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Speaker 1: Is the gold report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight a former Israeli intelligence officer on how Israel tricked
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Speaker 2: the Iran plus policing the victims. Please tell Jews to
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Speaker 2: get out of the way because Israel haters might attack them.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, the Abenezi government suddenly works out this economy
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Speaker 2: is in more trouble than they said, and this is
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Speaker 2: safe to be a tourist. When locals in Europe last
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Speaker 2: Sunday showed this sick of the side of you. But first,
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Speaker 2: the strangest thing is going on in this war on Iran?
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Speaker 2: Does anyone actually know what America is doing? I mean,
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Speaker 2: for sure, Donald Trump is claiming victories and demanding surrenders,
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Speaker 2: But are American troops actually doing any of the fighting?
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Speaker 2: Has a single American soldier or pilot fire at a
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Speaker 2: single shop? In fact, was the US president even for
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Speaker 2: this war until it actually happened. Look, this is a
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Speaker 2: bizarre story, and I have a theory Israel was actually
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Speaker 2: so matcho that Trump just had to join them last second.
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Speaker 2: Five months ago, in his inauguration address, Trump promised to
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Speaker 2: stop all wars, not start one. Our power will stop
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Speaker 2: all wars. Yet now it's been stampede into not just
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Speaker 2: backing Israel's war in Iran, but joining it. It seems
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Speaker 2: Trump has moved two aircraft carrier groups and fighter jets
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Speaker 2: and perhaps thirty ear aware refueling tankers into position around Iran,
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Speaker 2: and has even threatened to kill Iran Supreme leader Ayatollah
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Speaker 2: Ali Kameni, posting this on truth social We know exactly
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Speaker 2: where his hiding. Is an easy target, but we're not
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Speaker 2: going to kill him, although typical Trump, at least not
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Speaker 2: for now. In fact, if anyone is going to kill
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Speaker 2: how many, it's going to be Israel. As Israel's de
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Speaker 2: Vincemin threatened yesterday, Trivia.
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Speaker 3: I came here to strengthen the residents of Herzlia and
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Speaker 3: to send a clear message to the dictator in Tehran.
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Speaker 3: Come any If you continue to commit acts of war
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Speaker 3: and launch missiles at the civilian population in Israel, your
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Speaker 3: fate will be exactly like that of the dictator in
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Speaker 3: the neighboring country to Iran, whose end is well known.
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Speaker 2: But if you believe Trump, America is fighting this war
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Speaker 2: finding it already. Trump even boasted we now have complete
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Speaker 2: and total control of the skies over Iran. He praised
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Speaker 2: the American equipment he said, nobody does it better than
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Speaker 2: the good old USA. But who is this we that
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Speaker 2: controls around z eospace? Now? I don't rule out the
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Speaker 2: US helping Israel with intelligence, maybe satellite imagery, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: But so far have seeing only Israel doing the fighting
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Speaker 2: and the flying and taking all the hits from Iran's missiles.
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Speaker 2: In fact, until last week, Trump seemed keen to stop
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Speaker 2: Israel attacking Iran, and just hours before it actually did
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Speaker 2: this is last Friday, he even posted, we remain committed
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Speaker 2: to a diplomatic resolution to the Iran nuclear issue. Although
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Speaker 2: I have heard the theories that this was just Trump
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Speaker 2: helping Israel to lull Iran into a false sense of security,
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Speaker 2: maybe whatever. An investigation by The New York Times now
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Speaker 2: confirms that Trump was dithering to the last. But then
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Speaker 2: Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Trump this attack was
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Speaker 2: going ahead with America or without it. You know, you'd
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Speaker 2: already had moss Out agents inside Iran, preparing targets, guarded munitions,
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Speaker 2: and the attack had to happen now, I mean, after all,
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Speaker 2: this was Israel's golden chance to destroy the Iranian nuclear
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Speaker 2: program that threatened to destroy Israel itself. Because of other
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Speaker 2: factors too, it had to go. I mean, the United
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Speaker 2: Nations International Atomic Energy energ Agency had just last Thursday
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Speaker 2: accused the Iran of secretly enriching enough uranium for nine
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Speaker 2: nuclear bombs. This was a great excuse then. Plus, of course,
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Speaker 2: the Iran's air defenses had been badly hit, but passed
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Speaker 2: exchanges with Israel made it easier for Israeli jets. So
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Speaker 2: this was the moment. So Trump had two choices, either
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Speaker 2: be a bystander as Israel changed the Middle East, or
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Speaker 2: back Israel and be a playmaker in on the deal.
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Speaker 2: You know how van Trump is, how he likes to
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Speaker 2: be the maker of history. He backed Israel. It was
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Speaker 2: a no brainer. And what's more, right from the start
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Speaker 2: of this war, he was even claiming credit, posting how
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Speaker 2: Iran had ignored his deadline for a deal to get
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Speaker 2: rid of its nuclear program, and how people should immediately
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Speaker 2: evacuates Tehran, Iran's capital, and this morning he demanded unconditional
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Speaker 2: surrender from Iran. All this and more, when as far
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Speaker 2: as we can tell, his military still hasn't dropped the
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Speaker 2: bomb or fire a missile. It's still just threats and
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Speaker 2: bluster from Trump, Although from Israel point of view, of course,
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Speaker 2: that's still extremely useful putting the frighteners on Iran like this,
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Speaker 2: as long as Trump remembers who's actually doing the fighting
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Speaker 2: and who will decide when it stops. Now, there is
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Speaker 2: one other thing, conspiracy theory time. Trump's critics now from
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Speaker 2: the far right of the Republican Party, not just Democrats.
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Speaker 2: This ain't way at a minute. Is this another weapons
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Speaker 2: of mass destruction story? And other Middle Eastern wars started
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Speaker 2: on faulty intelligence because three months ago Tulsey Gabbat, Trump's
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Speaker 2: director of National Intelligence, said there was no evidence he
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Speaker 2: I was selectively building a nuclear bomb, as there israund
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Speaker 2: our claims.
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Speaker 4: The ICY continues to assess that Iran is not building
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Speaker 4: a nuclear weapon, and Supreme leader Kameni has not authorized
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Speaker 4: the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in two thousand
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Speaker 4: and three. The ICY continues to monitor closely if Tehran
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Speaker 4: decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program.
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Speaker 2: But Trump yesterday said, oh, what does she know? Through
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Speaker 2: Gabbard under a bus.
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Speaker 5: The intelligence community said Iran was building a nuclear moment.
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Speaker 2: What she said, I think of a wordless to have
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Speaker 2: it now. Gabbado has also been accused in the past
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Speaker 2: of being too close to Iran, was even excluded from
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Speaker 2: Trump's meeting yesterday as top security officials in the White
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Speaker 2: House Situation Room to discuss this war extraordinary. But to
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Speaker 2: those smelling here a wag the dog conspiracy, two things. First,
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Speaker 2: Israel's intelligence on what is going on in Iran. It's
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Speaker 2: clearly sensational, probably best in the world. I mean, look
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Speaker 2: how it's just wiped out about every senior military and
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Speaker 2: nuclear and intelligence official of this terrorist regime. And secondly,
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Speaker 2: what the people who post that clip I showed you
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Speaker 2: of Gabbard leave out is what She then went on
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Speaker 2: to say that, on the other hand, Iran was enriching
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Speaker 2: a lot of uranium for clearly military purposes.
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Speaker 4: In the past year, we've seen an erosion of a
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Speaker 4: decade's long taboo in Iran on discussing nuclear weapons in public,
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Speaker 4: likely emboldening nuclear weapons advocates with an Iran's decision making apparatus.
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Speaker 4: Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and
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Speaker 4: is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 2: So no, I don't think that Donald Trump was tricked
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Speaker 2: into an unjust war, but I do think Israel exploited
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Speaker 2: his vanity and forced him to back a war he
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Speaker 2: didn't really want and isn't really fighting and not yet.
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Speaker 2: But what he'll do next, well, that's still the mystery. Now,
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Speaker 2: we've talked earlier this week about standards at our universities,
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Speaker 2: and I'll give you an incredible example on this issue. Actually,
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Speaker 2: Scott Burchill here's a senior lecturer in international relations at
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Speaker 2: Dicon University and has recorded a podcast with Joel Jenkins.
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Speaker 2: Someone have followed from the hard left. Now. Burchill recorded
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Speaker 2: this the day before Israel attacked Iran, decapitating almost all
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Speaker 2: its top military and nuclear leaders in one day, intelligence
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Speaker 2: leaders too, and smashing some of Iran's nuclear weapon sites.
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Speaker 2: Now that feat must have astonished this. Scott Burchill is
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Speaker 2: one of those academics free palatine sticker behind him, because
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Speaker 2: it claimed the day before that Israel's army was actually
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Speaker 2: just a bunch of stumblebums.
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Speaker 6: Israel's technology is is exaggerated in its capacity, just as
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Speaker 6: Mossad's capacity is exaggerated, and significantly, its military is.
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Speaker 7: The prowess of its military is grossly exaggerated. You know,
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Speaker 7: I don't want to disparage our South Pacific friends. But
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Speaker 7: they put the Israeli military in the same category as
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Speaker 7: the Fijian military in terms of their skill level.
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Speaker 2: In fact, let me tell you how Israel, this Fiji
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Speaker 2: of the Middle East, actually fooled Iran into letting down
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Speaker 2: its guard lass Friday and so thinking there'd be no attack,
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Speaker 2: certainly not for days. Israel's Prime Minister announced that he'd
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Speaker 2: actually be the Sun's wedding that weekend last weekend Upper Galilee,
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Speaker 2: he posts for pictures, and his strategic affairs minister and
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Speaker 2: the head of Mossad, the spy agency. They said they'd
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Speaker 2: be going to Washington this week to negotiate with Trump's
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Speaker 2: Special envoy over a nuclear deal with Iran. Just relax. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: moss and agents were actually inside Iran, identifying targets and
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Speaker 2: reportedly using precision guided weapons that were prepositioned to blow
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Speaker 2: up anti aircraft and other Iranian defenses. And now Iran's
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Speaker 2: regime just about looks finished. Good effort from Fijians, I'd say, right, Scott.
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Speaker 2: But to my guest, great guest, Mary Iisen worked in
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Speaker 2: intelligence in the Israeli Defense Force. She retired as a
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Speaker 2: colonel and later worked as a press secretary to Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Edward Olmeatt. She is now a senior fellow at
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Speaker 2: the International Institute for Counterterrorism at Ruckman University. I've been there. Actually,
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Speaker 2: it's hugely impressive. Mary Arsen, thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time. Look, probably the most incredible thing about this
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Speaker 2: Israeli attack is that Israel managed to kill at least
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Speaker 2: thirty of Iran's top military, intelligence and nuclear weapons leaders.
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Speaker 2: And in fact, just yesterday it killed Iran's top general,
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Speaker 2: just four days after he took over from the general
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Speaker 2: that Israel killed in its first strike. This tells me
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Speaker 2: that you have outstanding intelligence assets inside Iran, including many Iranians.
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure about the Iranians, but most definitely a
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Speaker 8: lot of assets. Let's talk about just Friday, June thirteenth,
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Speaker 8: in the morning, that early morning attack. You have to
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Speaker 8: know where thirty different people are. You want to attack
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Speaker 8: them all simultaneously, so you have to know that they're
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Speaker 8: there at that moment. But add into it, we did
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Speaker 8: not only attack those different decision makers, those different commanders
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Speaker 8: of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard of the nuclear weapon capability.
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Speaker 8: We also simultaneously attacked in that initial strike air defense
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Speaker 8: systems to achieve air superiority. We attacked the missiles that
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Speaker 8: we were worried would immediately attack Israel. We attacked nuclear sites,
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Speaker 8: so we did all of this simultaneously in that first strike.
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Speaker 8: Will say that ever since, we've continued to show the
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Speaker 8: exact targeting because we continue to attack both the decision makers.
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Speaker 8: When I say decision makers, not politicians, not that the
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Speaker 8: regime is exactly politicians. We're attacking Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the air,
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Speaker 8: the space, the drone, the missiles. We're attacking the ones
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Speaker 8: who are in command there and right now are dead.
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Speaker 8: And we're attacking missile sites, construction sites, nuclear sites, air defense.
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Speaker 8: So yes, immense capability to gather information on the spot,
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Speaker 8: on the ground and from far away.
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Speaker 2: Well, if there aren't many Iranians working with MOSSA and
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Speaker 2: helping them, have to say, someone should tell the Iranians
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Speaker 2: have just ritten five people for lowering the regime's reputation
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Speaker 2: wherever they put it as spies. Your prim name, though,
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Speaker 2: is to destroy the main nuclear weapon sites. Now most
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Speaker 2: of them are deep underground. Experts think that the attack
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Speaker 2: on the town site, destroying the electricity there probably though
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Speaker 2: did ruin many of the sensitive centrifugias underground because the
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Speaker 2: interruption of power being switched off so abruptly. But the
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Speaker 2: side of thought out, for instance, does that look to
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Speaker 2: you crippled? Many people are saying, wait a minute, that
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Speaker 2: looks like one that really needs doing.
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Speaker 8: I think that we're not done yet. I think that
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Speaker 8: we still need to do But we've already attacked it
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Speaker 8: with heavy duty capabilities. And as you noted in your
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Speaker 8: very interesting description from before, not everything starts and ends
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Speaker 8: just with the military capability. The Mosata itself did something
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Speaker 8: very exceptional and showed that there are forces on the
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Speaker 8: ground ever since. The regime is watch out from pickup trucks,
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Speaker 8: watch out from everybody around you. That adds into the chaos.
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Speaker 8: But you can attack these kind of sites not only
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Speaker 8: with the heavy duty weapons, but also with stealth, with
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Speaker 8: different ideas where you want to get in, you want
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Speaker 8: to make sure that you control and perhaps disable it
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Speaker 8: from within. These are all things to be taken into account.
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Speaker 8: Israel has done different deeds like this over the last
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Speaker 8: ten to fifteen years. This is the first time we've
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Speaker 8: ever openly done such an attack. But I do think
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Speaker 8: we still have lots of stealthy capabilities that we could
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Speaker 8: continue to do on the ground inside Iran.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you touched on a story. We don't know. There's
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Speaker 2: so much misinformation going we don't know. But it looked
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Speaker 2: like Israel might have done what Ukraine did just a
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Speaker 2: few weeks ago to destroy so many Russian bombers by
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Speaker 2: having vehicles with drones inside them, and that unleash near
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Speaker 2: the targets. We don't know if that's true. That it's
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Speaker 2: got the Iranian secret ages intelligence jumping around looking at shadows.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. But one thing, has Israel misjudged how
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Speaker 2: many missiles Iran actually had and could still fight back
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Speaker 2: because your country is taking some pun At the moment.
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Speaker 8: We're taking punishment. I'm talking to you. I'm actually at
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Speaker 8: my house right now. It's during the day. I may
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Speaker 8: have to leave because of a siren. All of Israelis
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Speaker 8: over the last six days understand that you need to
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Speaker 8: be near a standard safe room shelter. You can't just
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Speaker 8: be in a safe place because what Iran is firing
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Speaker 8: at us are half ton ballistic missiles that do enormous damage.
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Speaker 8: But I don't think that we underestimated in an odd way,
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Speaker 8: I'd say, I thought that we overestimated. I thought that
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Speaker 8: there would be more missiles that would get through. I
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Speaker 8: thought that there would be more casualties. My heart goes
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Speaker 8: out to innocent civilians anywhere, be them in Tehran or
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Speaker 8: in the Gauzza Strip, certainly inside Israel. Twenty four Israelis
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Speaker 8: have been killed. Having said that, until now, the Islamic
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Speaker 8: regime is fired against us, over four hundred missiles, less
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Speaker 8: than forty have gotten through. That means that we have
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Speaker 8: intercepted over ninety percent. That's unheard of in a day.
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Speaker 8: We prepare ourselves in the home front in the way
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Speaker 8: that I do, where I literally have moved from my
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Speaker 8: house to a place where I'm near, to a safe room,
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Speaker 8: because right now, if you do what we're told to do,
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Speaker 8: we're given early warning, we're told to go to safe places.
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Speaker 8: May destroy our homes, but at least we're not losing lives.
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Speaker 8: So I don't think that we overestimated. And as I
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Speaker 8: see it, the missile attacks from Iran are slowly dwindling.
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Speaker 8: They went from fifty to thirty to twenty to ten.
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Speaker 8: That's not because they want to show something else, it's
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Speaker 8: because they can't do so because of our air superiority,
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Speaker 8: our intelligence, and our capabilities. We're hunting out those launchers
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Speaker 8: all the time.
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Speaker 2: And just funny, Maria Asen, how much do you think
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Speaker 2: Trump and the American military have really contributed in this
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Speaker 2: war so far?
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Speaker 8: Israel and the United States have a long term, very
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Speaker 8: into my military security intelligence relationship. So in that sense,
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Speaker 8: you could say in the background in the build up.
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Speaker 8: That doesn't mean that they were there on the ground,
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Speaker 8: but you cooperate in that sense greatly. Having said that,
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Speaker 8: I don't know if any American planes in the sky.
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Speaker 8: We're the ones who are over Iran that air superiority
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Speaker 8: with both the F thirty fives that are US planes,
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Speaker 8: but those are planes that are flown by the IDF,
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Speaker 8: by the IAF, these reel aircraft Air Air Force. So
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Speaker 8: I would say that there's certainly understanding, there's a support,
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Speaker 8: there's cooperation, more in the intel mode, less in the operational.
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Speaker 8: Will they step in now, I don't know. As you
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Speaker 8: presented before. The only thing that I won't say anything
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Speaker 8: about is what President Trump will do next. That I
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Speaker 8: don't know how to assess.
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Speaker 2: And also, Marie, don't criticizing, don't criticize it. Very sensitive
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Speaker 2: just say thank you, thank you, thank you. Mary, I
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Speaker 2: as right to talk to you. Thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for you time after the break, Anthony Albanizi reacts to
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's big snub by filling his ex account with
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Speaker 2: lots of pictures of well nearly twenty VIPs who he
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Speaker 2: reckons we're glad to see him, and then he hatches
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Speaker 2: a desperate and dangerous plan. Now, Anthony Albaneze was so
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Speaker 2: embarrassed by having Donald Trump yesterday cancel the first ever
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Speaker 2: meeting that was supposed to happen today, first ever meeting
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Speaker 2: at the G seven without warning or apology, and now
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Speaker 2: you can tell Albanize was embarrassed. But the absolute blizzard
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Speaker 2: of photographs and videos that he had posted on his
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Speaker 2: ex account yesterday showing it was actually a popular guy astonishing.
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Speaker 2: It was about twenty of them, like pictures of Albo
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Speaker 2: meeting the head of the UN meeting their premise of
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Speaker 2: India and of Japan, and of Canada and of Britain,
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Speaker 2: as well as the President of South Africa and of
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Speaker 2: South Korea, and video of Albanezi hugging the President of
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Speaker 2: Ukraine meeting the head of NATO meeting the Canadian Governor
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Speaker 2: General for some reason very impressed, as well as the
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Speaker 2: U s Sec. Treasury Secretary, and other US trade representation.
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Speaker 2: On it went, and at this press conference that night
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Speaker 2: he also named the other leaders had met and hadn't snapped,
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Speaker 2: Italy is Prime Minister, a couple of European chiefs, and
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Speaker 2: on and on. It was a massive exercise of cope.
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Speaker 2: It was weird, But there was also something else that
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Speaker 2: actually showed how very serious this Trump snub was, how
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Speaker 2: desperate Albanezi now is to meet Donald Trump before the
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Speaker 2: US finishes a review into whether it can actually afford
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Speaker 2: to do what it said it would and sell us
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Speaker 2: three of our three of its nuclear submarines under the Orcsteel.
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Speaker 2: These are submarines, as I showed you last night, that
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Speaker 2: its top defense people now worry that their own navy
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Speaker 2: will need to meet the threat of China and albining easy. Now.
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Speaker 2: I think is so worried that he is considering flying
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Speaker 2: to the Haying next week to the Netherlands to try
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Speaker 2: to catch Trump in between meetings of NATO.
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Speaker 9: We're mature about the circumstances of what happened, to perfectly understandable,
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Speaker 9: will reschedule a meeting from time to time.
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Speaker 1: That is what occurs.
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Speaker 4: Everything is happening in the world.
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Speaker 2: Your types of the allies potentially.
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Speaker 9: Consideration, Yes, that's been considered to the panel.
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Speaker 2: Camera Milner form chief Stuff, the labor leader Bill Shorten,
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Speaker 2: our director of g EXO strategies are Michael Costa, former
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Speaker 2: New South Wales labor treasurer. Cameraon that desperation now to
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Speaker 2: meet Trump. No, middlely didn't say it's going to NATO
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Speaker 2: specifically to do that, but that's clearly you know the
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Speaker 2: last minute change is for that reason. That should tell you.
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Speaker 2: I think that while Albanez is telling us publicly, oh
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Speaker 2: the subs, no worries, chickenbock exercise by the Americans, We'll
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Speaker 2: get it, he's privately very worried that we won't now
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Speaker 2: get them.
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Speaker 10: Well, and I think the G seven was a date
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Speaker 10: night disaster for him and a foreign affairs failure. And
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Speaker 10: what an absolute embarrassment for Albo to have gone all
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Speaker 10: the way to Canada for a twenty minute meeting as
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Speaker 10: a sidebar and then been snubbed, I mean, and then
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Speaker 10: go on this of the speed dating rebound with all
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Speaker 10: the other people he could have met on the G.
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Speaker 2: Seven as well.
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Speaker 10: I mean no, I mean the danger with him going
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Speaker 10: to NATO now is he'll looked desperate and also potentially
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Speaker 10: still be dateless. I mean that's the issue, desperate and dateless.
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Speaker 10: And so Albo on Orcas has left it way too late.
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Speaker 10: He should have been there with Trump at the time
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Speaker 10: of his election, should have been there when he was
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Speaker 10: there for the election after his elected in the law
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Speaker 10: Grade on twentieth, But it didn't fit the Albow narrative.
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Speaker 10: Albert didn't want to be seen aywhere near Trump because
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Speaker 10: it didn't fit the pre election narrative of the Labor
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Speaker 10: Party who wanted to pour scorn on Donald Trump and
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Speaker 10: a Trump as the kind of the the punchline of
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Speaker 10: all the negative advertising about Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 1: So that's why we're playing catch up.
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Speaker 10: That's why Albow is well behind the ball, and that's
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Speaker 10: why Trump stopped him because Albo and Buong and Burke
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Speaker 10: have hardly been friends of America.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Michael Cosser, I get that Trump had bigger
22:17
Speaker 2: fish to fry back in Washington, but to do it
22:19
Speaker 2: without even the courtesy call of sorry now that I
22:23
Speaker 2: can squeeze you in for five minutes or hop on
22:25
Speaker 2: the plane of Washington and we'll talk at length. Nothing,
22:28
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing, just like that. What does that tell you?
22:33
Speaker 11: It tells me that Australia is largely irrelevant to the US.
22:37
Speaker 11: I mean, look, we're a middle ranking power that's neglected
22:41
Speaker 11: our defense for decades now under both governments, both persuasions
22:47
Speaker 11: of governments. So you know, it's hard to take US
22:49
Speaker 11: seriously as a defense partner. And that's what it tells me.
22:53
Speaker 11: I think he's right to be desperate because there is
22:55
Speaker 11: a potential for US to lose these subs. And you
22:58
Speaker 11: can see why. I mean, you know, we're not prepared
23:01
Speaker 11: to step up on defense yet we want to have
23:03
Speaker 11: cutting edge you know, some marines, and why would the
23:07
Speaker 11: US give that to us? In terms of the snub,
23:09
Speaker 11: I think he also snubbed some of those other leaders.
23:12
Speaker 11: I mean, you know there's Macron today running around saying
23:15
Speaker 11: that we should be careful about what we're doing. Iran
23:18
Speaker 11: talking about the US, I think you've got a bunch
23:20
Speaker 11: of fools in terms of international relations at that G seven,
23:26
Speaker 11: you can see it. The only person that's got any substance,
23:28
Speaker 11: of course, is Zelenski, and he's not even a member
23:31
Speaker 11: of the G seven. So look, the bottom line is
23:35
Speaker 11: I think we should be skeptical about the US's concerns
23:39
Speaker 11: for US. I think the US has gone down a
23:41
Speaker 11: path and Australia has itself to blame for its neglective defense.
23:47
Speaker 2: I would say there's one other figure now of substance
23:49
Speaker 2: in NATO, and this is the new German Chancellor. I
23:52
Speaker 2: think it makes a lot of sense getting rid of
23:55
Speaker 2: these Yeah early days, No, we've got a coalition, but
23:59
Speaker 2: still make very good sounds about backing the attack on Iran.
24:04
Speaker 2: And I've got to say, you, Cameron, you make an
24:07
Speaker 2: excellent point. If the Albanies goes ahead and tries to
24:11
Speaker 2: chase down Donald Trump in the Hague and gets another
24:15
Speaker 2: brush off, that will make him a laughing stock around
24:18
Speaker 2: the world. I don't know that he can afford to
24:20
Speaker 2: risk that. But to Trump in this war against the Iran,
24:24
Speaker 2: he's talking like the Americans are doing the fighting or
24:27
Speaker 2: some of it. There's something very stranger than there about
24:31
Speaker 2: how he slid into this war. I think it's good
24:33
Speaker 2: that he wants to be now backing it, but he's
24:36
Speaker 2: slid into it without actually owning it or running it. Yes,
24:42
Speaker 2: well that's right, isn't it. Sorry you just Cameron first
24:47
Speaker 2: to the Michael next.
24:50
Speaker 10: So I think it is I think it's welcome that
24:53
Speaker 10: he wants to be there, especially if we need to
24:54
Speaker 10: take out that nuclear capability at Fort Oh. That's obviously
24:57
Speaker 10: so deep and so impenetrable. But isn't it great? Isn't
25:00
Speaker 10: it great that Israel is doing the world's work, the
25:02
Speaker 10: world's work to decapitate this Iranian regime, to remove their
25:06
Speaker 10: nuclear capacity, and to actually fight a group of people
25:10
Speaker 10: who were prepared to bomb civilians and fund you know,
25:13
Speaker 10: the hoodies Hamas and Hezbela on Israel's doorstep. I think
25:17
Speaker 10: it's great that Israel has attacked Iran in this way.
25:20
Speaker 1: And if the US is.
25:21
Speaker 10: Required to remove once and for all that nuclear threat
25:23
Speaker 10: from Iran, will so be it?
25:27
Speaker 2: Well, no thanks, no thank you to Israel from our government.
25:31
Speaker 2: What do you think about how Trump has gone into
25:33
Speaker 2: this war and how is now posting messages suggesting is
25:38
Speaker 2: fighting it. What do you make of that? Michael?
25:40
Speaker 11: Oh, look, I'm pleased, and I think the whole world
25:43
Speaker 11: should be pleased. I mean, look, the isolationist position in
25:46
Speaker 11: the MAGA movement was completely loony. You know, people like
25:49
Speaker 11: Tucker Carlson and Candaso and these people are crazy. And
25:54
Speaker 11: you know, Charles Lindberg is the sort of model for
25:58
Speaker 11: these sorts of people that was betrayed the US in
26:01
Speaker 11: the face of the Second World War. The bottom line
26:04
Speaker 11: is Trump wants to be seen as a winner. He
26:07
Speaker 11: has to be seen as a winner, and he needs
26:09
Speaker 11: to defend US interests. People forget the US has a
26:13
Speaker 11: responsibility because all of the key institutions, the economic institutions
26:17
Speaker 11: of the world, the US institutions, the World Bank, the UN,
26:20
Speaker 11: in fact, the IMF. It has the world's reserve currency,
26:25
Speaker 11: and it has thirty thirty trillion dollars worth of debt
26:29
Speaker 11: to the rest of the world. It's only defending its
26:31
Speaker 11: own interests, let alone the global interests and the values
26:34
Speaker 11: that we all have to have. I hope Trump does
26:37
Speaker 11: step up. It doesn't mean regime change, I think that's
26:41
Speaker 11: the big unknown in all of this, but certainly destroying
26:44
Speaker 11: the nuclear facilities. And let's not forget Andrew. Israel is
26:50
Speaker 11: smaller than New South Wales in terms of its GDP
26:53
Speaker 11: and it has the same population. It is staggering the
26:58
Speaker 11: achievement of the Israeli them and the Australian people in
27:01
Speaker 11: relation to taking on Iran, which is ten times its size,
27:05
Speaker 11: that's our model for the future. We've got no defense
27:07
Speaker 11: and look at Israel.
27:11
Speaker 2: That's absolutely compared us now even to Ukraine's Armyhow that's
27:15
Speaker 2: been fighting and so innovative. I know it's a much
27:18
Speaker 2: bigger country, but still, Cameron Milner, I mean, it's what
27:24
Speaker 2: is it that stops this government from saying a thank
27:28
Speaker 2: you to Israel? I mean a no pennywog. Today the
27:31
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister amped up her rhetoric against Iran finally, but
27:36
Speaker 2: this is like days later and they still haven't said, yes,
27:41
Speaker 2: Israel was right to go into Iran and try to
27:46
Speaker 2: clean out this unlawful, this threatening a nuclear weapons program.
27:53
Speaker 10: Well, Michael, I've been at too many state conferences. I
27:55
Speaker 10: think a national conference is seeing these people come through
27:57
Speaker 10: the party. I mean, these are hard call left his
28:00
Speaker 10: who are embarrassed to stand with our allies, embarrassed to
28:02
Speaker 10: stand with democratic institutions like the US, like the UK,
28:06
Speaker 10: like Israel, stand with our Jewish brothers here in Australia.
28:09
Speaker 10: These people have pandered to Palestine. Have you turn a
28:14
Speaker 10: blind eyed to her mass and all the other things
28:15
Speaker 10: that happened in the Middle East, like Iran, and like
28:17
Speaker 10: the Iranian regime for too long.
28:19
Speaker 2: And that's the problem. And that's the problem.
28:21
Speaker 10: These people come through the party, Michael, as you know,
28:23
Speaker 10: as hardcore lefties, and they can't change their spots where
28:26
Speaker 10: they're given responsibilities like being the Foreign Minister and other
28:29
Speaker 10: responsible like the Home Affairs minister.
28:33
Speaker 2: And like the way you added that one. Take that
28:35
Speaker 2: Tony book, Cameron Milner, Michael Costan, thank you very much
28:38
Speaker 2: to you both. After the break, the treasurers some me
28:43
Speaker 2: emits he needs a lot more help than he thought
28:45
Speaker 2: to save us. I'll tell you his plan. One of
28:53
Speaker 2: the many meetings at Anthony Albaniz he boasted that he
28:56
Speaker 2: had in Canada yesterday. It scares me, especially today when
29:01
Speaker 2: his Treasurer Becky if only admitted today the economy wasn't
29:04
Speaker 2: actually going that well and he wants more money Albanies.
29:07
Speaker 2: He had a lovely time yesterday meeting the new German Chancellor.
29:12
Speaker 2: But I read that our Prime Minister then actually highlighted
29:16
Speaker 2: to the Chancellor the work his Albanize government is doing
29:19
Speaker 2: here on green hydrogen and other renewable energies, and then
29:24
Speaker 2: said Germany's successful manufacturing sector was a great model for Australia.
29:29
Speaker 2: And again I wonder what world does this primeister live in?
29:34
Speaker 2: His green hydrogen players are actually as shambles, one project
29:38
Speaker 2: after another collapsing because it doesn't make economic sense. And
29:42
Speaker 2: as for Germany's manufacturing sector is actually shrinking, shrinking fast
29:47
Speaker 2: than the rest of Europe, says with economists blaming first
29:51
Speaker 2: of all, high energy costs, after Germany particularly try to
29:56
Speaker 2: go green as well and scrap nuclear power and it
30:00
Speaker 2: now it looks like Germany is actually taking Australian manufacturing
30:03
Speaker 2: as the model because look how manufacturing is almost vanished.
30:07
Speaker 2: Here is a percentage of our GDP again with rising
30:11
Speaker 2: power bills. Now one of the straws that breaks that
30:14
Speaker 2: Campbell's back. I mean, really, what is going on in
30:18
Speaker 2: the head of your Prime Minister. Well, at least there's
30:22
Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Charmers today admitted after the election, finally admitted
30:29
Speaker 2: our economy isn't tracking quite as well as he's been
30:32
Speaker 2: claiming and he needs help. Not that any of this
30:36
Speaker 2: is his fault, of course, it's the wicked worlds.
30:39
Speaker 12: To deliver higher living standards for our people. We recognize
30:43
Speaker 12: three blunt truths. Our budget is stronger, but it's not
30:48
Speaker 12: yet sustainable enough. Our economy is growing, but it's not
30:53
Speaker 12: productive enough. It is resilient, but it's not resilient enough
30:57
Speaker 12: in the face of all of this global economy volatility.
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Speaker 2: And it seemed from his speech to what Charmers particularly
31:05
Speaker 2: wants is more money, more of your money, and I
31:08
Speaker 2: mean even more of your money. I mean it's predicting
31:11
Speaker 2: a decade of deficits to come a trillion dollar net
31:15
Speaker 2: debt next year, and it seems he must get more cash.
31:21
Speaker 12: Tax reform is so crucial to budget sustainability. Fiscal stability
31:26
Speaker 12: and regulatory certainty give businesses the confidence and clarity that
31:31
Speaker 12: they need to invest. And this relies on sustainable revenue
31:34
Speaker 12: to fund our priorities that.
31:38
Speaker 2: You actually think the government needed spending reform when Charmers
31:43
Speaker 2: actually boasted like it was saying of how tough is
31:46
Speaker 2: being on spending. The spending on the National Disability Insurance
31:49
Speaker 2: Scheme is now blown out to eight percent, sorry, just
31:56
Speaker 2: eight percent, apparently just eight percent every year.
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Speaker 12: We're on track to meet our NDIS growth target of
32:03
Speaker 12: eight percent a year.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, eight percent increase a year and that's a good
32:10
Speaker 2: thing in a scheme that now has one in thirty
32:14
Speaker 2: five Australians on it, all claiming to have a permanent
32:20
Speaker 2: and significant disability one in thirty five. Has it been
32:23
Speaker 2: a nation so sick in history? No wonder this government
32:27
Speaker 2: is demanding more money and to help it get it,
32:31
Speaker 2: it's going to hand pick about twenty five people. Get
32:34
Speaker 2: them to come to Canberra in August over about three
32:37
Speaker 2: days and work out in this little cozy labor pick
32:41
Speaker 2: club how to pluck taxpayers to fund their pet schemes
32:46
Speaker 2: like there's disastrous global warning schemes that the Prime ministers
32:50
Speaker 2: boasting about to Germany. Joining me with Stephen Hamilton, Assistant
32:55
Speaker 2: Professor of Economics at the George Washington University and a
32:58
Speaker 2: visiting fellow at the Australian National Universe. Stephen Halilton, thank
33:02
Speaker 2: you so much for joining me. Well, you've got Jim
33:06
Speaker 2: Chalmers now saying it's going to have a round table
33:10
Speaker 2: in August of just twenty five or so chosen people,
33:14
Speaker 2: people that I think would agree with him to remake
33:18
Speaker 2: the economy. It's a growing but it's not growing enough.
33:21
Speaker 2: It's productive but it's not productive enough, and it's none
33:25
Speaker 2: of us Jim's fault. By the way, Steven, I want
33:27
Speaker 2: you to get that out of your head. It's international factors,
33:30
Speaker 2: and he wants to improve, not replace anything he's done
33:35
Speaker 2: in the first term of government.
33:36
Speaker 1: What do you make of all this? Yeah, I think the.
33:40
Speaker 13: Most notable thing Andrew was sort of the Treasurer of
33:43
Speaker 13: belling the cat that we have a fiscal sustainability problem. Now,
33:48
Speaker 13: now you know, I didn't hear much about that before
33:51
Speaker 13: the election. I didn't hear anything about that, in fact,
33:55
Speaker 13: But now a month after the election, we're here. You know,
33:58
Speaker 13: there's a big fiscal sustainability problem that's going to need
34:00
Speaker 13: big tax increases to fix it.
34:02
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that's that's kind of a surprise. Frankly.
34:06
Speaker 13: The thing I'd note is that in the treasure It's
34:09
Speaker 13: first budget in October twenty twenty two, if you can
34:13
Speaker 13: remember that far back, that first budget forecast a decade
34:18
Speaker 13: of deficits. In the Treasurer's last budget before the election,
34:23
Speaker 13: it forecast a decade of deficits.
34:28
Speaker 1: So business sustainability is news to the Treasurer. But nothing's
34:32
Speaker 1: changed for the last three years.
34:35
Speaker 2: But there's so much you pick apart here let's go
34:39
Speaker 2: with the productivity angle. Those is, Oh, there's a number
34:43
Speaker 2: of problems with productivity even say for one that you know,
34:48
Speaker 2: business has been tied up with union regulation, too much, taxes,
34:52
Speaker 2: black tape, red tape, green tape, whatever, its all. Do
34:57
Speaker 2: you think that should the government should be re examining
35:01
Speaker 2: its record in reregulating the economy here to explain in
35:06
Speaker 2: part the slump in productivity.
35:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we do have a serious problem with productivity.
35:13
Speaker 13: Now, it's worth noting that that has been a problem,
35:16
Speaker 13: that was a problem before the government came to us,
35:18
Speaker 13: So that is an existing problem. We have had a
35:20
Speaker 13: productive is slowdown for roughly more than ten years, right,
35:25
Speaker 13: so this is a long term challenge. However, it's gotten
35:28
Speaker 13: particularly bad in the last three years. So you know,
35:31
Speaker 13: over the last three years, I think since the government
35:34
Speaker 13: was elected. Last quarter, not the quarter just gone, the
35:38
Speaker 13: quarter before was the only one where economic growth per
35:43
Speaker 13: capita was positive, you know, So that is an unprecedented
35:48
Speaker 13: stretch of a decline in per capita GDP, which is
35:52
Speaker 13: that you know, which is the main measure of living standards.
35:54
Speaker 13: It determines everything, right, it determines our standard of living.
35:59
Speaker 13: So you know that is really long period three years
36:02
Speaker 13: of basically no growth at all in Perkapa GDP, and
36:06
Speaker 13: actually it's gone down over that time.
36:08
Speaker 1: So you know, we have to ask ourselves why that
36:11
Speaker 1: has happened.
36:11
Speaker 13: And I think, yes, there's no doubt there are we
36:15
Speaker 13: have an inefficient taxes, and we have you know, a
36:17
Speaker 13: lot of red tape, a lot of regulation. Yes, all
36:19
Speaker 13: of these things are true. We've reregulated the lad market.
36:22
Speaker 13: But I want to point to something in particular, which
36:25
Speaker 13: is this the government came to office. We've had the
36:27
Speaker 13: fastest runner in government spending outside of recession since the
36:33
Speaker 13: Whitlam government. That's half a century ago, right, So you know,
36:39
Speaker 13: you cannot expect to expand the government so rapidly and
36:44
Speaker 13: not to have negative consequences. And so what we've seen
36:46
Speaker 13: is we've seen the public sector expand we've seen productivity decline.
36:51
Speaker 13: We've seen the high productivity private sector squeezed. And so
36:55
Speaker 13: it shouldn't be any surprise that we see what we see.
36:58
Speaker 13: The same story is played out of the late market,
37:00
Speaker 13: by the way, where basically all new jobs created in
37:03
Speaker 13: the labor market in the last few years have been
37:05
Speaker 13: what we call non market jobs, that is, jobs created
37:08
Speaker 13: by government, either directly or indirectly. So if this government
37:13
Speaker 13: looking forward wants to continue on that track and we
37:17
Speaker 13: see this with you know, things like universal childcare being floaded,
37:21
Speaker 13: and then we can only expect more of the same.
37:25
Speaker 2: But it was also saying, look, as you know, it's
37:27
Speaker 2: conscious of course that taxes need to be lower, but
37:30
Speaker 2: he wants tax reform and everything you see that they
37:34
Speaker 2: actually proposed as concrete means more taxes. How can that
37:38
Speaker 2: possibly be a problem, you know that they don't collect
37:41
Speaker 2: enough taxes when they've been spending and taxing like never before.
37:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have we have a you know, we've
37:51
Speaker 1: had the fastest bracket creep.
37:53
Speaker 13: That is, you know, everyone through their income taxes has
37:56
Speaker 13: paid more and more a big and bigger share of
37:58
Speaker 13: their income and taxes over the last few years because
38:01
Speaker 13: of this very high inflation. And that's that's caused a
38:03
Speaker 13: massive increase in income taxes. And the government's current policy,
38:08
Speaker 13: this is its policy, it's in the budget papers, is
38:10
Speaker 13: to let that bracket crip rip over the next decade.
38:15
Speaker 1: And I did some sums.
38:16
Speaker 13: If you look at an average Australian worker today, if
38:19
Speaker 13: we let that go in five years, that Australian work
38:23
Speaker 13: will pay fifteen hundred dollars a year more in tax
38:27
Speaker 13: in real terms than.
38:29
Speaker 1: They're paying today, right, and that's what's paying for this
38:32
Speaker 1: big run up in government services.
38:34
Speaker 13: And all we can expect is that if we let
38:37
Speaker 13: that bracket crip run, then that acts like a handbrake
38:40
Speaker 13: on our economy, you know. And so you know, I
38:43
Speaker 13: do hope the Treasurer understands that. You know, it's not
38:47
Speaker 13: just about raising revenue. That's not what tax reform is about.
38:51
Speaker 13: Tax reform is about raising the revenue we have much
38:55
Speaker 13: more efficiently, right, so that we can collect that revenue
38:58
Speaker 13: while putting a much sma all a burden on the economy.
39:02
Speaker 13: And if that's the focus of this tax reform discussion,
39:05
Speaker 13: then I think it's fantastic. But the things we have
39:09
Speaker 13: seen from this government, you know, a lot of these
39:11
Speaker 13: things like you know, the super you know changes that
39:14
Speaker 13: that many people have been talking about, they're not tax reform.
39:17
Speaker 13: They're really just about raising additional revenue.
39:22
Speaker 2: Steve Hamilton, thank you so much, indeed for your time.
39:26
Speaker 1: Pleasure drew.
39:28
Speaker 2: After the break the Great European protests last Sunday against tourists,
39:34
Speaker 2: is it still safe to visit. Why are Victorian police
39:44
Speaker 2: helping israel hating mobs chase Jews out of their own
39:48
Speaker 2: city With Israel now at war with Iran. Some Jews
39:52
Speaker 2: went into Melbourne the other days to Springs Street to
39:54
Speaker 2: show Israel some support, but the police said, wait a minute,
39:59
Speaker 2: there's some to Israel protests coming and they seem threatening.
40:03
Speaker 2: They might attack these Jews.
40:05
Speaker 13: What I am going to do is I'm going to
40:07
Speaker 13: ask if you guys from mood awaking here, what I
40:10
Speaker 13: need to do is I'm going to give you some boundaries.
40:12
Speaker 2: We don't need to move to the stage, for your safety,
40:16
Speaker 2: for the public safety.
40:17
Speaker 8: For everyone's safety competing place.
40:20
Speaker 2: Safty, please then warn they could arrest the innocent Jewish protests,
40:25
Speaker 2: instead of warning that they could arrest any of the
40:29
Speaker 2: anti Israel protesters who threaten to assault them.
40:33
Speaker 10: If you refuse to move, you will be detained or
40:37
Speaker 10: restraint as long as necessary to remove me from the area.
40:40
Speaker 2: Do you understand if.
40:42
Speaker 1: They decided to broach the line.
40:43
Speaker 10: We could not stop them and we could not keep
40:46
Speaker 10: more not God, come on, why don't just remove the aggressives.
40:51
Speaker 1: Remove the aggressives, do your.
40:56
Speaker 2: Job, remove the aggression. Thanks to Harvy Emeny of Rebel
41:00
Speaker 2: News for that footage. Joining me at Caroline De Russo,
41:03
Speaker 2: commentator and president of the Weststrariian Liberals, and freyer Leitch
41:06
Speaker 2: from Sky News the Late Debate. Look, I'm just astonished
41:12
Speaker 2: by this, Caroline, what do you make of that kind
41:15
Speaker 2: of police? Is a fair enough? I mean, police can't
41:17
Speaker 2: handle a big mob, so you know, put the bet away,
41:20
Speaker 2: so to speak. And some of the police are women,
41:24
Speaker 2: so the Jews have to get out. Is that make
41:27
Speaker 2: any sense to you?
41:29
Speaker 14: Makes absolutely no sense to me. The only thing that
41:32
Speaker 14: I can say is, well, at least they've been consistent.
41:36
Speaker 14: The fact of the matter is, Andrew, if you're going like,
41:40
Speaker 14: we're allowed to protest, there's a right to peaceful protest.
41:44
Speaker 14: The rules need to be applied equally to everyone. And
41:47
Speaker 14: the point that the gentlemen made right at the end
41:49
Speaker 14: of the video, what about dealing with the aggressors, Well
41:53
Speaker 14: that's actually the pertinent point here. So why is it
41:56
Speaker 14: a problem if people are peacefully protesting that may require
42:02
Speaker 14: extra police resources to deal with people who are being aggressive. Now, Andrew,
42:06
Speaker 14: this is not the first anti Israel protest that has
42:08
Speaker 14: hit Melbourne. They have been happening on a very regular
42:12
Speaker 14: basis since October seven. But I don't understand and I
42:16
Speaker 14: still cannot believe that police are still trying to justify,
42:21
Speaker 14: you know, sort of this sort of protection or acceptance
42:24
Speaker 14: or tolerance of this aggressive behavior and everyone else needs
42:29
Speaker 14: to move out of the way to kind of, you know,
42:32
Speaker 14: to as I said before, tolerate it. That there has
42:35
Speaker 14: to stop. It needs to be consistent for everyone. The
42:39
Speaker 14: same rules apply. And if you are being aggressive, well
42:42
Speaker 14: you're the people who need to be dealt with.
42:43
Speaker 1: Bring in more resources.
42:45
Speaker 14: We know they're there when the police really want to
42:47
Speaker 14: use them.
42:50
Speaker 2: Very at least. What do you make of this?
42:52
Speaker 5: I think this is absolutely scandalous. The police are essentially
42:56
Speaker 5: admitting that they have lost control of the streets of
43:00
Speaker 5: Melbourne so much so that they need to send Jewish
43:04
Speaker 5: people away.
43:05
Speaker 1: But this is the thing.
43:06
Speaker 5: If the police can't guarantee the safety of Jewish Australians,
43:10
Speaker 5: don't think they'll be able to guarantee your safety either.
43:14
Speaker 5: This is absolutely insane that the police are admitting that
43:19
Speaker 5: if the pro Palestinian mob charged at them, they wouldn't
43:23
Speaker 5: be able to stop them.
43:25
Speaker 13: Either.
43:25
Speaker 5: That's gross incompetence or they're choosing not to uphold Jewish
43:29
Speaker 5: people's rights to freely walk around their own city with
43:33
Speaker 5: an Israeli flag.
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Speaker 2: Now, I've got to take Caroline, none of the I
43:38
Speaker 2: don't know if any of those protests, as those pro
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Speaker 2: pedestini ones anti israel ones, would have done anything at
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Speaker 2: all to those people. But the thing is, there's now
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Speaker 2: a reputation a labels from bitter experience that such protests
43:56
Speaker 2: very easily turn nasty and vicious and sometimes even violent.
44:02
Speaker 2: What does that say about the pro powdest in the
44:04
Speaker 2: movement that is now seen in that light by the
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Speaker 2: police themselves.
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Speaker 14: Well, like I said before, these protests have been going
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Speaker 14: on a long time, so the police have obviously witnessed
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Speaker 14: some of that behavior, and they do it and at
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Speaker 14: times they're peaceful, I'm sure, but at other times they
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Speaker 14: have been belligerent. But the fact of the matter is
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Speaker 14: is that there is a right to peaceful protest. There
44:30
Speaker 14: is not a right to harangue whoever is around you.
44:34
Speaker 14: There is not a right to be aggressive. And the
44:37
Speaker 14: problem is is when you tolerate certain sorts of behavior,
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Speaker 14: the line keeps getting pushed. And this is where I
44:45
Speaker 14: think Victoria police and you know, who am I to say?
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Speaker 4: Really?
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Speaker 14: But you know, the line needs to be drawn as
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Speaker 14: to what is and isn't acceptable behavior, and it needs
44:55
Speaker 14: to make sure that it isn't cross because the more
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Speaker 14: poor behavior that the police to, all right, the more
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Speaker 14: that they can expect, and not just the more that
45:03
Speaker 14: they can expect, but they can expect it to escalate
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Speaker 14: and that is absolutely unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd be talked on in last night about the
45:11
Speaker 2: two tier justice system and how many Victorians in particular
45:14
Speaker 2: had no faith that people were being treated equally anymore.
45:19
Speaker 2: I'm off to I'm off on holidays tonight. Now I'm
45:24
Speaker 2: thinking home is going to be very safe. It must
45:28
Speaker 2: be the safer option because being a tourist now around Europe.
45:33
Speaker 2: Last Sunday there were big protests against tourists in Spain,
45:38
Speaker 2: in Italy, in Portugal where tourists were being squided with water.
45:44
Speaker 2: One protests even waved an axe. In Paris, the staff
45:48
Speaker 2: of the loof just shut it down the Woods Business Gallery.
45:52
Speaker 2: I think it is saying they couldn't handle the crowds
45:55
Speaker 2: like sniff sniff. And if I lived in Rome right now,
45:57
Speaker 2: I've got to say they'd be sick of tourists as well.
46:00
Speaker 2: Are tourists killing the great cities of Europe? Or take
46:04
Speaker 2: the tourists anyway? What do you think?
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Speaker 5: Well, obviously so in one of the cities where there
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Speaker 5: was a protest, Barcelona, there are twenty six million tourists
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Speaker 5: every year and only one and a half million residents.
46:15
Speaker 5: I understand in that context you'd feel like you're just
46:19
Speaker 5: a feature at a theme park. But at the same time,
46:23
Speaker 5: tourism is propping up the economies of a lot of
46:26
Speaker 5: these Mediterranean countries, sometimes making up to twenty percent of
46:30
Speaker 5: their GDP. So I also think it's sort of biting
46:34
Speaker 5: the hand that feeds them. So maybe they should be
46:36
Speaker 5: looking at some of the draconian EU regulations that make
46:40
Speaker 5: it impossible to do business in other areas. Maybe then
46:43
Speaker 5: they wouldn't be so reliant on tourism. But they are
46:46
Speaker 5: reliant on tourism to prop up a lot of these economies,
46:49
Speaker 5: so I don't think they should be going out harassing tourists.
46:52
Speaker 5: Maybe they should take it up with their own government.
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Speaker 2: Well what do you make of it, Caroin? Because of course,
46:58
Speaker 2: when you travel literally you are not a tourist, You're
47:01
Speaker 2: just a local returning. When you see the sites in
47:05
Speaker 2: Venice or in Rome. It's just I'd be upset as well.
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Speaker 14: No, no, no, I'm an Australian. I'm absolutely an Australian
47:14
Speaker 14: and when they ask me where I'm from, I say
47:16
Speaker 14: Australia and they look very confused for a moment. But
47:19
Speaker 14: I think to Pray's point is she's absolutely right. A
47:23
Speaker 14: lot of these a lot of these economies are very
47:25
Speaker 14: reliant on tourism. But like with anything, respect other people's
47:30
Speaker 14: places when you go there, So you know, you can
47:33
Speaker 14: be a good and respectful tourist, or you can yell
47:37
Speaker 14: at people in English, and you know what, if they
47:38
Speaker 14: don't speak English, it doesn't matter how loud you yell
47:41
Speaker 14: at them, they are still not going to understand what
47:44
Speaker 14: you're saying. So I think there needs to be you know,
47:49
Speaker 14: I think there needs to be listen to me, there
47:51
Speaker 14: needs to be a bit of regulation around tourism, particularly
47:54
Speaker 14: in those very very heavy summer month I know, I
47:58
Speaker 14: can't believe I just said that. In those in those
48:00
Speaker 14: very heavy summer months, it can get incredibly crowded. People
48:04
Speaker 14: lose their patients, both tourists and locals. But I think
48:07
Speaker 14: to the extent that people can be, you know, respectful
48:10
Speaker 14: of everyone's patch. I think it's absolutely doable, and I
48:14
Speaker 14: think it's it's very good for both both the tourists
48:17
Speaker 14: to see places other than home and obviously for those economies.
48:22
Speaker 14: But I think if everyone just a little bit more,
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Speaker 14: you're okay.
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Speaker 2: Seeing the stag parties in Amsterdam, I go very dutchesspp.
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Speaker 2: There you go. That's it from me. I'll see you,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much, Freer and Caroline. I'll see everyone
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Speaker 2: again in about six weeks, and until then, good night.