Latest / Booked On Rock with Eric Senich / [HIGHLIGHT] Beatles Easter Eggs on Bob Dylan Albums?! The Hidden Clues Revealed - From EP 376
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Here's just a part of a recent episode of book
- 0:02Speaker 1: Don Rock. Jim Windolph is the author of the brand
- 0:05Speaker 1: new book Where the Music Had To Go. How Bob
- 0:07Speaker 1: Dylan and the Beatles changed each other and the world.
- 0:11Speaker 1: Dylan never made a big explicit statement about being included
- 0:16Speaker 1: on that cover of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
- 0:19Speaker 1: Did he see it as a sign of respect? You think?
- 0:21Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, that's an interesting question. He
- 0:25Speaker 2: didn't mention. I've not seen him mention it. He's been
- 0:27Speaker 2: asked about the album itself. And so it's like nineteen
- 0:30Speaker 2: seventy eight where Dylan gives an interview and he says
- 0:32Speaker 2: he found it over indulgent, but I like, there's an
- 0:36Speaker 2: interview his mom gave. Dylan's mother didn't give many interviews
- 0:39Speaker 2: in her life, but she gave it a really She
- 0:41Speaker 2: gave a couple of great interviews to this writer Toby Thompson,
- 0:44Speaker 2: who wrote a terrific book called Positively main Street that
- 0:47Speaker 2: Dylan fans should check out. And she was in Dylan's
- 0:51Speaker 2: house a lot in the late sixties in Woodstock, and
- 0:53Speaker 2: she said, oh, Bob loves Sergeant Pepper.
- 0:55Speaker 3: He loves the Beatles.
- 0:56Speaker 2: So it's funny to me to think that it was
- 0:58Speaker 2: always on, you know, in there, even though Dylan would
- 1:00Speaker 2: later say like, that's not my thing, you know so
- 1:03Speaker 2: but and I don't know if he mentioned that, the
- 1:06Speaker 2: fact that he's on the cover. But the funny thing
- 1:08Speaker 2: is his next album, John Wesley Harding. Rolling Stone did
- 1:13Speaker 2: a story about that album cover, and they said, if
- 1:15Speaker 2: you look at the tree on the cover, the faces
- 1:17Speaker 2: of John, Paul, George and Ringo are carved into the tree,
- 1:21Speaker 2: and and and then they asked a photographer and he said, well,
- 1:27Speaker 2: I wasn't aware of it, but yeah, if you if
- 1:29Speaker 2: you look you I agree, you can.
- 1:31Speaker 3: See that in there.
- 1:33Speaker 2: And then my god, and then not only that, but
- 1:36Speaker 2: when when Dylan did the cover of John Wesley Harding,
- 1:40Speaker 2: notice that he's standing with three other guys, right, So
- 1:43Speaker 2: it's like he wanted that album cover. So I think
- 1:46Speaker 2: he made that album partly as a response to Sergeant Pepper, like,
- 1:49Speaker 2: in other words, you guys are going over the top.
- 1:51Speaker 2: I'm stripping it down to simplicity, right. And when he
- 1:54Speaker 2: put that album out, he said he told the record label,
- 1:57Speaker 2: no single, no tour because and and said this was
- 2:00Speaker 2: the season of hype, and I didn't want to have
- 2:02Speaker 2: anything to do with any fype. And I think that's
- 2:05Speaker 2: a dig at the Beatles. And then the cover that album,
- 2:07Speaker 2: aside from the Beatles may or may not be in
- 2:09Speaker 2: the tree barker, he's standing there, so he stayed there.
- 2:14Speaker 2: Three other guys these are just friends of his. One
- 2:16Speaker 2: is like a Stonemason who lived in the area. The
- 2:19Speaker 2: two other guys are these musicians. They're called the Balls
- 2:22Speaker 2: of Bengal and they were making an album of their
- 2:27Speaker 2: their music, Indian music for Albert Grossman had signed them
- 2:31Speaker 2: to like a management deal, and they made a pretty
- 2:34Speaker 2: cool album called The Balls of Bengal, I believe is
- 2:36Speaker 2: the name of that album. And one of them, especially
- 2:38Speaker 2: Dylan was very close with. And that's one guy and
- 2:42Speaker 2: his brother. But the fact that Dylan is standing on
- 2:46Speaker 2: the cover as a foursome, to me is kind of
- 2:48Speaker 2: a parody of the Beatles, Like it's four of us
- 2:50Speaker 2: on the cover here, you know. And yet yet the
- 2:52Speaker 2: shot is this He said he wanted it to look
- 2:55Speaker 2: like a snapshot and a family photo album, and that's
- 2:57Speaker 2: what it looks like. It's just like it's not a
- 2:59Speaker 2: very elaborate, sure, it's just like kind of a crummy
- 3:01Speaker 2: picture in a way. You know, it's just like so
- 3:03Speaker 2: to me, it's kind of a parody of a Beatles
- 3:05Speaker 2: album cover.
- 3:07Speaker 1: It's just the kind of thing he would do.
- 3:09Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, because he's fun I mean, he is
- 3:11Speaker 3: funny as hell. They're all in Lantin's right.
- 3:13Speaker 2: So there's like another a funny thing he said was
- 3:18Speaker 2: when the Beatles visited him in sixty six at his
- 3:20Speaker 2: hotel in London. Dylan said, Dylan said, are the are
- 3:25Speaker 2: the girls still screaming for you? And John said, yeah,
- 3:28Speaker 2: they sure are. We're hoping they get away, get it,
- 3:30Speaker 2: get off of that, how about you? And Dylan said, yeah,
- 3:32Speaker 2: they're screaming. They're screaming for us, but in a different way,
- 3:34Speaker 2: meaning they're booing.
- 3:35Speaker 1: They're booing, right, somebody there's a website here. Somebody put
- 3:40Speaker 1: up a blog I think, and they zero in on
- 3:43Speaker 1: the album cover and they circle where supposedly, yeah, the
- 3:47Speaker 1: Beatles are. I don't know. I don't know, but now.
- 3:50Speaker 3: There's I didn't go this and it was in the
- 3:52Speaker 3: weeds and nothing this.
- 3:53Speaker 1: Uh.
- 3:53Speaker 2: When I wrote about that in the book, there are
- 3:56Speaker 2: some people who say that the British edition of that
- 3:59Speaker 2: album on the vinyl. If you can find it, it's more,
- 4:02Speaker 2: it's easier to see. So I don't put my hands
- 4:05Speaker 2: on a on a nineteen sixty eight British copy of
- 4:08Speaker 2: the album.
- 4:08Speaker 3: You know, I've seen pictures of it online. So now
- 4:12Speaker 3: did the more.
- 4:13Speaker 1: I look at it, now I'm seeing George, I'm seeing Ringo.
- 4:17Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I may have to put that
- 4:19Speaker 1: up on the screen for the video version of this
- 4:21Speaker 1: interview because maybe that's like what they call that confirmation bias,
- 4:24Speaker 1: like I want to see it.
- 4:25Speaker 3: I don't hope it could be that.
- 4:27Speaker 2: That's maybe that's what happened that photographer when they asked him,
- 4:29Speaker 2: like do you see It's like, geez.
- 4:30Speaker 3: The weird thing is when I look at it, I
- 4:32Speaker 3: think I do see it.
- 4:33Speaker 1: Maybe I do. It's like in the nineties there's books
- 4:35Speaker 1: where if you should stare at it long enough, something
- 4:37Speaker 1: comes out so at you.
- 4:39Speaker 3: And just another album cover thing.
- 4:42Speaker 2: The next Dylan's next album, Nashville Skyline, there's a Beatles
- 4:46Speaker 2: message on that cover. You do you know what it is? No,
- 4:49Speaker 2: it's incredible. So the Katari's holding on that cover. George
- 4:53Speaker 2: gave it to him as a gift. So George stayed
- 4:56Speaker 2: with Dylan and his family and for Thanksgiving sixty eight,
- 5:00Speaker 2: Dylan and George wrote two songs at least together the
- 5:05Speaker 2: night George after Thanksgiving, George wrote all things must pass,
- 5:08Speaker 2: you know, and and Patty Boyd, his wife, Patty Boyd
- 5:11Speaker 2: Harrison said, George felt so good. He was so confident
- 5:14Speaker 2: after spending time with Dylan and Dylan approving of him
- 5:17Speaker 2: as a as a singer and songwriter. You know, he
- 5:19Speaker 2: felt great because the Beatles had been, you know, trashing him,
- 5:23Speaker 2: or he felt that way anyway, disrespecting him. So George
- 5:26Speaker 2: gives Dylan this Gibson guitar, this lovely Starbards finished guitar
- 5:32Speaker 2: and Dylan's holding it on the cover of Nashville Skyline
- 5:37Speaker 2: and he told the photographer took that picture that he
- 5:39Speaker 2: doffed his cap. You know, he's smiling, he's doffing his
- 5:42Speaker 2: cap a bit. That's that's to say thank you to
- 5:45Speaker 2: George for the guitar.
- 5:46Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
- 5:48Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing?
- 5:49Speaker 1: Unbelievable looking at it here and.
- 5:51Speaker 2: George, now there's a lot, you know, guitar geeks. I
- 5:55Speaker 2: went deep into this guitar stuff. There is a lot
- 5:59Speaker 2: of confusion because George that that guitar at Gibson, She's
- 6:03Speaker 2: and that's somebody's gonna kill me, and said that Gibson
- 6:04Speaker 2: it's not a three sixty because that's the name of
- 6:06Speaker 2: the Rickenbacker. I forgot what it's called. Anyway, that specific
- 6:09Speaker 2: getson guitar. George got another one when he got back
- 6:13Speaker 2: to England that he shared with Lennon. So there's some
- 6:17Speaker 2: confusion over like, wait, if George gave Dylan this guitar
- 6:20Speaker 2: and then he's playing it on Here Comes the Sun,
- 6:22Speaker 2: did he take it back or what it's like. No,
- 6:24Speaker 2: the answer is he gave Dylan the guitar when he
- 6:26Speaker 2: got back to London. Ian Lennon got the same kind
- 6:29Speaker 2: of guitar that they shared, and George did record Here
- 6:32Speaker 2: Comes the Sun with that very guitar, but a different
- 6:35Speaker 2: a different one but the same model. So it's a
- 6:38Speaker 2: lovely guitar.
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