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Nate Tice on Shedeur Sanders to Start, Chiefs' last chance vs. Colts, Packers on the ropes | 11.21 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 3: Not too much. Nate Tice Friday. I'll take it. I'll
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  Speaker 3: take it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a, it's a rotating Marquis these days,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it is.
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  Speaker 3: I like the Friday show. That's perfect. Yeah. You can
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  Speaker 3: brand that and make sure you have the fish too.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's why I associate it's fish Fridays. That's
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  Speaker 3: Nate Tice, Nate Tyson, fish fries. That's what we got
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  Speaker 3: going on.
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  Speaker 2: There we go. We'll make it happen, man.
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  Speaker 1: We got a lot of, a lot of NFL action
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  Speaker 1: coming up this weekend. this feels crazy to me, but
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  Speaker 1: I have to be honest about it. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this game is interesting when people say that we chase
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  Speaker 1: clicks and I am not chasing clicks. However, the clicks
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  Speaker 1: are often an indication of what y'all want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about or what it is that y'all want to hear about.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if you experienced this on the,
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  Speaker 1: on your show. Actually, I know you do. Cause they
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  Speaker 1: coming down on my man, Charles McDonald's head. He got
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  Speaker 1: a podcast called football 301 with friend of the program,
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  Speaker 1: Charles McDonald. Um, The people really get charged up about
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  Speaker 1: Shadual Sanders. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me,
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  Speaker 1: but the people really get charged up about him. He
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  Speaker 1: is going to start on Sunday. Dylan Gabriel is still
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  Speaker 1: in concussion protocol. And so he is going to start.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, brother. I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: who it is that they're going to play against. I
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  Speaker 1: just know that he's going to be out there and
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  Speaker 1: you play football, college football.
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  Speaker 2: As a quarterback. This is kind of your, this is
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  Speaker 2: your thing. This is what you do. What, what, What
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  Speaker 2: did you see on Sunday?
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  Speaker 3: A guy that I saw in the preseason, which was
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  Speaker 3: a guy that's not very big and also runs backwards
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  Speaker 3: in the pocket and kind of seems like a step
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  Speaker 3: behind running an NFL offense, which is what he looked
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  Speaker 3: like in the preseason. Even worse. when talking about him
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  Speaker 3: as a prospect, and I think people, I mean, people
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  Speaker 3: definitely got out over their skis about him because I
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  Speaker 3: always considered him and Charles did too, Charles McDonald. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you actually mentioned that because when that tweet,
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  Speaker 3: that clip got posted, uh, And at first I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this will get some, you know, some people probably get
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  Speaker 3: mad about this, but whatever. And then I wake up
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  Speaker 3: the next day and I was like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: And because I get tagged in it and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: and my guy Charles isn't even on Twitter anymore. So
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  Speaker 3: I just, I just see all these and I'm like
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  Speaker 3: sending it to him. Are you seeing this? But no,
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  Speaker 3: but even going into the draft was, I thought he
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  Speaker 3: was a day two guy. It was how I kind
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  Speaker 3: of put it, like a third round grade. I thought
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  Speaker 3: a lot of these quarterbacks were, I thought Jackson Dart
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  Speaker 3: as well was like a late second, early third rounder.
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  Speaker 3: And watching him on Sunday, that's exactly what he looks like.
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  Speaker 3: He looks like a guy that needs time, a guy
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  Speaker 3: that's a more of a project. But then my argument
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  Speaker 3: got to about Schroeder was what traits are you working
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  Speaker 3: with here? Like, and this is actually some of my
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  Speaker 3: discussion with JJ McCarthy right now, too, where it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if it's a project with the guy that needs time,
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  Speaker 3: I want that guy to look like Anthony Richardson and
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  Speaker 3: play like Anthony Richardson. Or I want a Josh Allen
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  Speaker 3: if you want the high end of that or a Culpepper.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we talk about every time I'm on
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  Speaker 3: this show, but you want the guy that you can
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  Speaker 3: grow into being a freak. You know, you want the
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  Speaker 3: freaky traits and then we work on the polish. But
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  Speaker 3: if I'm trying to polish this guy to be a
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  Speaker 3: fine average starter, is it worth the, is the juice
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  Speaker 3: worth the squeeze? But watching him on Sunday, that's what
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  Speaker 3: it looked like. It looked like a guy that hadn't
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  Speaker 3: played much or had like looks like he's behind the
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  Speaker 3: eight ball with an NFL offense. And also just like
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  Speaker 3: some of the trade stuff and some of the play
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  Speaker 3: styles were behind, too, as far as with the pocket movement.
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  Speaker 3: Bullets started flying and he reverted to his worst tendencies,
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  Speaker 3: which was drifting back in the pocket. And they go
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  Speaker 3: against the Raiders this week who don't have the craziest
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  Speaker 3: defense in the world, but they still have Max Crosby.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm curious how many Tom Brady, Shader Sanders kind
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  Speaker 3: of discussions happen after this game. I'm sure it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be exhausting with some of those connections, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 3: with the pre-show and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like improper conversations.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way in the world that Fox
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  Speaker 1: is sending Tom Brady to cover no Browns and Raiders,
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  Speaker 1: but it would be great if they had. So we
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  Speaker 1: could see him talking to coaches he shouldn't be talking to,
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  Speaker 1: talking to a player that he probably shouldn't be talking to.
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  Speaker 3: I love they point out every time he's on. They're like,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have a headset on. He doesn't have a headset.
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  Speaker 3: They make sure the commentators go, CeCe, it's okay. It's
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  Speaker 3: above board. He doesn't have a headset on. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: we got it. We got it. We got it, guys.
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  Speaker 1: But no, I will say this about Shador for me because,
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  Speaker 1: as I said early in the season, no, he's not
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  Speaker 1: in a position to be successful.
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  Speaker 2: He plays for the Browns.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a single person on that team that's being
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  Speaker 1: put into a position to be successful.
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel.
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  Speaker 1: Was not put into a position to be successful. And
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  Speaker 1: I say this as somebody that doesn't think there is
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  Speaker 1: a position for Dylan Gabriel to be successful. Like you
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  Speaker 1: and I both are like, hey, man, you got to
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  Speaker 1: be really super talented if you're going to be a
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  Speaker 1: little guy playing quarterback or a short guy playing quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: You play college football with Russell Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember when he came out and this is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was I was covering him when he
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  Speaker 1: was a freshman at NC State.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the argument was if this guy can't do it
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  Speaker 1: at this size, then that means that nobody can do
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  Speaker 1: it at this size. Like that's how talented he is.
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  Speaker 1: And he did it at this size.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Um, Dylan Gabriel is not Russell Wilson in terms of
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  Speaker 1: the talent. Like this isn't, I don't think this is
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  Speaker 1: going to go well for him. Nobody's in a position
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  Speaker 1: to be successful playing for that team. Joe Flacco, who
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  Speaker 1: looks like an NFL quarterback again, playing for the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: He was not in a position to be successful playing
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  Speaker 1: for the Browns. Like we need to get that out
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  Speaker 1: of the way. All of that's to say, I think
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  Speaker 1: that we could go ahead and start looking at the
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  Speaker 1: future when it comes to Shador. Like, what's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen in the offseason with him? Because I feel fairly
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  Speaker 1: confident the Browns are going to draft a quarterback in
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  Speaker 1: the top five of this draft and Sanders is not
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  Speaker 1: going to play for them anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Who's going to sign up for this?
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  Speaker 1: I'm very, very curious of that because it feels like You, A,
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  Speaker 1: at the very least, need somebody who thinks that he
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  Speaker 1: could turn into a backup quarterback, which is still not certain, right?
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  Speaker 1: So you need somebody who thinks that he could develop
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  Speaker 1: while also having the patience to recognize, or maybe you
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  Speaker 1: just need a Lamar Jackson or somebody that starts ahead
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  Speaker 1: of him to where nobody's calling for the backup, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like where Shador said he.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't want to play for the Ravens, for example, because
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's going to be there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm never going to play.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. That was going to be best case
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  Speaker 1: scenario for you. was to be somewhere where you weren't
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  Speaker 1: going to play. And maybe you could lay low and
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  Speaker 1: get better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what it has to be. Because, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: even just this summer, people were asking Kevin Stefanski, why
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  Speaker 3: is he fourth? And it's like, well, there's two vets ahead.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's just even taking reps and everything. And
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  Speaker 3: there's just the understanding of that, where you are in
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  Speaker 3: the hierarchy, and understanding that you're not getting these one reps.
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  Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I think no matter what,
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  Speaker 3: the thing with the Browns, too, is their offensive line
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  Speaker 3: is a ticking time bomb. As far as, it's already
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  Speaker 3: weak this year, but it's older. Like all their guys,
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  Speaker 3: I think all their starters are above 30, which is,
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  Speaker 3: I'm 36 and I'm acting like, oh man, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just all these guys are above 30. But in sports terms,
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  Speaker 3: that is old. And all of them are contract wise,
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  Speaker 3: I think three or four of their starters, their contracts
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  Speaker 3: are up after this year. So, all right. So if
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  Speaker 3: I'm dropping in a young quarterback, another one, say Fernando Mendoza,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just throwing a name out there. Say we throw
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  Speaker 3: him out there. He's going to be behind a reworked
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  Speaker 3: offensive line with potentially Jerry Judy as your best pass catcher.
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  Speaker 3: which is not a winning proposition. Got a cool running back,
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  Speaker 3: Quincy on Jenkins. He's cool. You know, he's a fun player. Well, well, well. Well, well,
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  Speaker 3: on field, on field, on field, on field.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Art and artist. Separate that completely. Yes, I know. I
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  Speaker 3: always have to do that. And then actually that's funny,
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  Speaker 3: but Harold fan and their tight end from Bowling Green,
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  Speaker 3: Charles actually compared him to Aaron Hernandez and, As far
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  Speaker 3: as a prospect. And he just kept having to go
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  Speaker 3: on field only on field only. So yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But they actually move kind of the same. It's kind
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  Speaker 3: of funny. But they on field, but no, they, but
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  Speaker 3: watching all that, that's a totally reworked team. Like you
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  Speaker 3: need several pass catchers. You need at least two receivers.
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  Speaker 3: Cedric Tillman's interesting, but he has concussion issues amongst other things.
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  Speaker 3: Judy is a two at best. And so you need
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  Speaker 3: a number one receiver. You need at least three starters
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  Speaker 3: on the offensive line. And then you're going to drop
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  Speaker 3: in a young quarterback there. So they're already going to
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  Speaker 3: be still messy going into next year. Maybe more positivity
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  Speaker 3: because then they have their guy, which originally was– Dylan
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  Speaker 3: Gabriel was their guy in the third round that they overdrafted.
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  Speaker 2: That was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing about when he got drafted.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, that's the thing that gets him in trouble with Shador. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That pick was so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Even people that like Dylan Gabriel that I talked to,
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  Speaker 3: I was not a fan because I'm kind of a sizist,
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  Speaker 3: especially a quarterback. But I– Watched it. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: fifth rounder, you know, maybe a fourth round guy. You know,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes that happens with QBs. You take them to the
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  Speaker 3: fourth of a team that likes them. But then going
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  Speaker 3: into the third round, especially in that QB draft, you're
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  Speaker 3: really saying we like them, this group above everybody else.
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  Speaker 3: And you mentioned him with Russ. I was actually talking
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  Speaker 3: to your producer about this before the show. It's not
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  Speaker 3: even just height with these guys. It's weight. And weight
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  Speaker 3: with a quarterback really matters. And it's not just because
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  Speaker 3: to run a guy over. It's standing in the pocket.
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  Speaker 3: And when a guy grabs at you and pulls at you, like,
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  Speaker 3: do you just get falling down or are you knocked
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  Speaker 3: down easily? You see this issue happening with J.J. McCarthy
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  Speaker 3: right now, which was an issue I had before the
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  Speaker 3: season or before the draft with him. Jane Daniels, it
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  Speaker 3: was more of injury concerns, and he has the speed
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  Speaker 3: to get away from it. But the weight of these guys,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's a combat sport. It's a physical sport.
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  Speaker 3: And combat sports have weight classes. And so when I
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  Speaker 3: watch and when I see a guy like Dylan Gabriel
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  Speaker 3: that's a buck 90, and I would say a fine
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  Speaker 3: athlete but not an exceptional athlete, And a fine arm,
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  Speaker 3: not an exceptional arm. A guy like Russ is 215?
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  Speaker 3: He's a big, thick guy who was drafted to play baseball.
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  Speaker 3: So he has a baseball arm and also launches it
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  Speaker 3: that way. But he also has the stoutness and the
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  Speaker 3: strength to hold up. It wasn't just the height. It's
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  Speaker 3: the weight. And it's a four or five guy and
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  Speaker 3: he's yes and he's an exceptional and even a guy
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  Speaker 3: like kyler who is the actual the bare minimum i
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  Speaker 3: think baseball arm stout you know he's not the biggest
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  Speaker 3: guy but he's a little stout for how small he
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  Speaker 3: is but again those are the things that are difference
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  Speaker 3: between a guy like dylan gabriel who had average arm
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  Speaker 3: average quickness average stuff like that on top of being
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  Speaker 3: smaller than those guys So I just always kind of like–
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  Speaker 3: but this also just ties in with Shadur. He's not
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  Speaker 3: the biggest guy either. Going into– he put on a
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  Speaker 3: little combine weight, but I think he was $ 1. 96, $ 1. 97
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  Speaker 3: his last year at Colorado. $ 2. 05 is the bare minimum
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  Speaker 3: you have to be at. There's not a long history
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  Speaker 3: of quarterbacks being successful below $ 2. 05. It's like Joe Montana,
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  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, Jeff Garcia– aaron brooks like if you yeah
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  Speaker 3: but it's not a long history all those guys are
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  Speaker 3: drafted in the third round the fourth round undrafted not
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  Speaker 3: guys drafted in the first round top 15 and all
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  Speaker 3: that so but even a guy with like chador that's
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  Speaker 3: something that has some concerns not the greatest athlete he's
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  Speaker 3: not the biggest guy either and so hopefully you have
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  Speaker 3: the arm but right now he's not hanging in the
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  Speaker 3: pocket like you wanted to see to like make this
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  Speaker 3: be successful at this point in time of course.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I also think the Browns are at a bind
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  Speaker 1: no matter what they do. If the plan is we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get a quarterback next year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You follow these guys more closely than I do. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen a reason to be excited about a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be in this draft yet. Whether we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about Mateer, we're talking about Mendoza.
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  Speaker 3: Mendoza. Who are we?
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  Speaker 2: Like, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like to this day, Carson Beck is probably the
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  Speaker 1: look-the-part guy about all of these.
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  Speaker 2: That's a terrible idea.
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  Speaker 1: But at least when I've looked at him, I've been like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that looks like an NFL quarterback from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't see any quarterback yet that's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is what you want to do.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I've graded these guys now. I just
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  Speaker 3: did a big board. I had four guys in my
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  Speaker 3: top 30. But the thing was, none of them are
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  Speaker 3: like what I call a true blue chip guy, which
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  Speaker 3: goes in the top five of any draft class, period.
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  Speaker 3: it's a like Mendoza. I like he's my QB one.
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  Speaker 3: I actually, of course, I actually feel like I'm in
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  Speaker 3: a safe place here. I really like sellers, Lenore sellers
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  Speaker 3: from South Carolina. I think you and I have the
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  Speaker 3: same quarterback archetype that we've lost. Um, and actually his
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  Speaker 3: film is way better than he's getting credit for. He's
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  Speaker 3: way further along than Anthony Richardson was. It's just South
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  Speaker 3: Carolina's offense lines. One of the worst I've ever watched.
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  Speaker 3: His receivers are running the wrong routes. He's better than
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  Speaker 3: people realize, but I'm curious what, He might transfer instead.
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  Speaker 3: He's really young for his grade, too. He's the one
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  Speaker 3: guy that has that upside of being like a true dude. Mendoza,
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  Speaker 3: to me, has a very high floor and a pretty
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  Speaker 3: good ceiling. But to him, it's like his peak is
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  Speaker 3: like QB 12, QB 10. Good starter, but not the
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  Speaker 3: dude that you want. If you're a team like the Jets,
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  Speaker 3: that might be a breath of fresh air. You know, like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: my God, we finally just got someone that's competent. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: the Browns want that. But I agree with you. It's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of what I call green chip prospects. good prospects,
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  Speaker 3: but not, oh, got to get this guy in the
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  Speaker 3: top 10 like Caleb Williams or Drake Mayweather. Those guys
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  Speaker 3: were purple chips, $ 500 chips to me. These guys, but
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  Speaker 3: there's Ty Simpson from Alabama. But I think he has
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  Speaker 3: some accuracy issues. He's not very big either, and he
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  Speaker 3: hasn't started a lot of games. Dante Moore, I do like.
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  Speaker 2: He gives you a head scratcher or two a game.
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  Speaker 3: Every game. He's fun because he tries some shit, but
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  Speaker 3: he also gets himself in trouble because of that. And again,
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  Speaker 3: not very big. Dante Moore, I think long term, I
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  Speaker 3: think he should go back another year. but it's because
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  Speaker 3: I'm more excited about what he's developing and what he
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  Speaker 3: is showing. He's a little safe right now, but, man,
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  Speaker 3: he's got something to him. He's got some good accuracy.
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  Speaker 3: He's got decent size and everything. He's a guy, but
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  Speaker 3: I think he'll go back. But we'll see how that
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  Speaker 3: all goes. Tell a guy that they're going to the
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  Speaker 3: top 10, everything changes. To your point, there's no real–
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question on.
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  Speaker 1: That right fast because you just hit on something I
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  Speaker 1: think is important. With the new world order and these
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  Speaker 1: guys actually getting some money, Like, does a 2026 version
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  Speaker 1: of Anthony Richardson, for example, go back to school?
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  Speaker 3: I think he does. Or transfer somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's going to be interesting to see with
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: some of these dudes. And of course, always, what do
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: you hear back on your draft grade? Because the thing
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: we've learned, remember when it was like, oh my gosh,
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: Matt Leiter came back to school.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy. Clearly, he was told you need to
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: come back to school.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: Jake Locker.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Remember when Jake Locker came back and everybody was like, yo,
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. Nah, they told him to come back
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: to school. You know, but with these guys, if you're
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: hearing you're going to be a top 15 pick, you
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: should probably go.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: But if you can still make five or $ 6.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Million, which some of these guys can make by going
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: back to school.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: That's no, you're exactly right. I actually looked at it.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Spotracks got it. And I like, so how much are
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: these guys making? Like the top quarterbacks in college, what?
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: Four mil, three mil. somewhere around there three to five
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: mil somewhere around there and like the break-even point okay
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: is pick number 12 this year in the 2025 class
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: got four million his first year he made 22 million
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: over four years okay so are you a top 15
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: pick or not if you're not transfer go back to
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: school like that's what it's become and and i don't
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: blame guys some guys are gonna change that and be
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: like no i want to get to the league and
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: i totally get that but a guy like sellers who
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: i think should go in the top 12. And I
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: think if he does enter the process, coaches are going
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: to watch him and then see the traits. He's supposed
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: to be a great kid, all this stuff. But the
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: thing is, all right, well, if that's not a guarantee
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: and he's hearing, oh, you might be a day two guy, well,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: then there's transfer and everything because now they can get
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: that money. They can get top 12 pick money. But
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: that's what I've been kind of looking at. It's like
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: for them, that has to be the break-even point for
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: some of them because why– Enter the draft when I
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: could just get paid another $ 4 million and be the
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: dude on campus again. Like why just get that guaranteed stuff?
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: So I totally agree with you. That's a totally new
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: element that we have to deal with, which we'll see
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: what kind of the repercussions is as the years go
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: along with it.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: And now we add all of this and it comes
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: down to where I kind of started with this is
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: where in the world.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Is Shador Sanders going to wind up?
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Because he can't come back to the Browns after this season,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: unless he is lights out for the rest of the
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: year and makes himself look like a starter, which I
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: think is too much. I think it was too much
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: to ask a Dylan Gabriel. I think it was too
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: much to almost too much to ask Kenny Piggy at
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: this point, but it's, it's a lot to ask if
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: he doesn't do that. I think that something about that
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: relationship does feel not good, right? Like he clearly the,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: the staff does not seem invested in him in any
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: sort of way, which means he probably has to go
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: somewhere else to get this done.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: But, Who wants to sign up for this at this point?
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: The thing was, too, the draft when he fell. He fell,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I thought, to day two, which is where I thought
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: you would end up, actually, because of just some of
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: the stuff like, okay, this is what his talent is.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: And then it gets to a point, if you're a backup,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: if you're a development guy, usually it's out of sight,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: out of mind. You're just dealing with the scout team
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: and then the quarterback coach or the assistant quarterback coach.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: We work on some stuff day to day. And that's
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: it during the season. And that's another thing is people
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: are like, he didn't get reps with the ones he's
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: been hurt. He's hurt his hamstring. He's hurt. He sat
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: out of practices with a sore shoulder, always doing a
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: scout team. And he's hurt again, bring up the size stuff.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: But that's the thing too, is that you, there's not
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of reps to go around. And then also this,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the staff has to be like, all right, am I
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: going to waste my time and waste my stuff to
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: develop this? When anything that goes on, all of a
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: sudden there's so much noise about, Why is he fourth
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: in the individual line giving handoffs? So what you're saying
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: is like, these guys have to deal with so much
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: noise anyways. So I'm sure that they're like, a team's
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: looking at them like, well, I don't want to deal
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: with that. Like, you know, or I totally agree with you.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: That's because it feels like to me that this was
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: a regime pick on day three. I'm not the first
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: person to say that as far as the, I think,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: you know, the exact Andrew Barry, maybe the owners got involved.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: It does not feel like a coach's pick. And that's
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: the thing too. If that's how one coach's staff feels
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: like we're all, People in the league talk and people
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: in the league that are fighting for their jobs or
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: everything like that. It has to go to a very
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: safe place. Like you said, a starting quarterback that's already
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: locked in and a head coach that has time and
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: job security. But are the Rams going to go for that?
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: You know, are the, I'm just trying to just throw
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: out some other teams there, but like the Cowboys going
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to go, well, Jerry. But, but, you know, like some
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: of the teams, they have to have like real locked
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: in solidified because this is just such a wild variable.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: And the NFL teams do not like wild variables like that.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And I also think that observers, I think there are
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who observe the Shador stuff who
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: don't really do this.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: And that's not an insult to them, but he has
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of general audience interest.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: That's a great point.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of people need to understand,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: or even the people who are just general audience, even
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: sports fans who veer toward general audience, if you put
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it all on a spectrum or continuum, right? This league
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: is not about giving people chances. They give people jobs.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you can turn it into a chance. You can seize
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: an opportunity, but nobody owes you a chance per se, right?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And so the argument that Sanders has not been given
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: enough of a chance, that's the argument behind not practicing
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: with the ones.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: He's not even getting a chance. That's not what they
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: do there. That's not that. That's not that. This isn't.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: We're just giving everybody a chance to live out their dreams.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: They are not in the business of making dreams come true.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: That's not dreams come true here. But not because that's
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: what they're trying to accomplish. That's not it. So, no,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: they're not giving him a chance. They are giving Dylan
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Gabriel a chance, but not because they want to give
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel a chance.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: They think it's best for them. They're not doing a
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: favor to Dylan Gabriel.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: They're trying to, like, they're going to say, because if
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: it works, it's a feather in their cap. And that's
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: what it is. Like, they didn't go into the season
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: wanting Dylan Gabriel to play. the whole season. They had
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett on this roster for a reason.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't like the, the method to their madness. I
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: thought they should have just draped for Tanner McKee and
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: just get through all this bullshit and be, be done
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: with it. But that, no, you're absolutely right. That's, it's
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: a meritocracy and so much more, way more than people realize. Like, yes,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: there is nepotism. Yes, people get chances and get jobs
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But as far as playing, because
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the film doesn't lie. So if you're just going like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: oh no, we got to get this shot. People in
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: the locker room are going to go like, all right,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get another concussion and run over the
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: middle for this shit. Like that, that's not how it works.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Like it works. Like who's going to, all right, who's
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the guy next to me that's going to get me
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: paid and win me football games. All right. If he's
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: going to do that, then I'll do whatever. I'll run
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: through a brick wall for him. But if we're just
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: doing this ideas and fun stuff, it doesn't work like that.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And just like you said, the rep stuff, during the season,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: there's a finite amount of reps that can go around
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: because you're installing to win that game that week. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: it's not just like training camp, which is still limited reps,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: but it's like at least we can parse up these
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: practice reps to get these plays going. They're trying to
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: game plan for this week and win this game because
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of guys who have their jobs on
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: the line, not just coaches, players as well. So like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: that's what the whole thing is too. It's like, yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: we want the dreams and we're like, oh, why isn't
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: he a reps with the ones? Cause that's not how
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: it works. The ones get the reps. There's the famous line, right?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: About Tom Moore.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Tom Moore. Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: We don't, that's so true.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: For people who don't know the lie, the line is
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning takes all the practice snaps, which is in
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: part because Peyton Manning is a control freak maniac.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: But the other part was Tom Moore's argument was if,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: if we have to go to the backup, we're fucked
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and we don't practice fucked.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: And it's so true. Oh, How about this? Another time,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Russell Wilson.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: He transfers to Wisconsin. Paul Chris, offense coordinator, and even Bielma,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: the head coach, they ran it very pro-style. How our
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: practice week was, was very pro-style structured as far as reps,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: as far as like how, you know, situations and everything.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Makes sense. That's what we had to do at Wisconsin
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: to win games. So Russ gets there. I'm the backup.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: All right. So we're getting these, we're going through the
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: first game script, you know, going through all this stuff.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: And then he kind of looks and he goes, am
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I taking all these? I'm like, yep. I'm like, I
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: get three plays. I get three. That's all I got.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I would get three plays. Like, and there's just one
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: little series. Okay. These are the three plays in case
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: we are fucked. Cause Russell's hurt. And then Nate has
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: to go in there. All right. These are the three
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: plays that we go with. And then that Paul, Chris
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: had explained to him, like, well, we're trying to teach,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: you know, this, this, what we did at, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: San Diego charters, whatever, this is how I know it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: And so Russ was like in groomed for the NFL,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: because that's how we practice. We practice like an NFL
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: team in ways that, but that was one of the
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: ways we did it was no, the one gets all
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the reps. He gets all the reps and walkthrough. He
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: gets all the reps from seven on seven. He gets
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: all the reps and team because that's the starter and
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: we're developing the starter right now. So, and one, because
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: one time he complained to his, he was like, man,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I just threw like 110 balls. I'm like, you still
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: got like 30 more because, because that's how we're, but
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: that's what take being a one is you take all
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the reps. That's how it kind of goes. So yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Also don't forget that he had spent two, three years
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: with a, giraffe over his shoulder that the coach absolutely
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: wanted to take his job Glennon at all possible oh my.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: God you had to be there man like it is
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: A fast because he was not Tom O'Brien's guy Glennon
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was the guy that he brought in and the whole
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that first.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Year when Russ was all right we're just holding.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: This down until Glennon gets the job and then little
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: did they know that they had an NFL quarterback and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: so and but there was never a day that Tom
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: O'Brien did not wish that Mike Glennon would be the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: quarterback we'll switch gears right fast before we go into
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: break but The Chiefs are playing for their season this week.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? I keep saying that except
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: all that in the hunt. There's still only one game
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: out of making the playoffs, and it still feels like
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: they're better than all the other in the hunt teams.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And C.J.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Stroud apparently suffered a serious concussion because he still isn't back,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and they stay in that in the hunt graphic. However,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: they play against the Colts this week, and they got
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: to get this one done.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're favored against the Colts this week.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: They got it at home.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: They're at home, but it's even, even more than the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: home spread. They gave him a point.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Vegas did.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: And I did a show with shield Kapadia on the
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: ringer this week. And he mentioned to me that betting markets,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: at least, which is just one thing to look at.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Betting markets have the chiefs favored over every single NFL team.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: If they played on a neutral field this week. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: even the Rams who I think are the best team
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: right now, the chiefs would be favored on a neutral field.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Like say if the super bowl happened this week. And
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: when I looked at like the NFL, So I agree
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: with you. Must win. Because I think the New York
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Times and everything had them at like 55% to make
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, which feels about right. And they have a
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: decently hard schedule. But looking at them and looking at
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the AFC, they're not as flawed as the other AFC
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: teams are. It's not the best version of the Chiefs
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: team we've seen with Mahomes. I think that's pretty obvious.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: That's why they're 5-5. But I think that also they're
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: not outright bad in any area. Their run game is
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: actually pretty solid. They don't get explosives, but it's solid.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: It's above high rushing success rate, all that stuff. Mahomes
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: is Mahomes. The O-line is actually good. I think that's
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: kind of been an underrated thing. Those young guys are working.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I know Simmons missed some time, but even in the backup,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Moore that they signed was good. Kingsley Suamati, the left guard,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: is really good. And then the defense, Spaggs always kind
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: of goes on an uptick. After the bye week. Andy
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Reid and Spag's teams always have like– they really figure–
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: they just had their bye week and they lost actually
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: with the Broncos game. But they always kind of figure
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: their shit out as the season goes along. And so
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that's why I've kind of stayed– I wouldn't say bullish
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: all the way with them, but still like I think
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: they'll figure this out. They'll be like a seven seed.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And then it's dangerous because I think they're just fine
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: to good in every area. Like every stat I look at–
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I don't want to bore you with every freaking acronym
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: soup that I'll throw at you, but– They're top five
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: in passing. They're 12th in rushing. They're top 12 on defense.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That, to me, is still a solid.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I think it's a dangerous team because now their backs
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: are against the wall, too. So maybe we'll see some
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: ideas popping from Reid and everything, too. So I'm not
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: totally out on them, even if it is a coin
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: flip for them to make the playoffs. I actually think
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: they're one of the better teams in the AFC in
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: a weird way.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like if they wind up at seven,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: they'll end up in the first round playing either against.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: The Broncos again.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Or the Patriots, or this team they play this week,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. My question with them is, did the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Steelers expose them?
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, the Colts?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: In ways.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Because I felt like they got beaten pretty thoroughly in
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: that game.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: They did.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And the Steelers are not that good.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: They did because it was in a way that you
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: always have that Daniel Jones pumpkin aspect. You never know
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: when he's going to turn into a pumpkin. He has
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: been way better than I've ever seen him in my life.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I think anyone can say that. But it's all been,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: they don't get a lot of third and longs because
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: the run game is freaking awesome. He's got a lot
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: of talent there. And all of a sudden, that game,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: the left tackle, Raymond, kept losing to, I think it
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: was Highsmith. He kept beating them. And that, to me,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: was interesting because it was the first game they had
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: to drop back. They couldn't do the play actions. They
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: couldn't do the RPOs. They couldn't do the training wheel
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: stuff to kind of keep them afloat. And they had
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: to drop back. And then Raymond kept getting beat, which
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: is scary. And also Dana Jones started kind of crapping
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: out a little bit. And so that to me is
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: always like they're game script dependent more than maybe other
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: really good teams. Meaning like if they get into a–
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: it's almost like a Shanahan team where it's like, okay,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: now we're losing now. Oh, God, we got to drop back.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we can do that. So I
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: think that's like– that's kind of how I feel about them.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: When they're rolling, they're in a neutral game script. Yeah,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: awesome offense. The run game is amazing. Jonathan Taylor has
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: been great. I really like the young receivers and everything.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: But I think just they always have that crap on them.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: And also their defense– I like the sauce move. It
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: was a little expensive, the sauce gardener trade, but their
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: defense is really gettable. And it's not, it's like the,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: it's like an average defense. Louisiana room was a good coordinator,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: but it's an average defense. So they have a really
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: hard schedule to end their year. I don't know if
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: you've checked it out, but I'm very curious how the
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Colts kind of end up this year because they have,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: they go chiefs, Texans, Jags aren't the best team, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: they're dangerous. um and actually would be in the playoffs
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: right now then seahawks 49ers then jags again and then
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: they end with the texans there's no gimmies for them
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: in the second half of the year which i think
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: i'm very curious to see how it kind of unfolds
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: don't think they're a good team but i think there
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: are some.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Flaws with them all right i'm going to tap into
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: maybe your wisconsin badger favoritism here with my hot take
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that you may have heard me offer before but i'm
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: gonna say it again um jonathan taylor is perhaps on
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: his way to his second 1,800-yard season, definitely on his
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: way to his third 1,400-yard season after running for 6,000
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: yards in three years in college. And I argue that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: he is quite possibly the most underrated football player ever.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Like 6,000 yards in college in three years used to
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: get you Wheaties box, and he is a great NFL
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: running back.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And he was running back like three in that draft too.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: He got drafted after Swift. I think he was four, actually.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: He got drafted after CEH, Swift. and maybe JK Dobbins.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if the chiefs had done that? Now, granted,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I know that he probably wasn't out there running a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: lot of routes with Wisconsin, but still.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: But, but can you imagine this? I mean, shoot right now,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: they get all those two high boxes. And so just
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: imagine him, his big ass, just flying through, especially with
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: this offensive line they have right now. Oh my God.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: They would just run all over people. He, that was
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: one of the craziest things to me. Cause that was
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: right when I was getting into media was that combine, um,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: They had over under 40 times posted that you could
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: bet on. I didn't. Related story, my new refrigerator in
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: the kitchen is because of this. But they posted his
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: over under at the 40, like 454. And it was like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: has anyone watched this guy once in Wisconsin? And he
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: also ran like a 10-400. in college at 230 pounds
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and that was like the easiest bet i've ever made
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: in my entire life all right betting the under on
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: his 40 and he went out and flew so i
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: am with you i think he's still an incredible guy
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: too like a really good interview really thoughtful guy um
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: i've gotten to talk to him a few times over
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: the years But, no, I'm with you. He's totally underrated.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Remember when he had to fight them for the money? Like,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy he still plays there. It was
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: not that long ago that he and Ursa, rest in peace,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: were really duking it out over this money. That's right.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I haven't gotten about that until right now.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. That's absolutely right. Yes, that's right. And
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: he's like a great teammate, hard worker, facing a franchise
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: as they go through another quarterback change. These are the
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: guys you're supposed to like kind of, you know, You
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: pay a little premium to keep these types of guys around. Oh, yeah,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the over-under was set at 4-5-1, and he ended up running.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 30:36
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• 30:38
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• 32:52
  Speaker 1: bit on this show, but not that much. But it's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: bearing discussion that Matt LaFleur is low-key coaching for his job.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And I make the argument that if you're coaching for
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: your job, you've already lost your job. Like, they got
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: him on a plan. He on the PIP, the Performance
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Improvement Plan. But you watch them, and it's one thing
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: when you see a team that is not as good
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: as you thought they were. It is another when you
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: feel like you are clearly watching a team that is underachieving.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And that is kind of how I feel, even though
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: their receiver situation is a little bit janky. But they
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: should be better than this, is what it feels like
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: at every turn.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: They are, I keep getting back to going back to
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: this line is that every time I watch them live,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you guys stink. I can't believe I was
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: optimistic about you guys. What was I thinking? And then
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I rewatch them on film and I'm always like, Oh,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: you're actually pretty good. You actually do a lot of
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: nice things. And so I have no idea how to
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: compute them, like how to analyze them. Like I keep
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: putting them at like, Eighth best team, seventh best, just
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: outside the contenders. But I'm going to keep my eye
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: on them. But I think the Tucker Kraft injury is
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: the one thing that's really damning more than most tight
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: end injuries because of what he generated for the offense.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I think LaFleur is a good coach. I don't think
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: he should be coaching for his job. I think people
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: in Green Bay are just very spoiled with their team.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: But I do think when I watch them, they have
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a fuck around and find out
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: flaw to them. where the Browns game might be the
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: best example, where they're playing. It's not not to lose.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: It's more just like, we're just not going to let
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: you have any big plays against us. So we're going
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to be very conservative on first and second down. I
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: think his second down play calling would be the biggest blemish.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: They just run it. And they have an interesting run game,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: and I like it. It's well-schemed and everything, but Josh
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Jacobs isn't the most explosive guy. He's hurt right now, too.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: But they just run it, run it, run it. They
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: get to a lot of third and shorts, third and threes,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: third and fours, and then Jordan Love converts. And then
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: they maybe get to a short yardage and they take
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: a shot play. So to me, that's fine and that's
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: all good, especially going against another good team. But when
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: you're going against a team that's inferior to yourselves, I
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: think Browns were one of those, the Panthers, when they
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: played the Panthers. Although our guy, Charles McDonald, predicted that upset.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: So I got to give him a little props on
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: that one too. But these types of things or those
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: types of games, those types of matchups, that's where the
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: frustration lies. It's like, hey, let it hang out sometimes.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: You've got a quarterback that's willing to do it. We've
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: watched him. He actually had a really good game during
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: love against the Giants, too. Underappreciated game. But I do
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: think there is some conservativeness with his play calling in
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: the weirdest way because it's so aggressive passing. But I
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: think running the ball, they're fine with those three, four-yard gains.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: And that's a little archaic line of thinking. I understand
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: why they do it, but it's very 1997-ish. kind of
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: football thinking as opposed to maybe 2025, which is interesting
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: to me. But I don't think he should be on
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: the hot seat. I still think they're actually a pretty
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: good team.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: What do you think Flores is going to have for
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: these boys? They're playing against the Vikings this week.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think they have to worry because McCarthy's
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: starting at quarterback for the Vikings.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I said specifically Flores. I'm just very
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: curious what Flores is going to throw out there.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: When they play in the past, when it's been like
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Love and LaFleur against Flores, it's haymakers on both sides.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: So you're going to see some crazy shit from Flores, blitz-wise,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: because they're trying to make Love... They're trying to make everything...
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: It's going to be... Both sides want it to be
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: boom-bust in these matchups where it's like, yeah, we're going
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: to take a sack. Yeah, we're going to get pressured.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: We're going to let a guy unblock. But... I'm paying that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Here we go. Like you're going to see love throwing
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: some stuff. So I think it's fun because it's, those
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: are two sides are going to just throw haymakers against
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: each other. But he'll have some stuff. I'm the Vikings
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: run defense. Isn't great as well. And so I think
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: maybe even the Packers with some banged up guys can
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: still maybe jab them a little bit, which you have
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: to do against the Vikings, but those two sides, it's
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: going to be haymaker city way, way to see some
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: of the points to say they bring in what, what
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: the little four is going to probably try and dial
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: up a love. So yeah, it might be like a,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Two touchdown, one pick from Love, but some big highlight plays.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Are you down on McCarthy with some optimism, or are
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you just confused by the totality?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I'm down, down. I'm kind of out, down. I was
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: never huge on him going into that draft class. Another
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: guy I consider day two. And when watching him, again,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: this is my argument of like, all right, this guy's
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: a project. This guy needs reps. All right, what are
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you building to? Kirk cousins, you know, like, what are
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: you building? Like you're, you're doing all this work to
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: get to the 14th best starter, the 16th best starter.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: And when I watched him though, or watching them this year, it's, Oh, wow.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: He's like, not only just a project that he needs
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: reps in the games, he needs reps in practice because
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of his mechanical issues, he struggles
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: throwing to his left, which is a classic young quarterback thing.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: But most quarterbacks we see in the NFL have kind
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: of solved that. That's why it's interesting always to see
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: this is that, he's an overstrider and what happens when
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: guys are overstriding, there's so much that happens with young
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks and their footwork watching with him is everything's a
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: step late. Everything is, he has to hitch one extra
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: time to see it. He has to see something. So
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you see the guy already breaking on his route. Oh,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: he's open. I'm going to throw it. He has a
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: good arm strength, but he actually, the thing is, is
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: he's doing a lot where, okay, okay. I'm waiting until
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: he's open. He's open. I'm late.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I'm late.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: I'm late. All right. I'm going to throw this as
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: hard as I can because I know I'm late and
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I have to squeeze this in the window. That's already
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: scary to me because you don't want to ever see that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: You want to see the guy anticipate and throw it early.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: And if you just throw something right now, if you
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: throw it soft and easy, you're so much more accurate
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: than whipping it in there. And so watching that, that
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: means to me that he's mentally behind. I see a
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: lot of cadence issues happen as far as how many
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: false starts they have, which tells me some stuff too.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Just reading the context clues. I think he's just pushing
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: outside the numbers. He's just so inaccurate right now. And
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: now you're seeing the frustrations happen with all the rest
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: of the players.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: They joined Jefferson to see the A.J. Browse, though.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. No one would ever guess Justin Jefferson would
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: ever reach that point. He's like the all-time teammate. He's
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: willing to block. He's willing to do all this gritty stuff.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And now he's even throwing his hands. And he's trying
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: to save himself. He's about to freak out. And he
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: stops right before he's about to freak out. But it's like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: they see it. This is what we were talking about
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: with Schroeder. They see it every day in practice. We
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: just see the games. So they know.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: The three best receivers in the league right now might
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: be Justin Jefferson. I think I called him Jordan Jefferson
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: again because I'm old and old people do things like that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, and A.J. Brown. And they're all in...
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: some form of jail.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jamar Chase right now is in actual football
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: jail as he is suspended. I tried to ask the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: question as to like, is there any argument that he didn't?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: It's him saying I did not spit on him.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: He appealed it.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean to. I didn't do it at all. Like,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that's just a lie, dog.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I love that he appealed it. I love that. I
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: think that's so funny. Like, yeah, I know I'm on camera. No,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to fight this. I was going to say,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: you were mentioning all those receivers. They're all in a
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: different circle of hell, of receiver hell. Like, they all are. Like,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson is probably the seventh circle of receiver hell.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: But they're all different levels of hell right now, circles
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: of hell right now.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: So do the Cowboys have any chance to win against
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the Eagles on Sunday?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: And I think the reason that I even throw it out.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Here as a possibility is that it's like the Eagles
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: aren't even trying to actually score points. But the Cowboys
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: and the Make-A-Wish Foundation defense kind of make it impossible
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: for you not to.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Make-A-Wish Foundation defense.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Make dreams come true.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Well, also, they always have that in the end zone, right?
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: For Thanksgiving.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: That's the Salvation Army.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Salvation Army. Oh, thank you.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I need to adapt this. You're right. I need to
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: adapt this.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: That's right. Sorry. That was good. No, I do think
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: that the Eagles defense is really the story of them
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: right now. The offense, for me, I almost get tired
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: of talking about because it's one of these things where
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: it's like, this is what it is. This is how
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts plays. These are the routes he prefers. The
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: run game is worse, and that's why it feels worse
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: with that team right now. But I think the Cowboys'
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: offense is awesome. It's awesome.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, George Pickens is your number two receiver.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: That's fun. It might be a top. And also, even
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: when they traded for him, I was optimistic about it
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: because I was like, this is the type of guy
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: that Dak likes. He likes a true X. He had
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Michael Gallup for a while. And this is a better
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: version of Michael Gallup.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: When you say that, when you say a true X,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: what do you mean?
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: So like they could be the isolated receiver. So an
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: X is the ISO guy.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: That's the one that lines up on the line of scrimmage.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: So he's not going to move.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And that matters because then your route tree becomes
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: a little more vertical. And so when you're isolated, that
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: means you truly have to win one-on-ones. And I always
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: put it this way. The X's route tree is like
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: a plane, you know, very vertical, straight. If you're in
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: the slot or you're off the ball, it's like a helicopter.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: then you can move in every single direction and go
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: every such way. But most Xs now get moved around.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: So being an X archetype is one of the hardest
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: things to find. That's why I was super high on
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Teterow and McMillan with the Panthers because I think he
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: could be a true X, which he has been. But no,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: it's a very, very hard archetype to find. Moss is,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: of course, the best one ever. But you have to
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: win vertically on go routes. You have to win on
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: stop routes, which means like boxing out a guy and
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: winning at the catch point on a contested catch. You
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: have to win on slants. Those are kind of the
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: three common routes. And guess what George Pickens is really
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: good at? Goes, stops, and slants. Guess what Dak Prescott
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: loves to throw? Goes, stops, and slants. So it's just
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: like just that archetype. But also with who else is
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: on the roster, CeeDee Lamb is best as a power slot,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: as I like to call him. He's a Z. An
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: X is a split end on the ball end. A
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Z is a flanker. Move around. He's the flanker. He
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: moves around. That's where CeeDee is unlocked. He can do
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: X stuff. They've experimented with it. But now you've got
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: George Pickens, dominant X, CeeDee Lamb, one of the best
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: power slots in the entire league. It's just like, I
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: hate using the word, but it works perfectly. Synergy between
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: everyone is perfect. And then Jake Ferguson is like the
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: perfect tight end for those two guys too. And then
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: their line's good. They drafted. They signed Clayton Adams to
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: be their offensive coordinator and run game coordinator. And he's awesome.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Probably going to be a head coach down the road.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: But he's been one of my favorite assistant coaches. Their
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: run game is really creative and really just sound. And
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: he's developed all these young guys. They're all taking a
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: step forward this year where they've been healthy. So I
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: love where their offense is going. I had to take
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: yesterday that they're primed for 2026 because I also think
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Quinton Williams has somehow gotten underrated. he's the trade happened
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: and i was like i understand jerry ha ha ha
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: lols jerry but it's like quinn and williams is like
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: a top 10 defender in the nfl i don't i
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: don't think indy got him in his prime on like
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: a nice contract so they're actually set up okay for
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: next year because i just think this offense is so
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: freaking awesome.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah i think they're going to regret that money they
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: give george pickens once best behavior is no longer required
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to get this bread like that.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: We saw this weekend One game in Vegas, all of
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: a sudden I have to miss the first series.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: But the Steelers took a step down by going with
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: DK Metcalf over going with George Pickens. And granted, that
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: tells you how frustrated they had to have been in
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: dealing with it. The point I always make about Pickens is,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Pickens is from Hoover, Alabama, and Nick Saban did not
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: offer him a scholarship.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't know. There's something to that. They were like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: we don't have to do this. They made that call. But, no,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: that game is going to be interesting to watch.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And the night game is the Baker Mayfield Bowl, former
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Ram, Baker Mayfield, though it was only for
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a brief moment he was there. But they get Tampa Bay,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: and Tampa Bay seems to be pretty good if you're not.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: If you are, they look like they're going to lose.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Yep. They're the Aaron Continental champ. You know, they're the
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: best in the upper mid-card.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: That's the honky-tonk man. That's the honky-tonk man. Okay.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what they are no yeah that's that chris
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: jericho i feel like he always had the ic belt
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: no yeah they're the best of the kind of the
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: middle tier the mid card uh that's kind of how
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: i feel about the bucks um no i i i
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: think the rams are the best team right now uh
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: i think offense defense i think chris shula has done
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: a good job on defense it's been more real than
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: smoke and mirrors on that defense than i thought with
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: the rams the bucks is just they've just everybody's hurt
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: all the time they're getting healthier but it's just like
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: it's just so hard to like depend on them what
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: you're going to get that week especially more on offense
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and I think their defense is good against the run
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Vita Vale all that stuff Todd Bowles is funky but
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: they're gettable I mean we just saw what the Bills
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: could do to them like you can still find ways
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to get them that it's always a thing with Bowles
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: he'll overwhelm you if you're not prepped but if you
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: are prepped you can kind of find ways so but
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the Bucks are like a good team but it's like
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I struggle to kind of just anoint them as a
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: next step team, you know, because it's just what they've
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: shown this year and just the receiver injuries they've had
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: to deal with and the old line injuries, but they're
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: getting healthier now.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I can't remember where you were on this topic,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: but where you was vindication washing over you like it
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: washed over me while Sam Darnold was throwing all those interceptions.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: A little.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I've been accused of being a Sam Darnold oligarch by
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: my other co-host Matt Harmon because he says me and
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Mina Kimes. We're the only ones that still had Sam
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Darnold stock.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: What did she call it? You're a Sampathizer?
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, is that what she said?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: She said that years ago, yes, about the Sampathizer.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I am, but I know what he is now. I
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: think that's the thing is you always got to be
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: scared of, again, like I said with Daniel Jones, the
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: pumpkin factor, where it's just like at any time pressure
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: gets to him. And that's the thing so far this year.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: He hasn't been scrambling as much. He hasn't been getting
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: sacked as much. And that, to me, was because he
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: was operating the offense on time. He wasn't having his
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: spiral moments. And you just got to keep Sam from spiraling.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: But that was the thing. We watched against the Rams,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: who have an awesome pass rush. Got a little pressure.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Had to move in the pocket and then throw up there.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: I think the Seahawks are still really good. I really
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: do because their defense is so good and JSN's awesome.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, they almost won that game with Sam Darnold
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: throwing four interceptions.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: They had better underlying stats. If they threw one less pick,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: just throw three picks. You can't have four, but if
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: you just throw three picks. But the Seahawks are really good.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: The Seahawks, to me, are a top five team still.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: I still think of them as a contender. I really do.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: They have number one DVOA, all that stuff. But I
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: do think that is one of those where you always
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: have to be wary of that, and especially in the NFC.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: And you look at when it comes to playoff time,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: who are the teams they have to go against? Maybe
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: the Rams. Maybe the Lions, who have a pass rush.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe the Eagles, who have a pass rush. The Bucs,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: who can blitz you and do some funky stuff. And
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: they lost to the Bucs, even though they put up points.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: So that's the thing. They're matchup dependent based on the
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: pass rush. But if you don't have a pass rush,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: they're going to torch you. And so it's kind of
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: a nice way of playing both sides with Sam Darnold
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: right there. Because that's how I kind of feel with it.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: So Mina and I talked about this with Dan Campbell,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: where Dan Campbell kind of ran that okie-dokie.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: He took over play calling against Washington's defense, which is awful.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: And then I thought he called a poor game against
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the Eagles last week.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But now he gets another opportunity to play a bad team.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: He's going to be calling plays at home against the Giants.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: He knows what he's doing.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I get the argument of I want to
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: show this guy what it is that I want. But
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the irony of Dan Campbell is, boy, he sure does
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: get a little too cute out here. Right.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: He actually is like meathead, what everyone thinks of him,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: even though he has shown that he's very smart and everything.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a few too many cute– I couldn't believe–
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I've thought about this all week. That third and goal
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: from the five and they ran out of the gun.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I was just like, what are you doing right now?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: It's not a short– well, and also that gets into
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: the Jared Goff outdoors. I mean, that's a real thing.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Some things can be jokes, ha-ha, but that is a
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: real thing with him. Two gloves, Jared Goff. If you notice,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: you can tell a lot by how a guy misses.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: like McCarthy misses high, you know, but every Jared Goff
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: miss was a, a two seam sinker into the ground.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: And that to me was someone that was just, again,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: that was just trying to like, okay, I got to
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: throw this. Oh, and he's just digging into the ground.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: A great two pitch with two strikes, but not trying
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: to throw a ball over the middle. But I'm with
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: you that Dan Campbell timed this up. But I also thought,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: you know, I had some worries about Morton taking over
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: play calling this year because they're, Again, when you're narratively scouting,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: like you just said with Saban and Pickens, this guy's
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: been an assistant for some good coaches for a long time,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: and he never really got a shot to call plays.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: He did once for a really bad Jets team.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Woo, woo, woo.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: You know, that's some alarms. I don't know John Morton
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: at all, but I'm just like, I'm keeping my eye
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: on that. And then he benches him, and I'm like, yep, yep,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I knew it. And he wasn't with the system, all
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: that stuff. I actually think with the Lions, Kelvin Shepard's
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: doing an awesome job. I am fired. I love the
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Lions defense. They play, everyone's talking about the dying personnel
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: stuff like what the Rams are doing. The Lions play base,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: so just they're 4-3. Four defensive linemen, three linebackers, like
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: every play. And I love that. They just say, we're
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: going to be big and just beat the shit.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Out of you. We're going to hurt people.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: That's what they do. They're the hurt syndicate. They just
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: beat the shit out of you. It's awesome. It's great.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I love it. Their defensive line is so big. They
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: got the Aiden Hutchinson, the speedy pass rusher. But then it's,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, shoot, DJ Reader, Tyreek Williams, Roy Lopez. They
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: got like beef. Jack Campbell's playing great. They got like
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Alex Anzalone, Barnes. And then Brian Branch is their safety,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: and he's a heavy hitter too. It's like, I don't know.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: I think Shepard, especially what he showed early in the season,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: because I thought it was kind of basic, and what
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: he's gotten to, I've been really a big fan of
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: what the Lions defense is doing, because it's just so
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: against type of what's going on in the league, where
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: everyone's getting smaller and faster. And they're like, nope, we're
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: just going to get big and just punch you in
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: the face every play. Watch them on the tush pushes.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: They're smoking the Eagles tush pushes. It was awesome.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: When is Lopez going to get him a Modelo commercial?
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I was not aware.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: When I looked that up, I'm like, oh, you'll be
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: in a Modelo commercial very soon, son.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: The standard for Mexicans to get in.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: The Modelo commercial is simply be a Mexican.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: For the black people in the Modelo commercials.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Like Tony Gonzalez, who is also Latino, don't get me wrong,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: but also he had to be a hall of favor.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: He's sitting in the commercials next to Roberto Garza. Anderson.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Paak got to be Anderson. Paak to get in the commercial.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: It's a woman that used to be 5-0 who a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: DJ now. She get to be in a Modelo commercial.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Roy Lopez, they must not know you out here, partner.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: You need to send them your paperwork.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Didn't they have one for like a Modelo commercial for
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: like an MMA fighter that like lost a title fight once?
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: And that was it? I think so. Yeah, you get
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: a commercial.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: You get one too.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Not everybody got the same standards to get on with Modelo.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: But Roy Lopez. It's a paper out here for you,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: big dog.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: He should, man. He was like one of my little
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: nerd favorites the last couple of years with the Cardinals.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: I was one of the three people in the world
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: that watched the Cardinals defense the last couple of years.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: And then he goes, he's a free agent this year
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: and he gets like a little cheap deal with the Lions.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I'm like, pay this guy. And he's been great for him.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: So I know I'm with you. He needs to be
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: getting some uptake with marketing because I think he's just
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: a good player overall.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: And we will end the show in a way I
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: didn't expect, talking about Roy Lopez, who I did not
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: know existed until very recently. And he plays for my
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: favorite team. But that is Nate Tice. Check him out.
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• 52:49
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• 52:51
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