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- 0:00[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, what's up, everybody?
- 0:01[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to another episode of The Dogs Podcast.
- 0:04[SPEAKER_00]: Josh, all Kenny Mac, Dog, Pack, Discord Thursday.
- 0:07[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to preview this so-called game.
- 0:12[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we're calling it a game on Sunday.
- 0:14[SPEAKER_00]: When the Browns host the Ravens.
- 0:16[SPEAKER_00]: in Cleveland.
- 0:17[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to dive into that.
- 0:19[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get everybody who wants to get up on stage up here to talk, give us your questions, your perspectives, your predictions for the game, or just anything going on with the Browns right now.
- 0:30[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the way I kind of want to structure things today, Kenny.
- 0:34[SPEAKER_00]: is we got a couple housekeeping things to do at the beginning and then I want to go through my should be all for the preview and then open it up after that because I think my my should be all's pretty quick pretty short and sweet and then we can just open up the rest of the show to everybody down here who wants to come up and talk.
- 0:54[SPEAKER_00]: Sound good.
- 0:55[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
- 0:56[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
- 0:56[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you guys want to be part of these dog pack discord episodes, just head to join the dogs.
- 1:00[SPEAKER_00]: Dot com, become an official dog pack member on the Patreon page, think up with the private discord, get access to everything we're doing there, all the great people.
- 1:07[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, these discord episodes.
- 1:10[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny, you've got a couple of things you want to shout out.
- 1:13[SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep them brief, but make sure everybody knows what's going on.
- 1:16[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead and kick it off with the first one.
- 1:19[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, guys.
- 1:20[SPEAKER_04]: I'm heading to Vegas and for you guys, don't watch.
- 1:23[SPEAKER_04]: I run my own Browns Bakters chapter.
- 1:25[SPEAKER_04]: That's officially recognized by the Cleveland Browns.
- 1:27[SPEAKER_04]: But with that, I actually sit on their leadership council.
- 1:30[SPEAKER_04]: So I see many of these parties that Browns Bakters do.
- 1:34[SPEAKER_04]: And just so happens, we're in Vegas in about 10 days.
- 1:38[SPEAKER_04]: And we're going to have a massive bash there.
- 1:40[SPEAKER_04]: It is actually going to be at Evolve Brewing.
- 1:43[SPEAKER_04]: And it's by the Vegas dog pound.
- 1:46[SPEAKER_04]: They are a chapter up in Las Vegas.
- 1:48[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a great time.
- 1:50[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be about three hours.
- 1:51[SPEAKER_04]: It is November 22nd.
- 1:53[SPEAKER_04]: It's from 5 to 8 p.m. And they have their own dog pound beer, just like I do at my venue.
- 2:01[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to have Miller and Coors Light for six bucks.
- 2:04[SPEAKER_04]: The other beers are six bucks as well.
- 2:06[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to also have these things called Jack Daniel's Apple Mules.
- 2:09[SPEAKER_04]: So that'll be interesting.
- 2:11[SPEAKER_04]: But this is the biggest thing that's going to happen.
- 2:13[SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be two players there.
- 2:15[SPEAKER_04]: And actually, I'm announcing to you guys for the first time before anybody knows the second player.
- 2:20[SPEAKER_04]: But the first player is going to be Gary Barnett.
- 2:21[SPEAKER_04]: So if you want to hang around big, play Gary Barnett, come on down.
- 2:27[SPEAKER_04]: Do we evolve brewing if you're going to be in Las Vegas?
- 2:31[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm hearing now.
- 2:32[SPEAKER_04]: I just found this out about two hours ago that my cat wants to be here.
- 2:37[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
- 2:38[SPEAKER_00]: Do it live, they say.
- 2:41[SPEAKER_04]: I knew that was going to happen.
- 2:42[SPEAKER_04]: I saw their shadow coming in again, but the jet is going to be there.
- 2:46[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like, oh well.
- 2:48[SPEAKER_04]: So that was anti climatic, thanks, Kat.
- 2:50[SPEAKER_04]: And so that's going to be a great, great time.
- 2:54[SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking forward to seeing you guys there.
- 2:56[SPEAKER_04]: If you guys are in the discord, Ash and the Joker, he is going to be there as well.
- 3:01[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to have a blast anybody in the area.
- 3:04[SPEAKER_04]: leave in comments.
- 3:05[SPEAKER_04]: I'll hook you up for sure.
- 3:07[SPEAKER_04]: Don't stay on the strip guys.
- 3:09[SPEAKER_04]: It's gonna be busy with F1.
- 3:11[SPEAKER_04]: Second thing is super important guys.
- 3:13[SPEAKER_04]: It's November and if you guys follow this podcast, you know what it means for me.
- 3:17[SPEAKER_04]: It's November.
- 3:18[SPEAKER_04]: I am a cancer survivor.
- 3:20[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a testicular cancer survivor.
- 3:23[SPEAKER_04]: I'm always going to be one ounce less than I should.
- 3:25[SPEAKER_04]: That's my little joke.
- 3:26[SPEAKER_04]: And if you guys want
- 3:30[SPEAKER_04]: link out to in the comments for this.
- 3:34[SPEAKER_04]: Also Josh puts it out there every so often.
- 3:37[SPEAKER_04]: But the main thing is males need to talk males need to talk about mental and physical wellness.
- 3:43[SPEAKER_04]: Myself as a cancer survivor.
- 3:46[SPEAKER_04]: It's super important.
- 3:47[SPEAKER_04]: I could adjust ignored some certain things.
- 3:50[SPEAKER_04]: I went.
- 3:50[SPEAKER_04]: I did something about it.
- 3:52[SPEAKER_04]: But the main thing is is to fight against that.
- 3:54[SPEAKER_04]: but against help with mental wellness and prevent male suicide.
- 3:59[SPEAKER_04]: So guys, help males live longer.
- 4:03[SPEAKER_04]: Please support me.
- 4:04[SPEAKER_04]: Last but not least, if you are in the 613 area, I do my big Mo event every year.
- 4:10[SPEAKER_04]: It will be for the 49ers game.
- 4:13[SPEAKER_04]: If you are in that area,
- 4:15[SPEAKER_04]: So 613 is Eastern Ontario.
- 4:17[SPEAKER_04]: I will be having a big fundraiser and I felt Canada is supporting $250 gift certificate to win.
- 4:24[SPEAKER_04]: We have a Christian Kirksey sign ball and we also have Denzel Fricking Ward sign ball.
- 4:30[SPEAKER_04]: I'll put all that stuff out there, but thanks for listening to me, everybody.
- 4:34[SPEAKER_04]: Please do help.
- 4:35[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.
- 4:36[SPEAKER_00]: So the link to Kenny's November campaign.
- 4:39[SPEAKER_00]: It will be in the description of this show.
- 4:41[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to post it all over our social media pages and everything else.
- 4:43[SPEAKER_00]: So go make sure you guys check that out.
- 4:46[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, if you feel willing, just donate to that cause, it is a great campaign.
- 4:52[SPEAKER_00]: We do it every year.
- 4:53[SPEAKER_00]: And we love supporting our boy, Kenny Mac.
- 4:56[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
- 4:56[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, appreciate it guys.
- 4:58[SPEAKER_04]: I'm at I'm not my goal is only 200 or 2500.
- 5:01[SPEAKER_04]: I'm at 1265 right now.
- 5:04[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
- 5:04[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get a smash it.
- 5:05[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get him there.
- 5:07[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
- 5:07[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to run down real quick.
- 5:09[SPEAKER_00]: Might be off for this game on Sunday.
- 5:11[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny when I'm done.
- 5:12[SPEAKER_00]: I'll kick it over to you for some input and feedback.
- 5:15[SPEAKER_00]: And then guys in the audience down there, get your hands up as I go through this as we're talking and we will get to you as soon as we wrap up our preview to talk about whatever you guys have on your plates.
- 5:27[SPEAKER_00]: So this weekend, the four and five Baltimore Ravens coming into Cleveland to face the two and seven Browns, the Ravens are storming in as a 7.5 point favorite on the road in the divisional matchup, which tells you that Vegas has zero faith whatsoever in the Browns this week.
- 5:44[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we have yet another sub 40 over under at 39.5 points with the Browns plus 320 to win the game.
- 5:52[SPEAKER_00]: So again, there's no need to get cute about anything this week.
- 5:54[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to tell you guys exactly how I feel.
- 5:57[SPEAKER_00]: I do not believe the Browns are going to be anywhere close to winning this ballgame.
- 6:01[SPEAKER_00]: My, the Raven started the season one and five, just like the Browns did.
- 6:04[SPEAKER_00]: If you recall, the only win that they had for a while was that 41 to 17 drumming over the Browns in week two.
- 6:11[SPEAKER_00]: But they're actually a good team, unlike we are.
- 6:14[SPEAKER_00]: And they've stacked together three straight wins in a row.
- 6:17[SPEAKER_00]: They've won all three by at least to touch down.
- 6:20[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the Bears 30 to 16.
- 6:22[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the Dolphins 28 to 6.
- 6:23[SPEAKER_00]: And they just beat the Vikings 27 to 19 last week.
- 6:27[SPEAKER_00]: This is their third straight game on the road.
- 6:29[SPEAKER_00]: But with Brown's ticket prices now is low as $6, expect to see a strong showing of purple and black in the stadium on Sunday.
- 6:37[SPEAKER_00]: sort of run through quick stats and then I'll kick it over to Kenny the Browns so I have the second best defense in terms of yours per game allowed.
- 6:43[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
- 6:44[SPEAKER_00]: As a team we allow 23.4 points per game which is middle of the pack and adds a team.
- 6:49[SPEAKER_00]: We still only muster a measly 16.2 points per game.
- 6:53[SPEAKER_00]: Fourth lowest in the league.
- 6:54[SPEAKER_00]: The Ravens on the other hand, average 25.4 points score per game.
- 6:59[SPEAKER_00]: That's top 10 in the NFL so I fully expect them to get there's this week.
- 7:03[SPEAKER_00]: And what I also expect this week, we can talk about it in a little bit too with you know you guys is turnovers from Dylan Gabriel I talked about it on the Tuesday show if you guys watch that Gabriel has the third highest turnover worthy play rate in the entire league and this is a game where I won't be surprised to see him have at least two maybe three hell maybe four turnovers I could see two picks maybe a fumble maybe two who knows
- 7:27[SPEAKER_00]: Defenses know that we cannot throw the ball so the Ravens will 100% be stacking the box.
- 7:32[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to eliminate Quinshawn Judkins from the ball game.
- 7:35[SPEAKER_00]: The Ravens are middle of the road against the run, but the jets were also a bottom 6 team against the run.
- 7:39[SPEAKER_00]: We couldn't do anything against them, so it doesn't really matter.
- 7:42[SPEAKER_00]: The Ravens actually give up the sixth most passing yards per game in the league at 249.6 about 250.
- 7:49[SPEAKER_00]: Dillon season high is 221 and that was on 52 pass attempts against the Steelers, which to be fair, I could see this being a 40 to 45 plus pass attempt game again for Dillon.
- 8:01[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he still gets anywhere close to that 250 average.
- 8:04[SPEAKER_00]: He's averaging just 170 yards per game and overall the bottom or the Browns are a bottom 4 passing offense and on top of that were a bottom 7 rushing offense.
- 8:14[SPEAKER_00]: So just not good.
- 8:16[SPEAKER_00]: In week two, Lamar Jackson carved us up, 19 of 29 for 225 and 4 touchdowns.
- 8:21[SPEAKER_00]: We did sack him three times.
- 8:23[SPEAKER_00]: Miles had one and a half.
- 8:24[SPEAKER_00]: We held Lamar to 13 yards rushing, which was impressive.
- 8:27[SPEAKER_00]: And we stuffed Derek Henry for just 23 yards on 2.1 per carry, also very impressive.
- 8:32[SPEAKER_00]: We still got killed over the last four games Derek Henry has rushed for 74, 119, 71, and 122 yards.
- 8:41[SPEAKER_00]: So Kenny, everybody down in the audience, are you guys like me?
- 8:46[SPEAKER_00]: Do you give the Browns a strong 0% percent chance to win on Sunday or do you think that there's a possibility that we somehow come out shock the world kind of like we did against the Ravens last year at home when we won 29 to 24 with James Winston's sling
- 9:03[SPEAKER_04]: is if we had James Winston maybe he's got a W he's got a nine he's got an end in his name and that's win win but this week I don't see it you gave the stats especially the with the way that
- 9:15[SPEAKER_04]: If there's any progression with Dylan Gabriel, it is very small and the way that the Ravens are rolling right now, they are licking their chops to get this win and they really need this win.
- 9:26[SPEAKER_00]: They do.
- 9:26[SPEAKER_04]: They've got more on the line than we do right now.
- 9:29[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't see our team bought in.
- 9:31[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they are giving up the points you said, the yards you said, but they're going to bring pressure.
- 9:38[SPEAKER_04]: They are going to queue in on Quinshan Jenkins.
- 9:41[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I tried to put together something to be like positive here.
- 9:45[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what can we do to win this game?
- 9:47[SPEAKER_04]: And it's got to be something to do with the offense other than obviously we cannot let, you know, two touchdowns go on special teams, right?
- 9:56[SPEAKER_04]: But what's going to happen this week, guys, we're going to lean on the tight ends.
- 10:01[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the only way that we can kind of do it.
- 10:03[SPEAKER_04]: So Marlon Humphrey's is out.
- 10:05[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe something can be done with Cedric Tillman.
- 10:10[SPEAKER_04]: We've got to commit to the run early.
- 10:12[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't see us.
- 10:14[SPEAKER_04]: or a Quentin Sean Jenkins having a good day.
- 10:16[SPEAKER_04]: And we did see some more shots.
- 10:19[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you'll agree with me.
- 10:20[SPEAKER_04]: I thought we saw a more shots down field.
- 10:22[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if we specifically off play action, but I would like to see that do have a chance to win.
- 10:28[SPEAKER_04]: Then we got to stay ahead of the game by we just kind of predict the ball.
- 10:33[SPEAKER_04]: and we got to not have any turnovers again, but that didn't do too much last week.
- 10:41[SPEAKER_04]: Ultimately, our defense, we got to figure out some way to become plus two in the turnover margin.
- 10:47[SPEAKER_04]: We got to stay ahead of the chains with Gabriel.
- 10:49[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a short game, and if there's any way that we have a chance to stay in it, it's just got to be those small things, because I think the defense can do enough.
- 10:59[SPEAKER_04]: is what can the offense do and what can the special teams not screw up?
- 11:05[SPEAKER_00]: That's very well laid out.
- 11:07[SPEAKER_00]: I will say I agree.
- 11:08[SPEAKER_00]: I do agree with you.
- 11:09[SPEAKER_00]: They I felt like we took a couple more shots down field and those couple shots down field totally explained why we haven't taken any shots down field before this because he can't do it.
- 11:20[SPEAKER_00]: They're just Yeah, they're duck punts.
- 11:23[SPEAKER_00]: They just go up and wobble and it's like, oh my gosh, is this ever going to come down and it gives everybody an opportunity to get to the ball when he tries to go down field.
- 11:31[SPEAKER_00]: It's
- 11:32[SPEAKER_00]: it's not good.
- 11:33[SPEAKER_00]: It is not good.
- 11:34[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say for like Lamar Jackson as far as creating turnovers.
- 11:37[SPEAKER_00]: This dude, I think he only has one pick on the entire season.
- 11:39[SPEAKER_00]: I know he missed some games.
- 11:41[SPEAKER_00]: But Lamar Jackson, I got to give him his props because I dogged him for a couple years on the show before he really elevated his game.
- 11:48[SPEAKER_00]: and he has become an elite passer.
- 11:50[SPEAKER_00]: He really has like he has leveled up his passing game to the elite tier in my opinion.
- 11:56[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is super accurate.
- 11:58[SPEAKER_00]: He's got great velocity on his passes.
- 12:00[SPEAKER_00]: He can pick a part of defense and it used to be you had to worry about his legs and then you know that would open things up for them in the passing game.
- 12:07[SPEAKER_00]: It's like both now.
- 12:08[SPEAKER_00]: He can just sit back.
- 12:09[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have to run anymore.
- 12:10[SPEAKER_00]: He can sit there and carve you up.
- 12:11[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not good for the Browns.
- 12:15[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's the epitome of constant measurable improvement, right?
- 12:19[SPEAKER_04]: Like that guy came out of a university, wasn't the greatest thrower, and why would he be?
- 12:25[SPEAKER_04]: He can run, you know, just win.
- 12:27[SPEAKER_04]: That's what they do.
- 12:28[SPEAKER_04]: They don't coach you up that much.
- 12:29[SPEAKER_04]: They want to win in, you know, uni ball, and he didn't have to.
- 12:36[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know based on him being questionable how much he really wants to run in this game, but if we can kind of get after him with our defensive line, cause some havoc, maybe there's a chance to keep this close.
- 12:52[SPEAKER_04]: But again, I just ace on the way and they came off that loss.
- 12:58[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I just don't see the brown snapping out of it based on the way that they are.
- 13:05[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't either.
- 13:06[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get Mr. Andrew Jackson up here.
- 13:08[SPEAKER_00]: Our first dog pack member talking for the day.
- 13:11[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there we go.
- 13:12[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew, what's up, buddy?
- 13:14[SPEAKER_02]: I was going on there, sorry about that.
- 13:16[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
- 13:16[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, there's all the blinds in life.
- 13:20[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, okay.
- 13:21[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for pushing out your Motivum verse that, man.
- 13:24[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, we love doing that for you.
- 13:27[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a great thing.
- 13:28[SPEAKER_02]: One of the bad things that we do in the dog pack.
- 13:30[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for your support, mother.
- 13:32[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, but that will things here.
- 13:35[SPEAKER_02]: So I think this game from the one at two ways with one way being very positive.
- 13:41[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to do the the most brown thing ever and actually win, which
- 13:48[SPEAKER_02]: which would be the most proud thing ever to do after laying that egg last week.
- 13:52[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, we all know it's not going to happen, but it also wouldn't shock me, you know, if we did win, but I didn't even want to get blown off the face of the earth.
- 14:00[SPEAKER_02]: So I can get zero hope.
- 14:04[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm going to watch it.
- 14:06[SPEAKER_02]: I last week and I'm going to consider a lot to get about four or five minutes into the second quarter.
- 14:11[SPEAKER_02]: I took a nap and I woke up at the end of the third quarter.
- 14:18[SPEAKER_02]: But on the other hand, I just want you to know that this week, I have been doing a lot of watching some tape and doing things.
- 14:27[SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully this week, well, we can all fan better.
- 14:30[SPEAKER_02]: We can do better in our lives.
- 14:32[SPEAKER_02]: And we can support our short came.
- 14:34[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it's our problem that he's not doing good.
- 14:40[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, some of that I think playing for it, and I guess I'll do that charge, and I think playing for Don Gabriel
- 14:48[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
- 14:48[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank you for bringing that up.
- 14:50[SPEAKER_00]: That is a bit that we have been doing now in the dog pack.
- 14:53[SPEAKER_00]: The we just need to fan better and I was actually thinking about starting to try to put together some TikTok videos like doing some parodies of Kevin's press conferences and just pulling some of the dumb stuff he said every week and
- 15:06[SPEAKER_00]: making it even dumber.
- 15:07[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll save that after.
- 15:08[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, we've got a fan better.
- 15:10[SPEAKER_00]: You know, can we can we root harder?
- 15:12[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we did it all starts with us.
- 15:14[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it it starts here, and we'll just get back to work and and get a fixed.
- 15:19[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we have to.
- 15:21[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just it's we literally have to fan better for them.
- 15:23[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's our fault that the water severs saw a catch in we just did a free fan better.
- 15:28[SPEAKER_02]: They would have caught balls.
- 15:29[SPEAKER_02]: But uh, and I think it's terrible too that I put it in the good for earlier that all the browns, uh, social media or YouTube videos today, all the thumbnail quotes on them, or the site.
- 15:44[SPEAKER_02]: And like, they like, they can press sounds and can just stamp them on the, uh, uh,
- 15:49[SPEAKER_04]: YouTube videos like everyone's like the same like we still lock in we just kind of do this like before down for like last five years and no how to do better that's everybody drives everybody nuts I'm not gonna lie is when we lost a game last week I was with my backers crew where we watched the games here and that's the first thing I said I said you know what watch the Browns win next week because there's no chance in hell there's no pressure on them
- 16:18[SPEAKER_04]: I did think of, you know, what you said mentioned earlier, and it's a thing, they're on their third straight road game, that could be something for them traveling and being out of sorts, but other than that, like, I mean, again, we're not talking about football stuff here.
- 16:30[SPEAKER_04]: This is, you know, going three games on the road is what, like, good teams do and win and I know the, that Ravens can do that for us to go at home and when this game is just, it's, there has to be some measurable improvement on the football side and we're just not seeing it right now.
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- 18:00[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we are two and one, I believe, so far the season at home, which that's good.
- 18:05[SPEAKER_00]: The defense is good.
- 18:07[SPEAKER_00]: They're, they're very good at home.
- 18:08[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's, that's really the only positive for me as well.
- 18:13[SPEAKER_00]: We're planning Cleveland, we're planning in front of our fans, or at least what we think will be our fans.
- 18:17[SPEAKER_00]: Again, those basically get in the stadium free prices.
- 18:21[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
- 18:21[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it'll be overrun with Baltimore fans.
- 18:24[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how it's going to go because
- 18:26[SPEAKER_00]: like you said, they got stuff to play for.
- 18:29[SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to make the playoffs.
- 18:30[SPEAKER_00]: They are a playoff caliber team and they know that and they're pissed.
- 18:34[SPEAKER_00]: They're pissed that they are where they are that they started one to five and they're trying to claw their way back.
- 18:39[SPEAKER_00]: They see their smell blood in the water with the Steelers.
- 18:42[SPEAKER_00]: They're their frauds sitting there in the AFC North.
- 18:45[SPEAKER_00]: So this is open for them to take the division and make the playoffs.
- 18:49[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to let us get in their way.
- 18:50[SPEAKER_00]: I would be shocked.
- 18:53[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll get that.
- 18:54[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's one of the most frustrating parts of this season when you just hit on is like, we're not there as a team.
- 19:00[SPEAKER_04]: And this division is wide open.
- 19:02[SPEAKER_04]: Like if we just had any semblance of like an offense, so we'd be somewhere in competition, even if it wasn't that great, four and five, or whatever it is, just like two more wins.
- 19:13[SPEAKER_04]: How do we've been able to hit a couple of field goals?
- 19:16[SPEAKER_04]: not have some special teams returned on us like just basic stuff and it's that's the frustration this season along with an inept offense.
- 19:26[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 19:27[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
- 19:27[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you Andrew Brad.
- 19:29[SPEAKER_00]: You're up here, man.
- 19:29[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?
- 19:31[SPEAKER_03]: But is hey, guys.
- 19:34[SPEAKER_03]: Are you guys ready for story time?
- 19:36[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you want to go back?
- 19:38[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, always.
- 19:39[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
- 19:39[SPEAKER_00]: That's story time.
- 19:40[SPEAKER_00]: There's there's that's
- 19:43[SPEAKER_03]: Um, do you know both owners, both the learners and the hazelnuts only have a 33% win percentage?
- 19:51[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
- 19:53[SPEAKER_03]: Is that cool?
- 19:55[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
- 19:55[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.
- 19:55[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
- 19:55[SPEAKER_04]: Harmino being so happy to get rid of Randy Learner and it was just like four quarters for a dollar at this point.
- 20:02[SPEAKER_03]: Be yup.
- 20:03[SPEAKER_03]: And do you, do you know that we've had 10 GMs?
- 20:08[SPEAKER_03]: And two of those GMs we only had for a year.
- 20:12[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but do you know what are all DMs having common?
- 20:18[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, losing sat.
- 20:20[SPEAKER_03]: When there you go, got it losing seasons.
- 20:24[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we've only had to anywhere else or three or whatever.
- 20:28[SPEAKER_03]: Now, now, Andrew Barry has the best one, of course, because, you know, two, 11, 11 seasons play off when there was that eight, nine season, two.
- 20:39[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
- 20:42[SPEAKER_03]: That was just looking throughout the years.
- 20:44[SPEAKER_03]: All the other GMs, there was Bill thought the average had a little bit better.
- 20:53[SPEAKER_03]: He was 24 and 40.
- 20:55[SPEAKER_03]: And they had that one 10 and six season, but everybody else had like over, like just terrible wedding, like there's no wedding.
- 21:05[SPEAKER_03]: Like obviously, Sasha Brown, oh my God.
- 21:09[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that was the one and three ones, you've been, but it was just like, it was like, well, does it come down to how we've been now since 99 as it come down to is it the GM's problem or the owners and to me, it's both because you can't.
- 21:31[SPEAKER_03]: You can't have one without the other, because the owners are the ones that hire the GMs to draft the players, get the players in here.
- 21:41[SPEAKER_03]: And when you're owner that has one of the lowest winning percentages of any owner in that NFL,
- 21:50[SPEAKER_03]: um, it's not a great look.
- 21:52[SPEAKER_03]: In mind you, the the owner before that, that we all hate because you moved the browns, had over a almost 60% winning percentage.
- 22:05[SPEAKER_03]: So that speaks pretty good volumes there.
- 22:08[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I just want to have a little history reference there that,
- 22:14[SPEAKER_03]: the losing has just been always losing and that's all we've always had.
- 22:20[SPEAKER_03]: And even though it's a little bit better right now, it's still we're in the contested cycle of losing.
- 22:30[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I hope I hope this offseason that if we keep the same guys we have in the building,
- 22:43[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
- 22:44[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's a constant cycle.
- 22:47[SPEAKER_03]: And this is, when you see organization like the Ravens that have come in here that were our team that left, they've had consistent winning in their own or is like above 60% winning personally.
- 23:02[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they've had multiple super bowl wins, multiple winning seasons.
- 23:07[SPEAKER_03]: But I just wish we could be an organization like that.
- 23:10[SPEAKER_03]: That's at least even half of that would be cool.
- 23:14[SPEAKER_03]: And here we are, like even for a quarterback, can watch you to quarterback that sucks on the field.
- 23:22[SPEAKER_03]: Watch you in winters here is not catch balls.
- 23:25[SPEAKER_03]: Braille and Ed words back in the day.
- 23:28[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Josh Gordon getting suspended for smoking weed.
- 23:33[SPEAKER_03]: Um, we could just go over and over people who we've drafted that gotten arrested all this other stuff.
- 23:40[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just been a history of suffering.
- 23:42[SPEAKER_03]: That's all it's been.
- 23:43[SPEAKER_03]: And you wonder why tickets are six dollars right now.
- 23:47[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
- 23:47[SPEAKER_03]: That's why.
- 23:48[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, it's because.
- 23:51[SPEAKER_00]: It's been miserable.
- 23:53[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for all that positivity.
- 23:55[SPEAKER_00]: That was that was great.
- 23:56[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody listening right now.
- 23:58[SPEAKER_00]: Just threw up a little bit in their mouths because you just, you know, metaphorically kicked everybody between the legs awesome.
- 24:03[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Brad.
- 24:05[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
- 24:07[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be rough.
- 24:09[SPEAKER_00]: I think Sunday's going to get rough in that stadium, honestly.
- 24:11[SPEAKER_00]: I think if Dylan comes out, Jesus, this is the first time they're going to be at home for a while, you know, in a while, since the Miami game.
- 24:18[SPEAKER_00]: And we were winning that game obviously.
- 24:20[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't have that, yeah, you don't have the boo birds.
- 24:23[SPEAKER_00]: I know people were, you know, calling for Shador at the end of the game and everything we were already killing them.
- 24:27[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a different story this time, especially the Ravens come out and jump on us early, like they've done in the past.
- 24:35[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I just I think it could get real because you're gonna have a lot of ravens fans cheering for them You're gonna have a lot of browns fans booing us, so it's gonna be rough You got a lot of beer you got a lot of beers in between that.
- 24:49[SPEAKER_04]: That's gonna it's gonna add up till
- 24:51[SPEAKER_03]: the beer is flowing strong.
- 24:53[SPEAKER_03]: Put it in my veins when we need to pull the out the whole like you get.
- 24:57[SPEAKER_03]: I projected a minimum to touch down lead on us at the end of the game.
- 25:10[SPEAKER_00]: At
- 25:13[SPEAKER_00]: for Baltimore.
- 25:13[SPEAKER_04]: Love you guys.
- 25:14[SPEAKER_04]: There's love you too, Brad.
- 25:16[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
- 25:17[SPEAKER_04]: You know what?
- 25:18[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be tough to get excited for this game.
- 25:20[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I got even when I host these events, like I do my Browns Baggers party, I got stadium mustard sponsor.
- 25:26[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we're having a stadium mustard party, we're doing a kind of like a dinner party because it's a 425 game.
- 25:31[SPEAKER_04]: You just got to make something out of it.
- 25:33[SPEAKER_04]: Either that or you just don't watch it, because it's going to be bad.
- 25:37[SPEAKER_04]: Is there any way, again, that they can do something, I mean, it's
- 25:40[SPEAKER_04]: It's the NFL stands for not for long, so maybe even's retired on the road who knows, there's things that could possibly happen by there's bad, slows up the game a little bit, a lot of hang around the browns hang around a little bit who knows, maybe we'll see some kind of improvement out of Dylan, but based on what we've seen, it's tough to feel any positivity right now,
- 26:09[SPEAKER_04]: that kind of sort of thing, right?
- 26:11[SPEAKER_00]: So it's tough.
- 26:13[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
- 26:14[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, and wherever you guys hear watching live in the chat and then anybody watching the replay this after we're done here, put it in the comments.
- 26:22[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know what you guys think, but I get the sense that there's a lot of Browns fans out there that are actually going to tune into this game just to see how bad does it get.
- 26:32[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's because you're not really watching to see if we're going to win because you don't really believe we're going to win.
- 26:37[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, well, what am I going to watch for?
- 26:39[SPEAKER_00]: Or let's see how bad it can get.
- 26:40[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see how it's still in Gabriel going to implode.
- 26:43[SPEAKER_00]: Is this the game where should door standards?
- 26:45[SPEAKER_00]: See, I think there's a lot of you going to finish the game.
- 26:48[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of people are tuning in anymore.
- 26:50[SPEAKER_00]: Just to see if this is the game should or gets in.
- 26:54[SPEAKER_00]: And
- 26:55[SPEAKER_00]: I don't blame people for that.
- 26:56[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's really very little to be excited about with this team.
- 27:00[SPEAKER_00]: On the positive side, we can continue to watch and root for these rookies, these young guys.
- 27:04[SPEAKER_00]: I think we do have a strong foundation of young players on the roster right now with Mason Graham, Carson, Swesinger as a beast.
- 27:13[SPEAKER_00]: I said the other day, I think he's going to end up being an all-pro.
- 27:16[SPEAKER_00]: In his career, he's that type of good.
- 27:18[SPEAKER_00]: Harold Fannon, Jr. obviously is the leading receiver on the team and I don't foresee anybody ever overtaking him as long as he doesn't get hurt.
- 27:26[SPEAKER_00]: I think every week he's just going to continue to add to his totals.
- 27:28[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be huge because we don't have a huge passing output anyway, but he's just a major part of what we do have.
- 27:35[SPEAKER_00]: And then just, you know, obviously, Johnkins is awesome.
- 27:37[SPEAKER_00]: He just sucks.
- 27:39[SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for Quinshawn Judd.
- 27:40[SPEAKER_00]: He's like the leading rookie russia right now as among running backs.
- 27:44[SPEAKER_00]: But he still can't do much.
- 27:46[SPEAKER_00]: He could be doing so much better if we had any passing game to take people out of the box.
- 27:50[SPEAKER_00]: But nobody gives a shit about our passing game.
- 27:53[SPEAKER_00]: They just key in on the run, stop the run, and the browns aren't going to beat you.
- 27:57[SPEAKER_00]: People know that, and it's been working.
- 27:59[SPEAKER_00]: So that's exactly what I expect them to do.
- 28:02[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, again, like I always harp on the screen plays and like I think if you set up a really good screen, you're really good and I felt team because no matter if you know it's coming or not, you still get fooled, it's a it's a part of winning and if you took a look at that jet's game, we had a screen middle screen set up for Harold fan and it went off someone's head arm like it looked awful.
- 28:25[SPEAKER_04]: And then I really kind of like the way that they are using courtly, like he's they're running them.
- 28:35[SPEAKER_04]: They had an awesome screen set up.
- 28:37[SPEAKER_04]: That would have been a touchdown.
- 28:39[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite way of the game.
- 28:40[SPEAKER_04]: He sailed over his head.
- 28:41[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm
- 28:42[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, what is going on, like, why are we so hyped up that we can't complete that past?
- 28:49[SPEAKER_04]: And those are the frustrating things for me.
- 28:53[SPEAKER_04]: Like, where's the hard screen?
- 28:55[SPEAKER_04]: Not screens.
- 28:56[SPEAKER_04]: The hard slants into, uh, Tillman, his big body.
- 29:00[SPEAKER_04]: Like, we need that.
- 29:01[SPEAKER_04]: But if whenever we do do it, I go, all he's slanting in, there it goes and it goes off his ass.
- 29:07[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's,
- 29:08[SPEAKER_04]: It's not going where it needs to go, and that's the frustrating part.
- 29:11[SPEAKER_04]: I think sometimes we get so into like blamings to fansky, I've seen the plays called, they look, they look like they should work, but if I'm passing a slant to someone, I keep hitting them in the hamstrings, like that's never going to work, you know?
- 29:29[SPEAKER_04]: So that's the frustrating part.
- 29:31[SPEAKER_00]: Now that played a Malachi Corly was, and then obviously it got shared Jake Burns,
- 29:35[SPEAKER_00]: shared it all over the place on Twitter and stuff.
- 29:37[SPEAKER_00]: So I watched that replay over and over man.
- 29:39[SPEAKER_00]: The Corly was set up with two guys out in front of him blocking.
- 29:43[SPEAKER_00]: There was one defender and he was blocked.
- 29:46[SPEAKER_00]: They had it sealed off.
- 29:47[SPEAKER_00]: He was gone, man.
- 29:48[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if that's not a touchdown, it's damn near.
- 29:51[SPEAKER_00]: If somebody maybe gets over there in time to stop him.
- 29:53[SPEAKER_00]: But
- 29:54[SPEAKER_00]: Malica Corley started to bring down so all and that's this the other thing with Dylan Gabriel and and a lot of people say well, you know, he can't he can't see over the line.
- 30:03[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that might be true, but that's not the only reason why his passes are sailing the past to Corley there was nobody there was it was lateral right across the field to the guy and threw it my over set out bounds.
- 30:14[SPEAKER_00]: It was like what the hell is wrong with this guy.
- 30:17[SPEAKER_00]: I
- 30:19[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man, like I said the other day, it's nothing personal against Dylan Gabriel.
- 30:23[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's probably a really nice kid.
- 30:24[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's he's very smart.
- 30:26[SPEAKER_00]: I think he understands football very well.
- 30:28[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably going to be a very good coach at some level some day, but he can't freaking play in the NFL at, you know, Zack Jackson was just one, well, and Darrell writer.
- 30:37[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they were pound in the drum over the summer over and over like this guy is not an NFL quarterback.
- 30:42[SPEAKER_00]: He looks terrible.
- 30:44[SPEAKER_00]: And now ever since he's been in the, you know, on the field, it's exactly what they said.
- 30:49[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, exactly.
- 30:53[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I can't think I was trying to think of players that, you know, people really were hard on.
- 31:00[SPEAKER_04]: when they first came out of college and they just weren't doing anything.
- 31:04[SPEAKER_04]: The biggest thing that I can remember is Josh Allen when he came out in 2018, who's first five games were awful.
- 31:10[SPEAKER_04]: And they were very similar to Dylan Gabriel.
- 31:13[SPEAKER_04]: The difference is though, like the running stats and the,
- 31:18[SPEAKER_04]: just a athletic ability.
- 31:20[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I like watching there's two scouts, they have their own podcast, and one of their big things is you never pass on freakish talent.
- 31:27[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you can put up with the kind of Josh Allen's numbers, but I mean his numbers, like Josh Allen's numbers in the first five games,
- 31:36[SPEAKER_04]: passing-wise, we're all pretty much worse than Dylan Gabriel's.
- 31:40[SPEAKER_04]: Assaving grace is where I'll get back to is the running.
- 31:43[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know if you guys thought this, but I thought when Dylan Gabriel was running, he looked super awkward.
- 31:49[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought he slid like five yards too early when he got, he could have got way more yardage.
- 31:55[SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't know if you recall those or not, but what was your thoughts on that?
- 31:59[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I thought the scrambles looked maybe maybe what you're referring to what the way I saw them was he's just kind of looked a little like scared like skittish trying to run like uh, but we get out of here, you know, and that kind of thing.
- 32:11[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't so much a confident one.
- 32:12[SPEAKER_00]: It was more of a like I don't want to get just clobbered.
- 32:16[SPEAKER_00]: Get me out of here kind of run.
- 32:18[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why he slid five yards too early.
- 32:21[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's just, we're not getting those extra yards and we need, like, if you don't want to get covered fine, but like, make some kind of judgment.
- 32:29[SPEAKER_04]: Like, don't decide 10 yards in front of the guys.
- 32:31[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
- 32:32[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah.
- 32:33[SPEAKER_00]: So I've seen those losing yards there too.
- 32:36[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen those posts on social media comparing like his first five games with Cam Ward and with Josh Allen and other people too.
- 32:44[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like other players that were taking in the first freaking round of the draft guys.
- 32:50[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I don't like those comparisons because this isn't a first round.
- 32:53[SPEAKER_00]: This is Dylan Gabriel.
- 32:55[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't even talked about in the draft in the pre-draft process among any of the quarterbacks.
- 33:01[SPEAKER_00]: Like the top quarterbacks at all.
- 33:03[SPEAKER_00]: He was never part of the discussion.
- 33:05[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was, it was Kimmore, Shador Sanders, Jackson, Dart, Jalen Millrow, Tyler Schuck, and I think that's, unless I, oh, maybe, yeah, no, I think that might be it.
- 33:17[SPEAKER_00]: Like Dylan Gabriel was never mentioned, and, you know, this guy could be the first or second round type.
- 33:21[SPEAKER_00]: Poor guy.
- 33:22[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't even on that.
- 33:23[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Howard was talked about ahead of him.
- 33:26[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
- 33:27[SPEAKER_00]: It's yeah, he just was not on anybody's radar, which is like such a brown thing to do.
- 33:32[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're smarter than everybody.
- 33:34[SPEAKER_00]: Our analytics say this is going to work and it's like, okay.
- 33:38[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we all saw this coming in my way.
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- 35:13[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, and that's why I wanted to bring it up like they're not fair comparisons.
- 35:19[SPEAKER_04]: But the other thing is is what I want to get back is like whenever you do anything in life and you want to get better, you have to have some kind of constant measurable improvement.
- 35:28[SPEAKER_04]: This seems to be going the other way, you know, maybe he's getting frustrated or whatever the reason is, but I don't just see any
- 35:36[SPEAKER_04]: anything getting better like you were talking about this is a duck pass is there you know like as wounded duck passes like the announcers were like what a great pass.
- 35:47[SPEAKER_04]: I mean I think from their perception they thought that he actually passed to that corner only where Judy could get it but it was just a dying punt that was lucky that someone was there to get at in the end of it right.
- 35:59[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
- 36:00[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
- 36:01[SPEAKER_00]: I see we're losing audience members.
- 36:04[SPEAKER_00]: It's just getting that time of Thursday night, you know, people are getting home, getting dinner, and stuff.
- 36:09[SPEAKER_00]: And if anybody down here wants to get up on stage, get your hands up, come on up, ask questions, give us your opinions, take away things like that.
- 36:17[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, we'll be probably wrapping this thing up here shortly.
- 36:22[SPEAKER_00]: So Kenny, before we, you know, kind of taper this thing off,
- 36:26[SPEAKER_00]: If the Browns do what, you know, a lot of us seem to be counting on them to do, go out and get absolutely demolished at home in front of the home crowd in Cleveland by the division rival Ravens, all that stuff this weekend.
- 36:41[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think, do you think they're going to Kevin will make it switch over to Shador for the Raiders game?
- 36:50[SPEAKER_04]: I think that somebody in Cleveland will, I don't know, based on the way Kevin has had old Dylan Gabriel that I don't think he wants to, but I mean, if he comes out and he, I mean, he's probably going to be zero for zero.
- 37:06[SPEAKER_04]: If he comes out 123, you know, say 50 and a 30 for no touchdowns, no interceptions, like an I'm being trying to be positive here, you know, what are we doing on offense?
- 37:19[SPEAKER_04]: Like the all the other guys on the team are there for a reason they want to win.
- 37:24[SPEAKER_04]: If he just not getting it done, and it's time to make a change and see what you got.
- 37:30[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it could just very well
- 37:33[SPEAKER_04]: Las Vegas and nothing changes, but at least there's, we know, you know, and that's what I think, but I think someone will make a change if it's a complete blow.
- 37:44[SPEAKER_04]: Because I mean, do you think Jimmy Hazelm wants to keep charging six dollars for a ticket when he's doing a multi-billion dollar stadium?
- 37:52[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so.
- 37:54[SPEAKER_04]: How many hot dogs do the, the Ravens fans have to eat so he can build
- 38:03[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right, so we got Andrew up here in the air and you will be up next Andrew, what's up, man?
- 38:09[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so when do you what percentage did you think this could be Evan's last game?
- 38:17[SPEAKER_02]: If it goes really off the rails and do you think the fans that do show up?
- 38:24[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we're probably the ones that don't show up.
- 38:26[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think they make a statement by not showing up?
- 38:28[SPEAKER_02]: That's why you're seeing the
- 38:32[SPEAKER_02]: This is a very way of like, hey, we're going to make our statement that we're tired of this by doing by not showing up.
- 38:39[SPEAKER_02]: You think that's what the, this is what's going on or do you expect the contingent that there is there at the game to be very loud and boisterous and anti what's going on.
- 38:51[SPEAKER_00]: So first question, I think, zero percent chance that even if it's the worst game ever in brown history that Kevin gets fired afterward because
- 39:01[SPEAKER_00]: they just don't seem interested in firing him at least mid-season.
- 39:04[SPEAKER_00]: So I would put it as zero.
- 39:05[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly would be shocked if it happened.
- 39:07[SPEAKER_00]: I don't expect it.
- 39:08[SPEAKER_00]: Although I call forward every week doesn't mean I actually think it's ever going to happen.
- 39:13[SPEAKER_00]: As far as the statement in the stadium, I kind of do get the feeling that there is going to be
- 39:19[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of empty seats remember this is a 430 afternoon game on a Sunday so there's a lot of people not willing I mean it's it's an investment of time just to go to a one o'clock game get in and out of the city all that shit with the parking and nonsense and all it's just it's terrible up there so to do it at 430 in the afternoon then trying to leave it what's 730 8 o'clock at night got no so time you're getting home you know workman
- 39:48[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.
- 39:49[SPEAKER_00]: I could see some empty seats.
- 39:50[SPEAKER_00]: I could see them being filled with ravens fans.
- 39:52[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it is going to be very loud and boisterous from our fans.
- 39:58[SPEAKER_00]: When things are going bad, which might just be the entire game.
- 40:02[SPEAKER_00]: Can you get any thoughts on that?
- 40:03[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
- 40:05[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I mean, like we said, the Queen of Cleveland Mary K. Cabot said that he's safe.
- 40:09[SPEAKER_04]: So he's not getting fired after this game no matter what as far as
- 40:14[SPEAKER_04]: Someone who looks over the fans and tries to be as positive as possible when representing the Browns.
- 40:22[SPEAKER_04]: It's a tough time to be positive with the team, with the product that they put out there.
- 40:27[SPEAKER_04]: That being said, just some of the comments I'm reading and some of the things I'm seeing, I just don't see a lot of people going to the game.
- 40:35[SPEAKER_04]: I see people tailgating, I don't see people what may be entering the stadium, and I think the Browns know that and that's why the tickets are so cheap.
- 40:44[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's going to get I think it's going to get ugly on Sunday, but let's get it's happened before where they haven't they didn't show a fan's It show up for a half that was about 10 years ago.
- 40:57[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron you're up here, man.
- 40:58[SPEAKER_00]: You're on mute, but what's going on?
- 40:59[SPEAKER_04]: Aaron.
- 41:01[SPEAKER_04]: Aaron, my man, we hate we and Aaron got to hang out in London, England, that taught him stadium.
- 41:07[SPEAKER_04]: I'd a blast with this deal.
- 41:09[SPEAKER_04]: Whenever if you guys have a chest going out with this guy, man,
- 41:15[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Aaron, you're on mute.
- 41:17[SPEAKER_00]: Can you?
- 41:19[SPEAKER_00]: I'm mute, bro.
- 41:22[SPEAKER_00]: Can I unmute him?
- 41:23[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
- 41:25[SPEAKER_00]: He's on mute on my end.
- 41:27[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.
- 41:27[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Watts, you are on.
- 41:29[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he says one second.
- 41:30[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
- 41:31[SPEAKER_00]: Radio suns.
- 41:32[SPEAKER_00]: We'll fill the void for you.
- 41:33[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, can you got a score prediction while we're waiting on Aaron?
- 41:39[SPEAKER_04]: I think the Browns will probably what was it 417 last time yeah but at home so shave off 8 points and I don't know well that's what I'm saying so that'll it'll be 33 to 14.
- 41:52[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like that.
- 41:53[SPEAKER_00]: 33 14 okay cool cool cool cool I think I Don't know let me go like 36 to 13
- 42:04[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're about the same.
- 42:06[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to be.
- 42:06[SPEAKER_00]: He says it won't let me get me a second.
- 42:10[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, here, I'll tell you what.
- 42:11[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's get Brad up here, Aaron will leave you up here.
- 42:14[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever it does connect, you're good to go.
- 42:16[SPEAKER_00]: Brad, give us some, give us some more of your great hitters, man.
- 42:21[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's hear it.
- 42:23[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's hear it.
- 42:24[SPEAKER_03]: All right, all right, sorry.
- 42:25[SPEAKER_03]: I had to start with the negativity, the build you guys back up, okay?
- 42:29[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the build you Terry, don't build you back up.
- 42:31[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you love it, man.
- 42:36[SPEAKER_03]: Auditively, apparently, for whatever reason, Jim Schwartz has their Henry's number on speed dial to stop him from rushing over 50 yards.
- 42:52[SPEAKER_03]: And that did that matter in the last game we faced them?
- 42:55[SPEAKER_03]: No, but you could take that as a positivity that at least we won't have their kind of rerunning all over us.
- 43:02[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I wouldn't count on it, man.
- 43:05[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know there's a strong chance, I get you.
- 43:09[SPEAKER_03]: I got Aaron.
- 43:11[SPEAKER_04]: Aaron here.
- 43:14[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, oh, these, I don't see, I think Aaron's there, yeah.
- 43:19[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, um, okay.
- 43:22[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, Brad.
- 43:22[SPEAKER_00]: On the other side.
- 43:24[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, on the other positive things.
- 43:26[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think we'll, um,
- 43:32[SPEAKER_03]: the great white walk-on will have more stats added to his defensive rookie of the year award.
- 43:40[SPEAKER_03]: I'm calling it now.
- 43:41[SPEAKER_03]: He's getting it.
- 43:42[SPEAKER_03]: He's the favorite.
- 43:44[SPEAKER_03]: He's the favorite, and I think he's going to get it.
- 43:46[SPEAKER_03]: I would be cool to see him get a sack against Lamar, but Miles is the king of that one.
- 43:54[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure he'll get
- 43:57[SPEAKER_03]: At Mino attack over high in the line miles well, but he seems to get the little arm pretty more easily than anybody else in the league, probably because we face some choice here.
- 44:13[SPEAKER_03]: Other positivity, our field goal kicker's been pretty good, so that's promising.
- 44:19[SPEAKER_03]: There's not a lot of besides Alex right, there's not a lot of major injuries to our defense, so that's good.
- 44:31[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking for our activity here.
- 44:32[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
- 44:34[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Alex Rice been an Alex Rice been good this year.
- 44:37[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's going to be a lot.
- 44:38[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big wire.
- 44:39[SPEAKER_04]: It's just as good.
- 44:40[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I don't think the defense is going to light light down right away.
- 44:46[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's going to get, if they didn't get offense, they're just going to get beat again.
- 44:50[SPEAKER_04]: And like by beat, I mean, like tired.
- 44:53[SPEAKER_04]: and you just can't keep playing that way.
- 44:56[SPEAKER_04]: You know, if your, if your offense isn't consistently putting points on the board, it's defeating for them to get, for them to go, the offense that is to go three now and then they go back on.
- 45:07[SPEAKER_04]: You know, because they can't, especially against the Ravens, and Lamar Jackson, you're not going to pitch three notes all the time.
- 45:14[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, I think.
- 45:16[SPEAKER_03]: even has Andrew's asked is like if this game's like a total, say we get blown out like 42 to nothing and Dylan through like two picks sixes and fumble the ball or God forbid one of our running backs fumble the ball and it was just like the biggest dumpster fire show ever
- 45:43[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Kevin's still not getting fired.
- 45:45[SPEAKER_03]: If you didn't get fired after how the jet's game went, he's not going anywhere.
- 45:50[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just like, we got a bearing during it unfortunately and just continue to go throughout the season.
- 45:59[SPEAKER_03]: I think their plan is if they work to fire him, it'll just be as when the season ends because they're like, well, nothing's gonna really change.
- 46:07[SPEAKER_03]: So, here we are.
- 46:11[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
- 46:11[SPEAKER_00]: So I agree with you.
- 46:14[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely agree with you.
- 46:17[SPEAKER_03]: Well, according to Kenny, I'm going to say the score is going to be 38 to 14.
- 46:23[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, 38, 14.
- 46:25[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Brad.
- 46:29[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for all your positivity.
- 46:31[SPEAKER_00]: After you're all of your negativity, Aaron, did you get your audio stuff figured out?
- 46:36[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, he's just lost of what what he's he's he's back in the audience.
- 46:42[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if he comes up.
- 46:45[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there he is.
- 46:46[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Aaron is a working.
- 46:48[SPEAKER_00]: Can you hear me now?
- 46:49[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
- 46:50[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, big dog.
- 46:53[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
- 46:54[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
- 46:55[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
- 46:56[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 46:56[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
- 46:57[SPEAKER_01]: Two puns.
- 46:57[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, it's nice to be any impersonating a respectable member of society, because last time I bought the way he was not doing that.
- 47:08[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a good point.
- 47:10[SPEAKER_01]: I only jumped in like late doors, but yeah, I think I've put it in chat like the season short and at the off-season's lock.
- 47:17[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd was a hit, we all load up.
- 47:20[SPEAKER_01]: But might as well have to enjoy it in any way we can while it's up in.
- 47:24[SPEAKER_01]: Be the game release real cast I do.
- 47:27[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really
- 47:28[SPEAKER_01]: taking down any of the game in, but like, we might as well just have fun of it, while it's enjoyed a little shit famous.
- 47:35[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to fucking win games at the minute the way it's going, enjoy the pouring, enjoy what we can because as soon as it hits the option, all we're going to be talking about is a high, it'll be great when a season patch can be great when a season patch.
- 47:49[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why not enjoy while it's here?
- 47:52[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
- 47:53[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
- 47:55[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not one of the people that are spending thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands.
- 47:59[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go into all the games and stuff, but like, I enjoy.
- 48:03[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for season start.
- 48:04[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for Sunday, like, I have fresh, we're going to lose, like, yeah, we'll all know that.
- 48:10[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'll wait for the game.
- 48:12[SPEAKER_04]: That, uh, they do it.
- 48:13[SPEAKER_04]: I like seeing the younger guys get developed as well.
- 48:16[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, ultimately we draft what seven guys, all seven guys during the team, plus we have like, what four, five UDFA guys.
- 48:25[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't think it's, it's an excuse at all, but I mean, those two touchdowns.
- 48:30[SPEAKER_04]: of the throne basically said it was kind of on the young guys and made some bad moves.
- 48:35[SPEAKER_04]: It sucks that that happened, but these guys are developing.
- 48:39[SPEAKER_04]: You can see them, they'll develop into a second year guys and hopefully it's better and that's when you got to kind of hang your hat on when the browns are this bad.
- 48:49[SPEAKER_04]: You got to see those secondary guys or those guys going into their second years have that development that I'm like saying like constant measurable improvement.
- 48:57[SPEAKER_01]: That's guys though.
- 48:58[SPEAKER_01]: I love the simmore.
- 48:59[SPEAKER_01]: It's something Harold Fallen makes a cat.
- 49:02[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Harold Fallen makes a cat.
- 49:03[SPEAKER_01]: That's great for the next five to seven minutes.
- 49:06[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care really at this point.
- 49:08[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what happens afterwards.
- 49:09[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
- 49:10[SPEAKER_01]: We go on a nice garage and score a two-star.
- 49:12[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him doing things.
- 49:13[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see good teams rip off the 15, 20, 30, 40 yard or whatever.
- 49:18[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's all about.
- 49:20[SPEAKER_01]: I think for this point, that's it.
- 49:21[SPEAKER_01]: Just watching them develop and just celebrating the things that...
- 49:24[SPEAKER_01]: but the small things are good because at this point we have it in England a lot of times like so many people support football teams and they get one result.
- 49:34[SPEAKER_01]: It all might weigh the impact that season.
- 49:36[SPEAKER_01]: They'll still have a 4-year, but you celebrate that one way in order like gold or that one play in NFL situations like yeah that thing that's what we need to get into the mindset of doing round and slug it and slug it and slug it in it and at that point we're just going to like end up resending it
- 49:52[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was one, absolutely, from last week, I remember specifically, and it was kind of exactly what you're talking about.
- 49:59[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're sucking it up on offense and everything, but there was one play that got me freaking jazzed, and it was nothing special.
- 50:06[SPEAKER_00]: It was a Quint Shawn Judkins run, and it might have been, hell, it might have been like a three yard run.
- 50:10[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what it ended up.
- 50:11[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the run itself, or the distance of the run, he got the hand off.
- 50:18[SPEAKER_00]: and got basically stood up like there's a defender in the hole and he stopped.
- 50:25[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure you do.
- 50:26[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you remember like he stops and I'm like, oh, shit.
- 50:29[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, because this is all happening quicker, quick in your head.
- 50:32[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying I'm going to shit.
- 50:33[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're we're stuff for a loss here and he makes one little move.
- 50:37[SPEAKER_00]: and gets past the guy and ends up picking up positive yards and I was like oh my gosh we've been out of running back but they will do that in three years this is amazing like that and again it was not like a game altering run but it was just one thing that was like we have a player here we have a very good player at running back and that makes me very happy
- 50:57[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I remember what you're talking about because he stopped and you're like stop dancing in the hole.
- 51:02[SPEAKER_04]: We're screwed and then boom 10 yards down the field.
- 51:05[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he didn't dance.
- 51:06[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like when he was like, When he stopped, when he stopped, you think you know better.
- 51:13[SPEAKER_01]: And then he just thought, I mean, oh, shit.
- 51:15[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he plays in there.
- 51:16[SPEAKER_01]: If that went on for the seventh thought and living thing to it.
- 51:19[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 51:19[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, you're just so used to watching Jerome Ford.
- 51:22[SPEAKER_00]: And then you see Quinn Jones like, Oh, wait.
- 51:23[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't Ford.
- 51:25[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually a real running bag.
- 51:26[SPEAKER_00]: This is awesome.
- 51:27[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, stuff like that for sure.
- 51:29[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, you're right on the sickness and disease that it is to be a Browns fan.
- 51:34[SPEAKER_00]: Because I got people all the time that are like,
- 51:36[SPEAKER_00]: casual fans or you know they they kind of watch football, but they don't really care much about the Browns and they know I do the podcast and all this stuff and they're like, why do you watch the games though?
- 51:46[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you didn't do the podcast where you still watch the games like, yes, yes, because I hate this team they piss me off.
- 51:53[SPEAKER_00]: I want to punch things when I watch them play, but as soon as the game is over, I'm like, I can't
- 51:59[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that I can't wait till Sunday.
- 52:01[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it, but I can't wait.
- 52:02[SPEAKER_01]: My wife, that's like every Sunday.
- 52:04[SPEAKER_01]: My wife goes every Sunday.
- 52:06[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you even bothered?
- 52:08[SPEAKER_01]: You live thousands of miles away.
- 52:09[SPEAKER_01]: You've been into it for six years.
- 52:12[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you just knock it on there and carry on for a new very good football team?
- 52:16[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, our soccer team.
- 52:18[SPEAKER_01]: Because that makes you happy.
- 52:19[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, I'm into it now.
- 52:20[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't.
- 52:24[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a dude.
- 52:25[SPEAKER_04]: I've had it for like 40 years, man.
- 52:27[SPEAKER_04]: I've been watching the Browns for 40 years and at least I got to see some good stuff.
- 52:32[SPEAKER_04]: I got to see the Bernie years and it prayers for Bernie by the way today.
- 52:36[SPEAKER_04]: I hope he gets through his his surgeries and that kind of stuff.
- 52:41[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, man, it's just I keep hoping and hoping and hoping and we'll see what happens.
- 52:48[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 52:49[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
- 52:49[SPEAKER_00]: Well, do you have any last comments?
- 52:51[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
- 52:52[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
- 52:53[SPEAKER_01]: But no, it's very much bed time for me to just land here and I'll just get up at 5.30.
- 52:59[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, nice to meet you guys.
- 53:02[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you for staying up with us and tuning in.
- 53:06[SPEAKER_00]: It's always great to hear from people we don't hear from all the time.
- 53:09[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you're in the dog pack, you get to chat because it's like a constant thread, just all these different threads, text, you know, it's like texting all the time with everybody.
- 53:18[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
- 53:19[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't get to actually hear them or see them all the time.
- 53:22[SPEAKER_00]: So like, can you get in the go over to London, actually hang out with people in person or being on this show, you guys get to come up here.
- 53:28[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many times now, people come up on stage and it's the first time they've ever actually spoken, you know, audibly with us.
- 53:35[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, it's really cool.
- 53:36[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of fun.
- 53:37[SPEAKER_00]: So if you guys want to be part of these shows, I know the team sucks.
- 53:40[SPEAKER_00]: We ain't going to win many games, rest of the season.
- 53:42[SPEAKER_00]: But we can commiserate together.
- 53:44[SPEAKER_00]: These are our therapy sessions and we get through it together and it's join the dogs.com.
- 53:49[SPEAKER_00]: Become an official dogfac member and hang out with everybody in here.
- 53:52[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do you have any parting thoughts for everybody before?
- 53:56[SPEAKER_00]: Have a game.
- 53:58[SPEAKER_04]: Just do what Darren said, just see what happened positively comes out of this game.
- 54:02[SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be something, right?
- 54:04[SPEAKER_04]: The other thing is guys, it's November, support whoever is doing it.
- 54:08[SPEAKER_04]: You can support me.
- 54:09[SPEAKER_04]: Last but not least, one of the things I learned when I was down and out and sick.
- 54:14[SPEAKER_04]: Live your life and have a good time.
- 54:16[SPEAKER_04]: Biggest thing that I'm going to do, I'm going to head down the Vegas.
- 54:19[SPEAKER_04]: Let's get to that party.
- 54:21[SPEAKER_04]: Let's hang out, have a couple beers, talk the browns, and hang out with Gary Frickin'
- 54:27[SPEAKER_04]: and Eric Madcath.
- 54:28[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go.
- 54:29[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right, baby.
- 54:30[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
- 54:31[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks everybody for tuning in.
- 54:32[SPEAKER_00]: I just pulled it up here in the chat.
- 54:33[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a fly by earlier Aaron did post his made up rules for a drinking game for Sunday.
- 54:38[SPEAKER_00]: So if you don't want to, if you don't have positive things that you're looking for, maybe do a drinking game.
- 54:43[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of rules in here.
- 54:44[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to come through, you know, read them, I'm kind of scrolling through them now.
- 54:47[SPEAKER_00]: And I would just say to make it real quick, maybe do a shot for every hospital ball of Gabriel throws.
- 54:52[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be hammered right quick.
- 54:54[SPEAKER_00]: So
- 54:55[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
- 54:55[SPEAKER_00]: That's enough.
- 54:56[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we bash Dylan Gabriel a lot today.
- 54:57[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll take it easy.
- 54:59[SPEAKER_00]: We'll take it.
- 54:59[SPEAKER_00]: He will save it for Sunday.
- 55:00[SPEAKER_00]: The boobers will be out, but he guys are going to the game have fun.
- 55:03[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy yourselves and we'll see you guys right after the game pretty much Sunday night because again, that's a 430 start.
- 55:11[SPEAKER_00]: So by the time that game is over, we will be pretty much diving right into our reaction show live on YouTube at about 8 o'clock.
- 55:19[SPEAKER_00]: Like we usually do on Sunday.
- 55:20[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see you guys
- 55:24[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go brownies.
- 55:25[SPEAKER_00]: Woohoo.
- 55:26[SPEAKER_00]: And where's the Cleveland Browns?
- 55:27[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
- 55:28[SPEAKER_00]: That's just, that's too good, too good.
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