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Talks to Jason Thompson about his choice of The Daleks’ Masterplan (8/10) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Sorry.
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  Well, count me out new in. Yeah.
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  Okay. In 119 has okay in three, two
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  one. Welcome back to hamster with a
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  blunt. Penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast in our epic commentary to cover.
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  The entirety of the Daleks Master Plan Plus bonus.
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  Episode missions are the unknown.
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  I'm here today with Jason Thompson.
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  Say hello Jason. Hello.
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  And just to see that you've been paying attention because there's
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  been a fair break since we've done the last batch of episodes.
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  If you could, please tell me what's happened today in those
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  master plan, please? Okay recap.
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  Well the Daleks in the year 4000, the planning to conquer
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  the entire universe with help of their evil weapon, the time
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  Destructor, the doctor has stolen the turanian, Core the
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  vital element without which it doesn't work and he's run away
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  and he left them with a fake one.
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  And last week something totally unrelated happened because it
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  was the Christmas Day episode and they ended up in a film
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  studio and in a police station. But you know, Christmas is out
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  of the way now, and we're onto the Doctor Who's first New
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  Year's Day episode and this is the first instance of a
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  recurring. And I'm going to use air quotes
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  here villain in Doctor. Who isn't it apart from the
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  dies? It is indeed yes.
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  The Doctor Who's first recurring, Dylan or rig, even a
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  recurring character, who hadn't been in it for a while.
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  You know, we see we have the regulars, but this is the first
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  time we've character from several months or whatever.
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  Previously has returned and obviously, we'll, we'll address
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  of that when it happened. Yeah, I've got some things to
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  ask you about the monk, when we get there.
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  Well, should we skip into episode 8?
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  That and see what happens. Let's do just that.
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  So, anyone who's watching stroke listening along in three, two,
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  one. Here we go.
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  Jason is in complete control. This commentary because he is
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  now the house and he is controlling the screen.
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  I'm not used to being in, to, in another man's hands like this,
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  but it's very exciting. I have to say, I mean, you're
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  not used to be another man's hands Joe.
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  Well, the doctors are less. Am I going to get a stop it?
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  Now, you probably will. God Joe off.
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  I was always convinced that we were going to be washing moving
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  pictures. The sequence was moving, there's
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  a little bit of movement because it's so it's Daleks and they did
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  animate them for the some of the Reconstruction parts of the
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  episode. So there are some a couple of
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  abated Daleks in, but and we've gone straight back into the
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  Daleks. So after a year, after a week,
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  last week, last, no Daleks whatsoever in a complete gap,
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  which is remind everybody. We are actually watching a,
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  Dalek Story, by starting it with a Dalek.
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  So is this the first instant? This is the only instance of
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  Cliffhanger reprise. Absolutely nothing at all to do
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  with the last episode. It's not know.
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  There have been as previously that didn't have Cliffhanger a
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  prior, but they generally happen between stories in some
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  respects, you could argue, that's what's happened here
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  because episode 7 was kind of an interlude between the two halves
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  of this story so before picking up.
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  Yeah, it's is literally like the Christmas special between two
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  series of new, who isn't it? This is a, it's that kind of
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  Series 2 of the Dalek cereal. I suppose it's closest to the
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  series 7 which had the snowmen in the middle of it.
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  Yes, very true. Oh, I neither Lotto split season
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  is, you know, but I just didn't like and you haven't talked to
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  around five weeks, you really irritate me but when you know,
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  they were watching Doctor Who for your weeks of the year.
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  Yeah, I mean Seasons. I think 39 episodes long total.
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  So yeah, it is on most if it was know if you're in around the
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  1968 you had Dr Who a 48 weeks of the year in Levine had a 41.
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  41 episodes were shown plus a 7 episode repeat of evil of the
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  Daleks in 1968 so yeah so no wonder this became a staple of
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  like you know tee time viewing on a Saturday if it was on for
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  two-thirds of the year. Yeah, or more in many cases.
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  But yeah, it was We could only dream of that now, couldn't we?
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  Yeah, I'm not surprised. I mean, it didn't ask her the
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  leading man in. Well, two consecutive eating
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  been got knackered by the recording schedule.
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  So when did that change? That was /.
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  We that change was there because they're exhausted trout and as
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  well and trout and was you know, a theater actor, them heart
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  little, but by the end of Bible, the right grumpy bugger by
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  serious season six. Yeah, but they all think it was
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  Derek show. A new working with Patrick
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  troughton, a monster 36 who took on board his concerns, but
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  basically said we can't do anything about it while you're
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  here. Sorry mate.
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  But the next season of Doctor, Who was half as long.
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  Yeah. And then they started recording
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  and then different ways as well, why they started doing two
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  episodes of fortnight rather than what a week which must have
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  yeah. Yeah.
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  In a bit more recording out of order, as well.
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  So at this, In the recording each episodes a week.
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  One episode a week they're recording it as much live as
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  they possibly can. So getting through it all in one
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  go as far as possible with minimal recording breaks, and
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  also only recording them about at this point.
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  Three weeks ahead of transmission.
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  So imagine then imagine if those that filming schedule, they had
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  during the early 70s had been applied here.
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  Almost mood may have lifted considerably here.
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  May have been a much more sort of amiable fellow to be around,
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  you know, on the studio floor. Quite possibly depending on what
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  else he was doing when he wasn't doing doctor to.
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  Of course, when you reverse that and make Pertwee work for your
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  weeks of the Year exhausted, he would have been unbearable when
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  they don't think he's running for five years if he doesn't.
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  He's done that. So okay so we just had we went
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  to the police station when episode 7 and then we went to
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  the Hollywood studio in America and now in a minute we go off to
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  a quick A pitch. So there is a real feeling of
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  the chase here. Isn't that of like quick
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  vignettes as I go from place to place to place to show the like,
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  the Daleks are in Hot Pursuit of the doctor and the trainee.
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  Oh, cool. Yes.
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  Although, of course, is not the Daleks in pursuit of him.
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  At this point, they haven't figured out the problem and they
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  haven't sent their time machine off yet, the doctor is being
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  followed because know who by yet, but yes, this is very much
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  Dennis Spooner coming and going, right?
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  I've got to make this Any plans six-episode story twice as long.
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  Will she have a Christmas episode in there for one?
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  And then I'll just I'll go back to the chase, put that in and
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  I'll bring back a character that I wrote for a previous story as
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  well. Just too bulky ball out.
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  There we go, that'll do the job surprisingly works.
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  I've got an unfair question for you then because you've already
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  say that you can listen to this through and you love the length.
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  This is and there isn't anything that you would choose to take
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  out and that you kind of like the breadth of it all However,
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  if this was to be six episodes long, yeah, this was the
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  original dollars, master plan, six episodes long, what would
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  you excite us to make this six episodes long?
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  That's a toughie I know. But off you go, that's a great.
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  Great question. Can I think about it and come
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  back to that in the next episode?
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  I mean, let's be honest. You dick size the whole of
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  episode seven when you oh yeah, the whole episode 7 would go And
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  that might just, but that could stand up that could still stand
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  alone as a as a Christmas episode.
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  Because if it was, if they did cut garlic, master plan down to
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  6, then what is now episode 7 would still happen on Christmas
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  day so we probably still have something similar to that.
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  You could probably even take out all the fake course.
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  I've just follow the core. So the first kind of episodes on
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  Kimball And then off to Earth because we're doing a bit of
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  well building. And then, literally from Earth,
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  you could go to skaro and that would be your six episodes,
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  wouldn't it? Yeah, just get it back to the
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  end and we'd skip all the stuff about being molecular
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  disseminated or so and all this business with the dark time
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  machine so on and so forth. So yeah, it could be Then we'd
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  Miss deep down. I'm a ball.
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  But yeah, listen on a trampoline.
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  Yes, but I don't, I don't know that it would be quite so.
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  Well regarded don't think it will be quite such a good
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  well-regarded storing. If it was only six episodes, I
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  think the fact that this is 12 episodes makes it seem a lot
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  more epic and matches up with the Dalek master plan title.
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  Although, of course no one in 1965 and 66 knew it was called
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  dark master plan because they weren't doing on-screen titles
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  at that time. But we're not the only other
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  time. They dare to attempt this or
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  thing. Wasn't it was Planet of the
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  Daleks. Sorry.
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  Frontier in space into Planet of the Daleks which were supposed
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  to be like this 12-episode kind of Epic, which starts off with
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  showing the war between and Draconian then reveals the
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  dialects as the big fret and then supposedly deals with the
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  Daleks. Then in the next episode.
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  Oh, it's like goes a bit awry because I feel like the two
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  episodes that the link between the two episodes is so tenuous
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  and the climax really has nothing to do with the beginning
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  asshole where This is freaking awesome or even if it is even if
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  this is a bit indulgent and a bit all over the place it is one
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  Focus story, isn't it? Yeah it is absolutely here.
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  We are on the cricket pitch. Oh yes.
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  Oh no. Thanks.
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  But actual folk, it footage of a cricket match.
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  That's not difficult to come by. Is it?
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  But yeah, I like the fella from Terror of the zygons on the
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  radio. That's interesting.
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  Is he the actor that plays it? Yeah.
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  I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, it may well be.
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  But yeah, it's this is just a fun little interlude because of
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  course, it's still New Year's Day and it's not Christmas so
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  they haven't gone all Go out and made a comedy Standalone
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  episode, but it is New Year's Day so they want a little bit of
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  fun. So they've got this weird little
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  interlude pitch where the commentators just take the
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  materialization of the targets on the cricket pitch entirely in
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  stride and I've got a little bit, but if you repeal, this is
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  executed though, because I feel like the the guys that are doing
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  the commentary over, what's going on?
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  They're not really like delivering it comically or women
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  much Pace. They sound of it board actually.
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  Yeah, it's not the best little interlude.
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  It could have been done better. Frankly, when you compare it to
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  what they were doing in seven, all that energy and Madness in
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  Hollywood, Yeah, and they might have been going for.
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  They might have been trying, you know, the comedy could be coming
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  from the fact that these guys just talk about what's going on,
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  don't show any interest in it whatsoever.
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  They just come in commenting on what's going on.
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  But I mean it's yeah. Telling the story isn't it a
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  different way of doing it. Our folks.
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  It is yeah, he's just imagine a whole episode being done as like
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  a commentary. Yeah, three bulbs I think Well,
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  there we go, there's an idea. Let's pitch that to the BBC
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  pitch that to Russell, T Davies and see what he says.
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  I know, just the man that could do it, you know, done 350 of
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  these now, okay? So yeah.
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  Back into the Tardis, something is still following them.
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  So something happened earlier on actually, which made me so I
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  wanted to briefly, which we're going to transition.
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  Got exterminated. How did I miss that?
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  Yeah, because he was used as a subject for the time Destructor.
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  And that's when they found out, they doesn't work, but then they
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  shot him afterwards anyway, so there you go.
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  That just got actually that just goes to prove that, that whole
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  thing. It was just kill more time
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  because essentially before the Christmas episode, when that
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  whole long sequence, where Making the fight one and then
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  straight away afterwards. They expose it's a fake.
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  So it's not even like it's a useful plot point or anything is
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  is just marking time, he's just marking time and why not?
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  But when they exterminated twenties that's got a lot of a
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  lot of reviews and comments and books and things that I read
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  about, Darling, master plan. So talk about you know what's
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  the point of this Galactic Alliance?
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  The Daleks have if they're just going to shoot people when
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  they're finishing up, their shots F on ready in episode 3,
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  episode. Yeah, episode 3, they shot him.
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  Now they've shot trendiest. What's the point of this
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  Galactic Alliance? I've got my my theory about
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  this, I've got 12, but you go first.
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  My theory is the Daleks do not actually need this.
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  Alliance at all for their own benefit for their own actions.
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  The point of it is to keep the of the galaxies and the solar
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  system from allying against the Daleks.
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  Oh, In episode 5, I think Chen said you know, we should be able
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  to destroy Kemble with help from the rest of the solar system.
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  And at the end later in the story, he says penis, we can
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  muster a greater force than the Daleks.
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  So if the Daleks tip their hand too early, they'll get trounced.
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  So they create this Alliance to keep the outer galaxies and
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  their beliefs, their enemies close to lie without Alliance.
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  That's my theory and I am sticking to it.
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  I have to go. Live out there was a bit like
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  the sidemen international. Isn't it?
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  Is that they plant that bulb because all those forces are
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  coming together to destroy the Cyber race.
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  You know, they know they're not strong enough to fight against
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  them, I think that works. However, my alternative theory
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  is this is that the Daleks do in fact, require the assistance of
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  all these people in the solar system and obviously they need
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  the turanian donate for the core.
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  So they definitely need mavic Chen.
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  And maybe magic Chen would only be interested in getting
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  involved if the others, you know, like it.
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  Feels like there's a great plot we've all the major Powers any
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  of us but unfortunately it is true for the universe that the
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  Daleks do have a bit of a temper.
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  And so these are these murders that occur throughout the story
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  while they will not have it was planned but unfortunately they
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  are a bit trigger-happy and you know, and anyway, they're all.
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  So fuckin incompetent. These people, you know, that's
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  honestly when they eventually kill Qin, I do that.
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  Darling having the most satisfying days ever had in his
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  life when you find it, bumps and holes.
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  I would imagine. So, I mean, the whole turanian,
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  it's a bit bizarre, isn't it? Because in, why would, why did
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  they make a weapon that required?
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  Something that was only found on a planet that they haven't
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  conquered yet? That's a bit like designing the
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  atom bomb in World War Two and the only uranium Supply being
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  interrogated or something like that, you know, it's, it is a
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  noble truth of the universe. If you do pick a part of these
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  Doctor Who stories and look for logic cool, very off box of this
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  point is, but that, you know, doesn't stop it from being a
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  good fun story. And now the monk is turned up.
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  Gray we like them to know what the performers in this sequence
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  between William Hartmann. Be a bottle work.
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  When they're laughing, their heads off and shout and
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  Aristotle. It's so funny.
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  It's really good. Oh, it's brilliant.
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  The interplay between them in the time.
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  Manila was really good. So you can see why Dennis
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  Spooner wanted to bring this, bring this chat back.
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  It does. Raise the question though of
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  now. Why is he a monk?
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  Because it made sense in the time meddler because he was
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  holed up in a monastery, pretending to be a monk for the
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  locals courts. Why is he still a monk now?
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  He's escaped from 1066. What's the story here?
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  I don't know if finished, I know of them a lot with the Monk and
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  the I'm like that and I'm sure he's appeared in several books
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  so they might well be an explanation but I don't know
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  what it is. I mean I am garden and ruthless
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  Halen playing the monk amazing character actors.
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  Well I sound like a broken record Jason it is a fact that
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  when these characters of races are introduced in Doctor Who
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  then that's kind of what they get stuck with maybe the ice
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  Warriors that made sense in the ice Warriors.
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  When they were coming out, looking like Vikings but all the
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  sudden they're just called the ice Warrior culture.
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  Yep. No, that's very true.
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  Same with the sea Devils. They were called The Devil's by
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  people who first saw them in the sea devils.
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  And then, my worries have deep. Everyone's calling them sea
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  Devils. What is in themselves about the
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  eeo scenes that didn't get called by what they should have
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  been called? Oh well Partners loving these
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  things as they die. He is loving playing comic
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  scenes with Butterworth. What are you?
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  The carry on talking. I don't know if they know
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  they're going to carry on together.
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  They were both in Karen's Kephart laws in carry on
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  sergeant, and Peter Butterworth was in a couple of them.
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  I always think of because the first one I saw him in the first
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  thing I remember is come carry on screening.
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  Oh, that one really solid it's not not carry on speed, that's
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  that was fabulous. But now I think hot women,
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  better worth didn't appear in the carry-on some together, but
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  they work brilliantly together here.
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  Well, I think I have a question for you, but it's not from me.
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  This is coming your way is winging all its way from up,
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  north from Frasier Gregory and his question for you, is this I
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  asked a couple of people for some questions for you.
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  And you're putting the you okay, no pressure now, but Fraser
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  asks, does the monk fit? Well, into this story like in
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  the context of this story as he did in the time meddler?
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  I think he works really rather well in this I think Dennis
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  spoon. I mean obviously you know
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  looking looking at it from a critical point of view.
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  Dennis Spooner is just chucked him in to provide a bit more
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  material to bulk out the story to make it longer but I think it
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  works really well. He provides a little bit of a
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  distraction for the doctor and Steve and Sarah so that they
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  don't first realize when the Daleks are following them his
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  interactions with the Daleks and with Steven and Sarah in part.
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  10. In particular a hilarious, I
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  think so. Yeah I think I think he works
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  really nicely in this story. It's a kind of contrast because
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  we've gone the tone of this story has shifted enormously
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  since past seven. Yeah because the first half the
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  story is very, it's quite, it's very dark.
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  It's very dramatic, it's very straight-laced.
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  There's not an awful lot of humor in the first five.
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  At first six episodes. It's very much a Sci-Fi drama.
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  I made any spoon it comes in and goes now sod that I'm going to
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  do something completely different and so he puts a lot
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  more comedy and lucked into the last half.
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  Appropriately though. Dispensing with all of that at
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  the end. Yeah, I was going to say the
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  last two. There's not a lot of love there.
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  Jason. No.
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  But this is what this story needs.
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  I think at this point, because it was 12 episodes of the kind
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  of Relentless, Grim drama that we'd seen in the first few
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  episodes. And then again, at the end, 12
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  episodes of that might have been a bit much to take.
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  So I think this kind of Shifting the emphasis and the tone for a
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  few episodes in the middle is just What this 14 the breathe a
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  bit more life into it and keep you running along with it until
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  the end? Well, you know what?
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  They've done with the with the Christmas episode it was very
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  jarring. Wasn't it?
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  After what? I've come but it kind of
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  registers away from that seriousness.
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  So now they can have some fun like after the yeah.
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  So, did you know? So the transition it wasn't, you
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  know, I'm dramatic. But now we've made that
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  transition, we can have really nice set pieces like this.
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  Yeah absolutely. What do I know of trivia for you
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  is that I know it took them four attempts.
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  Thanks to thanks to my copy of the handbook.
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  It took them four attempts to get the establishing shot of the
• 21:36
  TARDIS near the volcano on this planet.
• 21:39
  Because they had terrible, technical difficulties, and had
• 21:41
  to keep remounting. It just took ages to do and
• 21:44
  Hartnell was not very happy with this, bit of the scene.
• 21:48
  Why? Because the monk does something
• 21:51
  to the lock of the TARDIS and the doctor apparently just
• 21:55
  shines the light of the Sun from that planet through his ring,
• 21:58
  into the lock, which undoes all the stuff.
• 22:00
  The monkey and heart will couldn't get his head around,
• 22:03
  how the hell that was supposed to work and he didn't really
• 22:05
  like the explanation at all and agree.
• 22:08
  It's a complete. Pile of rubbish, really because
• 22:11
  it's just like the monks done something with oxygen or at my
• 22:13
  ring zap. Both problem solved sound
• 22:20
  Applause. We've had for an inductor.
• 22:22
  I think know they have been worse but you weren't around
• 22:27
  when the Sonic Screwdriver was about.
• 22:28
  Then it, I may be a lot of things to say about that.
• 22:32
  Do you think they're obviously like, we don't we know that the
• 22:35
  monk do we know the monks from the same Planet as a doctor?
• 22:37
  They do say that the time, I don't, they They do, I'm laws
• 22:41
  and Gallifreyan a year in the future.
• 22:42
  At this point, we haven't heard those terms whatsoever, but we
• 22:45
  do know that they are from the same Planet.
• 22:48
  They are of the same race. So that's fresh now.
• 22:51
  Yeah, that's fresh. The idea of meeting somebody
• 22:53
  from the doctors home planet because we know so little about
• 22:56
  him and his planet, that anything is a bit enticing.
• 23:00
  Do you think it ever gets to a point in the future?
• 23:02
  Where actually is not a renegade Time.
• 23:04
  Lord, you know, the master, the Ronnie, you know, it gets to a
• 23:08
  point where you know, Gary Russell in his latest epic
• 23:11
  divided. Loyalties does the Gallifrey
• 23:13
  90210 sequence set on, you know, where we meet all of the
• 23:18
  youngsters in the Gallifreyan Academy before heading off and
• 23:22
  being evil in. The, I mean, is it a bit much
• 23:24
  later on? I think it does get a bit much
• 23:27
  later on. Yes, you just keep finding
• 23:29
  Renegade time Lords. But at this point, it's still
• 23:34
  very fresh and to this point when this episode was
• 23:38
  transmitted the time meddler had only been on about six months.
• 23:40
  Previously, that's true. It's true.
• 23:44
  It's interesting because like the monk is working with the
• 23:49
  Daleks Ali later, Later on he does s at this point he's just
• 23:54
  the this episode is an interesting one because there's
• 23:57
  two plots happening, side-by-side that don't actually
• 24:00
  interconnect at all. So all the stuff on Kemble with
• 24:04
  the Daleks testing, the time Destructor and getting the time
• 24:06
  machine and going after the doctor is happening, while the
• 24:09
  doctor is being followed by the Monk and dealing, with the Monk
• 24:12
  on Tigers, nearly those to plot lines.
• 24:15
  Do not intersect at this in this episode at all.
• 24:18
  It's not until the next episode. They all come together Slope is
• 24:22
  our weight is bizarre bar. I've been doing the untold Star
• 24:26
  Trek project commentaries recently and whenever we dive
• 24:31
  into Picard series, one is exactly this.
• 24:35
  It's episodes where it's two different plots that are
• 24:40
  advancing in Li the overall Arc of the Season.
• 24:44
  That fuckles move each other. I think this is ahead of his
• 24:46
  time. Yeah, I agree.
• 24:49
  Star Trek have a lot of those the A, and B put It's quite
• 24:52
  often didn't actually connect with each other whatsoever.
• 24:54
  Well, thanks what they did. It was usually with a line or
• 24:57
  the very tenuous theme. Yeah, I mean consider episodes
• 25:02
  like d S9 s treachery faith in the Great River.
• 25:05
  Which on the one hand you have Odo and the defective weyoun on
• 25:09
  their run about talking about the Dominion and all that kind.
• 25:13
  And then you've got nog trying to get captain sisko's desk
• 25:16
  back. And doing all these ferringhi
• 25:18
  type exchanges will have those two plots have nothing.
• 25:21
  Connection whatsoever. But it's a fantastic episode
• 25:24
  both fabulous. So are they they're fabulous and
• 25:28
  totally totally different color. Not only are they again like
• 25:31
  this one? Not only are they completely
• 25:33
  separate and not at all related to each other.
• 25:35
  They have totally different tones.
• 25:38
  What's going on? The Tardis has materialized
• 25:44
  during a New Year celebration and the Daleks are about to send
• 25:48
  their time machine off to follow them.
• 25:51
  I'll tell you what Jason anyone would think that last week's
• 25:53
  episode where they accidentally landed at Christmas and this
• 25:56
  week's episode where they've accidentally landed in New
• 25:58
  Year's or broadcast on those exact days.
• 26:02
  You would think so. Yes, it would be many years
• 26:05
  before we got another New Year's episode, Is it normal to Jerry
• 26:09
  West Coast time? End of time, part to live on in
• 26:14
  this game but that had sold all to do with New Year's Day
• 26:17
  because that was direct. Follow on from activities that
• 26:19
  were happening around Christmas day.
• 26:21
  Yeah. It is kind of resolution, isn't
• 26:26
  it at the end of series 11 resolution is the first New Year
• 26:31
  special, that's actually got anything to do with new year.
• 26:33
  Yeah. And it makes them are next.
• 26:35
  Bloody evil and murderous again is fabulous.
• 26:40
  Oh yes, I love I love it. I was thinking.
• 26:44
  Yeah, the new year. Yeah, it's gone.
• 26:46
  The Daleks are in Pursuit and we here we go.
• 26:48
  The chase Mark to happening. I'll tell you what?
• 26:51
  That flute. Give it that we didn't have no
• 26:54
  Telly snaps or anything. Absolutely.
• 26:57
  No. These are flying by really
• 27:00
  quickly. And in New Year's Day, Fun, by
• 27:03
  the way, just to just to finish off work soon.
• 27:06
  As there were two other episodes that were shown on New Year
• 27:08
  today in the classic run, but they had nothing to do with new.
• 27:11
  Year at all. They just happened to be on
• 27:12
  those dates. Well and that's day of the
• 27:14
  Daleks part one and I believe the face of Evil part one, they
• 27:18
  just happen to happen on New Year's Day but nothing to do
• 27:21
  with New Year's whatsoever. Nothing to do with New Year's
• 27:24
  whatsoever. It's just that's what they
• 27:25
  started. I mean Tire the darling start a
• 27:27
  season so you could say there's something was something
• 27:29
  brand-new was starting there. It did it in face of evil, kind
• 27:34
  of started the second half of the season.
• 27:36
  So but you know, I think with seven and a This is kind of like
• 27:42
  our main dive, right? We're off to Egypt next, aren't
• 27:46
  we? We're off to Egypt?
• 27:47
  Yes. Yes, it's even more.
• 27:49
  Even more like fortunes from the main storyline.
• 27:54
  Yeah. That reason plus the monk plus
• 27:56
  Chen. Absolutely.
• 28:00
  That is a Melting Pot. I cannot wait to jump into with
• 28:02
  you shall we? Let's do so.
• 28:06
  Yes.