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Steve Price | 3 October · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: If this is Steve Price, well good evening.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Steve Price. Here's what's
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  Speaker 2: coming up tonight. Amid a crime spiral in Victoria News
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  Speaker 2: today that a teenager charged with multiple crimes was given
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  Speaker 2: bail so he could go on a European holiday, I'll
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  Speaker 2: speak to crime writer Andrew Rules shortly. Plus universities are
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  Speaker 2: digging in their heels despite revelations foreign students are increasingly
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  Speaker 2: outnumbering locals. A former shadow education minister will give me
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  Speaker 2: her take, and pro Palestinian rallies planned for the steps
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  Speaker 2: of the Opera House. You know it underlines the bind
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  Speaker 2: facing liberal democracies. We now have groups leveraging the freedom
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  Speaker 2: of liberty to rail against the very society that provides
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  Speaker 2: that liberty. I'll get into all of that shortly with
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  Speaker 2: Campbell Newman. But first, when I heard about the Manchester
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  Speaker 2: Synagogue attack, my first instinct, obviously was to blame the
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  Speaker 2: hooligans who took part in those Unite the Kingdom marchers
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  Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, because well, you know who else.
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  Speaker 2: So you can imagine my complete surprise when I found
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  Speaker 2: out the attacker wasn't Nigel with a pipe glass. But
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  Speaker 2: a Syrian man whose first name is Jihad, sometimes life
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  Speaker 2: really does completely blindside you. British media reported that a
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  Speaker 2: thirty five year old British citizen of Syrian descent, Jihad
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  Speaker 2: al Shami, had plowed his car into jews standing outside
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  Speaker 2: a Manchester synagogue. Jihad then proceeded to stab jews, killing
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  Speaker 2: two before police processed his marketam application with bullets.
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  Speaker 1: Just on the terrorist's description.
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  Speaker 2: A British citizen of Syrian descent named g Held al Shami.
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  Speaker 2: Jihad is a traditional Arabic name meaning struggle and is
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  Speaker 2: now associated with violent Islamic extremism. Al Shami, well, that
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  Speaker 2: means from Syria. So a terrorist granted British citizenship in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and six is literally named Jihad from Syria.
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  Speaker 2: You'd think that might have been a red flag on
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  Speaker 2: the citizenship application, but apparently authorities looked at a guy
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  Speaker 2: named Holy War from Syria and nodded approvingly. After all,
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  Speaker 2: diversity is our strength. What could possibly go wrong? It's
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  Speaker 2: a never ending source of worry to me, that sorry
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  Speaker 2: wonder to me that we in the West import trouble.
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  Speaker 2: The clue was in the name, and then spend all
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  Speaker 2: our time wondering why we have trouble. Britain literally naturalized
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  Speaker 2: a man called Ghard from Syria and now stare in Stunn.
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  Speaker 1: This belief.
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  Speaker 2: After Ghard from Syria committed Ghart in Britain, politicians stroke
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  Speaker 2: their chins and wonder, how is it that Manchester now
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  Speaker 2: looks like Damascus.
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  Speaker 1: But with drizzle.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mystery even Agatha CHRISTI would struggle to solve.
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  Speaker 2: You know when those peace loving protesters march through Sydney
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  Speaker 2: and Melbourne every weekend chanting globalize the into Fada, Well,
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  Speaker 2: this is what a globalized into Fada looks like. It
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  Speaker 2: looks like Ghard from Syria stabbing Jews to death on
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  Speaker 2: them most Holy Day outside their place of worship in Manchester.
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  Speaker 2: After he was generously provided with British citizenship, all the
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  Speaker 2: bodies were still warm. Political leaders were performing the routine
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  Speaker 2: they know so well. It's not like they haven't had
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  Speaker 2: plenty of practice. We stand in solidarity. We will not
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  Speaker 2: tolerate hatred. It was moving the first time, but after
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  Speaker 2: twenty years of Islamis attacks on Western soil, it's now
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  Speaker 2: about as moving as a voicemail reminder from your dentist
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezy Will. He tweeted a tweet quote, I send
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  Speaker 2: my condolences to the people of Manchester after the Henus
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  Speaker 2: attack on a synagogue on the most sacred day on
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  Speaker 2: the Jewish calendar. There is no place for terrorism and
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  Speaker 2: all Australians stand with the UK at this dreadful time,
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  Speaker 2: right condolences. I'm sure the dead are comforted, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure Australian Jews feel a lot safer. I particularly love
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  Speaker 2: how he writes there is no place for terrorism. Does
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  Speaker 2: you feel the need to say that, because he's well
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  Speaker 2: aware we've imported plenty of people who feel emboldened to
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  Speaker 2: commit acts of terror. Does he imagine he hardis for
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  Speaker 2: readers tweet immediately think I hadn't realized there's no place
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  Speaker 2: for terrorism here. Take me to one of Jacinta Allen's
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  Speaker 2: bins so I can peacefully dispose of my machete. Or
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  Speaker 2: does he insist there's no place for terrorism to try
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  Speaker 2: to make us forget that here in Australia and around
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  Speaker 2: the Western world.
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  Speaker 1: There have been a huge number.
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  Speaker 2: Of Islamist terror attacks, after which we are routinely assured
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  Speaker 2: there's no place for terror.
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  Speaker 1: As if that's meant to make us.
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  Speaker 2: Believe the latest bloodshed is just one of those random
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  Speaker 2: things that happens from time to time, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: Sydney trains running on time. There's no place for terrorism, sure,
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  Speaker 2: apart from in Manchester, Paris, Sydney, New York, London, Berlin,
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  Speaker 2: Brussels or anywhere else where Westerners live. No place for
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  Speaker 2: terrorism except all the places where terrorism keeps happening. But
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  Speaker 2: we're supposed to play this game every single time, pretending
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  Speaker 2: it's an.
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  Speaker 1: Anomaly like a budget.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure jihad from Syria is reading elbows tweet from
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  Speaker 2: the afterlife and rethinking his life choices. UK Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: Kirstarmo Well, he addressed his subjects.
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  Speaker 3: Earlier today on jong Kapur, the holiest stay for the
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  Speaker 3: Jewish community. A vile individual committed a terrorist attack that
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  Speaker 3: attacked Jews because they are Jews, and attacked Britain because
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  Speaker 3: of our values.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, the terrorists attacked Jews because they are Jews. Now,
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  Speaker 2: whatever might be said in the coming days, this attack
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  Speaker 2: was not about Gaza. There's a peace deal for Gaza
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  Speaker 2: awaiting the Palestinian signature. As for it being an attack
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  Speaker 2: on British values. Well, some would argue that rather than
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  Speaker 2: an attack on British values, it was an attack enabled
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  Speaker 2: by modern British values, which seem to involve rolling out
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  Speaker 2: the welcome matt for anyone with a suitcase and aggrievance,
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  Speaker 2: and then acting surprised when the grievance is unpacked with
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  Speaker 2: a knife. If you're not yet convinced the West has
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  Speaker 2: huge problems, consider the behavior in the immediate aftermath of
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  Speaker 2: this latest attack. While the Jewish corpses were still warm,
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  Speaker 2: there was a pro Palestinian rally outside Parliament in London
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  Speaker 2: before the body bags had been removed. There was a
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  Speaker 2: pro Palestinian rally in Liverpool the blood hadn't been cleaned
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  Speaker 2: from the synagogue steps, and there was a pro Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: rally in Edinburgh. Remember all of these rallies were happening
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  Speaker 2: in the immediate aftermath of the terrorist attack. Sharks smelling
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  Speaker 2: blood never wasted tide, even in Manchester, just a few
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  Speaker 2: hours after g had from Syria had gone on his
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  Speaker 2: bloody rampage. In that very city, the sound of Jewish
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  Speaker 2: tears was well until he drowned out. By chance of free,
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  Speaker 2: free Palestine, you have to ask the question who gave
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  Speaker 2: them the idea that this is somehow justified, Who gave
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  Speaker 2: them the impression that they're privileged people in a foreign land.
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  Speaker 2: Pro Palestinians will of course argue that these demonstrations were
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  Speaker 2: pre arranged, and maybe they were, but not one organizer
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  Speaker 2: thought so. Two Jews were murdered this morning, maybe we
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  Speaker 2: can postpone the hate fest until Tuesday. You have to
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  Speaker 2: ask yourself why that wouldn't occur to them. These are
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  Speaker 2: not anti war protests anymore. They are expressions of violence
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  Speaker 2: and anarchy. It should be a national emergency when people
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  Speaker 2: respond to a terror attack by parading in support of
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  Speaker 2: the terrorists, and this is happening all over the West,
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  Speaker 2: but anyone who speaks out about it risks being arrested
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  Speaker 2: or jailed. Just on that, I think it's time we
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  Speaker 2: stopped calling these gatherings protests and started calling.
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  Speaker 1: Them for what they are.
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  Speaker 2: They're demonstrations, and they're demonstrating to all on Sundry that
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  Speaker 2: they have the protection of Western governments to chant their
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  Speaker 2: hatred and to intimidate the Jewish community with impunity. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Kiirstarmer was starmering.
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  Speaker 3: On that this is a country that stands up to hatred.
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  Speaker 3: But we don't just provide refuge, we provide a home.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, when Starmer says Britain is a country that stands
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  Speaker 2: up to hatred, he means Herty tweets about immigration posted
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  Speaker 2: on Facebook. Use social media to criticized mass immigration, and
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  Speaker 2: you're likely to get a knock on the door in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the night chant globalize Intofara in the streets,
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  Speaker 2: just hours after Jews have been stabbed to death by
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  Speaker 2: a guy who actually globatized the Infatah in Tafara, and well,
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  Speaker 2: you'll get a police escort now. Before we get back
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  Speaker 2: to Kirstara, let's check in with Australian Greens Deputy leader
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  Speaker 2: Marine Ferruki.
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  Speaker 1: Any violence against citizens anywhere should be condemned, and.
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  Speaker 4: I have bought hearted you from there.
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  Speaker 5: There is no room for any racism, any and antisemitism.
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  Speaker 6: Any Islamophobia anywhere in the world, and.
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  Speaker 7: The perfect creators should be held to account.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, you have to love the Greens, don't you.
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  Speaker 2: Jews get stabbed to death by an Islamist and she's
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  Speaker 2: immediately warning about isla phobia, and we wonder why our
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  Speaker 2: countries have become so dangerous Meanwhile, Keir Starmer bless his
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  Speaker 2: hallmark greeting card Heart was carrying on.
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  Speaker 3: On behalf of the nation. I want to offer my
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  Speaker 3: condolences to the families and victims affected and so on,
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  Speaker 3: behalf of our country. I express my solidarity, but also
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  Speaker 3: my sadness that you still have to live with these fears.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody should have to do that. Nobody spare me.
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  Speaker 2: I express my solidarity. I'm sorry, but what does that
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  Speaker 2: even mean. Solidarity doesn't stop Islamists, and solidarity doesn't revive
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  Speaker 2: Jewish corpses. Here's the thing that makes me really ticked.
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  Speaker 2: The PM speaks as though there's nothing he can do
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  Speaker 2: other than narrate the tragedy. Nobody should have to live
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  Speaker 2: with these fears. Nobody cool story, so Kia, But they do.
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  Speaker 2: They do live with these fears. You're not a grief
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  Speaker 2: counselor you're a leader, or at least you're supposed to be,
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  Speaker 2: and it's your job to do something about it. We
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  Speaker 2: don't elect our leaders to read eulogies. We elect our
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  Speaker 2: leaders to stop funerals. But Kiostar wasn't done with his dribble.
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  Speaker 3: I promise you that over the coming days you will
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  Speaker 3: see the other Britain, the Breton of compassion, of decency,
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  Speaker 3: of love, and I promise you that this Briton will
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  Speaker 3: come together to wrap our arms around your community and
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  Speaker 3: show you that Britain is a place where you and
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  Speaker 3: your family are safe, secure and belong.
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  Speaker 2: Now, now that really is great. If only Kyo Starmer
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  Speaker 2: wrapping his arms around you provided protection from the artists.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The really obscene thing about Kirstar and leaders like him.
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  Speaker 2: They'll acknowledge a Palestinian state on the other side of
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  Speaker 2: the world, but won't acknowledge a g had occurring in
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  Speaker 2: their own cities Kostarma, like Albanez, he says he wants
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  Speaker 2: to keep Jews safe.
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  Speaker 1: What a joke.
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  Speaker 2: His idea of keeping Jews safe is arresting them if
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  Speaker 2: they're too visibly Jewish.
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  Speaker 3: You are.
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  Speaker 6: Estenian Min.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not accusingly about agree, but I'm worried about the
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  Speaker 8: reaction or if you choose, because.
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  Speaker 2: Now the truth is brutal, but you've got to admit
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  Speaker 2: it's staring us in the face. The West have spent
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  Speaker 2: twenty years pretending isamus terror is an occasional anomaly instead
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  Speaker 2: of the inevitable outcome of policies that in Ghad from Syria,
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  Speaker 2: and then that's surprised when g Had from Syria behaves
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  Speaker 2: like well g Had from Syria.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the real outrage.
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  Speaker 2: You're more likely to get in trouble for saying what
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  Speaker 2: I just said than you are for marching through the
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  Speaker 2: CBD chanting globalizing into fada. Well, now to the front
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  Speaker 2: page of today's Herald's son and startling revelations that in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of a crime crisis, get this, a teenager
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  Speaker 2: charged with multiple armed robberies, including alleged car theft and
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  Speaker 2: threats to kill, has been given bail. Well, why has
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  Speaker 2: he been given bail, you ask? So he can head
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  Speaker 2: off on a family holiday to Europe?
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  Speaker 1: Astonishing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Victims, meanwhile, can take comfort in knowing the system is working,
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  Speaker 2: just not for them. Andrew Ruhle is a crime writer
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  Speaker 2: and author and joins us now to talk about all
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  Speaker 2: of this. Andrew, thanks for joining me on the program.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get your insights into the court system
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria generally, but first give us the specifics of
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  Speaker 2: this kid given bail so he can holiday in Europe.
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  Speaker 1: I read your report. I was just shaking my head.
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  Speaker 9: James, I was asked to go to the Children's Court
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  Speaker 9: in Melbourne, which I did a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 9: I went in on a random Tuesday. I went from
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  Speaker 9: court to court just listening, dropping in, listening, looking, listing.
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  Speaker 9: I went to four or five different courtrooms and I
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  Speaker 9: stumbled over this particular case halfway through, where this was
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  Speaker 9: a variation of bail application or something similar. And I
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  Speaker 9: was quite fascinated by it because I noted that the
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  Speaker 9: young offender was a fairly cool and cocky customer, which
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  Speaker 9: is fine, and I noted that the proceedings were probably
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  Speaker 9: tilting his way despite the fact that he clearly has
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  Speaker 9: a very patchy history. He's been a repeat offender. It
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  Speaker 9: would appear he's done violent things or taken part in
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  Speaker 9: violent raids with other members of what the magistrate called
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  Speaker 9: his crew. The magistrates their team to talk in the
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  Speaker 9: youth gang speak and said, you know, I know you
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  Speaker 9: hang around with that crew, and that crew includes this
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  Speaker 9: one and that one and so on and so on,
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  Speaker 9: and you know these people have been associated with stealing
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  Speaker 9: cars after home invasions, driving at two hundred kilometers an hour,
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  Speaker 9: then pulling a string of violent and scary robberies using
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  Speaker 9: knives and machetes. So these are very dangerous lads. This
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  Speaker 9: particular fellow, the magistrate ticked him off for spitting on PSOs.
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  Speaker 9: You know, we have the Public Service Officer Protection Officers
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  Speaker 9: down here, which are sort of like semi police. There
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  Speaker 9: are to people, but this particular fifteen year old thought
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  Speaker 9: that he would spit on them when they went to
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  Speaker 9: escort him off railway tracks where of course he might
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  Speaker 9: have been run over by a train. He's a very
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  Speaker 9: bad lad and he's a repeat offender. And the punishment
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  Speaker 9: at this point is your parents are going to Europe
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  Speaker 9: to see Grannie who's very old, which is fine.
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  Speaker 6: I think it'd be a good circuit breaker.
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  Speaker 9: If you went with them rather than be banged up
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  Speaker 9: behind bars. Is the crude summary that I'm making.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, hearing that story makes me one that is the
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  Speaker 2: justice system in Victoria, especially for these youth offenders. Is
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  Speaker 2: it set up to hold them accountable for their offending
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  Speaker 2: or is it really a revolving door of bail and
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  Speaker 2: compassion for the offenders.
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  Speaker 6: It would seem to be.
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  Speaker 9: There's no doubt that people are bailed repeatedly and that
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  Speaker 9: the system is set up and tilted towards the result
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  Speaker 9: that people get bail over and over rather than be
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  Speaker 9: locked up. Now I know that this is not necessarily
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  Speaker 9: a great thing, because I happen to know the mother
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  Speaker 9: of a repeat offender, a similar boy who steals cars,
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  Speaker 9: drives fast, takes drugs, does stupid stuff.
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  Speaker 6: And she's hugely relieved.
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  Speaker 9: She told me yesterday because he's finally been locked up
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  Speaker 9: for eight months, and she said, thank God, has been
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  Speaker 9: locked up. I love my son, but this is his
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  Speaker 9: chance to get away from the other guys, to stop
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  Speaker 9: stealing cars, to stop taking drugs, and to eat three
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  Speaker 9: meals a day and actually perhaps study and do his
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  Speaker 9: homework behind bars. She's delighted with it because it might
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  Speaker 9: save his just and someone else's.
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  Speaker 1: Just quickly.
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  Speaker 2: You're in Victoria going to the Victorian courts in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the crime crisis. Did it fill you with
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  Speaker 2: a sense of confidence that Victoria's going to get a
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  Speaker 2: grip on this or did you come away just feeling
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  Speaker 2: dismayed and thinking the state is in big, big trouble.
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  Speaker 9: I came away thinking that they built a beautiful court,
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  Speaker 9: architecturally superb, very luxurious, lovely in every respect, a very gentle,
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  Speaker 9: very kind very compassionate. But the net result is that
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  Speaker 9: no one in there, it seemed to me, and I'm
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  Speaker 9: dropping in. I'm a tourist, but I have reported a
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  Speaker 9: lot of courts for many years, and I've seen a
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  Speaker 9: lot of crime and things. It seems to me that
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  Speaker 9: no one in there seemed to be ashamed to be there,
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  Speaker 9: That no one there was intimidated by the process, that
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  Speaker 9: were ashamed of what they'd done or what was going
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  Speaker 9: to happen to them, or were particularly frightened. And I
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  Speaker 9: found that most curious because I know that had myself
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  Speaker 9: or my peers done things when we were teenagers that
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  Speaker 9: would land us in court, we would have been ashamed
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  Speaker 9: and pretty scared. I didn't see that, absolutely caason that
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  Speaker 9: I think is the biggest issue. There is no sense
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  Speaker 9: of shame. There is no sense that you know, I've
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  Speaker 9: done the wrong thing, I'd better straighten up. The sense
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  Speaker 9: is I can get away with this, I'll do it again,
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  Speaker 9: and I'll let me out.
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, thanks for joining me, and I encourage viewers to
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  Speaker 2: get a copy of your article.
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  Speaker 1: In the Herald Sun today.
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  Speaker 2: It's an absolutely incredible read, not particularly comforting, but a
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  Speaker 2: very important article that you had published. Well douneto you
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  Speaker 2: and thanks for joining me tonight. Well, now to that
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  Speaker 2: horrifying ramming and stabbing terror attack outside the Jewish synagogue
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  Speaker 2: in Manchester that I spoke about earlier. Two people killed
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  Speaker 2: by a British man of Syrian descent, and in the
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  Speaker 2: last few hours the deceased have been named as fifty
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  Speaker 2: three year old Adrian Dolby and sixty six year old
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  Speaker 2: Melvin Kravitz. Several others were injured in the attack. That,
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  Speaker 2: let's be honest, comes as not much of a surprise
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  Speaker 2: to anyone given the increase in anti Semitism across the UK.
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  Speaker 1: So here to discuss this and more.
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  Speaker 2: Deacon University Global Islamic Politics Chair Professor Greg Barton. Greg,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the program tonight. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: critics are saying this attack in Manchester was a direct
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  Speaker 2: failure of UK authorities.
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  Speaker 1: Is that too harsh or are they right?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it was a terrible incident. It appears to be
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  Speaker 5: a terrorist attack. Out of a terrorist attack, it succeeds
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  Speaker 5: in killing people. That's a failure, there's no getting away
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  Speaker 5: from that. On the other hand, to put it in context,
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  Speaker 5: this is extremely rare in the UK, so something about
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  Speaker 5: the UK system has worked up until now. The other
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  Speaker 5: thing that needs to be said is it appears that
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  Speaker 5: one of the reasons that there wasn't a greater loss
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  Speaker 5: of life was the brave response of the members of
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  Speaker 5: the congregation, one of whom, in responding, lost his life.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: So there's nothing good about this, just the acknowledgment that
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: it could have been very much worse. Yes, a terror
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: attacks occurred. Appears to be a terror attack. Certainly people
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: have lost their lives, and that's a failure. But I
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: don't think it can be simply put into a category
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: of saying that the system has failed completely. I mean,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: we need to look at what's gone on, what could
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: have been to understop this. The reason I'm saying this, James,
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: is because when somebody uses a car and a knife
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: on a public space, it's really hard to stop these
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: lone actor attacks and I just need to recognize that,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: and I also need to recognize the brave response of
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: people there in the single congregation making a difference.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the brave response by those at the synagogue is
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: absolutely spot on. That The irony of that, of course, Greg,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is that I believe at least one of those killed
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: in the attack was there providing security for the synagogue.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: And if you walk around Sydney, for instance, as I do,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: outside every synagogue, you'll see members of the synagogue who
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: are providing security for their fellow Jewish people. But you
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: don't see that outside you know, organizations where they have
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to provide security, that the fact they need to do
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: it is an indictment in and of itself. I want
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to ask you do you think governments are underestimating the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: ideological drivers behind these attacks? Do you think governments really
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: understand what's going on? They after everyone, they seem to
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: dismiss it. As you know, we hear loan will attack,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: this was an isolated incident, et cetera, et cetera. Do
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: you think they understand there's an ideology behind this stuff?
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: Look, I think James, that that practitioners, police intelligence officers,
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: as community members who work on these issues don't underestimate
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: they understand what's going on. There is a danger that
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: the general public and politicians included, will engage in wishful
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: thinking and say that the days of ISIS and al
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Qaeda's behind us.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: That's finished.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Thank heavens, it's no longer the problem that is wishful thinking.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: This problem is not going to go away. It's very
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: resilient and of course, given the troubles the world is
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: in at the moments, rising levels of anti Semitism, would
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: be fools to think that the risk hasn't gone up.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: It has and as you say, it's members in Victoria
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: they call the Community Security Group, members of the Jewish
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: community who put their own time and resources into guarding
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: their synagogues and schools. They make a big difference and
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: it's great that communities do that, but it's a real
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: tragedy that the community has to work so hard at
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: keeping themselves safe.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I was listening to my colleague Denikota Georgio, whose program
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: was aired before this one, and she was talking about
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the fact that we should not just think, well that
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was in the UK, it can't happen in Australia.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: You how concerned should we be in Australia about something
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: similar happening here.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that members of the community, a security group
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: and others will be doubling efforts as best they can.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: As I said, somebody acting by themselves using a car
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: or other vehicle as a weapon and using a knife.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: It's really hard to stop that coming. So you need
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: to do all you can with perimitive security, with making
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: it hard to get vehicles near a premises of high speed,
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: with slowing somebody down so you can limit the damage
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: and improve the chances of response stopping them. That has
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: been done, but I'm sure a lot more work will
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: now be done looking at well where the week points are.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: What more can we do? There has been a lot
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: of work done on Australia over the years in dealing
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: with this very threat. You know, bollards, planter boxes, steps.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Often we don't notice this, but if you look around
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: at vulnerable spots, a lot of work's being done to
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: harden them from people using a vehicle as a weapon.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: But unfortunately there's always going to be weak spots and
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: this is an ongoing threat. It'll keep people awake at
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: night because it is a real it is a real
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: fear and we can't easily say we've got a solution
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: to it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very good point, Greg Barton, Thank you for your time,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and just a reminder, you can see a special documentary
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: investigating the rise of anti Semitism in Australia. It'll be
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: broadcast on Sky News Wednesday at seven thirty pm. That's
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: October the eighth, right here on Sky We're going to
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: go to a break. But after the break, foreign students
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: have provided a river of gold for our universities. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: does that mean that domestic tertiary education is being sidelined?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Plus those plans for a protest on the steps of
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: the Sydney Opera House. When does free speech become hate speech?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: That's coming up, Welcome back to the program. Australia's elite
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to universities are standing their ground unapologetic about enrolling huge
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: numbers of international students. This follows reports during the week
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: that between a third and half of all Australia based
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: students at our top universities are foreigners. At Sydney University,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: foreign students outnumber locals. It sparked concerns about English standards,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: student experience, and whether the domestic education is being sidelined
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: in favor of overseas fee revenue. A spokesperson from the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: University of Sydney said, and I quote, We're proud of
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: our international students. They contribute to the diversity of ideas
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and cultures on campus. Since when was a diversity of
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: cultures helpful in learning mathematics, or engineering or medicine. He
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: discuss it is Liberal Senator for Victoria and former Shadow
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Minister for Education Sarah Henderson. Sarah, thanks for coming on
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the program. Why should Australians accept the system where our
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: top universities seem to be chasing international fee revenues so
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: aggressively that local students are now the minority on campus,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: certainly at least in one of our major universities.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Well, James, the straight answer is Australians should not accept
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: this situation. I think that some universities in this country,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: funded by taxpayer dollars, of course, have lost their social
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: license when they pumped so many thousands of international students
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: in the universities, which of course compromises our immigration program,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: but also compromises learning outcomes for Australians. Some universities, like
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Sydney have not done enough to put Australian students first.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: They are more preoccupied by the billions of dollars they
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: are earning, and that is simply not good enough.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Can I ask a question that I think a lot
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: of people sort of wonder about that might be a
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: bit crash, but let me put it to you, is
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it a migration racket.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Well, let me say some and many students do come
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: to this country for a genuine education, and that is
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: not in dispute. But also many students also come to
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: this country to enrolling university and then to of course
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: go on and become permanent migrants. I think the figures
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: are around about forty percent of those who enrolled in
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: about twenty ten are now permanent migrants in this country
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: or permanent residence, I should say. And that is why, James,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: we were really concerned about the situation. I still remained
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: very concerned. One point eight million people are coming to
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: this country. Jason Krey clear the Education Minister has really
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: dropped the ball on this. That's why we took a
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: very strong proposal to the last election capping international students
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: at twenty five percent at all universities with the exception
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: of a couple of regional unis on particular circumstances. And
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: that is simply because public universities have got to prioritize
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Australian students and make sure that their education outcomes are prioritized.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: And unfortunately some universities like Sydney, like Melbourne Monash un
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: sw are two preoccupied on the dollars and not enough
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: on Australian students.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is increasingly apparent.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on the University of
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Sydney spokesperson I quoted in the introduction who said we're
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: proud of our international students. This part interested me. They
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: contribute to the diversity of ideas and cultures on campus.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't the point of university be to educate an equip
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: primary arly Australian young people for the workforce and the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: industries we need, rather than creating a diversity of cultures.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Look, the primary responsibility of public Australian universities is to
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: educate Australians. But as I say, some universities like Sydney
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: and Melbourne have really taken their eye off the ball.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I do strongly defend some other universities. Some of the
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: mid tier universities are trying to get the balance right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: The proposal to cap students was first put forward by
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: the Vice chancellor of deacon Ian Martin and their numbers
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: are at twenty four percent. So some universities are really
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: being responsible trying to get the balance right, making sure
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: that you know, they have a very vibrant international student body,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: but also ensuring that there are very strong outcomes for
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Australian students. We know in so many respects James, that
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Australian universities are simply not doing a good enough job.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: Too.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Many students are sitting in their bedroom, in their classes online,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: they're not engaged, they're getting a good enough experience, they're
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: not graduating with proper learning outcomes, and of course many
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: students are dropping out, and that's also a very big concern.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: So again I reiterate how concerned I am about the
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: failure of this government to manage international students in the
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: national interest.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Sarah Henderson, I really appreciate you joining me on
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the program. Thanks so much for your time on this
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Friday afternoon. Well, now to those plans for another pro
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Palestinian rally on the steps of the Sydney Opera House.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Jewish leaders in New South Wales opposition are urging the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Men's government to block the plans. The Men's governments say
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: it's up to the police and the police well, they're
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: consulting with organizers, but fear any attempt to stop the
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: protest will be overturned by the courts, as was the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: case for the Harbor Bridge protest. The Opposition leader said
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: this morning the Opera House is not a place for division.
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: We do need to draw a line in the sand
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: when it comes to the protests that we continue to
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: see in this country that at this point in time
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: completely counterproductive. They do come from a position of division
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: and hatred and that is not acceptable.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Well to discuss this and more news of the day,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman Campbell always a delight to
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: talk with you. The last pro Palestinian rally on the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: steps of the Opera House was hate fueled and incited real.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Fear into the Jewish community.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: In fact, police famously tell Jews in Sydney don't come
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: down to the Opera House tonight. They were told to
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: stay home. How can this one two years later be allowed.
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: And let's not forget, James, that that protest occurred before
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: the Israelis had even gone anywhere near Gaza. That was
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: the fraudulence of that particular event. It was more really
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: a defiant, almost celebration of the horrors of the seventh
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: of October. Look, James, this is difficult. I don't want
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: to see the right to protest kurtile. But frankly we
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: all the whole community's had enough of these jokers because
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: it's causing disruptions to the CBD of Sydney and other cities,
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: and also of course with the Harbor Bridge. I think
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: the real way to go forward here is the protest
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: may have to go ahead, be permitted, but anybody engaging
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: in the display of terrorist symbols that have been on
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: organizations that are declared terrorist organizations, or the expressions of
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: true hate speech or terrorist dogma, or the police jump
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: on those people. And for God's sake, if the Jewish
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: Committee want to turn up and have a counter protests,
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: then they should be able to and the police are
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: going to have to keep order. So those are my
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: sort of thoughts on it. But I've got to tear
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: I'm complet lately over it, you know. And let's hope
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: that Donald Trump's peace plan actually sees Ultimately these things
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: are distant memory.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: You may have answered this next question already, but you've
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: been a premier, so so imagine your premier again and
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you're sitting in Chris Min's seat.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: You're fed up with this stuff. What do you do.
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: I think again, you know, the right to protest in
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: a democracy is critically important, you know, and we've got
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: to sort of continue to allow those things to happen.
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: But maybe it's some sort of constraint on Well, if
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: you've had our protest every week for the last twelve weeks,
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: then you know the next month we will want some
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: peace and quiet. Maybe there's another protest who wants some space.
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: But the other thing is just coming down really hard
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: on people who are you know, engaged in support for
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: a terrorist organization, who are expressing hate speech against the
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: Jewish community. Those things should be jumped on and again.
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: And this was the problem going back to the last
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: Oper House protest, when people in the Jewish community were
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: hustled away as though they'd done something wrong. That's unacceptable
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: as far as I'm concerned.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about Papua New Guinea's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: cabinet approving a landmark defense treaty with Australia that's given
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albansi a major strategic win ahead of his White
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: House meeting with Donald Trump, and it's delta blow to
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: China's ambitions in the Pacific. The real test now for
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Albanesi is whether he can turn this win. And it's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: a pretty important deal. I would suggest with PNG be
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: into a lasting strategic advantage. He's had failures with van Uatu.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: The Solomon Islands is a problem.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Could this be a turning point for Anthony but easy
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: with his foreign policy?
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: Well, I hope it's a turning point for our defense
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: preparedness because we have been losing ground in the Pacific
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: over the last at least five years, and we need
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: to actually cooperate with our neighbors, and PNG is absolutely
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: vital to that whole thing. I was speaking recent on
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: a panel with a former general and other sort of
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: people who are defense commentators, and we're talking about the
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: importance of being able to have training within the ADF
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: or PNG nationals or some of them even joining the
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: ADF and that interoperability being fostered. So this is a
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: good thing if the ADF really do get behind it
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: with their opposite numbers and the pm GDF and actually
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: make it work on the ground, I think that's a
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: really good thing. As to whether it has any sort
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: of real currency or seen as a big thing. For example,
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: Washington gives us sort of browning points well, I've got
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: to say I don't think so, but we might be surprised.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Of course, over the past week, the stouch between BHP
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: and China over iron ore trade has been in the headlines.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: I think that situation in particular highlights the enormous power
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: we've given China by making ourselves so dependent on them.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's proof, if anyone needed, that we're dangerously exposed.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Do you agree with that analysis and what do you
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: make of state premiers. I'm thinking of Victoria continually going
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: to China to increase our trade ties with China that
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I would suggest make us even more exposed.
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: Gee, James is an awful lot to unpick you firstly,
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: coming to the core of the dispute, let's all will
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: be a bit grown up about this. And HP James
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: as a global mining company, have a procurement department, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: they are ruthless and relentless and dealing with their supplies.
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: They use market power to do everything from procure great
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: prices for them for truck tires, batteries, diesel fuel, any
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: of the inputs to their mining operations. And you know
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: they're sort of bleating about essentially their customer, China engaging
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: in similar procurement I suppose conduct. You know, let's be
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: growing up about it. That's the real world. It's brutal,
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: it's quite scary. But in terms of the commercial side
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: of it, you know, of course the Chinese are going
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: to do that. And people James have been warning for
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: many years on the iron ore front that the Chinese
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: thought they're paying too much, that they're going to look
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: for alternative supplies. And if you're running a qua's eyes
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: sort of well not a monopoly but an oligopoly, and
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: you know, you're really sort of extracting big prices out
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: of your customer, they ultimately are going to respond. So
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: that's what we're getting. Are we too dependent on them
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: as a customer too?
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: We are?
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: We need to make sure these operations are run as
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: efficiently as possible, and I'm afraid big mining companies are
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: not efficient.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: They're not nimble either.
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: And so we need to see them doing that. And
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: for state premieres in Wa with their royalties and approval processes,
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: and in Queensland with David Chris Foley and David Ganetski
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: the State treasure who think you can have high coal
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: royalties and there won't be any response. Think again, we
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: need to be open for business and we need to
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: actually encourage new customers out there and investment in it
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: in both wa and Queensland. So there's an awful lot
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: in this very commercial, but it's also strategics.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Very good points. Cambell Newman, always a delight to talk
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: to you. I appreciate you joining me, Thanks so much.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: we'll go live to the UK for more on that
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: terrorist attack at the Manchester Synagogue and to talk about
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: kiss Darma's digital ID, all of that in just a moment.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Joining me now live from London is social commentator and
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Adam Sorry, Adrian Hayes.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Adrian, thanks for joining me this evening.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the reaction in Manchester
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: after the events of this morning. How's the local community responding,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and not just in Manchester but indeed around the country.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, good, even, jameson, good even to all your viewers.
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: I think if you sum it up with three big things,
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: there's anger. There's anger through the whole country. I mean
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: anger that it keeps happening all too regularly, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: we had the Ariana Grande concert, we had the Southport
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: kill who killed three young children last year, the two
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: university students.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: All too frequently there's anger.
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: That the police or the police, the judiciary and our
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: politicians are not doing anything about it. And I think, thirdly,
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: an anger about where our country has gone has got
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: to where our country has become. And that sort of
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: relates with the immigration system, the asylum system, the raising.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: The flags and all such things.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: So you know, it's pretty it's pretty grim, to be honest,
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: and I like to think it was very heartwarm day
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: to hear a Muslim commentator, lumne'z ide, whose exit printer
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: style came out today on the airways and apologized on
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  Speaker 7: behalf of the Muslim community for what happened yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: How do you think the attack will ultimately reflect on Kirstama?
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  Speaker 2: I spoke at the top of our show tonight about
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  Speaker 2: his remarks to Britain and he was, you know, standing
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  Speaker 2: in solidarity and sending compassion and so on and so forth,
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  Speaker 2: buying that or do they expect more from him? And
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  Speaker 2: how's this likely to affect his standing because he's very
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  Speaker 2: unpopular already. I can't imagine this is going to help
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  Speaker 2: his cause.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Look, politicians are a grade at making grandeous statements trying
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  Speaker 7: to look powerful and leadership like, but.
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  Speaker 6: It's really missing the point.
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  Speaker 7: You want a little bit more empathy and not reading
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  Speaker 7: from a speech that someone else has prepared.
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  Speaker 6: Look, you know it's already well saying this, but the Home.
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  Speaker 7: Secrate Shabana Mahmoud immediately where she condemned the attack, but
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  Speaker 7: she said those who seek to divide us will fail.
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  Speaker 7: I know who was that dig at the people sort
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: of waving flags on the streets. And you know what,
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  Speaker 7: I think the government has to take responsibility for.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, they're pushing the Islamophobia law.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: But I have lived in islam countries and Islamic countries
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  Speaker 7: and countries in Asia and the Middle East, and they
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  Speaker 7: work fantastically. Everyone lives in perfect peace because everyone abides
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  Speaker 7: by the rules of the law and everyone embeddies the
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  Speaker 7: culture and values of the country they become in.
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  Speaker 6: Unfortunately, and this is the cause of yesterday attack.
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  Speaker 7: You know, we've had a We've got a minority, but
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  Speaker 7: substantial minority of extremists, radicalized Islamis who are causing this
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  Speaker 7: havoc on an alto regular basis.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Kirstarmer's digital ID proposal.
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  Speaker 2: He says it's to stop illegal asylum seekers coming into
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the UK and getting work, which sounds a little dubious.
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  Speaker 2: What's the reaction been in the UK to his proposal
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  Speaker 2: and do you think it will move forward or do
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  Speaker 2: you think it's something the government will drop?
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: Well, the Guardian's headline there at one point six million
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: is actually nearly three million. Now people are dead against it. Look, James,
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  Speaker 7: we already have an idea. It's called a passport, it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: called a national insurance certificate, it's a national insurance number.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: We've got driving license, all these things.
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  Speaker 7: This was never in the manifesto and it's been brought
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  Speaker 7: in like so many politicians, but for him parties as
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: a distraction. It's a distraction against the pressing problems that
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: they are prepared don't have the courage to face. And
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: there's nothing in principle wrong with the digital ideas.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: What it could be usedful.
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: This is the big thing, and we saw a glimpse
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: of that during the COVID crisis with vaccine, passports and
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: all the rest. So I think there's a big pushback
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: against and I don't think it's going to happen because
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: I think there'd be such a non compliance. The people
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: are waking up in the UK, probably in Australia too.
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  Speaker 7: You can't get away with things like used to and
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: people arise against the established rulers and saying no, we're
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: not having this.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, Andrew Hayes, I really appreciate your time. Great to
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: catch up with you. Thanks so much. Well, we're going
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: to go to a break. When I come back, I'll
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: be joined by my panel and we will talk about
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: ISIS brides returning to Australia, that and more in.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Just a moment. Let's get straight into my Friday night panel.
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  Speaker 2: Research fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs Mia Schlitt
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  Speaker 2: and I News regular Joe Hildebrand. Welcome, guys Now News
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: today that so called ISIS brides who have been in
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Syria now returned to Australia. This is a pretty controversial topic. Miya,
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts is this a good thing and should Australians
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  Speaker 2: be concerned?
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  Speaker 12: Well, listen on this point. I really think the federal
• 44:21
  Speaker 12: government just needs to be honest with Australians.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: A concern was.
• 44:25
  Speaker 12: Raised not too long ago about the possibility that these
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: Isis brides we brought back to Australia and the federal
• 44:31
  Speaker 12: government told us that it wouldn't happen, and well now
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  Speaker 12: it's happened. So I think Australians are very very valid
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  Speaker 12: to be sitting there saying, hey, you need to be
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  Speaker 12: upfront and honest with us about what's changed.
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  Speaker 1: Joe.
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  Speaker 2: There's been remarks from the Assyrian community here in Australia
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  Speaker 2: saying the Assyrian Christian community say they're very worried about
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: people coming back from Syria having been their supporting Isis
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: So their worries founded well founded.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's obviously very concerning.
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  Speaker 13: The question is what else do you do. I mean,
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: on top of the fact that you've got these Isis brides,
• 45:06
  Speaker 13: they have children, and those children were born in Australia.
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: In the most part, they are Australian citizens, and an
• 45:12
  Speaker 13: Australian citizen is entitled to return home to Australia. This
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: is not something the Federal government itself has done. This
• 45:20
  Speaker 13: is something that was done by the people themselves. The
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: question is can the Federal government then strip these adults
• 45:27
  Speaker 13: or even children of their citizenship and if they're not
• 45:29
  Speaker 13: a citizen of another country. I believe that's illegal or
• 45:33
  Speaker 13: impossible to do, so it's something we have to do.
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: They will need to be monitored and watched very very closely.
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: But of course it is a worry.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's lighten things up a little bit.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I think days after Donald Trump said climate change as
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: a scam, the Pope has presided over a bizarre ceremony
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: during which he blessed a block of ice.
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  Speaker 14: Take a look.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but it got weirder.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: After blessing the slab of ice, he lingered while a
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: bunch of oddballs pranced around with a giant bedsheet simulating
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: rivers or something.
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  Speaker 1: Loud to see missing you.
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  Speaker 4: Contuted creatu.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Mea.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: The Pope slammed people who ridicule the idea of global warming.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Do we need a woke pope?
• 46:47
  Speaker 12: Yeah, this is one of the more extraordinary things I've seen. No,
• 46:51
  Speaker 12: I don't think we need a woke pope. Listen, I'm Catholic.
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: I'm a huge supporter of the Catholic Church. I think
• 46:56
  Speaker 12: the Catholic Church has done great things are for many
• 46:58
  Speaker 12: Christians all around the world. Just look at John Paul
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: the second he did a great job saving the West,
• 47:04
  Speaker 12: and I really hope that Pope Leo doesn't make this
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: his crusade because I think it's off the mark. I
• 47:09
  Speaker 12: don't think it's what the base thinks. I don't think
• 47:11
  Speaker 12: it's what the base supports. So yes, I hope this
• 47:13
  Speaker 12: doesn't become a key focus of his.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Joe, should the Pope be speaking out about climate change
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: or are there other things happening around the globe right
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: now that as a leader of the Christian Church maybe
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: he should be a little more focused on.
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: Well, I like me even more now that I know
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: she's a Catholic, so she's part of the One True Church.
• 47:32
  Speaker 13: And James, you dirty prodies, I still haven't forgiven you
• 47:35
  Speaker 13: for the Reformation, so just take that on board.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: But look, the Catholic Church has always.
• 47:40
  Speaker 13: Been very strong on environmentalism, generally because, of course it
• 47:44
  Speaker 13: sees the environment as God's creation, and so it has
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: I think perhaps surprised a lot of conservatives by being very,
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: very proactive and all in on climate change. There are,
• 47:55
  Speaker 13: of course a lot of other really big problems that
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: the Catholic Church does focus on. It is I think
• 47:59
  Speaker 13: the strongest advocate and do good against poverty, and alleviating poverty,
• 48:06
  Speaker 13: and that's part of the reason why I.
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: Love it and respect it so much.
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: But that block of ice is pretty weird, and I'm
• 48:13
  Speaker 13: pretty sure it's not the kind of ice that Donald
• 48:14
  Speaker 13: Trump is used to dealing with.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I reckon, You're right. It was a very weird church service.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know what was going.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: On there, but anyway, that's that's not at the moment.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: There's a lot more to the Catholic Church than just that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I got to say, Mia and Joe, thanks so much
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: for joining me tonight. I really appreciate it. That's all
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I've got time for tonight, but stick around. Coming out
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: right now is the brilliant Rowan Dean