Latest / That Mom / How High-Achieving Moms Can Create a Life They Actually Enjoy
Transcript
- Maria Woods: you Welcome to That Mom, the podcast where we explore finding more joy and more meaning in the beautiful chaos of motherhood. I'm your host Maria, and I'm so glad you're here. Today, we're talking all about how to create a life you love. Joining me is Laurel Boyvin. She's a life and leadership coach, a podcaster, and a speaker. We're talking about how to create a life full of capacity, how to prioritize what truly matters, and how to do some self-work and self-regulation. Laurel, welcome to That Mom. Laurel, I'm so thrilled to have you. ⁓ You are a life coach, but also a speaker, a podcaster, a life and leadership coach. Yes. Yes. I'm thrilled to be here. ⁓ The work that I've been doing really is a result of my own work. I I left my corporate career probably eight years ago with some significant burnout. And what I've learned in my recovery and then ⁓ journey since then, like is a lot of the tools that I now coach about. That's great. And what's so interesting about you to me is that you're a leadership coach as well. And I think that's so interesting for women and some of your work says you're building the capacity to lead. Yes. Which is fascinating. tell me a little bit about that. We need capacity to lead, it sounds like. Yes. OK. And I landed in this really for several years. I have been really leaning into or thinking about our human human humanness as our human operating system. OK. Because I think a lot in processes and procedures. Me too. And then I forget about my little human. and I don't take care of it. And so I'm really like, when I started to think about like, how do you, how do you run this human operating system to be efficient and sustainable for a long term? Because I don't know about you, but I want to live to be about a hundred. And I want to be thriving all of that time. So the capacity really came up through Like what am I doing? What are my clients doing? What are we in the world doing to protect our capacity? Not just to lead, but to be in relationship, ⁓ to be good parents, to be good humans. So everything is tied to capacity. Everything. And I also am really fascinated with Energy and so it's not just how much energy I have because maybe I had three cups of coffee today It's what are my energy cycles and the more I can become aware of when's my best time to work? When's my worst time to work? know, what what cycle is the moon in that is fueling me? Mm-hmm the more that I learn kind of the energy tied to my capacity I can build my life around my energy cycles to really run more efficiently. Okay. So let's say a woman comes to you. know there's so much we could dive into. ⁓ Let's say a woman comes to you, working mother, and she's trying to build her capacity to lead at work, but she just feels overwhelmed. maybe she wants to, maybe you want to examine her energy. Where do you start with that? Well, a little bit of energy tracking. And I often ask, who are the people, places and things that drain you? We all know that. We know, you know, probably half a dozen people that suck our energy dry. Yeah, you leave them and you're like, I'm exhausted. That's right. Right. And so when you start to really bring that awareness to who are the people, places and things that drain me, And who are the people, places and things that fill my cup? And really just to notice that. mean, I know most women don't have the luxury of doing what we want only with who we want all hours of the day. However, if you know that you come into maybe a Thursday or Friday exhausted because of your workload at work, you might not want to plan. Friday night dinner with someone who drains you. You might want to plan Saturday all to yourself or with the people that fill you. So bringing the awareness to those things is really where I start with women in particular. Yeah. I think you said tracking. you asking people to write it down? Because in my mind, it's like, yeah, things drain me and things fill me up. And I find that so true. But I know Tracking can be a little different. It takes I would say a little more time a little more pause and Maybe is more helpful to actually track it and write it down except we don't want to put one more thing to do on our That's right, right? So no, I don't okay in my work with clients. I never assign homework. Okay Because we want to figure things out But we don't want more to do so When I talk about bringing the awareness, the more that you can bring awareness, you will start to notice these things without even trying. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Moms do not need another to do. No, not at all. Not at all. ⁓ So how can people make shifts around this energy that you're saying, you you brought up scheduling like delaying things. Are there other ways? you try to add in more of what is giving you energy? Are there ways to delete things that are not quite working or draining us? I think both. Right. So that's a yes. And the simplest way to start is by being with people or in places that that excite you. And I don't mean like that Disney World. No rollercoasters. No, but like where you feel energized. ⁓ huh. Right. For me, it's walking in the woods. I can go for a walk in the woods even on a day that I don't even like myself, you know, those days. And I come out of the woods after 15 minutes in nature, feeling different. So by trying to bring some of that energized feeling that lights you up or fills you without having to do anything. So this is where like maybe volunteering fills your cup, but it's another to do. Right. Right. So. So by increasing the things that energize you, you're making more space to tolerate the things that drain you. ⁓ And then when you do have the ability to reduce what drains you, and that doesn't look the same for everybody, it could be you ask for help from other areas, right? mean, ⁓ back when my children were young, Now they're 35 and 37, so it was a long time ago. But the wash, fold and dry laundromat started popping up. And I used to think, who's going to pay 30 cents a pound for someone else to do your laundry? I would. Doesn't sound so unreasonable now. However, it's that those are the things like, can you can you resource yourself by delegating, letting go of. ⁓ Though it's really hard work when we're not used to asking for help or accepting help. But begin to look at what resources do you have and get rid of some of the things that drain you. Yeah. I think people probably have to be creative too in that. And I think some of the work is not just, it's being open to the idea and then letting go. Yes. I mean, it sounds really crazy, but I have helped with my kids' laundry. but it was hard for me to let go. Cause I'm like, what if something gets shrunk? What if a stain doesn't come out? like saying that out loud, I know I sound completely crazy, but maybe someone can relate where like letting go of that and just trusting that it will come out good enough. Like it was a little hard for me. And that, like I said, it sounds a little crazy. Well, and I do think, I think that's pretty typical for most high achieving women. what the same, I'll say characteristics or qualities or skills. that make us successful at work are the things that take up our energy at home. so perfectionism. I would never admit I was a perfectionist, but at some point I would refold the laundry if someone did it wrong. ⁓ think when my children were probably teenagers, they're only two years apart, so. When they were teenagers, I was at this point where no one would help me decorate the Christmas tree. And I just wanted to bring back the days when they were little and everybody would participate. And when I asked my oldest, who was probably 15 at the time, why don't you want to do this with me anymore? She said, mom, you just rearrange the decorations after we go to bed. And I did because they were perfect. So when you think about those skills that it's hard to let things go. And so I often think we have to be able to let things go in both places, not just at home or not just at work, but it has to be a new way of being. And does that build the capacity that you were talking about earlier? Yes. Yeah. And then the other piece that it also helps with the emotion, right? Because If you're not willing to let things go, if things have to be perfect, or you have a really strong work ethic and you never want to let someone down, you want to be able to do everything, the emotions that you carry in overdoing, over-functioning, over-serving, over-pleasing, that emotional load is like a silent. Burden is what's coming to mind. Mm-hmm where it's heavy emotion that we hide. Yeah, and We feel it but we don't We don't share it with others and we don't speak about it. Yeah for me It's like I can identify with that until like one thing tips the scale and then all of sudden like I have something to share with my husband how I've been doing all these things Yes. Yeah, and it is one of those things that happens, especially with high women that we look to the outside world like we've got it all going on. We hold it together. I know years and years ago my husband said to me, essentially these weren't his words, but you could be raging inside and no one would ever know it because you are so calm. And I was. But when we hold all of that inside, people give us more to carry because we're capable. of doing it all. So letting go sounds like a practice. Absolutely. Yeah. It's relearning. So does every I know this is so general, but does every working mother or busy mother or mother who feels a bit overwhelmed need to let something go? Do you think? I would say yes. Yeah. But but it's so different for every person. When I think about some, some women are really, really nurturing and are the caretakers for everybody in the workplace, at home, in their communities. Other women might not be nurturing, but they're the go-to people when things need to get done. ⁓ and so we all have our own unique, ⁓ role, right? And so it really becomes that question of what is draining me. What is exciting me? What is serving me? Where am I giving too much? And that's, think it starts with like some real exploration on what core values you are using to make your decisions. And how do you walk through the core value piece and... evaluating what those are and then applying them to decisions. Have you ever done a values analysis? No, no, I do think I do filter things against values, but no, not formally. So ⁓ it's kind of an exploration, right? When you think about self-discovery, this isn't just like sit down for 20 minutes and decide. What your values are? No, this is beginning to think about ⁓ where I say yes and Why am I saying yes? I saying yes out of obligation out of guilt out of love? ⁓ And I think this is really interesting because it's bringing me to this I often in my work and in my own decision-making I often think about, I moving forward in fear or in love? And when you start to recognize what's the why behind your yes, you can start getting clear on what you value. Like are you afraid you're going to let someone down? Are you afraid you won't get the promotion? Or is this something that you love to do that feels good to say yes to? Or even am I saying yes to this person or this project? time and time again out of love or out of fear. So when you start to think about that, it bubbles up what's important to you, right? And it also brings up ⁓ maybe some core fears. And so when you start to play with those and recognize those things, you can then begin to narrow it down. Does that make sense? Yeah, narrow down. What you're saying yes to, what you're saying no to because you have a better understanding of where you're coming from and what's actually important to you. Yeah. And then if you claim that something is important to you, You know what a good value might be? Community. Sure. But you are never acting in community or giving into community. You can say that community is a value, but If you're not making the decisions and you're not acting in a way that supports your value, you really got to stop and think, how much do I truly value that? On my top 10, is that number 11? And then let it go. Stop claiming that it's a high value to you. Right. And this is probably can change over time. Absolutely. This is a moment in time that we're looking at It is a moment in time, yeah. Yeah, and once you kind of narrow down your values, you can then start making decisions like, you know, going back to the folding of the laundry being perfect. Is it the highest value that you have to have perfectly folded laundry? No, hopefully not. Right. Yeah, it's funny. No, I think this is it's funny because you can see how silly it is to hold on to that. But I think ⁓ I can identify. I can too. So I hope other people listening can too and maybe start to realize some things that they could let go of. Yeah. And going back to like the high performing women, when we, you know, want a career and a family and to volunteer, we want to serve others in those way and all of those ways. We do need a filter for what we say yes to and what we don't. Right. So I know, at this stage in my life, because I work for myself and my children are adults, I can be really selective or discerning about what I'm saying yes to. But after decades of saying yes to too much and not knowing how to be discerning, it's the filter of my values that keeps me honest with myself. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And then I want to talk a little bit about emotional regulation because I know as I mentioned, you're a podcaster yourself and some of your episodes talk about this emotional regulation. And I just think it's so interesting because it's something personally I never really thought about until I became a mother. And then as you have children kind of maybe they're tantruming or they're having these big feelings, it kind of forced me to start to think about my own emotional regulation or if you've ever snapped at your child, which I know I have, I think most people have at one point, we try not to do that, but how do you think about emotional regulation, whether it's parenting, work, how does that tie into life? ⁓ boy. How much time do we have? Let's talk to someone who maybe it's somewhat new for them or maybe they're just starting to explore it for the first time as a parent and Dealing with children and yeah, let's start there. Yeah, and I think the example of you know looking to your children to learn how to Live with emotion is a really good place to start. Okay, because children They show their emotions Especially before school age. I really do believe this that until we are taught to control our emotions. Children bring all of their emotions to whatever they're in, right? And so as adults, we often have spent a long time not being aware or not thinking about our emotions because we try so hard to keep them contained and controlled and hide them. Yeah, keep them appropriate. That's right. You don't want to, ⁓ yeah. Especially women at work, like you don't for me personally, I'm like, ooh, I don't want to be sad at work or I don't want to be angry because none of that looks good. Yes, but have you ever cried because you've been frustrated? And is it OK to be frustrated in the workplace? Yeah, I know I've cried for work-related matters, feeling whatever it is, feeling looked over or, yeah, feeling frustrated maybe. And so it's really interesting because we have this list of emotions that are acceptable in different places. I mean, I know growing up, I'm one of five children. I was always the happy, optimistic one, which was questioned a lot, like in the world we live in now, you know, do we have permission to be like happy? The world is a hard place right now. hope so. You know, this part of this podcast is empowering moms to live with more joy and more meaning. Yeah. So hopefully happiness ties into that, you know, and I think it can. So I do too. That's part of this conversation, but that's interesting. And so going back to like the emotional awareness, when you begin to learn to manage or regulate your emotions, you need to be aware of them. You need to allow yourself to Feel them and not just the joy you have to be able to feel the opposite of joy Yeah, and so when you think are you again going back to like your human operating system is your operating system? capable of feeling a wide range of emotions and once you allow yourself to feel them you learn how to Regulate them you learn ⁓ I'll give an example of my own and this ties in with not just emotional regulation but nervous system regulation because you know our nervous system our brain and our emotions are all related and so there was a new grocery store not far from my house it was brand new a couple years ago my husband thought it was the best thing in the world i went there on a saturday morning with him and Three aisles in, my breathing was tight, my heart was beating too fast. You know, I really could feel this tension. And while I didn't think it was an emotion, it was definitely a nervous system reaction of overwhelm. There were too many people, too many products, the lights were bright, the floors were too white. It was overwhelm. And the expression of overwhelm when my husband looked at me and said, what is wrong with you? What's going on? The emotion was embarrassment or like trying to hide that I was having a physical reaction to what was the situation I was in, what my surroundings. so like bringing that emotion to, this is just a thought. You know, what do I need to do to calm myself down? Like I went outside, sat on a bench, got some fresh air, did a few deep breaths so I could go back in and manage the surroundings more easily. So there's like that piece of becoming more familiar with your body, recognizing the signs your body is sending to your brain, recognizing that an emotion is the result often of the thought you're thinking. I think about embarrassment. Embarrassment is a thought that I'm thinking about myself, that I should be able to handle a grocery store on a Saturday. It can be challenging, yes. But so I do think like, again, you know, the awareness, not that you have to do anything right away, but becoming aware of what emotions you're feeling and which you give yourself permission to live and which you try to hide. Yeah, because like you said, frustration was one and you could be frustrated at work. That's OK. Doesn't mean you need to throw something against the wall. And the same, you know, at home, you could get really frustrated with, let's just say a toddler situation, because that's always fun. you can be frustrated. think just being aware that, ⁓ I'm just feeling really frustrated helps you to to not react as much or as big because you're like, yeah, this is just a normal feeling that you know, I'm having due to the circumstances. And then the question of what do I want to feel instead? Right. And this is work. This is years of unlearning. But if you're frustrated and you want to feel even if you want to feel neutral, if you want, know, you don't describe it as a pebble in the shoe, right? That just gets bigger and bigger, the irritation. And you want to just feel a little bit more neutral. what do you have to think about the situation that's causing you to be frustrated? Okay. In order to kind of neutralize. Yeah. Can I tell another quick story? Yeah. My children were really little at this point. ⁓ They were probably three and five. They were at an age where I could sit them at the dining room or the kitchen table with craft stuff. Yeah. It's about my kid's age, the way. yeah, approximately. And it was back in the day when we had landline telephones with a long cord. And I set them up with all kinds of craft stuff. And I was talking on the phone with a friend. And I said to her, isn't it great that our kids are at this age where we can actually talk on the phone? I went into the other room, talked on the phone for 15 minutes. I came back. They had glued their rock collection to the kitchen table. ⁓ my gosh. And I knew I had two choices. I could react badly. Yeah. Or I could think, aren't they creative? And didn't I give them permission because I left the room and I was enjoying the conversation with my friends so much. Yeah. I'm going to ruin that conversation and that joy by yelling at my kids because they glued their rock collection to the table. Yeah. Luckily it was Elmer's glue. Yeah. So you can hopefully get that off. Yeah. But I do think like We can pause, if we can pause and recognize an emerging emotion that often is a reaction to our circumstances, we might be able to choose a different emotion. Yeah. I think with me, parenting young kids, ⁓ when they're feeling big feelings and I'm getting frustrated, for me it helps to just realize how little they are and how much they're learning and how much they don't really... have the skills to calm down or to whatever they're doing is coming from a good place or not meaning to like annoy me, frustrate me. It's that they're trying to learn how to express themselves and feel their feelings. So for me, just looking at them in that light makes me have more empathy for some reason. that's the story I need to tell myself I've realized in order not to react like, ⁓ they're just. I need children and luckily I'm this adult that's had all this practice so I don't need to go there. That's a little story I tell myself. And children learn from watching the other people around them. And so when you think about growing up in a home where maybe there's a lack of patience on the parent's part, they may grow up to be more timid because they don't want to upset. You know, the panel car. Yeah. And then the other piece of going back to the energy is that we all as humans connect with others energy and your children, you know, will feel your energy probably even before you use the words to describe what you're feeling. And so if you are more relaxed and let some things go, their nervous systems may be more relaxed. but it's always something that you just have to try, play with. Yeah. Yeah. I did want to touch on this topic, which is all tied in ease. So you have an episode that I think is interesting on your podcast, all about ease. And you basically are inviting people to have more ease in their life. That sounds wonderful. Can we talk a little bit about that? OK. Where do you want to start? Let's see. That episode I bet was, was it at ease as in, as in inside job? Yes, that's it. And so, you know, this is again, part of my own journey and how to have less resistance, less urgency, less pushing things forward, like forcing things to happen in life because as a high achieving person, especially a woman, I want to make things happen. And then when things don't happen, you know, often that's where the frustration comes in or I might question what is wrong that I can't make this thing happen that I want. And I think that's everything because you want to make things maybe happen at work or happen in your business. You want to make things happen for your family. You want everyone to put their shoes on, get their backpacks on and get out the door by a certain time. So I think It's relatable. Yeah to a lot of mothers that we we want to make things happen. Yes Okay, so we're there and then we get into this thought that if only it was easier And easier is something I think we chase But the difference between things being easier and ease comes into more of how what the feeling is what the human experience of ease is yeah, like I'm imagining People still have to get on their shoes to get out the door, but I'm just feeling more calm, not like, we have to go right now. Yes. And so this ease is, for me, it's letting go of the forcing things to happen. It's letting go of the urgency. it goes back to letting some things go. I want to think about a good example because when we are in ease, have you ever been at work and maybe you are into a place where it feels like a flow state? Yes. Where maybe you have to write something and it's just happening. It's there's some ease and flow that you are in. Often we think that's because of either our skill set or the amount of time we've been working in a certain profession. ⁓ But it really is because your nervous system is in a place of being wide open and letting your brain be more creative, letting the ideas come. Lack of self judgment. When you're in a flow state, it's different than when you're forcing something to happen and no matter how hard you try, you can't. Right. I I run into this a lot in Content creation. I'm a business owner. So there's a lot of content if it's on my calendar that I have a two-hour block For content creation and I sit down and I think I can force myself to have creative thoughts They don't come. Mm-hmm. Need to maybe be in a situation where I'm allowing things to come It might be a walk in nature that brings me into a state of ease What else? Ask me some questions. Tell me your experience with ease. Well, for me, I know in your episode you talked a little bit about what supports you to be ease. And so for me, in the example of trying to get kids out the door in the morning, because to me that's just like can be a stressful time, I think for some other moms too. Absolutely. So for me, when you were talking about systems, I was kind of thinking about how I've set up my physical environment ⁓ and my expectations. So I've put socks downstairs ⁓ in the entryway, exit way next to the shoes, not up with the kids' clothes. that just makes that easier. And little things that you do to kind of prepare. Also just having the expectation like. For me, I've realized it actually takes five minutes to get from where we're to put on your shoes, get all your stuff and get into the car with all the car seats and everything. That's at least five minutes. if you're thinking, it could be 10, so if you think that that's, you leave the house at that time, you say it's time to go, well, that's just not happening. So I think some of those systems of setting the expectation, I also just build in now a five minute buffer so that. Okay, if we're a little early, we're a little early, we wait in the drop off line, but if, ⁓ you know, if we need five more minutes because someone needs to use the bathroom or it's particularly challenging, it just builds, it builds in that ease for me because you're not, you're not fighting against the time. And so it allows me to relax and just also enjoy it more because, you know, everyone knows what to do. You kind of set up this ritual that works. And you don't judge yourself for needing. five-minute buffer. Right. Or that it takes five minutes to get to the car because it does with kids. I don't know how you do it in shorter time. I think that's pretty fast. You know and it's a lot of when my again you know in my parenting days when my children were little I learned at some point not to judge what I needed to be successful you know because it might not compare to what someone else needed as a parent to be successful. ⁓ And I had a year where there were three very big stressful things going on in my personal life and I was working full time. I was commuting an hour and my children were really little. And for a long time I thought, ⁓ they're going to remember this year and it's going to be not good memories. And they talk about it now. Remember when we used to eat breakfast for dinner because mom didn't have time to cook dinner? Or remember how often we got new socks because I didn't have any clean laundry for them? Back in the day when CVS would sell children's socks, right? But it's that whole thing of like, I was the one judging that if I was a good mother, I wouldn't be buying new socks because I haven't had time to do the laundry. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. And you made it actually fun for your kids. Right? I mean, so those are the pieces of like how can you bring ease into your life? And I just want to mention, you know The resources you have to to to create a way of living where you are fully resourced physically emotionally mentally Right spiritually like because if you are fully resourced You have a system where you leave socks right by the shoes or you know Children might go to bed in their sweatshirt and sweatpants. Ready for the next day. Right, exactly. So this is interesting because we talk about resources and support, but often resources, it's linked to money. ⁓ yes. But here, we're giving some examples that are free, but instead you're setting up a system that really works for you. Even in these two examples, you have no help from someone else. Right. Yeah. Yeah, and it's really interesting because I do think we are the ones who hold ourselves to such high standards. Yes, 100%. We're saying we should do this without having any silly systems or without providing these resources for ourselves to get these things done. the high expectations that we have on ourselves is what makes us so successful in our careers. So it's a double-edged sword. That's right. We judge ourselves for needing resources or being high. ⁓ highly capable in our personal life. But yes, we are very capable and need to give ourselves permission. ⁓ That kind of leads me to my next question, which is how can women shift from so achievement oriented to something that's more intentional, more sustainable? You know if there was just a few places to start I think again we don't want like a long to-do list or having to take on a project right I mean there's nothing worse than adding your self-improvement to your project list. ⁓ Bring awareness again to, I'll say, your five senses. ⁓ Like, listen to your body. Right? Where if you can really bring that awareness, you'll start to have intelligence about what you really need. Okay. And it might be, today I need movement. Tomorrow you might need rest and no movement. But as you begin to bring that awareness to like, what do you physically, mentally, emotionally need? You can start to... Resource yourself in those areas. And then the last thing I'm going to say is rest, right? Because we go, go, constantly. I don't know about you as a mom of young children, but sleeping is a challenge. The mind never really shuts off. Right. But there's a book that I read several years ago ⁓ called Sacred Rest by Dr. Sandra Dalton Smith. She talks about the seven types of rest that humans need. It's a game changer. Because some of the rest that we might need is not physical, it might be emotional rest. And what is that? When we carry other people's emotions, and we don't allow other people to emotionally support us. ⁓ We might need ⁓ creative rest. And what is that? Right? If you're, if you're in a job where you are expected to be highly creative and you're depleted. Like how do you restore your creative well, right? ⁓ So it's really interesting to think about even if you don't have time to sleep as much as you want, are there other areas of rest that would help you to better operate as a human? Yeah, I like the idea of listening to your body because You know, like I try to set up this ideal morning routine, right? And do a little exercise and do a little of this or that. But sometimes I do feel just the need to sleep in a little if my children will allow. And I think that's something that I'm actually recently allowing myself to do, right? Instead of like, ⁓ the best way to start the day is with exercise. OK, great. If you can, you know. And I know a lot of moms will relate because the mornings are not always easy. ⁓ And maybe you can't even choose either one in the morning, right? But just even giving yourself that permission to say, okay, sleep in a little or journal a little or just take some moments to be in silence before the house wakes up. You know, there's a lot of different options to take, but all are kind of productive in the way of giving you maybe the rest that you need. Yeah. Amazing. And then if there anything else. No, I do think that we give our energy constantly and we're always trying to learn and grow and become and take care of other people. Yeah. And giving yourself permission just to not do that for a few minutes is really brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think this would be so helpful for mothers listening. ⁓ There's some good Practical nuggets in here too ⁓ Anything else you want mothers to know before we leave or anything about your? Flux and flow coaching practice I I will tell you a little bit about my practice, but before I do I want to share just something that kept me ⁓ Not saying saying it's not the right word, but it was something I used to tell myself when I was parenting Mm-hmm. I used to and I told my husband this a lot as well Parenting is the one thing in life you do that you do not know how you're doing for 25 years. And even at 25 years, you might not know how you're doing. ⁓ know, knowing that you're giving, you're doing your best, you're doing your best with the resources you have at the time. And just have faith that you know how to parent, that your heart and soul know what your children need. And then if you can learn what you need, it will be a much more enjoyable parenting journey. Yes. I think that's so wise and just such a great way to end, to fill your cup up so that you can actually enjoy the process a little bit. And allow yourself to figure it out as you go along. Yeah, that grace. Yeah. Yes. And so in my practice, ⁓ my business is Flex and Flow Professional Coaching and I ⁓ coach high performing women. I coach men too, but primarily my client base is women who are either unlearning all the things that ⁓ made them successful but now exhaust them. do a lot of burnout coaching and recovery work. ⁓ and really trying to teach people to befriend your four intelligences. Cognitive, mental intelligence, your heart intelligence, your intuition, and then spiritual, which I always define as something bigger than yourself. Because we are filled with intelligence. And when we only rely on our head, we miss out on three other areas of intelligence. Fascinating, I feel like I could talk to you forever. ⁓ Where can we find Flux and Flow in case anyone's looking? And then also, let's mention the name of your podcast. Sure, I will. So I, ⁓ in the social world, I hang out a lot on LinkedIn and Instagram. Great. My website ⁓ is visitor-friendly, I hope, and it's fluxandflowcoaching.com. And my podcast is Beautiful Work, Beautiful Life. We drop a new episode every Monday and I have a podcast partner also named Laurel. All of our talk is about inner work to create a beautiful life. And we talk about everything from boundaries to ease to relationships to unlearning and becoming. It's a lot of fun. Well, thank you for sharing a little bit about how to create a beautiful life with us today. Well, thank you for having me. It was really fun and great conversation. Yes. This is Maria and you've been listening to That Mom. Thank you for being here. If this episode resonated, share it with a mom who needs it too. And if you're ready for more, your next episode is waiting because every conversation here is meant to empower you to live better.