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Eagles vs Bears - MNF Showdown Shippers | NFL Week 3 | DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: All systems go. Clear for liftoff. What's up everyone. Tyler
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: Tamblyn here, AKA toe tag and Tambo back for another
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  Speaker 1: edition of showdown shippers here on the shipment nation, YouTube station.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Got my guy title town with me. Who's getting a
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: dental work dental work done. So we'll see him back.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: I believe Thursday, but just noting that the two of
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: us will break down this slate. We've got the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: at the bears. We've got a pretty good game. I
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  Speaker 1: think title to go back and forth here with, but
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  Speaker 1: how was your Sunday, my friend and onto another Monday
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: night football showdown slate. Yeah.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: My Sunday was profitable. So I cannot complain about that
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: one bit. Cash game streets, not really the tournaments. Had
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: the right player pool, didn't have the right combinations, was
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: too under on the Gino Sadiq stuff. So, I mean,
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: you pretty much really wanted that when it was all
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: said and done. But I thought some pretty good football
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: last night was a great game. We talked a little pre-show.
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: Anyone that was looking at the leaderboard saw you up
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: there for a little bit, hovering, saw Matt Bellman up
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: there hovering. Mumfield got the touchdown. I was hovering. I mean,
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: showdown's a crazy game. It just takes a couple plays
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: to flip it all. So, hey, we love talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully he can repeat what happened last Monday, 41.5 total, 3.5-point
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  Speaker 2: favor to the Eagles against a backup quarterback. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think a good football game.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely looks like a good game here for, I think,
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: for Showdown, for everything. There's a lot of different options,
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: the ways you can go. We're going to go through
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  Speaker 1: the captains, then we'll go position by position, give you
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  Speaker 1: guys some thoughts there, see if we can check out
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: FanDuel pricing a little bit as well. They're running their usual,
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: but big boy contests out there, lots of good prizes
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  Speaker 1: up top. And yeah, you said it, Showdown's a crazy game.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: It's not for the faint of heart. People that are
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: sweating it so early, and they're like, there's seven minutes left,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. a little bit like i said
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  Speaker 1: do you appreciate it's like it's cool when you're like
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  Speaker 1: okay this is realistic i don't have some super lone
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  Speaker 1: guy that i would need to catch a ball a
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  Speaker 1: bomb or something and i don't you know i know
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  Speaker 1: there's six seven minutes left but what's the scenario this
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  Speaker 1: could play out like like this could happen that would
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  Speaker 1: be good for this all you can do is put
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  Speaker 1: yourself in that spot and then hope it goes your
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: way then all of a sudden you can be like
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  Speaker 1: from there two minutes later you can be 20 points
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  Speaker 1: off the next best lineup and injuries by the way
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  Speaker 1: too like ferguson Last night, somebody just said it, Justin Sports, please,
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  Speaker 1: no injuries. Just please, man. Like, it's nuts, these amount
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  Speaker 1: of injuries, Dart. But you had the Dart one, 80%
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  Speaker 1: or whatever you said last week, and then it came
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  Speaker 1: through and still won almost 40K. You know, I think Ferguson,
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  Speaker 1: I had 76% of last night, still had lineups up there.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the way it goes sometimes. But can't control that.
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: We got to control the controllables.
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: You are one to look at, like to sweat it out, right?
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: So you're on the DraftKings app. You're seeing where you're at.
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: Like some people say they don't check until the games
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: are over. Like after stat corrections, you're on the app
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  Speaker 2: looking at what you need, right?
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: I don't look at it until like halftime and then
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: the very end, like 10 minutes or less. Do I,
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: then I, you want, I mean, you put your money in,
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: you want to see if you're going to get a sweat,
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: but I talk about this with golf. It's the same thing.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: Like Thursday morning, who cares? Friday afternoon, cut sweat. Definitely
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: looking Saturday night. Do I have anything that I could be,
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  Speaker 1: that could be in contention that I want to pay
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: attention to? Same, same thing. Football main slate. I'm thinking
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: about late swaps and afternoon slate before I'm thinking about
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: what's about to ship today. Look at the yesterday's afternoon games. Nuts, right?
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: There's so many ways you can go. Like, things that
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  Speaker 1: can happen. So, you know, yesterday I was tilting some
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: actionables early in the Discord, having fun with the community,
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: just saying like, man, this is brutal start for a
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: lot of different things. Mahomes, I played him for the
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  Speaker 1: first time in forever. No chance that thing was coming.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: I got that one right. A couple of things I
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  Speaker 2: got right, but not the Geno stuff, which you needed.
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  Speaker 2: But man, it's just still hard with Mahomes. Like, granted,
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: they were in the red zone a lot and they
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  Speaker 2: could have converted. Like they had opportunities, but.
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  Speaker 1: Getting- play calls what killed them the what like when
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: you're going walker from that one it was so bad
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  Speaker 1: that one is that's when i actually started tilting a
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: little i was like just that because i was like
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  Speaker 1: they had the ability and then of course the hn
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  Speaker 1: injury i was dead anyway i had a i love
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: my setup it was like well in my main 555
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it was like it was like my homes
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: uh worthy taekwon with uh hn as opposed to using
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  Speaker 1: walker and then i still had i think gibbs with
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: wilson And then whatever else it allowed me to get.
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  Speaker 1: It was a nice lineup. I know that much. It
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: just didn't play out this time. But Belvin and I
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: just did the takedown breakdown. If you guys are here,
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  Speaker 1: You can go check that out. We talked a lot
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: about the Sadiq factor. I know it's a showdown show.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get there in just a second, guys. But we
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: kind of knew or felt like Adonai Mitchell wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to play. But we were all like, planning for it
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  Speaker 1: but i don't know if we were prepared because like
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: still only came in at five percent everybody moved to
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: isaiah williams it was like that was the excitement but
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  Speaker 1: you could already fit gibbs and all these other guys
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  Speaker 1: in your lineup so it's like you needed that cheap
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  Speaker 1: option there but at a onesie position and i brought
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  Speaker 1: up the example of like the the late scratch to
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: george pickens for the steelers a couple years back and
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: everybody ran to calvin austin the third and then fryer
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: moved to broke the slate it was the same type
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  Speaker 1: of idea though it's like how do i get a
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  Speaker 1: cheap guy to make this work but we actually wanted
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  Speaker 1: to get a more expensive receiver there wasn't a lot
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: of people that had gibbs jsn lineups but the winning
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: lineups were with gibbs jsn and that game stack which
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: sadiq also fit into still accordingly so crazy that hoop
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: had the call gino verse gino versus detroit Same as
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: his Millie maker over stack, got the job done. I just,
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it. He got to all of it,
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  Speaker 1: but with pretty much everything else going on that game was,
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  Speaker 1: it was what you needed for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was a fun slate for sure. I mean, JSN,
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  Speaker 2: how good is he?
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: Very good.
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm in Rado, Justin Jefferson. Like you, you needed
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  Speaker 2: to spend up at running back Warren. Oh my goodness.
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: His 25 or whatever he had could have been 40.
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: Like no one ran worse than Jalen Warren with the
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: DK hold the, The field getting him, I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was bad.
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  Speaker 1: He was very bad. One of the worst. The other
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  Speaker 1: one was the best one of the day for me, though.
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  Speaker 1: I just talked about it. I loved it. It was
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  Speaker 1: the Purdy run. 35-yard touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: I was, what?
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  Speaker 1: Whistle.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 1: They show the replay. Kittle, it's at the damn line.
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  Speaker 1: Purdy's in the box. And this guy's like a little push.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my God. And I loved it
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  Speaker 1: because the next play, Purdy throws it to Kittle.
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: Ball don't lie.
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: Mic drop. Just right on them refs. crazy shit the
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: brazil game was nuts last night's game started slow but
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: then really picked up crazy at the end i mean
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: we've got some really good football this weekend it's always
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: nice to have some sweats and some action but uh
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: got to enjoy it too like you said when you're
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: checking the app and looking for these things hopefully you're
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: looking for things that are going your way but anything
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  Speaker 1: else on the recap.
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  Speaker 2: Are you good no yeah you said you like this
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: slate i'm kind of more indifferent to it so i'm
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: excited uh to follow your lead but yeah i'm i'm
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start saying.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: Like you say then, because you told me last Monday
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: you didn't really like the slate and you go ship it.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: And then I like Thursday and then I didn't ship it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I'm back to where I want
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  Speaker 2: to be.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: Man, the Tambo optimism is just way too high. I'm
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: always like, I love it. Just start hating shit, man.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it'll go your way. This is the thing. But
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  Speaker 1: Nice day. I mean, yesterday was good. Could have been
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  Speaker 1: a lot better. And speaking of Warren, that was a
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: 2v2 away in the big $ 3, 300 million fan duel. I
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: had freaking Jadarian Price and the Saints D, which our
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: projections like both those spots, but obviously Warren would pop more,
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  Speaker 1: but I already had like Walker Gibbs, Wilson, Purdy, Kittle.
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  Speaker 1: He was pretty chalk stacked up. So I went a
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: little bit different, had a chance if I had, I
• 7:38
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  Speaker 1: 250 K. So it would have been a one 75
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  Speaker 1: K chop, but, um, didn't go there. So I'm fine
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: with it. We'll move on. Let's get onto the slate.
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• 9:17
  Speaker 1: other stuff, but just to note it on this one,
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: like we talk pre-show You're going to give the grand
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: scheme overview today, but it looks like Zach Ertz is
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: going to be back in the mix. Expected to be
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: activated off the practice squad for week three. Give us
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: your grand scheme overview for the Eagles at the Bears here.
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: This lower spread that I think people thought, or however
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: you want to look at it. I think people thought
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: it would be more in the Eagles' favor.
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest, I haven't, I guess, been for
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: over a year and a half, but I don't think
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: this Eagles team is as good as the public really does.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: And I really do expect Ben Johnson and his coaching
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: staff and I mean, now their ability with the one-two
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: punch of DeAndre Swift and Menungai, even with a backup quarterback,
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: Case Keenum, you would expect it to be uh wider
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: but i think they can run the football can try
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: and control the line of scrimmage i mean i remember
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: last year when these two teams played off very well
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: because played the eagles and survivor pretty deep and they
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: just could not stop the run and the time of
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: possession was very much so on the on the um
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  Speaker 2: bear side so i could see that repeating again now
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: as far as dfs I always like to look at
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: the captain stuff right away. Only one in Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 2: showing above 20%. Even when you do play him, what's
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: nice though in showdown because of the tush-push equity, his
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: running upside, that you can play him in a lot
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: of unique ways. You don't have to just play him
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: with two receivers or three. You can, but it almost
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: gets more contrarian when you do it that way. I
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: could see Saquon moonwalking back a little bit. He left
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: last week's game in I think the first drive with
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: the stinger, but he practiced fully. I'm expecting him to
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: be full go. In terms of value though, it's really
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: tough on this slate. And that's why I do think
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: we're going to see a lot more middling builds. Like
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: both kickers are projected for over 20%. Eagles defense is
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: projected for over 20%. Lemon almost there. Wicks is going
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: to be one of the chalkiest in the 4K range.
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  Speaker 2: Gleef Raymond almost 20%. Because when you go down to
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: like the 2Ks and stuff, there really isn't many appealing options.
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  Speaker 2: So I do think people will jam one of the
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  Speaker 2: studs for the most part up top. and then kind
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  Speaker 2: of balance it out from there. And I don't mind
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: mid-tier captains today when we talk about that because of
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  Speaker 2: how bad the value is.
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the interesting things that I would just
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: add to that, I think it was a great breakdown.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: The middling factor stands out to me because what is
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: interesting or unique to this is, like I said, already
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: the spread's a little bit tighter than most would expect.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: So that naturally makes people sometimes go more to like
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: a Philly 4-2 as opposed to all the way to
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  Speaker 1: the 5-1. Or If they are getting to 5-1, it's
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: obviously way more likely going to be on the Eagles' side.
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: But with some of those middling builds, if you look,
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: and we'll get there later, in the flex, you don't really...
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: On the... Eagle side, you've got Hertz, 10.8, Barkley, 10,000,
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  Speaker 1: Devonta Smith, 10.6. And then you got like Wix, Lemon,
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  Speaker 1: guys like that at 4K and the cheap 2K tight ends.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: But if you go to the Bears side, you already
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: have DeAndre Swift just under 10K. You've got Burden, 7,600, Odunze, 7,400, Loveland,
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: So it's like all the 10K guys are on Philly,
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: besides Swift, kind of, and Keenum's even down. But then
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: all the mid-range guys, Keenum 8400 and those two receivers
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  Speaker 1: in tight end that I mentioned are all in that
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: 7K to 8K range. So it's a really interesting dynamic
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: when you're thinking about how people are going to actually
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: build lineups. And that's what we spend more time on.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows out there watching the shows, picking winners and
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: all this. They're not going to tell you. They're going
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: to tell you a bunch of shit, but they don't
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: know who it's going to be. But we're going to
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: tell you how to build lineups. That's what the Stone 2.0
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: is for. I'm going to bring it up to here.
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: Two-man booth today. It kind of shows off a little
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: bit better when there's three people on. Same screen size,
• 12:49
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• 12:52
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• 12:54
  Speaker 1: There's the projections, which you can use within SaberSim if
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: you're a SaberSim member. There is the showdown stone, which
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: is the original non-interactive version of what we're about to use.
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  Speaker 1: There's the slate station, which combines all of the content
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  Speaker 1: we put out written. So the cores, the tower by
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: our guy, BG Little Neck, the cash plays, the breakdown
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: from the show. If you miss this show or you
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: can't watch it back, you can check it out there.
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  Speaker 1: But the Showdown Stone 2.0 is what we're on. And
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: I sorted it here now by ownership. And this is initial.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys won't catch these numbers later. It doesn't
• 13:25
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• 13:27
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• 13:38
  Speaker 1: we're starting at the Captain here. And I'll let you
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: go first, Tidal, with this. But you mentioned it, like
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: how these lineups might be built, what we'll end up seeing.
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  Speaker 1: It does look, to your point, like Jalen Hurts will
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  Speaker 1: just be the top dog and then go down from there.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: But if Barkley comes back a little bit, Devontae probably
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  Speaker 1: stays about the same. Like, I just don't know that
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of Chicago guys can get pushed up. And
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of wide receivers tonight being
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: up top. I mean, Devontae Smith, sure. But, you know,
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: even his number is kind of middling after that, like
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Bird way down there, Wicks, Odunze, et cetera, et cetera,
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: et cetera. So give me your thoughts here at the captain.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys are overpriced. It's not only is it
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: a 41 and a half total, which isn't great, but
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: with the backup quarterback in Case Keenum, And really, again,
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think that the Eagles want to drop back
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: hurts like Ford is too much if they don't have to.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Both of these passing attempt props are some of the
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: lowest or some of the on the low end that
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: we've seen both twenty eight and a half for the
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: passing attempt prop, which then leads to these receiving yard
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: props being terrible. Like Luther Burden is thirty six and
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: a half. Colson Loveland, thirty one and a half. A doomsday,
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: twenty five and a half. Raymond, twenty three and a half.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: This Bears offense is is not condemned for the first place.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: because they have two running backs, and then they mix
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: in the Adunze, Raymond, Colson Loveland. So when it's a
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: lot of options, when they all look to be overpriced,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: when they're not expected to score as many points, it
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: is just very difficult to play too many Bears at captain.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: I think the only one I'm really going to roll
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: is DeAndre Swift, and I think Menungai might be second.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: It's just a very contrarian option. Again, I think this
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: team's going to run the football a ton. So 5,600,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: I don't mind Menungai. as a mid-tier captain at 2%. Otherwise,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: it's really swift. Dontavian Wicks, our guy, is a lot
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: cheaper than Bird and cheaper than Adunze. And he has
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: the second highest receiving prop in this game at 43.5 yards.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Devontae Smith, 71.5. So I do think, when I talk
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: to middling captains I think are in play, Wicks is
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite captains. And then when you play him, again,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: don't leave $ 100 and build with the chalk. But I
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if Wicks... Wicks could be the highest,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: have the most receiving yards on the slate or score
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: two touchdowns. He is very involved in this offense. So
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: him and Monunga I'm fine with. And then I'm going
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: to play the chalk up top. But I think Barkley
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: is my favorite because it kind of leverages some of
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: that Jalen Hurts captain who's going to be higher and
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Devonta Smith. If Hurts or Saquon is the one dominating
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: on the ground, those two very well could bust. And
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: that's a way to leave more salary and stuff to
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: get different. So I'm on the running game on both
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: sides and then mainly Wicks as my favorite receiver at price.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think... to be honest, all these, like the
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: captains feel pretty efficient for what we're seeing here right now.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: But I think where it gets interesting is how you
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: play them after the fact, because, because of the way
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: we talked about it earlier with like the values and stuff,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: like if someone goes Barkley, I could see them still.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I know it doesn't always correlate or how people like
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: to look at it, but if you go here and
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I'll now go to flex because I have my captain in,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you could say like, people might still try and put,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: you know, hurts. And then they still have 6,000 left
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: per player. So it's like, all right, well, I could
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: get the other quarterback. I could get, oh, I like it.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Who cares what they like? Let's just say it's, you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: what do we see in the ownership for Flex? Loveland,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Burden's right there. So let's just say it's Burden. We'll see.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: It's not Odunze versus those two, but let's say it's that.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: You still have 4,100. And now you've got the cheap
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Eagles tight ends, or you've got different options that you
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: can go to down there on the Philly receivers with
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Lemon and with Wick. So this lineup kind of just
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: fills itself out, but it's to your point. it might
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: not be the best way to use these options when
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you're doing this. So if you go back to captain
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: here for a second, one thing I would note is like,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: it might be interesting to have like a Wix and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: then Hertz. You've got about 8,000 left. You could run
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: like a nice two, four. Now you've got to just
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: hope the other stays condensed, but yeah, but it's a
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: different way to do it. Or if you're running, let's say, Oh,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: someone says, okay, well, four twos are popular tonight. Well,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: this is a two four that we're talking about where
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: you're putting a Eagles captain with Hertz, just using an
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: example and then four bears. But also if you were
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: thinking like the other way, and I think you and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I both think this, I just showed an example of
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: why the three threes are going to be pretty popular
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: tonight because Well, 3-3s will be popular, but they'll be
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: popular with Hertz, Barkley, and Smith up top. So if
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you're playing Burden or Loveland or something like that in
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a 3-3, you're like, well, but they said 3-3s were popular. Well,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: they are, but it's who's within them and how are
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they being built. Again, not who you play, how you
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: play them. This is the setup. It's you can move
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: these guys around and still have unique constructions. Almost like
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: in a, you know, we just did a bunch of
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: lineup breakdowns on takedown breakdown, but you see the line
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: and be like, Oh man, I was right. It had Warren.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: It had Gibbs. It had Wilson. Like, I feel like
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I should have had that lineup, but it's, it's, they
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: put them all together and then still got other stuff
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: in it. That's a little bit unique. Like the JSN separator.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: How many people had Wilson and Gibbs? Lots. How many
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: people had Wilson Gibbs and JSN in the same lineup?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, those versions that made it to the top, yes,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: but not very many as a whole, right? It gets
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: much lower the higher you go up like that. So
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: thinking about the build type matters also in blending it
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: with who your captain is. If you're going to play,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I'm a none guy captain. Well, I don't care anymore
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: if three threes are... I didn't flip it, but I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: don't care anymore if you think that... three threes are
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: too popular to play there. There's almost no Menungai captains
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to start with, let alone three threes of Menungai. So
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: it's like, you can do whatever you want once you
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: have that in there as a, as a way to
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: get different. So, um, side note, the chat's talking about
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it and you're a big, uh, Justin Jefferson guy. There
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: was a different JJ though, coming from that squad, getting
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: moved over today. So did you have any comments on
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: this real quick?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, we, I hope the best for him.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Like it could not have been any worse, uh, the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: year prior. Like it's, I mean, he's a human being.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Like it's, He's trying to play at the highest level
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: he did at Michigan. Now, granted, they ran the ball
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: a ton. He needs a lot to work on, but
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I always cheer for Pete. like that. I mean, he's
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: been a meme. He's been a joke. It's because he
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: played like a joke, but he's still young. People can
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: get better, so I'm cheering for him because it couldn't
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: have been any worse to start his career.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe the JJ stands for just joking, and he comes
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: back and.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Says he didn't play well, but What about Michael Wilson,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: by the way, though? How good is he?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: How good is he? So that was my FanDuel Millie
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: line of the 3300. I had it with Purdy, Kittle,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and Wilson.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And that was the nice setup there. It had Gibbs
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: with Wilson. It had... who's got, Oh, it had a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Walker and somebody, I mean, it was, it was a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: beautiful lineup. Just those last two that I needed to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: fix up and it would have been a six figure day,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: but just saying that Wilson, we talked about yesterday, just
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: another good day. And he, he went, man, it for
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a while. It was like, man, he's not even catching
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: much or getting, and then all of a sudden.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Nothing. And then 25, next thing you know, you look,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's Jacoby Bursette and that team too. Like
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: we talked about, he did so many outs. I mean,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the garbage time, it was, I guess, garbage time. They
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: fought back, but yeah, they never take their foot off
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the gas and they dropped back a ton.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A hundred percent. Did you have like a, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I don't, not to rank them necessarily, but like, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: rounding it out. Is there anybody, I guess, just sort
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: of rounding it out and then I'll just give a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: couple more things.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: You said ranking captain.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned it, you already kind of went
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: through everybody there, but is there anything now based on
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: our conversation back and forth where you're like, yeah, I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: probably like, let's use Keenum. I was going to say him. Like,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I just don't know. how much Keenum I get to,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: even when I get to the Chicago builds, I have
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: other builds I'd like better currently, but what's your thoughts
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: on Keenum?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I'll probably get zero at captain. I mean, some of
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the flex, we just talked about it recently. Who was
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: someone was like 30% own quarterback in the flex. And
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I always play that spot, but it's really hard to
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: see him. If he had like a 300 plus yard game,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, Hey, that's his passing props, like 186. If
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: it feels too thin for me, if the bears win
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: this game, I think it's, mainly on the ground, or
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: it'd be like Burden just breaking it or Colson Loveland
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: scoring two touchdowns. I'd rather play the skill position players.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But again, I don't see myself playing even too many
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of the Bears skill position players. I think they can
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: win this game and still have an eagle at captain.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Like I'm more willing to do a 2-4 like we
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: talked about with one of these Eagles guys, just hoping
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: everything funnels through them since it's more condensed. And then
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: you can play more Bears players. But man, it's really
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: tough when you get to these Bears with how spread
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: out they are, and they all seem overpriced. But what's
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: also interesting in this slate is Devonta Smith, Saquon, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Hertz are all above 10K. Then the next highest price
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: is the Eagles defense at 5,200. It just shows how
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: they're so top-heavy. It runs through the same people. But
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I do think Wicks is very underpriced in this spot.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And I don't mind Lemon if you want to Do
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that as well at 4,200. But those are two guys
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I like a lot and the ability to leave money
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: on the table when playing them because they will be owned.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: But 4,400, 4,200, easier to leave like 2K on the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: table and you're not giving up too much upside.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I truly believe you can leave at least, what
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: would it be? Quick math here. 6,200 on the table.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Devonta Smith.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Tonight because I'll, I will definitely have lines where I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just play wicks in Smith spot. Like, and I know
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: like people, if you're hand building, it's easier to like
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: paint this picture. What we're saying of like, if you
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: had a hand build and you're like, man, I love
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: this lineup. It uses 50 K. It has Devonta Smith.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: People will not be able to leave those five median
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: projected points on the table very often, but that's nuts
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in showdown, first of all, but they also, but if
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I do this, I got to upgrade this. It's just
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: not true always. And it's like at the end of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the day, you could see a slate where Wicks beats
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Smith straight up and the rest of the lineup still
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: goes with like what would have been. And he doesn't
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: really do much at all. We've seen tons of slates
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: like that. There was slates like that last year. We
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: talked about in the past of like AJ Brown on
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the Eagles and Jahan Dotson beat some straight up like for,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: for all the points. So, Lots of opportunities, man. I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: talk about it all the time, but this is one
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: where you actually have them, others maybe not. And even
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: with the efficient captains, like I talk about, meaning I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: see why when you go here, we know why these
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: are the most owned captains and why it's going to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: be pretty condensed to those four. The reason I say
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: that as an extra point is because to my previous point,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I actually, and what I was going to add to it,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: was I actually liked Devonta Smith at the captain position.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: more than I like him in the flex. So it's like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I want him to be the guy and somehow make
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: this thing work or not at all. And it's not sad.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I won't have anything like that. That's just, you get
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: builds that make sense. They end up in them. I'm
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: just explaining the concept. And most people, as we know
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: from doing these shows for many years are trying to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: figure out how to play, uh, five to 10 lineups
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: or one to 10 lineups, one to 20 lineups. Like
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: it's not, not everybody's playing 150. So we always try
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and help, you know, explain the difference of like a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: portfolio versus cause you'll see a guy like I had
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a lineup last night with a, wasn't Adkins. I think
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I could have fit Adkins or whatever that guy's name is.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: They got the touchdown, but it's like, I think I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: had like Prentice or something ended up in a build.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And we, we talked about this because our guy Jay
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Walken last week said, I think he had like, one
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to three Hooper lineups in his 50 lineups or something.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And he ended up winning 54 K with Hooper in his,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: in his builds. And he's like, I was going to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: probably get rid of the guy, but you entitled and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: hoop said, don't do that. And so I left him
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and sure enough, it only takes one to get through.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: And he ended up, that was cool to see. Cause yeah, some,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: something applying what they saw on the show. And then
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the next day that just absolutely. Yeah. And I've learned
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that way too. Like I said, it helped me. I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: used to make that mistake.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So It's definitely a learning experience. I'd love to see that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Plus Jay Watkins, an awesome dude, Michigan guy met him
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: at the live final deer hoop. And I were there
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: at the fantasy golf world championship was out with his
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: kids at the course, really good dude, deserving, awesome job.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: That was a crazy sweat. He went from one 52
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: point all the way down to way less than 50.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: That game was wild.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that, was that now that I'm trying to remember
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it all though, was that the Knowlesman solo ship?
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's like, that's what's even crazier about it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Cause it was such a unique lineup that it was
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: still a solid, like a less than 10 dupes type thing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: But the first prize I think was all to Knowlesman.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. Maybe it wasn't and I'm wrong. And
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that was a different one, but that's the nice part.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Like last night was trending that way until it wasn't
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: where if you have a a lot of people up
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: top and like someone's winning all the money or two
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: people are chopping it. It's, you are still getting a
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: decent prize if you're not getting into these, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: 50 way chops. Like we see that. That's the nice
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: part about building your lineups that way. When you get
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a sweat. like you said, why I like to go
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and look, it could be a real sweat. It's for
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: real money. It's just things can change quickly no matter what.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Anything else up top that you want to talk about
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: with any of these other dudes? I think like someone
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: said it earlier, but like Loveland coming out to play,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: if this is going to be like a slog over
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the field, the one thing we've talked a lot about lately,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: like if this plays to the total, you could definitely
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: see a game where it's like a Loveland touchdown and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: some grabs and Keenum leans on him and it just
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: ends up where he's that, but the other side is
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, a little bit more spread
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: out than what you would see on paper. The pricing
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: shows how tight it is. It's, it's Hertz, it's Barkley
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and it's Smith. You just made this point, but they
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: do have Wicks, Lemon, Cooper, Munt, Ertz, other guys. So
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it's like, you could still see that somewhat. And if
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the game stays lower, then it would matter more. So
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it's all just how you build and what game you're
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: building for.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I at this point
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: would almost want it to be Keenum over Caleb because, A,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you're getting the discount to Colson Loveland. Now, I'm making
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the case for him, and then I'm going to say, well,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I'm probably not going to play it. But it's just
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: been so bad in the first two weeks with Caleb,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: like no targets. Now Keenum, a backup quarterback, might rely
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: on his big athletic tight end. Now his ownership is
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: going to be lower because the total is lower. They're
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: supposed to score more points. So to be contrarian, that's
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the case. It's more unique. For me, though, I mean,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: he's 31 and a half receiving prop, three and a
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: half reception prop with pretty good juice on the under. Like, man,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: that is really hard to put up top at 7K,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: which is why his ownership's there. But I just, again,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to run the football really heavy.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I think Menungai and DeAndre Swift, both their rushing attempt props,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: they both might hit the over when it's all said
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: and done. I really think they're going to try and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: play this game to the under, hold the possession, have
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: their defense win the game, who played great against the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Vikings last week.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting for sure. We do have
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Loveland in our stuff showing up currently more optimal, but
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it's not like it's that much more than Menungai. And
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: obviously Menungai costs a little bit more, but still like
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that call out of like, if you're definitely in on Swift,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that's how they control this game. That's how they control
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the clock. That's how they lean in their favor. It
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: is still a really good Bears team, just different quarterback.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Like you said, that's in there. So at the end
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: of the day, good coach, all of those factors at home.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: bunch of different things. But to me, I like that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: call out of like using a, someone like a menung
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: guy there or Swift and just building down from that way.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And I think even if you played like going to flex,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: we'll get there later. But if you played like Swift
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and the bears D, I think you can still play
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: those big boy, uh, Eagles. Like they got to get you.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: They can, some people will go, they don't want to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: play the bears versus hurts versus, uh, hurts, but it's like, you,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you could definitely still do that on this slate. No problem.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: So All right, let's go to other stuff with the quarterbacks.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And you mentioned like the flex. This is something I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: just like to look at quickly. It's not like I'm
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: trying to flip it or something. It's just the note that,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you know, Keenum, he's only gonna be 5%, 6% of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the captain. So if he's only gonna be 35 ish
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in the flex, I mean, he's on four out of
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: every 10 lineups, not, you know, any versus like Hertz
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: is gonna be on eight out of every 10, not,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you know, a big boy number. So any extra thoughts
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: on Keenum in the flex or like anything special there?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Fine with it, but I still think like any, yeah,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you can plug in Case Keenum and then you can
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: play Khalif Raymond and leave the 5K or whatever, or 4600,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, and be fine in the vacuum. Any
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Keenum team can go to Lemon or Wick, so... I'm
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: fine with it. But, man, it's a pocket passer with
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: no mobility on, I mean, one week. I didn't even
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: know it was going to be him. Like, they got
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that Badgett guy, too, who I think is better, but
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: he was dealing with some stuff. So I don't even
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: know for sure when he knew he was going to play.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I assume probably beginning of the week. It's not the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: best matchup. I think they're going to run the ball.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I'm fine with them in the flex, but I'd be
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: lying if I loved it. I could see that 35
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: going back a little bit, though, because when you play him,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: it is harder to play Swift. You can still play
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: these guys, but it's harder to play multiple of Swift, Hurts, Barkley, Smith,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and the field is definitely going to prioritize them.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was just yesterday, like just talking about it,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: is the Case Keenum, Bajan injury revealed ahead of the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Bears game. I think people thought it was going to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: be Bajan. Then, you know, the concussion serving as the backup, though. So, like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: there's still room for some wild stuff here tonight, man.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: It's just the way showdown always goes. But we knew,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: like you said, who knows when he eventually found out.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But the Bajan stuff, if you just search on DFSOS.com
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: by Bajan, you can get the quick latest news on
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that and sort of, Find your way back because it
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: updates from all different sources. But it looks like Keenum
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: on track was a day ago. Badgett clears concussion protocol.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So when was it? Just nothing more than a day ago.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Two days ago. They clarified Badgett was going through the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: concussion protocol. So it's, I mean, just very recent that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: this sort of came through and then he took the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: necessary steps to practice. That's not like following the news
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit. It's not like it helps with picking
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the lineups or anything like that, but just knowing kind
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: of what's going on to your point of Keenum. just
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: kind of finding out that it's going to be him
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and rolling in there and having to be ready to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: go makes it somewhat interesting. Hurts, I think just, you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: for me, a lot of, you know, flex for sure,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: but also it's going to be accordingly. Like if I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: have Barkley up top, it's not, I'm not ruling this out.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'll be thinking about that. Like usually
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: if Barkley's up top, you're going to have, you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: PPR guys or defenses or things like that, that you
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: can find in the flex more often than you'll find
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the quarterback. And then obviously the, the two of them
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: on a single slate, makes more sense than on a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: main slate when they can sort of cannibalize each other
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: when you get down to the goal line with the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: tush push and all those things. But anything else you
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: want to add at quarterback? If not, it'll get busier now,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: talking running back, wide receiver, and tight ends. But anything
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: else at the quarterback or on the Hurts side?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: No, yeah. The more I think about it, though, the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: less I like Keenum. I mean, 38 years old, I
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: think I'm expecting a lot of quick routes, get the
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: ball out fast, make his life easy. And my favorite
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: would be Burden. I know he's the most expensive, but
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: he's the most– electric and maybe a play action, a
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: couple of them to take a deep shot will be needed.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And he's the one to stretch the defense, but no,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that's all I got running back. I think it's pretty clear.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's Swift and Mununga and you don't have
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to worry about anything else. You can play them both again.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I believe I don't have the exact numbers, but when
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: they played last last year in like week 12 or
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving weekend, they really use both of them and just
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: pounded the football. A lot of third and shorts made
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: life really easy. Granted, again, it's easier with Cale Williams
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and his rushing upside. The defense has to account for him.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: But I am fine with Mnangai and Swift in the
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: same lineup as well, getting almost all of the work.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: As far as the Eagles side, oh, man. Obviously, Saquon.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I think he's a good play. But, like, Tank's 5K.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Shipley's 3,400. They're clearly pivots in that kicker defense and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Wicks range. He's going to be lower owned than all
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of them. But if Saquon... doesn't get hurt. He has,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: he had a stinger, like he's going to be having
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: his normal workload. What does tank need to do at 5k?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Probably a touchdown. That's plus 650. That's like Saquon breaking
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: off a long run or catch and needing a breather
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and him just punching it in. And again, with the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: tush push equity, it's pretty tough. Like it's almost, you're
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: playing it just to be straight contrarian. And Will Shipley
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: actually has a real price tag at 3,400 too. So
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I think I really probably only have three running backs
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in my pool and that's the, Saquon, Swift, Mnangai, but
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I do like all three. I think I prefer more
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: at the captain, at least Saquon, Swift than the flex,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: but I don't know if that's necessarily true. I just,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: they both can fully get there. The best two touchdown
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: props on the slate, minus 110 Saquon, plus 100 Swift.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: The next best is Hertz at plus 160. So I
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: do think you want running backs in this game.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I think the double. So we had the Bijan, Brian Robinson.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: When was that? Thursday?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Thursday night football. We got the Bijan up top, Brian
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Robinson and the flex. You can have a swift, but
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: none guy flip. And it could be either of them
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: because they both are just so electric with the ball
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: at hand. And then. Like you said, you could get
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: some check downs from Keenum, get the ball out quick.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: It's to one of those guys. And then they just
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: get free and get loose. So I think that's interesting.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I also think it would be interesting just to use
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: both of them together in the flex, even like you get,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: then you can really stack up the way the pricing
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: sorts out. It's like, you'd have nobody of Keenum, Keenum,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: no burden, no Loveland, no, uh, Odun say not like
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: you'd be getting nothing else on Chicago. It would be
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a four, two, but how many people are going to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: run a four, two with money on the table with, um,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: two bears running backs. And people say, well, some are
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: for sure. But then again, who's your captain. That's another thing.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: So four twos are popular. I think some people are
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: going to run the two running backs together. Fine. But
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: then what's your setup with the lineup and the captain
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and how many things there. So one back, this one
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: was from earlier, uh, Earth's captain.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Not for me. I don't even know how many snaps
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: he's going to play. He would need two touchdowns. I'll, I'll,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I'll have some of the flex for sure. But what
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: about you? Are you going to have any? Yeah, I
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: think he's cheap enough on a slate where no one's
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: cheap that I get, I mean, Higby had a great
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: game yesterday, so I don't mess.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: It up for that. That's what I was going to say.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: That lineup everyone's talking about. That was up there. That's
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the one. And you saw it too, that that was
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a Higby, Higby build, right? Go collect said it came close.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares. Work harder. That's why we got the sign man.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: But the, the thing about hurts and I don't like,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: he's not Goddard first of all, but, and he's literally
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: coming back from who knows what's going on.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Like he wasn't with a terrible leg injury that he
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: was rehabbing from, from us.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: So it's like the only thing is, and it would
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: be crazy. I mean, I don't foresee this by any means,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: but it'd be building for it, but like two, one
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: yard touchdowns. What's that do? and then you kind of
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: can fit whatever you want. You'd have to get different
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: combos around it, but I just don't know if he's
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: going to be like you got last night as a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: prime example, to me, Ertz people know the name, but
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: like nobody's clicking Ertz tonight. He's a, he's at Higby
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: levels of captain ownership. And that's the difference. It's, it's
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: when like, I think people don't focus on this enough
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: or follow it or understand it or whatever, but it's like,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find an example. There's not many on
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: this slate to be honest, but let's say Wicks got
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: steamed up to like four or 5% in the captain three,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: three to 5%. It's not about the three to 5%
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: because that's not that much still in the, in the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. But what people are missing is
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: like when it's a very popular value play captain, uh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: then that allows you just to jam in the five
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: best plays. Like I hope you're playing a 10 person
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: or less tournament. And even there, it might still be
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: duped because if it's that popular and it checks out
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that well, then people could be on it. But when
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it's Higby, when the whole world's on Ferguson and then
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: there's other options and there's all of these things, the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: way that works is, Not only do you leave some
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: money on the table so you make sure you don't
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: completely dupe it. That's why my Higbee was a unique
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: lineup last night. The other Higbee that was in first
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: was only duped once. And that's just luck of the draw.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: There's so many tournaments. It was playing to be a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: solo though. So it's like, that's the difference. If you
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: have a guy like that tonight that you like, like
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: an Ertz or a Lemon or something like that, like
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Lemon might be one or 2%. Just don't max it
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: all out and then think about the rest of the lineup.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But you're not really getting... Um, you know, a scenario
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: like last night where it was like, Ferguson was jammed
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: at the captain already knowing on Higby. Well, that's to me,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that's where you're looking for leverage that you can get it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: And it's not that crazy. Like Higby had a better
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: game because no Ferguson coming back, or he kind of
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: came back to the sideline, never came back in, but
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That's a spot where you
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: can also leverage it. So it's just, I don't like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: playing the cheap captains in the lottery style portfolio tournament
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: type stuff. where you're just going to land on the
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: same lineup as everybody else. I don't know if you
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: got anything else to add there.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: No, you just need them when you're doing that. Yeah,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: like when you're making the punts, even if no one
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: has them, don't fall into the same roster build. But
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: on most slates, you still need them to usually have
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: a solid game, and Pigby most definitely had a solid game.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: You didn't need them either. Like, stay off my grass
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: is right. I mean, how classic to have a name
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: as stay off my grass. Like, old man yells at
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the cloud. We're not talking about this, the winner. We're
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: talking about how you can use a certain play to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: your advantage. And it's not, again, not about the play.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: It's how you play them. We're talking about how that
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: would work to your advantage on a slate like this,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: where you're getting unique, being able to actually have a
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: chance to ship the whole tournament outright for all the money,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: but not be playing stupid. It's like, obviously Higby could
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: catch passes, whether or not Ferguson stayed healthy or not.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: It gets better if Ferguson leaves the game, but you're
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: not building it or cheering for that. It's just noting
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: how you could use it to your advantage. My last
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: thing on wide on running back, then we'll go to
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: wide receiver. I don't know who it's going to be,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: but if you had the bill, like, I think there
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: could be like a Bigsby spot. I know you mentioned
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: him quickly and like kind of thought around it and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: obviously Shipley's still there and all that and ship it nation.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: We kind of got to play them. You're, you got
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to just, you know, endorse it. But just noting like
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: those guys, it's what type of build are you putting
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: them into? And that's what you have to think about.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So Eagles dominate. I think it would be my favorite,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: almost prefer them with Saquon, kind of like how Bijan
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and Brian got there on Thursday where, I mean, why
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: roll Bijan out there? Let's get Brian in the box.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Eagles up 28-3 or something. Then you'll see them come
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: in and by then Saquon already does the damage. That's
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: my favorite scripts to put those. guys in.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: There's the core tonight. It's, it's Barkley captain, Bigsby flex, Eagles,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: D flex, run it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: See what happened. Can you get the late pick? Can
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: you get the late pick six? Like the Broncos got
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: it done, but yeah, also to the, that was crazy. Like,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: like Higby would have been there if it wasn't for Mumfield,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: like another cheapie just had to nuke one drive, three
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: straight balls and just boom. Like that's the reason that,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: and Nevis had a great game. So things got jumbled
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: up at the bottom where everyone smashed, but if Mumfield
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't have that drive, like you need, you need Higby. Yeah. Agreed.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And it's like, that's also a product of how the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: slate plays out. Like you said, you get that Mumfield
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: huge touchdown and all that stuff is just crazy. But
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the Denver, I forgot about that. The Denver, touchdown at
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the end the broncos so that's that's crazy as well
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: but yeah you need that take us into wide receiver
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: title we talked a little bit about our boy wicks
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you know devonta smith obviously the guy getting the most
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: ownership you mentioned about uh burdens abilities and what he
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: could do for your lineup and sort of he could
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: open this game up too right if they get something
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: going to him early or anything like that so think
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: about it from that perspective but what's your thoughts here
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Easy on the Eagle side, it's Wicks, Devonta Smith, Lemon.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: When we're talking flex, to be honest, I'd probably go Wicks, Lemon,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Devonta Smith. Honestly, I don't love too much salary, $ 4, 400, $ 4, 200.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Good price tags, ability to leave money. Like you said,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you're going to have some Smith teams that go directly
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: to Wicks. I probably will myself. On the Bears side,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Adunze is just so overpriced, in my opinion, even though
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: he's going to be the lowest-owned player. In the flex,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I do think Adunze probably lower on than Raymond when
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: it's all said and done. We have it pretty close.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: But 7,400, just really hard for me to get there.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Bird in 7,600, I'll definitely take some shots at. Just
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: the best receiver can get the ball in his hands
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: in different ways. But still, the props are bad for
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: pretty much all these guys at price. Raymond, though, I
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: do like a decent bit at 3,800. But man, Raymond, Kalief, Raymond, Chalk,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: it's kind of what we're looking at. He's getting a
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: good amount of targets. None of them are really downfield
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: for much. So I feel like it's a floor play
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and a floor play at chalk in a large field tournament.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: It's not my favorite way to go about it. So
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I really don't love this bears stuff as much, but
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: then the whole field bills, the Eagles. So I'm almost
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: forced to play some. And that kind of comes back to,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I just, I don't love this late personally, but Hey,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I'm happy kind of because again, last week I didn't like,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: and I won and I liked, and I lost. So yeah,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I'm still playing it. Of course.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What's your thoughts on this? We'll give it to
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the chat. Like this question from our boy, Sean Sully says,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: do you think they incorporate Barkley more in the passing
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: game with Goddard out now?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they should. I think it probably depends more on
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: what the bears defense does. Are they getting aggressive? Are
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: they playing zone one high safety to eye safety so
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: much in the NFL nowadays? I think they were talking
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: about it last night, Sunday night's game. I've watched so
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: many games. I don't know, but what the safeties do
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: pretty much depends on everything. When you play defense, too
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: deep nowadays, you're inviting the run and teams are more
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: likely to do it. If you're getting all run over,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: then you stack the box more and you play one safety,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: they take shots. So I think it's really what the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: bears do on defense and how the game flow starts
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: depends on that. Um, but yeah, it'd be smart to,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder if the.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: E I mean, we'll get to the Eagles D later,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: but it's, it's a little inflated. I can see it
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: from ownership projections already. Cause people see going up against
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the third string quarterback, et cetera, et cetera.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: But, and just people can't go all the way down
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: like the one K two K options. I feel like
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: it just leads right into that kicker D Wicks lemon range.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: And it's pretty hard to ignore, but yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah. What are the Eagles 5,200 on this slate?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So they're like, you know, they're a lot more than
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: some of these other guys that you can play the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Eagles or you can play Wicks lemon, like you said, or,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Bigsby, you can play, there's a ton of
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: options you could flip to there as well. If you
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: don't think that's the case, but that would be like
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the other side putting up some points as well with Chicago.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: But I think it's at least somewhat interesting to.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Any other takes? Do you have differed for me? Like,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: are you playing or not? Of course you're playing. We
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: play a lot of teams, but like if you were
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: playing one team or something, Odunze, Kalief, Raymond, like what
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: do you think of these guys?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Not as high on Odunze or Raymond, right? I definitely
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: like Smith is still fine, especially like I said, I'll
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: put him in the captain more than the flex. Probably
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that's where I see an opportunity. Um, but if you're
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a Hertz captain, then, you know, I'm fine with Smith
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: in the flex if you're doing that. But like, I
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: like Wicks. I like Luther burden. The third, I like lemon. Uh,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the chat was talking with this guy. I got a
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: little bit of them in my run earlier too. Just
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the first look, but like, uh, Jadae Walker, I don't,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not, it's like always like, I know like it
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: is technically linked to this, but it's also just really,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: cause you're looking for like, options on the slate like
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: he's kind of the same price right in between urts
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: and months he's he's right there just above uh darius
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: cooper who i don't think anyone's really going crazy with
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: anyway but just noting it it's like they say like
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: oh but he played with keenum before you know in
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the preseason or whatever so it's like maybe maybe something
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: like that but i don't know he's not someone i'm
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: high on by any means so just noting it i
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: will say our guy um ham hock super high on
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: sadiq yesterday and says, hot take, Luther Burden scores a
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: 45-yard TD on a reverse. He's calling the whole way.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He's too sharp.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I tried to do that as a joke.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: This guy's actually calling the dead-on one. Like, he's 45
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: exact yards, full-on touchdown all the way there, and on
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: a reverse. What do you think about it? I mean,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you said it. This could be it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, too sharp is Hamai for sure. But I
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: do think, again, why Burden was my favorite is you
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: can get him the ball in multiple different ways, screens, reverses.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: play action downfield he's by far their most explosive so
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: i mean yeah if you if you call that i
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: mean yeah he went right down to the actual yardage
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: so that's a buy a lottery ticket or a lot
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: if you somehow think that one.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: If you get yeah if it's 44 though you're out
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: man yeah then don't do it sorry buddy not good
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: enough come back next year uh what.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Else Sadiq is a dog. I agree. Sorry.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: No, you're good. He definitely was yesterday for sure. And
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, he is, but I'm saying like the perfect
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: storm yesterday. And I think that's what we just went
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: through on takedown breakdown was like a lot of people
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: just immediately went to Williams. And it's like Sadiq was
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: right there already. No Mason Taylor on top of that,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: by the way.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: So it was the snap counts for me. But then
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I just looked this morning. He only played 58% of
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: snaps or in week three as well, because he went
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: 42% to 36%, which is what scared me. Then he
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: only played 58% of snaps, though, in week three, and
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: he does that. So it shows that a lot of
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: his snaps are pretty high-leverage stuff. But, man, without Adani Mitchell,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: they clearly didn't like that Williams guy much. It was
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: just so concentrated between Garrett Wilson and Sadiq.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you saw that when you
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: looked at it, too, but I think someone was saying
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: this morning that he was out there a bunch, just
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: didn't go his way, and obviously still an option.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Williams? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was. I think he was.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Yeah, 89% of snaps. Like, it just, man,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: he was getting cardio in. Like, it was just Garrett
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Wilson and Sadiq. Like, there was no one else. But
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: for sure, someone that cheap that played that many snaps
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: in that game. It was a good play.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I think I saw it somewhere, but it was the follow-up.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Because Wilson got hurt late, and it almost was like
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: nothing was made of it because of the way that
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: everything happened. But did he end up just clearing concussion protocol,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: or what happened with him?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Do you know? I thought he– I didn't know that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: When I'm watching, I'm watching every single game on two
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: TVs and stuff and only being able to listen to one.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: So I didn't know that, to be honest. On his
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: touchdown or after his touchdown?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I thought it was like later in that game. I
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: was trying to see. Cleared after concussion evaluation. That's what
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: it was. It was very late in the game, but
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: he already did his work, so it didn't matter. But, yeah,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: that was one thing I wanted to see just to
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: be sure. How much of the Raymond stuff, our boy
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Nade says, is just Caleb making plays happen? Hard to say.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, the first week, obviously, was all those targets
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: that people saw, but we'd seen that before with guys.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: So it's always tricky to figure out, but that's why
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I prefer– I.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Mean, Caleb also can extend, like, the play more, and
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that necessarily is to Raymond's, like,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: strong suit. I think Raymond being the slot guy gadget
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: guy that get the ball quick for five yards might
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: even suit him more for Keenum, but I don't know.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So a couple of things here that all tie
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: together so we can move on after this, but just
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: like says, you know, everyone acting like the spread is
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: massive and it's 4.5. I think the bears are competitive home.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Hope the fee, hope the field keeps it like this
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: all day. I think you're right and wrong. Not rudely
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: just factory. I think like, yeah, everyone is acting like
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: it's a massive spread, but the lineups aren't acting like that.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: As we talked about off the top, like people are
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: not building the, a lot of five ones. You're seeing
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: four twos and three threes still be pretty prevalent, at
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: least from what I'm seeing early on. It's just too,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the way the builds work out, we explained, it's kind
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of like the pricing breakdown when there's all the 10
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: K guys on one side, all the mid range guys
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: on the other, and then flip back and say the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: values that people would want to play. Like, Wicks, Lemon,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and I'll give Ertz a little bit of credit just
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: for the name value, let's say. Well, that's going to
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: lean to a lot of 4-2 Philly and 3-3 Philly.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: So if you think it can be a close spread,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: but it can still be dominated by one side in
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: a DFS game, just like it can be a blowout
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: for a team and then other people can still come
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: along because the way one side's more condensed, one side
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: spreads out more. So the main thing I was getting
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: at here, Title, is just thinking about like how you're building.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I love Ross. He's always in the chat saying, you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: supporting Ross Klein. Great dude says, what about Cooper guy?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: We don't know if I knew I would just put
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: them in my lineups or not. Like, is it, no
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: one will know, but what you need to do is
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: build accordingly. So what lineup that you can see as
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: a possibility, it's like your, like our leverage lanes, your lane,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: what lineup would feature Cooper being involved? Is it, Uh,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: you know, Barkley goes up early Hertz isn't really needed,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: but late in the game, Cooper catches a touchdown. Then
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you got to build that that way. If it's no
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Hertz has himself a night and decides to get one
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: more and reward his boy, Cooper, at the end for
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the game-winning last week to give him another one this
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: week before they kind of settle off and sail into
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the sunset, well, then that's probably that lineup with Hurts
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: up top and Cooper in the flex. Is he the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Mumpfield of last night? And he fits in that way.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Is Jadae Walker the play in the same spot? It's
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: still a 5-1 or something heavy on Philly's side, But
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: it's like at the end of the game when Philly
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: lets off the gas, it's Jadae Walker getting a touchdown
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: because that's who Keenum knows. And I have Keenum still
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: in the damn game. Who knows? This guy can stay
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: healthy and take some of these hits. But just noting it,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: apply all these things. So it's not against Ross, just
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: using it as the example for you guys. But that
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: one is a big one for me. and why I
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: also like to check my lineups over when I build
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: my portfolio. Like I tell people this all the time,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: everybody just reviews the results. Well, first of all, most
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: people don't review shit title the next day. They just
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: move on deposit again and go play the next slate.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, For those that review, I think it's still
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: doing yourself a disservice when you just look at what
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: happened after the fact. Because first of all, I'm not
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: at results. I'm usually looking at like, how did I play?
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: What was my sim ROI? Like, how did things shake off?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I'm checking all that stuff. But I'm talking about checking
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: your lineups before you submit them. Same reason I don't
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: like to set a lot of rules in Showdown. Well,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I think you should do this. You should only do that. Well,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: but the answer is anybody thinking means they don't know.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: We're just thinking about it. So we don't know what
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the answer is. So we've got to build accordingly.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Is there anything.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Side note on like a strategy perspective, just like pre-slate, post-slate,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: anything that you do like that or differently that you
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: think others could apply to their game?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. I'm always looking at what I'm doing
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: versus what are the pros doing, how am I simming,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. One unfortunate thing, I guess it wasn't
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: necessarily unfortunate, but I don't build too early in the
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: sense of like I wait for news. But I do–
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: like I thought Zay was going to miss. So like
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: after the show and stuff, I was building– that. And
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: then I got most of it done, but because I'm
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: playing on multiple sites and different tournaments and cash and everything,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: then we got news that he was almost in. So
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I had to almost run my process and all this
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: stuff to get it in without being able to adjust
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: my own stuff. So like initially I'm building and I'm
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: bumping Michael Wilson and Trey McBride and all this, but
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: then now I'm flagged for time because got to get
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: FanDuel and Giraffe Kings in and then cash. And then
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I really just had to kind of trust the process,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: which Again, you should have a process for reasons like that,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: and I felt good about it, but this year I
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: have liked to put a little I know ball spin
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: and stuff on, which I wasn't able to do as
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: much this past week, which I was a little sad about,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: but yeah, that's just something.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I think for the Zay situation,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much what I did, but in a little opposite.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to put it in the Discord yesterday,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: but my I know ball spin was like I'm not
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: going to need them. And he ended up being great.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I just played too much. Like before that, like on Fandula,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: like 35% Bateman and like 34% Andrews. And I thought
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: that was a big enough hit to them, which it
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: clearly was. When Zay is on the field, he is
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: taking all the attention. I was like, yeah. And I don't,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't think the field would adjust enough. to the
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Bateman and stuff. So it was mainly like getting them
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: out instead of like playing.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: The annoying part was, is like Bateman still had so
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: many chances. The overflow at the end was like a
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: touchdown waiting to happen. It was over his head, like
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: just little things like that. So it can still could
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: have came through, but it's, I like what you said
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: there because it wasn't just you adapting for it's so important.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I think to, to bring this up, cause I'm, and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you did it that way. It wasn't actually
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: that you were adjusting or wanting to play Zay. For
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: more Zay. That's what I think people take the wrong
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: way sometimes. Like, well, so wait, you wanted more Zay? No,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: it's how does Zay affect this? Here's another one. Saints
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: D yesterday was popping and we had them popping on FanDuel,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: things like that too. Again, we're going to be wrong
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: on things also, but like noting it, but like once
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Bowers is fully healthy and in ready to go and
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: like all that type of thought process, you're like, oh, wait,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Like maybe that's not such a good idea. So that's
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: my like living in the past right now. It's like
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Jalen Warren ended up being a freaking workhorse. Could have
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: had even more, like you said. And the Saints D
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: were going up against Bowers, Gentee, like almost everybody over
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: there now at full strength. So I was like, oh man,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's the best setup. And the
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: 2v2 was like, my 2v2 was Jadarian Price and the
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Saints versus Jalen Walker, or sorry, Jalen Warren and either
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the Titans or the Browns. And in hindsight, it's like
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Jalen Warren and the Browns is so obvious. And that
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: actually wouldn't even get, that would've got me third place,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: not second, like the other version. But third makes sense
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: because you're not on Hubbard who everybody's on over there.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: So you are on Warren who lots of people are
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: still on, but you do it with the Cleveland D,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: which is not the Titans D 50% owned. And it's
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the defense against Hubbard. So most people wouldn't have that again,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: that process piece. I'm like thinking about that. Oh, could
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: have just done that. It's hindsight is 2020, but you
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: want to win or learn, right? You want to move
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: on to the next slate. So let's move on to
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the next position. Let's go look at the tight ends.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Loveland. We talked a
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: little bit about the name. So this is interesting because
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if any of the tight ends outside
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: of Loveland are going to be over 10% in flex.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Crazy. I don't think they really should be necessarily though.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I am going, I mean, yeah, just looking at, props
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: for these guys. Zach Ertz, 10.5, Johnny Mutt, 9.5, Cole Komet, 8.5,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Loveland's expensive, 32.5. With all that being said, though, again,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: this whole story we keep talking about is just really
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: not any value on this slate. 3K and below is terrible. Well,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: 3K and below is Zach Ertz, Johnny Mutt, Cole Komet.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: You can add in, I guess, EJ Jenkins, the Sam
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Roche guy. I actually will play a little probably Sam
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Roche because he's $ 600. Like, find me anyone who's within
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: 1K of him that will even be on the field
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit. So for that reason alone, he could
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: get a zero and it work out on this slate.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: But if there's no value at all below 3K, besides
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: these tight ends, they're going to be on the field.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Let's just hope we get another tight. I mean, it
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: feels like it's been national tight end week looking at
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: George Kittle, Brock Bowers, Noah Fant, Jawan Johnson, Davis Allen, Higby. Like,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: let's keep it rolling into Monday, I guess, because if
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: one of these guys are optimal, that'll be an easier
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: way not to have as many dupes because it almost
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: gets you on a different roster construction because people are
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: avoiding this range.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's always a good idea. I know
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes we like to look it up and see what
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you're doing with these guys that we just randomly talk about.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: And one thing that is good, do you know anything
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: about Sam, anything about this guy at all and what
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: he looks like or anything?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Nope, I just know he's 600 and zero might be enough.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: So if zero is enough at 600, it makes sense.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: That is the key, my friends. And that's why you
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: want to do it because if anybody wants to Google him,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: and pulls up these are the first two things that pop.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Up yeah look at that handsome dude well it was.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Like a couple of maybe i'm on the wrong thing just.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Go back oh can't catch can't block yeah.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I was like can't catch can't block and then i
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: can't find all the other stuff but it was like
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: there was another one it was i think it was
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: this one that pops up and then someone had like
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: one of those um look buddy even went and got
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: his own thing changed this is he didn't want that
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: picture This guy got the looks maxing from Clavicular. That guy,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: look at this thing. Go back. Here's his picture. It's
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: like these glasses. I'm trying to see if it's in here.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: It's this one. I'm not even going to click it
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: in case it goes away. Buddy got the shades on
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: with the little.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: The fighting nerds glasses. Yep. Fighting nerds glasses.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And then you go to ESPN. This man had his
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: PR team write an email to ESPN.com and say, get
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that picture changed immediately. Look at this thing. Look at that.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: One catch for nine yards might be two catches for
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: 10 yards and a touchdown after tonight.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: One catch for nine yards might be all you need tonight, though.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly. At 600.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: So if you go to that, maybe. So getting snaps,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: like people said. But to your point, um it's kind
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: of like an inverted version but not really because he
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: won't really be played like what's his ownership going to
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: be one percent the tricky part is the one percent
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: could be the lineup that holds all the dudes right
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: so it's like you do got to think about that
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: somewhat but the other thing is that this makes me
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: think of now totally separate topic aside from that that's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: just my thoughts on that rush play um get it
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: totally and how i would build is leave a little
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: bit of money on the table and not play the
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: five main dudes but just noting it And last thought
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: on like, that could be the Devonta Smith, drop them
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: down to wicks. Well, that would be a way to
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: do it differently. Now you've got a 1% or in
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: a lineup and no chance that people have that. So
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: that's something there. The other thing though, is like back
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: to now the, you know, the Devonta Smith, the Luther burden,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: the Swifts, the menung guys, the Loveland's. I don't, you
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: didn't like love them as much. We're just noting it
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: kind of like these mid tier captains more as the
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: show has gone on, because now it's like, to me,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I can really do so much. And yeah, it sucks
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: not to have Jalen Hurts or Barkley up top. I'll
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: have them in some, but I'm guessing I'm underweight. Maybe
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I could be field with Barkley if he comes back
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: down some, but I can pretty much guarantee I'll be
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: underweight on Hurts just based on this because, you know,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: best captain probably, but best for this slate. We'll see
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: and how it plays out because all the other options
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: that we've just mentioned. So I think that it could
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: be interesting from that perspective, at least some. Oh, damn.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Now I messed up and I clicked this ESPN page
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm getting like a rush highlight here. Let's see
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: if this is correct, man. This guy is just busting guys, man.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Just crunching them all the way into the end zone.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Does three spins off these guys. What did he go to? Stanford?
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Stanford guy? I don't know. San Jose or Stanford. Whichever
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: side he was on here. Sam Rush. Yeah, I mean.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: People are now probably like, why don't we keep talking
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: about this guy? I mean, Johnny Muntz, you can also like,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: will be in play a little bit as well. Again,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: the moral of the story, these guys are less than
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: 10% and they're in a range that like no one's
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: really playable. So at least they're going to be on
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: the field a little bit.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: The glasses all make sense now, by the way, though,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: the Muntz punt is good as well. We go on
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: these little tangents once it's late in the show and
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: people already know what it is, but um major academic
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: now we understand the glasses with the tape buddy this
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: guy got a on a come up here huge 69th
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: overall in the draft by the way too nice nice
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: place for him this past year stanford grad 3.8 gpa
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: working towards a master's degree with a focal with a
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: focus on ai and engineering.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a sharp dude for sure.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Buddy's just crushing it. Yeah, Kemet is on the other
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: side too, by the way. No one wants to talk
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: about him, but he's been the guy that's been hitting
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: the end zone there for Loveland when we play Loveland.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think the tight ends are
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the good value options that you could punt to here.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Johnny Munt, the punt, we talked about it. I don't
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: even know if Ertz is going to hit 10% by
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, so we'll have to wait
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and see. But I think there's a ton of ways
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: that you could go here in the flex position that
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I'd be interested with these guys being your options. And
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: this would also be where... Again, can you play them
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: both of like a Wicks and a Munt or something?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: You can, but it's also like could be a spot
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: where you play him instead of him and it's not
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: probably what you want, but it's like that would be
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the way that it would get there and you'd be
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: able to have a different setup. So Sam Rush, that's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: the guy. Now kickers and Ds to round it out.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Anything on the kickers and Ds?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like them. They're going to get owned.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I think my favorite would probably be just Santos because
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: any Elliott or Eagles defense can go. to Santos. And
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I do think the bears move the ball. I think
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: it is, does play to a lower scoring game. The
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: one thing though, I'm a little nervous about defenses besides
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: the ownership on the Eagles is you almost want like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: people kind of get confused for defenses, the upside and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: for them to be optimal. You almost want the other
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: team to drop back a ton because you have a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: ton of opportunities to get strip sacks, to get like
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: the Raiders defense yesterday in a high scoring game, like
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Chuck just kept dropping back and giving them chances and,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: if I think the bears and the Eagles are kind
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: of going to pound the football, it limits the opportunity
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: that defenses can get sacks, can get chances for pick
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: sixes and all that. So I think I like both
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: kickers more than defenses, mainly because I'm worried again, they're
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: going to pound the football, but it's still 38 year
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: old case kingdom. They can't move. So you can tell
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: yourself that as well.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you said it best with the Santos
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: point versus going against the other two. I think we'll
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: still see, um, I think we'll still see Eagles D
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: slightly higher than Jake Elliott. Like we have it, but
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: it's also, I think a little overinflated to what it is,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: because I think like you mentioned, like I could just
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: see Swift, my nun guy, the short passes that set
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: them up. Well, like they're not trying to get, you know, people,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: someone mentioned earlier, do you think you could play badgent and,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Keenum goes out, you can do whatever you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: want on a showdown slate, but it's just saying it.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Bears are trying to get to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: that point. They're already down to their QB3. QB2 is
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: the backup tonight coming out of concussion protocol. Do you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: really think they're trying to get all of this stuff?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: You would need an injury. I'd be shocked if Keenum
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: has such a bad half and they throw in Badgen after.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe, but I feel like this is Keenum's week. Um,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I I'd be surprised.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I think that's, they're going to try and get to here.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's going to be that. I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: think like someone said, it could play a little bit
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: of a, you know, a tighter game than expected, but
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: a tighter game could also be to a lower total
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: as well, where these teams just running clock. That's the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: thing about like, um, look. burden wicks smith those guys
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: can get loose definitely but also don't like hurts like
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: jay barkley swift manung guy again if they break free
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and get loose it's going to be a problem for
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: like moving it quickly but otherwise like loveland earths guys
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: like that the other tight ends we mentioned these are
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: just catches over the middle clock burns runs run into
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: wall burns timeouts right like they'll people be trying to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: do stuff to save time but it's like there's there's
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: a setup here where it could just be a game
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: like that. So remember that when you're building too, and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: you only got one lineup and you think others are
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: building differently, then you could think about that as well
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and use it to your advantage to build something that
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense, still projects really well, but
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: is for a, just a completely different roster construction, captain
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: and game script than what others are doing. I talk
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: about all the time, but like, um, contrarian correlated constructions,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: triple C, right? It's like if you can get to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: something that's contrarian, but it's still correlated, it's like how
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: the game would play out and it's a unique construction
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: to what everybody else is doing, then that can still work.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: You just need the game to go that way. And
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't, the worst case scenario, you lost money
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: like we always do anyway. Like it's like 80% of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: the time, 75% of the time you're losing it. for
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: that anyway, but at least build for the, give yourself
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: a chance, right? Don't just build the chalk nuts and say, well,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: that one projects the best, or this one is the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: one that I think has the best. This like you,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: you got to make sure it's for how you want
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: it to actually play out. It's your money that you're
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: putting in on the line. So, all right, man, anything
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: on the fan duel side that you see, we're playing
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: the job of hoop here, just trying to look at this,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: but anything on the fan duel side.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Value is even tougher. And one guy really stands out
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: and that's, uh, Lemon at 3,800. Like he is going
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: to be what really chalky because there's no one in
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: that range. Zach Ertz is 200 less, but still Lemon
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: projects for like three points higher. Will Shipley is down there.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: But besides that, no one's lower than them. Talking about
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: like who's overpriced, Menungai is 9.6K. Luther Burden is 1,400
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: cheaper than Menungai. So that's just, To be honest, I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: don't even hate it. You're overspending to be contrarian. But
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: with how I think the game's going to go, it
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: actually makes some sense to me. And then I do
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: think that lowers DeAndre Swift's ownership because he's 11-4. He's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: 600 more than Devonta Smith. And he's sandwiched in between
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: the Saquon, Jalen Hurts, who people will prioritize. So I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: think it's almost even more so 5-1 builds on FanDuel
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: than DraftKings. People aren't really going to want to play
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Bears anymore. So that is a way you can get
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: different if you want. Wicks is all the way up
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: to 7,600. I think this does allow or to force
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: people to play a lot of the kickers, defenses, and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: then Lemon as the punt because people are still going
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: to want to play the spend-up MVPs like they are
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: on DraftKings. So similar, I think, on both sites where
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Eagles' dominant builds, even more so maybe on FanDuel, and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: the value just really screams Lemon. So know that if
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: you plug him in right away.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the one thing that stands out to me right
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: away is Swift. He's only, what, $ 800 cheaper than Barkley.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I think Barkley and Hertz could hit like 50% to
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: 60% MVP ownership over there combined. So, you know, you
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: just can't get ownership on the Chicago guys, especially up top, really,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: because don't forget the third guy that gets it closer
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: to 60% to 75% up in the MVP is Smith.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: So it's like there's just not many ways. Then people
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: will take some chances on Wicks or things like that.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe even the kickers and the D's some over there
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: up in the MVP. So it's like there is not
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: much left on the Chicago side. And you and I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: talked about it both. I think Swift and Menungai is
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: what is he?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: He's expensive. He's ninety four.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Ninety six hundred.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Fourteen four in the MVP. But 14-4 is almost $ 4, 000
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: cheaper than Barkley. And how would the game go differently?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: To me, the only way is Swift or Menungai getting loose,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: controlling the clock, having something go their way. And by
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: the way, that could still be like a 2-4. If
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: it's going to be 5-1 Philly, you could say, no problem,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: let me go with Chicago up top. What makes sense
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: with that? And then give me 4-4. of the Eagles
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: on the other side. And you just hope that they
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: spread it out a little bit more or have to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: because Menungai gets loose or, or Swift gets loose. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: that ends up being the way that they control the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: clock and the game and it stays under and all
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: of that. But I, I do think that's intriguing because
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: when you see 18, three Barkley and 17, one Swift,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I know it's enough money, but it's only $ 1, 200 in
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: the MVP. I'm pretty sure you're going to find that
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: 1200 bucks and just get to Barkley value or not
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: on the slate available. So yeah, Good breakdown, man. Any
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: final thoughts from you before we get out of here?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a fun one tonight.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Lots of different ways you can go about playing it.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Lots of good interaction in the chat. We appreciate you guys.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Make sure to hit that thumbs up and subscribe to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: the channel. But any final thoughts from you before we
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: get out of here?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, football's on my screen on a Monday.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: So anytime that's the case, life is good. So yeah,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: we're if you had a bad week three or heck,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: you had a good week three. It can only get
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: better tonight. So good luck to everybody.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: And it's not over. We had a bad week three.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: You still got tonight. It's only been a bad week
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: so far. You get the money. I'll remember what our
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: boy title, my man right here with me last week
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: was saying his hand. It wasn't the best week. There
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: was a, you know, still a 490 K hit and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: all these things. But I mean, those are, we just
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: deal with those and let them roll off and go
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: to the next thing. Does 38 K solve it? No,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: but it makes it feel a hell of a lot
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: better after how the rest of the weekend went.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: So you're not guaranteed anything. So yeah, every day is
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: a new day. You definitely take it and wipe the slate.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's, that's the game we play. If you
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: don't want to see the swings, Do not look at
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: the DraftKings app until I guess you get the notification
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: that the money was put in your account and then
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: do it that way. If that's how you want to live.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Anyone who does that, like, you know, they say like
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: a certain serial killers.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: The way you put the paper towel, the toilet paper
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: on is like the serial killer thing. If you're literally waiting,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: because I think they finally fixed it now.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Where when they send you- It's right now, finally.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: It says the real number. It could say a dollar,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: but- One dollar. You want a bunch. But anyway, I
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: cannot imagine the world waking up and just being like,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: check that thing. Even if I do fall asleep, it's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: very rare, but if I did, I would... First of all,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I got no Discord notifications. Thankful that we have that
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: community there, so I know I didn't win. But I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: still go on the app and go recent and try
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: and like the positivity flowing of like at least some
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: bars were to the right. I'm not trying to get
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: no email that just says you got dog walked and
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: screwed on this slate or something like that. So, yeah,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I'm crazy if people do it that way. I don't
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: know about that. But, you know, I don't look very often,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: but I look when it matters. I want to get
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: some sweat equity for my money, too.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm, I'm with you too. I probably look
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: more than you, but it's also for I'm cash games
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: when to swap that way. And yeah, I mean, I,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: I put in the money. I understand.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: You're seeing like what you're up against. Like it's like,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: it's still a, even if it's not all head to heads,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: the point is it still really matters. It can be trains.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: It can be different. Like you've got to figure out
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: what's in front of you, what's behind you and be
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: able to adapt.
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  Speaker 2: But in like, I'm also humid though. We put in
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of money with a chance to win a
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: lot of money. Like the sweat equity is, it's fun.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: It can drive you crazy, but I also know I'll
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: get over it eventually, regardless of how bad it is.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Life goes on.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: That's my, uh, my mantra, I change it up from
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: time to time title, but the, the new one is
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: everything always works out. It's like, you just don't like
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: it for so far. It's all worked out. Like, you know,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I've had so many bad beats as of every player.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: That's why the original sign still stays up. Cause it's like,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: no one cares. We get beat out for four 90
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: K a couple of weeks ago before that was me
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: for 200 K with them, you know, more cow Eagle
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: at the last second, like things happen. for big money
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: and we're playing the game at the highest level. So
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: it's going to matter, but, and be worth a lot,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: but everything's always seemed to work out. Very grateful. We
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: get to be here with you guys every day, almost
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: every day during football season, but at least a few
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: times a week, hang out, have fun, talk through it, interact,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: be in the community daily. All that stuff is fun,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: but like, you never know. Maybe tonight didn't, you know,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: maybe that didn't work out because a Millie maker's coming soon.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: And then like, that'll erase all of it. Like you
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: just have, you just never know. And just got to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: be able to stay in the game and play it.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: We talk a ton about that. Not going to hit
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: it harder now, but like the takedown breakdown, go watch
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: it from earlier. If you want, it's like, you just
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: got to be able to stay in the game. You
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: can't win a thousand bucks and decide to be like,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: well now three, three, three 33s tonight. Sound like a
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: good idea. Like just play it. I was praising our guy,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Lukey in case he doesn't watch that show earlier. Our man,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Lukey in the chat got himself a saber SIM ultimate package.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Went down. He got the full ultimate. It's not for everybody,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: but he got it. Started working on it. Put the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: time in. Started shipping. I think I said, I honestly,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: I think he won like six to eight times the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: mini max in baseball, but people kept telling him like, Oh,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: go play the $ 5 man, move up and play one
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: 50 in the $ 5. He's like, man, that's like a whole,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: that's a whole mini max win that I'm putting on
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: the line for one slate. He's like, it didn't, he
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: didn't need to change strategies yet. If he's not comfortable,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: he was capable of just putting in the same money,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: winning a bunch, putting in the same money and then
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: riding this, the ups and downs. but he's happy. He's
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: doing what he loves. And if he wants to move up,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: he can't. It's just a matter of like, you don't,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: some people win all the money. We've seen people win
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: a hundred K on Sunday classic. And we're like, damn,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: buddy's in for 30 grand tonight in showdown. Like what?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: You'll never be mad at yourself for staying where you're
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: at or playing less than what you think you will.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: 95% of people underestimate the variance in DFS, especially with
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: how top heavy it is nowadays. And Once you start
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: playing more than you're used to, it starts bleeding into
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: your real life and your real mental. And that's the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: last thing you want to do. So, yeah, shout out
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: to Lukey. As disciplined as it gets. And I mean,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: I'm blessed myself, but I prided myself on being one
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: of the most disciplined for over a decade, literally almost
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: never playing tournaments, only playing cash games because I knew
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: what I wanted to do full time. I knew 8%
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: ROI could get me this. And I'm not guaranteed anything
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: in tournaments. You can be the best in the world,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: still have a losing year as FJ born and all that.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: just shows the variance there. So you need first place
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: and it's hard to do so. So yeah. Yeah.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: We talked about that too. It's like, you don't control
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: first place. People don't like, I know it's like, it
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: sounds so, bad coming from people like I've got a
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: second and a third place trophy on the shelf. They
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: were still awesome days, awesome outcomes, big money events that
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: are fun, like all that type of stuff throughout the years.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: But it's like when you finish third or fifth in
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: a tournament, you know, you're 10 K the other week.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Absolutely horrendous. It was my exact example. A couple of
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: weeks before in golf, it was 200 K to first,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I get like 7,500 or something for what it was
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: when we were away in Vegas. And so you just
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: had your version of that recent, that's just our most
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: recent version. It's not complaining. It's just noting that like,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: There was nothing else we could do. Like we literally
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: did everything to put ourselves in a position to ship.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: And then we didn't. So while it doesn't feel, there's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: no trophy, there usually isn't anyway, but there's no big
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: money that you care about enough. There's no big prize.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: There's no, like there's, you get almost nothing out of
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: it except like a negative feeling in the way of like, damn,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: I was so close. But you really did put yourself
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: in the top 0.00001% and you didn't control the outcome.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: It's like almost the same as winning without the win
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: and the money and everything that comes with it. It's like,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: what else do you want me to do? And you
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: don't get to control it, right? There's nothing you could
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: have done about it. So that's all you can do.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Focus on a little mental health at the end. We're
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: not always adding that in, but I think it's a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: good idea to think about in a game we play.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: It's going to do it, guys. Appreciate you. You know,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: everybody in the chat, let us know in the comments
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: if there's anything we're missing that you want more for
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: these shows. We've got our next slate coming up on Thursday.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Hoop will be back, I believe. And we're breaking down
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: the Atlanta or no, what is it? The Pittsburgh at
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland game.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: I was going to say Atlanta's back. Oh, my gosh.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Just is it worse or better, though, that your boy
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Aaron is coming in?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, my Packers got absolutely demolished, so nothing can
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: be worse. And, yeah, I like my man Rodgers, but
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: anyone that saw his Hail Mary before the end of half,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: like pulled a rib, fell right then. I was like,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: it's time to hang it up, man. Now, he still
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: put up the points. He's getting the ball out there.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: But you never want to see one of the goats,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: like in any sport, just completely like they just play
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: too long and just they ruin everything that people thought
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: of him at. Like, please don't do that. Please have
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: it be your last year. You have a good team
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: around you. Get to the playoffs and then just quit.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I agree on all that. It's really tough. Not too
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: many people like the Peyton Manning, the Ray Lewis, the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: stuff like that get to ride off into the sunset.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's nice. You win a Super Bowl
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: and you get to just be done after that. It's
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: not easy to accomplish that. But I'm saying when you
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: just keep pressing it and pushing it, now it's always
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: just him just blaming the coaches. And then yesterday was
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: the lip read of like– He fucking sucks.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like that play call sucks or something.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just saw a brief. I didn't
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: know if it was about his receiver that dropped it
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: or the play.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, Roger says it out. He sees it. But yeah,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: there's there's a time and a place as a leader,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: as a quarterback and all that. And by no means
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: do I agree with everything he says. So. Hey, that's life.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Don't necessarily agree with this either. I appreciate your answer.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Your support's always good in the chats, but like, again,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of people forget this. We talked a little
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: bit about this earlier. Most of the people that have
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: all the DFS money you're, you're quoting the ones that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: are actually good, by the way, I'm talking about that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: are winning. There's lots of, business people that are in
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: the 5ks and they just they make money at other
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: stuff it's their fun money they got it to blow
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: people saw the 100k circa um draft this year that
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: posted up like oh my god i wish i had
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: 100k to play in that look how bad the drafting
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: is well they don't care they have 100 grand to
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: play on a football draft but these players most the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: ones like when people complain about mock loving and uticao
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: and guys like that like where do you think they
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: got all the money They just, they kept playing at
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: the highest level and they took it from all the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: people that decide to go up in stakes and realize there's,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: you know, not the best chance when you win all
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: the money at the poker table title. Kind of could
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: just stay at that table and keep winning the money
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: off these people. You don't just hop up and be like,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: all right, I got this buy-in now that I can
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: take to the better table. Why? Right. Like you just
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: stay here and keep collecting the money. There's tons of cheese,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: free cheese sitting at the table that you're already at.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: So. I mean, and people, yeah, the last thing, I mean,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many in the world, but there's
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: definitely some of the biggest guys get staked to an extent.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: But if you can show someone that has money, that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: you're a good player and can make money, how about
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: you go do that yourself? Work on your process, grind,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: and then find someone with money that you can pitch
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: yourself and present yourself. I've never done it personally, but
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I do know people that have done it. And shout
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: out to them. That's smart. Happens all the time in
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: the poker world. Just if you're under bankroll, that's smart.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: You're sticking within your bankroll management. de-risking a little bit,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: but still playing for a good amount because you proved
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: that you were sharp in whatever way. There's a lot
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: of ways to conquer life. There's no one way in everything.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: We could go forever. You and I love this kind
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: of stuff, so we'll stop it there.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: People do use... It's not even like using the bank's
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: money to finance stuff and move it around. Why are
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: you using all your own money when you can use it?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: If you do it accordingly, obviously I'm not saying take
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: on a bunch of debt. It's how you take it
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: on and what you do with it. It's things like that.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: People always do this stuff. So All right, guys, we
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you so much for watching. For Tidal,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: for myself, Totag, and Tambo, good luck in the contest tonight.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Let's ship it!