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Young woman jogger Mollie Tibbetts snatched from Iowa street, killed, dumped in cornfield · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It was not the ending
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  Speaker 1: we had hoped for. It was not the ending we
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  Speaker 1: had prayed for. When you have been in the business
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  Speaker 1: of crime, you know in your head to expect this,
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  Speaker 1: but then when it happens, you're You're not ready for it.
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  Speaker 1: No matter how many cases I've tried, how many cases
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  Speaker 1: I've prepared and investigated or covered, Still not ready. Molly Tibbitts,
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  Speaker 1: twenty year old co ed from Iowa found dead. In
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  Speaker 1: the last hours we learn who her alleged attacker is.
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  Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Take a listen to the Iowa Division
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  Speaker 1: of Criminal Investigations. A complaint in affidavit names Christian Bahina
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  Speaker 1: rivera it's or who resides in rural Posche County, and
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  Speaker 1: he has been charged with murder in the first degree.
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  Speaker 1: A body was discovered early this morning in a farm
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  Speaker 1: field southeast of Brooklyn, Iowa. The identity has not been confirmed, however,
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  Speaker 1: we believe it to be the body of Molly Tippets,
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  Speaker 1: and first degree murder carries a penalty of life without
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of parole. Missing Iowa student Molly tipp is
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  Speaker 1: just twenty years old, her world ahead of her, found
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  Speaker 1: dead on a rural property just fifteen minutes from where
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  Speaker 1: she vanished weeks ago, one week after the FEDS say
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  Speaker 1: her kidnapper was hiding in plain sight, so clearly they knew.
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  Speaker 1: They knew at that time pretty much what had happened
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  Speaker 1: to Molly, and they were focusing on five areas because
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  Speaker 1: of what they knew. Now this we believe it's what
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  Speaker 1: they knew. Listen, and during our neighborhood canvas, we came
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  Speaker 1: across an individual that had security cameras. We took those cameras.
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  Speaker 1: He's kind enough to give us the footage from it,
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  Speaker 1: and through that we're able to identify a vehicle that
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  Speaker 1: we believe belonged to Mr. Rivera. It was a black
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  Speaker 1: malib you and from that we're able to track his
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  Speaker 1: pattern and the routes in which he took. We're also
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  Speaker 1: able to find Molly running on this video, and we're
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  Speaker 1: able to determine that he was one of the last
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  Speaker 1: ones to have seen Molly running based on the video
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  Speaker 1: again that we were able to seize from the general public.
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  Speaker 1: You are listening to crime stories. I'm Nancy Grace again.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. We are taking your calls,
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  Speaker 1: your tips, your questions. Nine zero nine four nine crime
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  Speaker 1: nine zero nine four nine two seven four six three
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  Speaker 1: straight out to Alexis Terres Chuck Radar online dot com Alexis,
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  Speaker 1: did they know for the last week after they said
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  Speaker 1: her killer is hiding in plain sight? Did they already know?
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  Speaker 1: Had they already seen the security surveillance home security surveillance
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  Speaker 1: that showed so much, revealed so much? Did they? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like they did, and this is what they
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  Speaker 1: used to identify him. And they described in the video
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  Speaker 1: that they had seen Molly running, so they knew this
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  Speaker 1: is where she was. And then this car was so suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: He kept driving back and forth and back and forth
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  Speaker 1: on this road. When you're driving, you just drive one way.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you turn around and come home the second way,
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  Speaker 1: but back and forth, back and forth. They knew that
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  Speaker 1: this was the car and this had something to do
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  Speaker 1: with Molly. So they had identified this car. They knew
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  Speaker 1: that this man was the one that they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk to about Molly, and they had realized that with
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  Speaker 1: the ray they had said they were five points of
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  Speaker 1: interest that his car had been tracking around this area.
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  Speaker 1: So there. There were multiple instances of places where they
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  Speaker 1: had seen him and they wanted to They wanted people
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  Speaker 1: to know that this is the man that they were
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  Speaker 1: looking for. Well, here's the thing, Lee Egan with me,
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Crime online dot Com with everything you
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  Speaker 1: need to know about this story and all breaking crime news. Lee, this,
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  Speaker 1: this is what what did it okay? Which really broke
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  Speaker 1: our hearts and it's nobody's fault but our own. See.
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  Speaker 1: For weeks now, we've been led to believe she could
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  Speaker 1: still be alive from sources inside the investigation saying that
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  Speaker 1: they think her captor may have her, and that she's alive,
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  Speaker 1: that it's somebody she knew, and we all all of
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  Speaker 1: us guys with me, Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Torres, Chuck Radar Online dot Com, Karen start renown
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  Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining me from Manhattan. Ashley Wilcot, judge lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot Com, Vincent Hill, cop
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  Speaker 1: turned p I, and Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor
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  Speaker 1: of forensics Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath
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  Speaker 1: My Feet. Well that's a mouthful. I want to get
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  Speaker 1: back to this lee. They told us that they thought
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  Speaker 1: she was still alive, and they quote, they air quotes
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  Speaker 1: said that she had been back at her home working
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  Speaker 1: on her homework on her computer. And that was the
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  Speaker 1: point that I kept saying, over and over, that's the
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  Speaker 1: fly in the ointment. It doesn't fit. The dogs are
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  Speaker 1: still in the basement where she would put them locked
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  Speaker 1: up when she ran. Everything is at her ideas at
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  Speaker 1: the house, her fitbit on her cell phone or with her,
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  Speaker 1: which is what I would take to go jogging. But
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  Speaker 1: then the computer, the computer that she came back and
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  Speaker 1: worked on homework that night and sent a snapchat photo
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  Speaker 1: from inside that messed up the theory of her being
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  Speaker 1: grabbed when she was jogging. Where did that even come from? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the I Nancy never once said what time she was
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  Speaker 1: on that computer. Local reports said that she at some
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  Speaker 1: point in the evening was on her eater before she disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: We were never given the exact time or even if
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  Speaker 1: she was on the computer directly from the FBI, So
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  Speaker 1: as far as we know, she may have never went
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  Speaker 1: back to the house at all. Well, it was from
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  Speaker 1: sources close to the investigation, which makes me think that
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  Speaker 1: she had been on her computer at some point and
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  Speaker 1: maybe that came from the family, but at the time
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  Speaker 1: the time and as just got Morgen told us a
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  Speaker 1: while back, he's a professor of forensics at Jacksonville State.
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  Speaker 1: Just got you were telling us about how students would
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  Speaker 1: do assignments together on a in a group. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it could have been something like that. But before she
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  Speaker 1: went running. Yeah, yeah, and that's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that you know, kind of echoed with me. I was thinking, well,
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  Speaker 1: she's probably taking summer classes. Uh, she's online on you know,
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  Speaker 1: doing an online course. There's people that you have a
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  Speaker 1: time stamp and an awareness, so you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: it's up the door for a larger group of people
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  Speaker 1: to be aware of her surroundings and comings and goings. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are taking your call and getting a Facebook question.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see this says did the owner of the video
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  Speaker 1: come forward? Had they seen the video and recognized Molly?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Okay, what do we know Alexis
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  Speaker 1: to rush Chuck, How are police led to this home
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  Speaker 1: surveillance video or do we know? Well, the police have
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  Speaker 1: said that they went they knew Molly went jogging, and
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  Speaker 1: that they went out in Campas the neighborhood, which means
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  Speaker 1: they knocked on doors of every single person, every single
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  Speaker 1: business along the route where they thought she was going
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  Speaker 1: to be. And one person had a security at home
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  Speaker 1: security system and they gave them the footage because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that they would have had it. So they
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  Speaker 1: the police requested, they said, we need the footage from
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  Speaker 1: July eight team from probably about you know, five pm
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  Speaker 1: on and this one person, this one neighbor along the
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  Speaker 1: route where Molly was running, gave them the footage of
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  Speaker 1: the security and they looked at it. And it took
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  Speaker 1: a while to figure out because you just look and
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  Speaker 1: you think, oh, well there first of all, find there's
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  Speaker 1: a car, and but the police are taking How that works.
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  Speaker 1: You can see your home security video and then you
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  Speaker 1: can play it back and you can look at it hours, days,
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  Speaker 1: weeks in the past, and I guess that's what homeowners did.
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  Speaker 1: We are taking your calls. I'm going to go to
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  Speaker 1: max in just one moment, but I want you to
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  Speaker 1: hear what the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation Special Agent
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  Speaker 1: Rick Ron says. We've conducted a link the interview with
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  Speaker 1: Mr Rivera, and during that interview, he tells us that
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  Speaker 1: he sees Molly running and was able to come upon
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  Speaker 1: her approach her, and while he was interfacing with her,
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  Speaker 1: he actually tells us that he ran alongside of her
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  Speaker 1: or behind her, and then at one point he tells
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  Speaker 1: us that Molly grabbed a hold of her phone and said,
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  Speaker 1: you need to leave me alone. I'm going to call
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  Speaker 1: the police, and then she took off running. He in
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  Speaker 1: turn chased her down, and then he tells us that
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  Speaker 1: at some point in time he blacks out, and then
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  Speaker 1: he comes to near an intersection which we believe he
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  Speaker 1: then placed Molly blacked out. He blacked out, guys. I
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  Speaker 1: am just sick. I am sick over what has happened
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  Speaker 1: to Molly. And yes, I know what happens all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel that I got to know Molly, and
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  Speaker 1: I had hopes that this would be the one that
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  Speaker 1: could be saved. This morning with me Lee Egan, Alexis Tourez,
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Karen Start, Ashley Wilcott, Vincent Hill, and Joe Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: we're taking your calls this morning. On the way to
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  Speaker 1: taking the children to school, Ashley, I broke down and
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  Speaker 1: started crying about Molly tibbits. We always say a prayer
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  Speaker 1: on the way to school, uh, you know, thanking God
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  Speaker 1: for the day and are what we hope happens that
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  Speaker 1: and to be good to other people and to help
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  Speaker 1: us be strong. And I was prayed for Molly Tippett's
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  Speaker 1: family and I just couldn't stand it. But I managed
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  Speaker 1: to pull myself together Ashley to tell Lucy that this
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  Speaker 1: lovely girl was jogging, some bad guys snatched her. And
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  Speaker 1: it made me think, ash all the time, the many
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  Speaker 1: many times I have gone running in areas I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know anything about them when I would be traveling, you
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  Speaker 1: name it it. And but this wasn't true with Molly Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: She knew this area, she was familiar with it, She
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  Speaker 1: ran it every night. And to have this guy jump
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  Speaker 1: up and say he blacked out and doesn't remember, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: did you hear what the the special agent said he
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  Speaker 1: was interfacing with her? What the h G? Double L
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  Speaker 1: is that interfacing? I eat? Chasing after her and grabbing her,
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  Speaker 1: that's inter are facing. Don't put perfume on the pig. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, And so here's the You know, this case
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  Speaker 1: is harder for me than most, and I deal with
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  Speaker 1: these cases day in and day out. And that's because
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  Speaker 1: I too believe that she would be okay and that
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  Speaker 1: she would be found alive. So um, First of all, yes,
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  Speaker 1: clearly this man was stalking her, chasing her, chased her down.
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  Speaker 1: Second of all, blacked out. I don't buy it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't buy it. I don't buy it, that's what he's saying.
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  Speaker 1: But I think he purposely killed her, murdered her, and
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  Speaker 1: he didn't black out at all. And I guess that
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  Speaker 1: all this time they have managed to as they canvassed neighborhoods,
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  Speaker 1: call some home security video and on that video, that
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  Speaker 1: must be what they see his car, uh following right
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  Speaker 1: after her as she ran. They probably slowed it down,
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  Speaker 1: slowed it down, got the making model. Long story short,
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  Speaker 1: home surveillance video can cover your front yard, your front gate,
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  Speaker 1: your mailbox. It could be one of those no ring
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  Speaker 1: went work because that rings right at your front door.
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  Speaker 1: But long story short, is home security surveillance video put
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  Speaker 1: to use for those of you just joining us, Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. The missing Iowa student Molly
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  Speaker 1: Tibbitts has been found, not the way we wanted. I
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  Speaker 1: can only imagine what her family and longtime sweetheart are
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  Speaker 1: going through right now as we are broadcasting the search,
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  Speaker 1: the hopes, the raising, the money, the sending out flyers
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  Speaker 1: going to the state farm of State Fair to to
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  Speaker 1: send to pass out flyers, help us find or help
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  Speaker 1: us find r the T shirts, the blah, the blah,
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  Speaker 1: the blah, and now this this, I know that in
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  Speaker 1: their heads they knew it was the possibility. But now
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  Speaker 1: it's happened. Molly's remains were found and a rural property
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  Speaker 1: close to the town of Guernsey, about ten miles in
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  Speaker 1: Brooklyn where Molly vanished. Right now, there's a no fly
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  Speaker 1: zone in the area which will last a few more
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  Speaker 1: hours to stop choppers news choppers from flying overhead, possibly
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  Speaker 1: saying Molly's remains are the crime scene itself. We learned
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  Speaker 1: all this in the last hours when a press conference
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  Speaker 1: goes down. Oh gosh, the way it all played out.
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  Speaker 1: We're taking your calls. Let's go straight out to the lines. Max, Hi, Max,
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  Speaker 1: what's your question. The moment I heard about the charitable
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  Speaker 1: sad ending of finding Molly to it's murdered, I thought
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  Speaker 1: of something years ago that corresponds. Kate Steinley was murdered
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  Speaker 1: also by an illegal immigrant. How much of this do
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  Speaker 1: we need to keep going with? Why can't the white
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  Speaker 1: can't Americans value the possibility of new immigration UH laws
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  Speaker 1: that will get through with illegal immigrants who are in
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  Speaker 1: this country who have committed murders and and other crimes
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  Speaker 1: and yet continue to live here. Now, um, Max, I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate what you're saying. Okay, he has brought up a
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco case, and it was the case that garnered
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  Speaker 1: a lot of attention where an illegal immigrant stabbed a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful young girl dad assault with a deadly weapon. They're
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  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Waite, w wait, no, no, correct me
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  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, and I think I was. He shot Steinley.
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  Speaker 1: It's all coming back to me because it was a
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  Speaker 1: Sig Sour and I was always thinking how could an
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  Speaker 1: illegal immigrant get his ment on a forty caliber Sig
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  Speaker 1: Sour And she was walking along with her father on
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco Pure fourteen. That's how I recall it. And
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  Speaker 1: as true as what you're saying is, I'm not. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to politicize Molly's horrific death. Uh, I cover
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  Speaker 1: horrible crimes commended by illegal immigrants. I don't know why illegals,
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  Speaker 1: especially with criminal histories, are here. Why are they our problem? However,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the solution is. I can only
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  Speaker 1: tackle Max one thing at a time, and right now
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  Speaker 1: I want justice for Molly. I want this guy to
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  Speaker 1: have life without parole. I'm telling you, if they deport them,
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  Speaker 1: I'll probably get back in uh. I feel like there's
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  Speaker 1: no answer, and that's not the right attitude to Karen Stark,
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  Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us. Sometimes it just feels like
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  Speaker 1: there's no right answer, and that's the feeling I would
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  Speaker 1: have in court. I would finish one jury, I'll get
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  Speaker 1: a guilty verdict, send that jury out, strike another. The
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  Speaker 1: next Monday morning, they'll be a hundred fifty brand new felonies.
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  Speaker 1: It was like putting your finger in the hole in
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  Speaker 1: the damn and if you moved it, it would all
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  Speaker 1: come rushing, rushing. I would get back to my office
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  Speaker 1: from a jury trial. I hadn't been in my office
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  Speaker 1: for you know, to three weeks. There would be files
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  Speaker 1: so tall, new ones they had fallen over on my desk,
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  Speaker 1: took new crimes. I don't know what the answer is
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  Speaker 1: in the big picture that Max is talking about with
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  Speaker 1: illegal immigrants committing crimes crime period. There's no stopping at Karen,
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  Speaker 1: There's no stopping it. And if you look at the
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  Speaker 1: percentages nancy of the crime committed by illegal immigrants, which
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  Speaker 1: I've been following, it's not nearly the same as people
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  Speaker 1: that are actually legal. So well, I mean, that makes sense, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: But now hold on, wait a minute. Of course it's
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  Speaker 1: not because there's more legal immigrants, and there's more citizens
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  Speaker 1: and naturalized citizens by the millions compared to illegal immigrants,
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  Speaker 1: So of course they're the bulk of come. But I
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  Speaker 1: agree with Max, and I agree with Max and the
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  Speaker 1: sense that why are they here committing murders? That's a
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  Speaker 1: whole another can of worms. I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts. What happened to Molly, Why it happened? And
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you how this guy was caught. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to this. Well, we got the video of a week
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  Speaker 1: or two ago, and we spent hours going through the
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  Speaker 1: video trying to first of all, locate Molly on it. Secondly,
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  Speaker 1: see if there's anything suspicious following Molly, which is what
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  Speaker 1: we did, and so we we again spent hours going
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  Speaker 1: through that. Officers did a great job coming up with
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  Speaker 1: the timeline. I mentioned to you last week that we
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  Speaker 1: felt very good about our timeline. That just confirmed our
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  Speaker 1: timeline that we had and then again we were able
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  Speaker 1: to determine what vehicle was following Molly. We identified that
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  Speaker 1: vehicle belonging to Mr Rivera, and then we located him
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  Speaker 1: and interviewed him and subsequently he led us to her location.
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  Speaker 1: Got wrenching. Our innocence has been taken away, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I you you hope for the very very best that
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  Speaker 1: she could come back, but we were always scared to
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  Speaker 1: death what might happen. It will be forever in her
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  Speaker 1: hearts and minds. She was a beautiful soul. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: that's a beautiful person. Um very kind and generous. She
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  Speaker 1: was very kind and very just very sweet for a
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  Speaker 1: small community and everybody's family, whether you know her or not.
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  Speaker 1: I think her boyfriend said it best when he says,
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  Speaker 1: everybody has a Molly and man that hits home. It
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  Speaker 1: is closure, but it is we hope for the best,
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  Speaker 1: and that's unfortunately. I think a situation like this definitely
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  Speaker 1: m brings us off closer and we do find out
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  Speaker 1: who are friends in our neighbors are and what we
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  Speaker 1: can do for each other and support and understanding and caring,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what our small communities do. The things change,
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  Speaker 1: just the sense of you know, safe being in a
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  Speaker 1: little community. Um, I guess that has gone aside. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it touches everybody, and we just hope for the
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  Speaker 1: best and prayed and freed and prayed that from the
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  Speaker 1: Des Moines registered residents of Brooklyn, Iowa. Just two thousand
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  Speaker 1: people at the announcement of Molly Tibbitts found dead. Joining
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  Speaker 1: me from Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee Egan, Lee,
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  Speaker 1: we have managed to obtain You have managed to obtain
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  Speaker 1: the police affidavits. What have you learned? The police affidavit
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  Speaker 1: gets a little bit more into detail that was told
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  Speaker 1: at the press conference, and what we're learning is Rovera
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  Speaker 1: said that once people it out and came to he
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  Speaker 1: noticed like an earbud on his lap, and from that
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  Speaker 1: ear but he determined that he must have put Molly
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  Speaker 1: in his trunk. He went around to the trunk and
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  Speaker 1: opened the trunk, noticed that one side of her head
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  Speaker 1: was bloodied. At that point, he lifted her from the trunk,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: threw her over his shoulders and walked by foot into
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the woods into a corn field, and that's where he
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: just dumped her there, threw some corn leaves over her
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and left. He left her face up late the way
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you describe that when you said that I'm watching Jackie
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Howard with me here in the studio, she just put
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: her hand up over her mouth and eyes. When you
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: sat he through the corn leaves over her face. It's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: just almost too much to take in. I mean, I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I know this is wrong, but I project Molla, Lucy.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: She's about to turn eleven, and she loves to go
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: when I go jogging or walking, she loves to go
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: with me. And one day she's gonna go by herself.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And I just can hardly stand even think about it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And putting those corn leaves over her face. You know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it goes back Alexis Terrestra to the very beginning. Remember
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: when Molly first went missing and people were walking through cornfields.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: They weren't they really weren't wrong, were they. Alexis No
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: this This whole town knew somehow that this unfortunately, that
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: this is where they were going to find Molly. Because
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: there's these are desolate areas, but they're accessible from the road.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Because this guy says that he walked back there. He
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: drove to He told them, he said, I drove to
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: an intersection and then I walked. He knew to hide her.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And so that that's what everyone in this town was
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: walking and walking and walking looking for Molly because they
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they just couldn't imagine that someone would have taken her
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: so far, even though they were looking for her to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: be alive. What they, I guess, subconscious, just like we're doing,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: was looking for her body. And they were looking in
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: this town. But that's all that there is in this town,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: these huge corn fields. In the fact that he covered
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: her up, you know he was. He was hiding this
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: in any hid in clean sight for six weeks. You know.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Another issue that's being uncovered in Lee. I'm going to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: circle back to you on just He says he finds
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: an earbud in his in his lap, and then he
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: figures out, Wow, I must have put her in the trunk.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Right now, they have not really released too much information
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: about cause of death. But if there is blood, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that tells me either a gunshot wound or a knife wound,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: if that's even true, And what does that tell me?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: That tells me he came with a weapon. Also, he
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: said something about he had seen her before. What can
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you tell me Lee about his girlfriend being Facebook friends
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: with Molly? Didn't his girlfriend have a little child? And
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't Molly a day day can't counselor for little children?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Molly was a day can't counselor? And this was It
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't his girlfriend, it was his baby's mother. Apparently they
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: never really had a relationship, or at least a relationship
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that lasted too long. And not only was this lady
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: on Molly's Facebook, but she was also on Molly's brother's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Facebook pages, so somehow she knew all of the siblings.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And according to police, yes, the suspect had watched or
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: he said he had seen Molly jogging in the past.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill cop turned pa, I I now, right now,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I'm literally feeling sick, literally sick to my stomach thinking
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of this guy and all of his bs claiming he
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: saw her jogging. Then he quote interface with her. What
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the h E double L is that interfacing? Uh? Then
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: suddenly he finds her earbud in his lap, And what
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I'm understanding is he actually led them to her body.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I just the death penalty is not good enough. It
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: is not bad enough. It's not enough punishment for him.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's too good for him, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: What we can say, Nancy for sure, is this guy
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: didn't black out. I mean, listen, he was cyberstalking her.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: He was stalking her. He saw her running before he
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: knew exactly where the body was. That's not something you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: do if you blacked out all of a sudden. This
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: guy planned this for quite some time, and it's unfortunate
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that no one picked upon it before he actually got
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Molly to you, Lee Egan, tell me again in the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: affidavit that you have obtained, he says he sees her
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: earbud in his lap, and that jogs his manor. He realizes, Oh,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: she must be in the trunk. Tell me that again.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: That's that's absolutely correct. He comes to it an intersection,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a roal intersection, looks down his lap and sees an
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: earbud in his lap, and from that he determines, oh,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I must have put her in the trunk. So then
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: he gets out and walks through the trunk and there
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: she is. Then he goes on to lead investigators to
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: her body. What thousands of volunteers, police canines couldn't do.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: He did. Don't tell me he's not guilty. Ash. What
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: do you make of him leading police to her body? Well,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: here's what bothers me. He says that she was in
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the trunk with blood on her head. Who knows if
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: there was blood or not, But we have no way
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of knowing at this moment whether or not she was
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: actually dead when he hit her in the cornfield. And
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: so what really bothers me even more is maybe she
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: was unconscious. She could have been a lot, Maybe she
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: could have been safe, but he chose to dump her
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and cover her with corn weaves. We just don't know.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: He definitely led police to his body. And just so
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you know, Iowa doesn't have the death penalty, so we
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: will have the privilege of taking care of him for
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the rest of his life. Three hots and a cot
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the rest of his life, education, Internet visits, probably getting
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: married behind bars. Books aren't class macromy basket weaving. Yeah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: listen to this. After we got done interviewing Mr Rivera,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: he led us to her location and that what location
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was near four Street or Avenue in rural she County.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've driven around the area, and it's it's
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: a rural county and there are a lot of fields,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of woods, a lot of ditches. We have
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: certainly had extensive searches throughout the county. We just didn't
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: have success locating her. In this particular case, she was
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: found in a cornfield and there were cornstocks placed over
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the top of her. You're hearing from the Iowa Division
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: of Criminal Investigation Special Agent Rick Ron, who has worked
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the case from the beginning, not the ending we all
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: had prayed for, not the ending we had hoped for.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: The only thing left to do now is to plan
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Molly's funeral, console her family, and get ready for a trial.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: And what a trial this is going to be. Already,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: we know that public defenders have been alerted and are
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: working the case. We know that this guy Rivera had
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: worked for four years on a local farm. According to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the Des Moines Register. The company said he had been
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: vetted before he had been hired one how they didn't
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: know as an illegal immigrant. No motive announced, but there
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a motive. Motive is not required
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: under the law. The law does not expect a prosecutor
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to crawl into the mind of a freak like this
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: guy and figure it all out and like set the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: table like a tea party for a jury. It doesn't.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Crime doesn't happen that way, does it to Joe Scott Morgan? No,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it doesn't, Nancy, it doesn't occur in a vacuum. Let's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: let's you know. This is such a horrific crime. I'm
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: still absolutely dumbfounded by the fact that this young lady
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: was snatched off of the street and pulled into this car.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: She wasn't taken and thrown into the trunk immediately. That's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: why this car is going to be central, central in
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the course in the court proceedings. This is a rolling
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: crime scene. My thought is she was initially put in
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: there and either she was subdued physically, that is, beaten
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: down on or harmed in some way to get control
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: over her. Or she may have actually been killed and furthermore,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: she may have been sexually assaulted in this vehicle. So
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: this vehicle is key to harvesting as much information as
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: we can, not only the cabin of the car, but
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: also the trunk because as he stated, she had blood
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: on her. I'm gonna want to know if there's blood
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: on that in that trunk and if that blood is
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Molly's blood, I'm looking at the affidavit right now. It
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: talks about Molly report being reported missing. It goes on
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: to talk in depth about the video, and this is
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: on crime online dot com if you want to look
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: at it. The video from the evening of July eighteen.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: That's how they know the exact time and date she
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was taken. They determined Molly was out running near Boundary
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and Middle streets. A dark colored Chevy Malibu was spotted
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: numerous times driving back and forth and back and forth.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And that's what I us tell the twins when you
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: see a car come back and forth even once go home,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: go back to somewhere safe. Uh. It was determined that
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the dark colored Chevy Malibu was connected to this guy,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Christian Rivera. He was questioned by law enforcement on eight
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: twenty August twenty. He admitted he made contact with a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: female running, that he pursued her in his vehicle. That
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I'm reading directly from the affidavit, that he part in
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the vehicle, got out and was running behind her and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: along beside her. Can you imagine how scared she was?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: She quote grabbed her phone and said I'm gonna call
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the police. And then he says he panic, why not
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: just go back to your car? And got mad and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: then he quote blocked his quote memory, which is what
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: he does when he quote gets upset and he doesn't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: remember anything. I wonder if you remembers if he raped her.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: He says, he doesn't remember anything until he came to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: an intersection. Maybe you turn, drove back to a corn field,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: drove into a driveway to a cornfield. Noticed there was
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: an earpiece from headphones in his lap, and that is
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: how he realized she was in the car trunk. He
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: went to get her out. He noticed blood on the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: side of her head. He described her clothing, including an
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: earphone or headset. He put her over his shoulder, took
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: her about twenty meters into the corn field, and left
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: her covered in corn leaves, and left her there face up.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: He used his phone to determine the route he traveled
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. He later guided police to her location from memory.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: He located the remains. Law enforcement located Molly's remains in
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the eggs that area. The surrounding of her location and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the scene matched his description of what he said. Also,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: based on that interview, clothing found at the scene where
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the body was located, and certain articles of her clothing cops, No,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it's Molly. Does that mean Joe Scott Morgan that she
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: was unclothed or do you believe the clothing was with
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: her remains? I don't know. They're throwing around terms, Nancy, like, uh,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you know clothing that was found that implies that she
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: was in a state of undressed. I don't know that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But what I do know is that the autopsy will
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: be performed today and they are going to go over
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: her remains with a fun to calm and they're gonna
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: have to, Nancy. They're gonna absolutely have to because we're
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: talking a month out and uh, she her body will
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: be in such a state that they will really have
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to take their time and focus on what they need
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to do. I'm very interested. You had mentioned modalities a
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: few moments ago relative to how she may have been killed. Uh,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: if this was some kind of impassioned rage, I don't
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: know that it would require a knife for a gun.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: He may have beaten this poor poor girl to death.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: He may have just subdued her and strangled her. I'm
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: assuming that he's larger than she Yeah, I was just
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: gonna bring that up Vincent Hill. This guy is just
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: five six and he weighs a hundred and thirty pounds.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: How how could he get Yeah, he's he's not that big.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But I mean, if she was feel fearful for her life,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: there's no telling. Maybe he had a weapon to you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: get some type of control over and maybe he caught
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: her off guard, hit or over the head. You know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: we don't know, but you know, Joseph can tell you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it doesn't take a lot to strangle someone if you
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: get the jump on them. So we just stn't know.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: There's a lot that we have to get from the autopsy,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: But I'd be, as an investigator curious to see what's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: actually inside that car, because as much as they're going
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to examine Molly's body, you better believe those investigators are
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: looking every inch of that car. Nancy. Something else that's
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: just absolutely striking to me about this whole thing is
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that how bold does this guy have to be in
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: order to do this in this tiny little town on
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a city street where this young lady is jogging and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: is known to jog in this particular area. And not
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: only does he just kind of cat call her from
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the car. He unmounts his car, leaves it in the street,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and then follows, by his own admission, follows her down
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the street. And I'm just wondering, what kind of area
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: is this where no one was paying attention to it,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: that this this actually occurred. Did she did she not
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: put up a struggle? Did she not yell out? You know?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: And this goes to this idea of was he uh,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you know, introducing some kind of method of terror in
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: here where he's got her at nine point, gunpoint, whatever
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the case might be, because if he's just wrapping his
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: hand around her neck, you know, you would think that
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: she would be screaming out. So it it boggles in mind.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Does an investigator for me, right now? What about other cars?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: That there are no other cars, no one said this happening,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: or she didn't step towards another car? Really very strange,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I doubt pretty much in a town of and she's
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: out in the hinterlands jogging amongst the cornfields. I don't
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: know that. I mean, clearly a car was not around
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: when he actually attacked her. This is what I know.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: The family left to try and put the pieces back together.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Now face the ordeal of planning a funeral, which I
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: can tell you is pure hell, and then the trial.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Listen to Molly's mother. Every day, I feel Molly's presence
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: with me, you know, sometimes I just feel her sitting
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: on my shoulder. And Molly was an incredibly strong young woman.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that I have the strengthen me,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: but Molly's lending me her strength every day, every night,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: God please me. With Molly's family, you will listen to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: crime Stores with Nancy Grace, Good Night,