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The Telltale Traits Of An Effective Modern Warrior · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Hello friends, I'm your host, Chris Throw.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a former Rumeries commando. I've adventured for better and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes worse, across eighty countries on all seven continents. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the Port the t Shirt Podcast, Anthony, How are you?
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me here, Chris, I'm great and it's
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  Speaker 4: a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely wonderful to have you on the show. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't slaughter the pronunciation too badly.
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  Speaker 4: I'll reply to that offscreen. Yeah, no, no, you're all right,
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  Speaker 4: You're good.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, no, wonderful. Italian.
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming I'm half Italian. Yeah, yes, yes, Roger, I
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  Speaker 4: sound English, but I've actually lived in Italy longer than
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  Speaker 4: I ever did in England.
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  Speaker 2: So which part of Italy?
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  Speaker 4: I'm in Tuscany now. We live in Tuscany. We have
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  Speaker 4: a retreat center and where we have a project here
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  Speaker 4: to regenerate a large piece of land, and the town
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  Speaker 4: above us as well, which has been an ex mining
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  Speaker 4: town and it's empty. So we're generating interest in people
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  Speaker 4: are interested in breathwork and the work that I do.
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  Speaker 4: That I'm moving here and buying houses in the village,
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  Speaker 4: and it's a fascinating project. It'll last longer than my lifetime,
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  Speaker 4: that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Brilliant, brilliant. Anthony's probably heard me say that in the introduction.
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  Speaker 2: I've been getting my kind of hermetic ceiling over the years.
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  Speaker 2: It's taken me a long time. I'm very much. I
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  Speaker 2: think I'm I self medicate childhood trauma. I guess you've
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  Speaker 2: complex complex trauma. I think it's probably more accurate. I
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  Speaker 2: have worked really hard to get on top of the addictions.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they would have killed me otherwise, as things
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  Speaker 2: as silly as even caffeine a cup of tea, I'll
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  Speaker 2: just go full on down that route, you know, or
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  Speaker 2: it will be chocolate in the there's all. Anyway. My
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  Speaker 2: point is I wanted to know what it would be
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  Speaker 2: like to be firing, you know, to be good, to
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  Speaker 2: be in spirit, you could say, to have this enlightenment,
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  Speaker 2: to be full of the light that scripture talks about.
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  Speaker 2: And gosh, I'm say I'm pretty much almost there. I
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  Speaker 2: do the things, you know. I moderate exercise every day, sauna,
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  Speaker 2: cold plunge or hot shower, cold shower. I eat a
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  Speaker 2: pH neutral diet, not not. I mean it's delicious and
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  Speaker 2: I love it. It's not it's not like a punishment
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  Speaker 2: or anything. And YadA, YadA, yadda. I feel like I've done,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a good job. No doubt they'll be slipped backs.
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  Speaker 2: But the one thing, though that I haven't focused on
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  Speaker 2: almost at all, is the breath work. And I want
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  Speaker 2: to ask you why am I missing you know what
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  Speaker 2: am I missing out on?
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  Speaker 4: That's a that's a big It's a big issue. This
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  Speaker 4: is a you're in a serious condition, you know, with
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  Speaker 4: all the excellence that you have demonstrated in your life,
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  Speaker 4: not just by the things that the things that you've
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  Speaker 4: accomplished in the outer world, but also in your inner world,
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  Speaker 4: to have met addiction and come through the other side,
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  Speaker 4: and to stay alert and watchful and mindful about not
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  Speaker 4: sliding down that slippery slope again. I almost want to
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  Speaker 4: be cheek and invite you to get addicted to your
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  Speaker 4: breath because we are actually we are. We can't do
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  Speaker 4: without it. We are absolutely dependent on it. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that to me, and you mentioned the word spirit,
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  Speaker 4: that's exactly what the breath is. And that's why we
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  Speaker 4: call it getting inspired, is because we're bringing in spirit.
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  Speaker 4: So when we inspire consciously, we're consciously embracing you could say,
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  Speaker 4: a higher power and the consequences of Obviously, if we
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  Speaker 4: don't embrace a higher power, how can we expect a
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  Speaker 4: higher power to help us? So I know in your
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  Speaker 4: journey through addiction, you've probably done that just from the
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  Speaker 4: few words you've said you've had. You've chosen to embrace
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  Speaker 4: the aid and support of a higher power. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that the breath is a complete paradox. It's something
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  Speaker 4: we don't even have to think about. Ever, people won't
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  Speaker 4: unless they lose it. Then they'll think they don't have enough. Youself,
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  Speaker 4: you're about to go on a big climb, and you'll
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  Speaker 4: be negotiating that for yourself. But it is the most
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  Speaker 4: fundamental thing in our lives, and we step over it
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  Speaker 4: all the time in our effort to reach the peak
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  Speaker 4: of something, to reach the peak of our next accomplishment.
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  Speaker 4: But we do forget that we're going to be breathing
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  Speaker 4: along the way. And actually, you know my own experience
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  Speaker 4: with breath, I first discovered it when I was eight
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  Speaker 4: years old, the power of the breath, and I would
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  Speaker 4: say even now, I'm seventy one as of yesterday, So
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  Speaker 4: that makes it. How many years is that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: sixty three years of discovery and inquiry into the breath
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like I know that much about one breath.
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  Speaker 4: That's how massive a subject this is. And to think
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  Speaker 4: of the fact that we don't reflect on it at
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  Speaker 4: all is astounding. So I'm a student. I'm not a professional.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a student, and I always will be of this
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  Speaker 4: extraordinary thing. I just even one breath, just one cycle
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  Speaker 4: of inhaling and exhaling, is worthy of a lifetime of
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  Speaker 4: reflection and study. So it gives some sense of proportion.
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  Speaker 4: It's dramatic. It's a dramatic element that we keep turning
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  Speaker 4: away from.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you touched on something.
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  Speaker 4: Then.
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  Speaker 2: I've read the book Gaia Theory many years ago now,
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  Speaker 2: and it enlightened me, as this indoctrinated matrix person that
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  Speaker 2: not been long out the military, that everything's connected. You know,
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  Speaker 2: traditional science or traditional way of looking things is that
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  Speaker 2: rock is a rock, than that tree is a tree,
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  Speaker 2: and we're great because we're the humans and we dominate it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like no. And to take that further, if
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  Speaker 2: we're going to buy into the concept that there's the
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  Speaker 2: one that all the everything universe, God's spirit, whatever we're
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  Speaker 2: going to call that, and we are a the microcosm
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  Speaker 2: of the macro or holistic representation of the bigger picture,
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  Speaker 2: then symbiotically we connect to everything via our breath, don't we.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. I'm connected to that tree in the garden
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  Speaker 2: right now as we speak, because as I breathe out,
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  Speaker 2: it breathes in and then it breaths out. Now, if
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  Speaker 2: I walked into a pub and told everyone, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a tree, well half of me is that people
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  Speaker 2: would look at you like you were absolutely insane. But
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  Speaker 2: it's the truth. Appears to be madness to people that
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  Speaker 2: haven't opened their eyes to had their eyes open. Am
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  Speaker 2: I sort of hitting a little bit?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's a there's such a ridiculousness about the obviousness
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  Speaker 5: that we managed to avoid noticing. It's such a it's
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  Speaker 5: such an indicator of the human condition and how easy
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  Speaker 5: it is for us to miss the point.
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  Speaker 4: And I think you just nailed it there. You walk
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  Speaker 4: into a pub and you say you're a tree, they're
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  Speaker 4: going to think you're knutballs, but it's true. And you
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  Speaker 4: know another thing, for example, argon and a gas that's
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  Speaker 4: in every breath we breathe that never goes away. We're
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  Speaker 4: recycling argon, that the Buddha breathed, that Jesus breathed, that
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  Speaker 4: Hitler breathed. We're connected to all of that. It's like
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  Speaker 4: we're drinking from the same well. And I think what
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  Speaker 4: that helps me understand, really where that takes me is
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  Speaker 4: to the power of forgiveness that you know when we
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  Speaker 4: say I am you and I am me, and those
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  Speaker 4: little mentors and cliches that people use, but it begins
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  Speaker 4: to become normal, this awareness that actually, yes, you are.
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  Speaker 4: We are connected and so that shines such a sharp,
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  Speaker 4: perhaps harsh light on the way the world works, because
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  Speaker 4: we really act as if we're disconnected, and especially from
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  Speaker 4: the consequences we create in other people's hearts and their
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  Speaker 4: minds and their lives.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony, we will come on and tell your story and
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  Speaker 2: we're going to promote very much, promote your book or
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  Speaker 2: it's certainly going to give it some exposure. I just
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  Speaker 2: want to touch on something that's quite important, and it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of what we talk about a lot on this channel,
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  Speaker 2: and that is I get a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's this age old argument, isn't there is there more
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  Speaker 2: evil in the world now than there was, say, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred years ago, than say ten thousand years ago. Yadda, YadA, YadA,
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  Speaker 2: and when you look out. I did a live podcast
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  Speaker 2: last night and I was trying to sum up the
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  Speaker 2: absolute lunacy of letting corporate millionaire and billionaires become presidents
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  Speaker 2: and and then talk about whether they're going to take
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  Speaker 2: their people to bomb to death the men, women and
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  Speaker 2: children in another country as though it's like a computer game.
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  Speaker 2: It's insanity. And a lot of people realize this, and
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  Speaker 2: off the back of what I call it the medical
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  Speaker 2: nonsense that we've we've all just been been through and
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  Speaker 2: then and then you've got, you know, the financial system
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  Speaker 2: which is all set up against us. Education is a lie,
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  Speaker 2: the food industry is a massive lie. The medicare and
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  Speaker 2: the pharmacut is just just so. I don't think people
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  Speaker 2: understand how the evil beyond belief. These are individuals that
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  Speaker 2: do not care about you. They care about their clique club,
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  Speaker 2: call it new New World order, whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 2: And people say, yeah, Chris, you know what can we do?
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to get your military friends together and
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  Speaker 2: take them? And my answer, Anthony, is well, what have
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  Speaker 2: you done today? We're all connected? What have you done
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  Speaker 2: to raise the energy? Did you go out the door smiling?
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  Speaker 2: Did you say hello to the people that you meet.
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  Speaker 2: They might have been going home to contemplate suicide, and
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  Speaker 2: a quick hey you okay might raise their spirit. They
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  Speaker 2: go home, pick up the phone to an old friend
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  Speaker 2: they haven't chatted for They're like, wow, my friend called
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  Speaker 2: me out the blue. You know, have you done breath work?
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  Speaker 2: Have you done the hot shower, cold shower? Have you meditated?
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  Speaker 2: What have you done to do your part of the bargain?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sort of I've seen enough of this now,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony to know that a lot of people they're just
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  Speaker 2: manifesting their trauma. They don't really want to do anything.
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  Speaker 2: They just want other people to acknowledge that they're in pain,
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  Speaker 2: that the world's in pain, and it's everybody else's fault.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not judging people here. This would have been
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  Speaker 2: me at one time in my life. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: I think these chats are invaluable. Is I see, breath
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  Speaker 2: work is a crucial fact if you want a better planet.
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  Speaker 2: This is something that I think we need to not
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  Speaker 2: only understand but put into practice. Again, am I sort
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  Speaker 2: of making sense?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're nailing it. You know. First of all, just
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  Speaker 4: to give a quick rundown on what breath work is,
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  Speaker 4: fifty percent of breath work is being aware of your
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  Speaker 4: breath and then and choosing to be aware of your breath,
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  Speaker 4: and then the other fifty percent is discovering different breath
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  Speaker 4: styles that create different effects from hacking your nervous system, longevity,
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  Speaker 4: modulating your moods, developing energy, discharging energy, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: all kinds. There are all kinds of knobs and switches
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  Speaker 4: on this dashboard we call breath and then there's the
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  Speaker 4: conscious connected breath. And the reason I wanted to come
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  Speaker 4: to this because this is really the big kahuna of
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  Speaker 4: breath work, which is what has become so popular now
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  Speaker 4: in the world and is being has actually been commodified,
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  Speaker 4: just like medicine, just like food, just like yoga. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's going down the same road. And there are some
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  Speaker 4: unscrupulous offerings that are out there, But a conscious connected
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  Speaker 4: breath is particularly appropriate to bring into the picture now
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  Speaker 4: because you mentioned people are recreating their trauma and they're
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  Speaker 4: sitting in victimhood, and we're in a world trauma. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we're under trauma. We're under the stress of trauma all
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  Speaker 4: the time because of the ridiculous, ridiculous illness that everybody
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  Speaker 4: supposedly had, and also the is wanted to be that way.
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  Speaker 4: The grand design is to keep us under that kind
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  Speaker 4: of stress. So I think the beauty of the conscious
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  Speaker 4: connected breath is that it actually stops us thinking the
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  Speaker 4: same way. And one of the problems that I see
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  Speaker 4: in the world is that there's a desperate need for
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  Speaker 4: a different conversation to take place. And yet what I
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  Speaker 4: do see happening is that people, when they're upset or
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  Speaker 4: activated or threatened by this trauma force that exists in
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  Speaker 4: the world today, we tend to fall into opposition of it.
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  Speaker 4: And when we need I think what we need to
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  Speaker 4: be aware of is when we give opposition to something
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  Speaker 4: that's existent in the world, we need to be really
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  Speaker 4: careful because if we're not super mindful about what saying
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  Speaker 4: and where we're going with this if it's motivated by
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  Speaker 4: any sense of adrenaline inside us. Actually, we're going to
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  Speaker 4: contribute to the conversation. We're going to contribute to the polarization. Unconsciously,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to fall into the argument. And yet we
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  Speaker 4: actually need to create a different conversation. And that's not
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  Speaker 4: to say protests doesn't work. I'm not saying it's a
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  Speaker 4: yes and more than a yes, but for me, but
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  Speaker 4: what I see in the world is that the powers
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  Speaker 4: that are in control use their opposition as the fuel
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  Speaker 4: to strengthen their point of view and to strengthen the
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  Speaker 4: pitch that they make out there in the world, and
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  Speaker 4: to make it things just get worse. So there have
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  Speaker 4: been a few people in the world in world history
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  Speaker 4: that have created new conversations, and we can probably count
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  Speaker 4: them on one or two hands, you know, like Jesus
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  Speaker 4: or Nulson, Mandela or Mahatma Gandhi. And when you consider
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  Speaker 4: that these people did this not by reaction. They did
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  Speaker 4: it not even by doing as much as by being
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  Speaker 4: being someone who is so inspiring that other people gravitate
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  Speaker 4: towards it. And that kind of leadership is happening all
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  Speaker 4: the time. With every person that exists in the world
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  Speaker 4: and in the world. And what I'm saying is, if
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  Speaker 4: you're listening to this, you are a leader. You might
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  Speaker 4: not think so, you know, when I talk to a
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  Speaker 4: group of people and I say, hey, who feels like
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  Speaker 4: they're a leader here, and like three people put up
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  Speaker 4: the hand out of twenty five or six people out
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  Speaker 4: of one hundred, we're leading all the time. And what
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  Speaker 4: you just mentioned about those small acts of kindness, that
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  Speaker 4: word that you might have not bothered to give but
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  Speaker 4: might actually save someone's life. Can we are we willing
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  Speaker 4: to become accustomed to that being the way we live
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  Speaker 4: because everybody's watching you all the time. When you give
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  Speaker 4: the change to the cashier, or when you talk to
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  Speaker 4: the taxi driver, or when you see someone waiting to
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  Speaker 4: cross the road who might need support. These are all
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  Speaker 4: opportunities for us to redescribe what normal is. But in
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  Speaker 4: this Western world, especially, we forget all of that right
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  Speaker 4: because we're in a hurry to get to where we
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  Speaker 4: need to go, and we forget about the kindness. We
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  Speaker 4: listen to those sixty thousand thoughts a day that the
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  Speaker 4: Buddhists say that we have, and they're very repetitive. You know,
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  Speaker 4: really we're only thinking about ten things, just with different
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  Speaker 4: little stories we're telling ourselves. So it can bring it
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  Speaker 4: back to the breath. The power of that conscious connected
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  Speaker 4: breath is that physiologically scientifically, what it's doing is it's
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  Speaker 4: increasing oxygen flow in our bloodstream, but it's actually slowing
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  Speaker 4: down the oxygen flow to our prefrontal cortex. So our
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  Speaker 4: whole method of reasoning, our normal thought processes actually slow down.
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  Speaker 4: And then we get to ask ourselves, well, what else
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  Speaker 4: might I become aware of if I don't think so fast,
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  Speaker 4: or if I don't think so much? What else? What
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  Speaker 4: other kinds of awareness do I have other than thinking?
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  Speaker 4: What is it that might exist in between thought and
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  Speaker 4: those gaps What is it that's going on in those
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  Speaker 4: gaps between? We'll never find out because we fill them
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  Speaker 4: all the time. So this act of consciously choosing to breathe,
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  Speaker 4: to slow down the way we rationalize and through life,
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  Speaker 4: and to slow down the stories that we tell ourselves
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  Speaker 4: for being the way we are and saying the things
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  Speaker 4: we do, there's a possibility for something new to happen.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the pivotal power of breath. And I've seen
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  Speaker 4: some extraordinary shifts in twenty minutes thirty minutes, life's changed.
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  Speaker 4: It actually happened in a water breathe we were doing
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  Speaker 4: on Wednesday. I was sitting giving a private session to
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  Speaker 4: a lady who's seventy five years old. She's a brilliant woman,
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  Speaker 4: she's a filmmaker, She's done a lot of good for
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  Speaker 4: the world. She's lived in a conscious community for many years.
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  Speaker 4: And she said, you know the way I was held
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  Speaker 4: in the water while I was breathing, I've waited for
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  Speaker 4: that for over seventy years. My parents didn't give me that.
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  Speaker 4: My family didn't give me that. Something has happened that's
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  Speaker 4: explained my whole life to me. I'm covered in goosebumps
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  Speaker 4: as I say this because it was so moving to
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  Speaker 4: hear that this woman can die in peace. Now something's
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  Speaker 4: been put back, that was taken away, and she's already
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  Speaker 4: doing good work in the world. But now every person
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  Speaker 4: she meets is going to get the benefit of the
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  Speaker 4: risk that she took to take a few breaths, let
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  Speaker 4: herself be held in the water and opened her mind
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  Speaker 4: to something that the brain probably wouldn't have allowed her
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  Speaker 4: to access otherwise. So this is the power of bread.
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  Speaker 4: And this is an example of breath and water for example.
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  Speaker 4: But this is the power of the breath. This is
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  Speaker 4: how it can change. And you know, when you're seventy
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  Speaker 4: four years old, you're pretty rigid. You know, you're pretty
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  Speaker 4: in your groove, you've got your cycles, you've got your
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  Speaker 4: repetitive behavior. But the breath can even even change that.
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  Speaker 4: In just twenty five minutes, she was in the water.
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  Speaker 2: So, Anthony, you mentioned earlier this came to at a
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  Speaker 2: young age. I kind of like these profound sort of stories.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tell us a bit more about how it
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: came to be?
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I was at boarding school. I was
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: a boarding school at seven years old, and my parents
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: were determined to offer me the things that they couldn't have.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: So I was very privileged in that sense, and I
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: hated it. I couldn't stand being away from my family.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I was miserable. I cried myself to sleep every night.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: It was just it was just the wrong place. I
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: wasn't meant to be there. But when I was eight
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: and being half Italian, you know, and this is in
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: like the early sixties, you didn't guarantee you popularity. I
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: got called all kinds of names like Greece, Watton, Spaghetti
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: and all those things, but not kindly. It was a
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: nasty environment in an upper class British boarding school, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I was just just miserable. And then one guy came
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: up to me one day with a paperbag and he said,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: breathe into this twenty times, twenty big breaths. So I
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: took twenty big breaths, and then he squeezed me from
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: behind and squeezed my chest and said, now do one
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: big exhale. So I let out an exhale, and then
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: he put me down to the ground. And honestly, I
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: took that risk with this kid because I wanted to
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: be liked, you know. I thought, oh God, someone's going
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: to be nice to me. What happened when I laid
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: on the ground was that I saw God. I know
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: it might sound ridiculous, but I think the closest way
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: of describing it would be how report nd and near
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: death experience. I was so struck by the complexity, by
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: the beauty, by the hugeness, by the magnificence, by God,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: by Spirit, that when I look back at this miserable
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: life that I was living, it seemed like minuscule in
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: comparison to the vastness and the magnificence that I was
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: being blessed with in that moment, and it changed my life.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: And you know, from then on, the breath to me
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: became a holy experience. And you know, i'd I went
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: through a Church of England school and then I got
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: married in the Catholic Church, and I took instruction in
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: order to be married, and so I went through all
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: these formal different I've explored Buddhism, I've explored Hinduism, I've
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: explored not as much but Islam. But it's my work
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: right because I think I'm called sbno spiritual but not
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: religious as enough. But I think there's value in all
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: of them. But my experience as a child was that
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: the dogma that was being imposed upon me is not
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: not dissimilar than the dogma that's being imposed upon us now,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: you know, in the world. So it just seemed like
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: ridiculously small. This is you know, God is bigger than
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: one religion. And so I think that's when my spiritual
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: opening happened when I was that young. And there were
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: times that I really tried to forsake it and push
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: it away because I was a misfit, you know, and
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: it's not easy being a misfit. But now I'm really grateful.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I'm grateful for the schooling. I'm grateful it's helped me
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: become a good communicator. I'm grateful for the suffering, and
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I'm grateful for the breath because, my gosh, it saved
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: my life so many times.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, the I think religion, organized religion just seems to
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: be set up to keep people from from the truth.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Was it say it? Isn't it the opening of Genesis
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: it says in the beginning that there was the Word,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and the Word was God, the Word was good. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: what is the word? It's breath. Isn't it the over
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the voice box? So yeah, it's it's it's frequency and vibration.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, exactly.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: So I'm fascinating. Obviously, we're going to come on and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: talk about the different techniques and what do they achieve
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: or perhaps what are they cure. But a question comes
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to mind. I think it's quite fascinating. What sort of
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: people are coming to see to see you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I think mostly people who are really ready for change,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: people who have understood the majority of people who have
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: understood that this isn't it. And if I keep believing
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: this is it, I'm going to be in regret the
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: older I get. And that change might be catalyzed by
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: some kind of crisis or a death or a loss
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: in the family, or it could just be a big depression,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: high anxiety, things are not working in life, suicidal ideation, addiction,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: all traumatic conditions. And then now, because this is kind
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: of fun for me as I come to this part
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: of my hero's journey because I was I was born
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: into you know, I When I left school, I went
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: into the corporate world, and it's not a miserable existence.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: But now I'm fortunate enough to be able to be
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: working with a lot of CEOs and founder CEOs and
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: going to America next week to speak at a very
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: big human resources conference. And what I love about the
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: you know that saying toe in the door or foot
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: in the door. What I love about the breath is
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: that you could take it anywhere. You know, right now
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: at Alchemy, we're taking it into the police force and
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: the hospitals, into prisons and corporate. For me is the
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: kind of the big Kahuna, because if we can get
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: breathwork into the corporate space, the quality of leadership is
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: going to shift, and people won't even realize that they're
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: doing it. In a way, it's so valuable in any
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: environment where the team is going to make the dream.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: It helps people communicate. It helps marriages become richer and
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: deeper and more sustainable, any relationship. If you breathe together,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: you will accomplish a state of clarity and care and
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: compassion that we don't give ourselves the chance to experience
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: in normal life. We don't have time for it. You know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: when you're passing by that fellow who's sitting in his
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: own urine with a blanket on him and a little
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: paper cup, you know, that's a turn off in our
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: normal mindset, Like, I've got to stay away from that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: I might get contaminating it. That's not how the world works,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: you know, it's not. Why is it that it becomes
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: more and more important for us to go into nature
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: because nature is really the only thing left that does work,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: and everything else is a compromise. Everything that humans have
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: touched is getting ruined. We're the worst part of the
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: whole food chain. So this is forgivable, don't get me wrong.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: And I and I and I think the most important
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: thing that we can do to reclaim our agency, in
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: other words, our empowerment in this shit show that we're in,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: is to take one breath. In fact, you could say
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: the definition of emotional intelligence is the ability to take
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: one breath when you don't want to. And that's where
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: it all begins. That's where you were making a choice
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: in a very choiceless environment, and the act of making
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: that choice is what can change everything. So that's how
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: significant one breath can be. Because even you know, like
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: so you're in that argument, you're in that escalating situation,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: and you're feeling the adrenaline come up. And let's remember
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: it takes just a second for adrenaline to come up,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: but it takes a long while for it to come
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: back down again. So when you feel that escalation and
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: that tingling, that tension in your belly or whatever it is,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: and you're no longer listening to that person, you're just
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: thinking about what you're going to get them back with,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: and you know that it's just going to make it worse.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Ever been there, you know it's not going to help.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: But by George, I'm going to be righteous and say
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: it anyway, because I want to be right. That's the
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: time to take breath and just consider. Maybe you need
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: another ten breaths, and just consider and be with that
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: physical experience that you're having. Be in your body, because
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: your body's sending you messages that your brain is not
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: listening to. So wake up, use that breath for your
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: own awakening, and keep waking up with each chosen breath
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: that you make. And as you do that as a
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: practice in your life, then you become equipped. You become robust,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: you become become resilient, and you develop equanimity. You develop
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: the ability to be in the witness in any given situation.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: And that means before you join in, before you join
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: the fray, and before you slip into becoming a part
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: of the problem, you can make a conscious choice about
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: what would a solution look like and how could I
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: best serve.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: That incredible and So something that comes to mind there
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: is when you embrace practices like this, I think it
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: hones your ethical choices in your outlook on life. I
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: don't I don't envisage Donald Trump doing breath work in
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the morning. I might be wrong, but I would imagine
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: this is a It's part of a very special journey
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: when you do breath work, because you realize the importance
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of investing in your in yourself in a way that's
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: outside of the mainstream unfortunate. It's also hard then to
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: go and commit an environmental crime, isn't it, Or to
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: be horrible to someone on the internet, or to go
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and steal or make a decision at work that you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: know is going to destroy you know, a community or something.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean, the breath is
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: a tool, so yeah, a knife is a tool and
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: a screwdrivers at all, and a breath is a to all.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: It just happens to be divinely provided you know, it's
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: referred to forty three times in the Bible as a
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: supernatural force. It's mentioned in the Qur'an and in the
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Kabala as well, and always as a supernatural force. That's
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: how Mohammed got born because of the breath upon his
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: mother's chest. So for those of us that were raised
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: in England with the Church of England or a Catholic culture,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: it makes one wonder what immaculate conception really was if
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: the Muslims see that as the immaculate conception of Muhammad.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: So yes, this is a serious subject. You know that
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I'm an evangelist. I mean, I can talk for hours
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: about this, but that choice is available right now.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, and Anthony, I just want to ask you something.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: This is more of a personal thing. But I go
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: through very different phases in weight. Primarily I love running,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and I do. I get a sort of satisfaction really
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: from being fifty five years old and being a better
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: runner at fifty five than I was a nineteen year
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: old commando. I think that's something. It's not about being
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: pride or eagle or anything like that. I just I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: like to go out and run and I listen to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: music and it's great. And when I get back, I've
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: put the sauna on, so it's already for when I
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: get back, and I go and sit in the sauna
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and I listen to some house music and or I
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: listen to some sort of script you know, some interpretation
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: of scripture or something that you know. It is me
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: time is what trying. But sometimes I'm sat there on
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: my sauna bench. I think Chris Breeve brief. Now here's
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: the thing. It physically feels so much better to breathe
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: when I've lost two stone in weight, which I can
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: do in in six weeks. I can you know. I've
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: been known to drink a few beers and eat a
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: few pizzas and really let my spiritual battle drift. I
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: was in a rowing boat, for example, for fifty days,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and we just ate dehydrated rubbish and washed it down
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: with some rum and coke when we got to Barbados there.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So what I'm getting at is I like, I mean,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I'm ten and a half stone now, so I'm not
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: really far off the weight I was when I was
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: nineteen years old, and it feels better to breathe now.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And I wondered if this is a thing that people
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: recognize or that just me.
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, it's a great way to lose weight,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: to breathe consciously, and it's also I think the more
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: in shape you are, the more you're going to appreciate it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: And it's also the most the most toxins are excreted
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: through from your body through your breath. So I think
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: those three things are the three legs of the table
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: physiologically that yeah, they support the platform upon which we
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: can then take off from to find out more things,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: to inquire about more things. But I think your experience
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: of especially you've been for a run, you're in the sauna,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: you're taking that breath, and gosh, how can it not
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: be a breath of gratitude after you've celebrated life that way.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: You're dancing with life out there as you run. You're
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: fifty five years old, you've you've lost weight, you're in
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: your in the sauna, you're in your spiritual groove. You're
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: playing with the dance. You're dancing with life. Your dance
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: partner is life itself. And actually, you know, when you're breathing,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: your dance partner is the divine? So how can it
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: not feel good? Yes?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely? And I can't emphasize enough to people. I used
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to be chronically un healthy, unwell, and this was as
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a member of the elite Armed forces. I would get
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: ill typically three times a year. I'd have two colds
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: a year, and of course, back then we blame that
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: on other people have made it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: And then I.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Get some form of severe flu or glandular fever or
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, And long story short, I met
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a fantastic doctor called Dr Robert Young, and I also
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: got hooked up with one of his prodiges. He put
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: my blood on a electric microscope and physically showed me
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: on a big TV screen what was going on in
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: my blood. And he pointed to this big, white, fluffy
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: thing that drifted past like a sort of you know, alien,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and he said, ah, what did you have to eat
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: last night? I was a support worker at the time
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: in learning disabilities and I was at a client's house
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and I just wolfed down a bowl of the clients shreddies,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: you know, horrible refined carbohydrate, salty sugar snack with dairy
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: on top of it. And he said, yep, that'll do it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: He said, that's acid, Chris. That what you're just seeing?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: That you and anyway, it was revolutionary to me, as
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: it probably is to people listening. I had never heard
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: of this concept that our fragile cells have a pH
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: balance and that if we muck around with it, we're
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: heading for ill health. And because I never knew that
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: my life, this is why I kept getting ill. My
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: dietary choices were abysmal. I was living on sugar. Basically
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: carbohydrate turned to glucose in my blood. My cells were saying, look,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I can't take any more of this, this acid, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: this is why I keep making you ill Chris to
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: kind of de detoxit. And so I'm fortunate I haven't
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: been ill for twenty three years now, which is why
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I chuckle is the right word. But during the recent nonsense,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they're not telling you the true folks. I'm sorry,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: they're just not telling you. Now. Oxygenating the blood, I
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: believe is a good way to alcalize yourself.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: It is. Yeah, yeah, you'll raise your alkaline level, and
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: of course it's aerobic, so you're you're discouraging the nasty
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: pathogens as you as you do it, as you oxygenate.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: And then you know, I spoke earlier about the oxygen
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: increasing in the bloodstream but actually decreasing in the frontal lobe.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: But there are ways then with breath tricks like breath holding,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: that you take the oxygen boost in your bloodstream and
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: you and then you can export it into the frontal
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: lobe as well, so it can be used for more
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: processing power, not just slowing down our processing power. And you,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: as a runner and an athlete, you, I'm sure are
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: familiar with high altitude training and the importance of underbreathing too.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: It's not all about the more I do it. The
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: better it gets. There are times, especially when you're exerting
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: physical energy and to maintain stamina, that you should breathe
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: through the nose and learn to breathe with a little
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: less breadth than you need, which is also very useful
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: as a practice for people who have asthma to just
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: breathe up to thirty or forty percent of your capacity,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: and for minutes to breathe in that range from zero
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: to forty percent. And what you're doing, essentially is learning
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: to make do, but you're also learning that you can
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: do it, and therefore it doesn't become threatening. So the
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: whole other part of the nervous system that gets stressed
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: and contracts when you feel in that smirtack coming on
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: doesn't kick into gear so readily because you have a
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: practice in place. And I think all of these things
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: because a lot of people say, Oko, what should I
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: do if I'm anxious? Or what should I do if
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I'm depressed? And there is a breath for each of
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: these things that we can use. But the best time
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: to put these practices into place is when you don't
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: have the symptom that you want to reverse engineer. Because
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I've said a lot there, but the breath is something
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: that we can use to reverse engineer the condition that
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: we're experiencing psychosmatically or in the nervous system. So that
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: means that if I'm anxious, I'm normally breathing a short breath.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: And you've noticed also when you're anxious, that your range
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: of options diminishes, right, You've become more and more myopic,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: until if you're in high anxiety or panic, you can't
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: even do anything. You just you're just in that moment
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: of disaster. So you might know intellectually that it's important
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: to breathe, but you just can't muster up. You don't
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: have a practice in place. If you learn how to
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: breathe a calming breath before you need it, it will
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: be your default that you go to. So I know
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: you you said you spent time on a boat. I'm
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: a yacht master, and I have lived on a sailing
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: boat for many years. I don't anymore. But so much
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: can go wrong on a boat. You know, it's moving
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: all the time, You've got passengers or people on with you.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of responsibilities for a
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: skipper on a boat. If a square comes or you
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: hit a rock or the sail brakes, or you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: there are so many different things that can go wrong.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: We're taught to go like a first responder or a
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: fireperson would. We're taught to go through a sequence of
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: events if a disaster happens, and we adapt the sequence
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: according to what the disaster is, and we practice it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: We practice it, We practice it. So when it happens
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: when the anchor slips and you're heading for the rocks
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: in a forty mile an hour wind, you know you
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: have a sequence of events, so you don't go into panic.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: You just follow your sequence. And it's the same thing
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: with our breath. The more we develop our breath practices
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  Speaker 4: now when we need to call upon them, they will
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: be there for us. So what I'm saying is make
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: breath your best friend, because it's the fuel you need
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: to do anything, but you can do it a lot
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: better when you use it consciously. And that's from an
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: being an athlete, to learning how to calm down, learning
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: how to get excited and empowered and more punchy to
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: make love. All of these things are informed by the breath.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Communication skills, public speaking, management skills, team building skills, everything,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: wife husband skills. They all can be improved with conscious breathing.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Antie can we Obviously I'd encourage people to get in
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: contact with you to find out more about your retreat,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: which sounds fascinating and great fun and enlightening, and also
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: to read your book. I've just been showing it on
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: my other screen over there. There we are folks out
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: of Chaos in a Calm. That's just such a great
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: cover and such a great title. Are you able, though,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: without obviously giving everything away, just could you outline some
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: types of breath all the main groups of work that
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  Speaker 2: you do or encourage people to employ.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, to give them away. That's the breath
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: isn't mine. I'm just borrowing it. We're all borrowing it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: We always have to give it back, So I'm not proprietal.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: I haven't named a breathwork the Anthony method. I'm not
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: interested in that. Yeah, here are some, I think Here's
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: breath one oh one. Notice how you're breathing in any
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: given moment. Start to keep mental notes or written notes
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: about a breath pattern you have when you first wake
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: up in the morning, or when you're making love, or
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: when you're in the supermarket queue. And there's an old
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: man in front of you who's fiddling with three penny
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: pieces and taking his time, and you're late for an appointment.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: How are you breathing? How are you breathing when you're
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: driving on the motorway a little too fast? How are
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: you breathing when you're driving at a safe speed. How
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: are you breathing when you're angry? How are you breathing
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: when you're sad? Just start to create a catalogue of
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: how you're breathing in circumstances, and all of these breath
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: styles actually become the key that you can employ if
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: you want to recreate that condition. So I think one
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: perhaps pertinent thing that seems to be going on in
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: the world is a sexual thing. And I think I'm
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: just going to take the risk and say it for
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: people who have difficulty with premature ejaculation, for example, or
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: if you want to if you're a man or a
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: woman and you want to make an orgasmic experience more
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: of a whole body experience, indeed, more of a spiritual
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: experience than just you know, loin lust or friction fancy,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: we'll call it. Use your breath. Breathe a slow, calm
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: breath as you feel any rise in the crescendo, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: you will have command over how that crescendo does develop.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: If you're able to breathe, actually, even during an orgasm,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: that's an static place to be. It's a challenge because
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: there's a natural contraction with an orgasm. But likewise, if
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: you cry, if you're crying, you'll notice that when we
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: sob we're like we do that. I encourage you to
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: learn to breathe a level of steady breath into that
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: emotion that you're feeling, because there's almost an orgasmic experience
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: in that as well, being with the emotion, that strength
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: of emotion and maintaining your breath at the same time.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: And what happens. What happens is that you can feel
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: the emotion fully, but you can also witness it at
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: the same time. And that's really the central part of
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: our teachings at Alchemy, and really what the book is
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: about is about learning to transform this outer mess into
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: a center point, into a still point inside that then
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: turns things aroun so instead of being affected by the
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: world around you, you actually begin to affect the world
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: around you. And so the book is an invitation into
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: an inner journey. You could call it your inner workout,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: if you will, which is about understanding where you've come
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: from and the conditions that have made you who you are,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: but regaining some choices that you lost along the way
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: and saying, well, yeah, I want to change that, but
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I've never been able to. I want to stop smoking,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: I want to lose weight, I want to stop my addiction.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I want to grow into a better father or a parent,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: or a husband or a wife. This journey that we
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: go on is about building that ability building agency. Now,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: my big picture here is ten to the power of nine.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: That's my motto, and what that means is if I
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: can get ten of you to uplift your consciousness, and
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: you're inspired enough to get ten other people to do
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: that each of you, and you can inspire them enough
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: to do it again. And if we do that nine times,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: we've reached one billion people. When we've reached one billion people,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: we can create a different conversation that I mentioned earlier on.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: We can go to a big farmer and say, hey,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: we've got two hundred and fifty million people that have
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: a chronic illness, but they don't want to pay six
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: grand a month for their medicine. You know, we're interested
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: in taking bids so we can create a new conversation
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: where big Farmer can move forward and say, yeah, I
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: want your business. I'm going to ensure you for alternative therapies,
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: not just medications. You know, we can actually begin to
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: create changes in the world because we become powerful enough
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: and influence that we can say what the conversation should be.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: We don't have to join other peoples anymore. And that's
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: really what this book is about, is supporting you becoming
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: an agent of change in this mess that we live in.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: And the way you're going to become an agent of
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: change is by creating your own agency, by becoming a
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: creative being, one that can make choices. And it all
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: starts with one breath. That one breath is how it begins.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: So we should mention Anthony wim Half or is that
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: something you're fed up with hearing about?
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: No, not at all.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: No.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: I love what he does. I love what he does.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: I'm friends with his daughter. I don't know him very well,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: but I think he's a great man. He's helped a
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: lot of people. I wouldn't brand like I said, I
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: wouldn't brand a breath under my own name, But I
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: think that's part of his charm, is his brazen, brazen
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: approach to life that kind of really clears out the cobwebs,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: and so I have great admiration for him. The wim
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: half method is one style of breath. Actually, it's an
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: ancient style of breath that he's called the wim half method.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: It's an ancient Tibetan style of breath, but it's a
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: very empowering breath, and it's the kind of breath you
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: want to use if you need to meet resistance, if
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: you're going to if you're going to take in a
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: approach of beating resistance with persistence, the wim half breath
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: is a fantastic breath to use. You know. In my book,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I look at resistance and I don't think that resistance
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: is always something to be beaten. Sometimes resistance is something
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: to be alchemized, something that we can consider as a friend,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: not just as an enemy. It helps us stopping putting
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: our hands into the fire, you know, if there's a fire,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: So let's not throt the throwout the benefits with with
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: just because we're a little bit scared of the negative aspects.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: But wim half is a is a He's got millions
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: of people breathing. So any one of my colleagues that
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: have done that, I'm like right there with them, do it,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: go for it. Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: They could call it the Instagram method.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's you know what,
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: It's got a lot of people who would have thought
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: only sissies breathe breathing, And I train a lot of
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: people that have been come trainers in the Hoff method.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: I'm very grateful to I. He keeps sending me people
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: that want to study with me because they want to
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: go deeper. It's because it's the work I do is
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: more about the inner journey. So be watchful in the
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: breath work world. There's a lot of junk out there.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of cheap work that's about peak experience
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: and you know, get high, and we do you can
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: get high using your breath. But really, to me, the
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: question is what about uplifting your whole life, not just
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: the times that you sit down and breathe. So what
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: is it that you're doing in between your breath sessions
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: that you can gather data, wisdom, divine guidance from your
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: breath work session? How can you actually make it work
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: in your life, and then that's how we're really going
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: to make some big changes here.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the air of Fit?
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Is that the one, not the brand? But I'm familiar
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: with the concept where you can dial in your exhale
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: and yeah, yeah, I think it's great. Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I was actually got sponsored this along time ago for
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: one of my charity challenges for friends at home. You
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: can set the resistance on it for breathing in and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: breathing out. You don't use it when you're exercising. You
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: do it more of a sort of I don't know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: a yogic like practice, and it's supposed to increase your
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: lung strength and capacity, Anthony, would that be yeah?
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: It does? Yeah, yeah, and you know that would also
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: be a very useful tool for anxiety, building resilience around
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: anxiety too.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, how would that help with anxiety? Because I'd imagine
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: probably a lot of people listening would like to know
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: more about that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean there is Actually I have a
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: self paced course on anxiety which has just been going
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: for about eight years and thousands of people have used it.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: The main essence of that course is that you need
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: to learn to extend your exhale, and again it's better
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: practiced outside of the context of anxiety. So if you
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: do it for three minutes every morning, three minutes every
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: evening before you go to sleep, and after about two
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: or three weeks, it becomes a natural and natural way
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: that you would greet any rise in tension at all.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: But the essence is to breathe into account of four
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: through your nose and then start with a count of
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: eight on your exhale and then keep extending, so I
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: would now I know, exhale for about fifty or fifty
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: five seconds and then come to another inhale. But you
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: really only have to get it up to twelve or fifteen,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: and already it's having a big effect on you. Actually,
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: the trick here is the fact that you're deciding to
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: do it is fifty percent of the work. So that's
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: really the secret. If you're going to make the choice
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: to do it, you're making a choice from a choiceless place,
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: so you're already beginning the shift yourself. Again, it starts
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: with that one breath. It all comes down to taking
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: that breath when you don't want to.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: And is it your uncle Nikola, I've mentioned in your
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: in your documentation. Was a great philosopher.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: He was, he was, he was. He was not just
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: a great philosophy he was a great man. He was
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: a great patriarch and a great a beautiful man, very
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: gentle soul, and he was in fact, all the universities
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: in Italy that teach philosophy they use his books for
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: their curriculum. And yeah, he's my great uncle. I never
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: knew how much he'd informed me, but it definitely is
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: a part of my work. I think to bridge between
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: philosophy and spirituality and psychology is my dream to see
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: how all of these three can help each other. And
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: I've seen in the past how they've all been a
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: bit separate and even competitive with each other. But to
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: join them together, I think is really where the juices.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: And what's his surname, Anthony?
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: You'll find it on that. He's not on LinkedIn because
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: he died a few years ago, but you'll find him
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: on Wikipedia for sure.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, there we go. It's coming up up straight away. Yes, late, amazing, Anthony.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on the show. Is
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: there anything you'd like to add that maybe I've overlooked?
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if any of you are interested to try breath Work.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Please join us on Sundays. We do breath work on
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: UK time at nine point thirty and at five pm,
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: and it's online. I was the first person to bring
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: breath work online and I think it's what's really made
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: it available to millions of people, and our staff facilitators
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: come and do it, and every once in a while
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: I do one as well, and we theme it all
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: on parts of the human journey. In the journey so
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: you'll find it supportive. It's a half hour experience with
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: about another fifteen minutes fifty minutes before intro and fifteen
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: minutes outro. You get to breathe with other people. You'll
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: get to understand that maybe some of the problems you
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: face are not yours alone, and you'll get a whole
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: lot of support. So there are several hundred that breathe
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: every Sunday. Please join us. And I think my request
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: is that I don't know how many people are going
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: to download or listen to this podcast, but if each
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: one of you would commit to a random act of
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: kindness today or even this week, for the whole week,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: every day, that's going to make a huge wave of change.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: So that's what my ask would be as a result
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: of being with you today.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I'll back that up, Anthony, thanks so much
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: for coming on the show. I hope that we can
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: keep in touch.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Well, actually saying that's too random acts of kindness. That's
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: one for me and one for you. So that's where
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: the balloons come.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. Yes, they looked amazing by the way, Yes,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: so what was I going to say? Yes, I hope
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: we can keep in touch, and thank you for everything
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: that you're doing. As I said, I was showing your book.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: I think everyone will be intrigued to read it now
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: and find out more. We'll put your social media links
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: and your website and everything below this video so people
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: can find you. And yes, thank you very much. Again,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: stay on the line, Anti, just so I can thank
• 55:28
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• 55:31
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