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DEATH ON WATER: 1 DEAD, 1 IN COMA AFTER SPEED-BOAT DOES "DONUTS," NO ARREST · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Tonight, death on the water, one dead, one in a
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Speaker 1: coma after a speed boat does donuts, and yet no arrests.
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Speaker 1: One dead one in a coma and no arrest. Good evening,
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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is crime stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Twenty five year old Nazar Spineleski heads to Harrington Lake
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Speaker 2: with his family to celebrate the fourth of July. As
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Speaker 2: their pond tumb sits motionless on the water, awake boat
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Speaker 2: suddenly slams into it, throwing bazaar into the lake and
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Speaker 2: triggering a desperate search and rescue operation.
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Speaker 3: I remember one time he opened up to us and
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Speaker 3: we started talking about prayer. We gave him a suggestion
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Speaker 3: to be specific in his prayers and even to write
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Speaker 3: them down in his notebook to be his reminder. I
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Speaker 3: didn't think much of it until a few days ago.
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Speaker 3: When I first walked into his bedroom, I saw a
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Speaker 3: little notebook next to his bile at his desk. When
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Speaker 3: I opened it up, he had a list of all
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Speaker 3: his prayers for that date, For that specific date, his
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Speaker 3: good fight was truly sincere and not just empty words.
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Speaker 3: There was so much to learn from his last few
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Speaker 3: months on earth. The biggest comfort is knowing that he
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Speaker 3: is with our Lord and Savior.
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Speaker 4: It was America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. You know,
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Speaker 4: people were out celebrating, and there was great cause to celebrate.
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Speaker 4: But when people do so recklessly, this is exactly what happened.
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Speaker 4: The eyewitnesses will say that the boat was opened up
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Speaker 4: going at full speed when it hit an idle pontoon boat.
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Speaker 4: That pontoon boat was not moving. There were children that
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Speaker 4: were still in the tube on the lake that were
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Speaker 4: not impacted because they were not on the boat.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing the victim's sister Yana speaking, and that's
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Speaker 1: from our friends at Ukrainian Pentecostal Church. You also heard
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Speaker 1: sound from WKYT and Fox fifty six and the speaker
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Speaker 1: is joining us tonight. Straight out to Justin Peterson, now
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Speaker 1: working with the victim's family, founding partner Peterson Law Firm
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Speaker 1: and STARV. It's not fair podcast. Well, truer words were
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Speaker 1: never spoken, but maybe we can do something about that tonight.
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Speaker 1: Justin Peterson, thank you for being with us. What in
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Speaker 1: the hay happened?
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Speaker 4: Nancy? This is truly a tragedy. As as you heard earlier,
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Speaker 4: we have two hundred and fifty years of celebrating America.
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Speaker 4: This beautiful family was on a boat, and to give
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Speaker 4: your viewer some perspective, we have Alex Antoyna, Nazaar and Nessa, Lena,
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Speaker 4: Andrew and four four children were on this idle pontoon boat.
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Speaker 4: Two of the children were on a tube, as you know,
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Speaker 4: and the boat never stopped. It came at them from
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Speaker 4: a long distance after driving recklessly throughout the day. What
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Speaker 4: witnesses will say, but certainly in the moments leading up
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Speaker 4: to the collision, we have eyewitnesses who will testify that
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Speaker 4: that boat was doing multiple donuts and then opened it up,
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Speaker 4: going full speed into the pontomboat.
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Speaker 5: Truly a tragedy.
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Speaker 1: You're seeing from our friends at WKYT the search, the
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Speaker 1: search for the body of this beloved young family member
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Speaker 1: now dead. Did I just hear you say, justin Peterson,
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Speaker 1: let me see him as somebody was doing high speed
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Speaker 1: donuts and the water and slammed into an idol sitting
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Speaker 1: there motionless pontoon. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: In addition to that, the family saw them coming and
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Speaker 4: was yelling and screaming for them to stop. The distance
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Speaker 4: between the reckless doughnuts and the act and the incident
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Speaker 4: location is a long distance, which means there was more
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Speaker 4: than enough time to avoid this horrific incident.
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Speaker 1: Because I noticed you said at the beginning, justin Peterson,
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Speaker 1: that the speedboat was coming at them for some distance.
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Speaker 6: Is that correct?
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Speaker 4: That is correct?
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Tyler Bashane joining us a witness who happened
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Speaker 1: to record the mail driving the speed boat.
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Speaker 6: What did you observe, Tyler, Nancy?
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Speaker 7: I actually observed them removing the boat from the water
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Speaker 7: after the accident and with no supervision from law enforcement,
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Speaker 7: taking the boat and leaving while Ali was Nazar's father
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Speaker 7: was being worked on in the ambulance, and right next
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Speaker 7: to them.
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Speaker 1: We're showing Tyler's video. Now I've got a point for this.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand, Tyler Bashane witness thought, thank Heaven to
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Speaker 1: record what.
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Speaker 6: She was observing.
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Speaker 1: And there goes the speedboat we're talking about, after crashing
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Speaker 1: into the pontoon, leaving one dead, one beloved son dead,
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Speaker 1: Dad in a coma.
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Speaker 6: For Pete's sake, what do they do? There's Dad.
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Speaker 1: All I can think about is my father when he
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Speaker 1: was in the hospital so many times, hooked up to
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Speaker 1: every tube you can imagine. I want to see them.
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Speaker 1: I want to see the father. What does a speedboat
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Speaker 1: do after they leave dad like this?
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Speaker 6: What did they do? Tyler Bashane, what did you observe?
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Speaker 7: They took their boat out of the water, same driver
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Speaker 7: behind the wheel, still operating the boat, and left the
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Speaker 7: entire marina. They didn't take the time to strap down
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Speaker 7: their boat. They didn't get out of the boat of
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Speaker 7: the passengers, didn't unload. They just went up the hill
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Speaker 7: through a different exit than the one that was blocked
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Speaker 7: off and left the scene later which they stopped on
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Speaker 7: the road and unloaded out of sight of law enforcement.
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Speaker 8: The optimistic side of me wants to say, yes, it's
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Speaker 8: a rescue mission, but knowing the time frame, we're looking
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Speaker 8: more deep water, so it's going towards a recovery.
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Speaker 1: That was brad Cox, Mercer County e MS Directory Emergency
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Speaker 1: Medical Services from our friends at wkyt Let me hear
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Speaker 1: that one more time please.
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Speaker 8: The optimistic side of me wants to say, yes, it's
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Speaker 8: a rescue mission, but knowing the time for we're looking
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Speaker 8: more deep water, so it's going towards a recovery.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right there, imagine your son. I've got a son
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Speaker 1: and a daughter they're twins. Imagine your child out there
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Speaker 1: in the water and you hear ms state and he's true.
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Speaker 1: What he says is true. I wanted to believe it
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Speaker 1: was a rescue mission, but we're looking.
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Speaker 6: Now in deep water. It's going to be a recovery.
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Speaker 1: Just to think about knowing your child is floating out
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Speaker 1: in that dark water and why straight out to Ben
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Speaker 1: Durbin joining me out of Virginia Beach, Virginia Emergency Response,
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Speaker 1: Diving instructor trainer, Police diver, Emergency Services, Diver Search and Rescue.
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Speaker 6: Ben.
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Speaker 1: I don't care how much they tried. I don't believe
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Speaker 1: they could have rescued him.
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Speaker 9: No, the impact that was pretty awful, and it was
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Speaker 9: very deep water. I mean, the reports are it was
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Speaker 9: one hundred and fifty to one hundred and eighty feet deep.
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Speaker 9: But the impact itself was devastating. It looks amazing that
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Speaker 9: father is still alive, but seeing pictures of him in
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Speaker 9: the hospital, you know, that was absolutely a devastating impact.
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Speaker 9: One of the things that I'm curious about is, you know,
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Speaker 9: the boats collided and it's kind of hard in a
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Speaker 9: straight line to not see another boat. And there's some
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Speaker 9: pretty clear rules of the road when you're operating a vote.
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Speaker 9: But one of the things I looked up is Kentucky
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Speaker 9: doesn't have a required voter safety course, because most states
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Speaker 9: have a required voter safety course that go over the
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Speaker 9: very basic rules of boat operation.
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Speaker 6: Ben Dobrin, Sorry, but a boat safety course.
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Speaker 1: This guy obviously does not know his ass from a
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Speaker 1: hole in the ground.
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Speaker 6: Any idiot would know.
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Speaker 1: When you're surrounded by other boaters, swimmers, skiers that you
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Speaker 1: don't go full throttle and start doing donuts.
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Speaker 6: You do know, being Dobra, what a donut is? Do
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Speaker 6: you know? For the start right there? Do you know
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Speaker 6: what a donut is?
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Speaker 3: I do?
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Speaker 9: I absolutely do.
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Speaker 4: The wakeboat comes this way, and the ex is where
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Speaker 4: he starts doing donuts at a very high rate of speed.
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Speaker 4: He comes out of that donut, has it completely open,
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Speaker 4: and does not hit them until here and then runs completely.
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Speaker 6: Over them Lex eighteen. Okay, being Dobrin donuts at a
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Speaker 6: high speed. Do you want to explain what that means?
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Speaker 9: Dobrin, A donut is basically a three hundred and sixty
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Speaker 9: or more degrees you're circling the boat he's driving. A wakeboat.
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Speaker 9: A wakeboats is an interesting type of boat in that
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Speaker 9: it is designed to make waves behind it, to make
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Speaker 9: a weight. When he's doing these donuts, when he's spending
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Speaker 9: the boat in these three sixties or seven twenties or
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Speaker 9: how many revolutions he's doing, he's throwing a really big weight.
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Speaker 9: So when he has to exit it, and it sounds
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Speaker 9: like he exited the donuts and then went straight and
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Speaker 9: then hit the pon zombboat, he's going over waves. A
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Speaker 9: wake boat is very low to the water. It is
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Speaker 9: not designed to go over waves. And so, you know,
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Speaker 9: I don't know what happened to him, if he lost control,
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Speaker 9: if you got you know, but whatever, that boat is
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Speaker 9: not designed to go over waves. He purposely created waves
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Speaker 9: by doing donuts and then went in a straight line.
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Speaker 9: It's not designed to go over waves. It is obviously
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Speaker 9: spearable because it was doing donuts and they went to
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Speaker 9: a straight line. So I have no idea anybody with
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Speaker 9: two eyes or even one eye would be able to
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Speaker 9: see a boat in front of them and turn the boat.
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Speaker 9: If there was some sort of mechanical failure and steerage
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Speaker 9: was lost, you can still turn the boat off. You
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Speaker 9: can drop the throttle, lose power, or all boats have
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Speaker 9: a kill switch, a lanyard that you pull and it
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Speaker 9: kills forward propulsion. So there's a lot of things you
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Speaker 9: can do if for some reason there was a mechanical problem.
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Speaker 9: So I'm telling you there wasn't a mechanical problem because
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Speaker 9: he took the boat back to doc, put it on
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Speaker 9: a trailer, and drove away. We heard the other speaker
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Speaker 9: talk about how he took it back and put on trailer,
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Speaker 9: so that means you could speer it. So he did
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Speaker 9: not lose speering and there was no mechanical problem too.
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Speaker 1: Tyler Bauchane joining us a witness there that day, and
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Speaker 1: thanks to her we have the video to which being
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Speaker 1: Dobrin is referring. I saw the video, Tyler, and Dobrin
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Speaker 1: is right. He doesn't seem to have a problem steering
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Speaker 1: the boat and getting the hay out of there, does he?
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Speaker 1: All I can see him is elbows and tailhole running away.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, he was still operating in the boat, and that's
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Speaker 7: something that the community locally can't understand us how he's
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Speaker 7: still behind the wheel. You know, if the boat was
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Speaker 7: alleged thinking, then that's fine, you got to get off
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Speaker 7: the water. But White and law enforcement supervise that or
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Speaker 7: take over control of the boat to get it off
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Speaker 7: the water and instead of letting him drive away with
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Speaker 7: you know, a boat full of potential evidence and time
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Speaker 7: to potentially get a story straight with those passengers.
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Speaker 5: You also doesn't have to necessarily be intoxicated if you're
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Speaker 5: driving in a reckless manner or wanton manage manner.
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Speaker 6: Then that takes it to another level.
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Speaker 1: That was Don Evans, former Lesington PD investigator from our
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Speaker 1: friends at Fox fifty six. Why to you Dave Matt
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigator is the former Lexington PD investigator talking
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Speaker 1: about you don't have to necessarily be intoxicated if you're
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Speaker 1: driving in a reckless manner. I don't care if he
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Speaker 1: was drunk as a skunk, because voluntary use of drugs
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Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense.
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Speaker 10: But something to point out, Nancy, is that the pontoom
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Speaker 10: boat was sitting in the water anchored, not moving. The
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Speaker 10: wake boat was coming straight at him and drove right
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Speaker 10: through the pontoon boat. Now, when the wakeboat driver leaves,
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Speaker 10: as we're watching right there, he goes home. Nancy of
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Speaker 10: Kentucky Fish and Wildlife, they're in charge of this investigation
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Speaker 10: because it happened on the water, but it was the
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Speaker 10: Sheriff's department that went to the man's house and brought
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Speaker 10: him back to talk to fish and wildlife. So the deputies,
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Speaker 10: the Sheriff's department should not have even been involved in
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Speaker 10: that aspect of it. They just went and got the guy.
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Speaker 10: They knew who it was. It was never a question
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Speaker 10: of who was driving the boat or even where that
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Speaker 10: person lived. Because they went and got him and brought
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Speaker 10: him back.
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Speaker 1: That's not a good look that you have to be
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Speaker 1: tracked down by the sheriff and the Wildlife department. And
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Speaker 1: I got to give credit to wildlife. I worked with
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Speaker 1: Department Natural Resources in Georgia before I became a prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: They take this and all other similar offenses very seriously,
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Speaker 1: but tonight there's no arrest joining me right now. In
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Speaker 1: addition to being Dobrin and others is peel Otum. He
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Speaker 1: is a voting accident reconstructionist. I don't know why we
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Speaker 1: say accident because there's a big difference in an accident
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Speaker 1: and a crash. He is the owner of H two
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Speaker 1: to Investigations former law enforcement. You can find him at
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Speaker 1: H two investigations dot com. Phil how can I figure
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Speaker 1: out forensically what happened.
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Speaker 5: First, we're missing a big piece of this, which is
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Speaker 5: law enforcement's side, and we have nothing on that. Now
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Speaker 5: it's been almost two weeks, no charges, no arrests have
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Speaker 5: been made. We needed to kind of know what their
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Speaker 5: investigation is doing and where it's at. But hopefully they're
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Speaker 5: looking at a variety of different things. First off, in
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Speaker 5: today's age, cell phones are a very big evidentiary tool.
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Speaker 5: In addition to the actual phone, there's a lot of
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Speaker 5: tracking apps so you can tell the exact speed, exact route.
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Speaker 5: There's also electronics on vessels such as phish finders and
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Speaker 5: GPS on both vessels which they can get information from.
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Speaker 5: And I'm sure they're looking at all that, but it's
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Speaker 5: not as cut and dry apparently with law enforcement as
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Speaker 5: mister Peterson is portrayed about what happened or some sort
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Speaker 5: of charges I would think would be filed.
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Speaker 6: Phil Odi, I've got a question for you.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to have to have you retaill me all
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Speaker 1: that I'm a trial lawyer, I'm not a boating expert
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Speaker 1: like you and Dobrenar. What if the GPS device has
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Speaker 1: been destroyed, is that evidence in the cloud.
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Speaker 5: It depends on the type of device. If it's a
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Speaker 5: cell phone with an app like Life three sick, it's
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Speaker 5: retained by that company for thirty days after the event.
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Speaker 5: Also forensically, even if it's destroyed. Some of them have
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Speaker 5: SD cards, it doesn't necessarily go to a cloud. They're
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Speaker 5: not really sophisticated. Some of the GPS unit's on boats,
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Speaker 5: especially like a pontoon book. Most of the time you're
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Speaker 5: going to see like a GPS type fish finder on them.
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Speaker 5: But evidence can be gathered from those devices.
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Speaker 1: Trying to take in everything you're saying, phil odom joining
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Speaker 1: us from H two investigations. If I look at the
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Speaker 1: pontoon forensically and I look at the speedboat forensically, just
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Speaker 1: think of it as.
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Speaker 6: A car crash.
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Speaker 1: What am I looking for to be able to tell
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Speaker 1: what happened? Because I believe looking at the evidence will
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Speaker 1: shed light on what occurred.
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Speaker 5: I agree, and from my perspective, I have not seen
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Speaker 5: any photographs of the pontoon boat. I don't know how
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Speaker 5: the collision occurred. It seems too from the information I
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Speaker 5: have that the wightboarding boat was a striking vessel. But
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Speaker 5: there's three collision situations in voting. There's a head on situation,
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Speaker 5: there's a crossing situation, and there's an overtaking situation, and
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Speaker 5: someone had a right of way in that those situations
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Speaker 5: I can't tell because I can't look at the vessels
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Speaker 5: to see what type of situation that was and who
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Speaker 5: was the burden vessel to give way? Again, law enforcement
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Speaker 5: haven't published anything yet as far as what their investigation is.
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Speaker 1: Okay, good point, justin Peterson, what is their investigation? Did
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Speaker 1: you hear what phil Odam just said that If and
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Speaker 1: that's a big if. If this is in the cloud,
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Speaker 1: if GPS has been destroyed, it's only good. It's only
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Speaker 1: there for thirty days. It's not like cell phone data
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Speaker 1: or you put it online on digital it lives forever.
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Speaker 1: Not necessarily true with GPS data. So have you filed
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Speaker 1: discovery and had a judge issue and order not to
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Speaker 1: destroy evidence for what good it is?
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Speaker 6: And what's law enforcement doing?
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Speaker 4: So I can't comment on the law enforcement investigation right now. However,
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Speaker 4: the family has cooperated with law enforcement, and I do
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Speaker 4: know that law enforcement has talked to the eyewitnesses, the
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Speaker 4: same eyewitnesses that I have talked to.
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Speaker 6: So while we will wha wha, wha whah, whoa whoa
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Speaker 6: whoa whoa hold on Nelly.
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Speaker 1: What family is cooperating with law enforcement?
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Speaker 4: Well, our family has talked to law enforcement about what
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Speaker 4: they saw and what I reported to you with our family, Yes, absolutely,
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Speaker 4: absolutely they are.
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Speaker 6: What about that other family the one job is speed boat.
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Speaker 4: You would hope they're cooperating to but I'm not privy
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Speaker 4: to that information at this time.
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Speaker 6: Okay, So what was the investigation intail so far?
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Speaker 4: I have seen the pictures of the boats and the damage.
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Speaker 4: It is a head on collision. It's exactly how the
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Speaker 4: eyewitness is described, and hopefully there is scientific data being
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Speaker 4: gathered for the purpose of a reconstruction to ensure accountabilities
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Speaker 4: being held both criminally and civilly.
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Speaker 1: Well, Justin Peterson, now I see why you're such a
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Speaker 1: successful trial lawyer. I guess I've got to cross examine you.
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Speaker 1: You stay you don't know what's happening in the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Justin Well, has the pontoon been seized your client's pontoon? Yes?
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Speaker 4: Police do that, Yes they do. They do have possession
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Speaker 4: of the pontoon.
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Speaker 1: That would suggest to me that they are taking measurements
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Speaker 1: and photos do you agree.
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Speaker 4: I definitely agree with that.
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Speaker 1: Justin Peterson, could you describe the damage to the pontoon.
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Speaker 4: The photos They were not produced to me, but I
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Speaker 4: have been able to see those along with the family
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Speaker 4: because they did get a report about the current status
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Speaker 4: of where things stand. The pontoon is obliterated. It is disgusting,
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Speaker 4: how just it's irrepairable. And it went straight through the
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Speaker 4: entire top of that pontoon. The sides are bent. It
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Speaker 4: looks just like a wakeboat crashed into it at full speed.
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised anybody survived who was on the pontoon.
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Speaker 4: Justin So, we had ten people. Two of the children
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Speaker 4: were on a tube, which is why the boat was stopped.
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Speaker 4: They were switching out. Nazar was going to get on
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Speaker 4: the tube. Two of the children were on the tube.
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Speaker 4: There was another two children within the boat, and then
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Speaker 4: there were four adults that were in the boat as well.
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Speaker 1: Being Durbin joining us emergency response, diving instructor, and so
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Speaker 1: much more. Then I'd like to hear your analysis.
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Speaker 9: It sounds, you know, as we just heard the pictures,
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Speaker 9: it was hit in the bow, so it was a
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Speaker 9: head on collision, which is a horrible collision are rules
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Speaker 9: of the road state that everybody rule number eight, everybody
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Speaker 9: has a expectation to avoid collisions, even if you violate
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Speaker 9: all the other rules. You know, the standard is in
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Speaker 9: a head on situation, if you have two boats approaching
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Speaker 9: each other, the first thing they could try to do
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Speaker 9: is each turn to the right. But if the pontoon
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Speaker 9: boat wasn't underway, it couldn't turn, it couldn't do anything
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Speaker 9: to get out of the way. Reports are it was
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Speaker 9: kind of just dead in the water, It was just
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Speaker 9: sitting there. And then so for the other boat to
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Speaker 9: hit it dead on, it was the only one that
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Speaker 9: could move out of the way. If it was the
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Speaker 9: only one that was moving, only one of them could
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Speaker 9: get out of the way. And the standard operation is
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Speaker 9: you turn to the right, but rule number eight says
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Speaker 9: you turn any way you can, or you turn your
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Speaker 9: boat off, or whatever you can do to avoid the collision.
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Speaker 9: So obviously the wakeboat did not avoid the collision. It
22:05
Speaker 9: did not do the most basic of boater safety and
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Speaker 9: avoid a collision. And you know, I have no idea why,
22:13
Speaker 9: but for some reason he was target fixated and drove
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Speaker 9: right into the front of another boat. And by all reports.
22:21
Speaker 9: It was a very violent collision. So it doesn't sound
22:25
Speaker 9: like he even slowed down before the impact, that he
22:28
Speaker 9: was going at full throttle and made impact, that he
22:31
Speaker 9: wasn't even aware that there was a boat in front
22:34
Speaker 9: of him, Because anybody would slow down if they think
22:38
Speaker 9: they're going to hit something, whether you're driving a car
22:40
Speaker 9: and you're gonna hit another car, you're driving a boat,
22:43
Speaker 9: that's where reaction is to slow down. It does not
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Speaker 9: sound like he neither steered to the left nor the right,
22:48
Speaker 9: nor he slowed Now, boats do not have brakes. That's
22:52
Speaker 9: one thing that a lot of new boaters don't understand.
22:54
Speaker 9: Boats do not have brakes. The only way to slow
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Speaker 9: a boat down is to reduce propulse and then if
23:01
Speaker 9: you have to an emergency situation, put it in reverse.
23:04
Speaker 9: But that can damage your motor and your props and
23:06
Speaker 9: all that other stuff. But they don't have brakes, and
23:10
Speaker 9: so even if you want to slow down a boat
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Speaker 9: very quickly, you can't. And so that's just another consideration
23:17
Speaker 9: that we have to think about, is did he know
23:19
Speaker 9: but he didn't turn. There was a head on collision,
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Speaker 9: he did not turn, So it sounds like a horrible, horrible.
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Speaker 1: I typically agree with everything that you say, and you
23:31
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't know a lot more about water reconstruction
23:35
Speaker 1: and water crashes than I do. But I don't care
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Speaker 1: if it doesn't have a break. Take your foot off
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Speaker 1: the gas. That's what I would suggest in a car.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true for a boat?
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Speaker 6: I don't want to hear there's no break. You can stop.
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Speaker 6: That's b as dobrin, turn the other way, or let
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Speaker 6: up on the gas. How hard is that you do?
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Speaker 9: You let up on the gas and very similar to
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Speaker 9: a car. If you let up on the gas on
24:04
Speaker 9: a car, you will slow down, and a boat you
24:06
Speaker 9: will slow down. A car has a break that will
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Speaker 9: stop you. A boat does not have that. So yes,
24:11
Speaker 9: if you let up on the door.
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Speaker 7: What is that?
24:13
Speaker 6: A thing called that? A steering wheel?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
24:17
Speaker 6: Yes, are you telling me you can steer away? Take
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Speaker 6: a right turn.
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Speaker 9: I'm not telling you that he should have steered away.
24:24
Speaker 9: He should have done a right turn. But even if
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Speaker 9: he did a left turn, it doesn't matter. You have
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Speaker 9: to turn to avoid a collision.
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Speaker 6: He did not do that.
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Speaker 9: It does not sound like he slowed down. He didn't
24:33
Speaker 9: hit it at the drift speed. It sounded like he
24:35
Speaker 9: hit it at that full throttle that the witnesses said. So, no,
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Speaker 9: he did not do anything to avoid this accident.
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Speaker 1: Phil odom Unlike a car crash, we may have evidence
24:47
Speaker 1: of slamming on brakes, we may have skid marks or not,
24:50
Speaker 1: which suggests the brakes were not applied. In a crash
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Speaker 1: like this, you don't have skid marks or a lot
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Speaker 1: they're off. You'll have to determine based on the injury
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Speaker 1: to the pontoon.
25:05
Speaker 5: Damage analysis that is correct, that's going to be paramount,
25:09
Speaker 5: and figuring out exactly what happened, what the movements were
25:12
Speaker 5: just prior to the collision, at the time of collision,
25:14
Speaker 5: and after the collision. But again I would have to
25:18
Speaker 5: see the damage to the vessels in order to make
25:21
Speaker 5: that determination, and mister Peterson didn't say, in which I'm
25:25
Speaker 5: hoping that law enforcement did. Did they seize the other vessel.
25:29
Speaker 5: They should have seized both vessels in order to do
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Speaker 5: the analysis on the vessels to reconstruct it.
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Speaker 1: My guess is if they've got the pontoon, if they
25:39
Speaker 1: seize the pontoon, they seize the speed boat as well.
25:42
Speaker 1: Going out on a limb there but another issue. Tyler
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Speaker 1: Baushane who recorded the driver steering out of the water,
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Speaker 1: having the wherewithal to get that boat upon a vehicle,
25:57
Speaker 1: didn't even bother strapping it down and took off, Tyler,
26:02
Speaker 1: what made you decide.
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Speaker 7: To video that, Nancy? At the time, I didn't know
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Speaker 7: that I was filming anything important. When they were loading
26:12
Speaker 7: the boat up, their strap broke and the truck was
26:14
Speaker 7: having trouble pulling it out. So I started filming, thinking
26:17
Speaker 7: it would be like a funny boat ramp video. And
26:19
Speaker 7: I didn't notice until two days later when somebody said
26:22
Speaker 7: the boat was red and black that I went back
26:24
Speaker 7: through my pictures from that day and saw them removing
26:28
Speaker 7: that from the water. And at that time we actually
26:31
Speaker 7: my mother and I called the game warden sergeant from
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Speaker 7: Fish and Wildlife, Sergeant Cornette, and sent them the video
26:39
Speaker 7: and asked them some questions about what had happened, and
26:42
Speaker 7: that's when he actually, at that time, confirmed that the
26:46
Speaker 7: driver of the boat was.
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Speaker 6: Released after refusing a breathalyzer.
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Speaker 1: What you can just wait, wait a minute, justin Peterson,
26:58
Speaker 1: you just get released when you were fuse a breathalyzer,
27:01
Speaker 1: Because when you're talking about cars and you don't take
27:05
Speaker 1: a breathalyzer. You're violating your privilege of having a driver's license.
27:13
Speaker 1: You don't take a breathalyzer, fine, don't, nobody's making you,
27:17
Speaker 1: but you're getting arrested.
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Speaker 6: What he just left without taking a breathalyzer?
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Speaker 4: Nancy, You're one hundred percent accurate that in the event
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Speaker 4: there is suspected intoxication, whether it's a car or a boat,
27:33
Speaker 4: you can't just let someone leave because they could injure
27:35
Speaker 4: themselves or others. I have heard the reports that he
27:39
Speaker 4: refused and he was let go. I've not verified that
27:42
Speaker 4: yet with law enforcement or not, but yes, it's you know,
27:46
Speaker 4: you just hope that's not true, but I definitely understand
27:49
Speaker 4: there are witnesses saying.
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Speaker 5: That for sure.
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Speaker 1: Well, justin, wouldn't you know if the guy had gotten
27:55
Speaker 1: buy citation?
27:58
Speaker 6: I mean, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 4: There's been no charges filed that I'm aware of, Nancy.
28:03
Speaker 5: At this time, we're weeks later.
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what do you know about whether the speedboat
28:09
Speaker 1: or is this being called a wake boat was seized?
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Speaker 10: The wakeboat was seized the night of the accident.
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Speaker 8: Nancy.
28:18
Speaker 10: You know when I mentioned earlier that the deputies, sheriff's
28:22
Speaker 10: deputies had to go to the man's house and then
28:25
Speaker 10: bring him back to talk to fish and wildlife. The
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Speaker 10: boat was seized that night, and while there is no
28:31
Speaker 10: official accounting of whether or not the breathalyzer was denied
28:36
Speaker 10: or turned down, whether he refused that or not, there
28:39
Speaker 10: are witnesses that say he did refuse to take a breathalyizer.
28:43
Speaker 6: Phil Odam wants say in jump in feel.
28:44
Speaker 5: What law enforcement had this person in their hands to
28:51
Speaker 5: have him refuse a breathalyzer. Why was the boat not
28:55
Speaker 5: seized atout point even if it was sinking. They should
28:58
Speaker 5: have seized the boat and put him on their vessel
29:02
Speaker 5: and then got the boat back. They should have never
29:05
Speaker 5: let that boat go. And if he refused a breathalyzer,
29:10
Speaker 5: there's always a search warrant for a blood draw. I
29:13
Speaker 5: don't understand how he got back home after an incident
29:17
Speaker 5: like this and they let him go home. I'm from
29:21
Speaker 5: law enforcement. I try to side with them, but I
29:26
Speaker 5: can't understand why they would let him go.
29:29
Speaker 1: You and me both, brother, That's what I'm screaming.
29:33
Speaker 6: What in the hay is going on?
29:35
Speaker 1: And that jurisdiction tolerant Boshane, what do you think about
29:41
Speaker 1: what phil Odom just said, I.
29:45
Speaker 7: Mean, we're just baffled by how this happened and how
29:48
Speaker 7: he was allowed to leave the scene. There's people defending
29:51
Speaker 7: him all over the community Facebook groups. There's people saying that,
29:57
Speaker 7: you know, he didn't leave the scene when we have
30:00
Speaker 7: on video happening. We've received threats for speaking out. The
30:03
Speaker 7: whole community is really split, and there's a lot of
30:06
Speaker 7: people that support this guy. It makes you wonder why
30:09
Speaker 7: he was allowed to leave the scene and why you know,
30:12
Speaker 7: there haven't been any charges in over two weeks.
30:18
Speaker 1: Following up with Tyler Beushame, the witness who recorded the
30:24
Speaker 1: alleged driver of the speedboat high telling it they took
30:30
Speaker 1: off apparently with people still in the back of the boat. Okay,
30:35
Speaker 1: And there's so many problems right there, I can barely
30:38
Speaker 1: identify all of them. But Tyler Beshame, you rightly called
30:45
Speaker 1: fish and wildlife fishing game.
30:47
Speaker 6: I believe you call it, and you hand it over
30:50
Speaker 6: that video.
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Speaker 1: Is it true, Tyler, that you spoke to law enforcement
30:55
Speaker 1: and they told you the driver of this speedboat refused
31:02
Speaker 1: the breathalyzer.
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Speaker 7: That's correct me and see, my mother and I spoke
31:06
Speaker 7: to them and he said that he refused the breathalyzer
31:11
Speaker 7: and was released. He also confirmed that they had been
31:15
Speaker 7: allowed to remove the boat from the scene of the
31:17
Speaker 7: accident because it was thinking joining us.
31:20
Speaker 1: Now a renowned doctor, the chief medical Examiner Terran County.
31:26
Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth. Never a lack of business in the
31:28
Speaker 1: Fort Worth Morgue. Doctor Kimmel Crown's is not only the
31:33
Speaker 1: star of the hit podcast Mayhem and the Morgue, he
31:37
Speaker 1: is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine
31:42
Speaker 1: at TCU. He has performed literally thousands of autopsies deaths
31:51
Speaker 1: of all natures, and there's only a few choices. You
31:54
Speaker 1: got natural causes like heart attack, You've got accident.
31:59
Speaker 7: You have.
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Speaker 1: Homicide of course, suicide and unexplained Doctor kil mccrowns, what
32:08
Speaker 1: do you believe happened to the deceased victim, Nazar? You
32:12
Speaker 1: got the other victim in a coma, the dad. Let's
32:15
Speaker 1: start with Nizar.
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Speaker 12: So you have this wakeboat hitting the pontoon boat at
32:21
Speaker 12: a high rate of speed. Obviously, since the wakeboat still
32:24
Speaker 12: looked to be intact on the bow and the rest
32:27
Speaker 12: of the boat, it didn't crush into the pontoon boat.
32:31
Speaker 12: So it must have hit the pontoon boat, went up
32:33
Speaker 12: and into the cabin of the pontoon boat, and then
32:36
Speaker 12: continued over the top of it. Now, the people in
32:39
Speaker 12: the pontoon boat would have been struck by this high
32:41
Speaker 12: speed boat coming through. So you have many potential things
32:46
Speaker 12: that could happen. First, the bow of the boat could
32:49
Speaker 12: have potentially hit one of the individuals in the chest,
32:51
Speaker 12: possibly impaling them or causing a deep puncture wound into
32:56
Speaker 12: the chest before they fall off. If they don't get
32:59
Speaker 12: hit by the baw directly, they can get a glancing
33:01
Speaker 12: blow which can cause rib fractures. It can cause your
33:04
Speaker 12: livered erupture, your spleened to erupture. The rib fractures can
33:08
Speaker 12: push into your lungs, cutting open your heart and your
33:11
Speaker 12: lungs themselves, so you'll get all hemorrhage from all that internally.
33:16
Speaker 12: The other thing that can happen is is the boat
33:18
Speaker 12: passes over. The prop can be spinning, and it can
33:22
Speaker 12: actually the props are usually quite large, similar to this size,
33:26
Speaker 12: and these prop wings or whatever you want to call them,
33:29
Speaker 12: the blades can cut into the skin and chop through
33:32
Speaker 12: the skin, cutting off the face, cutting through the chest
33:36
Speaker 12: and all the rest of the skin, creating deep insized
33:41
Speaker 12: wounds into the body that then can also create morrhage,
33:45
Speaker 12: and they can actually decapitate and cut limbs off as well,
33:49
Speaker 12: depending on how big the blades are on the prop
33:52
Speaker 12: so you can have blunt force injuries as well as
33:55
Speaker 12: shop sharp force injuries when you're hit by a boat
33:58
Speaker 12: moving this fast of that nature.
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Speaker 11: This family is going through this difficult moment of their life, Lord,
34:05
Speaker 11: because our brother Nazar has departed from this earth. Lord,
34:09
Speaker 11: it's difficult without him. But I pray that you would
34:13
Speaker 11: comfort this family in this time. I pray that you
34:16
Speaker 11: would be their peace, their comfort, and their joy. Agread
34:20
Speaker 11: that he who began a good work will bring it
34:22
Speaker 11: to completion of the day of Jesus Christ for Nazar.
34:25
Speaker 11: That day came earlier than we imagine. Jesus said he
34:30
Speaker 11: went to prepare a place for us and for Nazar.
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Speaker 1: That place was ready.
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Speaker 6: And I have no doubt.
34:37
Speaker 1: That Christ did prepare that place in heaven for Nazar,
34:41
Speaker 1: and that very day Nazar was with him in paradise.
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Speaker 1: But that is not my concern tonight, Doctor Kendall Crowns,
34:53
Speaker 1: you outlined what you believe happened to twenty five year
34:57
Speaker 1: old Nazar. You do know that my children are about
35:01
Speaker 1: to go to college. Nazar is just a few years
35:04
Speaker 1: older than them. You described the possibility that Nazarre had
35:12
Speaker 1: flown over the top of the pontoon, that.
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Speaker 12: The boat coming over the top of the pontoon, hitting
35:18
Speaker 12: into the pontoon could have potentially hit him, causing him
35:22
Speaker 12: to go up over the wake boat or also being
35:25
Speaker 12: hit kind of glancing be shot off into the water.
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Speaker 12: There's numerous possibilities depending on how the boat hit and
35:32
Speaker 12: how it hit him.
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Speaker 1: Justin Peterson, what did the autopsyat reveal as to Nazarre's injury?
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Speaker 1: I assumed they were catastrophic.
35:40
Speaker 4: The corners not produced the autops yet. However, the children
35:44
Speaker 4: that were on the tube saw the boat hit him,
35:47
Speaker 4: and those two little children had what did they see?
35:50
Speaker 4: The boat hit him, threw him into the water. It
35:53
Speaker 4: was the ladder of what the doctor just described.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, what happened to the dad, the one
35:59
Speaker 1: in the combe, Well, so.
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Speaker 12: I mean the fact that he's still alive. He probably
36:06
Speaker 12: took a hit from the boat coming in hitting him,
36:09
Speaker 12: and he's probably you can see it in the pictures
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Speaker 12: he's got bruising of his eyes that could be described
36:15
Speaker 12: as what we call raccoon eyes, which is associated with
36:18
Speaker 12: a basler skull fracture or a fracture at the base
36:21
Speaker 12: of the skull. So he probably gets hit by the
36:24
Speaker 12: boat as he's sitting in the pontoon boat getting head trauma.
36:27
Speaker 12: He probably also gets injuries to his chest, rib fractures, bruising,
36:31
Speaker 12: in lacerations or cuts of his lungs and heart. But
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Speaker 12: his injuries weren't severe enough for him to die immediately
36:38
Speaker 12: there at the scene. But from the pictures that you have,
36:41
Speaker 12: it does appear that he has significant head trauma and
36:44
Speaker 12: probably other internal organ damage, and we'll see if he
36:48
Speaker 12: survives from that.
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Speaker 6: Dave mac when was in his r finally found Nancy.
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Speaker 10: He was found two days after the accident in July
37:00
Speaker 10: the sixth, and he was found in one hundred and
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Speaker 10: eighty four feet of water.
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Speaker 6: Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The family waited two days, knowing their child was floating well.
37:13
Speaker 1: He was found in one hundred and eighty four feet
37:16
Speaker 1: of water. And I know when I did one hundred
37:20
Speaker 1: and fifty feet, I had gone way too far. I
37:24
Speaker 1: can't imagine for forty eight hours or longer. They did
37:30
Speaker 1: not have Nazar's body. It had not been recovered.
37:35
Speaker 4: You're exactly right. Nancy has been traumatizing on this family.
37:39
Speaker 4: And as you've seen from the videos, this family is
37:42
Speaker 4: religious based and they keep their faith in Christ and
37:46
Speaker 4: that's what they had to hold on to for these
37:48
Speaker 4: two days while they suffered.
37:51
Speaker 1: And yet justin Peterson, not even a b you I
37:57
Speaker 1: voting under the influence a nothing, no citation, no anything
38:03
Speaker 1: has been launched.
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Speaker 4: I've not been advised of any criminal charges being filed
38:10
Speaker 4: at this time. I do know there is an investigation underway,
38:13
Speaker 4: and you know Alex is still in a coma.
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Speaker 7: You know he did.
38:17
Speaker 4: I will report that he was well enough two days
38:20
Speaker 4: ago to undergo brain surgery. The doctors have indicated that
38:25
Speaker 4: his vitals have improved. But Nancy, what our ultimate hope
38:29
Speaker 4: is and what the family's hope is, and is that
38:31
Speaker 4: when Alex wakes up from this, in addition to all
38:35
Speaker 4: the physical and mental difficulties he's going to have, in
38:39
Speaker 4: addition to learning that his son is dead, that his
38:41
Speaker 4: grandchildren have night terrors, that his wife has a shattered arm,
38:45
Speaker 4: we hope that he wakes up to some type of accountability.
38:49
Speaker 1: You know what, Justin Peterson, that's certainly putting perfume on
38:53
Speaker 1: the pig accountability.
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Speaker 3: No.
38:58
Speaker 1: I want justice for Nazarre. His father just had brain surgery.
39:05
Speaker 1: His wife's arm is shattered. No, No, let me stress.
39:13
Speaker 1: Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court
39:18
Speaker 1: of law, and until that presumption of innocence is pierced
39:24
Speaker 1: by evidence brought forth by the state to pierce the
39:28
Speaker 1: presumption with guilty, evidence proving that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
39:38
Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding this case,
39:43
Speaker 1: I implore you to dial eight five nine six two
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Speaker 1: three two four zero four repeat eight five nine six
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Speaker 1: two three two.
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Speaker 6: Four zero four.
39:55
Speaker 1: Do not give law enforcement any excuse not to pursu
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Speaker 1: to this case.
40:02
Speaker 6: Did you hear Tyler Baushane?
40:05
Speaker 1: She realized what she had on video, and she voluntarily
40:10
Speaker 1: contacted fish gave him wildlife.
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Speaker 6: Will you do the same.
40:17
Speaker 1: When the dad wakes up from his coma, I want
40:21
Speaker 1: him to have answers. He doesn't even know his son
40:26
Speaker 1: is dead. Tonight we remember an American hero, Lieutenant Rebecca
40:33
Speaker 1: buck NYPD, who survived and died after September eleven attacks,
40:43
Speaker 1: leaving behind parents Donald and Ruth American hero Lieutenant Rebecca Buck.
40:52
Speaker 1: Thank you to our guests for being with us, but
40:54
Speaker 1: especially to you for joining us, and I asked you
40:59
Speaker 1: join us in prayer for Nazzar's family. Nancy Grace signing
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Speaker 1: off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night, and
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Speaker 1: until then, good night, friend, m