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Bobby Labonte | Kenny Conversation #3 · Kenny Wallace Media

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  Well Kenny conversation, just keeps on rolling and this next
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  guest. Dear friend hero of mine.
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  I don't want to I don't want to embarrass me but to me the great
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  Bob Maybe the Bonny. Bobby, how you doing?
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  I'm doing great Kenny. I hope you're doing well.
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  Thanks for inviting me to be a part of this really excited
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  about this. This is good.
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  Thank you my friend. Well let's let's be
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  light-hearted like you and I usually are, you know, we've
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  raised so many races together enough of that.
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  Nothing my mud all those years. So where are you at?
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  I I think I see a Martinsville clock and I think is that your
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  brother Terry in the background. So that's the Slow clock.
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  It's needs a little TLC on it needs to be charged up, bring
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  those down, and then back there is a me driving the 43 car.
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  Oh for the Petty's, the fame Petty's.
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  And this is a picture from our bicycle ride that I dropped and
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  broke the frame broke the glass of the day.
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  So, yeah. So we're at my Studio B, which
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  is a just a storage building and I put up my brother, it was
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  funny. Mark.
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  I have all these pictures of Earl Pearson.
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  Earl Pearson me and Dale Jarrett, Jeff Odin Harvick.
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  Last time I run that had 18 car and either over at the other at
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  Longhorn chassis. And my brother said, hey, I'm
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  fixing to, we're fixing it, we sold longer chassis, we need to
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  move all this stuff out. He said so might want to take
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  down all these pictures because I had him in the hallway for
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  years, back years ago just to make it look like you're
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  something there, right? So I said, okay, so I walked
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  outside and I went to my truck and I got my Dewalt drill, got
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  my screwdriver bit. I walked back inside I Come all
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  off, he come walking back there. He says, why didn't mean today?
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  I said no, today's the day I'm going to fix up my studio be.
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  So I took all my pictures and brought them over here.
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  You shocked him because if yeah, you're like the Wallace is,
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  you're a man of action. We don't wait, we do now.
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  Yes, gotta go. Now, right wrap, wrap it up.
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  Well, hey yesterday, I missed you at the SRX, you know, media
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  day and yep, almost a lot of fun.
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  You're talking about, your Gob there.
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  One thing I see this happening in the racing world is you
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  NASCAR drivers are getting much smarter with your money.
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  We were in Joey logano's studio so I think he's looking at his
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  future creating income when is racing life is over.
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  I don't know everything about you.
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  So I know that you and your wife are on the road, doing things.
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  What what I do business? What other things are you doing?
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  Yeah, well, that's a great question and people ask me like,
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  you know, we're not have To fill out something as like, what's
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  your job? Occupation?
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  And I was like, oh God here we go again, race.
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  Car driver fabricator catch-can guy.
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  Maybe a sometimes mechanic, right?
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  So yeah I mean and and I mean there's There's just a lot of
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  things happening. And so, for me, I mean, the
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  racing racing is I enjoy it. And, you know, we, you know,
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  that's kind of our business on the side.
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  I mean, we kind of, we make a business out of it, so that's,
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  you know, that's a, you know, we yeah, we're we're having fun
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  with that. So that, that business is low on
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  the totem pole, but it's fun and we get to enjoy being together.
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  Sir my wife and I and I get to go rice.
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  So it's kind of feel I feel kind of guilty because I feel like
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  I'm the one having all the fun. But anyway, so that's that's
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  what that is and then so we have a our company is called breaking
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  limits and I own breaking limits, probably 11 11 years ago
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  and motor home. I think so he's 18, he's 82
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  years old so I'm gonna go see him so so anyway, so so we own
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  breaking limits for years and we started it back when I was
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  driving the Petty's that long ago so it was kind of like
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  Vision. Yeah, Jeff Denison and I were
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  like or Jeff was like that, we need to do our own PR, instead
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  of getting this other guy to do it that he worked for.
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  And it's kind of, you know what, we just do our own, so we kind
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  of just started it through public relations and General
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  Mills was Our sponsor. So I still have the first
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  daughter that break they gave breaking limits and so we did
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  they hired us to do work for them and quick.
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  Fast story is lower Raider. That worked there through
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  General with General Mills works for us today so that kind of
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  came full circle years later. So anyway so breaking limits, we
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  grew it and we moved offices in Charlotte luckily we sold our
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  offices in Charlotte right before we eat At the right time,
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  we got rid of them and just because people were gone all the
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  time, so nobody was there. So, when I met Kristin, she had
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  a marketing company. So we caught it, we just merged
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  them together, it makes sense, right?
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  I mean, why should I be doing this over here?
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  And you'd be doing the same thing over there, just we put
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  them all together. So you know she had some clients
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  of hers that she brought to the you know you know say we just
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  put them all together. So throughout all that, you
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  know, for for breaking limits we have we do pr Are we work for
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  Universal Technical Institute? NASCAR Tech.
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  So we do PR for them and then we have a client in IndyCar, are
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  Electronics. We've had clients Ferrari, we've
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  had colavito, olive oil, my wife's redone, some stuff for
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  for Rahal and their group. And then, you know, we, we have
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  smaller things that kind of float through out and in, and
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  out through, whether So you know pizzas and fashion IQ limits is
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  like a hospitality and then you represent drivers a little bit
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  of everything. We do not represent drivers,
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  it's more of a hospitality and Activation.
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  So so what we what we do is you know the structures already
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  built when we get there and then what we do is we fancy it up.
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  You know, we have chefs and we have employees that Come in 8
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  people come in, hire more local staff.
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  You make sure food is prepared for, you know, 120 to 200
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  guests. You know, at eight different
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  events. And so it's last for about three
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  days and we come in there with the Fine.
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  China was real silverware, real food.
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  I love the detail. Yes.
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  Stuff. Yeah, real liquor, you know, no
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  fake stuff and I mean it's all professional, you know?
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  I mean it I say it's all top Ian high-end stuff and And, you
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  know, we can do, you know, we can do smaller stuff as well.
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  And we have, we did an event for for Pit, Boss grills and Arctic
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  coolers other day. So we just did a one-off for
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  them trying to get more business with them.
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  So a lot of little things like that happen.
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  But but so our company has grown and so we're trying to grow it
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  and grow it and grow it. And yeah so we got you know,
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  like I said we got probably seven or eight full-time people
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  and And they're all over the place.
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  We don't have an office. This is just a place for me to
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  sit sometimes. So you're moving and shaking all
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  the time and Bobby, you know, I have learned that fans and
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  people have this Vision, they ask me all the time.
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  What's your brother Rusty doing? I'm like, oh, he owns nine
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  dealerships. Yeah.
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  Well then Mike doing, oh, he buys property and sells it.
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  Some nice people. Had this Vision that when us
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  redneck Racers are done like, we live under a bridge.
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  In a cardboard box or something, right?
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  Right. Could happen.
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  That could happen but true. Well, and, and you know, and you
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  know this obviously, you know, for me and we run through this
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  all this through a business, of course.
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  But you know, the TV thing for me is a lot, you know, I mean,
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  because they're not like what you did, but I do something
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  every week, every week, every week, every week, something, and
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  then, you know, at Christmas, it's, you know, I mean nothing
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  for a couple months but you know, I mean, at the same time
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  so that's a part of a, you know, part of when you say when
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  somebody says hey yeah, what do you do for a living?
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  That's like cool. How could I sold as yesterday?
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  Would you learn from a life coach of mine?
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  My CPA accountant is things I showed gar and, and he's my
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  hidden hero. And I was telling him that I had
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  these aches and pains and he said something that I want to
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  share with you, and I will share with everybody says, do not let
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  the old man in through, when you're staying young, because
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  you're you're doing it all, you got Breaking limits, you're
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  doing TV, you're running. SRX, you're running your mod,
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  Charlie Mario's. So it's so Clint Eastwood is the
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  on the came up with the. Don't let the old man in.
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  Oh yeah, he told me that and Toby Keith wrote a song about
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  that because he played golf with Clint Eastwood and Clint
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  Eastwood said that on the golf course.
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  Because he asked him said, how in the heck do you do this?
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  You're 98, whatever years old and he said, you don't let the
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  old man in so he wrote a song on that.
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  So Three or four years ago, we were in Idaho going to bird
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  hunting and we listen to it on the way because we talked about
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  it with some group of guys who we talked about, not let the old
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  man in. So yeah, there you have it.
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  So my wife has to remind me because sometimes I come I will
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  bitch and complain and she was like don't let the old man in.
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  Yeah, it, you know, for the people that are listening, don't
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  let the old man in means myself and Bobby or close to 60 and you
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  get an ache and a pain. Don't let the old man and don't
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  be oliv Bobby. Listen, let's let's change it up
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  a little bit. I want to apologize something
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  because Something you're going to go.
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  What? But years and years ago when you
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  were you and I were like the ultimate competitors.
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  I just, you know, you were who you were in my target, I wanted
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  outrun you and we were going at it.
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  You called me out of nowhere. Probably 30 years ago or more
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  and you invited me to a Jimmy Buffett concert and I couldn't
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  go. But I was so shocked because
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  there is this image Of you. You are studious.
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  You are. I think you're a little shy.
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  I think you're a little soft spoken, but I see it from your
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  family on social media. You are the funnest wittiest
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  person. I know of, I'm like, just wait
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  there. Like, Herman.
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  What do you laugh for all the time?
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  I'm like, Bobby just said something funny.
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  I know, it doesn't come from your dad.
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  He's a badass. Right?
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  Right. One side of you come from.
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  You know, that's that's a Great question.
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  I think you know, as funny as the story when we were used to
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  be used to raise quarter midgets house five or six seven years
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  old, right? And we go to the races in a 72,
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  Chevy pickup truck, pulling, this plywood trailer, my dad
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  built right and we're swapping just back in the back of it and
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  we're driving along. And I remember my mom telling me
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  because I'd be in the middle of the two.
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  I was a monkey in the middle of the in the back of the pickup
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  truck and under in the Shell of the truck, right?
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  So you think about we're laying in the Shell of the truck,
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  right? With the camper.
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  And this is not Like a big camper.
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  This is just the small shell, right?
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  So I remember laying there and I would say something or do
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  something funny and of course my dad be like, shut up.
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  And then my mom. She told me, she said she tells
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  people she goes and we say this day today.
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  She said, yeah, they kept me around for entertainment.
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  So, I was there for, I was here for entertainment.
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  Now, I did I get it from my mom. I don't know.
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  You know, Terry and I are seven and a half years apart.
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  So like today's generations or, you know, my kids for years
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  apart, they're totally different.
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  Current so Terry. And I are different in some
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  ways, not every way, but we're different.
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  And I would say I got it from my mom, you know, more or less than
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  my dad. I mean we sit there and we
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  laughed she'll call me. The first thing she does is
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  laughs. So I'm like, okay but you you
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  appear so with me, you know, they ask my children.
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  What is your father? Kenny, is he really like that
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  all the time and they're like, yeah, but you, you come across
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  very reserved. Yeah.
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  But Or not. Hmm.
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  I'm like why is my I'm like I'm like the postman man.
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  The pope might go postal on you. My to some you might not know.
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  You might think one thing, but it might be something different
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  coming out of my mouth in your. Like, I told you earlier, this
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  is not a life interview, or we're having fun.
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  I think is awesome. That we do.
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  Share a little common, our brother Rusty my brother Rusty,
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  seven years. Older, you just said yours.
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  Seven-and-a-half you're older, you're great brother, Terry
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  Labonte. Both of our brothers, kind of
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  showed us the way and we're like, hey, we want to do that.
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  I still remember you and your Piedmont uniform.
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  Is a crew member. Tell me just a little bit about
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  that. Yeah, I mean, you know, I was in
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  high school moved to North Carolina, you know.
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  So, we're already here and moved to North Carolina and, you know,
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  I'm in high school and, you know, I don't want to be in
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  school, but I'm there, you know. Okay, I'm coming here.
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  Why are you in school? I'm going to be a race car
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  driver, right? I'm making, you know, if I can
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  make sees, I'm good, right? I'm like, all right.
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  Rhonda middle. So, so anyway, so after I was in
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  ICT class, I think it was called.
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  So at lunch time at lunch time, that go somewhere and go work
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  right now. In class, I took Small Engines,
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  I took cabinetmaking, I did everything I could to get out
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  of, you know, the big, you know, history class or math and
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  whatever. I will tell everybody.
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  Now that would be great to do though.
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  My you need more of that, right? Absolutely, that's a whole
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  different subject. But anyway, so I would take and
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  it was funny. We, I would take we would take
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  the shop teachers car to the barbecue place at lunch time,
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  he'd give us a key, we would drive barbecue place and we get
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  barbecue sandwiches. We bring him back, his and ours.
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  And we were like 17 years old. I might do.
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  This is the going on 40, right? Oh yeah.
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  So Cadillac, you know. So anyway, so I would go to work
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  at Hagen racing. It was by Budweiser at the time
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  And I would just go and do anything I could.
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  So, I was sweeping floors. I mean, I would sweep floors in
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  the afternoons and I would mop floors on Saturday when they
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  were gone to the races. And then, obviously, the
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  Piedmont thing came along and by then I had already talked myself
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  into the, hey, I'm going to can, I can I do more right?
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  Can I do, more can learn how to weld?
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  I mean, I was probably the biggest if you ask anybody, I
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  was like the biggest pain in the butt because I was like, hey,
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  can I help you do this? How can I do this?
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  I can I help you. Well, can I help you fabricate
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  can't work an iCal on Rural centers.
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  I will I was just um, Now, I'm sure I was that guy get away,
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  you know? So as a peat as all that stuff
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  went on, I learned how to do so many things.
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  I mean, that was my college, right?
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  So when I graduated from high school, I just went there to
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  work and got a job there to work and made whatever little bit.
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  And so, I just learned everything about race cars while
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  I was there. And then that's the Piedmont
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  days. That you saw.
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  Hold on, hold on. Okay, look, you're acting like
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  you're in school, you're going over here to work, but for the
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  people that have a dream, okay, You're in school and you're
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  going on a side job for a Nascar Cup team that is so famous.
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  I mean, did you realize that at the time?
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  No. Yeah, I don't do it.
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  It was a side hustle. You know, it was just like, I
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  mean, I had no idea. I mean it wasn't like, I mean it
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  just wasn't what I would. I would have what today's world
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  is it was just it was it was sure.
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  I mean, when are you remember? Skip Manning.
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  Oh yeah, when skip on the team there was in Charlotte and it
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  was two cars in a garage, you know, and a gas station garage I
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  guess so. So and you know so it was so
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  small is big back then yourself? I mean Junior Johnson.
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  Yes Wood Brothers. Yes the Petty's.
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  Yes. But then everybody else was all
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  in the middle you know all there.
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  So, I mean, that was what we were probably supposed to win a
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  championship because there was no way that we did it on what
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  eight hundred thousand dollars or 400 or whatever.
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  The number was, you know, so that we won the championship in
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  84 but we were all there just working together and I learn so
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  much and that was just my. That was my college degree.
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  So yeah, you are one thing I've been lucky to know about you is
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  one thing. You and my brother Rusty have in
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  common is you figure everything out.
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  I my Or you is a gadgeteer, you are great, Healy our career, you
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  told me. Well I'm not saying you told me
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  that but I know you are. You're very good with
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  electronics. Is Terry like that or you that
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  much different from Terry? You Oteri's the same in a lot of
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  ways I would say I mean I guess I'll call him.
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  Yeah man. What you doing and you know
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  they're trying to figure, he's got his head in some, some type
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  of thought process. SS of figuring out something.
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  So, the deer feeders in there at the ranch or the cameras, he's
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  watching, while his home and watching the deers and, you
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  know, he's got to figure it out. Now, his figure out on Old Ranch
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  was there filling up, you know, feed like tractor trailer full
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  of feet right in the and thus, like The Silo thing, not Silo,
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  but he weighed the bin. And so, finally, he told Kim, he
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  says, I'm tired of this crap. So they found another Ranch that
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  the people come out and fill up the bins for him.
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  So, he is smarter than that. Way than I am because I'm still
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  trying to figure out I spent yesterday.
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  I finally push the button. I was like, I, in fact, I was
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  talking to after you obviously, I didn't see you.
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  And I was talking to Stewart, talking to Tony and I talked to
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  the SRX media day at the media day.
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  Yesterday, I talked to somebody else.
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  I talk to my nephew and I said, on the way down, I suggesting I
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  said you're going to I know you're going to hate me for
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  this, but man, I was just fixing to push the button on the
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  Sterling from here. And I just I just like Like I
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  just don't know if I should do it or not and he just laughs
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  because I've talked to him for like, two months about it and I
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  said, my worry now is if I didn't push the button time, I
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  won't get it when I go to the mountains next week and I said
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  so. But at the end of the day, I was
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  like calling people as I ordered poles, ordered them out and I
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  figured out how to get it through the window, with the
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  right amount of foam so that they won't let hot air in and
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  blah blah blah. So that's so that was I mean
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  that's like totally me. I'm like man I sat there.
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  I woke up this morning at 5:00 going Okay, did I get that
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  amount right? I don't know.
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  I hope I did. I got four poles because that's
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  over 14 feet. That's how tiny you know.
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  So that's me. Yeah, it's just how I am two
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  years ago you and I are talking. You're like man I got a camera
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  on these deers out the back of your house.
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  Yeah you still doing that. Is that therapy like watching?
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  Dear, I don't know the camera the Dern the strap rotted.
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  So now we just look at look through the binoculars.
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  Hitters in. Just look at this load is
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  enough, is not too far away, but it's like that's your for the
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  fans that are listening to Bobby.
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  They know you as the number 18 Interstate guy, but this is good
• 19:53
  stuff. So, yesterday, I mean, two days
• 19:56
  ago. So I'm in my motor home and I'm
• 19:59
  like my storage buildings. Not air-conditioned, it's here,
• 20:02
  it is, but not outside. You can't stop.
• 20:06
  It's like know. So so my motorhome gets hot and
• 20:08
  all the, you know, all the stuff in it gets like weird taste in,
• 20:13
  you know, like Like if you have cough drops, you know it gets
• 20:16
  kind of like you know, things get different.
• 20:19
  The older they get. Yeah.
• 20:20
  Someone like man, I don't like stuff.
• 20:22
  Going bad, your wine your celebration.
• 20:24
  Yeah. So anyway so I go to Home Depot
• 20:26
  and I text a guy and I think this is what I need.
• 20:29
  Yeah that's it. So I got it and I put it inside
• 20:31
  air conditioner, right? So I got a vented from the
• 20:33
  outside but all the stuff around it.
• 20:35
  And so now it's like, 71 degrees because I know that because I
• 20:37
  have an app on my phone, that tells me the temperature inside
• 20:40
  of it, the agile have. I don't have I didn't I couldn't
• 20:43
  afford Hi, the Mark Martin motor home.
• 20:45
  So I got one that I've converted into activism on hard mode.
• 20:49
  You know. March Motors got to be three
• 20:50
  million or more more. Yeah, for sure.
• 20:53
  I love that loves it. I love that for him.
• 20:56
  So you know, as we as we talk about what you're up to, I
• 21:01
  remember my very last day at, you know, NASCAR on Fox.
• 21:09
  I decided that I'd had enough. I'd been there 15 years and
• 21:12
  everybody at Fox was Was wonderful to me and they had me
• 21:16
  in and they said we want you on the desk for your very last day.
• 21:22
  Steve Craddock did gave me a really nice plaque.
• 21:25
  And as I was leaving, I just did a small segment.
• 21:30
  They were saying goodbye to me. And there you were.
• 21:32
  And I remember, I told you, I said Bobby.
• 21:35
  I said you are one of the greatest NASCAR drivers of all
• 21:38
  time. I said tell these people when
• 21:40
  you get on TV tell them what you know I've been watching you.
• 21:46
  Your lot of fun to watch. You just recently were in the
• 21:50
  booth and that was a big deal. Tell me about your TV.
• 21:57
  I mean I know it's a job like that.
• 21:58
  I think it's a hobby because you don't need the money.
• 22:01
  What is this whole TV deal about for you?
• 22:05
  I can remember back. I don't know.
• 22:06
  Who else driving for somebody asked me that Rich.
• 22:11
  Phoenix one time. They said, hey man, would you
• 22:14
  ever want to do TV? Of course, you know, I mean,
• 22:16
  I've always been more friends with the camera guys, and people
• 22:19
  behind the scenes as a reporter, you know, it's just, right.
• 22:22
  It's just kind of how I roll, right?
• 22:24
  So anyway, so somebody asked me to say, hey, would you ever want
• 22:26
  to do TV? And I was like, absolutely not.
• 22:29
  There is never want to do that. Look at those guys.
• 22:31
  Why would I want to be like that?
• 22:32
  I'm gonna be a racecar. I'm like, yeah.
• 22:34
  So, So, so as it as it turned out, I think NBC asked me if I
• 22:41
  would do a like, a, you know, go to Connecticut, I guess.
• 22:46
  And kind of like, do do something.
• 22:49
  And, you know, just see if you, you know, see if it's worthwhile
• 22:52
  or whatever. So, I did it, I did that for a
• 22:54
  little bit, you know. I was like, that's kind of fun.
• 22:56
  So obviously, the foxtail came out came about and through
• 23:00
  Danielle Trotta, actually. I think she's the one that
• 23:02
  probably put the, my work, my name and Much easier.
• 23:05
  Credit for somebody and we went down there and did like an
• 23:09
  interview show, right? And so I was like, you know, who
• 23:14
  knows? They'll call me back and they
• 23:16
  did. So it's been game on ever since.
• 23:18
  It's not like been five years ago.
• 23:20
  So, but I view it is. It's almost like it's a not
• 23:26
  therapy, but it's like to me, it's like getting a race car.
• 23:28
  Okay, it's getting prepared for a race in a lot of ways.
• 23:32
  And so, and how I think about, Out.
• 23:35
  It is you think about a five gallon bucket, right?
• 23:38
  And there's, I've got five gallon buckets.
• 23:40
  I got breaking limits. I've got Racine, I've got this.
• 23:43
  And I got that. So and if I'm not racing, how
• 23:47
  can I fill up the racing bucket with something?
• 23:49
  You enjoy, right? Because there's a, I mean, I
• 23:53
  could probably plant a garden made learn about that, right?
• 23:56
  I could probably, you know, you do anything, I can do whatever
• 24:00
  you want to do, right? But to me, what happens is the
• 24:03
  TV. Thank for me.
• 24:05
  The way I look at it in a way, I feel about it in a way.
• 24:07
  I way it comes about for me is it's like hey this is gets my
• 24:11
  juices flowing because there's, you know, it's, you know, I
• 24:15
  mean, I consider it, you know, pressure, I consider it.
• 24:19
  It's live. Can't Screw Up and do the best
• 24:23
  you can. So if you had a race car, you
• 24:25
  know, hey is live in front of people, you got to go out there
• 24:28
  and do the best you can. You can't screw up.
• 24:30
  So to me it's the same type of like getting strapped into a
• 24:33
  race car and butter, the racing try.
• 24:35
  Try to just be the best you can write.
• 24:38
  And so I kind of look at it like that because even though I've
• 24:42
  had people say man you come across so you look like you're
• 24:45
  pretty laid-back. I'm like my only back as you
• 24:49
  think but that fills up my you know my juices as far as like
• 24:55
  hey I like you know I mean this is not going to Rockingham and
• 24:59
  racing but it's also like I get to do this and it's fun, you
• 25:03
  know, II totally enjoy. I totally enjoy the pressure of
• 25:06
  it. I totally enjoyed the hey, it's
• 25:09
  live and we're going to do this and we can rehearse, or we can
• 25:12
  just run with it, you know, I mean, it's so different and so I
• 25:16
  view it like that and it is in and then you think about the
• 25:19
  team aspect of it. So everybody there, you know,
• 25:22
  makeup directors people that are so there's so many people there
• 25:28
  that put it all together and their team right there.
• 25:30
  Li raced, right? Yeah, and so there's your race
• 25:34
  team, you know, And you appreciate again like so much
• 25:38
  that they put into it. So you're on the phone call and
• 25:40
  you're like somebody speaks up and they're going to work as
• 25:43
  like I never thought about that, you know?
• 25:45
  I mean, so anyway and to me it just it's a it fills up my
• 25:48
  excitement bucket of when I'm, when I can trace.
• 25:52
  I mean that's exciting for, it's exciting for me to be able to do
• 25:54
  it. Yeah.
• 25:55
  So you have breaking the limits, which is your company you're
• 25:59
  doing TV. And one thing that it shocked
• 26:04
  me, Ago and I know a lot of people don't know it, there's a
• 26:08
  big dirt racing world out there super late models and you
• 26:14
  started Bobby Labonte. Not not a dirt racer and your
• 26:19
  brother Terry Longhorn chassis. One of the top dirt chassis in
• 26:25
  the world right now Superman, Jonathan Davenport last year. 12
• 26:30
  million dollars. What did you that?
• 26:33
  Just shocked the ever living? Crap out of me, the bottle
• 26:36
  Bonnie's owned. Longhorn, I know you sold it.
• 26:41
  How come none of us knew about that?
• 26:43
  I mean is everything you do Under The Radar?
• 26:46
  Your name wasn't even on it just Longhorn.
• 26:48
  Yeah. Right right.
• 26:49
  Yeah. You know I mean it and how all
• 26:51
  that really you know, it was trust me, I was at Talladega and
• 26:56
  okay. Jonathan.
• 26:58
  Jonathan Sherman says hey let's go to Talladega.
• 27:00
  Short track work for gifts, right?
• 27:02
  So we go there and he knows our old Pearson.
• 27:04
  I'm like, I don't know who Earl Pearson is, you know, I have no
• 27:07
  idea who are appreciates, right? Great.
• 27:09
  Great. So, I I go there.
• 27:11
  Hey, how you doing? So we talked a little bit so
• 27:13
  this is the fall race, right? So as time goes on, we go to.
• 27:19
  We talked a little bit on the phone and he comes to the
• 27:20
  Daytona test. Probably in December, maybe
• 27:22
  January. Right?
• 27:24
  So he comes down from Jacksonville and we have
• 27:26
  conversation together and blah blah blah so then I'm not sure
• 27:29
  how it all when I did it but I bought the team that he was
• 27:32
  driving for so I bought a dirt Late Model T.
• 27:36
  You know of course Tony's got his Elder think NASCAR money.
• 27:40
  It's a joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:48
  So so yeah. So anyway, so we so I bought the
• 27:52
  whole team Lock Stock and Barrel employees and everything, right?
• 27:56
  So Jason, Matt Divine came with it, right?
• 27:59
  So they came up some from done North Carolina and moved up to
• 28:05
  my shop that I had and race out there for around about five or
• 28:09
  six, seven, eight years, Whatever.
• 28:11
  And we started, we were buying chassis and Earl.
• 28:15
  Always lonely, like the one we had five sitting there, but one
• 28:18
  of them was the best. I was like, why don't we build
• 28:20
  our own? You know, so Justin, he's the
• 28:23
  Justin is the main part of this. So, so he was racing a little
• 28:27
  bit and Terry son, his wife Terri Stein, his wife Miranda
• 28:31
  had breast cancer. So it kind of curtailed his
• 28:34
  racing part and she's obviously great now.
• 28:39
  But you know that Took a year off of like, hey, I got to, you
• 28:42
  know, do what you got to do, what we have to do, right?
• 28:45
  So he wasn't racing as much. So we said well, we build these
• 28:47
  cars, right? So we had a jig, I think the old
• 28:51
  shop and we started building cars and I'll never forget.
• 28:55
  So we built cars. We were it was awful.
• 28:56
  You know, they were terrible. So We had, you know, we started
• 29:03
  building, you know, getting better cars, I mean to learn you
• 29:06
  learn a little bit right? Every time you build one, you
• 29:08
  learn something right cut cut well so yeah so it wasn't
• 29:15
  overnight. So I've never forget, Justin
• 29:18
  called me one day, he says, hey Uncle Bobby.
• 29:20
  He said, we sold four cars today.
• 29:21
  I said, damn, yes. And that's pretty good for cars
• 29:24
  today. Yeah, it's I said that's great.
• 29:28
  He said, you know, we sold for cars last.
• 29:30
  Year in one year 365 days, we sold for cars but they finally
• 29:34
  you know they evolve them and Earl you know to use the crash
• 29:39
  test dummy for say, you know trying I'm trying this trying
• 29:42
  that and you know, I mean so it just kind of evolved and so you
• 29:48
  sell for cars and you learn more stuff you sell for more, you
• 29:51
  learn more from the people that buy them and then you learn more
• 29:55
  and it grew and grew. And I think we had it for like
• 29:58
  10 years, maybe 8 or 10 years. Yes and just sold it so so
• 30:02
  Terry. And I and Justin were, you know,
• 30:04
  we're all, you know, in it together.
• 30:07
  Terry shop started, the Thing, Justin was always involved.
• 30:11
  And so we all were in it together and it just, I mean, I
• 30:15
  don't know. I called Justin one day because
• 30:17
  I saw where they built like number 800 and I said just
• 30:21
  summarize I would I wish I'd have known.
• 30:23
  I'd have ball. I'd have bought that car just so
• 30:25
  I can have 800. He said that's alright.
• 30:27
  He said already sold it. I saved you some money.
• 30:31
  You know, I think for the people that don't for me, dirt racing
• 30:37
  saved my life. So when I, you know, we all had
• 30:40
  our business, I had my rental properties.
• 30:42
  You got breaking limits and we're all you can Jive and we're
• 30:45
  doing Wallace. What are you doing?
• 30:47
  You know, and of course some people.
• 30:50
  I'm a look. I'm much more mouth your than
• 30:52
  you. So people here you've always
• 30:56
  been a gym but I mean you're this hidden diamond.
• 31:00
  And everything you do does good. And, you know, I just want to
• 31:03
  give you an attaboy. I mean Longhorn chassis right
• 31:05
  now is, you know, I know you sold it but it is the number one
• 31:09
  chassis for dirt, super late models and well, let me just
• 31:14
  keep keep Steve, Steve arpenaz, you know, bought it.
• 31:19
  He and his group of people and you know how we met Steve.
• 31:22
  How I met Steve Wright or into meeting, but many indirectly
• 31:26
  through you the time when he got hurt in evolution Sure that we
• 31:31
  flew back to back to Minnesota to the my God okay.
• 31:36
  Got to tell that story real quick let me tell it.
• 31:38
  So yeah I'm learning how to race dirt but I'm doing good.
• 31:43
  Put the effort into it, I win one night, at Volusia
• 31:46
  100-something cars, I'm like oh my God I want to race it was a
• 31:49
  big deal and I became friends with this Canadian named Steve
• 31:53
  arpan in. He kicked my butt more than I
• 31:56
  kicked his butt. He was a legend.
• 31:58
  Well, so the next year, he's taken the radiator.
• 32:01
  Hose, he's trying to cool his car down in the radiator.
• 32:04
  Hose blows off. This is when you're using hose
• 32:08
  clamps. You know, a lot of people still
• 32:10
  use hose, clamps upper radiator hose, blows off and burns him.
• 32:14
  Bad now heat, he's burnt so bad, he's got to get up north and I
• 32:21
  thought of you because you had an airplane and so you're
• 32:25
  telling me that's how it started.
• 32:26
  Kind of well. That's not how it started.
• 32:29
  That's how I knew Steve arpan from day one.
• 32:31
  Yeah. Right.
• 32:32
  And you know, so is time as time goes on, you know, he you know,
• 32:38
  he killed him. Yeah.
• 32:40
  Yeah. Bought that and I mean you know,
• 32:42
  nothing that matters but I thought it was cool because I
• 32:44
  mean you call me, it was late at night.
• 32:46
  It was right after it happened, I guess.
• 32:47
  And I was like, yeah, me called Tim.
• 32:49
  Let me call Tim and Clyde and see if I can get him ready to
• 32:52
  go. And we took him that night.
• 32:54
  Maybe you're the next morning and flew him to many skin.
• 32:58
  We make skins peeling off the kid.
• 33:00
  It was that type of burning. I mean we gotta get him to a
• 33:02
  hospital in Daytona. So I got a correct you on one
• 33:06
  thing is that for everything that looks good on paper or went
• 33:10
  good? There's a lot of for didn't go
• 33:12
  good Bobby there. I guess this I can I can vouch
• 33:16
  for I can vouch for those days. I'm like there's a picture over
• 33:20
  here with a sponsor on it than ever paid.
• 33:23
  Right. We're on Urkel's car.
• 33:25
  We thought hey that's going to be big deal them never Say, you
• 33:29
  know what I mean? So I had I have more deals that
• 33:32
  didn't go good as many deals that have gone good.
• 33:35
  So that is part of life. I think.
• 33:37
  So, yesterday there was a great promoter up here in Jacksonville
• 33:41
  Illinois, friend of mine, not a good friend, but a friend.
• 33:45
  Kenny daps him, he did something that.
• 33:48
  No, promoters ever done. He had finally had enough and it
• 33:52
  shocked me because I mean, Kenny I don't I didn't know he was
• 33:55
  like this, but he did a justice to all Promoters business
• 34:00
  people. What he did is he says you know
• 34:02
  he says I feel like it's one of those days.
• 34:05
  He said so on Saturday night in Jacksonville Illinois little
• 34:09
  bitty quarter mile race, her lat really good-looking crowd.
• 34:13
  And by the time he gets done with this paragraph, he had lost
• 34:17
  $300 that night. But he sold hamburgers and
• 34:21
  cheeseburgers and he had some Billboards.
• 34:24
  So what you're telling me is what I already know, but I want
• 34:26
  the fans to know people go all, man.
• 34:28
  Then stands were packed but he had 410 Sprint cars.
• 34:32
  He had to pay them a lot of money.
• 34:35
  The actual race itself, lost money but the only way made it
• 34:40
  was from selling food and billboards.
• 34:44
  And are you telling me? I know you're telling me that I
• 34:48
  just want the fans to know and the people to know that's
• 34:51
  business. Yeah.
• 34:53
  Yeah, that is that is a part of this business, you know.
• 34:56
  That's that is for sure. You know, I built I have I get
• 35:02
  reminded every now and then I built this quarter midget track
• 35:04
  in Salisbury that's a 501, c 3, it's not Mill Bridge.
• 35:07
  We don't charge people to come in and I mean, it's, you know,
• 35:12
  it doesn't make any money. It doesn't go under and your
• 35:17
  brother might call me about today, actually, but for the
• 35:20
  real estate part, you know. But so Is a real estate Guru.
• 35:25
  Yeah, right. I figured that out after about 3
• 35:27
  seconds. So yeah.
• 35:29
  So I mean so you know I mean so I mean if I could do it over
• 35:34
  again, I'd do something different with that, you know?
• 35:36
  I mean, God, I do a different plant, right?
• 35:38
  So but yeah, I mean in in, in in all kinds of business, I'm sure
• 35:42
  it's not just racing but you know, race promoters and drivers
• 35:45
  and owners and I mean, you know, they're you do you know things,
• 35:48
  things have happened. Things happen that you, you
• 35:51
  expect that To work out. Good.
• 35:54
  Sometimes they don't, right? So it was a long one chassis,
• 36:00
  the one of the top, your top dirt, I mean this is Mega
• 36:05
  company and you want to did it turn out in the black or was it
• 36:10
  always black? Red black red.
• 36:11
  I mean, did you I mean do good financially.
• 36:15
  I mean it did good, you know, it did.
• 36:20
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:21
  I mean in it was, you know, but you'd always have to, you know,
• 36:26
  you'd sell cars and you'd buy equipment, you'd sell cars you
• 36:29
  my equipment, you know, sort of you're always going back again.
• 36:32
  What is a warrior? Yeah, I mean and you know, you
• 36:34
  start up more parts and then you got that inventory and then you
• 36:37
  sell and, you know, so I mean, it was always bumping on the
• 36:40
  good side, you know. But you know you're always you
• 36:42
  weren't nobody was just taking it all in and talking it was
• 36:47
  just, you know, it was just bumping its way up.
• 36:50
  Farm good at the end but, you know, it was still for Justin
• 36:54
  that worked every day at a time. He's the one that did the labor.
• 36:57
  I didn't really think we just tweeted about it, you know,
• 36:59
  Zoe's simple for us other than other than the investment to
• 37:02
  start. You know, maybe I should ask
• 37:05
  your brother Terry but oh so Justin he's your nephew he
• 37:10
  tarries son. I thought it was going to be a
• 37:14
  race car driver. Didn't he?
• 37:15
  Win Chicagoland or somewhere? Nashville.
• 37:18
  Yep. Once you heat we did.
• 37:24
  So, the whole thing you nose at the longhorn was out ended up
• 37:28
  being a Terry. The shop that we raised our
• 37:30
  Busch cars out of years ago. Same place.
• 37:32
  Right? So went from this first brand,
• 37:35
  new building I raced are erased David Green race might cope
• 37:39
  race, Justin raced and you know, obviously again it's the world
• 37:47
  that's, you know, I mean not You know sponsors and Deals World
• 37:52
  chains you need more money. Yeah yeah and so there we were
• 37:56
  going through that I mean in Coast Guard was there and then
• 37:58
  you know they're going to go somewhere else and so you have
• 38:01
  all that you know I mean you know how it is I mean yeah and
• 38:05
  it just you know not not done always work out perfect for
• 38:09
  everybody but but again Justin you know transition to some dirt
• 38:14
  racing and you know I don't know if I got him involved in that.
• 38:17
  Maybe I did but he has a little mini sake.
• 38:19
  Run Madison. It's and you know I mean just
• 38:21
  just, you know, I got open it just like, yeah, just like we
• 38:23
  did. So his son, his son won at
• 38:27
  Talladega, this weekend and the quarter midget race, you know,
• 38:32
  be rookie. I think it would be plate,
• 38:33
  rookie little Honda. So anyway, he's moving up.
• 38:36
  So anyway, so I mean, you know, it's obviously our life but yet
• 38:39
  for Justin. It was, he one Chicago?
• 38:41
  I remember we were going to do an appearance somewhere as I get
• 38:43
  out there and it was like, hey Justin, what Chicago does like
• 38:48
  What what really? Yeah I didn't see that coming,
• 38:54
  you know I mean you figured a top 10 top 15 but not a win, you
• 38:58
  know. So but yeah I mean but yeah
• 39:00
  things and then you know obviously like I said sponsors
• 39:02
  and you know our team you know I mean it was harder for you know
• 39:06
  at the time Labonte racing over Childress Racing over, Roush
• 39:10
  racing over hit you, no other these.
• 39:12
  These teams are not going to be like we were at one down not
• 39:16
  like we were at one time with Carl, why?
• 39:18
  A core building our Motors. It was all of a sudden you had
• 39:20
  to be all roush's cars, all of Hendrick cars, all of whoever
• 39:24
  you know all the are, you know, all those big teams and you know
• 39:27
  that's what he got kind of caught up in that too because he
• 39:30
  didn't go drive for somebody else that had more money.
• 39:32
  We were just trying to do it out of, you know, family.
• 39:34
  Family reason. I find it really interesting
• 39:37
  that my brother Rusty his boy Steve.
• 39:42
  My brother, Mike, his boy Matt. And I'm a tell you I love them
• 39:45
  both equally but met my brother Mike's boy, man.
• 39:48
  Is incredibly talented and was winning down at New Smyrna
• 39:53
  during speed weeks. And I'm in Victory Lane with him
• 39:56
  in the late model stocks in order, super late model, Stevens
• 39:59
  win. Even, you know, wins.
• 40:01
  And then all of a sudden, I'm just kind of comparing this to
• 40:04
  Justice. Like one day, they said, I'm
• 40:06
  out. I'm not going to race in our
• 40:08
  day. I'm not speaking for you, but
• 40:11
  I'm saying in my day, I beg borrowed stole.
• 40:16
  I was going to be a race car. Driver come hell, or high water.
• 40:18
  Water. And it seems like and this is a
• 40:21
  compliment. A Justin am at Mike's.
• 40:25
  Boy. They just send them.
• 40:27
  It's just ridiculous. I'm going to do something else.
• 40:30
  Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, I don't know that coming.
• 40:33
  I think Justin was one his choice.
• 40:37
  It was handed to him. Like yeah, we're you know, we're
• 40:40
  we don't have a sponsor. So what are you gonna do?
• 40:42
  You're right. What you're supposed to say.
• 40:44
  Hey, I'm going to do something different.
• 40:46
  You know, we're going to salute right now.
• 40:50
  So yeah. So there's that's the, you know,
• 40:53
  that that's a little bit different in some ways but, you
• 40:55
  know, but but I think your point and and what we did probably Ten
• 41:02
  years prior to that. It was a little bit easier, beg,
• 41:05
  borrow and steal. And then for him, it was harder
• 41:08
  to make Barn Steel on to that, to get to that level, because
• 41:12
  you can go run a Xfinity car Busch car.
• 41:16
  Still very cheap when Justin was doing it so, but you can run
• 41:19
  late model a lot cheaper. Yeah.
• 41:22
  So, you know, you kind of have to pick your battle, right?
• 41:24
  So it's like, well, I could do this right, you know, me and
• 41:28
  Charlie Marlo are my YouTube manager.
• 41:30
  My friend, we talk about people love to know about money and so
• 41:33
  I like Rusty, says, Herman. You take that you never puncture
• 41:37
  the skin but and I don't, but I will tell you Bobbi that, you
• 41:41
  know, when I was racing you, we had Cox treated, lumber Rusty
• 41:45
  had zero. We had Miller, these are all
• 41:47
  very small Associates, you know, I mean we did everything we
• 41:51
  could do, but we spent six hundred thousand dollars racing.
• 41:54
  You, you know, in the V6 days, you know, I mean, I don't, you
• 41:58
  know what I mean? We spent 600 gram.
• 42:01
  Now. If you're running the Xfinity
• 42:02
  series the same Series. Yeah, you know, if you don't get
• 42:06
  six million in drivers are driving for nothing nowadays.
• 42:10
  I mean, I think Rusty, paid me. 25,000 dollars back then, but me
• 42:14
  and you were crew members. We were separated toe and then
• 42:17
  get in the car in qualifying to Daytona.
• 42:19
  Yeah, it was just so yeah, just different.
• 42:23
  Yeah, you know sore coming down to the end here.
• 42:27
  By the way, you know, we've done Tony Stewart, we've done Mark
• 42:29
  Martin, I've heard Kevin Harvick or getting ready to harvest but
• 42:35
  this is what these interviews are about.
• 42:36
  It's a no it's about just everything people what started
• 42:41
  the Kenny conversation is everywhere I go.
• 42:45
  What's babita Banu? You doing what, you know, so
• 42:49
  that's what Kenny conversation is about.
• 42:51
  So we're coming down to the end here.
• 42:54
  Want to wrap up the race and just a little bit before we get
• 42:57
  your opinion on. NASCAR you're driving for
• 43:02
  Hermie, Sadler in the smart tour.
• 43:04
  The modified is that right you know smart modified tour
• 43:08
  Southern modified auto racing, NASCAR National Auto so tell me
• 43:17
  about that mod your badass in it.
• 43:20
  Well I mean you know we started off you know kind of a the the
• 43:23
  way the funny Goes is. Um, I'm just cruising along back
• 43:29
  prior to covid and Kris Williams.
• 43:34
  You know, Kris Williams souvenir Legend.
• 43:36
  Yep. And so, he's racing Bowman Gray.
• 43:40
  So I'm in a place in my life where I'm, I doing crap, okay, I
• 43:46
  ain't doing nothing. I mean, I'm doing TV stuff, but
• 43:48
  I'm not racing damn, I guess until I get it.
• 43:50
  So I did a I think I did a vintage race.
• 43:54
  This was Scott borchetta did one at ND with Gary cluck thanks
• 44:06
  Gary. And oh yeah that's about it
• 44:08
  right? I mean yeah.
• 44:10
  So Chris calls me one day and says, hey we come let's come
• 44:13
  over here at Bowman Gray. Help me was modified.
• 44:15
  You know, I've never been to Bowman Gray and it's 18 miles
• 44:18
  from my house. Bowman Gray you never been Next
• 44:24
  time, you're in town, we should go most rings watch, right?
• 44:29
  So I go over there. So this is the oddest on Scott
• 44:32
  Street, I walk in there, I pay five dollars, I have my helmet,
• 44:35
  my uniform walk in there, I see first there's like four years
• 44:39
  ago. Yeah.
• 44:40
  So I saw Chris so he's with Burt Myers.
• 44:42
  So I know Bert. No of Burke, you know, kind of
• 44:44
  love everybody. I knows dad a little bit.
• 44:46
  Probably more, you know, hurt maybe to a point Jason's there.
• 44:50
  So anyway, I go walk up there and I watch Chris, go out and
• 44:53
  run a few laps. Apps and he's all right, ma'am.
• 44:55
  Once you get in it and a few laughs you can help me out
• 44:57
  because he's trying to drive, he's driving it.
• 44:59
  Okay. So I'm not sure where he got
• 45:02
  the, you know, hey, I want to drive a race car, but he that's
• 45:04
  what he wanted to do. He's a big modified guy, but he
• 45:06
  want to drive home a gray. Let me, let me say something.
• 45:08
  Keep your thought for a minute. I want the people to know.
• 45:10
  This is the real modified, the bad boy, the big wide tires,
• 45:15
  like, baddest modifieds. There are ya.
• 45:18
  Bowman Gray, runs smaller tires because it's such a great
• 45:21
  writer, still big. He's so big right now, but thank
• 45:24
  you. I mean he'll he's they're
• 45:25
  building Motors I mean they're all cheated up every night,
• 45:27
  she'd everybody. So absolutely anyway so I get in
• 45:32
  it. Push the seed in.
• 45:33
  I go out. Run about 20 laps, I come in.
• 45:35
  I'm like You know, that's you know, I got only gas sooner,
• 45:40
  drove a little deeper than Chris.
• 45:42
  It's a little tighter. I don't know.
• 45:43
  You know, it's okay. So I think I might do one more
• 45:45
  time, he drove it, I drove it. Okay, so I got ready to leave.
• 45:49
  Are you coming back tonight to run to watch?
• 45:52
  I said probably just sit at home.
• 45:55
  Watch TV my wife's at school, she went to Duke to get her MBA
• 45:58
  so she's been gone every other weekend.
• 46:00
  You're a bachelor by yourself. I guess I'll just hang up on
• 46:03
  myself. I'm gonna do crap.
• 46:05
  So about 6:30, you know, Like oh Mazel right over there.
• 46:07
  So I go over there so I paid $15 to get in.
• 46:12
  So I get my arm band and I go over there and see Chris and
• 46:15
  they qualify and here and blah, blah blah and talk to them and
• 46:19
  ice cover here. And I go up with Terry Hall and
• 46:22
  watch from the spotter stand. Watch.
• 46:25
  Oh crap. It's like get back down there
• 46:27
  after races are there's like two fights going on over here on
• 46:30
  like this? Why did I want to get rid of
• 46:32
  that show? It was so good.
• 46:34
  And I'm like, man, this is awesome.
• 46:36
  I said, So everybody asked me, this is what do you think?
• 46:38
  I say this is best, 20 bucks. I've spent a long time, you
• 46:41
  can't buy, you can't buy this adventure for 20 bucks anywhere
• 46:44
  else, right? So we started going on, this is
• 46:47
  I don't want to run out of time here.
• 46:49
  Sir. Going on your that, that track
• 46:51
  was on what was it called? Madhouse on him.
• 46:54
  It was I can't believe they got rid of it.
• 46:56
  Yeah so so anyway so I go back over there after a few weeks and
• 47:00
  I get with Burton we had he had extra car.
• 47:02
  Got a sponsor and they put it together and I go test one time
• 47:05
  and Then I go race. All right, so I go there.
• 47:08
  One night to race and I'm like, okay, we qualified, you know,
• 47:11
  fair and we're running running the race.
• 47:14
  Of course, I get the car before the race starts.
• 47:15
  I line up on pit on the racetrack, there's 14,000
• 47:18
  people, I mean, it's not like you're no longer facing.
• 47:22
  Yes, not like four thousand or two thousand is for Wednesday
• 47:25
  and Thursday night, Saturday nights.
• 47:28
  Okay, Sarah nice. Yeah, so we pull out there and I
• 47:31
  first thought was, what am I doing?
• 47:33
  Is, you're going to have to run into somebody and I usually
• 47:35
  don't spend people out, right? No, I'm going on.
• 47:38
  They're going along and I'm running along and finally I get
• 47:40
  spun out by John Smith right and which that is nothing at the
• 47:46
  time it's just happens right about.
• 47:48
  I mean it's just racing, you know, so I get to the infield,
• 47:51
  come back out blah, blah, blah. So then we go back another night
• 47:54
  I'm running and Tony eury. Jr.
• 47:56
  Is my crew chief, right? So now you this is always funny
• 48:00
  because when we set the toe you know they paint the tire and
• 48:04
  then put the screwdriver up grinding here.
• 48:07
  Dale dale. See Dale Junior's Posse.
• 48:11
  Crew. Chief right, right?
• 48:12
  Yeah. Not everybody knows these names.
• 48:15
  Bobby. I gotta remind people.
• 48:16
  Yep. Tony eury jr.
• 48:18
  His crew chief. So we work on the car, we get a
• 48:20
  little bit better. Blah, blah, blah.
• 48:21
  We go out and run. And I remember what lap it was
• 48:23
  is a caution come out. We got a little bit of, you
• 48:27
  know, bumper tag. I said, hey man, I I think I got
• 48:31
  park it. He goes why I say the A-frames
• 48:35
  loose. He goes oh how you know?
• 48:39
  I said I can see it. There's a prank right there in
• 48:43
  front of me I'm like I can see all those shoes are find out
• 48:45
  letters. Yeah.
• 48:47
  It was like okay so I pulled off and we were done so fast forward
• 48:51
  a little bit. I think that might have been, I
• 48:53
  can remember. Now I think it is co but
• 48:54
  happened or something like that happen so I get a call from
• 49:04
  Terry Hall and and Android. D Mike Smith and said, hey can
• 49:09
  you drive our modified at Florence because his brother
• 49:12
  John Smith year and a half ago? You know, whatever.
• 49:16
  You know it? Yeah, yeah.
• 49:18
  And you know, but again, that was a funny other than the name.
• 49:21
  So the person. So anyway, she's only down to
• 49:23
  Florence and I'm like, all right, this is gonna be
• 49:27
  interesting. So I drove down there drawback
• 49:29
  because I thought, well, they don't want me to come back, I'm
• 49:30
  not going to get a hotel bring, right?
• 49:32
  So I go down there, practice car, come back, I go back the
• 49:35
  next day. If I'd first finished fourth and
• 49:37
  I like, I like this. This is okay, this is okay.
• 49:41
  So you know it's one of those things too.
• 49:42
  When I left Pit Road, I went okay I got to break my left
• 49:44
  foot. It's gonna be difficult, right?
• 49:47
  Amedeo, you know how I am. Herman is like, um, yeah, that
• 49:52
  was a little chore for me to figure that out like a lap.
• 49:55
  Three. Right.
• 49:56
  So anyway, so that's it. All worked out all worked out.
• 49:59
  So that's so the. So this year driving so sorry,
• 50:04
  but I've always talked to you because you and the light great
• 50:11
  dick. Dribble were the only fast one
• 50:14
  foot Drive. Purrs that wanted also Dick
• 50:17
  Trickle would say, my boy you either on the gas or off of it.
• 50:21
  So your whole career in the cup series, you want everything on
• 50:25
  the gas taking that same foot over on the break.
• 50:29
  Am I right? That's correct.
• 50:30
  Yeah, that's unbelievable. I tried both sometimes it didn't
• 50:34
  seem like it was any faster. So I was like, why should I do
• 50:36
  that, right? Bobby.
• 50:37
  You downplay such a big deal. That's huge.
• 50:40
  So, so anyway, so now how is Gloucester, right over it?
• 50:44
  Popped over here. So anyway, so so it's the series
• 50:48
  has grown so much and this year. Ryan Newman and I are both
• 50:52
  teammates. No need for.
• 50:55
  Yep, for Hermie Sadler. And yeah I mean they're a blast
• 50:59
  and so you know one reason why you've won in not in that car
• 51:05
  but you want your mom a couple years ago won two in a row and
• 51:09
  we finished third in points last year, you know, I mean, just
• 51:12
  consistently consistently eyes. Always seem to miss Victory Lane
• 51:17
  by just a skosh but we're always pretty quick.
• 51:19
  I mean, you know where we never were out of the out of the hunt.
• 51:23
  So this year started off a little slow, I mean qualified
• 51:26
  second run in second with few laps to go they'll back at
• 51:30
  loose, you know. So we're trying to find our way
• 51:32
  but our best race so far this year was at Richmond.
• 51:35
  Okay it on the big track right? Well yeah yeah so we ran with on
• 51:38
  the wheel and tour which is what was the the excitement about
• 51:42
  drawing for her me is. So we're going to get to do that
• 51:44
  four times this year. So Richmond was one, will do
• 51:47
  Martinsville will do Langley and we'll do North Wilkesboro.
• 51:51
  So, so excited about that opportunity and, you know, we
• 51:56
  still were fast everywhere. We can't seem to close the deal
• 52:00
  to get the top three or when yet, but I feel like that's
• 52:03
  coming. I talked to Ryan Lewis
• 52:05
  yesterday. I was like, I'm really excited
• 52:07
  about every race that we go forward.
• 52:11
  He's got such as a couple tracks coming up.
• 52:13
  He's going to love I just I know how he is.
• 52:15
  Is gonna be great for him. And so, but for me like
• 52:18
  Richmond, you know, we qualified ape had a couple of pit stops.
• 52:24
  We lost some spots could roll back to six a lot of cars there.
• 52:27
  Yep. Past past cars and I mean great
• 52:29
  drives good. Yep.
• 52:31
  So so great drivers. So anyway so we finish there and
• 52:34
  we ran the South Boston that night.
• 52:36
  Yeah. So yeah, heck of a heck of a
• 52:39
  deal and you know Army gave us this opportunity and yeah I mean
• 52:43
  it's it's real. So, a little bit about life, I
• 52:48
  feel like I'm always interjecting because you,
• 52:50
  downplay, everything, I Yuan Schrader or a little bit the
• 52:54
  same. You, you are incredibly good.
• 52:57
  I feel like both of you, I mean Bobby, this is me saying this,
• 53:00
  this is a compliment. I feel like although you try
• 53:04
  your, you have got a god-given talent, you're incredibly good.
• 53:08
  And so I think that's why when we're having fun with this
• 53:11
  conversation, I'm I'm always interjecting because I do you
• 53:15
  You know, that you downplay your abilities, do you mean, listen,
• 53:20
  you want to an Xfinity Championship, you've won a cup
• 53:23
  Championship. You, you've won an Sr X-rays.
• 53:26
  I mean, you literally have done it all.
• 53:28
  Do you know you're that good? Do you know you have a god-given
• 53:33
  talent? And don't don't downplay the
• 53:35
  answer. Do you ever ride along in your
• 53:37
  passenger car and go? Damn, I have a God's Gift.
• 53:42
  Well, I didn't. I don't you.
• 53:45
  Two things you could do mine. Now, two things come to mind
• 53:49
  when I got my ARCA license in my eye and my I am see a license.
• 53:55
  Yeah, that's where I got my MCH stickers.
• 53:57
  I mean that I thought that right there put me over the top
• 54:00
  Schrader told me. He said, if you keep it keep at
• 54:02
  this, you're going somewhere in same fashion, you downplay
• 54:07
  everything, you know, the qualified, a to a normal race,
• 54:11
  we go. Look 62, cars.
• 54:12
  Showed up at 8:00, that's dirt. And so we're going to wrap this
• 54:17
  part of me so I was I wasn't GoPro the other day because all
• 54:20
  my stuff broke. So I got the rental carts and I
• 54:23
  looked up and I'm like, all right, I'm 10th quick for the
• 54:25
  week and eyes is all these kids up there and I'm like So you
• 54:31
  still great I need to come back in the morning with a track
• 54:35
  schooler include quicker. Right.
• 54:36
  Instead of the afternoon, it's hot though you are a badass and
• 54:42
  so it's that time now where the way Kenny conversation works is
• 54:46
  we talked about it all and then at the very end we go for what
• 54:52
  we know and what made you popular Bobby's a good person
• 54:57
  but we got to talk about NASCAR for a little bit.
• 54:59
  Don't want to get you in trouble and nobody's getting in trouble,
• 55:05
  your opinion on NASCAR right now, what is it?
• 55:11
  Well, I think that It is, it is as good or better for the time.
• 55:23
  That anything else 15 years ago, it was as good as it was for the
• 55:30
  time, but times have changed, right?
• 55:33
  So it's not easy. It was easy back then, and 95 to
• 55:39
  2005, it just kind of happened, you know, the popularity, you
• 55:43
  know, the 75 million fans or whatever it was.
• 55:46
  Is called and you know, when Dale, seniors alive and we had
• 55:50
  all these drivers that were like to buy so many right?
• 55:57
  And we had sponsors that put everything into place to make a
• 56:01
  lot of people household names, Coca-Cola, good point, you know,
• 56:06
  Interstate Batteries, you know, you had Jeff Gordon with Dupont.
• 56:09
  You had ups with Dale Jarrett. You know, you had so many
• 56:12
  sponsors and Mark, Martin Folgers for babbling, you know?
• 56:15
  I mean, You just you could rattle them off.
• 56:17
  Today is like it's harder to do so to me, I don't know that
• 56:22
  anybody could have predicted what took place in the last 10
• 56:26
  years or since Earnhardt passed away.
• 56:28
  How this, how it was going to go, y'all think it's going to
• 56:31
  get bigger and better and all that stuff.
• 56:33
  I mean my gosh TV, and streaming and YouTube and all of them are
• 56:39
  a lot of stuff has changed from when in those Glory years,
• 56:43
  right? So in my mind, Mind.
• 56:46
  I think that no different than it could have been better.
• 56:50
  No different than now, it can be better but I think for what what
• 56:55
  everybody is giving given the circumstances of Life, the
• 57:00
  circumstances of, you know, attention spans attend, you
• 57:04
  know, phones or whatever it could be.
• 57:07
  I think that's our show, they watch five minutes because they
• 57:10
  can't go anymore because the brains messed up, right?
• 57:13
  Everybody's doing what I Saying. Yeah, I mean, so I think, in my
• 57:20
  mind, I view it is every racist. I mean, I hate when people say I
• 57:24
  was a terrible race. I'm like, man, you know,
• 57:27
  terrible races are all good, just depends on what side of the
• 57:29
  fence. You want to look at it, you want
• 57:30
  to look at it as great or if you don't like if you don't like
• 57:33
  wrecking, okay? That's your opinion.
• 57:36
  But if you if I mean, if you like wrecking that your opinion
• 57:39
  if you don't like wrecking, my opinion is it was a great race
• 57:42
  Dover is going to be a great race.
• 57:43
  I can tell you that before because there's going to be some
• 57:45
  things in it that That I know about that, sometimes the fan
• 57:48
  doesn't know about. Well, we're Jay, will he know
• 57:50
  too much? We right.
• 57:52
  So, so saying that. Could it be better?
• 57:55
  Yeah. But I also think that not every
• 57:59
  idea is a great idea, right? I have some what I think is a
• 58:03
  great idea, not very good, but it happens that way.
• 58:07
  So in you learn by your mistakes or you you, you know, I mean
• 58:11
  sometimes you just don't make those mistakes, right?
• 58:14
  Because and you You have somebody to me somebody needs to
• 58:18
  be on your shoulder back here. Saying you go man I think it'd
• 58:23
  be great if we change this to a glass bottle and blah, blah
• 58:28
  blah. People like so somebody needs to
• 58:31
  say why would you do that? You know, I mean, that's a bad
• 58:35
  example, but you know, why would you do that?
• 58:37
  And so somebody, somebody needs to be in charge on some things
• 58:42
  to say when some things in the whole Sports is somebody says
• 58:47
  hey I think it's a good idea to do that.
• 58:48
  And so my needs tap on shoulder. Say what if we just didn't do
• 58:51
  that we just left alone. Does she say say stage breaks,
• 58:54
  right? Yeah.
• 58:55
  Like stages, like what if we just didn't do that?
• 58:58
  I think it'd be. Okay.
• 58:59
  We just need to not worry, you know?
• 59:00
  I mean something that Doesn't really everybody thinks it's
• 59:04
  going to be better but sometimes they're not always better,
• 59:06
  right? Let me comment on something, but
• 59:08
  there is a lot of things that are good, but it's just
• 59:12
  evolution of how it could be a little bit better here, a little
• 59:14
  bit better there you and I are on the same wavelength and I
• 59:17
  have specific questions going on with NASCAR, but I want to talk
• 59:21
  about that for a minute. Ed Lucas, who was the president
• 59:24
  of Toyota was a friend of all of ours, he still doing great, but
• 59:28
  he's not in charge of Motorsports at NASCAR anymore.
• 59:31
  He said something I'll never Forget he said, as soon as those
• 59:34
  Nascar cup cars changed their paint jobs, they dilute
• 59:39
  everything. So all I have to do Bobby is see
• 59:44
  the color green and I think a Bobby Labonte.
• 59:47
  I like, I like what you said back then and mean you aren't
• 59:52
  doing that, you know, I ran through the snow and foot being
• 59:56
  a foot of snow and we're not doing that.
• 59:58
  But what you're saying that, I do want to comment on what a
• 1:00:01
  compliment you You are really because Ed lauca said that.
• 1:00:05
  So we made Superstars back then because Earnhardt was the GM
• 1:00:08
  Goodwrench Chevrolet. Rusty Wallace was Miller Miller.
• 1:00:12
  I mean Jeff Gordon was weakened logs.
• 1:00:15
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:00:16
  So it is a my opinion that we have this small circle.
• 1:00:22
  Now the names I mean Joey logano's are two-time Champion.
• 1:00:26
  Yes he's a legend. He kind of got in right at that
• 1:00:29
  but I mean for me it is Harder. Nowadays to make Superstars
• 1:00:36
  because every race is like. Okay.
• 1:00:39
  What cars are Ross Chastain driving while he's driving
• 1:00:42
  Fred's going now? And then tomorrow, he'll be
• 1:00:45
  riding driving buscar. Don't you?
• 1:00:49
  Bring up a good point. It's very hard to make, NASCAR
• 1:00:53
  Superstars because we don't know what the hell Carver in.
• 1:00:56
  All right? And that that is that's where
• 1:01:00
  Interstate Battery Coca-Cola. Put me up my name.
• 1:01:03
  You know, when I had a stand up every weekend at the racetrack
• 1:01:06
  in a Walmart or in a Food Lion or yeah they knew young Kroger's
• 1:01:10
  or whatever and so yeah I mean that that's that's one thing now
• 1:01:16
  saying that and and we just say it this way is I want I would
• 1:01:22
  love to see Erik Jones, a Christopher Bell oh Ross
• 1:01:25
  Chastain just to name a few and to have that house.
• 1:01:32
  Old name, and at be able to earn that money, that, you know,
• 1:01:40
  that, you know, you're known so much more not from the melon
• 1:01:47
  last lap deal, but for, you know, being there, consistently
• 1:01:53
  and I can't do nothing about the sponsorship.
• 1:01:55
  But I hope I want those guys to be able to have that long
• 1:01:59
  career. Flourish.
• 1:02:02
  And not and enjoy it. Like I did, you know, how do you
• 1:02:07
  do that? You didn't have to be a race
• 1:02:09
  fan. You just walked in somewhere and
• 1:02:10
  you're like, wow, there's a stand-up of Bobby, the body.
• 1:02:13
  And when they saw you, yeah, they made millions of stand-ups.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah. Kurt Busch, you know, Sharpie,
• 1:02:19
  you know, I mean, it was huge, right?
• 1:02:20
  So so to me back, then there was a connection was easy because of
• 1:02:26
  what you said, all the cars that drivers and it just made it easy
• 1:02:29
  right harder now, so, Tougher. So how do you bridge that Gap?
• 1:02:35
  Or how do you help that Gap out? Yeah, and I think, you know,
• 1:02:38
  obviously Jeff Gordon going to be owning or, you know, so big
• 1:02:43
  with Hendrick. I mean, he's running it right?
• 1:02:45
  Jimmie Johnson coming in. Absolutely, you know, Kevin
• 1:02:48
  Harvick going to the booth warrior in the booth Burton Dale
• 1:02:52
  jr. On NBC.
• 1:02:54
  So the TV thanks so drivers are involved.
• 1:02:56
  But I think there's a way. I mean there is, how can there
• 1:03:00
  be a way that I can say? That I can promote not just one
• 1:03:04
  driver but you know, promote drivers because what happens to
• 1:03:08
  me is whenever I was in the mid 90s I was a people would say man
• 1:03:14
  I picked you because Davey Allison got killed at your my
• 1:03:16
  next favorite driver. Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Or I picked you because so-and-so retired humor.
• 1:03:19
  Next favorite driver. I hear it all the time, but your
• 1:03:22
  but what happens then is, it was easier for the dad to bring the
• 1:03:26
  kid to the race and enjoy the weekend because it didn't cost
• 1:03:29
  so much and it was just, you didn't have to you, you had to
• 1:03:32
  come Chitter, you were going to get to watch it, right?
• 1:03:34
  So then today there's a bigger disconnect in the kids being
• 1:03:39
  brought by the dads. So, I see the dads, I see the
• 1:03:43
  dad's now because he was a kid. When he remembered me, he's
• 1:03:46
  bringing his kid, but it's just not quite the same.
• 1:03:48
  So if he can connect me with his me, and his kid, and hopefully,
• 1:03:54
  as impressionable as kids are today, that they'll go, oh,
• 1:03:58
  NASCAR, I remember my dad took me there.
• 1:04:00
  Instead of like I went to some race and I Remember it because I
• 1:04:03
  was of about and too busy doing looking at my phone, you know.
• 1:04:07
  So how do you connect all that together?
• 1:04:10
  And I think everybody does a great job at Grassroots racing
• 1:04:13
  it kind of puts people out there you know the SRX gets the you
• 1:04:17
  know different you know I mean I think it's all there but it's
• 1:04:20
  just how you know I mean it's just how do you keep up with
• 1:04:23
  that and how do you keep the 55 year old guy with his 12 year?
• 1:04:29
  Old kid or eight year old kid or whatever that How did he how
• 1:04:33
  does he get him involved in NASCAR where he's a fan?
• 1:04:36
  So how do you get that happening?
• 1:04:38
  And this is a this is not a dig. This is me.
• 1:04:42
  The reason we are where we're at is because we're not balanced
• 1:04:48
  anymore. We don't need 10 million dollars
• 1:04:53
  to run the year. We need 20 million so therefore
• 1:04:56
  there's no corporate company in America there there's not one
• 1:05:01
  corporate Any in America that you go hey I need 20 million
• 1:05:05
  dollars. I think the last one could be
• 1:05:07
  FedEx and we know we know for a fact in any Witnesses me saying
• 1:05:12
  this we know that Denny Hamlin is possibly the highest-paid
• 1:05:17
  driver right now. Maybe making six million dollar
• 1:05:19
  Basin. There's ones, making four
• 1:05:21
  hundred thousand bases that are running in the top ten and this
• 1:05:24
  is all because we can't get that money.
• 1:05:28
  So we're are were out of whack this fort.
• 1:05:32
  Us too much for the money you can get.
• 1:05:34
  And that's why we have a different sponsor, every single
• 1:05:37
  week on the card. I just wanted to say that so
• 1:05:41
  penalties and fines but I think that NASCAR is but I think
• 1:05:44
  NASCAR, I think everybody, I think there's a for the way the
• 1:05:49
  society is I think NASCAR is doing a great job at a lot of
• 1:05:52
  things. So it is but it's also they were
• 1:05:55
  dealt cards 20 years ago and they handled it this way and
• 1:05:59
  they're dealt cards now and they handled this way and It's it's
• 1:06:03
  it's not that it's they're not doing the wrong thing.
• 1:06:06
  It's just learning the new thing, new way to do things, so
• 1:06:11
  you and I are good with our money.
• 1:06:12
  We're not dummies. Years ago mean you built a whole
• 1:06:17
  race car, whole Cup car. Now, I'm not talking years ago.
• 1:06:19
  Maybe let's go 20 years ago. We built a whole Cup car for 150
• 1:06:24
  Grand. And that's, that's stretching
• 1:06:26
  it. Yeah, I've talked to everybody,
• 1:06:29
  I mean, the cars right now are 400,000 Plus or you know, I
• 1:06:33
  mean, plus not minus. So that's what I say by out of
• 1:06:37
  balance. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:06:39
  You know. So, okay, moving on, a couple
• 1:06:43
  more things. Fun stuff about NASCAR.
• 1:06:46
  Ask Tony Stewart, I asked Mark Martin, he's penalties in these
• 1:06:49
  fines, what is your, what is your thought on the, you know,
• 1:06:55
  penalties and the fines right now?
• 1:06:57
  It seems like it's unbelievable like every week.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah. I mean, obviously.
• 1:07:06
  You know, I don't know. There's there's a point that I
• 1:07:14
  guess there's a point that we've gotten skewed out of whack here
• 1:07:20
  on this because there's a for people to get fined and
• 1:07:24
  suspended and it's like over The greenhouse is a mm.
• 1:07:31
  Mm it's exaggeration but off you know, it's like the same thing,
• 1:07:34
  my god. Oh yeah.
• 1:07:35
  And and the humidity and the in the sunshine change that more
• 1:07:40
  than somebody, you know. So I mean it's like I mean
• 1:07:45
  there's I mean it's like time out time out.
• 1:07:54
  Yeah, right. It's like time out.
• 1:07:56
  What? Why don't we I don't.
• 1:07:58
  Why can't we make it where it's not, not all that important
• 1:08:01
  anymore. And somehow just kind of put it
• 1:08:04
  back to the some Ingenuity and some driver.
• 1:08:07
  And some luck. You know, instead of
• 1:08:10
  everything's got to be the thickness of this glass here,
• 1:08:14
  you know, and it's like dude I mean I mean I that all that does
• 1:08:19
  is cost more money right for the team.
• 1:08:21
  So saying all that, you know? And I think to me, if you're
• 1:08:26
  going to if you're going to Present a car for inspection.
• 1:08:29
  I get it present. This car for inspection.
• 1:08:31
  Here Comes this car rolls in there.
• 1:08:34
  All right, you're clear your good roller out to the line and
• 1:08:37
  have at it, boys, you know. Don't that's it.
• 1:08:41
  It's over inspection to thank you back home and dissect it,
• 1:08:44
  right? Yeah, it's a, you know, don't
• 1:08:46
  don't do that. I mean, if you know, I mean just
• 1:08:50
  don't do that. I mean, back in the day, it's if
• 1:08:52
  your engines big. You're kicked out if your
• 1:08:55
  spoilers too high, that's a problem, but Don't go back and
• 1:09:00
  you know measure I mean dissect so much it's I don't know.
• 1:09:04
  I mean again that's that thing that's like somebody should go.
• 1:09:07
  Hey are you doing too much here? Maybe we should help but try
• 1:09:12
  eating right now. Maybe just hate that just easy
• 1:09:16
  on the Pines easy on the penalties and just go easy for a
• 1:09:20
  little bit. I'm not saying you got to be you
• 1:09:22
  got to meet their criteria, the rules.
• 1:09:24
  We've got to me damn rules. And the problem is that that now
• 1:09:31
  this is just me. It's not a question.
• 1:09:32
  I just, I just like to create conversation with you for me.
• 1:09:38
  I do the Kenny Wallace YouTube show and the penalties in the
• 1:09:41
  fines are bigger than the race. It's like, you know, Joey Logano
• 1:09:46
  won the race, but that's not the story.
• 1:09:47
  The story is, you know, so-and-so got fine before
• 1:09:51
  hundred thousand dollars and that's the problem.
• 1:09:54
  Yeah. Whenever I mean I hate this is
• 1:09:57
  nose. Much to TMI here, but it goes
• 1:10:00
  back to that Monday morning you at the office, which nobody
• 1:10:03
  works anymore from office, but if you go to the office and your
• 1:10:05
  standard. See that's why you're funny
• 1:10:08
  pissing in the urinal. He's the guy beside you.
• 1:10:10
  Hey see, Joey Logano won. Yeah.
• 1:10:11
  Mine is a heck of a race. Yeah.
• 1:10:13
  Oh yeah but he got he got kicked out.
• 1:10:16
  You just went. There we go.
• 1:10:17
  Yeah. All right I'm just I'm sorry
• 1:10:18
  just peed all over you. I just walked out.
• 1:10:21
  It's like so you're right. So it's more about it's more
• 1:10:24
  about the drama, right? Actually, Race.
• 1:10:28
  So and it's like, oh my God, I mean that talk about I mean
• 1:10:33
  that's just I mean that over, it's overwhelming too much and
• 1:10:37
  yeah, I don't, I wish that wouldn't happen.
• 1:10:40
  I mean, I wouldn't, it be nice to go about six or eight weeks,
• 1:10:44
  or 12 weeks without anybody getting any find, or we're
• 1:10:47
  getting a little dance. And let's just, let's just have
• 1:10:50
  a race, you know, I mean, that's Sonoma.
• 1:10:52
  Race was awesome. Yeah, I mean, you know that
• 1:10:55
  track house car, one and Chastain was sick.
• 1:10:58
  Hitting Torrez was third. Add this program out of gas at
• 1:11:00
  the top of the hill. Yeah.
• 1:11:02
  And man that was also you see that guy turnover on the tires.
• 1:11:04
  Yeah, so all that blah blah. Okay yeah right yeah traitor and
• 1:11:10
  so at the end and then go, all right, you know, good game,
• 1:11:13
  let's go next week. Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Okay and instead of like, oh oh oh, somebody was 30,000, all
• 1:11:20
  masking tape on the front of his car.
• 1:11:23
  Yeah. And we had 16 people had to be
• 1:11:25
  sent home because they didn't go through.
• 1:11:27
  In the first case like Ami. So the story and then the other
• 1:11:32
  story and the other story out ways that story, I mean I know
• 1:11:35
  what they're trying to do. They don't want, you know it's
• 1:11:38
  not like it used to be worried, fudge, everything and bustard
• 1:11:40
  go, it just don't look right. I know it would you know blah
• 1:11:43
  blah blah but you know I get it but it's like I don't know.
• 1:11:47
  That sounds good to me. You know like I said I'm jaded
• 1:11:50
  some people inside the sport will say well you don't know the
• 1:11:54
  whole story. I'm like yeah I do and now the
• 1:11:55
  whole damn story. Yeah.
• 1:11:58
  Okay. So The car itself. the card
• 1:12:05
  self, the next-gen car changed our sport forever one lug nut,
• 1:12:10
  you know, paddle shifting or not paddle shifting but you know,
• 1:12:13
  synchronized shifting basically, it's a whole new car, your
• 1:12:18
  thoughts on the car, Well I got to brag a little bit.
• 1:12:21
  So this new car I was probably one of the first ones to run
• 1:12:28
  this in the Sim. Hmm so I go to the Lara, you
• 1:12:33
  should brag and we did the old car at Kansas and the new card
• 1:12:39
  and the next-gen card Kansas. So the few things we were able
• 1:12:42
  to at the time because we didn't have the right map.
• 1:12:44
  All the right didn't have all the right maps for all the air.
• 1:12:49
  Row and everything like that, but we were like changing we're
• 1:12:51
  cambers and stuff like that. And so I run a couple days in
• 1:12:56
  the Sim and then I think I went to Richmond, ran it in the Sim
• 1:12:58
  and then Austin, ran it for real at Richmond after that.
• 1:13:02
  Right? So little known secret, this is
• 1:13:05
  good. No secret.
• 1:13:07
  Go gadget boy, was out there doing it again?
• 1:13:09
  So doing the same thing, so, yeah, I got boy, I still have a
• 1:13:17
  helmet at the Laura in Hindi I need to go get it actually,
• 1:13:22
  really good stuff. So anyway, so yeah, I think I
• 1:13:26
  don't know, I mean, I know this hard work on.
• 1:13:29
  I know is a lot of dang stuff on it and I mean, it goes back to
• 1:13:32
  that penalty. If you didn't put, the rice is
• 1:13:34
  good, the races are good. But it is.
• 1:13:36
  I mean, it's not, I mean, it is new.
• 1:13:38
  It is, it's it is what, you know, we're not racing a 65 Ford
• 1:13:45
  rear end with truck arms on it, but you know what, they don't
• 1:13:49
  build. Any more cars like that, I get
• 1:13:50
  it, you know, I mean the whole, you know, development of cars
• 1:13:54
  that we see on the street I mean I get it we need to look like
• 1:13:56
  that. So I mean sure some of some of
• 1:13:59
  me wishes. They still had a steering box in
• 1:14:01
  a truck armed with that body on it.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:14:04
  Just put the body of 70, right? Just put that body on it.
• 1:14:07
  But okay, so you talked somebody's like, well, we got to
• 1:14:10
  have sequential shift. We got to have this a Transit,
• 1:14:12
  okay? Okay, all right, all right, so
• 1:14:14
  the biggest thing I see is it does race good.
• 1:14:17
  I wish it was a little more. Double easy.
• 1:14:21
  I'll head say that easy, easy flexible and and I wish you
• 1:14:26
  didn't call so much. I mean, it'd be a whole lot
• 1:14:28
  better to have for three or four more car, owners out there
• 1:14:32
  getting into it, over 36, you know, 36 cars, 38 cars, 36.
• 1:14:36
  I mean, I'd like to see 43 over, we can't write.
• 1:14:39
  And so anyway, I mean, but it does race pretty cool, pretty
• 1:14:43
  good and I think the sounds pretty awesome.
• 1:14:46
  I mean at times I think it's cool but no I mean I mean I mean
• 1:14:50
  again I think it races good. You know I was at Martinsville.
• 1:14:54
  Oh I'm sorry. I did the TV thing.
• 1:14:56
  I was just going to go want you to go in and watch.
• 1:14:58
  I was just going to watch but I had to watch something else but
• 1:15:00
  like we went to, I went to Richmond.
• 1:15:02
  I was at Richmond for the race. On Sunday, we went to Bristol.
• 1:15:06
  Watch them will go to Darlington, will go to the Coke
• 1:15:10
  600, you know, so I'm still a fan of it.
• 1:15:13
  I mean I almost hit the grandstands or sweet if I can
• 1:15:16
  find it and you know, watch the racing because I still love it.
• 1:15:20
  It's still racing. Okay?
• 1:15:22
  It's still racing and all the winners last year, multiple
• 1:15:27
  winners, this year, I think that's good.
• 1:15:29
  So I think this car does bring so many good things in the
• 1:15:31
  sport. You know, everybody including
• 1:15:34
  myself is going to go. Well, it's not perfect.
• 1:15:37
  I wish it were a little bit lighter or a little bit
• 1:15:39
  flimsier, when you have a wreck, I wish it had a little bit of
• 1:15:43
  something, you know. But hey, I think all in all it's
• 1:15:46
  no different than so many things.
• 1:15:48
  We Racers do we don't like change and we don't like to not
• 1:15:53
  change. It's just we don't like nothing
• 1:15:55
  but the change has been good and it takes everybody a while to
• 1:15:58
  get used to it. This year has been a whole lot
• 1:16:00
  easier to swallow than last year last year was like oh my God you
• 1:16:04
  know this year is like oh it's just a race car then there's
• 1:16:07
  drivers and we're racing and we're competing for wins.
• 1:16:11
  Somebody's going to win and 36 is going to lose.
• 1:16:13
  So there you have it every weekend so that brings me to
• 1:16:16
  this the very end. What is good about, NASCAR, what
• 1:16:24
  is good about, NASCAR, you know, I I, I would say the good is
• 1:16:33
  what I what I love about is they, they are, there they are
• 1:16:37
  still there, they're still there, they're still putting on
• 1:16:40
  a great race. Great show.
• 1:16:43
  We can tweak out, I think that through covid, That it could
• 1:16:51
  have been man. It, you know, it could have gone
• 1:16:55
  that way, but instead, they took it, they kept, they kept making
• 1:17:00
  it happen, making it happen and they made it happen.
• 1:17:02
  And so, the commitment that they have, you know, the leadership
• 1:17:06
  being Jim Lisa on down the line and then, you know obviously
• 1:17:13
  O'Donnell Phelps and everybody below that but that whole
• 1:17:17
  leadership thing, the decisions that They made through that.
• 1:17:20
  And I think that they also, as much as I say, I wish this car
• 1:17:25
  was this wish it was that I remember standing down there and
• 1:17:29
  turn one at Watkins Glen and talking to Jim France and we're
• 1:17:31
  looking at an MC cargo by and he had like in my head he said
• 1:17:35
  something like these cars need look like that.
• 1:17:38
  Instead of the swap, each all card, you know not mocking you
• 1:17:41
  know we aren't and kind of wolpe driver is all roofed over and
• 1:17:44
  I'll quarter panels so but they know how to make it work, okay?
• 1:17:49
  Again the times are different but they know how to make it
• 1:17:51
  work. They know how to make the show
• 1:17:53
  work. They know how to make it all
• 1:17:55
  people, get their the race happens.
• 1:17:57
  Ins and it all works. It all work.
• 1:17:59
  So what to me what was great about NASCAR?
• 1:18:02
  Is they love it because it'd be easier for them to have said.
• 1:18:07
  Yeah. Okay, we're just, I mean, it's
• 1:18:09
  not as something many times could they have sold my God?
• 1:18:12
  That represent many cars, sold at a hundred times?
• 1:18:14
  Yeah, but instead, you know, even though the racer might go,
• 1:18:19
  I wish you wouldn't. They wouldn't have done that but
• 1:18:22
  they see a different version. They're not a 30,000 feet there
• 1:18:25
  at 50,000 feet and they see it as a whole and we Just look at
• 1:18:27
  it like that and so I think NASCAR, you know, as much as I
• 1:18:31
  can say, I wish that it done this.
• 1:18:33
  You know what? I probably couldn't do no
• 1:18:35
  better, they're doing a great job and we can tweak out.
• 1:18:38
  There are so many people that You know, a are employed by it
• 1:18:44
  make money at it and and fans still enjoy it.
• 1:18:48
  They still get everything they can get out of it and it's
• 1:18:51
  watched on TV all over the world and people go to the races week
• 1:18:54
  in and week out. So you know what else can you
• 1:18:56
  ask for? And they could have easily like
• 1:18:59
  you said they could have sold it or they could have, they could
• 1:19:01
  have made decisions that heard it instead of really just
• 1:19:04
  keeping it going and making it keep making it better.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah, I'm thinking I'm thinking of the Perfect Storm.
• 1:19:12
  They've weathered the storm. Wow!
• 1:19:15
  You and I will. Bobby.
• 1:19:17
  Listen, we're coming to an end and I want to say that.
• 1:19:19
  This is my opinion. You and I were blessed because
• 1:19:25
  we were in the greatest time in NASCAR history.
• 1:19:29
  There's no doubt in my mind that show it 1985 to 2006. 400,000
• 1:19:35
  people in the stands at the Brickyard 200, 250.
• 1:19:40
  And people in the stands, you know, at Charlotte but buddy
• 1:19:44
  those days are gone. I'm thankful that you're my
• 1:19:46
  friend. I love you, we stayed close.
• 1:19:50
  We do more things to got together now than we've ever
• 1:19:53
  done, you look good. And thank you so much, and I
• 1:19:58
  want to remind everybody that remember, we're digging on
• 1:20:00
  podcast. Now you'd listen to this show.
• 1:20:03
  When you go to work, it might take for trips.
• 1:20:06
  No, Charlie's going to break it up and segments, but it's going
• 1:20:08
  to be in its entirety. On Spotify.
• 1:20:11
  We're on iTunes, and Bobby. Thank you!
• 1:20:16
  Thank you, herb. I appreciate it to Kenny.
• 1:20:18
  Will I'm sure we'll talk to you after a while or the next day or
• 1:20:22
  two, but thanks for having me on the show on your show and I
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  really appreciate. Love you too Herman.
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  There he is. NASCAR champion.
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  One of the greatest all-time in the Hall of Fame.
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  He's done it all, I'll be the body until next time, everybody.
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  We'll see you next time.