:21:06
  Playmates and they're not. And it is interesting.
• 1:21:10
  It's an interesting world we live.
• 1:21:12
  Exactly. They're like, I'm a Playboy
• 1:21:14
  Playmate and you're like, OK. But yeah, it's it's it's.
• 1:21:19
  Interesting. And then it's funny because we
• 1:21:22
  went through media training and we even learned to deal with the
• 1:21:26
  press and, you know, women's rights activists that would come
• 1:21:29
  after you because they did and say, how could you objectify,
• 1:21:32
  you know, allow yourself to be objectified and all of these
• 1:21:36
  different training and how to be gracious and, and just say, I'm
• 1:21:40
  sorry you feel that way. And I remember learning these
• 1:21:43
  things because Playboy had a good reputation and they and my
• 1:21:47
  gosh, there's no drinking on promotions.
• 1:21:49
  There's no you know, I remember there were rules and and that
• 1:21:53
  wasn't something bad. Heft didn't want anybody to get,
• 1:21:56
  you know, anything bad to happen and you to be have presence of
• 1:22:00
  mind and and represent the brand.
• 1:22:03
  And and so, you know, a lot of playmates would get in trouble,
• 1:22:08
  rightfully so, if they were doing things that were
• 1:22:11
  questionable or, you know, because it was it it didn't
• 1:22:15
  reflect the brand. He didn't like Jerry.
• 1:22:18
  You know, maybe he would have interviewed Jerry Springer, but
• 1:22:21
  he doesn't want the playmates acting like Jerry Springer.
• 1:22:23
  They really, there was a certain etiquette.
• 1:22:27
  I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
• 1:22:28
  I think that that's I think it's nice to learn that etiquette's
• 1:22:32
  important and how to have manners and make sure.
• 1:22:35
  I remember because I had never traveled the way you travel with
• 1:22:39
  Playboy. And they even taught me, you
• 1:22:41
  know, make sure you tip the bellman, make sure you tip, you
• 1:22:45
  know, and and they would tell you how much just make.
• 1:22:48
  Yeah, it was things like that that just, I don't know if
• 1:22:52
  people even realize that. Me, I wish I could find my media
• 1:22:56
  training, how to talk to the press, how to present yourself.
• 1:22:59
  You know, you always had to look nice when you went out and and
• 1:23:03
  not dress skimpy, like you could dress kind of sexy and classy,
• 1:23:09
  but they even went through that. You didn't want to look trashy.
• 1:23:12
  There was a difference between trashy and you know, it got a
• 1:23:16
  little more lenient toward the end, you know, but but Heff was
• 1:23:21
  pretty funny about that, that he wanted the girls to look very.
• 1:23:24
  It was cocktail dresses in the evening for, you know, if we
• 1:23:28
  were doing events or whatever. Anyway, that's funny to look
• 1:23:32
  back at these things. You would, you would be.
• 1:23:35
  Amazed. I, I mean, I'm sure you already
• 1:23:37
  know a lot of them because, you know, they're all over the
• 1:23:41
  Internet, but just the stereotypes that have been, you
• 1:23:44
  know, perpetuated about Playboy that he, you know, have slept
• 1:23:48
  with like every single Playmate that was, that was, you know, a
• 1:23:54
  big one. For.
• 1:23:56
  You know, a long time and and then they tried to say.
• 1:24:00
  Well, I, I used to, I would be asked that and I would always be
• 1:24:04
  like, Oh my gosh, they're like we to be a playmate.
• 1:24:08
  You have to sleep with Heff. That was the, the, the rumor,
• 1:24:12
  right? And I remember being terrified
• 1:24:14
  even to get my photo taken in the 1st place.
• 1:24:17
  But I remember thinking, that's scary when someone said that to
• 1:24:21
  me, I go, I don't think so. He didn't, he didn't act that
• 1:24:24
  way to me. So that said, I think that the
• 1:24:28
  women in his life had to have been the ones that were very
• 1:24:31
  attracted to him and he was a you know, it's, it was a mutual
• 1:24:35
  thing, but it was not. And I know the hundreds of girls
• 1:24:39
  that of course didn't sleep with them.
• 1:24:41
  I would, I would have never been attracted to him.
• 1:24:44
  I was never well, he was married at the time anyway.
• 1:24:47
  So that was awesome. When I don't think maybe I would
• 1:24:49
  have posed if it was as crazy as the mansion had been.
• 1:24:53
  It was a family home when I when I went in, I, I loved Kimberly,
• 1:24:57
  still do. She's awesome.
• 1:25:00
  And they had, you know, Marston and Cooper were babies.
• 1:25:04
  When I first post for the magazines.
• 1:25:07
  You know, it's so funny, that rumor.
• 1:25:10
  That was one of the reasons why when I watched a certain series
• 1:25:14
  on A&E, as soon as one of the women said, and she was bitter.
• 1:25:18
  You could see it. She wanted to be Playmate of the
• 1:25:20
  Year. You could see it.
• 1:25:21
  She kept bringing it up. It bothered her that she never
• 1:25:24
  became Playmate of the Year. And I knew she was a liar and I
• 1:25:30
  couldn't believe anything she said after she said every
• 1:25:32
  single, she said just like this, every Playmate of the year, for
• 1:25:37
  them to be Playmate of the year, had to sleep with Hugh Hefner.
• 1:25:40
  And I'm screaming at the TV. I'm like, I can't.
• 1:25:42
  Why do I, why am I torturing myself?
• 1:25:44
  You're making us all look bad. I didn't sleep with Hugh Hefner.
• 1:25:48
  I didn't. That's not why I got Playmate of
• 1:25:50
  the year. I'm like, gosh.
• 1:25:52
  And then I watched another thing and this girl was saying, and I
• 1:25:55
  again, I'm protecting people's privacy, but they made-up a
• 1:25:59
  whole lie about someone I knew. And I knew she was a horrible
• 1:26:02
  person. She claimed rape and everything
• 1:26:04
  else. She was a horrible person.
• 1:26:05
  Not all playmates are great. And and then the girl says and
• 1:26:10
  she should have gotten playmate of the year.
• 1:26:12
  And I'm thinking, I thought that girl was going to murder me.
• 1:26:15
  That's how evil that girl was. And you're making her look like
• 1:26:18
  she was some sweet person. So a lot of lies.
• 1:26:23
  And what makes me sad is, you know, it's not opinion, It's
• 1:26:26
  lies because this is personal to me.
• 1:26:29
  Now nobody will know this because because it's opinion,
• 1:26:34
  you know, it's it, it would be a, but it's not opinion.
• 1:26:37
  It's my personal life. I would, I have experience with
• 1:26:40
  these people. I've experienced personally,
• 1:26:43
  whether you believe me or not, how sad is that?
• 1:26:46
  No, I never slept with Hugh Hefner to be playing of the
• 1:26:48
  year. But people lie so I'm like, but
• 1:26:53
  they'll think I'm lying. How sad is that?
• 1:26:56
  So it angers me that they can put certain things on television
• 1:27:00
  now and people take it for the truth Is that some of these
• 1:27:05
  documentaries serious. Yes, it diminishes our, you
• 1:27:09
  know, little celebrity we had and that's sad, you know,
• 1:27:12
  because playmates are prestigious.
• 1:27:14
  I, I, I think that there, there's some fun to that and
• 1:27:18
  some awesome playfulness and, and things that I want to look
• 1:27:22
  back on and, and be proud of and be, you know, as fond memories.
• 1:27:27
  And now you have people just making it like we all slept
• 1:27:31
  around and slept with Heath and we're prostitutes.
• 1:27:35
  Nothing could be further from the truth.
• 1:27:37
  I know some of the classiest women, even Playmate of the year
• 1:27:40
  that was, you know, virgins. I'm just being honest.
• 1:27:43
  Yes, they hurt their body, but they had never even slept with a
• 1:27:47
  man at all. Me and what's she was beautiful.
• 1:27:52
  But anyway, we were laughing about it because she's like when
• 1:27:56
  I posed as Playmate of the year. I was a virgin.
• 1:28:00
  Yeah, sleep with heft to be No, not even at all.
• 1:28:04
  He actually, you know, it would never, would never cross a line.
• 1:28:10
  That's what I mean by that personally.
• 1:28:13
  That's my personal experience. But I, I, I, you have to imagine
• 1:28:18
  his character would change that much.
• 1:28:21
  You know what I mean? Like your character changes for
• 1:28:23
  one person to the other. I know we change a little bit
• 1:28:27
  for people, but not that much. Well anyway, I'm just thinking
• 1:28:32
  of some of the things I've heard.
• 1:28:35
  No, no, I mean I've been in. I mean I've been, I've been
• 1:28:38
  podcasting for, for 16 years now.
• 1:28:41
  I mean, I've, I've been in media.
• 1:28:43
  Oh my gosh, Sam. The the vast majority of my
• 1:28:46
  entire life and mostly self-taught.
• 1:28:49
  But you, you know, you pick up on.
• 1:28:52
  I mean, I've always had a pretty good bullshit meter and I'd have
• 1:28:56
  watched the series. I, I never watched the series in
• 1:28:59
  its entirety because I don't have cable.
• 1:29:03
  But you know, I, I did see clips of the Girls Next door when it
• 1:29:07
  was on because my mom watched that show a lot.
• 1:29:13
  A lot of women also watched, you know, out of those reality
• 1:29:16
  shows. Oh yeah, it was.
• 1:29:17
  It was very entertaining. That's that's the funny.
• 1:29:20
  Thing, you know, meanwhile my guy friends and I, we, we were
• 1:29:23
  just interested in, in the magazine and that was, you know,
• 1:29:27
  that was it. But you know, I think the thing
• 1:29:32
  that didn't sit right with me was that just from the clips I
• 1:29:37
  saw of, you know, the secrets of Playboy or what not, they seemed
• 1:29:44
  like really dramatic and overdone, you know, obviously.
• 1:29:51
  Yeah, it's very well produced. And to.
• 1:29:55
  All of them are very well produced.
• 1:29:59
  You know, and I'll and I'll give them credit for that
• 1:30:01
  artistically, but I'm just like, well.
• 1:30:04
  They didn't research these people.
• 1:30:06
  Yeah. And the journalists that did a
• 1:30:09
  lot of the interviews on the A&E series, sadly, I, I, you know, I
• 1:30:14
  spoke to them multiple times. They wanted me to, and they were
• 1:30:19
  spinning my words. So they kept bringing up people
• 1:30:22
  that I know personally. And we're saying what, you know,
• 1:30:26
  they wanted it to seem like Playboy was the reason this
• 1:30:29
  person committed suicide, the reason this person.
• 1:30:33
  So they dug up all the dirt they could.
• 1:30:35
  That's their job. It shouldn't be their job.
• 1:30:37
  That's not a journalist job. That's not objectivity.
• 1:30:41
  That's focusing on negativity, which sells, and Playboy sells
• 1:30:46
  and controversy sells. So I could hear that, and I was
• 1:30:50
  unlike you, I'm really good. I can hear what they're doing.
• 1:30:54
  And every time I would give them the truth, they would present a
• 1:30:58
  lie but try to put it in me. And I'm like, no, no, no, no,
• 1:31:02
  no, no. I knew her the happiest times of
• 1:31:06
  her life. Hugh Hefner gave her some
• 1:31:09
  wonderful times in her life. She made a series of poor
• 1:31:14
  decisions. And I know this personally and
• 1:31:17
  sadly, you know, that has nothing to do with Playboy.
• 1:31:20
  But they were trying to act like Playboy was such a horrible
• 1:31:24
  lifestyle that that's why this person committed suicide or that
• 1:31:27
  person did this. And another thing that it's
• 1:31:31
  based on a book and the person it, it's almost bizarre land.
• 1:31:37
  It doesn't even make sense. It was an an employee that
• 1:31:40
  barely worked there and he got fired because he was a creep.
• 1:31:43
  And so he's mentally ill. So if you watch these people,
• 1:31:46
  they're mentally ill. They're they're not all there.
• 1:31:48
  They've done drugs. They're drug addicts.
• 1:31:52
  They're I'm just being honest. And Playboy didn't make them do
• 1:31:55
  drugs. Playboy Hef was so against drugs
• 1:31:58
  and they lie. I know.
• 1:32:01
  I know because we were given rules.
• 1:32:04
  You don't talk to anybody if they offer you cocaine.
• 1:32:07
  You don't. You don't.
• 1:32:08
  I mean, you're given rules. Hef went through some horrible
• 1:32:11
  times during the Empire. He was involved in some things
• 1:32:15
  and steered away from those things.
• 1:32:17
  He spent jail time. He went through some things, but
• 1:32:20
  he preserved the brand by not associating with those things.
• 1:32:25
  But for some reason, you know, you have these liars and, and
• 1:32:30
  they are lies. And what's awesome, I have a
• 1:32:33
  friend and I won't mention his name yet because he'll it'll all
• 1:32:36
  come out. And it's so fun because even one
• 1:32:38
  of the girlfriends, you know, has some truth and I know she's
• 1:32:42
  telling the truth. There are truth and there are
• 1:32:44
  lies there. And like you said, you can
• 1:32:46
  almost read it. You can read the bullshit and
• 1:32:50
  you can read when they make excuses.
• 1:32:52
  And you know, I have autism, so that's my excuse.
• 1:32:56
  That does not that's, that shouldn't make you vicious and
• 1:33:00
  and tearing someone down. Because if, if my, my husband,
• 1:33:04
  because I'm, I'm writing a book right now because my husband
• 1:33:06
  ended up with a brain tumor. And I've been through a lot of
• 1:33:09
  things. I've been through some very real
• 1:33:11
  things. And I know what real abuse is.
• 1:33:14
  I know what it is to be abused. I do.
• 1:33:17
  And I've been, I've seen it. I've seen people that have been
• 1:33:20
  abused and then I see people that are portraying victims and
• 1:33:24
  it's a slap in the face to real victims.
• 1:33:28
  That's what's frustrating here, Sam, because there are real
• 1:33:31
  victims of real crimes and then you have someone going.
• 1:33:34
  He said I looked cheap. Well, he was probably just being
• 1:33:38
  honest. My husband's called me a bitch
• 1:33:40
  before. Guess what?
• 1:33:41
  I was probably being a bitch. You know what I mean?
• 1:33:43
  Like, that's not abuse. No, it's not abuse because
• 1:33:47
  someone you're getting a little, I mean, come on, people need to
• 1:33:50
  be thicker skinned. But you know what I'm saying?
• 1:33:54
  Like, I think we live in a baby world now.
• 1:33:57
  And then liars and then and then they praise liars so that
• 1:34:01
  everybody can go, yeah, I knew he was bad.
• 1:34:04
  I knew he was awful. I knew every playmate of the
• 1:34:07
  year had to sleep with them. And then it, it reflects bad on
• 1:34:11
  people that were just, you know, I posed for the magazine.
• 1:34:15
  Everything was great. It was awesome.
• 1:34:17
  I didn't see anything bad. I saw a beautiful wife of a man
• 1:34:21
  and two adorable kids and a family home.
• 1:34:24
  That was my experience. And then you have somebody.
• 1:34:28
  I, I will bring this one up. So the guy says that he was in
• 1:34:31
  the grotto. Well, everyone knows that if
• 1:34:34
  you're a valet Parker, you are not allowed to go in the grotto.
• 1:34:38
  You're fired if you go on the grounds and spy on people.
• 1:34:42
  And he says that he saw Hugh Hefner.
• 1:34:44
  This is disgusting, by the way, and I know it's a lie.
• 1:34:47
  I know for a fact it's a lie. Said that he saw Hugh Hefner
• 1:34:52
  sodomizing a woman that ended up being *80 beautiful.
• 1:34:58
  I can't think of her name right now.
• 1:34:59
  They did a whole story on. They keep doing stories on her
• 1:35:02
  and they didn't know her. It makes me so sick.
• 1:35:05
  And says that Heff was sodomizing.
• 1:35:07
  It's so gross. The things that's disgusting.
• 1:35:11
  My brain didn't even want to wrap around that.
• 1:35:13
  And I knew it was a lie. And then the one lady who had,
• 1:35:17
  you know, Heff's personal physician, these are just some
• 1:35:20
  of the lies. Sam, his personal physician's
• 1:35:23
  daughter, who never, she says she grew up in the Playboy
• 1:35:27
  Mansion, said she saw orgies going on.
• 1:35:30
  Heff would never let children and he would never have orgies
• 1:35:34
  like in the middle of the house. That was not Hugh Hefner.
• 1:35:38
  It's like if people were off in the grotto having sex, maybe
• 1:35:41
  that was maybe that went on, but there would never be a kid
• 1:35:45
  around. Heff was not.
• 1:35:46
  And he he had his grounds always covered.
• 1:35:49
  So there are all these salacious lies and I know the people
• 1:35:53
  personally that they're lying about.
• 1:35:55
  I know people that were there at these you, if you get the
• 1:35:58
  timeline right, it's so fun. What's going to come out?
• 1:36:01
  And it's just the point. Even though people are going to
• 1:36:03
  believe what they believe, the fact is you need to defend
• 1:36:06
  what's right or we have nothing. That's what I think in America
• 1:36:10
  at this point. It's a a war of ideology here
• 1:36:14
  and truth versus lies. And there is truth, there's
• 1:36:18
  truth. And it's like, I'm so happy
• 1:36:21
  somebody's going to say the truth.
• 1:36:22
  It's not slander, it's truth. And these people are slandering
• 1:36:26
  and lying. And I'm one.
• 1:36:29
  Personally. I was lying against Playmate of
• 1:36:31
  the Year. Has to sleep with half.
• 1:36:32
  I didn't sleep with Hugh Hefner. I got Playmate of the Year.
• 1:36:35
  You're a liar. You just lied.
• 1:36:37
  I don't trust anything you say about Hugh Hefner.
• 1:36:41
  You know what I mean? Yeah, I get.
• 1:36:43
  Worked up about it because I don't like lies.
• 1:36:46
  Yeah, I mean, I I get. Listen, I did not even like you
• 1:36:53
  there. I I think, are you still there?
• 1:36:58
  You're kind of freezing all of a sudden, yes.
• 1:37:02
  OK, OK. OK.
• 1:37:04
  We're back. Yeah.
• 1:37:07
  I did not initially. Even set out to like defend half
• 1:37:11
  that was not my intention my my whole intention was something
• 1:37:17
  doesn't doesn't smell right and I just wanted to talk to someone
• 1:37:22
  who actually. 'Cause you have a bullshit
• 1:37:24
  meter, your bullshit meter was going.
• 1:37:27
  Up So, you know, I really appreciate you taking the time
• 1:37:33
  to have this conversation and you know, as I understand it,
• 1:37:37
  you have been going through some, you know, issues of your
• 1:37:42
  own and now with all of that, why I mean, I I imagine I
• 1:37:51
  imagine that you know, you you've been away from Playboy
• 1:37:54
  for over, you know, 20 some years now.
• 1:37:57
  So I imagine that after all this time to come back it it's got to
• 1:38:02
  be daunting a bit to, you know, have to deal with all this, BSI
• 1:38:07
  would imagine. It is and I didn't think I would
• 1:38:12
  get so worked up about it. And my husband even said don't
• 1:38:16
  watch these shows, don't listen to these things.
• 1:38:19
  Just stop. You're doing that to yourself.
• 1:38:21
  I'm like I said, I am and I'm not because it's an attack on
• 1:38:26
  every one of us really. It's like, no, you're lying
• 1:38:30
  about me and you're defaming my character.
• 1:38:33
  So I and Hesh's character. So that's defamation.
• 1:38:39
  And we should be able to, to defend ourselves and I and I
• 1:38:43
  think it's OK to have a righteous indignation because
• 1:38:47
  there is truth and there is lies.
• 1:38:49
  And people shouldn't get away with lies just 'cause they're
• 1:38:52
  crying. People shouldn't get away with
• 1:38:54
  lies just because they're, they want something or they're
• 1:38:58
  getting paid. I mean, so I just want to stand
• 1:39:02
  up for what's right. And I want people to know who
• 1:39:04
  hath, who hath was. And, and you know, he wasn't a,
• 1:39:10
  he was a man and he wasn't perfect.
• 1:39:12
  He, he wasn't, you know, some I'm not, I don't, it's not like
• 1:39:17
  I worship Hugh Hefner. I worship God and, and I, I, but
• 1:39:23
  I, I'm hurt that so many people are believing because certain
• 1:39:31
  people have certain powers and are able to be on television or
• 1:39:34
  are able to get things out there that a lot of people are being
• 1:39:38
  hurt. Including his own children,
• 1:39:40
  including his ex wives, including his, you know, ex
• 1:39:45
  girlfriends that loved him. And, and so there's a
• 1:39:48
  documentary that'll be coming out that refutes step by step,
• 1:39:52
  the documentary. And I'm excited step by step.
• 1:39:55
  I can't say what it is or who's producing it.
• 1:39:57
  There's still but each interview they're able to get a real story
• 1:40:02
  and and show you how things are spun.
• 1:40:05
  And, you know, and, and how some people paint themselves as
• 1:40:09
  angels and paint themselves as victims and paint themselves as
• 1:40:15
  just, you know, the the loudest, what is what do they say?
• 1:40:18
  The squeakiest wheel, whatever. There's so many sayings, the
• 1:40:23
  loudest can, the emptiest cans make the most noise, the
• 1:40:26
  emptiest, you know, and, and it's people that love Tef that
• 1:40:30
  were his friends that were there a lot that that are gonna give
• 1:40:33
  the truth. Even one of his girlfriends that
• 1:40:35
  was in the bedroom with the people that were saying things.
• 1:40:39
  And then it's just kind of funny.
• 1:40:41
  I heard things. It was fun, Sam.
• 1:40:43
  And I don't like gossip, don't get me wrong.
• 1:40:45
  Like, I think all of this is silliness.
• 1:40:48
  I'm not. I like my husband said, I do
• 1:40:50
  need to just not. But it's the principle at this
• 1:40:53
  point. Like if you're giving me this.
• 1:40:56
  Platform. Here I am, and I'm gonna, I'm
• 1:40:58
  gonna say the truth. Yeah.
• 1:41:02
  So yeah, it is. It is.
• 1:41:06
  Just that the truth and, and my, you know, people say my truth.
• 1:41:10
  Well, my, I have a truth too. But those are the people that
• 1:41:13
  never get heard. Yeah.
• 1:41:17
  Well, I. I think that's the great thing
• 1:41:19
  out like podcasting too, and kind of, you know, the age of
• 1:41:23
  new media versus legacy media is that listen, I'm a I'm a quote
• 1:41:29
  UN quote retired political junkie.
• 1:41:33
  I, you know, I start out interviewing people in the
• 1:41:35
  political field. I never thought I'd be
• 1:41:37
  interviewing a a Playboy Playmate 16 years into my, you
• 1:41:43
  know, career here, and yet here we are.
• 1:41:48
  You know this has been fascinating.
• 1:41:51
  I think it's a study, I really think it's an interesting case
• 1:41:56
  study in that people could learn, could learn a lot from
• 1:42:00
  this man's life. Believe it or not, the good and
• 1:42:03
  the bad. It's it's very fascinating.
• 1:42:06
  But I'll tell you, I was, I was supposed because of Playboy,
• 1:42:10
  because I wouldn't have been on, you know, any of I was on a, a
• 1:42:13
  show and I was lied to. And, and it's, it's scary to me
• 1:42:18
  that I, I was able to know not to go on the A&E series.
• 1:42:22
  I knew better. I said, absolutely not.
• 1:42:24
  I no, I want to have nothing to do with this.
• 1:42:26
  I knew that. So I denied going on that show.
• 1:42:31
  Thank goodness. Because you know, I know a few
• 1:42:33
  people that they'll tell you they took hours and hours and
• 1:42:36
  hours and hours and hours of interview and only did a sound
• 1:42:42
  bite, sound bite, sound bite to push the narrative.
• 1:42:46
  So that's terrifying. Well, and what's funny is I felt
• 1:42:50
  so I was like, yes, I was able to see through that.
• 1:42:53
  I, I was able to dodge that. And then when I watched it, I
• 1:42:57
  was like, I knew it. I knew it when they were all
• 1:42:59
  lying and, and they had mentally ill people on there.
• 1:43:02
  And I'm like, my gosh, I'm so glad I figured that out.
• 1:43:06
  Just talking to the journalists then.
• 1:43:08
  And then I don't even think they should be called journalists.
• 1:43:11
  I call them propaganda. They may as well go do make shit
• 1:43:14
  up. And then I was called and then
• 1:43:18
  the other person got to me and it was bizarre.
• 1:43:24
  And I have, it's funny because I'm so excited.
• 1:43:26
  I've told two people this on I have probably 2 hours, hour 45
• 1:43:32
  that I recorded so that they're going to say I broke contract.
• 1:43:36
  Even if I ever accidentally mentioned this producer, they
• 1:43:41
  lied and told me she had nothing to do with it.
• 1:43:44
  Nothing to do with that. I said I'd I said promise me.
• 1:43:47
  And then they promised me that this person was dead that they
• 1:43:50
  were going to ask me questions about.
• 1:43:52
  I was completely honest and everything that I said.
• 1:43:55
  And what's funny is I always share the gospel because that I
• 1:43:57
  always feel like if God puts me in front of a camera, that's my
• 1:44:00
  job. That's why Hollywood will never
• 1:44:02
  accept me. But that said I, I even shared,
• 1:44:06
  it even made me cry at one point because when they interview like
• 1:44:09
  you like that, they flew me to Ohio and interviewed me and they
• 1:44:13
  spun everything anyway. And they only took the pieces
• 1:44:18
  again. But I thought, I really thought,
• 1:44:22
  OK, after talking to this person for an hour and 45 minutes, at
• 1:44:27
  least they'll get the truth. You know, we won't.
• 1:44:30
  We're not going to talk about certain things they didn't want
• 1:44:32
  to talk about. I did figure that out, but they
• 1:44:35
  still lied to me and I was like, you can't trust anything.
• 1:44:40
  And it's so well produced. It's so well produced and it's
• 1:44:44
  so and it's not true. So now when I watch true crime,
• 1:44:48
  I love true crime. I always see, is it going to
• 1:44:51
  benefit the victims? Is it going to honor the
• 1:44:54
  victims? Is it going to help somebody?
• 1:44:56
  And is it real? 911 calls real recordings.
• 1:45:00
  When you get that, you pretty much have the truth.
• 1:45:02
  When you get real recordings, the real people.
• 1:45:05
  But when they have second hand accounts and someone narrating
• 1:45:09
  that didn't know this person, that's forming opinions and
• 1:45:12
  feeding the audience opinions, that's what's happening.
• 1:45:15
  That's what's happening more and more.
• 1:45:16
  And they're produced so well. We watching when we believe it.
• 1:45:19
  But if I didn't experience this myself, I would believe it too.
• 1:45:24
  Do you know what I mean? I would be like if I hadn't used
• 1:45:27
  for Playboy. I would if I didn't know Hugh
• 1:45:30
  Hefner and hundreds of people that knew him and worked for him
• 1:45:33
  for 50 plus years or done the Bunny Chronicles and I learned
• 1:45:36
  these things. I would believe it too because
• 1:45:38
  it's so well produced. I would be like, wow, he did
• 1:45:43
  that, they did that, I would believe it.
• 1:45:46
  So we're living in scary times 'cause that's just one person.
• 1:45:51
  This is just one company. This is just imagine how much
• 1:45:55
  they do this, Sam, I'm terrified.
• 1:45:59
  I don't it's like your book, the 4th estate.
• 1:46:01
  It's all you know, we we don't have a fourth estate.
• 1:46:05
  We have a propaganda. It's like whatever they want us
• 1:46:08
  to think, they can just lie. Now I don't believe anything
• 1:46:12
  anymore. Now I watch I'm like, I really
• 1:46:15
  don't watch the news or anything.
• 1:46:17
  I'm like, these aren't journalists.
• 1:46:20
  They're not journalists. They're they're sinners.
• 1:46:23
  They're just spinners and propagandists.
• 1:46:26
  And I'm like, I got it's nuts. That's why we need more and more
• 1:46:29
  podcasters like yourself. Well, I, I, I appreciate it.
• 1:46:35
  That's that, you know, that's one of the best compliments and
• 1:46:39
  endorsements I've gotten. So I'll, you know, I'll take it.
• 1:46:46
  Yeah. And I mean.
• 1:46:47
  I'm I'm an. English major and people kept
• 1:46:51
  saying I should go to journalism school, but the thing but the
• 1:46:54
  thing about journalism school is now they don't teach you to be
• 1:46:58
  journalists anymore. They teach you to be activists
• 1:47:01
  and. It's.
• 1:47:03
  Yes, exactly. It's unfortunate.
• 1:47:06
  It really is because there's no objectivity.
• 1:47:10
  So you think of people, they're looking through a lens like
• 1:47:14
  hashtag me too, like Black Lives Matters, like, and, and the
• 1:47:20
  premise is good. Of course racism is horrible.
• 1:47:23
  Of course there are real things that go on.
• 1:47:27
  There are real crimes that happen, but what happens is you
• 1:47:30
  have flawed people that look through a lens and all they can
• 1:47:35
  do is look through that lens and they will also force a narrative
• 1:47:40
  where it doesn't fit. Things are not just black and
• 1:47:42
  white. There are Gray areas.
• 1:47:44
  There are there are different things.
• 1:47:47
  And and Sam, I believe we need boots on the ground.
• 1:47:52
  And how sad that we're looking at a magazine that was a
• 1:47:55
  controversial magazine. How sad we're looking back at a
• 1:47:59
  magazine that was an adult magazine, not even for kids, but
• 1:48:03
  it was objective. Have real, honest, objective
• 1:48:06
  journalists and interviews. And that's what we're longing
• 1:48:09
  for today. We want boots on the ground.
• 1:48:12
  Don't tell me what you think about you're a political
• 1:48:14
  opponent, whether it's Fox News or whether it's CNNI want to see
• 1:48:20
  a reporter like in the 80s, like in the like all the way back.
• 1:48:26
  I want to see boots on the ground.
• 1:48:28
  I want to see the real people in Ukraine.
• 1:48:32
  I want to see the real where they're hiding stages it, you
• 1:48:36
  know? I want someone to get in to, you
• 1:48:39
  know, Gaza Strip, not standing on a roof.
• 1:48:44
  I want them in there with the people, the way they used to put
• 1:48:47
  themselves in harm's way. As a journalist, I'm being
• 1:48:50
  honest and say this is this is you can form the opinion, but
• 1:48:54
  this is happening right now before your eyes.
• 1:48:57
  But now we have AI and they'll make stuff up.
• 1:49:00
  They'll have a fake recorder now.
• 1:49:02
  It's so crazy to think about how far we've drifted from honest
• 1:49:07
  journalism where the people can say, I'm going to form my
• 1:49:10
  opinion and I don't hate you for liking this person for
• 1:49:14
  president. Motions aren't involved here.
• 1:49:17
  Thinking is, you know, deduction of thought, like rationally
• 1:49:23
  being able to form an opinion from information that's given.
• 1:49:28
  Like we don't have that. We're being fed information at
• 1:49:33
  the craziest rate of speed. Opinion and opinion and bias,
• 1:49:37
  opinion and bias and activism, activism, activism.
• 1:49:42
  There's nothing more dangerous than what's going on.
• 1:49:45
  Nothing more dangerous. We're losing our freedom.
• 1:49:49
  We're losing our country. We're we're losing all of They
• 1:49:54
  don't allow values. They don't allow nationalism.
• 1:49:56
  It's all globalism and and it goes on and on and on.
• 1:50:01
  And I don't mean to get on my soapbox.
• 1:50:03
  I just get very sad for America. And it starts with the
• 1:50:06
  journalists, believe it or not, it's a big deal.
• 1:50:09
  A fourth estate. Our news outlets are a big, big
• 1:50:12
  deal. Listen, I, I'm, I'm glad that
• 1:50:16
  I'm glad that you're going off on this because usually, like,
• 1:50:19
  I'm the one who gets, you know, calls for and, and whatnot.
• 1:50:22
  I don't. And here's the thing, I don't
• 1:50:24
  think anything. That you're saying?
• 1:50:25
  Or is. Controversial to want the truth.
• 1:50:28
  It's so controversial that you want the truth and not an
• 1:50:31
  opinion. It's so controversial to want to
• 1:50:34
  see reality versus an ideology that you wish was right because
• 1:50:40
  you can't usher it. But we know this is Christian
• 1:50:42
  Sam, and this is what people don't understand.
• 1:50:45
  You can't play God. There's one God.
• 1:50:48
  You can't play God. You can't force what you think
• 1:50:52
  is. You can't even force morality,
• 1:50:54
  true freedom. You don't you don't you it's
• 1:50:59
  separation of church and state. It's that's freedom.
• 1:51:03
  There's all these things and they're afraid of you know, you
• 1:51:06
  have people on the left that are afraid of the there are there
• 1:51:10
  are they should be feared. People that are way on the right
• 1:51:13
  that are, you know, trying to implement law according to
• 1:51:17
  morality, which you can't. You can't legislate morality.
• 1:51:21
  You can't you can't legislate morality.
• 1:51:23
  But now you have the left trying to legislate an ideology and no
• 1:51:29
  system of checks and balances and a fourth estate that is,
• 1:51:34
  that feeds a narrative so that the people stay stupid, so that
• 1:51:39
  they can be the elite and be in charge of all of us.
• 1:51:43
  And we get nothing and they get everything.
• 1:51:45
  And they want to make sure of that.
• 1:51:46
  And they don't want our little brains to think, you know, any
• 1:51:50
  further than gender neutrality and a chicken in every pot.
• 1:51:54
  And they and it's a false it. You can never usher in a utopia.
• 1:51:59
  The end. You can't do it.
• 1:52:01
  All you're going to do is make everybody poor, everybody
• 1:52:04
  miserable. Then, you know, the very people
• 1:52:08
  that are claiming that the people that it's just all nuts.
• 1:52:12
  I get so sad over all of it. I don't want to, you know, and
• 1:52:16
  and people argue and they get upset and they don't listen.
• 1:52:19
  And Oh my gosh, dude, you know, she can't say that.
• 1:52:23
  Why can't I? Why can't I say that?
• 1:52:25
  I used to have people on Facebook shut me down and they
• 1:52:27
  would have a long thread arguing, arguing.
• 1:52:31
  And I used to debate. And then I finally said, you
• 1:52:34
  can't debate with people that are subjective.
• 1:52:38
  You can't debate with activists. You can't debate debate with an
• 1:52:43
  ideology. You can't.
• 1:52:44
  There's no open thinking. There's no thoughtfulness.
• 1:52:47
  There's no, there's no, do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:52:51
  There's they they see through one lens.
• 1:52:55
  They can only see through that lens.
• 1:52:57
  And it's not. Yeah, I know.
• 1:52:58
  That's all. Yeah, I know.
• 1:53:01
  I know exactly. I know exactly what you mean.
• 1:53:04
  You know, I, I, I do know that things are, you know, things are
• 1:53:10
  kind of in dire straits right now.
• 1:53:11
  But I'm also optimistic that there are people who are willing
• 1:53:16
  to have conversations and who are willing to stand for what
• 1:53:23
  they now believe in and listen. I know we.
• 1:53:27
  Have to, Sam, we have to. I used to be quiet.
• 1:53:32
  I used to be very quiet and mind my business.
• 1:53:34
  But when people started trying to make me think the way they
• 1:53:39
  want me to think and shame me, I'm done.
• 1:53:43
  And and what do we have to lose? What do we have to lose?
• 1:53:47
  It's all going away at the nothing is coming.
• 1:53:49
  I watched never ending story, part one and Part 2 up at our
• 1:53:53
  property the other day and I was, I told my husband, I said,
• 1:53:56
  you know, I love these movies when I was a little girl, but
• 1:53:59
  it's so it's so metaphorical to what's happening.
• 1:54:04
  The nothing is coming. The emptiness is here.
• 1:54:07
  People are empty. There's no love.
• 1:54:09
  There's, you know, the emptiness and the, you know, I hate to
• 1:54:12
  think like that, but that's what I think of it.
• 1:54:14
  As we lose our freedoms, I think of it like the nothing is
• 1:54:18
  coming, you know, the greater good that they think they're
• 1:54:25
  bringing when I say they the very people that are in charge
• 1:54:28
  right now and changing things at lightspeed for globalism and
• 1:54:33
  socialism and Marxism, and they're at the helm.
• 1:54:38
  A quick thought while we're in, and you may totally disagree.
• 1:54:40
  And I have not heard one person say this anywhere.
• 1:54:44
  And I always get mad when Democrats leave the Democratic
• 1:54:47
  Party. Fix your party.
• 1:54:49
  It used to be a system of checks and balances.
• 1:54:52
  Get the radicals out. Get the socialist, communist and
• 1:54:56
  Marxist ideologies. Good Democrats.
• 1:55:01
  There were good Democrats. There were Zell Miller when he
• 1:55:04
  went his, there's a speech. I encourage everyone to look up
• 1:55:07
  Zell Miller who loved our military.
• 1:55:10
  He said we're not, we're not occupiers, we're liberators.
• 1:55:16
  That's what, you know, our military in the past has done
• 1:55:21
  for where there's a dictator, where people are suffering and
• 1:55:25
  you have you can't allow it because where America is free,
• 1:55:30
  America is great. Nationalism is a beautiful
• 1:55:33
  thing. And, and we need a system of
• 1:55:36
  checks and balances. And if you stand for certain
• 1:55:38
  principles like a strong, solid military, if, God forbid, we
• 1:55:42
  have to defend ourselves, you have, you know, so that there's
• 1:55:46
  not too much power on each on either side.
• 1:55:49
  That's why you have a Congress and you have a but we're getting
• 1:55:53
  to a point where it's almost like everybody thinks there has
• 1:55:55
  to be a good guy. There has to be a bad guy.
• 1:55:57
  Like the movies. It's it's we've become
• 1:55:59
  Idiocracy. If you watch Idiocracy, we are
• 1:56:02
  there. It's like people are so stupid.
• 1:56:05
  They don't even know how to, you know what I mean?
• 1:56:07
  They don't know how to think. They don't know how to, they
• 1:56:10
  don't know what things are. And and then you have because
• 1:56:14
  the Democrats have have made such poor decisions and, you
• 1:56:18
  know, dummying things down for equality, you have a lot of
• 1:56:22
  people in positions of authority who have a lesser education.
• 1:56:27
  I'm just being honest, A lesser education.
• 1:56:30
  They come from not even almost like they're not civilized.
• 1:56:36
  And if we're not civilized, that's what makes every great
• 1:56:39
  nation a civilization. And being able to have open
• 1:56:42
  dialogue and being able to agree to disagree and having gentlemen
• 1:56:46
  and having you know it. There's got to be a system of
• 1:56:49
  law, an order and and, and certain people shouldn't be able
• 1:56:53
  to get away with things just for power and and, and just because
• 1:56:58
  you feel sorry for someone that lower standards and and you want
• 1:57:03
  people to rise to be the best that they can be where they are.
• 1:57:07
  Sometimes it's not becoming some high.
• 1:57:11
  You know, you you're not supposed to serve.
• 1:57:13
  You're not supposed to Yeah, and that's OK.
• 1:57:16
  But know where you stand. Have objectivity and, and I
• 1:57:20
  think because of of the sound bites and social media and all
• 1:57:26
  of the things that we have being thrown at us, people aren't able
• 1:57:31
  to think rationally. They're not able to they're not
• 1:57:35
  able to form opinions. Instead, they, they have
• 1:57:38
  ideology and, and that it's so dangerous and on so many levels.
• 1:57:42
  I'm, I'm scattered with it because it, you, it's so much
• 1:57:47
  that that could be fixed. And so I hear, you know, I'll
• 1:57:50
  watch just for fun. I'll watch CNN then I'll, I love
• 1:57:54
  Newsmax, I'll watch Newsmax, but it's, it's still, it's still
• 1:57:57
  bias in opinion, even though I may agree with one of them more
• 1:58:01
  than the other, it's still bias in opinion.
• 1:58:03
  You still don't have boots on the ground.
• 1:58:05
  You're still telling me how to think instead of having me say,
• 1:58:10
  OK, that's a value. I, I agree with.
• 1:58:12
  I, I like that value. I'm, I may hold on to that
• 1:58:16
  value. That's what makes us civilized
• 1:58:19
  society, not you know, you should feel sorry for yourself
• 1:58:24
  because you're part of systemic racism.
• 1:58:27
  You should feel this way because you're you should feel sorry for
• 1:58:31
  yourself because of this. Or you should.
• 1:58:33
  You know, you're owed this because of this.
• 1:58:36
  How weak are we? Like, go to another country?
• 1:58:41
  I'd love to send all these protesters that are standing up
• 1:58:44
  for something they know nothing about, all eyes on Rafa.
• 1:58:47
  And. And I get it.
• 1:58:49
  It becomes emotional. You see a dead baby.
• 1:58:51
  You know that. Ishmael Hanaya, the head of
• 1:58:54
  Hamas. Do you know anything about
• 1:58:55
  Ishmael? Yeah.
• 1:58:56
  Yeah. Ishmael Hanaya, the head of
• 1:58:58
  Hamas, is worth. He has a four billion net worth.
• 1:59:03
  So here you have the head of a terrorist organization
• 1:59:06
  outwardly. So they rape women, They cut
• 1:59:10
  babies, heads off. For real.
• 1:59:12
  They sincerely cut heads off. We are infidels.
• 1:59:16
  They absolutely go against homosexuality in the Muslim
• 1:59:20
  world. Whether they're radical Muslims
• 1:59:22
  or Muslims, they completely will kill their wives.
• 1:59:25
  That's in the Quran, Read the Quran.
• 1:59:28
  I also suggest everyone to read a book called The Islamic
• 1:59:32
  Invasion. It's very good book.
• 1:59:34
  But Sir, Islam can't work in America.
• 1:59:38
  It can't. Sorry.
• 1:59:40
  I'm crazy to say that. Because there are good Muslims,
• 1:59:42
  right? Yes, there are.
• 1:59:43
  There are good people, right? But an ideology like that
• 1:59:47
  cannot. America would not exist, I hate
• 1:59:49
  to tell you. We would all have our heads cut
• 1:59:51
  off because that's what the Quran says.
• 1:59:54
  And I know Muslims that I love that.
• 1:59:56
  Would you know they get upset when I say that it's the truth.
• 1:59:59
  Read your Quran, maybe you should read it.
• 2:00:02
  You know, I had to have my face covered, But you have all of
• 2:00:06
  these young radicalized people on campuses right now.
• 2:00:10
  And the reason it makes me so sick is because the only freedom
• 2:00:13
  in the Middle East is Israel. Without Israel, they allow
• 2:00:18
  Arabs, Muslim Arabs, to function in their court systems under a
• 2:00:22
  system of law very similar to ours.
• 2:00:25
  It's the only freedom they have. So I would love to take these
• 2:00:30
  college students and including my friends in the in the
• 2:00:33
  entertainment industry that are posting all eyes on Rafa, All
• 2:00:37
  eyes on Rafa. I'm sorry, but the leaders of
• 2:00:41
  that country want this $4 billion.
• 2:00:45
  He will not live in Rafa. The head of Hamas will not live
• 2:00:48
  in Rafa. He's too good.
• 2:00:51
  He has so much, he has protection.
• 2:00:53
  He has everything and billions. And then he barely doles it out
• 2:00:56
  to his to his radical followers. It's so sad.
• 2:01:01
  And they have nothing. They have nothing.
• 2:01:05
  And if you sent these protesters there, they would have nothing
• 2:01:10
  and they would have no freedom. And the fact that they're, you
• 2:01:14
  know, eat the way they eat, walk the way they walk that they're
• 2:01:17
  they're making a choice to be a homosexual or gender neutral,
• 2:01:22
  they would be completely murdered because that's a
• 2:01:26
  murderous religion. They murder you and they do they
• 2:01:30
  kill they they're full of hatred and bigotry beyond any other
• 2:01:35
  religion. And the radicals are so far
• 2:01:38
  October 7th. Do these people not, none of
• 2:01:40
  them posted anything about that very real attack that Hamas
• 2:01:44
  attacked them and Israel's defending themselves and, and,
• 2:01:48
  and the truth. And this is boots on the ground.
• 2:01:50
  If we had boots on the ground showing you they hide their
• 2:01:53
  women and children in the targeted areas so that they can
• 2:01:56
  show it on the news. They hate their own people.
• 2:01:59
  They hate their own people. And then we have Americans
• 2:02:02
  posting on Instagram, dead babies, God forbid.
• 2:02:05
  It's horrible, but Israel has to defend itself.
• 2:02:09
  It has to defend itself and get the hostages.
• 2:02:11
  Nobody understands these things and it makes you so sad because
• 2:02:15
  you have a propaganda machine for the enemy.
• 2:02:20
  That's all we have. And then you have idiots.
• 2:02:23
  They're giving money to a terror organization, including our own
• 2:02:27
  government, to kill it, allow its own people to be killed
• 2:02:30
  because they don't care, so that they can people.
• 2:02:33
  The world will feel sorry for them.
• 2:02:35
  And the only comfort I told my friend who was posting a picture
• 2:02:38
  of a dead baby. It's head was off, it was blown
• 2:02:41
  off. It's horrible by Israel.
• 2:02:43
  The only thing I said is my only comfort is that babies go
• 2:02:48
  straight to heaven. Children go straight to heaven.
• 2:02:51
  And this person doesn't know that.
• 2:02:53
  So I didn't tell them they don't believe in Christ like we do.
• 2:02:56
  But those babies go to heaven and they won't grow up to to
• 2:03:00
  kill each other. That's it.
• 2:03:02
  And that's God's grace. That's anyway.
• 2:03:05
  I know that is so controversial and it shouldn't be, but
• 2:03:08
  whatever. Listen, listen, I like, I like
• 2:03:11
  the fact that you're the controversial one and, and not
• 2:03:13
  me because you know, I'm like I said, I'm, I don't think, I
• 2:03:21
  don't think I'm that controversial, but you know.
• 2:03:25
  We think so because. Well, yeah.
• 2:03:28
  Well, we live in, we live in weird.
• 2:03:30
  We live in weird times. You know, I, I have, I have a
• 2:03:35
  friend who I've known via Twitter now for years.
• 2:03:40
  She lives in Israel and I was actually able to interview her
• 2:03:45
  last year shortly after October 7th.
• 2:03:49
  And it was I'll I'll have to send you.
• 2:03:53
  I'll, I'll have to send it to you.
• 2:03:55
  It was. Yeah, I'd love to listen.
• 2:03:57
  I'd love to listen. It was pretty, you know, and
• 2:04:00
  what she had to say just, you know, from the point of view of
• 2:04:04
  a, you know, of a civilian and. Yeah.
• 2:04:09
  And as a mother and is Israel perfect, you know, No.
• 2:04:15
  Have they made mistakes? Yes, But you know, warfare is
• 2:04:21
  warfare and if if we're going to if if we're going to hate, you
• 2:04:24
  know, if we're going to criticize Israel for what
• 2:04:27
  they're having to do when we always have to criticize Hamas.
• 2:04:31
  And, you know, and the other thing, and I know this is
• 2:04:35
  controversial, but I'm sorry, I don't want Americans, you know,
• 2:04:42
  involved in, you know, the war if we, if we can avoid it.
• 2:04:47
  You know, I, I, I know that your daughter and I are the same age.
• 2:04:53
  We were both kids when 911 happened.
• 2:04:59
  I'm almost 30 and we just got out of a 20 year war in the
• 2:05:06
  Middle East. That's unbelievable.
• 2:05:10
  It is, and it's men getting rich and that's the truth.
• 2:05:14
  It's so many men that have gotten so rich from that war and
• 2:05:18
  it's something it's an and and it's a war of ideology that you
• 2:05:23
  know, you can look at us it now we're very similar, not as bad
• 2:05:28
  where there's missiles, who knows?
• 2:05:32
  It's so sad, you know, there, yes, but it, that's centuries
• 2:05:38
  and centuries that it's, it's never gonna end for them because
• 2:05:42
  of their ideology. It's never going to end.
• 2:05:45
  And that's it should be none of our business.
• 2:05:48
  The reason we went over is 911. I had a, a, a military friend
• 2:05:53
  that, that had to go over and he said think of it this way,
• 2:05:57
  'cause I'm like, why do we have to do this?
• 2:06:00
  It is a, think of it this way. They attacked us.
• 2:06:03
  We have to go there to prevent more from coming here.
• 2:06:07
  We have to go headed off at the pass because there are these
• 2:06:11
  radicals and and I believe they do have cells here.
• 2:06:15
  My prayer is always like you were talking about that, that
• 2:06:19
  the Americans, you know, I always hope and pray those that
• 2:06:22
  are here will see how precious an awesome America is and be
• 2:06:26
  like, if there's freedom here. I've never had it before.
• 2:06:29
  There's a documentary about the Taj Mahal and the and they have
• 2:06:33
  all the terror, you know, they have all of the recordings of
• 2:06:36
  the terrorists and they were going to attack the Taj Mahal
• 2:06:40
  and, and you can hear them. They had never seen a
• 2:06:42
  television. They had never this is real.
• 2:06:45
  Like they, they were so poor. So they were going to do these
• 2:06:50
  things for money. And it was horrific that, you
• 2:06:55
  know, I always hope if they're here, they, they'll be like they
• 2:06:58
  were at the Taj Mahal, like, wait a minute, they have a
• 2:07:01
  television in every room. But it's real when you listen to
• 2:07:04
  this, it's, I think it's called something about the Taj Mahal.
• 2:07:07
  It's a documentary. That's so, it's so good and so
• 2:07:11
  sad. That's what I call boots on the
• 2:07:13
  ground 'cause it's, you know, it's real.
• 2:07:15
  You know, you're getting real information, real radio, the,
• 2:07:19
  the interception. They finally released it, all
• 2:07:21
  the intelligence and and it, it I cried through the whole thing.
• 2:07:25
  I couldn't even believe it. It's so horrific.
• 2:07:28
  And God forbid something like that happens here.
• 2:07:31
  It like 911. But it with our borders being so
• 2:07:35
  unsecure and millions here, millions, it's, it's sadly
• 2:07:41
  inevitable that something is going to happen.
• 2:07:43
  And and you know, here you have people saying all eyes on Gaza.
• 2:07:48
  I'm like, maybe we should put our eyes on what's going on here
• 2:07:53
  and see people that either love America or hate America.
• 2:07:58
  You know, we don't know what's here and, and what they're here
• 2:08:02
  for. And that's, that's a scary
• 2:08:04
  thing. And that's not racism.
• 2:08:06
  That's that's called security and common sense.
• 2:08:12
  Yeah, and what's weird is, you know, like even even 15 years
• 2:08:17
  ago. Sure people were having debates
• 2:08:21
  about immigration policy and what not, but the idea of border
• 2:08:25
  security was shared by Republicans and Democrats like
• 2:08:31
  that was a non. Yes, that good.
• 2:08:34
  I call them good Democrats. We need good Democrats.
• 2:08:38
  Again, it's called common sense, not power.
• 2:08:42
  You have power politics, and there's a difference between
• 2:08:45
  power politics and servants. And these people are supposed to
• 2:08:49
  be elected servants, elected officials, serving the people
• 2:08:53
  and they're serving themselves, they're serving their pockets.
• 2:08:56
  And we're seeing a result of bureaucracy that's grown and
• 2:09:01
  grown and grown to where now it's it's dangerous.
• 2:09:05
  We're at a very dangerous crossroads in history where you
• 2:09:10
  have, like you said, atticles at the helm like activists,
• 2:09:14
  activists, which, which instead of common sense, they're trying
• 2:09:20
  to force something that is, they really believe that, you know,
• 2:09:24
  they believe it's the common good.
• 2:09:26
  That's the scary thing. And and when when people believe
• 2:09:29
  something's good, nothing's more evil.
• 2:09:32
  Nothing's more. Nothing more evil can come about
• 2:09:34
  than people thinking that the world is good.
• 2:09:38
  There's nothing more evil and sinister that's going to come
• 2:09:41
  from good people that really believe in something.
• 2:09:45
  And they're like, you know, but but The thing is, I really
• 2:09:49
  believe this with all my heart. And, and like you said, the
• 2:09:51
  bullshit meter, I think that they have opened the borders
• 2:09:55
  purposely because all of those are votes so that they can
• 2:09:59
  secure power forever. Like I believe that with all my
• 2:10:03
  heart because these people are going to be fed and sheltered
• 2:10:09
  and given money. And then you have veterans that
• 2:10:12
  are left in the street. I mean, you could go on and on
• 2:10:14
  about how sinister it is. And then we're going to have
• 2:10:17
  crime that we can't handle. We're going to have welfare we
• 2:10:20
  can't cover. We're going to collapse.
• 2:10:22
  A nation can't do what we're doing it it will collapse.
• 2:10:26
  Every great nation rises and falls.
• 2:10:28
  Rome was one of the greatest nations.
• 2:10:31
  If you read all about Rome, we're very similar, but greater
• 2:10:34
  America is the longest of any empire.
• 2:10:38
  And we are supposed to be a Republic, not a not a democracy.
• 2:10:42
  And this is where people get it wrong.
• 2:10:44
  Oh, this is a, you know, they keep saying to each other on
• 2:10:48
  both sides, that's a threat to democracy, a threat to
• 2:10:52
  democracy. You know what a threat to
• 2:10:54
  democracy is a democracy. We're supposed to be a Republic
• 2:11:00
  with a system of checks and balances.
• 2:11:02
  We're supposed to be a civilized country That that law and order
• 2:11:09
  is important. But but what happens with a
• 2:11:12
  democracy? You end up with the stupidest
• 2:11:16
  people. I'm being honest, the dumbest
• 2:11:18
  human beings at the helm and maybe end up being dictators.
• 2:11:23
  You end up with thugs at the helm of every democracy.
• 2:11:28
  A democracy doesn't work all the into history.
• 2:11:32
  It it's being dissolved before our eyes because it's not a
• 2:11:36
  democracy. You have the, the, the most
• 2:11:39
  powerful people, and I don't mean to be mean, but they're not
• 2:11:43
  enlightened people. They're dumb people that think
• 2:11:46
  they're smart. They're arrogant dictators, just
• 2:11:49
  like every dictator. They think they know the common
• 2:11:52
  good for the people and the people are stupid.
• 2:11:53
  They're no longer servants for the good they are.
• 2:11:57
  They are over. They lured their power over the
• 2:12:01
  weak. And that's what we have and it's
• 2:12:03
  terrifying. And that's what a democracy is.
• 2:12:06
  And I'm sad that we don't know that the people aren't taught
• 2:12:09
  that what a Republic is versus we're one Republic.
• 2:12:13
  And it should be that way. And we, and nationalism is a
• 2:12:17
  good thing and it causes borders and it causes another country to
• 2:12:21
  be independent on their own and, and, and their business and us
• 2:12:26
  to have our business. You know what I mean?
• 2:12:28
  And I love that we have states rights and even the I could go
• 2:12:31
  on and on. I don't know why I'm blabbing on
• 2:12:33
  this stuff. I'm not, I'm not a political
• 2:12:35
  person, but I get sad because I feel like people are very
• 2:12:38
  uneducated and, and, and I get sad for what's happening to our
• 2:12:43
  country because it's, it's a lot of idiots that are very wealthy
• 2:12:48
  and they're, it's like they take a bribe and they, they don't
• 2:12:51
  care about us. They don't care about us.
• 2:12:54
  They care about their power and their money and, and they're
• 2:12:57
  going to get it and they're going to politicize.
• 2:13:00
  You know, I think Dennis Quaid said it best.
• 2:13:05
  I heard him the other day and I was shocked because Hollywood
• 2:13:08
  will frown on him when you politicize, when you weaponize
• 2:13:13
  the courts the way they've done. And and there's not, there's not
• 2:13:18
  a court of, of your peers. They're not your peers.
• 2:13:21
  They're not your peers when they politically are leaning once
• 2:13:25
  what one way every single one of them, every single one of them
• 2:13:28
  look at them and and they won't allow you to see into the court.
• 2:13:32
  There was a reason they don't allow you to see into the court
• 2:13:34
  because there was not only a bias with each one of them.
• 2:13:37
  And and and I don't, I don't love Trump.
• 2:13:40
  I I don't like his personality, but it's the principle that the,
• 2:13:45
  if this happens once it you know, my only hope is that their
• 2:13:50
  crimes fall back on their heads because they're binding the
• 2:13:54
  hands of a political opponent. It was like here was someone
• 2:13:58
  that never was gonna run for the presidency, and now he's being
• 2:14:02
  put through a kangaroo court of arrogant stupid.
• 2:14:08
  Not they're not and they are stupid.
• 2:14:11
  They're not it. It's odd.
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  They don't have honest objectivity, and they're not.
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  They're not what is not what is the word they're.
• 2:14:22
  They're. Not, and they're not objective,
• 2:14:25
  but there's a word that the courts, you know, go by that
• 2:14:29
  you're supposed and it's it's a law for them.
• 2:14:32
  They're supposed to have expediency, not expediency.
• 2:14:36
  It's another word and I don't know why it left my head.
• 2:14:38
  I've been talking to my husband about it, but they don't have it
• 2:14:42
  and it's evil. It's like, my gosh, you know, my
• 2:14:46
  friend goes, I can't believe he was convicted on all 34 accounts
• 2:14:51
  or indict, you know, indicted and, and, and convicted on all
• 2:14:55
  34 accounts. I said, of course he was.
• 2:14:58
  That's what they wanted to do when they did it.
• 2:15:01
  They did what they wanted. Can I that's simple.
• 2:15:04
  Like, of course they did. There was not one person in
• 2:15:08
  there that was objective or or had the law, not the law of
• 2:15:14
  expediency. I'll, I'll think of it.
• 2:15:15
  They have no, not prudence. You know where they're just
• 2:15:20
  looking at the law. They're not looking at the
• 2:15:22
  person. They're looking at the laws,
• 2:15:25
  really looking at the laws. It's caught.
• 2:15:26
  It's a word I'll think of later, but none of them functioned by
• 2:15:30
  it. And that's, I feel like they
• 2:15:32
  should all go to jail for that. I feel like if I, I'm not a, I'm
• 2:15:37
  not one of your peers sitting in court, if I automatic say it was
• 2:15:41
  a prostitute and I hate prostitutes.
• 2:15:43
  I hate them. I hate prostitutes.
• 2:15:46
  I've been outspoken about it and I put money into people that
• 2:15:50
  persecute prostitution. I, I put my, I'm just making a,
• 2:15:53
  a, you know, a, an example and I have a real bias and my, my, you
• 2:15:58
  know, my, something happened to my family that makes me hate
• 2:16:02
  them even more. All I'm going to do is sit there
• 2:16:05
  and prosecute this person. That's all I'm going to do.
• 2:16:08
  I'm going to find anything wrong.
• 2:16:10
  And it's even bigger than that. You have a someone that's I
• 2:16:15
  just, it's, it's crazy. I just don't believe anything
• 2:16:18
  anymore. And it's and it, and it's
• 2:16:19
  terrifying. Can I, can I ask since you
• 2:16:24
  brought up the court, you know, the whole kangaroo court thing.
• 2:16:29
  I wasn't initially going to bring to bring this up, but you
• 2:16:33
  broke I. Don't know where it came from,
• 2:16:34
  sorry. No, no, it's, it's OK.
• 2:16:38
  You, you broached this topic, but I, I have to bring it up.
• 2:16:43
  I, I am, well, I, I am glad that we, that we did this on Monday
• 2:16:49
  because we, you know, we were initially thinking of doing this
• 2:16:52
  what, Friday and then that's when the whole news broke, you
• 2:16:55
  know, about the, about. The.
• 2:16:59
  And in all the news articles that I read, both Barbara Moore,
• 2:17:09
  who I know, who you know, and Karen McDougal, both of them
• 2:17:12
  were brought up in various articles.
• 2:17:16
  And let me just say from the outset, I don't know what their
• 2:17:22
  relationship with him was like and I don't care.
• 2:17:28
  People have asked me to comment on it and I, you know, I don't
• 2:17:33
  know anything so. I know that Karen had a a
• 2:17:36
  relationship with them that she's outspoken about.
• 2:17:40
  I think Barbara dated him a little bit.
• 2:17:42
  But you know, those are things way before he even knew he was
• 2:17:45
  going to become president. In his defense, Another thing
• 2:17:49
  is, you know, it, it's like people do not only change or get
• 2:17:55
  married and move on or whatever. He's not a perfect man.
• 2:17:58
  Again, back to Hugh Hefner. I, I don't, I don't think that,
• 2:18:02
  you know, a lot of people are like, oh, he's disgusting,
• 2:18:04
  womanize or blah, blah, blah. I don't believe the allegations
• 2:18:08
  against him either because women fell at his feet, not because of
• 2:18:12
  his money. I'm just being real, his money
• 2:18:14
  and his power. But that said, all that aside, I
• 2:18:18
  don't care about that either, just like I didn't with Clinton
• 2:18:22
  and the girl, you know, under the desk.
• 2:18:25
  If you're leading the country, lead the country and the things
• 2:18:30
  that you did are, are people better off now than they were
• 2:18:34
  four years ago? Those are the things you want to
• 2:18:36
  ask. Can I afford groceries?
• 2:18:38
  Can I feed my children? Can I fill up my gas tank?
• 2:18:42
  Can I talk? Do I have my First Amendment
• 2:18:45
  right? You know, am I going to go to
• 2:18:46
  jail because I don't believe in in something somebody wants me
• 2:18:49
  to believe? Am I going to get arrested for
• 2:18:52
  not calling you? She what things make life better
• 2:18:56
  and and are we safer and are is there a system of law and order?
• 2:19:00
  That's what I care about, whether Barbara slept with him
• 2:19:05
  or whatever. And I love Barbara.
• 2:19:06
  She's my friend. I love her and she loves Trump.
• 2:19:08
  She's like go Trump. And I think that that's great.
• 2:19:11
  We have the right to do that. And the word I was looking for
• 2:19:15
  was impartial. They take an oath to be
• 2:19:18
  impartial and that's true justice as being impartial.
• 2:19:21
  And they were all partial in every way.
• 2:19:24
  They looked at him with seething eyes, with hatred.
• 2:19:27
  And that's why they wouldn't let us look.
• 2:19:28
  That's why they didn't let the cameras in there, because they
• 2:19:31
  don't know the law. They they feel stupid.
• 2:19:34
  And I believe that. I believe we should have been
• 2:19:36
  able to see in. But then there are people that
• 2:19:38
  believe something or want you to believe it so bad they're going
• 2:19:41
  to parrot things and and parrot whatever without their own
• 2:19:45
  thinking 'cause they hate him. It's almost an irrational
• 2:19:49
  hatred. And hatred spreads like
• 2:19:51
  wildfire. And hatred is fun and hatred.
• 2:19:55
  I know that sounds gross, but it's true.
• 2:19:56
  It's part of the lust pattern of our sin nature.
• 2:19:59
  It is hatred is fun for people. It makes them feel good about
• 2:20:03
  themselves. When someone is suffering, they
• 2:20:06
  feel great. It's evil and and that's not
• 2:20:09
  justice. Justice looks at, even if you
• 2:20:13
  don't like someone, it looks at the law and it looks at the
• 2:20:17
  behavior not of their past behavior, which makes no sense.
• 2:20:21
  It's none of our business what he did back then.
• 2:20:24
  It it's our business about what's happening in our country
• 2:20:28
  and who's going to lead it, who's a good leader.
• 2:20:31
  And and I want a leader. I don't want a mush mouth ice
• 2:20:35
  cream eating retard. I don't.
• 2:20:37
  And I don't mean and I never say bad things about people or even
• 2:20:41
  our leaders because I respect the office.
• 2:20:43
  I don't believe, and this is, I can't believe I'm saying this,
• 2:20:46
  but I'm going to say it because maybe no one will hear this
• 2:20:48
  anyway, but I'm saying it. I really want to know if the
• 2:20:52
  elections were fair. I want to know the real thing
• 2:20:55
  about this insurrection that they use.
• 2:20:58
  Yeah, there are weirdos on both sides.
• 2:21:00
  And if there are weird maggot people, they should be in
• 2:21:03
  trouble. I, with all my heart, I believe
• 2:21:05
  that. And so did Trump.
• 2:21:07
  So does Trump. He even said it.
• 2:21:09
  He said if these people, they should be arrested if they did
• 2:21:13
  something wrong. But they, if you look at all the
• 2:21:16
  evidence, which I saw with my own eyes, the things that they
• 2:21:19
  released, I'm like, why did they tell security to stand down?
• 2:21:25
  Why did they tell the people to come in?
• 2:21:28
  I want to know these things that I don't want to hear what just
• 2:21:32
  sound bites of it's an insurrection.
• 2:21:34
  He's a threat to democracy. You know, I, I'm not dumb, I'm
• 2:21:39
  not stupid. I'm like you, I have a radar.
• 2:21:42
  I can see bullshit. And I'm like, no, I we've, we
• 2:21:46
  can't be silent anymore. I want to know the truth.
• 2:21:48
  Show me the truth. If even if I hate Trump's guts
• 2:21:51
  and I don't want him to be president, I want to know the
• 2:21:53
  truth. I don't want certainly, you know
• 2:21:56
  what I mean by that? Like, I'm not going to just duck
• 2:21:59
  my head in the ground and just listen to everybody like the
• 2:22:02
  mob, like, oh, yeah, you guys think it.
• 2:22:04
  I think it. And then also, it's like I saw
• 2:22:09
  with my own eyes that I believed to be real those vote
• 2:22:13
  harvesters. And then how in the world if
• 2:22:16
  they really recorded all of those votes and it's more votes
• 2:22:20
  than anybody's ever voted, I don't believe it because I knew
• 2:22:23
  people that had always voted Democrat personally that voted
• 2:22:28
  for Trump. So all of us really thought he
• 2:22:31
  had it. I mean, when you saw all the
• 2:22:33
  people. So I do want, I do question
• 2:22:35
  that. And that's my American right to
• 2:22:37
  question. I feel like we should have paper
• 2:22:39
  ballots and whoever wins wins. I get that.
• 2:22:42
  But I just in my heart of hearts don't believe what is at the
• 2:22:46
  helm of like, you know, the leader of the free world is our
• 2:22:51
  leader of the free world. I don't feel like he really is.
• 2:22:55
  He's not I, it's sad. I, I, I respect the office of
• 2:22:59
  presidency, but I've never seen anything like this when
• 2:23:03
  someone's senile and, and everybody knows that the
• 2:23:07
  Democrats, he's got the even Democrats with any clue have,
• 2:23:11
  you know, they're so ashamed and embarrassed and it's so sad
• 2:23:16
  what's happening. And, and I wish we had someone
• 2:23:19
  good to vote for, but I'm with, I'm with Dennis Quaid.
• 2:23:23
  I am totally with Dennis Quaid. I mean, I'm standing for what's
• 2:23:27
  right. And it's the principle at this
• 2:23:29
  point. I would rather have somebody who
• 2:23:31
  respects good leadership and, and, and you know, I think he
• 2:23:36
  made a few mistakes during the pandemic, but but he's listening
• 2:23:40
  to the experts. He's listening to our good
• 2:23:44
  military leaders. I think he, as a businessman,
• 2:23:47
  understands what's at stake here.
• 2:23:50
  And, and you have far left radicals who hate capitalism.
• 2:23:54
  And that's what makes America great.
• 2:23:56
  You just, there's got to be a system of checks and balances so
• 2:24:00
  that greed doesn't dictate. That's it.
• 2:24:04
  It's that simple. But people are afraid of
• 2:24:07
  capitalism. But yet they're the very people,
• 2:24:10
  you know why, Sam? The human nature.
• 2:24:13
  You listen, you listen to CNN, I tell people this, the sound
• 2:24:17
  bites on all of these far left, they're really activists.
• 2:24:22
  They're not journalists. If you listen to what they say,
• 2:24:25
  they're projecting their flaws on to their opponent.
• 2:24:28
  So that's scary. You keep hearing that Trump's
• 2:24:30
  gonna round us up and blah, blah, blah.
• 2:24:33
  It's like that's what they want to do.
• 2:24:36
  That's what they want to do to the people that don't go along
• 2:24:38
  with them. I believe that.
• 2:24:40
  Well, I believe that. I believe they're the ones that
• 2:24:42
  are like, you shut up, Christian.
• 2:24:44
  You shut up capitalist. You shut up nationalist.
• 2:24:49
  Well, well, I you know, I like, they hate.
• 2:24:52
  That. Well, I actually had this
• 2:24:54
  argument with someone. So I I'm a bit addicted to
• 2:24:59
  Twitter as anyone who who spends any time on there, we'll know
• 2:25:04
  Like I'm I'm constantly on Twitter.
• 2:25:07
  And I and I had this back. And forth with someone who was
• 2:25:11
  like, you know, Trump's the next Hitler and Trump's going to
• 2:25:15
  round everyone up. And my response was.
• 2:25:18
  We all, well, we already had, we already had one.
• 2:25:21
  Term of him, if he was going to do if he was going to round
• 2:25:25
  people up, he could have done it the first go round, he could
• 2:25:29
  have done it day one and it didn't have well and and the
• 2:25:34
  rational the rationalization was well he didn't have his
• 2:25:37
  structure in place to do so and it's like.
• 2:25:42
  What? How is that?
• 2:25:44
  With Pizarro, Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make sense.
• 2:25:49
  Hitler. What's so crazy is do they even?
• 2:25:53
  But these are the very people that are standing for people
• 2:25:56
  that kill Jews, that hate Jews, hate them.
• 2:25:59
  They're it's so bizarre to me that, you know, these are people
• 2:26:04
  that that are standing for anti-Semitism if you look into
• 2:26:09
  it very deeply, but are calling Trump who loves America, who was
• 2:26:14
  very patriotic. That's that's not Nazi
• 2:26:16
  communism. It's the opposite.
• 2:26:18
  They're they're the fascist. So everything that that these,
• 2:26:23
  that the far left does very clearly, this is just
• 2:26:26
  objectivity. And I know some socialist
• 2:26:29
  that'll tell you, yes, I believe this.
• 2:26:31
  I they believe in socialism. It's not far from Nazism.
• 2:26:35
  It's not far. And, and, and what's so crazy is
• 2:26:40
  they're calling him Hitler. It's like, and, and that he's
• 2:26:44
  racist. Where did they get that?
• 2:26:45
  He's, he's again back to Hugh Hefner.
• 2:26:48
  He's one that was friends with Hef that put black, black women
• 2:26:54
  very wealthy, like put them in business, help them with
• 2:26:59
  businesses or wanted them to succeed.
• 2:27:01
  He wants people to succeed. That's the reality of it.
• 2:27:05
  And so where they come, where they're coming from, it doesn't
• 2:27:10
  make sense to me where they're coming from, Sam.
• 2:27:13
  And when they say these things, I'm just like, that is so scary
• 2:27:17
  that they think someone that wants to make America great
• 2:27:20
  again, which think of that as a beautiful thing to make America
• 2:27:24
  great again because it's not anymore.
• 2:27:26
  I'm just being honest. Like I look around and we've
• 2:27:29
  never had such homeless and where I live homeless and it's
• 2:27:35
  been crime and and no accountability and, and, and
• 2:27:40
  they overlooked that. Don't look at that.
• 2:27:43
  But somehow that's they, they make it racist so they can stay
• 2:27:47
  in power. As far as I'm concerned, that's
• 2:27:49
  as simple as it is. They stay in power by telling
• 2:27:53
  people, you know, that this man's race.
• 2:27:56
  It's so weird. He's racist.
• 2:27:59
  Like show me where, where he's ever said white pride.
• 2:28:03
  When has he ever said, you know it?
• 2:28:06
  It doesn't even make sense. Hitler was vile.
• 2:28:09
  He killed 6,000,000 Jews, killed them 6,000,000 have them
• 2:28:13
  annihilated. Like how?
• 2:28:16
  How can you compare that? That's almost well, to me.
• 2:28:20
  It is satanic, it's demonic, it's evil, it's from the pits of
• 2:28:23
  hell. If you say that American
• 2:28:25
  nationalism, which is every color, the melting pot, it's
• 2:28:29
  every, every culture, every religion, that's what America's
• 2:28:32
  supposed to be. But we stand for a country
• 2:28:35
  that's free under one flag. That's beautiful.
• 2:28:39
  Every American, wherever they come from, every race, creed,
• 2:28:43
  all of it. That's what he stood for in
• 2:28:47
  every sense of the word. And then it they, they shut
• 2:28:51
  people's mouths that, you know, especially they don't want to
• 2:28:55
  hear a, a, an intelligent black person that loves America.
• 2:29:00
  They don't wanna, you know, they push the Larry elders out.
• 2:29:03
  They push people who have common sense out and don't want anyone
• 2:29:07
  to hear them. So crazy, 'cause we have great
• 2:29:12
  Americans and they don't look at their skin color.
• 2:29:15
  They don't, you know, anything or disabilities.
• 2:29:18
  Nobody looks at that. If you're functioning right with
• 2:29:21
  America, you don't, you don't you?
• 2:29:24
  You look at what's fundamentally right.
• 2:29:27
  And that should be all of us as responsible Americans.
• 2:29:31
  And there are a lot of Democrats speaking out right now about
• 2:29:34
  what's going on with weaponizing the courts because it's coming
• 2:29:37
  back to them. You don't want this.
• 2:29:38
  You don't want to open this Pandora's box.
• 2:29:41
  You don't want to do it. So, you know, a lot of them are
• 2:29:45
  speaking out, saying that, you know, they're partial.
• 2:29:47
  This is not an impartial court. This is not it's all obvious.
• 2:29:51
  And then you have a president that's smiling on the, you know,
• 2:29:54
  he, I saw him grin when they said what do, what do you think
• 2:29:57
  about the verdict? And he thinks it's funny.
• 2:29:59
  And that's, you know, nobody's above the law.
• 2:30:04
  You know, neither are you, neither are you lying.
• 2:30:08
  You know, all these people that make up lies, it's bizarre or
• 2:30:12
  opinion. They, they go by opinion instead
• 2:30:15
  of honesty and, and being objective and, and getting all
• 2:30:19
  the facts because they just want the power and want to be right.
• 2:30:22
  None of us should think that way anyway.
• 2:30:25
  Yeah, now that's my opinion. That's my.
• 2:30:30
  Opinion boy. Well, if you.
• 2:30:34
  Know what I I probably better let you go.
• 2:30:35
  It's already 2:00. I have to feed my dogs.
• 2:30:40
  No, no, it's fine. I've enjoyed.
• 2:30:42
  I've enjoyed having you. We're on this long, Sam.
• 2:30:45
  It's so fun talking to you. Yeah, likewise.
• 2:30:49
  I I enjoyed having you and you know you're you're welcome back
• 2:30:56
  at a time. I I I love this.
• 2:30:59
  You know, me too. This was fun.
• 2:31:02
  And I guess one last question I have is, is do you have anything
• 2:31:08
  you'd like to promote or? Anything I'd like to what?
• 2:31:12
  To promote or you know where can.
• 2:31:15
  People buy well, the Bunny Chronicles.
• 2:31:17
  We're we're we haven't been real consistent.
• 2:31:19
  I ended up with breast cancer and that kind of threw us for a
• 2:31:22
  loop. But anyway, yeah, the Bunny
• 2:31:25
  chronicles, it's on most platforms.
• 2:31:28
  What else? Just my I mean, I don't have
• 2:31:31
  very many followers on Instagram.
• 2:31:33
  My original Instagram was hacked a long time ago.
• 2:31:36
  Let's see, but you could go to, I think it's I have three
• 2:31:40
  different ones now. I have my Corina playmate of the
• 2:31:43
  year 1, my Corina Harney one and my Harney Jones one.
• 2:31:47
  Ridiculous. But then I have my Facebook,
• 2:31:49
  Corina Harney Facebook and a movie that we're still
• 2:31:56
  finishing, but I may as well plug it.
• 2:31:59
  It's going to be called Vegas Bloodbath.
• 2:32:01
  It's a crazy slasher comedy that I'm playing a a former iconic
• 2:32:06
  wrestler and and she goes on a rampage.
• 2:32:09
  So anyway, silly fun. And then, gosh, I should just, I
• 2:32:15
  don't know how many followers followers you have.
• 2:32:17
  I should just go start a GoFundMe and tell them to give
• 2:32:20
  me money. Just kidding.
• 2:32:21
  I'm totally kidding. I don't have anything really to
• 2:32:23
  promote Sam. No, no.
• 2:32:26
  Well, I always like to give my guests, you know, an opportunity
• 2:32:29
  to do so. You know, wow, this was this was
• 2:32:35
  a. Way.
• 2:32:37
  You know, longer and deep, deeper conversation than I
• 2:32:41
  thought would, but I love it. I'm here for.
• 2:32:45
  No, no. I listen, I, I love, I love
• 2:32:49
  these, you know, conversations and I'm going to post the whole
• 2:32:53
  thing. I find it.
• 2:32:56
  I know I didn't tell you this, but the name of, you know, the
• 2:32:59
  name of my podcast network is called Right to Offend Media and
• 2:33:04
  oh, you know. Awesome.
• 2:33:08
  We we have all sorts of different voices and we don't
• 2:33:13
  censor. And so your opinion is
• 2:33:16
  definitely welcome and feel free.
• 2:33:18
  To. Come back anytime.
• 2:33:21
  So perfect. Well, thank you so much.
• 2:33:24
  Thanks for having me on. It was fun.
• 2:33:26
  Fun that I got to offend people. Well, you know, you might have
• 2:33:32
  offended a few people, but I'm sure you've gained a whole lot.
• 2:33:36
  You know, I was already a fan of yours, but my admiration for you
• 2:33:41
  just skyrocketed even more than thank.
• 2:33:45
  You, Sam, reading your book. Everyone needs to read your
• 2:33:48
  book. I need to post me reading it
• 2:33:50
  and, and put it out there and on my Facebook because you're such
• 2:33:56
  an excellent writer and you're a brilliant mind and I'm grateful
• 2:34:00
  for people like you. I was telling my daughter about
• 2:34:02
  you, 'cause you're the same age. And I was telling her.
• 2:34:05
  I said it's people like Sam. I feel like there's hope for
• 2:34:08
  America. I just do.
• 2:34:09
  I feel like there's hope for us. And that's.
• 2:34:12
  Oh, awesome. Thank you.
• 2:34:13
  So. I I feel I feel the same way
• 2:34:16
  about you about you and you know, echo your your Co host the
• 2:34:22
  fact that you. Guys are.
• 2:34:24
  The fact that you guys are sticking up against Hansel
• 2:34:27
  Coulter, which you know, and and she's ferocious, Yeah, love her
• 2:34:36
  in a very. Good way, yes.
• 2:34:38
  Yeah, I know. I kind of, I, I tell her because
• 2:34:42
  there's been a few times just 'cause I don't ever want to
• 2:34:45
  slander anyone's character and I don't like to gossip.
• 2:34:48
  I'm not, I've, I just, it's a principle in me.
• 2:34:50
  It's ingrained in me. But when it comes to standing up
• 2:34:53
  for truth or standing up for someone, I don't want a
• 2:34:56
  character assassinate, but I want to call people out, you
• 2:34:59
  know? But I tell her let's, I think
• 2:35:02
  some, there's been a few times where I'm like, I just don't
• 2:35:06
  want to get into a war with someone.
• 2:35:07
  I'm, I don't have the energy because they'll take you down.
• 2:35:12
  And, and that's sad. It's sad, but not that I care.
• 2:35:15
  At least I, I know I have God and, and, and you know, he's my
• 2:35:19
  vindicator. It doesn't matter if the world
• 2:35:21
  hates me, you know, and I need to just relax about those
• 2:35:26
  things. But sometimes I get, I get funny
• 2:35:28
  because there's a few people we could get into a war with
• 2:35:30
  because especially echo, where she'll be vicious.
• 2:35:34
  She will, she's vicious. I'm like, don't, I don't, I'm
• 2:35:39
  like, I'm more like, I don't want to, I don't want to get in
• 2:35:42
  a fight with I don't want to call people names.
• 2:35:45
  I don't care if they call us names.
• 2:35:47
  But they've been mean to her. There's been people and all
• 2:35:50
  these trolls and they, they're so mean and and they just stick
• 2:35:54
  with the people they love. They're they you know, I hate to
• 2:35:57
  bring up girls next door, but a lot of young girls just watch
• 2:36:00
  the show and meet and you know, they don't know anything about
• 2:36:03
  the magazine. They just love the girls and
• 2:36:05
  that's awesome. They're fans and and that's and
• 2:36:08
  those girls are famous and they're adorable, but I mean,
• 2:36:12
  they have these already. We're getting trolls and people
• 2:36:16
  saying look at you guys are old and blah, blah, blah, and
• 2:36:19
  calling us fat and old and, you know, whatever.
• 2:36:22
  And it, it's just superficial and it's silly, but it's it, you
• 2:36:27
  know, they have their, their fangirls and they, they don't
• 2:36:30
  want, they just believe anything they hear from their, you know,
• 2:36:35
  people that they, they admire. That's it.
• 2:36:40
  Well, a lot, well a lot of them are also probably mad because
• 2:36:46
  their boyfriend, their boyfriends and or husbands, you
• 2:36:49
  know, like Playboy and for some reason that makes them insecure
• 2:36:54
  and. Yeah.
• 2:36:56
  That's not your guy's problem, that's that's their problem.
• 2:37:00
  But. Well, it's also like I said,
• 2:37:02
  there's narratives and people's truth and you and you can't step
• 2:37:06
  on what their experience might be.
• 2:37:08
  But you know, some of them exaggerate or even lie.
• 2:37:12
  And then they have fans that follow them and say, oh, you
• 2:37:16
  know, I I believe everything they say.
• 2:37:18
  So when they hear the truth, see if you believe, if you if you
• 2:37:23
  believe the if you believe a lie, you reject the truth or
• 2:37:27
  other way around when you reject the truth, you believe the lie.
• 2:37:31
  That's just sadly common sense. People don't realize.
• 2:37:35
  But if you reject the truth, you believe the lie in anything.
• 2:37:39
  And, and a lot of these people, you know, they already reject
• 2:37:44
  the truth of anything and then they believe lies.
• 2:37:47
  And sometimes you're part of that.
• 2:37:49
  That's what's crazy. If you're in the public eye at
• 2:37:52
  all or on a podcast at all, you're gonna be the brunt of
• 2:37:56
  attack. It is what it is.
• 2:37:58
  You're gonna have people that believe, you know, they, they
• 2:38:02
  don't want the truth or they have their own truth.
• 2:38:05
  Everybody always says it's my truth, but what's truth to you?
• 2:38:10
  If if I had an experience that goes against your truth, that's
• 2:38:15
  not truth, that's a lie. You know what I mean?
• 2:38:19
  And then these young girls that are listening to these liars and
• 2:38:23
  they are liars and exaggerators and then manipulators and, and
• 2:38:28
  narcissists, they listen to that.
• 2:38:31
  And then the people who are narcissists say that other
• 2:38:35
  people are narcissists. That's what's going on out
• 2:38:37
  there. It's it cracks me up sometimes I
• 2:38:39
  listen and I go, my gosh, that's a real narcissist calling
• 2:38:43
  someone else a narcissist. And then these young girls are
• 2:38:46
  like, I love her. She's perfect and she's and I
• 2:38:50
  know that she's right. So you guys are lying.
• 2:38:53
  Hef was a rapist and a this and a that.
• 2:38:56
  And it's like, Oh my gosh, I, I didn't even know I'd defend, be
• 2:39:00
  defending a dead man here. But here we are, Sam.
• 2:39:03
  Yeah, I never, I never thought so either.
• 2:39:07
  So, but you know. So it's just, you know, it's
• 2:39:12
  what it is. But it was so good being on your
• 2:39:14
  show. Yeah, I never thought I'd be
• 2:39:17
  have to defend the fact that I like that, I like women and
• 2:39:21
  there's nothing wrong with that, but here we are.
• 2:39:24
  It's just. Oh, you misogynist, you dusting.
• 2:39:27
  You're so gross, Sam, that you like that you find women
• 2:39:31
  attractive. That's so weird.
• 2:39:34
  You should find men attractive. You should find men that think
• 2:39:38
  they're women attract, you know, think they're women.
• 2:39:40
  You should find those men attractive only.
• 2:39:44
  Yeah, yeah. When, when, when Playboy put
• 2:39:49
  that cover out after half died. I was like, OK, it's.
• 2:39:53
  Well, heck would have had nothing to do with that.
• 2:39:56
  He knew what the hot blooded American male liked.
• 2:39:59
  He knew what the hot blooded American male liked.
• 2:40:03
  And there's nothing wrong with masculinity and and and a man
• 2:40:06
  finding a real feminine woman attractive.
• 2:40:10
  Well, that's that's the odd thing is, is people are like,
• 2:40:13
  well, well, half was for LGBT, right.
• 2:40:16
  And it's like, well, yes, he might have been, but he was also
• 2:40:20
  a businessman and understood his target demographics.
• 2:40:24
  This is. Also.
• 2:40:25
  You know what sold that magazine?
• 2:40:27
  Absolutely. Well, the sports.
• 2:40:30
  Yeah, heterosexual males. Sorry, it was heterosexual males
• 2:40:35
  that and, and he had every right under freedom to make a magazine
• 2:40:39
  like that and to make all of the money that he made.
• 2:40:41
  And no one should take down an empire, which they did by
• 2:40:46
  putting Well, for one thing, I have a friend that transitioned
• 2:40:50
  when I say friend, we're not like good friends or anything,
• 2:40:53
  but transitioned and we had a conversation because at least
• 2:40:56
  they were objective. Here you go.
• 2:40:59
  And she was a beautiful girl. Little tiny little thing took
• 2:41:03
  hormones, which I don't even you know, that's a whole other
• 2:41:06
  subject, Sam, because I'm, you know, I don't wish, I don't wish
• 2:41:11
  a hormone problems on anyone. All of us going through
• 2:41:13
  menopause, horrific. It's why would you take hormones
• 2:41:18
  and do weird things to your body?
• 2:41:19
  Our hormones are a big deal. Our hormones matter and we're
• 2:41:23
  made a certain way. So that said, a lot of these
• 2:41:27
  doctors are horrible. Aside from being butchers,
• 2:41:30
  they're putting hormones in young people whose brains aren't
• 2:41:33
  even because of their hormones. They're not making rational
• 2:41:37
  decisions anyway. And then their 20s to give
• 2:41:39
  someone hormones. So I I have a friend that was
• 2:41:42
  transitioning, taking testosterone, turning into a
• 2:41:44
  dude all the hair. But I said I was I could be very
• 2:41:49
  honest with this person that's about your age.
• 2:41:52
  And I said, do you ever I said, you know, I and I said it in a
• 2:41:57
  kind way because I never want to hurt anyone's feelings.
• 2:41:59
  But I said in a way, you're a liar.
• 2:42:03
  And she, I was still calling her she that became he it she, he,
• 2:42:08
  you know, it, it whatever said to me or not, whatever, you
• 2:42:13
  know, they want to be respected as he now.
• 2:42:16
  So he said, what do you mean a liar?
• 2:42:20
  I said, well, are you right off the bat telling people I'm, I'm
• 2:42:24
  really, you know, I've transitioned from female.
• 2:42:27
  And he said, why would I have to do that?
• 2:42:29
  I I said, because you don't have a penis like that simple.
• 2:42:34
  You don't have a penis. That's why and, and she said,
• 2:42:38
  well, it shouldn't matter if someone loves you.
• 2:42:40
  I said it does. And and I said, because if you
• 2:42:44
  fall in love or make someone fall in love with you and they
• 2:42:47
  think that you're a man and they fall madly in love with you and
• 2:42:50
  they, their whole desire, they want to have a family and kids
• 2:42:54
  and you can't give them kids. And, and, and then you, you
• 2:42:58
  didn't tell them up front, you know, if you're a liar.
• 2:43:02
  If somebody did that to me, if my husband was really a female
• 2:43:06
  and I fell in love with him and I really thought he's it.
• 2:43:10
  And even if as a Christian, if you were saving yourself for
• 2:43:13
  marriage and then all of a sudden you're in the bedroom and
• 2:43:16
  you're like, what the hell. Like what?
• 2:43:22
  It's it's mind blowingly wrong. That's a liar that that's a mind
• 2:43:27
  F that is that's you're basically a liar.
• 2:43:31
  You have to tell someone up front to be fair and to be
• 2:43:33
  right. Anyway, the same person ended up
• 2:43:36
  in an all male job and didn't even understand the psychology
• 2:43:40
  of male versus female and was never in a room of just males as
• 2:43:44
  a male. So came came over to my because
• 2:43:49
  it was my friend's my daughter's friend and was mortified and
• 2:43:53
  said I did not know guys were this gross.
• 2:43:56
  I didn't know guys were this gross.
• 2:43:58
  I don't know if I can work there and here with the beard, this
• 2:44:02
  little stocking now because of all the hormones, like, you
• 2:44:05
  know, deep voice now, but but like I didn't know.
• 2:44:09
  I didn't know that that guys were this gross.
• 2:44:12
  They don't they'd say the grossest things.
• 2:44:13
  They rip ass, they're farting. They're like all these things
• 2:44:17
  that this job, like it's an all male and they're and they're
• 2:44:21
  talking about women and they're talking about things that men
• 2:44:24
  talk about in private. And I get that.
• 2:44:27
  I mean, I'm, I'm one of the guys, guys, guys are guys.
• 2:44:30
  There is a difference between. So I, I just, I'm like, that's
• 2:44:36
  what you get for lying. That's what you get for lying.
• 2:44:39
  You know, now you're in a world you don't.
• 2:44:41
  And I pray for this person because you can't be happy.
• 2:44:46
  I don't if you're not normal in your own skin.
• 2:44:49
  And then I have another friend. I can't believe now I am going
• 2:44:51
  to get in trouble. But these things bother me that
• 2:44:53
  I'm always silent about. I have a friend that's also a
• 2:44:58
  transvestite that has a penis but functions, you know, but
• 2:45:02
  tells everyone that it's a female one.
• 2:45:05
  I won't say where I am or who because then I'm pointing
• 2:45:08
  fingers and I like this person. I respect this person because
• 2:45:13
  they they make good films and and they don't make films,
• 2:45:17
  believe it or not, that are that are pushing a narrative.
• 2:45:21
  Does that make sense? So they make decent films, but
• 2:45:24
  used to be a man and I guess I worked with this person when
• 2:45:27
  they were a man and somebody took me aside and said that's so
• 2:45:30
  and so. And I'm like, what?
• 2:45:33
  I mean, I knew it was a man. It wasn't fool.
• 2:45:35
  It's this person wasn't fooling anybody.
• 2:45:37
  It's he's big. He has fake boobs, but big and
• 2:45:41
  is a dude. What?
• 2:45:43
  But does little fake voice and, you know, takes the estrogen and
• 2:45:49
  but deep, deep tries to. So that said, this person won
• 2:45:55
  female female and I'm a filmmaker, you know, so I think
• 2:46:00
  about this. I think about whoever worked
• 2:46:01
  their ass off that was born a female.
• 2:46:04
  And I think of this was sports. That makes me mad.
• 2:46:06
  And that's a whole other thing. I know it it but and then I'll
• 2:46:09
  get off of here and and leave you alone for the day.
• 2:46:11
  But but anyway, this person won female female filmmaker of the
• 2:46:17
  year for my state female filmmaker of the year.
• 2:46:21
  Now I like this person, but I'm not going to pretend that I'm
• 2:46:25
  happy that a man, one female filmmaker of the year and I am
• 2:46:30
  the only thing I because he's she is so sweet to me.
• 2:46:33
  You know, you have to respect that she wants to be She she's
• 2:46:37
  so sweet to me and I hug her every time I see her and I know
• 2:46:41
  that it's you know, it's not really a female wasn't born a
• 2:46:44
  female just wants to be and I I care about this person.
• 2:46:48
  I've loved for these people. I do.
• 2:46:49
  I don't hate anybody, but there's something that has to
• 2:46:53
  hurt the person that worked the butt off and did a great job as
• 2:46:57
  a real female that isn't pretending to be a female and
• 2:47:01
  doesn't get female filmmaker of the year.
• 2:47:03
  And they all praised this person and did a big ceremony for this
• 2:47:07
  person and stood around this person and they won it.
• 2:47:10
  And they're so proud and outspoken about it.
• 2:47:13
  And to me, it's back to my other friend that's that went from
• 2:47:16
  female to male, but not really because they still that one has
• 2:47:20
  a penis and this one still has a vagina.
• 2:47:24
  I don't to me that you're lying. I would be embarrassed.
• 2:47:28
  I would be embarrassed to take that award.
• 2:47:30
  Do you know what I mean? I would be embarrassed if I was
• 2:47:33
  pretending to be a man and I won.
• 2:47:35
  But but it's always the men that win.
• 2:47:37
  The women don't The men still win the women.
• 2:47:41
  Well, if a woman tries to go into male sports, it as a a
• 2:47:46
  woman be pretending to be a man, she's going to lose no matter
• 2:47:50
  what every sport a real female, if she's looks like a male or
• 2:47:55
  not is going to lose hands down every sport.
• 2:47:58
  Anything a female does in a man's world.
• 2:48:02
  Even if she tries to pretend to look like a female and and and
• 2:48:06
  gender swaps or whatever they're doing these days and calls
• 2:48:09
  herself he, she's still going to lose.
• 2:48:11
  She would have she she's going to lose.
• 2:48:14
  She's not going to win in a man's world.
• 2:48:15
  She's not going to win male filmmaker of the world of the of
• 2:48:19
  the year. Do you know what I mean?
• 2:48:21
  Like that's real. Gender's real.
• 2:48:25
  So I get mad. I sit there and I'm like, why do
• 2:48:28
  we have to live in this world? But I'm going along with it
• 2:48:31
  because I'm not going to be rude.
• 2:48:33
  But if I say this, if I say what I just said, which I've held
• 2:48:39
  inside till right now, I am the biggest asshole alive.
• 2:48:43
  Nobody else is going to say it. Nobody else is going to say, why
• 2:48:47
  did that man win female filmmaker award?
• 2:48:52
  Isn't that sad? Oh, I don't know.
• 2:48:55
  I, I just, it's a but we're living in the upside down.
• 2:49:00
  It it feels cathartic for me. I always to hear you, to hear
• 2:49:04
  you say that this and what not. I mean, yeah.
• 2:49:11
  That's because it's so foreign to us because we're fed that
• 2:49:13
  it's wrong to say what you think We're supposed to go along with
• 2:49:17
  everybody playing pretend. Oh, I'll play pretend with you.
• 2:49:21
  When it used to be a mental illness and they would be, you
• 2:49:24
  know, have to get therapy for it.
• 2:49:26
  Instead, the therapy is our words.
• 2:49:29
  You know, they're going to have to go to if if one of them, if
• 2:49:31
  one of the people that are so into the gender gender, you
• 2:49:35
  know, neutral swapping he she it all of it.
• 2:49:38
  They would be triggered by this the truth reality that I'm
• 2:49:44
  playing pretend in your world, but in my world, I know that
• 2:49:48
  you're really not AI know you're not a dude and I know you're not
• 2:49:53
  a woman. Like I my brain knows it.
• 2:49:56
  A little baby knows it. A little kid would notice it,
• 2:50:00
  but I'm supposed to play pretend and say congratulations for
• 2:50:04
  winning. Female filmmaker, female.
• 2:50:08
  You were born a female. You have a vagina.
• 2:50:12
  I'm so happy. But no, you have a penis and
• 2:50:15
  you're a big giant dude that can carry a camera around and toss
• 2:50:19
  it around and do things better because men are stronger than
• 2:50:23
  women. They just are.
• 2:50:26
  It it, it's just, and I'm not I I'm fine with that.
• 2:50:29
  I'm fine that I'm fine with that.
• 2:50:32
  Doesn't, you know, I know some women can be smarter than men,
• 2:50:36
  but I think we're different, you know what I mean?
• 2:50:39
  Yeah. Yeah, completely, completely.
• 2:50:44
  All right, I better let you go 'cause I I said you could
• 2:50:48
  probably erase all that at the end about the female filmmaker,
• 2:50:52
  but. No, no.
• 2:50:53
  It's you just made me think of. It it's, well, I mean, I, I
• 2:50:59
  listen, I'm not going to edit anything out unless you want me
• 2:51:03
  to. But I don't think this person
• 2:51:06
  will ever hear it. And I, I, I don't think this
• 2:51:09
  person will ever hear it. And if they do, maybe they're
• 2:51:11
  supposed to hear it. I don't know.
• 2:51:15
  Maybe they'll hate me forever. And I don't want, I love them.
• 2:51:18
  I love people. Do you know what I mean?
• 2:51:20
  I don't, I don't hate anyone, but I, I want to be able to
• 2:51:24
  think those thoughts. I just said because that's,
• 2:51:27
  that's what I think. I don't want someone to hate me
• 2:51:29
  for what I think. Even the the, the, the, the
• 2:51:34
  female that turned male tranny friend of mine or whatever
• 2:51:37
  they're called, the gender, you know, switching genders.
• 2:51:41
  They, they appreciated what I had to say, the honesty I had to
• 2:51:45
  say. And you know what they said?
• 2:51:46
  I will be upfront with who I date.
• 2:51:49
  I think you're right. I never thought of it that way.
• 2:51:51
  So maybe we just need to help each other out a little bit.
• 2:51:55
  Maybe maybe my friend will listen to this and be like, I
• 2:51:59
  never thought of it that way. I guess that does hurt real
• 2:52:02
  females. They're physically not as strong
• 2:52:05
  or, you know, don't win a lot of things because women don't get
• 2:52:10
  it. That's a real thing.
• 2:52:11
  Heff used to say that that women didn't get a fair shot at at
• 2:52:15
  business the way men did. He's been in rooms where women
• 2:52:19
  are silenced. And I think Trump was the same
• 2:52:22
  way. And it's like, no, listen to
• 2:52:23
  what the woman has to say. And you know what I mean?
• 2:52:27
  Anyway, so that's my thoughts. Well, we, we've certainly
• 2:52:35
  covered a lot of ground. I think, I think we've just
• 2:52:40
  about burnt every sacred cow there is, you know, to the
• 2:52:44
  ground. And I I enjoyed it.
• 2:52:49
  Will probably be a three-part podcast.
• 2:52:51
  You're you'll have to do this in a three parts.
• 2:52:55
  No, I, I listen. I I come from the Joe Rogan
• 2:52:58
  School of three hour podcast, so you know.
• 2:53:04
  The whole thing. This is the longest I've ever
• 2:53:06
  been on a podcast. The whole thing will go up and
• 2:53:12
  you know, I, I'm sure people will listen to in segments, but
• 2:53:16
  you know, I, I think they'll enjoy.
• 2:53:19
  I know I certainly did. I did.
• 2:53:23
  Thank you. I I really appreciate you coming
• 2:53:27
  on Karina and I'd love to have you back and I really hope you
• 2:53:34
  don't get cancelled, but if you do.
• 2:53:38
  We'll I'll just blame you. It's OK.
• 2:53:41
  You know what's funny? I I don't mind.
• 2:53:43
  I don't, I don't mind. I'm already cancelled so.
• 2:53:47
  Yeah, well, you know, I, I have your back and you know, you have
• 2:53:53
  my contact info, so feel free to call, text me whatever, anytime
• 2:53:59
  so. Thank you my.
• 2:54:01
  Friend. For thanks to the folks for
• 2:54:03
  listening and I'll see you for the live show on Wednesday,
• 2:54:08
  which I'm sure will be a lot more low key than this.
• 2:54:11
  But until then, God bless God, freedom Oxi in order and God
• 2:54:17
  save this great nation. Thank you.
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  Yes.