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DEATH BY INSULIN PRICK? Did hospital nurse murder healthy hubby with one Jab? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A local private eye, very well known in his community,
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  Speaker 1: found dead in his own home. A four year old
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  Speaker 1: little girl left behind. Shocking details now surfacing in the
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  Speaker 1: case of a hunt's full PI private investigator found dead
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  Speaker 1: Jim Cappello Junior, just thirty seven years old. He died
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  Speaker 1: of seemingly natural causes, just thirty seven years old. He's
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  Speaker 1: a healthy young man. He was panicky, real, panicky, anxious.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't get his words together. I tried calling him
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  Speaker 1: twice that day, on two separate occasions, and he didn't answer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I see Grace. This is Crime Stories Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, Jim Capello's senior, and Jim's sister, Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: We're driving to Huntsville from out of state to lead
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  Speaker 1: a search team to find Jim. Jim's wife posted on
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  Speaker 1: Facebook that she had last spoken to him Thursday morning.
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  Speaker 1: She asked for help looking for him Friday. Jim's sister
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  Speaker 1: spoke to him late Wednesday night, eleven o'clock. I had
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  Speaker 1: my way to work, on my way to the car,
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  Speaker 1: answered and he was panicky, real, panicky, anxious. He couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get his words together. I TechEd Nicky and asked her
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  Speaker 1: how his night was, she said. At one point he
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  Speaker 1: woke up freezing and she warmed him up. But after
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  Speaker 1: that he slept well and he's doing well this morning.
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  Speaker 1: I tried calling him twice that day, on two separate occasions,
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't answer. Jamie is a nurse, and she
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  Speaker 1: knew that her baby brother was suddenly and mysteriously very
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  Speaker 1: ill and he needed to get to the hospital. It
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  Speaker 1: was unusual, unexpected, and his symptoms were extreme. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: What symptoms? Why are they called extreme? I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at WAF forty eight. That
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  Speaker 1: was Liz Hurley joining me right Now an all star panel,
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta veteran prosecutor, Kenya Johnson, Karen Smith, forensics expert, founder
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  Speaker 1: Bare Bones Consulting, renowned psychologist out of Manhattan, doctor Karen Stark.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective and author of How to Catch a
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  Speaker 1: Liar and joining me right Now. Journalist out of Huntsville, Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: Rachel Hammers and renowned medical examiner out of Bay County, Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Author of America Narcan on Amazon. Doctor William Maroney, I
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  Speaker 1: need you now, more than ever Maroney. Rachel hammers with
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  Speaker 1: me from Huntsville, Alabama. An less Rachel, what exactly were
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  Speaker 1: Jim cappello juniors symptoms? Just thirty seven years old, He's
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  Speaker 1: a healthy young man well and according to family, the
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  Speaker 1: only issue that he had medically was high cholesterol. So
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  Speaker 1: when his sister spoke to him the night before he
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  Speaker 1: passed away, who said he was shivering cold, he could
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  Speaker 1: not make sense, he was very he couldn't get his
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  Speaker 1: words together. And from everything I've read, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: your doctor will weigh in on this, but everything I've
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  Speaker 1: read that you know, it was pretty classic symptoms of
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  Speaker 1: somebody who was suffering from an influent overdose. And his sister,
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  Speaker 1: being a nurse herself, had sumed the next morning, tried
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  Speaker 1: to get in pets with him a couple of times
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  Speaker 1: and could not. Ended up texting her sister in law,
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  Speaker 1: Nicki Cappello, to see how he was doing, and that
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  Speaker 1: clip stated that he had had a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: rough night, he'd warmed him up and he was doing
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  Speaker 1: much better the next morning. Well, wait a minute, I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand what was he diabetic by all indications? Now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't understand this, Doctor William Moroney, Deputy medical Examiner,
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  Speaker 1: Bay County, Michigan, author of America Narcan on Amazon. Why
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  Speaker 1: would he have the symptoms of insulin overdose? Let's just
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  Speaker 1: describe what were his symptoms, doctor Moroney, And how do
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  Speaker 1: you analyze them? Well, the most severe symptoms are going
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  Speaker 1: to be severe disorientation and coma seizures, nervousness, slurred speech,
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  Speaker 1: and just not thinking right. Mild symptoms will be dizziness, drowsiness, fatigue,
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  Speaker 1: and some depression. The thing that's really important, wait right there, wait,
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  Speaker 1: wait to Maroney. Moroni, we're not medical professionals. Okay, but
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  Speaker 1: did you just say dizziness, fatigue, and depression Because I
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  Speaker 1: had that this morning when I was cleaning out in
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  Speaker 1: the guinea pig kge. I was very depressed looking at
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  Speaker 1: all that poop. I thought I was going to fall over,
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  Speaker 1: and I felt fatigue because I had to travel back
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  Speaker 1: and forth to New York yesterday for work. Why does
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  Speaker 1: that mean insulin overdose because I get that every morning
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  Speaker 1: when I have cleaned the guinea pig cage. Well, guinea
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  Speaker 1: pig poop has nothing to do with it. But when
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  Speaker 1: you alter, when you change the level of sugar in
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  Speaker 1: the body, you'll lead to confusion, fatigue, and drowsiness. And
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  Speaker 1: that's because sugar is a fuel. Sugar is a fuel
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  Speaker 1: to the human body, and you take sugar out of
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  Speaker 1: the system when you have too much insulin, and then
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  Speaker 1: the body has no fuel, the brain has no fuel.
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  Speaker 1: Stop stop, stop, stop, doctor Moroni, I'm drinking out the
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  Speaker 1: fire hydrant here. Hold on, hold on what I'm just
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  Speaker 1: a JD. Okay, you're the m D. First, let's just
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  Speaker 1: break what is insulin? I know diabetics need it to live.
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  Speaker 1: I know if you're diabetic or your borderline diabetic, you
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  Speaker 1: have to watch every bit of sugar that you consume.
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  Speaker 1: I remember my dad was borderlined, I betting, and I
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  Speaker 1: discuss this with you shortly before he went to heaven.
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  Speaker 1: He would watch every gram of sugar like I had
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  Speaker 1: to buy him a certain kind of yogurt that I
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  Speaker 1: only had four grams of sugar, and I would scour
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  Speaker 1: the grocery store to try to find a yogurt for
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  Speaker 1: him that had the smallest amount of sugar in it.
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  Speaker 1: And but what is insulin exactly? Insulin is a protein
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  Speaker 1: and it's symbolically like a key. It unlocks all the
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  Speaker 1: cells in the body to absorb and metabolize sugar. And
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  Speaker 1: it's a balance. Your body's function is a balance of
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  Speaker 1: just the right amount of fuel sugar, too much, too
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  Speaker 1: or too little, and you have problems or a false
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  Speaker 1: amounts of high insulin. It will make sugar drop drop
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  Speaker 1: like a rock jock drop like out of a plane
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  Speaker 1: at sixty thousand feet. And without the sugar, the body
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  Speaker 1: begins to slow down, the brain begins to slow down,
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  Speaker 1: and even my mouth would begin to slow down. It's
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  Speaker 1: a whole and that's why you become drowsy, that's why
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  Speaker 1: you become sleep promise, and that's why you could end
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  Speaker 1: up in a coma. So those are the things. Oh
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  Speaker 1: and I'm the eighteenth I go from deputy medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: to chief medical examiner. Just wanted to put that in there.
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  Speaker 1: When I take full I take full credit for that,
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for bringing it up. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to this guy. Un Phil police continue to piece together
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  Speaker 1: what appears to be a murder mystery. Tonight, a husband, father,
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  Speaker 1: and business owner is dead. The victim is private investigator
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  Speaker 1: Jim Cappello, and today his sister and his father sat
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  Speaker 1: down with me to tell me all about Jim's life
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  Speaker 1: and Jim's death. It doesn't make any sense. You can't
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  Speaker 1: make sense of it. It's horrific, it's disgusting. Jim Capello
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  Speaker 1: Senior and Jim's Jamie, we're driving to Huntsville from out
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  Speaker 1: of state to lead a search team to find Jim.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're planning his funeral. Jim's wife posted on Facebook
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  Speaker 1: that she had last spoken to him Thursday morning. She
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  Speaker 1: asked for help looking for him Friday. Jim was found
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  Speaker 1: dead in their family home in South Huntsville Saturday. Both
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  Speaker 1: Jamie and Jim Senior say Jim had no medical conditions
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  Speaker 1: other than high cholesterol, so his death is an utter shock.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends WAFF forty eight. That's the reporter
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  Speaker 1: Liz hurling back to Rachel Hammer's joining me journalists out
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  Speaker 1: of Huntsville, Alabama, that I've got a problem. What did
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  Speaker 1: the wife travel? Because she's posting on Thursday that she
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  Speaker 1: had not seen him, but then his dead body is
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  Speaker 1: found by other members of his family on Friday morning,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe he was gone and he came back and died.
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  Speaker 1: Where was she on Friday morning? That's my first question. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not quite clear where she was. But what I
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  Speaker 1: find really interesting is that has said the sister talked
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  Speaker 1: to him about eleven o'clock the night before den whatever
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  Speaker 1: transpired throughout the night. You know, in Alabama in September,
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  Speaker 1: we're still rather warm here, and when he did not
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  Speaker 1: show up for work, co workers got suspicious. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I just said that the family found him. Actually they
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  Speaker 1: were going to look for him, the dad and the
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  Speaker 1: sister when they were notified that he was dead. Rachel Hammers,
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  Speaker 1: who found Jim Cappello Junior, just thirty seven years old.
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  Speaker 1: Dad who found his body did ah, so the police
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  Speaker 1: wi go to his home for a welfare check. The
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  Speaker 1: police went to his home when they received a phone
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  Speaker 1: call of concerns from a friend of Mickey Capello. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that concerns me right there that she had not called police.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you, if David, my husband, who comes
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  Speaker 1: home at least I think he does, I better check
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  Speaker 1: that track or I've got on his own as But
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  Speaker 1: if he didn't come home on time or generally like
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  Speaker 1: within a two or three hour period of when he's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to get home, I would absolutely call nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: I call his office. I'd go to his office. I'd
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  Speaker 1: travel the track between home and his office and where
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  Speaker 1: he may go, the grocery store, the laundry, to this,
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  Speaker 1: to that, and then I would call police immediately. So
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  Speaker 1: that's my first problem right there. But I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if she's a nurse. She may be a traveling nurse.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she had an overnight shift to the hospital. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that. But I would have
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  Speaker 1: a problem with David being four or five hours late
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  Speaker 1: coming home. Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor joining me right there.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big problem that nobody seemed to notice he
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  Speaker 1: hadn't come home. Well. When the police begin an investigation,
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  Speaker 1: they look at the people closest to the person, that
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  Speaker 1: of the injured party or whomever they're looking for, and
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  Speaker 1: so automatically you want to see who in his family
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  Speaker 1: has reported him mincing, has anybody said anything suspicious. They'll
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  Speaker 1: begin their investigation with those closest to him, and how
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  Speaker 1: those closest to him, how they act, will definitely be
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  Speaker 1: under the scrutiny of police as they begin to develop
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  Speaker 1: a chain of events surrounding the person's discipline. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friend Liz Hurley w a f F
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  Speaker 1: forty eight. You know, nobody wants to lose your children first,
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  Speaker 1: especially to something like this. It feels like the nothing
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  Speaker 1: else matters, the world is just coming crashing down. Answers
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  Speaker 1: are few right now, but an autopsy will clear up
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  Speaker 1: how he died. For today, though, they want to remember
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  Speaker 1: how Jim lived. He loved his job, he loved his cars,
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  Speaker 1: he loved Riley. Riley is Jim and Nikki's four year
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  Speaker 1: old daughter. He worshiped Riley, and right now we're unsure
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  Speaker 1: exactly what she's been told about her apparent situation. Jim's
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  Speaker 1: dad and Jim's sister are working with medical professionals to
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  Speaker 1: find the right words. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Here's
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  Speaker 1: another wrinkle to this scenario. This guy, Jim Cappello Junior,
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  Speaker 1: just thirty seven years old, is a well known private investigator,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what that means. That means he's all
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  Speaker 1: up in other people's business. Karen Smith, What about it,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith? When you are in this line of business
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  Speaker 1: and you're investigating other people's affairs and their drug use
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  Speaker 1: and why they got fired and telling them, bad things
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  Speaker 1: can happen to you you got that right. It means
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people have a lot of motives.
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  Speaker 1: It means that there's a whole wide net of people
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  Speaker 1: who may have had a problem with Jim Capello. People
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  Speaker 1: who you know, if you found out you had an affair,
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  Speaker 1: and you're the one that busted this person, well, that
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  Speaker 1: gives that person a motive to want you not around anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So you're dealing with people, money, sex, power, the trifecta
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  Speaker 1: of motives here, with a whole wide net of people
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  Speaker 1: that he's been working with. So police may have had
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  Speaker 1: to cast their net a little bit wider than the spouse.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now. Detective and author of How to
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  Speaker 1: Catch a Liar, Stephen Lampley, Steven, I'm sure you've telled
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  Speaker 1: your fair share of cheating husbands and wives. One of
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  Speaker 1: my very dear friends is a defense lawyer, believer or not,
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  Speaker 1: and she has told me countless times, I'd rather try
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  Speaker 1: a dope lord than handle a divorce because those people
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  Speaker 1: will shoot you. They will shoot you. And she's right,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley. This guy's a private eye, Jim Capella Junior,
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  Speaker 1: and he's investigating and telling all sorts of people in
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  Speaker 1: his community people he knows. They don't like that. Steve Lampley, explain, no, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: they don't. Any nobody likes to be caught doing bad.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody does, and police are very much aware of that
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  Speaker 1: as our private investigators. After I retired from the police department,
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  Speaker 1: at the insistence of my best friend who's an attorney,
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  Speaker 1: I also started doing the I work and I emphasized
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  Speaker 1: child custody in domestic infidelity. People don't like to be caught,
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  Speaker 1: and they will You're right in especially in domestic instances.
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  Speaker 1: As a police officer or even as a PI, they
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  Speaker 1: will turn on you in a heartbeat. But but to you,
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  Speaker 1: doctor William Maroney, guy's a longtime friend and colleagues. Soon
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  Speaker 1: to be chief medical Examiner. I take full credit for
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  Speaker 1: that in Bay County, Michigan, author of American Narcan, which
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  Speaker 1: is awesome on Amazon, Doctor Moroney, Though, as much as
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about that, people don't like to be caught
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  Speaker 1: in their affairs and their dirty dealings and their blackmails
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  Speaker 1: and their embezzlement. He died of seemingly natural causes. Explain
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  Speaker 1: what his death would have looked like. In many cases,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these deaths begin to look alike. If
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  Speaker 1: somebody has no bleeding, no trauma, no bruises. From the outside,
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  Speaker 1: it looks totally natural. It could have been a stroke,
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  Speaker 1: it could have been a heart attack. There's no sharp
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  Speaker 1: force injuries, there's no blunt force injuries, there's no gunshot wounds.
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  Speaker 1: It looks normal. And if it was related to insulin,
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  Speaker 1: insulin kind of looks like drug overdose two. If you
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  Speaker 1: see it happening, it's the drowsiness, it's the sleepiness, it's restlessness,
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  Speaker 1: it's slurred speech. It all looks the same. But when
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  Speaker 1: you look at the body, there's nothing there that gives
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  Speaker 1: it away. Do you have to do testing an autopsy?
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  Speaker 1: And the hard part about this insulins a natural substance.
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  Speaker 1: It's different if I inject you with heroin and fentanyl,
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  Speaker 1: they will find heroin in fentyl your blood and your
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  Speaker 1: blood never has heroin infentanyl. But insulin is a natural
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  Speaker 1: product in the body. So they're looking at something that
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  Speaker 1: it may have been an insulin overdose. But all of
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  Speaker 1: us on this television show, radio show, web show, we
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  Speaker 1: all have insulin. So then you addampt to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: it is it too much? Is it not enough? So
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  Speaker 1: it's very difficult. It looks natural from the outside and
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  Speaker 1: the chemical analysis is extremely difficult. Well let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you this, doctor William Moroney, how many times have you,
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  Speaker 1: of course you've done thousands and thousands of autopsies, how
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  Speaker 1: many times have you seen body they're on the slab
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  Speaker 1: to autopsy and you look at it and you do
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  Speaker 1: a physical examination and you don't see anything. It happens
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  Speaker 1: and it's very bewildering. And that's why we have natural
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  Speaker 1: as a cause of death, five five manners of death
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  Speaker 1: that we have to choose from on every death certificate
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  Speaker 1: in America, and somebody natural is the number one most cause.
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  Speaker 1: So only after you do the chemical analysis, and then
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  Speaker 1: if they have a subject, and if they have a reason,
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  Speaker 1: well then you would suspect possible homicide. But it could
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  Speaker 1: have been an accident because when you have something that
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  Speaker 1: looks natural but insulin's involved, well, did they have enough
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  Speaker 1: carbohydrates to balance their insulin, did they miss a meal,
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  Speaker 1: did they get a drug by mistake. There's all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of things can happen that way. But if you're not
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  Speaker 1: a diabetic, you shouldn't have insulin in you, and it's
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  Speaker 1: difficult to discover but there's a lot of bodies to
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  Speaker 1: go to autopsy that have no outer signs of trauma
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  Speaker 1: or fall play. To Rachel Hammers Joining Mat of Huntsville,
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  Speaker 1: Alabama journalist, Rachel, did this guy, Jean Cappella Junior, just
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  Speaker 1: thirty seven years old with a four year old little
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  Speaker 1: girl that he idolized and a happy marriage. Did he
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  Speaker 1: have a drug addiction or any other issue that could
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  Speaker 1: have led to his death that you know of that?
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  Speaker 1: I know absolutely no indications that he had a problem
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  Speaker 1: with drugs. This guy, this happy dad, Jean Cappella Junior,
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  Speaker 1: had no drug addiction. He was not strangled, he wasn't shot,
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  Speaker 1: He was a stabbed What happened and then this. The
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  Speaker 1: state is still waiting to receive the final autopsy report,
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  Speaker 1: but the medical examiner told officials it's consistent with being
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  Speaker 1: poisoned by insolent. A check at the hospital where Capella's
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  Speaker 1: wife worked as a charge nurse showed that insolent was missing.
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  Speaker 1: The judge found probable cause for the case to move
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  Speaker 1: forward in court with the victim's family was hoping for.
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  Speaker 1: He's shining down on us right now. He's with us
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  Speaker 1: every step of the way, you know, He was well
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  Speaker 1: known in the Huntsville community. Here's my saturn. I miss him.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't deserve this, but he deserves justice. The couple's daughter, meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: is in the care of Loving Relatives. Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Huntsville police have charged Jim Cappello's wife, Marjorie Cappello,
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  Speaker 1: in his killing. Friends and family reported the thirty seven
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  Speaker 1: year old private investigator missing Thursday night. Today, police searched
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  Speaker 1: their home and found his body. Friends and family gather
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  Speaker 1: outside a house lined in caution tape, waiting for an
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  Speaker 1: answer to a question they never wanted to ask. Did
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  Speaker 1: they find Jim Jim Capello, a thirty seven year old
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  Speaker 1: private investigator, was reported missing Thursday by friends and family members. Friday,
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  Speaker 1: police made an official visit to the Cappello home. As
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  Speaker 1: they worked to locate him. They talked with his wife,
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  Speaker 1: Marjorie Cappello. Through Friday. We had several our investigators had
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  Speaker 1: several different communications with members of the family of the
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  Speaker 1: missing person and of the female that lives at this
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  Speaker 1: house that culminated into where we're at today. Police went
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  Speaker 1: back to the house Saturday, this time wanting to search
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  Speaker 1: the property and she would not let us in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Missus Capello did voluntarily go to the Huntsville Police Department
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  Speaker 1: for questioning. Police got us search warrant. When they went
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  Speaker 1: inside the home, they found Jim Capello's body. Soon after,
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  Speaker 1: they charged his wife with murder. That's our friend Kelly
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  Speaker 1: Smith at WHNT nineteen Hutswell and earlier AF forty eight's
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay canell I Meancy Grace thisscribe stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. A local private eye, very well known
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  Speaker 1: in his community, found dead in his own home. A
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  Speaker 1: four year old little girl left behind. Shocking details now
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  Speaker 1: surfacing in the case of a Huntsful PI private investigator
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  Speaker 1: found dead. Question Doctor William Maroney with me, soon to
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  Speaker 1: be Chief Medical Examiner, Bay County, Michigan, author of American
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  Speaker 1: Narkian Doctor Moroney. We know that according to the autopsy,
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  Speaker 1: he was poisoned with insulin. How do you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Can you drink it? Can you eat it? Does it
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  Speaker 1: have to be shot up? And is it part of
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  Speaker 1: the normal drug panel that is performed when you have
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  Speaker 1: an autopsy. The normal things like you'll look for cocaine,
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  Speaker 1: a heroine, meth. Do you normally look for insulin? How
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  Speaker 1: could they have found that? It is never a normal panel.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have suspicion. And here's why they would
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  Speaker 1: have a suspicion. In the normal testing, it'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: how much glucose, sodium, potassium chloride, it'll tell you like
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  Speaker 1: your chemical analysis, and his sugar. His glucose level was zero.
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  Speaker 1: That is abnormal. And then somebody would say from that, well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go look at his pancreas where you know insulin's made.
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  Speaker 1: Is it normal? Is it full of cancer? Is it working?
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  Speaker 1: They take samples, They'll look at slices of the pancreas
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  Speaker 1: and show that it's normal. They put them on slides,
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  Speaker 1: they put them in a microscope, and they say there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing wrong. THO was his pancreas? What else would give
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  Speaker 1: him a sugar of zero? And the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: would do it? He was very specific words the medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner and the police used. They said, consistent with insulin poisoning.
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  Speaker 1: They may not have direct evidence that he has high
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  Speaker 1: levels of insulin, but he has zero glucose, which would
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  Speaker 1: result from that. So it had to be a two
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  Speaker 1: step analysis. It had to be tiered, and there had
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  Speaker 1: to be absolutely no other cause of death. That autopsy
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  Speaker 1: showed absolutely no other cause of death other than an
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  Speaker 1: abnormal glucose is zero. Well, how can you get insulin?
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  Speaker 1: Can it be given to you in a drink or
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  Speaker 1: in food or does it have to be shot into you? No,
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  Speaker 1: he was injected. He was injected. And here's what you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see in the crime. Injected in Ordinarily, insulin is
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  Speaker 1: a subcutaneous injection, so it's just under the skin, like
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  Speaker 1: above the fat level. So it's real, real, tiny needle
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  Speaker 1: thirty one tiny, tiny tiny needle. Now, if he was
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  Speaker 1: made drowsy with a high level of insulin and then
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  Speaker 1: they came back and they did an intravenous or intra
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  Speaker 1: arterial of a much larger dose that put him down,
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  Speaker 1: mecom sleepy, mecom drowsy, Keep giving him injections and then
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  Speaker 1: come back. Insolent has never given ivy like that, never
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  Speaker 1: unless it's an emergency. You know, I'm just I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how this murder was effective. Is
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  Speaker 1: it even a murderer? According to the Huntsville Police Department
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  Speaker 1: Major Crimes investigator, the case began to take shape and
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  Speaker 1: it all started on September twenty one, when the wife Nikki,
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  Speaker 1: files a missing person's report on her husband, Jim the
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  Speaker 1: private Eye, the father of her four year old little girl. Now,
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  Speaker 1: his co workers had been contacting her asking about him
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  Speaker 1: because he didn't show up for work, and he never
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  Speaker 1: did that. They went to go check on him, and
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  Speaker 1: Rachel Hammer's joining me out of hunts Well, Alabama journalist.
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  Speaker 1: The co workers go to check on him at the
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  Speaker 1: family home there on Lauderdale Road in South Huntsville, And
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  Speaker 1: is it true she would not let them come inside,
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  Speaker 1: but his cars parked out front, Her car was parked out,
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  Speaker 1: and he would not let investigators inside as friends Christer
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  Speaker 1: and her father who were on their way up here
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  Speaker 1: to start a search party looking for him. Okay, right
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  Speaker 1: there too, doctor Karn start psychologists joining me out of Manhattan.
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  Speaker 1: If David was missing and I had looked everywhere and
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  Speaker 1: people came to help me, I believe I would let
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  Speaker 1: them in the front door. Karen, Well, of course you would, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: which leads us to wonder, this is extremely mysterious. How
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  Speaker 1: could she possibly send people away? I mean, yes, you
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  Speaker 1: reported him missing, but here are friends that have come
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  Speaker 1: and they want to be a part of trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out where he is and she sends them away.
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  Speaker 1: So something is very suspicious to Kenya Johnson. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta prosecutor now defense at juries will tell us that
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  Speaker 1: that behavior is not probitive. In other words, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: prove anything, but I guarantee Kenya to a jurya does well.
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  Speaker 1: Juries are made up of people and citizens and they
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  Speaker 1: bring to the table their emotions and how they would respond.
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  Speaker 1: And so just as you mentioned, Nancy, how you would
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  Speaker 1: act if your loved one would miss wanted to offer assistance,
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  Speaker 1: You've welcome that. And so all of that is going
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  Speaker 1: to be taken a look at and see what are
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  Speaker 1: these It will go to the timeline of what's happened,
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  Speaker 1: how she acted in any activities that she did surrounding
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  Speaker 1: his enduring this disappearance. So it definitely raises some red
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  Speaker 1: flags and police are gonna look a little deeper after
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  Speaker 1: hearing that she's tried to stop the friends and family.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, it reminds me of Kenyan Johnson. It
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: reminds me of the recent texts McIver case. These millionaire
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: married to a millionaire and before his wife was cold
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  Speaker 1: in the grave, he has a basically a yard sale
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  Speaker 1: and a fancy boutique, and sold off about half a million,
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  Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars of her designer boots and pocketbooks
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  Speaker 1: and clothing. I mean, I remember when my fiance, Say
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  Speaker 1: was murdered. Within a week or two, there was no
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  Speaker 1: way I would be selling off the stuff. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: even think straight, much less organize a consignment cell and
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  Speaker 1: a fancy boutique. Do you remember that? No, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean he committed murder, but it sure doesn't help Kenya,
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  Speaker 1: it does. I remember when that happened, and not only
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  Speaker 1: did he sell her stuff, but he had his assistant
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  Speaker 1: wearing her items, and her friend was walking around wearing
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  Speaker 1: the deceased item's daze after she was found dead, or
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: she would saying, oh well, what, Kenya Johnson, are you
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: telling me another woman was wearing his dead wife's clothing,
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  Speaker 1: her designer clothing, I might add, absolutely, And that's what
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  Speaker 1: really brought police to suspect that the shooting may have
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  Speaker 1: been intentional. So in this current case, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she's not allowing help. Who wouldn't want help from anyone
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  Speaker 1: that was offering it, even strangers. It just doesn't show
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  Speaker 1: a sense of urgency or desperation, and that raises that
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  Speaker 1: will raise red flag sons back again. You know who
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  Speaker 1: else this reminds me? I mean, I hate to even
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  Speaker 1: say his name. Rachel Hammer's joining me hunts Froll Alabama
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  Speaker 1: journalist Drew Peterson. Drew Peterson, who's in jail already for
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  Speaker 1: murdering wife number three, Kathleen Savio. Remember when his fourth,
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  Speaker 1: much younger wife, Stacy Peterson, goes missing, he tried to
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  Speaker 1: give her fur coats and bikini's away to another woman.
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  Speaker 1: I mean almost immediately. That's creepy, you know I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about For those of you just joining us, a thirty
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  Speaker 1: seven year old young man, many people think that he's handsome,
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  Speaker 1: Jim Capello junior with a four year old little girl
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  Speaker 1: left behind without a dad. So co workers come and
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  Speaker 1: try to help look for him, and the wife will
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  Speaker 1: not let them in the front door. And there's his
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  Speaker 1: car parked out in the front. They know that's there,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not all. Listen to our friend w F
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  Speaker 1: forty eight reporter Lindsay Kneale. Private investigator Jim Capello was
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  Speaker 1: found dead on the floor of his garage at the
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  Speaker 1: family's South Huntsville home. His wife had reported him missing
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  Speaker 1: in September, but investigators say she called a friend and
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  Speaker 1: told her that he wasn't really missing and that she
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  Speaker 1: killed him with insolin seeking help to dispose of the body.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. His wife had reported him
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  Speaker 1: missing in September, but investigators say she called a friend
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  Speaker 1: and told her that he wasn't really missing and that
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  Speaker 1: she killed him with insolent, seeking help to dispose of
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  Speaker 1: the body. Her friend then called police, leading to the
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  Speaker 1: sad discovery. Jim was investigating his wife because he thought
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  Speaker 1: she was abusing drugs. Nicki, meanwhile, was very open to
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  Speaker 1: co workers about the re lationship problems they were having.
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  Speaker 1: According to police, she showed no emotion after her husband's
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  Speaker 1: body was found. A small grave was also discovered in
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  Speaker 1: the backyard. The evidence that came out today is pretty
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  Speaker 1: clear and pretty horrendous. Like I said, we're still pursuing
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  Speaker 1: a murder charge. Wow, wait a minute, now it's all
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  Speaker 1: starting to fit together, to see Lampley, detective, author of
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: How to Catch a Liar Or Another thing that happened
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  Speaker 1: was when police came to the home. She says, sure,
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  Speaker 1: search the home everything, but the garage, ding ding, ding,
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  Speaker 1: ding ding, and now what idiot? No offense Marjorie Nicole
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  Speaker 1: Nicki Capello, age thirty two. But who calls someone and asks, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: my husband's not really missing. Don't worry about him, he's dead.
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  Speaker 1: How does that even fit in the same sentence, don't
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  Speaker 1: worry about him, he's not missing, he's dead. Can you
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  Speaker 1: help me get rid of his body? I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: a surefire way to get caught an episode of Orible
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  Speaker 1: dumbas Criminals. This case has been the I guess, the
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  Speaker 1: comedy of errors from the beginning, because it's my understanding
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  Speaker 1: that while she was at work I think she was
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  Speaker 1: a registered nurse at a hospital there, and she was
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  Speaker 1: telling her co workers that the only way she was
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  Speaker 1: going to be out of the marriage or something along
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  Speaker 1: those lines, was if he was dead. And then she
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  Speaker 1: steals the drug that has to be counted, knowing that's
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  Speaker 1: going to come up missing, takes it home, she injects
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  Speaker 1: the insulin. Then she asked for help from two different people.
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  Speaker 1: I understand the dispose of the body. She digs a
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  Speaker 1: gray and then she avoids the police help. It couldn't
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  Speaker 1: have been much easier for the police officers. I don't believe.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Smith, forensics expert, found her bare bones, consulting.
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  Speaker 1: What is it? Where the husbands and the wives? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's the first person cops look at and she's asking
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  Speaker 1: people to help dispose of the body. Yeah, D, I,
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  Speaker 1: V O, R and C E. Anthony. I don't understand this.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, they always have the thing. It's always
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  Speaker 1: the husband. It's always the wife. Well not always, but
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the time it is. And in this case,
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  Speaker 1: police smelled the odor of a decomposing body at the
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  Speaker 1: front door. If the body is in the garage, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know many garages that have air conditioning in them.
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  Speaker 1: That body is going to decompose even more rapidly because
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  Speaker 1: of the heat. There's no doubt in my mind. As
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  Speaker 1: soon as she opened that front door, the officer got
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  Speaker 1: a whiff of that human decomposition. He went, woo, we've
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  Speaker 1: got a huge problem here. You tape off the house,
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  Speaker 1: you lock the doors, you take her downtown for questioning,
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  Speaker 1: and you get a search warrant for the house, which
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  Speaker 1: is exactly what they did too. Doctor William Moroney, Deputy
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  Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Bay County, Michigan, author of American narcan doctor Moroney.
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  Speaker 1: I know this is elementary for you. Try to break
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  Speaker 1: it down for us regular folks. Why would the cops
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  Speaker 1: have smelled his body. The body begins to decompose within
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  Speaker 1: the first twenty four hours. It swells and it gives
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  Speaker 1: off gases. Those gases burst. It's the bacteria inside the body,
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  Speaker 1: and worse than that, it's blowflies come and plant larva,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's maggots that begin eating the body and
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  Speaker 1: all that gives off putrescine, sperming and other fatty based, organic,
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  Speaker 1: nasty smelling things. That that's the reason why we embalm bodies.
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  Speaker 1: It prevents all that bad chemistry. And without it, especially
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  Speaker 1: at ninety degrees plus humidity, blowflies, maggots, swelling gas, it
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  Speaker 1: takes about a day, and that all starts at ninety
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  Speaker 1: degrees in the summer. Okay, I want, I wanted you
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  Speaker 1: to dummy down for me, but I think you kind
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  Speaker 1: of went a little overboard. You just don't have any
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: in between daya dotor Maroney to Rachel Hammers, Huntsville, Alabama journalist,
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  Speaker 1: what was wrong with their marriage? Why not just get
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  Speaker 1: a divorce like normal people? That would make sense in
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: doing some additional digging the Niagaragazette where he grew up,
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  Speaker 1: and Lotport had reported that there was according to his sister,
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  Speaker 1: that he was investigating her. He was investigating his wife,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I should say, for drug abuse, and the sisters quoted
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  Speaker 1: as saying, I think the problem slowly grew over time.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted her to seek hope. So it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: perhaps he wanted to save the marriage. Wow, we understand
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: that Jim had become suspicious that wife NICKI was using drugs.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know what kind. Could have been over the counter,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: could have been prescription drugs, we don't know. So he
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the PI private investigator starts investigating her and gathering evidence.
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  Speaker 1: He at some point decided he wanted to leave her
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  Speaker 1: and get custody of the four year old daughter Riley.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, at one point he even
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: finds a bottle of insolent, takes a photo of it
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  Speaker 1: and sends it to a friend, but they didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what it was at the time. Now, this is what
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. How does this work in a hospital,
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  Speaker 1: doctor William Moroney? How do they not know that insulin
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  Speaker 1: is missing? Don't they have to keep that locked up
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  Speaker 1: and sign out. They do. But somebody can fraud the
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  Speaker 1: use of insulin and say that they took it out
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  Speaker 1: for a patient that was listed on the floor is diabetic,
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  Speaker 1: and they faked entries into the computer. And with narcotics
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  Speaker 1: with scheduled substances, you're required to have a witness, and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: if you dispose of it, it's called wasting. And the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: person verifies that you got rid of the fentonel, you
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: got rid of the morphine, you got rid of the dlotted,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you got rid of the injection, and two people assume
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  Speaker 1: the responsibility. Because insulin is a what you call a
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  Speaker 1: generic organic daily drug, you're not required to have a witness.
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  Speaker 1: You can fake the entry yourself, and that's how they
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  Speaker 1: do that in the hospital. I have a short explanation
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  Speaker 1: of why her and her friend talked casually about him dying.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: It's her drug use, if she is involved in drugs,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: has hijacked her brain, and this other person may be involved,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and that's why they could talk about it openly to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: try to cover up their drug use. As soon as
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: somebody finds out that she's dependent on substances or addicted,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: her nursing license is gone. So she's going to try
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to hide that, you know. Another issue that we heard
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: from Stephen Lampley earlier is that Nicki Cappello, a young mom,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a charge nurse at the hospital, told co workers that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: she was miserable in her marriage and the only way
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: she could ever be free and rid of her husband
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: is if he was dead. Now, co workers actually caught it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: They were looking through medication supply and they found insulin missing.
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  Speaker 1: And this is according to waff and that they contacted
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Nicki Cappello and she said she accidentally bought a bottle
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: of the diabetes drug home with her. So they did
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  Speaker 1: catch it, and they called her on it. Rachel Hammers
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: until Alabama journalist What's next in the case in early
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story,
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  Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,