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EP 20: Potential Non-QB MVP Candidates & Talking 49ers · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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  3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks.
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  Welcome to Three guys 6 Balls NFL Podcast.
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  Welcome to episode 20 of Three guys 6 Balls NFL podcast.
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  Today we have a guest on the show, and because Will is the
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  only person who actually knows this guest, I'm going to have
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  Will introduce him. Joining us today, we have self
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  accused 49ers fan Josh Akerman. He is a lifelong, correct,
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  lifelong 49ers fan, although you're not from the Bay Area, so
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  you just made a bad choice, is that correct?
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  Well, I missed. I missed all the championships
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  so my fandom started after the 95 Super Bowl, so I haven't got
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  to be a participant in any trophy hoisting.
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  Well, you've got that in common with Joel and Will here.
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  That's going. To say that sounds quite.
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  A big club? Yep, Yep.
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  Yeah. So.
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  Cool. All right.
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  Well, Josh, we appreciate you coming on the show.
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  It's good to have you. Why don't you just tell us a
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  little bit about yourself and just tell us like how you became
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  a Niners fan and just kept some of your experiences as a Niners
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  fan throughout the years? Well, I I was born and raised in
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  Oregon, so there are no football teams here.
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  My dad actually was a Rams fan, a big Rams fan.
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  And I don't know, maybe. Yeah, right.
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  The rebellion in me, I think I was probably 8 or 9 years old.
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  I had family that lived in the Bay Area and just picked the
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  Niners randomly even before I was a big football fan.
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  And then it grew really quick and I became a kind of a true
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  real Niners fan at, you know, eight or nine years old.
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  And then unfortunately, this the same thing happened to me.
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  My son is 19 and at about the same age, probably 7 years old,
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  he decided to become a Cowboys fan.
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  Unfortunately, we got, I was a young father.
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  I, I, I, I made mistakes allowing him to be a Cowboys
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  fan. I didn't brainwash him and
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  indoctrinate him, you know, young enough.
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  But the same thing that I did to my dad, he did to me.
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  So I guess the world is right. I, I, I I just remind him that
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  it's going to happen to him someday too though all.
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  Right. Well, Josh, I have a question
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  for you to start off here. How do you feel that the Cowboys
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  have won a Super Bowl more recently than the 49ers have?
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  Of course, of course, we've got to start there.
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  I. Mean statistically that's 100%
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  accurate. That is an inarguable fact.
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  So please, please do a deep dive under how you feel about how the
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  Cowboys have been better more recently.
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  It's not a gotcha question, it's a fact.
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  Yeah, it's a fact. It does make me sad.
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  I, I will tell you though, it it, it, it makes me as sad to
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  know my team has been to three Super Bowls in my 20 plus year
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  fandom. No, now, now at this point, 30
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  fandom and never won one. I'm I'm starting to feel like a
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  Buffalo Bills fan from the 90s. Yeah, it's disheartening.
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  It's disheartening, honestly. That was worse.
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  The the Bills was the Bills was much worse.
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  Going four straight times and losing all of them, That would
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  be much worse. Yeah, that that's true.
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  But to answer your question, I mean, yeah, it's it's
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  demoralizing. We all, we all poke fun at
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  Dallas. But to say that it's been even
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  longer for my team. But that doesn't really, I mean,
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  I, I, I, I wasn't really much of A football fan the last time
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  Dallas won their Super Bowl either.
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  It was kind of just shortly after that, too.
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  So the pain of losing 3 is much worse.
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  Yeah, I had to bring it up because that's the only thing
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  that we have over 49ers fans. That's the only thing we got.
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  So might as well hold on to it as long as we can.
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  Nicer stadium. You think AT&T is nicer than
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  Levi's? Yeah.
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  I mean, I kind of just wanted to hear you say that loud so.
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  Levi AT Stadium was pretty nice. Levi's did cost a billion
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  dollars to construct, but that's just because they're paying
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  California wages, not Texas wages.
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  So true. That's true.
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  That's a good point. Yeah, wasn't Cowboy Stadium.
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  I thought that was, Was it near 2 billion or am I just off?
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  Was it just like just over 1 or am I just remembering a random
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  fact from a decade ago? I feel like it was the first
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  billion plus, right? I think it was over a billion,
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  but not a whole bunch more. It says one money goes, OK, your
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  money goes a lot further in Texas than it does in
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  California. You know, Sofi was like 5 or 5
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  or $6 billion. It's for Sofi.
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  So yeah. So 6/6 times the cost of right
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  or five times the cost of of Jerry World, the big cell phone
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  AT&T. All right, well, since Josh is
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  on the show today and he's a 49ers fan, we're going to be
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  talking a lot about the 49ers. But as our starter topic, we're
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  going to talk about which non quarterbacks could potentially
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  win MVP this year. And so before we get started
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  with that, I have some stats here for you guys as always.
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  So since 1957, there have been a total of 69 players to win MVP.
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  Nice. And 48 of those have been
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  quarterbacks, 18 have been running backs.
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  There's been 1 linebacker, 1 defensive lineman and one kicker
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  to win MVP. Oh, I would have hated to watch
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  that NFL season. I hope we get a kicker win MVP
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  this year. What year was that I?
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  Super don't, I don't remember. What year it was off the top of
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  my head, I'd have to look it up real quick. 1880.
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  Five they didn't know how to throw back then.
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  I think it was in the 80s but let me check.
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  Throwing wasn't invented. Too 1982 for the Washington
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  Redskins. Whoa.
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  Careful pal. Was that the strike Shorten
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  season? Oh, I don't remember.
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  Yeah, they played one game and he scored the most points, so
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  that's why he won MVP. I don't know it's possible.
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  All right, so with that, let's get started with which non
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  quarterback could win MVP this year.
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  So let's go in this order. Let's go with Josh and see our
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  guests will have you start off, then we'll go Will Avery and
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  then I'll end. And then after that we'll lead
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  into our 49ers conversation. So Josh, get us started.
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  Which non quarterback do you think could possibly win MVP
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  this season? The easy answer, The low hanging
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  fruit would be fairly running back Saquon Barkley.
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  The kicker though, I was doing some research, just kind of
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  preparing for football season this week.
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  It's very rare that somebody gets that many carries that he
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  got last year and actually makes it through a full season the
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  next year. I I think I would have to say
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  there's a pretty good chance that Saquon Barkley gets hurt
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  this year after as many touches as he had last.
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  Year now we go Christian McCaffrey fan.
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  That's. Right.
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  Yes, that's right. That's right.
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  Same thing happened the previous year, right?
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  CMC had all those carries, all those touches, all that, all
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  that impact and then got banged up the next year.
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  So the. Carries it had all to do with
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  who it was put on the cover of that one video game it.
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  Could be that. It could be that curse.
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  Yeah. So I I mean, I I think it would
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  have to be a running back. You know, Derrick Henry comes to
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  mind. But as long as he's playing with
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  Lamar Jackson, it seems far less likely that he's ever going to
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  be able to have the impact and and, and win an MVP unless a big
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  injury, which it's Lamar Jackson.
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  That certainly could happen. I'm going to say that the safest
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  bet Saquon Barkley. OK.
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  Yeah, just a a fun fact to go along with that and what you
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  said, Josh, and we've actually mentioned this on the show
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  before. It's only happened one time in
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  NFL history where there's been a 2000 yard rusher in back-to-back
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  seasons. Saquon Barkley did it last year.
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  So it's very unlikely that that's going to happen again
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  this year. But I feel like on that team
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  that that team is so stacked and that's what they do.
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  They just run the ball. So I feel like if it was going
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  to be any player, it could potentially be Saquon Barkley.
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  So I like that. Safe choice.
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  Unless he gets hit with Matt and Kirsten, it's not safe.
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  That's right. But for now, it's safe.
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  That's fine. I will.
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  Who you got? Well, I'm not known for my safe
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  choices on this show. Oh no.
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  Or pronouncing names correctly. Just remember, just remember,
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  Will Tua is a quarterback. I am aware, I already picked him
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  for ringless quarterback to win the next ring.
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  OK, I'm already aware. Can't pick a pay or two.
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  The problem is, is that the people who really have the best
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  shot are Justin Jamerson, Jamar Chase, insert your top right
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  receiver here. But you give them, you get, they
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  get what, fifteen 1600 yards? They can get 1415 touchdowns.
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  Your quarterbacks also being the same stats.
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  And so they're never going to give it to the receiver who is
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  arguably doing more work than the quarterback to gain those
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  stats, but they're going to give it to the quarterback anyway.
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  And running back, same boat. The only way they're going to
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  get MVP is if they do, if they if they've got a Saquan type
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  season last year and also have 908 hundred receiving yards and
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  and a sliver touchdowns on top of it.
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  You have to have the all-purpose charts to be a non quarterback.
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  I actually like, and I don't think this is actually going to
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  happen, but I feel like for non quarterbacks it has the highest,
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  one of the highest probabilities.
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  I'm going to do a defense here. I'm going to go with Myles
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  Garretts. I feel like all performing
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  defensive players, he performs consistently the highest and
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  that defense is going to have to carry that team more this year.
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  They are truly trying to build a team to win.
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  It doesn't work. They're not winning, but they
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  are currently and actively every year trying to make steps to
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  win. That's why they drafted 2
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  quarterbacks and two running backs and near back-to-back to
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  back-to-back picks. Granted, I've already already we
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  already talked about that. That's now you could career
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  move, but they're trying to improve their offense because
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  they have semi good defensive pieces and you believe they went
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  defense first round in the draft there.
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  And so they they are making the right choices and that Miles
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  Garrett's going to have to carry that defensive line.
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  I can see him having a monster season.
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  I don't know what the number's going to take for a defensive
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  player to win MVP, especially defensive lineman.
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  It's going to have to be high, high numbers.
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  But I feel like he can put on an absolute show and win more than
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  just defensive player of the year.
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  I think if he was to win it, he'd have to, one, break the
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  sack record and then two, the Browns would actually have to
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  make the playoffs because you're not going to give MVP to a guy
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  who's not in the playoffs. Oh yeah, I mean, just Joe
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  Burrow. If the Bengals have been good
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  last year. Joe Burrow MVP and that's going
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  to get some hate by itself. But but statistically that team
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  was very good offensively. Well, yeah, they can't win
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  anything. You're right.
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  Well, when you don't have we have a wet paper bag as defense,
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  we can we expecting When your defense is allowing 30 plus
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  points a game, your offense can only score so many.
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  True. All right, Avery, who you got?
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  Jamar Chase, you know, back to what Will was saying, I think I
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  mean, I disagree. Well, it's statistically
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  unlikely, but that's I mean, we're talking about not going
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  for quarterbacks here. As someone who plays Road to
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  Glory as a receiver and wins Heisman instead of my
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  quarterback, I know the route you have to take to get that.
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  And it basically means shutting out all your other fellow
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  receivers and catching all the balls.
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  But so that way your, your stats just mirror the quarterback, but
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  you're the receiver. So I basically, I, I feel like,
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  what's his name? I'm having a brain fart.
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  Joe Burrow. I thought Joe Burrow was the
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  MVP, like obviously. But yeah, it came down to just
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  their team record. I think he out of the top five
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  basically between him and then I guess the two top running backs,
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  Henry and Barkley, I think Burrough is the most likely to
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  repeat that level of stat stuffing.
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  And I think that Jamar Chase, I don't see any reason why he
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  would do too much better than he already did.
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  He had a phenomenal season already.
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  So it's just one of those things where it's like likely to go
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  down. The only thing that gives me any
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  more hope is that he's not a running back, which means he's
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  not going to be taking that just brutal beating week in and week
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  out that you have to take if you're going to get to 2000
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  yards. Receivers, I feel like can do it
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  a little cleaner. I just don't see a defensive
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  player winning it. I don't see there being, I mean,
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  you would just have to be more than more than just getting to
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  the playoffs, meaning basically just having a decent enough
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  record to be seriously considered.
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  I feel like you have to have some crazy viral plays.
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  Same with Saquon Barkley and that that hurdle, I mean, that
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  hurdle wasn't consequential. It was just cool.
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  It was unique. It was it freak athletic.
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  And it's just one of those things where it's like, OK, when
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  you have some of these and then people start chattering about
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  you being, you know, like all this is his year.
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  I feel like those big plays, the cool things that they can do is
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  what boosts them. But that's just my opinion.
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  I feel like that's for the ratings and that's what it is.
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  It's a business, it's entertainment.
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  But I like Jamar Chase. I don't think that Barkley or
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  Henry will have. I think they'll both have worse
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  seasons than they had this year. That obviously is not saying
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  they're going to do bad, but I just think I don't trust them to
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  get that. Mainly, I trust 31 other teams
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  have a vested interest in making sure that doesn't happen.
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  But yeah, we'll see. A.
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  Very quick follow up there. Making a memorable play,
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  memorable play. You're talking like Miles
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  Garrett to Mason Realm's head. Is that what we're talking
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  about? Infamous, necessarily, but
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  something like the oh what? I don't even remember his name,
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  but I can visualize the play the South Carolina defensive end
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  Jadavian. Yeah.
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  You see that you're like this man's number one, he's going #1
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  I don't know when, but he's going #1 and so you see that
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  it's like, okay, that's some like, what do you do as an
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  offense? If I was playing Madden and that
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  happened to me and I'm on offense, I would quit the game.
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  Like this game busted, dude. You can't do that.
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  I haven't even given the ball to the halfback yet.
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  But I I think stuff like that is what usually gives more
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  likelihood or more credence to defensive players winning it.
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  Right. I like it.
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  So I got a follow up question and this is open to everybody,
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  not just Avery. I said it earlier, there's never
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  been a wide receiver who's won MVP.
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  So what stats would a wide receiver have to put up in order
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  to win MVP? 2020 / 2000 yards over 20
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  touchdowns. I also think, and sorry this is
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  your pick tool, but I also think say Justin Jefferson this year,
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  if Justin Jefferson goes out for 1800 yards, 20 or 20 touchdowns,
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  they're not giving that MVP to JJ McCarthy.
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  That's just not going to happen. They will not give it to Justin,
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  to JJ McCarthy. It'll go to Justin Jefferson
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  purely because we can't possibly give it to that guy.
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  Look at that guy. He barely wipes his own bottom
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  at this point. I know I said bottom or health
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  adults here. It's going to dress.
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  That show is explicit OK. Well, just I'm in my daughter's
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  bedroom. Yes, I understand.
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  Look at the flowers. This is where I'm at.
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  Here we are. This is this is the way life
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  works. I got two kids.
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  I made a porch choice. What can I say?
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  Well, along that same kind of train of thought though, you
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  know, if you had a really good receiver have a A2020 type
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  season, they could potentially still win it.
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  To answer Joel's question, I think though, it's got to be to
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  a QB that doesn't have a big name because they're going to
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  have the stats too, right? In your mind's eye, picture the
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  the quarterback that's now at Seattle.
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  Remind me, help me, Sam Darnold. Thank you.
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  Sam Darnold. He had a really good season last
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  year. But you know, I mean, most
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  people after the career that he's had are, are going to be
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  really reluctant to give him an MVP trophy.
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  And so, you know, if if he was throwing the ball, I I think San
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  Francisco could potentially have this right.
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  Brock Purdy's a respected quarterback, but because of his
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  irrelevance, because of his Mr. Irrelevance.
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  You know, if they if they had a top notch receiver who had a
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  2020 type season, there's a chance maybe that the receiver
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  can get it instead of the QB because they're not respected
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  the same way that a Joe Burrow might.
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  I also think to flip that around is that it has to be a respected
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  enough receiver. If woof pick any #2 riders if
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  Michael Gallant, right? If Michael Gallant goes off this
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  year, they're not giving it to him either.
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  And he's in. I don't even know where he's at
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  now. Tennessee No, he go.
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  He's not in Dallas anymore. He.
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  Plays for the commanders right now.
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  OK, then they're for sure going to be to Jane Daniels.
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  They're not giving it to to Michael Gallant.
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  It almost seems as if we're all kind of dancing around this.
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  It's it's less of Most Valuable Player and most valuable big
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  name player is what it's turned into It's.
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  Also. I, I think part of it is just
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  the, the separation from wide receiver one to wide receiver 2.
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  If all of the wide receivers are eating like everyone's got at
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  least about, we got three wide receivers with 1000 yards and
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  then one of them has 1800 yards. It's like, OK, what are the
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  chances you had 3000 yard receivers this season?
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  Or like, is it the quarterback? Then at that point, maybe just
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  give it to the offensive line like you as a unit get the MVP
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  because we know the quarterback couldn't do it and we know the
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  wide receivers couldn't do it like you guys.
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  But I feel like it has to be that separation.
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  If you've got, you know, a receiver with 18 or 1900 yards
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  and wide receiver 2 has, you know, 720, then it's like, OK,
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  yeah, maybe it like this wide receiver is clearly very special
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  because he's getting a heavily disproportionate amount of
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  passes thrown to him. So Higgins, basically, T Higgins
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  has to get hurt. I was going to say the exact
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  same thing. Is it T Higgins fault or Jamar
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  traits doesn't win you repeat then.
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  No. Well, here's The thing is how
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  many did he have? He had, I think he only.
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  Made 12 games. The thing if he doesn't go any
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  higher, I mean cuz 900 yards and 10 touchdowns is still wild.
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  But of course you know Jamar Chase had 17117 touchdowns.
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  I mean, if I feel like with those same stats, but Burrow
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  throws another 300 yards and three touchdowns to Chase, I'd
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  feel like he should get it. He wasn't that far off.
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  Nope. All right.
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  Well, my pick for potential MVP that's not a quarterback is
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  Christian McCaffrey. The reason why is because, and
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  this obviously this depends on how healthy he actually is.
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  We don't actually know. I feel like we're not really
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  getting many reports on how it's actually going.
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  But as far as I've heard, he's healthy.
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  But you know, his teammates are saying he's healthy, but they're
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  just his teammates. Of course they're going to say
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  that. So it depends on his health.
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  But Christian McCaffrey, when he was with the Panthers in 2019,
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  the Panthers were terrible. They had a terrible record.
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  I think they were 5:00 and 11:00 that season.
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  But his stats, he ran for over 1300 rushing yards.
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  He had 15 rushing touchdowns. He had 116 receptions for over
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  1000 receiving yards. I think it's potentially
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  possible this year that Christian McCaffrey, if he's
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  healthy, could have another season like that, just with more
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  rushing yards. Because I'm sorry, Josh, I'm I'm
• 19:03
  not high at all on the wide receivers for the 49ers right
• 19:07
  now. I don't like their wide receiver
• 19:10
  room at all because you've got Brandon Iuke, who is coming off
• 19:14
  a torn ACL and MCL. So he's not going to be the Iuke
• 19:17
  that we saw in 2022 and 2023, at least not right away.
• 19:21
  You've got Jawan Jennings, who is unhappy with his contract and
• 19:25
  wants either a contract extension to make more money or
• 19:28
  he wants to be traded. So who knows if he's actually
• 19:30
  going to be there. Then they've got second year
• 19:32
  wide receiver Ricky Pearsall, who is injured again and was
• 19:35
  just recently placed on the PUP list this last week.
• 19:39
  So outside of those guys, you've got DeMarcus Robinson, who was
• 19:43
  signed in free agency and then a bunch of other guys that nobody
• 19:47
  knows. So you really only have two
• 19:49
  receiving threats in that offense.
• 19:50
  You have George Kittle and Christian McCaffrey.
• 19:53
  And so I think if Christian McCaffrey is healthy for the
• 19:56
  entire season, they're going to lean on him very, very heavily.
• 20:01
  And so I think that it's possible that his stats could
• 20:05
  look similar to his 2019 stats when he was with Carolina.
• 20:09
  And the 49ers have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
• 20:12
  Obviously, that doesn't mean anything because we don't know
• 20:14
  how these teams are going to be. But as it looks right now, they
• 20:18
  have the easiest schedule. And so if they can even just
• 20:20
  make the playoffs and Christian McCaffrey can replicate that
• 20:24
  2019 season. I think he has a shot to win
• 20:27
  MVP. I would like to give honorable
• 20:29
  mention to a player on a team that has a possibility to win
• 20:33
  this. Right.
• 20:33
  So he's not going to win MVP, but for the same reason you just
• 20:36
  said Christian McCaffrey. I think Alvin Camaro should go
• 20:38
  on that same list for the same reasons.
• 20:40
  They're going to have to lean on him because they've got Tyler
• 20:45
  Shuck, who is bad. End of conversation.
• 20:49
  He's just bad. Now.
• 20:50
  He's obviously he's better than you.
• 20:52
  Yeah, obviously he's better than me, obviously there's no
• 20:56
  question. But I.
• 20:59
  Don't know. I don't know.
• 21:01
  I don't know. I also couldn't start at Oregon.
• 21:04
  Okay, there's that. That's a close one.
• 21:07
  That's a. Close.
• 21:09
  So they're going to lean on Alvin Camara to do everything in
• 21:14
  between him and that quarterback.
• 21:17
  Titans receiver, What's that guy's name?
• 21:19
  Tayson Hill. Thanks for the help guys.
• 21:21
  Tayson Hill, They're going to have to do everything for the
• 21:24
  entire team. You can't expect them to throw
• 21:26
  the ball and move it downfield. If they still had any actual
• 21:30
  wide receiver on that team, don't think they have any decent
• 21:32
  ones anymore. You can't expect 30 or 40 yard
• 21:35
  passes downfield. We're talking dump out.
• 21:38
  We're talking crossing rounds. We're talking you're bringing
• 21:40
  all 11 players up in the box and you're asking them to throw over
• 21:44
  the top, just begging them to throw the football because you
• 21:48
  just don't think they can do it. If you look at his Louisville
• 21:51
  tape, they're not moving the ball down the field a lot.
• 21:54
  It's all a lot of Roger Sievers and running backs making the
• 21:57
  plays. He's not zipping the ball for
• 22:00
  long deep passes. So I I think Albert Camaro is
• 22:03
  going to be in the same boat. The problem is is that team has
• 22:06
  an actual possibility to go winless and so he's going to no
• 22:09
  come nowhere close to actually being at the MVP race.
• 22:12
  Well, are you not trusting in Kellen Moore?
• 22:14
  No, I I'm a Dallas fan. Of course I'm not.
• 22:17
  Come on, Will, Kellen Moore will make Tyler Shuck look like Tom
• 22:22
  Brady. He didn't do that.
• 22:23
  OK, OK. He.
• 22:24
  Didn't is it? Like that Boise State
• 22:26
  quarterback? Sure is.
• 22:28
  Yes, yes he is. The same Yeah, he's still
• 22:31
  floating around over there in Dallas.
• 22:33
  He went. No, not Dallas.
• 22:34
  He was often corner Dallas. He's now head coach of the New
• 22:38
  Orleans Saints. No, never mind, I did know that.
• 22:44
  His retirement plan? Yes, yeah, let me make some
• 22:48
  money. Sorry if you can hear my
• 22:50
  children in the background, they are just yelling just I don't
• 22:54
  know, 5 seconds goes dance party and just yelling.
• 22:59
  Very sorry anyway. My my daughter was screaming in
• 23:02
  the background while we were waiting for you to figure out
• 23:03
  your computer situation. Well, I didn't hear that, so all
• 23:06
  good. You know, Kellen Moore, he's now
• 23:09
  head coach out there in New Orleans.
• 23:11
  And I, I have less hope for them than I had hope when he was in
• 23:17
  Dallas. And these Dallas had actual
• 23:19
  notable players on the team. They just couldn't execute.
• 23:22
  And you can track up the coaching, but coach, the coaches
• 23:24
  aren't the ones on the field doing the damn thing.
• 23:26
  The team in New Orleans, I mean, when the trade deadline is
• 23:30
  coming around, I expect New Orleans to be having a fire
• 23:33
  sale. Give us your draft picks.
• 23:35
  We'll give you our OK players. I can't believe that Tyler Shuck
• 23:38
  got a fully guaranteed contract. Of course he did.
• 23:40
  He was pick 40. I can't believe he was pick 40.
• 23:43
  Yeah, he was trying to fully guaranteed contract Brown's
• 23:45
  legend Deshaun Watson. Not smart Stewart.
• 23:49
  Brown's Legend More Now he's not a legend for the reasons he
• 23:52
  wants to be, but Brown's legend. Infamous, not famous.
• 23:56
  Infamous. All right, well, let's get on to
• 24:00
  our 49ers section here. So we've got some questions for
• 24:04
  you, Josh and I kind of already gave you some of my thoughts on
• 24:08
  Christian McCaffrey. Obviously, his health is a big
• 24:11
  concern. So if Christian McCaffrey does
• 24:14
  go down again this year, how are you feeling about the running
• 24:17
  back depth? Well, if he does go down, so I'm
• 24:21
  a Niner fan and so I I'm familiar with these names.
• 24:24
  You guys may or may not be Jordan Mason and Eli Mitchell
• 24:26
  were both on the team and, and we're both contributors, but
• 24:30
  nobody would have ever guessed that they would have been
• 24:32
  contributors then then when they in it was Isaac, Isaac Grendo.
• 24:36
  And so I, I, I tend to feel like I've, I've been a football fan
• 24:39
  probably as long as you guys have it, you can go back to the
• 24:42
  1990s Denver Broncos with Papa Shanahan turning some no name
• 24:47
  running backs into All Stars. If you guys remember the name
• 24:50
  Mike Anderson, some no name running backs in the Shanahan
• 24:54
  system, we're really, really successful.
• 24:56
  And I think we're already seeing that CMC is the exception of the
• 24:59
  rule, right? He's really, really good, always
• 25:01
  has been. But guys like Jordan Mason and
• 25:03
  Eli Mitchell and and now Isaac Gorenda, who's still on the team
• 25:05
  in the draft they just picked up.
• 25:07
  Let me go back to my notes here. I was just looking this up.
• 25:11
  Oh shoot, where did it come? Jordan, James.
• 25:13
  Thank you, Jordan James out of Oregon.
• 25:15
  Yeah, so, you know, I believe he'll he'll be the second, you
• 25:19
  know, biggest, you know, kind of most productive, right, running
• 25:22
  back out of this draft behind Ashton Gente.
• 25:25
  That's right, second most. Will I see your eyes get as big
• 25:28
  as dinner? Sausage, I there is bloody
• 25:30
  murder happening out there. Nothing.
• 25:32
  Stop this show at this point. OK, good, good.
• 25:36
  You're not. I'm not the one you need to be
• 25:37
  looking at for second most. So marrying Hampton over there,
• 25:40
  Avery, anything to say about that?
• 25:43
  Honestly, when it comes to Hampton and James, it really
• 25:46
  just comes down to the situation.
• 25:47
  I like all three of them. I think.
• 25:49
  I think Jordan James, especially in San Francisco, will do well.
• 25:55
  I think that North to South running style, he's not the
• 25:58
  fastest, but boy can that boy accelerate and shed tackles and
• 26:04
  I think I think he'll do really well there.
• 26:06
  I think especially having McCaffrey to, I don't know, I
• 26:09
  don't know how much players teach other players.
• 26:13
  I mean, I always like to believe they do, but who knows?
• 26:16
  Yeah, you would think so. But I mean, they're also
• 26:18
  technically each other's rivals, even though they're on the same
• 26:21
  team. I mean, it's your job.
• 26:23
  But no, I think, I think Jordan James, if Caffrey goes down or
• 26:27
  just, I mean, if what Joel said, you know, if he's a potential
• 26:32
  MVP candidate, that means he's going to be taking a big, you
• 26:35
  know, he's going to have a huge workload.
• 26:37
  So I don't know if that means just trying to keep Jordan James
• 26:40
  out of it. I mean assuming he can stay
• 26:41
  healthy or if they are trying to prevent an injury they led.
• 26:46
  I know. I think Jordan James is third on
• 26:48
  the depth. Chart isn't.
• 26:50
  He's third, yeah. I think he'll be second by the
• 26:52
  end. I do too, Yep.
• 26:54
  I mean, Isaac Garinder was pretty productive last year
• 26:56
  though. He was, yeah.
• 26:58
  He runs weird, dude. He runs weird like.
• 27:02
  Kyler Murray. Weird.
• 27:03
  Really suspect I don't remember how Kyler Murray ran.
• 27:07
  Like a little. Baby, wait.
• 27:08
  No, no, no, sorry. I'm thinking of the dude who
• 27:09
  went to high school with. I thought you were talking about
• 27:11
  him thinking. About Kyler Kelly.
• 27:14
  Talent Jelly, Yeah. NFL I was like, I don't
• 27:18
  remember. How that man ran, No, it was
• 27:21
  some weird thing where he'd run with the ball out like this and
• 27:24
  then his other arm is like, I don't know, dude, it was weird.
• 27:30
  Like CCP March. I saw him about to score a.
• 27:32
  Touchdown. I saw him about to score a
• 27:34
  touchdown in the camera. The spider Cam starts going
• 27:37
  down, you know, down to the field, like the actual sideline
• 27:40
  where you just see the back of him running and it's like, oh,
• 27:44
  don't like be a man or whatever. I don't even know what to say to
• 27:48
  that. Like anyway, that's not beside
• 27:51
  every point. I think to kind of summarize it
• 27:53
  though, Joel, my opinion is that I'm more confident in the room
• 27:58
  because of the system and the coach then then the guys per SE.
• 28:02
  If CMC goes down. But you know, with him not
• 28:05
  really playing very much at all last year, he's going to be
• 28:08
  really fresh in theory. And then, you know, with some,
• 28:11
  with some guys that can have a, a contribution, some real young
• 28:14
  fresh guys. And then that system I I feel
• 28:16
  pretty comfortable. Yeah, I mean, I like Jordan
• 28:18
  James a lot too. I think he's definitely going to
• 28:21
  contribute. That was the the other thing
• 28:23
  that I didn't mention is with Christian McCaffrey, if they do
• 28:26
  have like if they are trying to keep him fresh like Avery
• 28:28
  mentioned, if they have Isaac Arendo and Jordan James
• 28:31
  contribute a lot more than obviously Christian McCaffrey is
• 28:34
  not going to put up those numbers.
• 28:35
  But if they are just going to run Christian McCaffrey into the
• 28:38
  ground, then I think he could put up some insane numbers if
• 28:41
  he's healthy. OK, so next question.
• 28:43
  I also gave you some of my thoughts on the wide receiver
• 28:45
  room. So I want to hear, as a 49ers
• 28:48
  fan, how are you feeling about the wide receiver room as a
• 28:51
  whole? And then specifically, what are
• 28:54
  your expectations for second year wide receiver Ricky
• 28:56
  Pearsall? Similar type response.
• 28:58
  I mean, I, I have trust in the organization to pick good guys
• 29:02
  and put them in the right spot with, with the mind like
• 29:04
  Shanahan, Iuke's a good player and he's being paid like a good
• 29:08
  player, but he's coming off the injury.
• 29:09
  I don't think he's going to be out all year.
• 29:11
  I think he's on the PUP list, but he's a contributor.
• 29:13
  He's a number one wide receiver, having that type of guy, a top
• 29:17
  ten, top 12 receiver, even if only for 3/4 of the of the
• 29:20
  season. I, I start with a a certain
• 29:22
  degree of comfort. Ricky Pearsall was picked pretty
• 29:24
  high and, and the only reason he was set back last year or I
• 29:28
  think one of the primary reasons he was set back is because he,
• 29:30
  you know, got shot. I mean, once he came back, he
• 29:33
  was a little bit of a contributor and I expect that
• 29:35
  that will will pick up this this year.
• 29:37
  I was looking into this too. So that in the I think fourth
• 29:40
  round, fourth or fifth round, they picked up Ole Miss wide
• 29:42
  receiver Jordan Watkins, who ran A43740.
• 29:46
  You know, when you get down to those levels of the draft,
• 29:48
  sometimes they're contributors and sometimes they're not.
• 29:50
  But by picking someone with a very specific skill set, like
• 29:53
  speed, he had, let's see here my notes 5 plays of 60 plus yards
• 29:58
  last year at Ole Miss. He's a home run type guy.
• 30:01
  So even if he's not your, your every down back, even if he's
• 30:04
  your, you know, kind of, or excuse me, a wide receiver, if
• 30:08
  he's a situational type guy, he can have a positive impact,
• 30:11
  stretch the field, get behind some safeties.
• 30:14
  I think collectively I'm comfortable with the room.
• 30:17
  And and then of course, there's this guy named George Kittle,
• 30:19
  who's one of, if not the best tight end in football.
• 30:21
  George Kittle is the one receiver for the 49ers that I'm
• 30:24
  actually confident in right now. If Jawan Jennings is there, I do
• 30:29
  have some confidence in him because he and Brock Purdy do
• 30:31
  have a lot of, like, they do have a good connection, I feel
• 30:34
  like. But if he's unhappy and he's not
• 30:37
  going to be there or he's just not going to play as hard
• 30:39
  because he wants a new contract or they're going to trade him,
• 30:42
  that gives me a lot less confidence in the wide
• 30:44
  receivers. But do you think that the 49ers
• 30:47
  will trade Jawan Jennings? Or do you think they'll pay him
• 30:49
  what he wants? I actually don't think either,
• 30:51
  to be honest with you. John Lynch has been has been
• 30:54
  pretty shrewd since 2017 and getting to the Niners.
• 30:57
  He he's got an attitude issue right now, but I, I'm not so
• 31:00
  certain that it's going to, to remain.
• 31:02
  I think the organization is pretty buttoned up.
• 31:05
  Last year is the first year that Juan Jennings ever had more than
• 31:09
  35 catches in The Four Seasons before last year, he his, his
• 31:14
  peak output was 35 catches. I think he had a 20 something
• 31:17
  catch year. Last year he went for 77 and
• 31:20
  that was because, you know, the latter half of the year he was
• 31:22
  the number one option. Joanne Jennings to me doesn't
• 31:24
  really seem like a number one option.
• 31:25
  He's kind of more of a slot guy in my opinion.
• 31:28
  Will he contribute? Yeah, he's proven that.
• 31:30
  I think the organization is smart enough to say, you know,
• 31:34
  he's valuable enough on a team that thinks that they're still
• 31:37
  in a window. He's not hardly being paid that
• 31:39
  much. I think he's making somewhere 4
• 31:41
  to 7 million. I I think if they just are are
• 31:44
  patient with him and he's patient with them, they'll,
• 31:45
  they'll make it to the start of the season without any attitude
• 31:48
  issues. I I would guess neither.
• 31:50
  I would guess neither a trade or an extension, yet he'll play out
• 31:53
  the year. Yeah, I, I like you said, I'm
• 31:55
  not super, super high on Juwan Jennings.
• 31:57
  I think he's a solid receiver, but I don't think he's a #1
• 32:00
  receiver. And I think the reason that he
• 32:03
  had those stats last year is because of, you know, there was
• 32:05
  the injury to Iuke there. Debo Samuel was not, you know,
• 32:11
  like he wasn't healthy. He had several reasons why he
• 32:14
  sat out of parts of games or missed games last year.
• 32:17
  And so I just feel like John Jennings was the only, I mean,
• 32:20
  aside from George Kittle was the only like consistent option that
• 32:25
  Brock pretty had. So I feel like that's why his
• 32:28
  stats were a little bit elevated from what they've been in the
• 32:30
  past. So I just don't think he's
• 32:32
  really like that #1 receiver, and he definitely doesn't
• 32:35
  deserve to be paid like a #1 receiver, in my opinion.
• 32:38
  I don't know exactly what he's looking for as far as
• 32:40
  compensation, but I don't feel like if I was the 49ers, I don't
• 32:44
  feel like I would pay him. Well, and for a guy like that
• 32:47
  you can't expect very much trade value out of it.
• 32:49
  The star player trade market has plummeted over the past few
• 32:53
  years. I mean it was not that long ago
• 32:56
  to see how he traded 2 number ones for Jamal Adams.
• 32:59
  Now you're getting star receivers going for 5th and 6th
• 33:03
  round picks and I have bag of rocks.
• 33:05
  It's it's nothing anymore and we're not talking about a star
• 33:08
  here, so he's going to be kind of stuck.
• 33:11
  He was this, this matters. In my opinion.
• 33:13
  He was a seventh round draft pick.
• 33:15
  And I think organizations if, if you're an average contributor,
• 33:18
  they'll look at where you came out, right?
• 33:20
  If you were a former first or second rounder, teams and GMs
• 33:24
  will go, OK, this guy could still mean something really good
• 33:26
  because back then when we were all looking at him to draft him,
• 33:29
  we had him ranked here, whereas John Jennings wasn't on anyone's
• 33:33
  draft board until the the seventh round.
• 33:36
  I agree, Will that there's not going to be a huge trade market
• 33:38
  for him. I, I think he may just get a
• 33:40
  little bit humbled. He, you know, with Debo on the
• 33:42
  team last year, he was the third option.
• 33:44
  And I don't think Debo's the number one receiver either.
• 33:47
  No, I've said it all in the show several times.
• 33:48
  I think he is probably the most overrated player in the NFL.
• 33:52
  I'm not a Debo fan at all. Yeah, I'm not a Debo Samuel fan
• 33:54
  at all. He's a Swiss army tool.
• 33:57
  He a lot of people are. In one.
• 33:59
  Well, yeah, a lot of people don't remember.
• 34:01
  He was hospitalized with pneumonia last year.
• 34:04
  And after that, yeah, through 10 games, he caught 31 balls after
• 34:09
  that. So I'm not suggesting that
• 34:11
  pneumonia needed, you know, took him 2 1/2 months to recover
• 34:13
  from. But you know, that's a pretty
• 34:15
  serious one. It is.
• 34:17
  I mean I think even before the last season he was super
• 34:19
  overrated in my opinion, but that's just me.
• 34:22
  It it all stemmed for him wanting to be paid like a
• 34:24
  running back and a receiver. But what he doesn't realize
• 34:27
  would neither one of them get paid very much and again, very
• 34:30
  much, right? We're talking way more than the
• 34:33
  average person. But still, it's just you can do
• 34:37
  both, OK? You're not an absolute All Star
• 34:40
  at both of them. If you can't statistically
• 34:43
  outpace your team's tight end, you don't deserve to call the
• 34:47
  shots for a bigger contract. Your job is wider, you think
• 34:52
  you're wide receiver one and your tight end is a better wide
• 34:56
  receiver than you like step up. I feel like wide receivers
• 35:00
  because I'm kind of it, it bums me out that there's not more
• 35:04
  like that. Wide receivers are kind of
• 35:05
  treated a little, I don't know, poorly, but there's a lot of
• 35:09
  them. It's kind of the same as running
• 35:10
  backs where it's like you're like only fan girls before you
• 35:13
  turn 25. It's like you got a really short
• 35:15
  window here and then after that it's like all downhill.
• 35:19
  It's like if you're running back, you got to come and you
• 35:21
  got to get your deal done quick because like you're going to get
• 35:24
  hurt and then you're only going to have like 7 solid years and
• 35:27
  then you're out. But I think with wide receivers,
• 35:30
  I feel like Jennings, I feel like he's got some like flashes.
• 35:33
  I mean, there's a game you had like 175 yards, 3 touchdowns.
• 35:36
  I mean, he hasn't done anything like that after that, but I feel
• 35:41
  like there's enough good wide receivers.
• 35:43
  And in fact, I would say the quarterback matters a lot more
• 35:47
  in that kind of situation. Like statistically, I mean, if
• 35:49
  you're a good running back, when you better hope you have an
• 35:51
  offensive line. If you're a good wide receiver,
• 35:54
  you better hope you have a good offensive line and quarterback
• 35:57
  because otherwise, like that's how you get the ball.
• 35:59
  Tyreek Hill last year just like crashed and burned statistically
• 36:03
  because his quarterback went out.
• 36:04
  So I feel like for the most part, it doesn't have as much to
• 36:07
  do with the individual wide receiver.
• 36:10
  I mean, there's still that talent level, but I think it's
• 36:13
  there's kind of a margin between like the top ten wide receivers
• 36:16
  in the rest. Feel like if you got a good
• 36:19
  quarterback, like any guy you have out there, we'll look good.
• 36:22
  Julian Edelman, you got Tom Brady throwing to the man.
• 36:27
  You put any wide receiver there, they're going to do well.
• 36:30
  So I feel like with him, it's like, dude, you're not.
• 36:32
  I don't feel like he's anyone special.
• 36:34
  I do feel like he has all the leverage in the world, though.
• 36:37
  I feel like the other the guy that's hurt, the guy who got
• 36:40
  shot in the chest, like, dude, you are wide receiver one like,
• 36:45
  so you are putting the organization between a rock and
• 36:47
  a hard place. But I feel like the organization
• 36:50
  is also in the right. And I feel like they should kind
• 36:53
  of push back and be like, no, we're not going to do this.
• 36:55
  We're not going to set that precedent for all the wide
• 36:59
  receivers now to be like, actually, yeah, I'm a little bit
• 37:01
  more valuable. I know that our team just
• 37:03
  suffered A misfortune with this injury.
• 37:05
  I'm going to add to it by now demanding more money.
• 37:08
  I feel like if I were the Niners, I'd be like, I try to
• 37:10
  make him look like the bad guy and then cut him loose and just
• 37:13
  sign another just as good wide receiver with a fresh set of
• 37:18
  attitudes. And there's there's a difference
• 37:21
  between being the best and being the best available.
• 37:24
  I say this at work all the time. Oh, who you got on your team
• 37:26
  right now? Who who's doing this for you
• 37:28
  guys? Oh, we're running transpired to
• 37:30
  this guy. Well, he's best available,
• 37:32
  right? This is who I've got doing it
• 37:33
  because he's best available. Same thing with Debo.
• 37:36
  He's, he's the best available, right?
• 37:40
  You put him on 1/3 of the teams in the NFL, he's not going to be
• 37:43
  #1 I mean, he went to a different team.
• 37:45
  He went to the team in Washington, right?
• 37:48
  That team has not been historically good.
• 37:50
  But he's not wanting to be wide receiver 11 out there.
• 37:53
  So he's he's best available for the situation he was in and now
• 37:56
  he's just another guy on the team.
• 37:59
  So that that's where this whole attitude things come from.
• 38:01
  You can have a certain level of attitude if you are also this
• 38:05
  much good, but when your attitude goes above your play
• 38:08
  level, you're no longer best available and you're just going
• 38:10
  to be shipped to the curb, pal. Yeah.
• 38:12
  Hey, I have a question for you guys because Avery mentioned
• 38:15
  this player. I just have a side question
• 38:17
  that's has nothing to do with the 49ers.
• 38:19
  Is Julian Edelman Hall of Famer? No.
• 38:21
  I mean, Carly, right? No.
• 38:23
  No, he's not. I thought you would know that.
• 38:24
  OK, let me rephrase the question.
• 38:26
  Will Julian Edelman be in the Hall of Fame?
• 38:29
  No, I. Don't think so.
• 38:30
  Probably not. Even if he has the third most
• 38:34
  receiving yards in the playoffs in NFL history.
• 38:37
  That's such a niche stat. Of course you have the third
• 38:40
  most. You went the number one most.
• 38:42
  You were there more than any largest ever.
• 38:44
  Of course you probably should have more.
• 38:46
  You should be higher up on that list.
• 38:48
  That you've. Underperformed.
• 38:50
  There was a kid I knew in college that bragged about how
• 38:52
  many miles he had travelled, like through the air.
• 38:55
  And all I could think about was like, I wonder what your dad
• 38:58
  does like it's. Like.
• 39:00
  Cool, dude. Like, that's sweet that you all
• 39:02
  throughout your childhood, you got these plane tickets.
• 39:04
  You know, it's like, I've got the most receptions.
• 39:06
  Like, wasn't Tom Brady your quarterback for a long time?
• 39:08
  He's like, yeah. It's like, OK, well, all right.
• 39:11
  It doesn't matter really who you are.
• 39:12
  I could have been that. He made some clutch plays in the
• 39:14
  playoffs though. You got it mate, he made some
• 39:16
  clutch. No, he's good, but I like to, I
• 39:18
  like to hold called the Hall of Fame in a little bit higher
• 39:22
  reverence. Well, but for what, for what
• 39:24
  it's worth, you guys remember just a couple years ago, they
• 39:26
  did the what was it the, the year there?
• 39:29
  There was like a special year. What they added, you know, it
• 39:31
  was year 50. I think they added in an extra
• 39:33
  25 players all at once. That was good in the sense that
• 39:37
  there were some names that got in that would have taken a lot
• 39:39
  longer to get in that were deserving to get in.
• 39:41
  But there was, if you look at that name of the 25 extra cats
• 39:44
  that got in, there were some guys that you're going really,
• 39:48
  is he really a Hall of Famer? And so under normal
• 39:51
  circumstances, we, we would all probably say no, But you know,
• 39:54
  how long until right. We're, we're 20 something years
• 39:57
  away from the 75th year anniversary.
• 39:59
  And, and whoever has replaced Rodger Goodell by then want to
• 40:02
  will want to make their mark on the NFL Hall of Fame.
• 40:04
  And maybe they add in an extra 25 people at that time.
• 40:07
  I could see Julian Edelman getting added in in a niche
• 40:10
  group of people like that. OK.
• 40:12
  So I want to ask you guys to follow up to that now.
• 40:16
  Devin Hester is in the Hall of Fame because of his returning
• 40:20
  ability. Could you see dwelling Element
• 40:22
  getting in for a similar reason to Devin Hester?
• 40:25
  Because Devin Hester's receiving stats are garbage.
• 40:28
  He's just in the Hall of Fame because of his return.
• 40:30
  Ability. I'm going to say no because you
• 40:33
  were not regularly double covering Julie Gentleman.
• 40:37
  You were not regularly scared because he was on the field.
• 40:40
  He wasn't the problem they. Probably should have been, but
• 40:44
  you had difference of coordinators saying kick the
• 40:46
  ball out of bounds, will take the penalty.
• 40:48
  Don't kick to that guy. They're not defense
• 40:51
  coordinators, especially teams coordinators, excuse me saying
• 40:53
  whatever you do, don't kick to that guy.
• 40:55
  You didn't have that with literally anybody else in the
• 40:58
  NFL at that time. It's a little different, right?
• 41:00
  He's the greatest return man of all time.
• 41:04
  There are probably 1 or a couple punters in, but they're probably
• 41:07
  only the greatest punters of all time.
• 41:09
  A position that we would never, never consider, except that
• 41:13
  they're literally the best to ever do it.
• 41:16
  Yeah, I don't. I don't.
• 41:17
  I guess what I'm saying is I don't think Julian Edelman's
• 41:20
  strength ranks are that. I don't want to say like
• 41:24
  impactful or like, I mean, returning is a big thing.
• 41:27
  Kicking field goals is a big thing.
• 41:29
  Punting, you know, strategically is a big thing.
• 41:32
  But I think like having Tom Brady's a quarterback and taking
• 41:36
  advantage of those moments, I mean, that's great.
• 41:39
  It's fantastic. I mean, he's kind of like the
• 41:42
  Dellavedova, you know? From the Cavs team where it's
• 41:45
  like. Yeah, dude, you did awesome.
• 41:47
  Or Jeremy Lin. It's like, yeah, you crushed it
• 41:49
  when Carmelo went out, but then everyone figured out your game
• 41:53
  and they they stopped you. Like that was impressive, but
• 41:56
  like, it's impressive because you're you're a small, you're a
• 41:59
  small white guy. So like.
• 42:02
  I don't know anyways. I think it was this way.
• 42:06
  Sorry just just my last thoughts.
• 42:07
  Here is it you can take, you can take almost any other wide
• 42:12
  receiver in the NFL with that time and swap them out for
• 42:15
  Julian Edelman and you're going to get probably similar stats.
• 42:19
  He did so well because he had such a good relationship with
• 42:22
  Tom Brady and he worked with them so much.
• 42:24
  And so they just knew he knew where to be and he knew where
• 42:27
  Tom wanted him to be. You cannot take any other
• 42:30
  returner in the NFL at that time.
• 42:33
  Swap them out with Devin Hester and even if come close to
• 42:36
  expecting the same level of production, OK.
• 42:39
  If he was funnier at the Tom Brady roast, we might have a
• 42:42
  different opinion, but he wasn't that funny and.
• 42:44
  Maybe he wasn't. That he wasn't that funny at the
• 42:46
  roast. Guys, I don't think we can even
• 42:48
  consider a green jacket or, I'm sorry, gold.
• 42:51
  Gold jacket, not a green jacket. That's.
• 42:53
  Wrong sport. Wrong.
• 42:54
  Sport. The green one we can consider,
• 42:56
  not the gold. Maybe.
• 42:57
  Yeah, maybe he can have I. Don't think his golf games that
• 42:59
  good. All right, anyways, back to the
• 43:03
  49ers. So let's talk a little bit about
• 43:05
  Brock Purdy. Yeah, so.
• 43:08
  The 49ers paid him a five year, $265 million contract.
• 43:14
  That's worse than Dak Dak. 'S is 60 million a year.
• 43:17
  It's not worse. Dang it, Dakson is.
• 43:20
  Dakson is by far the worst. I was hoping.
• 43:23
  Yeah, they paid him a five year, $265 million contract this
• 43:27
  offseason, which is an average of $53,000,000 a year.
• 43:30
  That's more than the average that Justin Herbert makes, Lamar
• 43:34
  Jackson makes, and Jalen Hertz makes.
• 43:37
  Do you think he deserves that and do you think he will live up
• 43:41
  to that contract? He has over performed his draft
• 43:44
  stock. What we have found with
• 43:45
  quarterback contracts the last handful of years, they just
• 43:49
  continue to go up and up and up. It won't take very long before
• 43:52
  several other QB contracts exceed that value and we'll be
• 43:56
  looking down at Purdy's contract going huh, that feels pretty
• 44:00
  reasonable now. It's really, really important to
• 44:03
  know this and I think you guys maybe already do.
• 44:05
  It is structured, very team friendly.
• 44:07
  This year the cap hit is only 9 point, 1,000,000, next year
• 44:11
  24.8. That's a good sum of money,
• 44:13
  right? But it's not 55 in 27, it's 30.8
• 44:17
  million. Again, very large sum of money,
• 44:19
  but not 55. It's only about 60% of that.
• 44:22
  It's a very team friendly, structured deal.
• 44:25
  Yeah, he's getting over $100 million guaranteed.
• 44:29
  But they did such a fantastic job of of kind of structuring
• 44:32
  the contract that if he meets expectations or exceeds
• 44:37
  expectations, he will have earned that money.
• 44:40
  If not, he won't be on the roster in four or five years
• 44:43
  from now and they will only have paid him 100 million, you know,
• 44:47
  in in a, in a 3-4 year time span.
• 44:49
  So it's not as damaging as I think a lot of people see it at
• 44:53
  face value that the ticker on the bottom of ESPN says that
• 44:56
  huge value. Everybody thinks, oh, the
• 44:59
  window's closed. San Francisco can't win anymore.
• 45:01
  They're paying too much money to that seventh round quarterback.
• 45:03
  Not so fast. So while you're talking, I
• 45:06
  actually just. Thought of a conversation I had
• 45:08
  with a a long time ago and I don't remember when this was or
• 45:11
  who it was about, but it was about an NBA player and and I
• 45:15
  was saying I can't believe that this team paid this guy this
• 45:18
  amount of money like he doesn't deserve that.
• 45:21
  And Avery was like, well, he does deserve it because they
• 45:24
  paid him it. Like he does deserve it because
• 45:26
  that's what the market value is. Do you remember that?
• 45:30
  Yeah, if someone has that amount of.
• 45:33
  Money and decides to give it to someone.
• 45:36
  You better believe that man deserves that money.
• 45:38
  Like that guy plans to make that money back.
• 45:41
  I mean, if he's an idiot or he's, he's a trust fund baby or
• 45:43
  something doing it, that's one thing.
• 45:45
  But when I see some sort of big payout, I'm like, the man's
• 45:48
  valuable. The man's valuable to that guy.
• 45:51
  I have, I have thoughts on this though.
• 45:53
  I actually I don't think it's overpaid at all.
• 45:56
  In fact, I think I was looking it's like the seventh highest
• 46:00
  quarterback contract currently or it's like tied for seventh.
• 46:03
  But on top of that, I looked at Joe Burrows contract who doesn't
• 46:07
  have the highest think DAC is still the highest and Joe Burrow
• 46:11
  though has the largest share of his team salary cap at like 24%
• 46:18
  and some change. Purdy has like 18.
• 46:21
  It's like, I think it's like 17 or 18%.
• 46:24
  It's like a lot, a lot lower considering it's about the same
• 46:27
  amount. That being said, I don't think
• 46:29
  he's robbing his team. But also I was looking something
• 46:33
  up yesterday and it made me think about this.
• 46:38
  If there was a quarterback that spent two years for a team
• 46:42
  starting and averaged in those two years, well, I guess I think
• 46:47
  total he had like 3200 yards for two seasons, Two seasons, 3200
• 46:51
  yards, 11 touchdowns and 22 interceptions.
• 46:56
  Like garbage, Like not good at all, then gets traded and is a
• 46:59
  backup somewhere for four years. Do you think it's likely that
• 47:03
  that man becomes a Hall of Famer?
• 47:06
  No, no. No, I mean, obviously I'm
• 47:08
  telling. The Story League.
• 47:09
  With the leading questions and stuff.
• 47:10
  But yeah, he it's Steve Young. I all that to say, I was looking
• 47:15
  up his career because I didn't know much about him.
• 47:17
  It makes me think that a lot of this comes down like the same
• 47:20
  with wide receivers and their play compared to their
• 47:22
  quarterbacks. I think a lot of it is the
• 47:24
  quarterbacks compared to the rest of the team.
• 47:26
  I feel like Joe Montana and the what's his name, Walsh.
• 47:30
  Who was who was the quarterback back then?
• 47:32
  Bill Walsh, Bill Walsh all. Right.
• 47:37
  They were doing great. So he inherits this system.
• 47:41
  He's got Jerry Rice, he's got all these other like legendary
• 47:44
  weapons there, does really well, has some good seasons, but it's
• 47:47
  not like he was some amazing, amazing quarterback.
• 47:51
  I think a lot of it was like getting in the rhythm of it.
• 47:53
  You were a backup for four years, came in, then he got hurt
• 47:59
  after going four and four. Some of the third string
• 48:02
  quarterback comes in, wins like five straight games, then he
• 48:06
  gets hurt and they had already decided because his last game
• 48:09
  that he started they, what's his name, Joe or no Joe?
• 48:13
  Steve Young was healthy and ready to go back in.
• 48:15
  Coaching staff decided now we're sticking with the third Stringer
• 48:18
  because he's actually winning games and then after that game
• 48:21
  he gets hurt. So Steve Young does go back in
• 48:25
  and then from then on basically just Hall of Fame career
• 48:28
  statistics like the whole rest of the way.
• 48:31
  All that to say is I think there's too much emphasis put on
• 48:35
  individual stats as if these are individual mini games that these
• 48:38
  players are playing rather than a individual or than a team
• 48:41
  based game. I think Kyle Shanahan, was it
• 48:45
  Kyle Shanahan or who's the Shanahan that's currently there?
• 48:49
  Kyle, Kyle, Who's the other one? Mike is a.
• 48:52
  Stat MM that's right. I get better because I was.
• 48:54
  Looking up, so I, I've got both of them.
• 48:57
  I think Kyle Shanahan's a great coach.
• 48:58
  And I think that like you, Josh was saying, I think that they've
• 49:01
  got the culture, they've got the office.
• 49:03
  I think they just have a lot more it's more ordered in
• 49:05
  structure than a lot of organizations right now.
• 49:07
  And I think that that kind of system.
• 49:10
  And then I think the contract that was given to Purdy is less
• 49:14
  about the money and more about the confidence of the
• 49:17
  organization. Can give him, can give him
• 49:19
  basically by saying, look, I know for the past like 4 years,
• 49:22
  you felt like you are just one bad game away from being traded.
• 49:26
  Like you are this guy that came in, you're the Jeremy Lin of
• 49:29
  this team right now. Like this is impressive that
• 49:32
  you're doing this. But like, we still think this is
• 49:35
  a fluke because of, you know, where you were drafted, where
• 49:38
  you came from. You weren't some highly touted
• 49:40
  quarterback. But now that we're giving you
• 49:42
  this money like we are investing in you and I'm, I have, I guess
• 49:47
  I don't like the 49ers. I don't like Kyle Shanahan, but
• 49:50
  I respect him enough to think that if he's doing that, they've
• 49:53
  got to have a plan here because there's no way you would sign a
• 49:56
  quarterback that's middle of the road in my mind to this massive
• 50:00
  contract just to keep you right in the middle of the NFLI.
• 50:03
  Think that there's more to this guy than I see Well, and I think
• 50:08
  it's important. Relativity as someone who's been
• 50:11
  a 30 year 49ers fan, you know Steve Young was still on the
• 50:15
  team when when my fandom began since then it's it's been a
• 50:19
  little bit of a mess I mean Alex Smith was promising and Colin
• 50:23
  Kaepernick was promising they can't come back.
• 50:26
  It's. Again, it's still.
• 50:28
  Working out. To say that he's overpaid I.
• 50:32
  I can only, you know, compare him to everyone else that we've
• 50:36
  had on the roster for the last 30 years.
• 50:39
  Jeff Garcia, who was in his mid to late 30s by the time, yeah,
• 50:43
  by the time we had him on the team, you know, on the team for,
• 50:45
  for two or three years at the tail end of his career.
• 50:48
  You know, I think he actually might have been in his early 30s
• 50:49
  because he went on to Cleveland after that.
• 50:51
  So that's where he went today. Well, like Dak for example, I, I
• 50:57
  actually think this is my opinion.
• 50:59
  I feel like Tony Romo is better than Dak.
• 51:01
  So if I was a 30 year Cowboys fan, I would be apoplectic about
• 51:04
  the money that they gave to Dak Prescott because the team has
• 51:08
  proven that they can find a better quarterback.
• 51:11
  The team hasn't proven in San Francisco that they can find a
• 51:13
  better quarterback in a 30 year run.
• 51:15
  You know, I, I think I would, I would venture to guess if you
• 51:18
  were to look at a 5 or 10 year sample size of all of the first
• 51:22
  round quarterbacks draft Brock pretty is better than over half
• 51:26
  of them. They got a good guy.
• 51:28
  He's maybe not the top three, top five top 6 quarterbacks in
• 51:31
  the league, but he's capable of taking the team to the Super
• 51:33
  Bowl, just not winning one. Sorry, I had shots fired.
• 51:40
  I I didn't say this before. When?
• 51:42
  Avery was talking about Shanahan, but I was going to say
• 51:44
  unless he's in the Super Bowl, he's a good coach.
• 51:46
  But when he's in the Super Bowl, not so much.
• 51:48
  I wish I could. Disagree with that?
• 51:52
  I wish I could disagree. We'd like to pick.
• 51:54
  Out part of that sentence I truly cared about.
• 51:57
  I also agree Tony Romo better than DAC Prescott.
• 52:00
  I didn't hear a single other word you said.
• 52:01
  Then you said Cowboys players and I started paying attention.
• 52:04
  So yes, I agree Tony Romo better than DAC Prescott.
• 52:09
  Also when you said Prescott, you could not have sounded like a
• 52:12
  more old white person. So thank you for doing that as
• 52:15
  well. It was just like, just like
• 52:16
  Avery when he was saying Tony. Dorsett last week.
• 52:20
  Dorsett, Tony Dorsett. Dorsett.
• 52:23
  Is it Dorset? Yeah, yeah, it's Dorset.
• 52:27
  I didn't. Make fun of you I.
• 52:29
  Didn't make fun of you last? Week so I had to this time.
• 52:32
  Yeah, I didn't even know it. All right, we're getting a
• 52:37
  little bit low on time here. So just a couple more questions
• 52:39
  for you, Josh. OK, no problem.
• 52:41
  So. Just real quick answer on this.
• 52:44
  One So which of the 49ers draft picks was your favorite and why?
• 52:48
  I will try to go quick. I'm going to touch on.
• 52:50
  Two first one is the obvious one, right?
• 52:53
  They've got the the first round pick who is 11th overall.
• 52:57
  Help me. Help me remember the D lineman
• 52:59
  Michael Williams. Thank you.
• 53:01
  Yep. Yep.
• 53:02
  He's going to be a contributor right away, but that's kind of
• 53:05
  low hanging fruit, right? When you're top 12 drafted,
• 53:07
  you're supposed to be a contributor.
• 53:09
  But but, but kind of the one that I touched on earlier is
• 53:11
  that Jordan Watkins from from Ole Miss, the wide receiver, I
• 53:14
  think he's going to have an impact this year.
• 53:16
  There's going to be a couple long touchdowns that make it on
• 53:19
  ESPN as a first year player as a rookie because of his speed.
• 53:23
  He he's brought in, he's he's drafted for a very specific
• 53:27
  niche. He's not he's not going to be
• 53:30
  catching 6-8 balls a game. He's going to catch one or two a
• 53:33
  game, and 1:00 every third game is going to be a deep, deep
• 53:36
  ball. I would say that was a really
• 53:38
  sneaky good value pick in my opinion.
• 53:40
  Yeah, I like that. I think he can be a.
• 53:42
  Contributor for them, especially with, you know, the situation
• 53:45
  that they have with their wide receiver room, he's going to
• 53:47
  have opportunities. And so it's not like he's going
• 53:49
  to have a lack of opportunities. And I think with, like you said,
• 53:51
  with that speed, he could be a contributor on not a ton of
• 53:55
  plays, but he's going to make some some plays in each game
• 53:59
  that's going to make a difference in them either
• 54:01
  winning or losing. So I like that a lot.
• 54:04
  All right, so the next question is which NFC West team is the
• 54:09
  biggest threat to the 49ers this season and why do you think that
• 54:14
  is? I would say it's.
• 54:16
  It's not. Even debatable it's the LA Rams,
• 54:18
  one of the best head coaches in football, still a top tier
• 54:23
  quarterback, a committed owner that's always willing to bring
• 54:26
  in good pieces that that defensive line with Jared Verse.
• 54:29
  I mean, they proved it when they got to the playoffs last year.
• 54:31
  They underperformed throughout the regular season because of
• 54:33
  injuries and then they got to the playoffs and and kind of
• 54:36
  exceeded a lot of people's expectations.
• 54:38
  I I wouldn't be surprised if they made some made some some
• 54:41
  noise come playoff time again. However, I mean, they do have a
• 54:45
  first place schedule. If you look at their schedule,
• 54:46
  they've got like seven playoff teams on their schedule.
• 54:49
  San Francisco doesn't this year. San Francisco, I think besides
• 54:52
  the Rams, I think that's the only two games that they have
• 54:54
  against the playoff team. Everyone else they'll be
• 54:56
  favorite, if not in every one of the 17 games they may end up.
• 55:00
  I mean, if they if they meet expectations or exceed
• 55:03
  expectations, they'll likely be favored in every game they play
• 55:05
  this even a couple of their difficult opponents.
• 55:08
  They play at Tampa. I mean, does that does that make
• 55:11
  you scared for people that really know how how good San
• 55:14
  Francisco is? They were, you know, an overtime
• 55:16
  away from beating the chiefs in the Super Bowl 18 months ago.
• 55:19
  I I think they could do really, really well with statistically
• 55:23
  the worst, worst schedule going to Tampa real quick I'm.
• 55:26
  AI am a Baker Mayfield Glazer. I love Baker Mayfield.
• 55:31
  I I love that guy. Did you just did you just.
• 55:35
  Use Glazer as if you were some hip 20 year old.
• 55:38
  You've been blazing that guy. Good golly, yes.
• 55:41
  Yeah. Or a loss.
• 55:42
  Or a loss. Yeah, I took my aura away.
• 55:49
  I'm not going to try to aura farm.
• 55:50
  It's not working anyway. I'm AFK, I'm AFK aura farming.
• 55:55
  Right now. All right.
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  I'm going to cut that part. I just learned about this I.
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  Just learned about. This word on.
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  Friday, I had no idea what you were talking about.
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  I'm just. I'm the youngest on this.
• 56:11
  Show I should be using those words.
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  OK, final question and this, well, I guess it's technically a
• 56:20
  question, but I want you to do a game by game win loss prediction
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  for the 49ers. So I'm going to read off each
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  week's game and then I want you to just tell us, win or loss,
• 56:31
  let's do it. I do.
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  I do it every April. Or may when the schedule comes
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  out. We all do that with our team,
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  right? Yes, yes we did.
• 56:37
  Avery does that with his. Team right?
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  Yeah, Avery C Signor. All right.
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  Week 1 at the Seahawks. That's a win Seattle is going
• 56:45
  to. Underperform this year?
• 56:47
  OK Week 2 at the Saints. Easy win.
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  Week 3. Home versus the Cardinals.
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  Because they're at home. I'll give them the win 3 and O
• 56:57
  wait, is anybody who's at home? Who's at home?
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  San. Francisco is at home Week 3.
• 57:02
  OK, home opener and so Lauren, she recording aren't she doing?
• 57:06
  I thought you were keeping a record.
• 57:07
  Well, I wasn't, but I am now. He's got a win, win, win.
• 57:11
  Yep. OK.
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  Week 4 Home versus the. Jags I'm going to give.
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  Him the home field advantage Jacksonville's coming from
• 57:19
  Eastern Time zone. I'll give San Francisco the win
• 57:22
  for a four and O start OK week 5 out the Rams.
• 57:27
  Yeah, rims. Are a good team on the road
• 57:29
  short week I'm going to give the Rams the nod this one.
• 57:32
  First loss of the season Week 6 at the Bucks going to the.
• 57:36
  Eastern Time zone, Tampa's. Formidable I'll I'll give Tampa
• 57:39
  the win there too. They lose 2 straight and people
• 57:41
  start to look for the panic button in San Francisco.
• 57:44
  It's like straight up just like calling.
• 57:46
  It exactly how it's going to go. Yeah, exactly it.
• 57:49
  Was like this sounds exactly how I.
• 57:51
  Feel like it's. Just everything you get rid of
• 57:53
  Brock, Bernie's, you know, it's. 2.
• 57:54
  Games in a row? Yep, Yep.
• 57:56
  Wait, is Christian McCaffrey? Still healthy at this point, he
• 58:00
  yes, he's healthy. Thank goodness OK when he's.
• 58:04
  Not when I go through. This when he's not, just let me
• 58:06
  know. OK, OK, OK, let me say.
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  When say when, say when? All right, or maybe or maybe
• 58:14
  maybe he got injured in Jacksonville, but it's a short,
• 58:17
  small injury. He'll be back in a few weeks.
• 58:19
  Yeah, it's a, it's a small injury.
• 58:21
  So that's. So that's why they lose.
• 58:23
  The two, right? That's why they lose, yeah.
• 58:25
  Yep, so he at the at the tail end of the Jacksonville.
• 58:27
  Game, they were already up two scores, but yeah, so So he
• 58:30
  missed both of the last two games.
• 58:32
  We're four and two and everyone's worried.
• 58:34
  OK, yes, All right. Week 7 Home versus the.
• 58:36
  Falcons, He's still injured. We're going to squeak past.
• 58:39
  Atlanta, I think there's there's you know, Merritt in the East
• 58:43
  Coast, West Coast thing, Sunday Night Football.
• 58:46
  All right, week. 8 at the Texans.
• 58:48
  CMC still out, We're at Houston. We'll lose that game.
• 58:51
  We are now five and three-week 9 at the Giants.
• 58:55
  Easy, easy victory. Mccaffrey's back, by the way.
• 58:59
  They they win by three scores. Probably Jackson Dart's first
• 59:03
  start of the season. Jackson Dart.
• 59:05
  They lose the Giants. Lose but dart.
• 59:08
  Does. Surprisingly well, and chatter
• 59:10
  begins to rise in New York just. So everybody knows who's
• 59:16
  listening to this podcast. Who doesn't like Jackson Dart.
• 59:18
  When Jackson Dart is a great quarterback, I will rub it in
• 59:22
  your face. I will.
• 59:23
  And I'll be behind him being like, yeah.
• 59:25
  Joel. Tell them.
• 59:27
  Rub it in their face, Joel. All right, Week 10 home versus
• 59:33
  the Rams, we'll get that V7 and three.
• 59:36
  Week 11 at the Cardinals. We'll lose.
• 59:38
  On the road 7 and. 4 Wolf OK Week 12 Home versus the
• 59:43
  Panthers. That's a dub Monday Night
• 59:45
  Football. At right.
• 59:47
  Now, there is no way. There's no way the Panthers win
• 59:51
  a Monday Night Football game. No, it's for sure getting flexed
• 59:54
  out. There's no way.
• 59:54
  Yeah. All right.
• 59:57
  Week 13 at the Browns. Cleveland's terrible.
• 59:59
  That'll be a win. OK, week. 14 is a bye week 15.
• 1:00:03
  Home versus the Titans This will be a complete.
• 1:00:08
  Drubbing a complete blowout coming off the bottom, we're
• 1:00:12
  going to say that was going to be a close.
• 1:00:14
  Game I was like, what are you doing?
• 1:00:15
  With this a complete blowout, this will be a drubbing.
• 1:00:19
  People will will turn it off by the second quarter.
• 1:00:22
  It's a win. San Francisco goes ten and four.
• 1:00:26
  OK, Week 16 at the Colts, Monday Night Football.
• 1:00:29
  I've got a win there too. Which?
• 1:00:31
  One, I'm like over there season win total with two games left.
• 1:00:35
  That's right. Week 17 at home versus the
• 1:00:37
  Bears. I could see.
• 1:00:38
  Chicago being all right this year, I'm going to have them.
• 1:00:41
  Lose in that game. OK, you said the right thing.
• 1:00:43
  We have a few Bears fans who listen to this show, so.
• 1:00:45
  Oh. Good, good, good, good.
• 1:00:47
  OK. So you haven't?
• 1:00:48
  Been 11 in the. 6 that'd be that'd be 1111 and 5 going into.
• 1:00:54
  Week 18 against Seattle? Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Week 18 versus Seattle. Home versus Seattle.
• 1:00:59
  Yeah, that's if if the game. Means anything, which I think
• 1:01:03
  with only eleven wins at will, I think they'll beat up on Seattle
• 1:01:06
  in Week 18 to go. I could see that game getting
• 1:01:09
  flexed into a more. Prominent time period big
• 1:01:12
  revelry game. It's probably with Sam Darnold
• 1:01:16
  leading the boys up there. It's probably going to mean
• 1:01:18
  something for both teams. Possibly winner gets a wild card
• 1:01:21
  spot. I don't think it'll be for the
• 1:01:22
  division, but like that could have serious playoff
• 1:01:24
  implications on that. Winner gets a loser loser dozens
• 1:01:27
  that that night backs to be a really good in the season game.
• 1:01:31
  Well, well, what Week 18 though the last year there is.
• 1:01:34
  No Sunday night, Thursday night or Monday night.
• 1:01:35
  So it would have to be the marquee game.
• 1:01:37
  It'd have to be the Sunday. Well, there's a Sunday night.
• 1:01:40
  There's a Sunday game, there's a Sunday night.
• 1:01:42
  It would have to be the marquee. Game.
• 1:01:43
  It's the only prime time. Game that gets flexed into so to
• 1:01:46
  to think that Seattle is good enough to compete right.
• 1:01:48
  I mean you're you're you're saying that the the Rams would
• 1:01:51
  be kind of locked into the one spot and then San Francisco and
• 1:01:56
  Seattle vying for, you know, both at 10 or 11 wins vying for
• 1:01:59
  a playoff spot yeah, seems feasible.
• 1:02:02
  Seems feasible. OK, so wait, so so at 12 and
• 1:02:05
  five are the 40? Nine years winning the division
• 1:02:07
  or no? They are, but not because
• 1:02:10
  they're better. Than the Rams.
• 1:02:12
  I think they're pretty equal to the Rams.
• 1:02:13
  The Rams just have a first place schedule.
• 1:02:14
  They have to go to Baltimore, they have to go to Philadelphia.
• 1:02:18
  They have a murderer's row of teams that they play against and
• 1:02:21
  San Francisco just plays a bunch of Patsies.
• 1:02:23
  They have to go to the Ravens and the Eagles, Yeah.
• 1:02:27
  I was looking. Yeah, that's and and others and
• 1:02:32
  others and others. Yeah, It's, it's it's rough.
• 1:02:35
  I think they play against the Chiefs.
• 1:02:37
  I I was looking at it earlier. They play against a bunch of
• 1:02:40
  pretty nasty teams. All right, all right, I like the
• 1:02:44
  prediction. So.
• 1:02:45
  We have a Seahawks fan saying the Seahawks are winning the
• 1:02:47
  division and we have a 49ers fan saying the 49ers are winning the
• 1:02:50
  division. Weird.
• 1:02:51
  So I know, right? Will, Will, we should just say
• 1:02:55
  the Cowboys are winning the division.
• 1:02:57
  They're not. They're going to fight for 3rd
• 1:02:59
  place. They're going.
• 1:03:00
  To they're going to be in an absolute knockout.
• 1:03:02
  Drag. Out for not last.
• 1:03:04
  It'll be them and the Giants who can get to six wins first.
• 1:03:08
  That's who's going to Whoever gets to six wins first is going
• 1:03:11
  to not get 4th. It's going to go Eagles,
• 1:03:15
  Washington and then flip a coin. You're going.
• 1:03:22
  To get third baby. It depends on.
• 1:03:24
  How early the Giants like Jackson?
• 1:03:26
  Darts start so Joel the the. The Seattle fan who thinks that
• 1:03:33
  their team's going to win, I think there's some value in
• 1:03:35
  looking at who odds makers. Vegas money says that Seattle is
• 1:03:40
  a 7 1/2 season win total over under.
• 1:03:45
  The Rams are at 9 1/2 in San Francisco's at 10 1/2.
• 1:03:47
  So, I mean, I get a Seattle fan feeling warm and fuzzy, but
• 1:03:51
  people that are putting their money billions of dollars,
• 1:03:54
  putting their money where their mouth is, are saying that
• 1:03:55
  Seattle's going to finish last in the division.
• 1:03:58
  Those odds makers are no joke, no?
• 1:04:01
  Joke I've done some sports betting with over under and it's
• 1:04:04
  crazy scary how close they get if you guys can't tell I mean
• 1:04:09
  they kind of know everything so it's.
• 1:04:11
  Like they have money riding. On it or something something.
• 1:04:13
  Yeah, if you guys. Can't tell.
• 1:04:15
  I can't stand Seattle. I mean, yeah, sure.
• 1:04:18
  You have to, yeah. Therefore, a little bit it was
• 1:04:20
  the most fierce. Rivalry in football.
• 1:04:22
  All right, Well, that's all we have time for on our.
• 1:04:25
  Episode today. Thank you to Josh for coming on.
• 1:04:28
  We appreciate having you. And before we end, I just have
• 1:04:30
  to clarify one thing for anybody who was wondering.
• 1:04:32
  I'm sure nobody was, but last time we said we were going to.
• 1:04:35
  When we ended, we said we were going to talk about Trevor
• 1:04:38
  Lawrence and the Jaguars. We decided against that because
• 1:04:40
  Trevor Lawrence sucks and the Jaguar sucks and nobody wants to
• 1:04:43
  talk about them anyway. So we did not talk about them.
• 1:04:46
  So that's why we did not talk about Trevor Lawrence and the
• 1:04:49
  Jaguars. We will have to revisit that.
• 1:04:51
  I actually have a person who came up to.
• 1:04:52
  Me and said I'm really excited for you guys to talk about
• 1:04:55
  Trevor Lawrence. I I have a coworker of mine who
• 1:04:59
  has a Jaguars helmet on his desk and said I'm really excited for
• 1:05:03
  you guys to talk about Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:05:04
  OK, I went because he's good. He went no, because he's not
• 1:05:08
  that needs to be talked about yeah.
• 1:05:10
  I would also like an opportunity to pile on some.
• 1:05:13
  Shit. On to Trevor Lawrence as well.
• 1:05:15
  So all right, well, I'll keep that in.
• 1:05:18
  Mind, we'll have to talk. About him, we'll have to circle
• 1:05:20
  back well, since we're on the trend of saying we're going.
• 1:05:23
  To talk about him next time and then.
• 1:05:24
  Just not doing it. I'll say we're going to talk
• 1:05:25
  about Trevor Lawrence next time, so we'll see.
• 1:05:28
  We'll see. All right.
• 1:05:29
  Well, that's. All we have time for you on.
• 1:05:30
  Today's episode again, thanks to Josh for coming on.
• 1:05:33
  And as always, don't forget to keep your balls played with.
• 1:05:37
  We'll see you next time. Bye everybody.
• 1:05:39
  Thanks so much gentlemen. Also, Mark Davis and Sarah Kyle
• 1:05:41
  still sucks.