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Episode 91: Discussing the Clone Wars "Citadel Arc" Part 2: Counterattack · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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  I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi
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  way as long as it's not all things Anakin.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of most.
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  Thanks Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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  and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Lauren, and I'm
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  your host Leanne, and this week, we are carrying on, with our
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  Citadel conversation. This is the counter-attack,
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  episode is the second of the three.
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  Yeah, more shit happens. More shit.
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  Goes down. A lot of shit goes down.
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  Sad, sad, heartbreaking, stuff. This is a, it's the Crux of the
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  three. Three.
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  So I'm not surprised. It's this weird mix of like
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  horrible stuff and everyone looks beautiful.
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  Well, that is a good point, isn't it?
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  Truly though, the lighting on this planet, does things to a
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  lot of these Jedi. Yeah, they look really hot.
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  They look even good. A SoCal looks hot.
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  Everybody is just gorgeous. And I'm here for it.
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  Tarkin doesn't look hot. No, no dark.
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  And looks like a frail. Whisper of a human.
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  For those of you who love my Wheezy laugh.
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  Oh, God wasn't expecting. That he is a whisper of a human,
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  isn't he? I can't.
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  He's all gaunt and thin and annoying.
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  He is. He is so annoying.
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  He is sour. He's a sour human being and I
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  Love to hate him on the side. Yeah, he's look we can't deny
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  the impact, he's had in cinema, you know in cinematic history
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  and if this is his debut it's a hell of a debut because he is he
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  is true to himself in these episodes as we know him in the
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  brief time that we know him in a New Hope.
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  Yeah, in fact I think the New Hope isn't Luke.
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  It's actually the fact that Target God bless.
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  That's it away. There's A New Hope in the galaxy
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  and it's one that doesn't involve him.
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  Oh my God. Yes.
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  Because he even like in bad bad. She's a monster the monster,
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  which I find really funny because after watching this
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  episode, you see how Harkin is a coward?
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  Totally. Totally.
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  He's always like pressed against the wall like afraid of being
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  near the edge and wouldn't ya? It starts up, he hides and like,
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  well, a Soca runs to the front to protect everybody Harkin goes
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  to hide. And he has the nerve to question
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  like the Jedi and their involvement in all of this.
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  Is it because you feel small Tarkin?
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  Yeah. What is his rank down?
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  Is he just a commander right now?
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  I actually don't remember. I don't either, but he's a wimp
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  clearly, he goes up in the ranks because his friends with
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  Palpatine. Does anyone remember the
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  Seinfeld I sewed where there's George Costanza said a house
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  party and there's a fire in the apartment and he's the first one
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  to run out of the apartment and he pushes the grandma out of the
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  way to get out of that. Is that is Target oh my God.
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  You're so right Darkness, George Costanza Chuck.
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  It is George Costanza in an apartment fire is screaming,
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  fire fire. Just knock a guy from harming
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  people. Have the Jesus.
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  You're so right though. Oh, and I think we see that even
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  more in the next one, we're like the.
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  Hmm. The threat kind of closes in on
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  him. He uses other people as like a
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  shield to protect himself because he never lifts a finger
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  to protect himself. No, he's all talk.
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  Yeah, and he talks a lot. He does.
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  He's like an orator for sure. Yeah.
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  I I think there's a comic though that talks about his past and he
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  has like this, I have not read it, so I could be completely
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  talking out of turn. But it seemed that there was
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  some sort of like, really brutal rite of passage or something in
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  his childhood like his childhood home or something.
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  Where he's supposed to really beat a person bare fisted or
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  something like that. I don't know if I'm accurate on
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  this. It's one of those newer Comics,
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  you remember they had the series where was like Heroes of the
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  Republic villain. Yeah.
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  The republic or whatever it was. Yeah and that's I think that's
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  in the Tarkin one, which I want to read Because I read it now.
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  I'm curious because Thing implies he's like a bit of a
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  weenie when it comes to like physical stuff but maybe not.
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  Maybe that's just a choice that he doesn't need to exert the
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  effort because there's other people to do it for him.
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  He's totally the type to surround himself.
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  We see it in this episode and the next one, he's, he's
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  exactly. As you said when shit goes down,
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  he cowers back and hides and stuff.
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  And, and he would totally surround himself with the Upper
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  people to ensure his safety while never lifting a finger to
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  ensure it himself. Mmm.
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  Yeah. Would watch Anakin Ahsoka the
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  Clones all go down before he ever lifted a finger to save
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  himself. That's what I believe.
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  I think so too. And and not even maybe because
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  he's a coward or maybe because he's so calculating, that he'll
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  preserve his own energy until he has to use it, you know, it's
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  just either way, he's a really interesting.
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  So, Annoying character annoying. But that's not to say, we don't
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  appreciate the voice actor and what he brings to this character
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  because he's His Name Escapes me now.
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  But do you happen to remember because he's fantastic at it, he
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  brings that dry annoying like spoiled child are to the voice.
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  Hmm, I think it's Stephen Stanton is who does his voice?
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  That's how it's absolute sounds, right?
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  Yeah, he's great. I think he might be the guy who
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  voice is 0. B, 1 in Rebels.
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  I got to look now because that's crazy.
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  What? Yeah, cuz they were gonna use.
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  I think they were going to use James Arnold Taylor, Maybe not.
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  But then, they had someone in the office or in like the studio
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  while Sam Witwer was reading his lines and they just used whoever
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  was there at the time, how interesting and they liked it so
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  much. They just decided to use that
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  actor as Obi-Wan because he was doing The voice.
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  So effectively, see the talents of a voice actor.
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  Right? It's crazy.
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  Ya. Stephen Stanton.
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  Voiced Ben Kenobi in Revelation 2.
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  Wow, that's amazing. Well it was only a few lines.
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  So he did a great job and honestly I don't hear Tarkin in
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  his ob1 at all. So that's I mean, is so
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  mind-blowing how good these voice actors are?
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  Well, the name of this episode is counter-attack because
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  basically the Citadel itself, Of is counter-attacking.
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  He can't sing causing problems for the very Savvy.
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  Clones and Jedi who are there to rescue these annoying asses of
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  Target. Well, he's the only noise really
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  because Evan peel is is not annoying.
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  He's lovely know. He's, he's a badass.
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  He's a little tough solid creature.
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  I don't know the name of his species.
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  I don't either. But he's tough, and he's
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  awesome. And he is Hardy to the very end.
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  This is the episode that we lose Echo, right?
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  There's where we think we do. That's the my God, it's so
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  awful. If you haven't seen the last and
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  it's fast, it is it's fast and they don't linger.
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  No, they don't linger for anybody, anyone who dies,
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  because like, we've had a lot to keep moving with.
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  We've got to keep going now. That we know bad batch.
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  Hmm. Did you happen to read what they
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  think? Or have theorized what happened
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  to Echo after he allegedly died. There what happened?
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  Apparently, I don't it's really graphic but there's like there's
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  theories and artwork about it online and it's very troubling
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  to look at. And read just the tortures stuff
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  that he went through. It makes I love him so dearly.
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  Yeah, who we learn about in bad batch?
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  Like who he becomes after the fact, after all of this.
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  But this is the episode where he dies and they do leave them and
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  they don't really show too much that he's dead.
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  So I can see why they brought him back in a sense, and did he
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  die or, and they brought him back to life.
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  Or did they did? He not die?
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  He just barely held on. I, I noticed you after the
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  explosion, they cut to Echoes helmet falling on the ground.
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  Yes. And right next to it is a Droid
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  arm. The symbol is yeah.
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  I was like I don't know if they had his story planned out if
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  they did and that was foreshadowing.
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  That's fucking brilliant. Yeah, that is brilliant.
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  Oh you know what I'm sure Dave. Filoni like Drew something?
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  You know he has a drawing somewhere.
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  Yeah, probably where I bet you he he knows his material so well
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  that he would look at that and it would Inspire him or or maybe
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  there was Is some Force. I who knows?
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  That's a lot of force. Yeah.
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  Like 10 years or longer. Yeah, that's crazy.
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  What if they went back and looked at it and said, hey, wait
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  a second. Look at this.
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  Maybe we can pull from this, you know, well, knowing George
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  Lucas. It was planned out for a really
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  long time. Well, that's a whole other
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  story. Yeah.
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  Like you know it's just a font of information that just never
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  ends. I brilliant anyway.
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  Jedi split up in this episode and it's chaos.
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  Hmm, just constant chaos. Yeah, Anakin is leading Tarkin
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  and his group through the underground tunnels and op1 is
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  going through the building through the, like, the vents in
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  the events. It's never good.
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  It never works. Nope.
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  And it doesn't work. In this case, they can't make it
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  to the ship. They almost make it to the ship.
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  If yeah, that no one is having a good time.
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  No, no. They keep going to places that
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  no one wants to Vacation. You know, their planets out
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  there that I would love to vacation at.
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  This is not one of them, is no one of them know they're like
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  apart from Echo. There's also a couple other
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  horrible clone death, they're terrible and they just leave
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  them. Yes, I'm hearing one of them.
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  There's nothing you could do couldn't know, carry that.
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  It would he was literally cut in half by the Doors.
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  That is one of the most horrifying things I've seen on
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  that show. Yeah.
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  And they didn't look you don't have so you don't have to see
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  it. It's just I don't know.
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  Heidi is plenty implied, it's it is terrible.
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  Although I love how Master peel can really climb.
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  Oh my gosh, yes, I know everyone's Rogers is right up
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  there like a little like a little troll.
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  He's just a little like Zippy troll going up the going up the
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  shaft there, whatever. That thing is the You know, and
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  that was pretty. That's awful.
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  It was badass that when he was going after the Droid and cut it
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  in half, if he could go that fast.
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  Why was he taking his sweet-ass time the whole time?
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  I don't know. I don't know.
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  Yeah and then there's the other clone who gets shot in the head
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  when they're interrogating, peel and Obi-Wan and all of them I
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  just I can't believe some of the stuff they do.
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  I clone or sometimes. Again, it's the classic.
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  Is it a kid show, really? That's, that's pretty good.
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  Graphic it's pretty gruesome. I mean they're careful to not
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  show it explicitly right? But it's plenty.
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  Well when you think of the story of a clone it there's so
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  Expendable at this point. Yeah and I do love how Full
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  Circle we come with bad batch. Hmm.
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  You know even recently even more so in these last couple episodes
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  that just came out. Yeah, but at this point, you can
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  literally see how they were. Born and bred to be Expendable
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  and honestly some of the shit that Tarkin is muttering and
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  Anakin's are. I mean Anakin's like annoyed
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  with him too, but there's just enough truth that makes them
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  pause. You know what I mean?
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  And I do love their little standoff.
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  Yeah, that occurs when they're walking you can almost sense
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  that Anakin is trying to like convince himself that what he's
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  saying back to Target his true. Like defending the Jedi and
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  defending the war and This and their beliefs, and their values
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  and things. But damn the the stark contrast
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  of all of this, plus the expendability of the Clones.
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  It's just kind of it's a little unsettling.
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  Yeah, definitely. Well especially gosh, I wish you
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  could you had Disney plus right now because the last episode of
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  bad batch was all about this, the expendability know, all
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  about it because oh yeah I guess you re o qu Chi is involved.
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  I read it. So I've read all the spoilers
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  I've seen All the clips. I've seen everything I've seen
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  it and I love her and I love what they're doing.
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  It's so smart spoil. We're not going to spoil it.
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  Yeah. Because like the way they bring
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  well spoiler here, I guess but the way they bring Palpatine
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  into the argument of whether or not the Clones are expendable is
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  brilliant. It's super smart and it ties
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  into this what you're talking about right now.
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  It really does and I have I wrote down.
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  What Tarkin Anakin's say to each other because So interested
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  good. It is it really is.
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  It's probably like my favorite moment.
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  There's a lot of moments throughout this, you know, they
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  all look good. There's some great lightsaber
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  things going on. They blow up some rocks.
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  You know? There's a lot of fun things in
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  this episode, but this is like the meat of the episode for me,
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  is there exchange? It is because it's the bigger
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  symbol the bigger argument everything and Tarkin says, he's
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  talking about how he still doesn't Really trust the Jedi,
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  he might trust Anakin but not the Jedi in general and he says
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  I find their tactics ineffective, the Jedi Code
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  prevents them from going far enough to achieve Victory to do,
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  whatever it takes to win, the very reason why peacekeepers
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  should not be leading a war. And Anakin says, I've also found
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  that we sometimes fall short of Victory because of our methods,
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  it's a lot. It's a lot to take in because
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  neither of them are totally, right?
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  And neither of them are totally wrong and it was purposefully
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  written this way, right? But it's the intent behind what
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  they're saying. That is that is what is Anakin
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  mean. Is he agreeing, is he not
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  agreeing is Victory important at the cost of your own morality.
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  Like I mean we're literally watching clones, drop left and
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  right throughout this episode. Yeah, I just it gives me
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  goosebumps. I have a little bit of
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  Goosebumps because what we know ends up happening, it's very
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  interesting. It is and Target.
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  Like you said, tarkan's not really wrong, but it doesn't
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  mean that he is morally, right? Correct.
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  You know, like peacekeepers leading a war and like not doing
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  whatever it takes to win. Is there a circumstance where
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  that's doing? Whatever it takes to win?
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  Like, we say that, that's kind of what the rebels are doing.
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  When they're fighting the Empire, they're doing whatever
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  it takes for win. Oh totally.
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  The I use my enemies. I'm forced to use my enemies
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  weapons. Whatever it was exactly.
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  You haven't written from you. What is this?
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  A, I have it right here. This is luthan speech from.
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  And or what is My Sacrifice? I'm condemned to use the tools
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  of my enemy to defeat them. Exactly.
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  Is it worth it? I burned my decency for someone
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  else's future. I burned my life too.
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  A sunrise that I know I'll never see.
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  So he's admitting right here. Lutheran, is that he burns his
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  decency? Which is what Tarkin is saying
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  is necessary. Sometimes I love the depth of
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  this right now. Do I really do me too?
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  Because this brings up questions throughout Star Wars.
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  We see it in and or not just with Lutheran, but like the
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  means that they go through just save each other one another to
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  preserve. I mean, the Rebellion is Not cut
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  and dry, it's not all good, guys versus all bad guys.
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  Everyone, no matter what side believes in something, right?
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  Right? Exactly.
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  It's the means that they go about executing to reach
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  whatever their belief is that separates good from bad, right?
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  And then there are like, Obi-Wan, I think is a really
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  good character to represent, he doesn't believe that the ends
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  justify the means he has had to do that from time to time, but
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  Admittedly, that's what his argument is to Anakin, when
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  Anakin Falls and Revenge of the Sith saying that you're becoming
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  the thing that you swore to protect everyone against, you're
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  becoming the evil that we're supposed to despise like, yeah.
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  So here's what I think Anakin actually meant when he said that
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  what was the line? He said, I've often found that
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  we, sometimes fall short of Victory because of our methods.
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  So, in my interpretation because we've seen it in episodes
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  throughout the Clone Wars leading up.
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  To this point Anakin would totally finish off somebody.
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  We saw it in the kadavo ark, he had a lightsaber pressed against
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  the zygerrians neck, and he was about to kill the person to get
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  info and Annika. I'm sorry.
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  Ahsoka, stayed his hand? Yeah.
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  In that instance, I think Anakin would have got the info or
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  killed him. No problem without Ahsoka being
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  there. Yes.
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  Yeah, I agree. I think so.
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  And See that in this exchange to because Tarkin says something
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  about Ahsoka, reveals her shortsightedness, when she says
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  the place is horrible, right? And yeah, but then Anakin says
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  he's not wrong. And if so could give him this
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  look like what the fuck? Are you talking about?
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  You and me, and everyone here. Excuse me, like, exactly.
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  I beg your fucking pardon. Yeah.
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  Because again, it was kind of implying that the ends justify
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  the means, like, if we had possession of the No, we'd be
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  putting people in the prison, it's going to exist, whether we
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  own it or the separatists own it, we might as well get our
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  hands on it. And she's like, what are you
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  talking about? I'm sorry.
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  This is a direct link to Lord of the Rings.
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  Everyone said, if we had the ring Boromir said I had the ring
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  in Gondor had the ring. We be able to put it to good use
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  and that is just not even a fucking option, right?
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  It's not an option here because it's not a good thing.
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  The Citadel is not a good thing, the ring wasn't a good thing.
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  It turns Everyone dark essentially, it corrupted them,
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  because its purpose. Its purpose is Darkness.
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  Yes, exactly. Yes God.
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  I love Lord of the Rings. Sorry, first thing I thought of
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  was like, everybody was just like, well if we had that as a
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  weapon, we could defeat him hand over fist.
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  It's like not so much. No that's not how this works.
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  Same thing with a fucking prison.
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  It's gonna corrupt you if you're part of it.
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  Yeah. It So smart.
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  I love it so much. I know it's so good.
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  This is this isn't so much about breaking down the episode but
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  breaking down the fucking hidden.
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  The hidden gems that are embedded throughout this
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  episode. Yeah.
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  They're telling a story through the means of like separating the
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  Jedi and having them try to get out of this situation that they
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  found themselves in. But it's really the underlying
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  the undercurrent here is what is actually going on and you said
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  it last week with the colors and the symbolism that.
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  Underneath there's an undercurrent of nastiness and
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  poison and it's the same theme in this episode 2.
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  Yeah. Yeah I that's why I love Clone
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  Wars because you can watch it for entertainment.
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  It's fun. There's fun action.
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  It's funny. There's the constant bickering
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  between Obi-Wan and Anakin and Obi-Wan or Anakin Ahsoka.
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  It's funny that too but then if you want to start digging down,
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  you start to see how it's it's not even, it doesn't even have
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  to Of to be on purpose. In Star Wars, the nature of the
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  kind of stories that Star Wars tells tie into these kind of
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  more morality questions, so it's always there.
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  You can always start to dig in and look for them and that's why
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  you can tie and or to clone wars and they were never intended to
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  be connected. There's no way that was possibly
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  Tony Gilroy probably had no idea what Clone Wars was about.
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  Yes, no reverence for strong horse at all.
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  Oh, he is just brilliant and good at what he does.
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  A story can be told without direct connections because if
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  there's a theme, you can present that.
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  It's, it's all Humanity truly. Yeah.
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  It is, it's a mirror to and it doesn't matter if the humans are
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  in space or not. So exactly.
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  I love Star Wars. Oh my God.
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  It's why we have a podcast, the only other observation I I had
• 22:30
  was about the landscape because we're like in it more than this.
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  Yes we are. And I know one thing that I love
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  about clone wars and it's animation which we take for
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  granted if you watch other cartoons.
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  Nobody Does this is that they create cinematic atmosphere.
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  So there's like little specks Of Cinders floating in the air and
• 22:52
  like the light changes. No one takes time to do that
• 22:56
  sort of thing except clone wars and it You're very right.
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  It's so beautiful and unnecessary, but it really is a
• 23:04
  beautiful addition. And then I kind of noticed that
• 23:07
  the landscape looks like sea corals and sea scallop.
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  I do ever. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's almost like it was a notion
• 23:15
  that was revealed. I don't know.
• 23:17
  I just, it looks really neat. Well, that reminds me of the
• 23:20
  desert Southwest, oh, of the United States.
• 23:24
  Which was once an ocean and all of those rocks in the, the
• 23:28
  formations in the And and the sagebrush and all of that was
• 23:31
  all ocean at one point. Yeah.
• 23:33
  And now it's this beautiful. You know the Grand Canyon alone
• 23:37
  if you will. Yeah.
• 23:39
  You can find shark teeth. Sometimes it not.
• 23:41
  I don't know if you're drinking and but even here in Illinois,
• 23:43
  if you dig in some of the Sandstone, yeah, you can find
• 23:46
  shark teeth. It's like prehistoric, pretty
• 23:48
  crazy. Now you got me wondering about
• 23:52
  geology on this planet. I'm curious about the Star Wars
• 23:58
  Planet Lola, Lola. So you know what?
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  If it would have been her name was Lola.
• 24:04
  She was an ocean. It's all right.
• 24:10
  I'm not continuing. That's odd.
• 24:14
  Oh my God. It could have been made.
• 24:16
  Who knows? Maybe that was the catastrophic
• 24:18
  event that exposed. The world's core.
• 24:21
  I love it. Oh, if it was heated up from the
• 24:23
  center and there's all that magma in the center and it
• 24:26
  evaporated the oceans and then write it erupted.
• 24:30
  That could happen boiled away the Seas.
• 24:32
  Wow, I love that. I love that so much.
• 24:34
  That's crazy. But now, is it an obvious
• 24:37
  connection to Mustafar and Anakin's future?
• 24:40
  And the fact that Tarkin he meets Tarkin on a lava Planet,
• 24:44
  could be all these terrible things happen on lava planets.
• 24:48
  That's cause it's not a safe place to hang out.
• 24:51
  So it's not what am I saying? I mean, it's amazing.
• 24:57
  It's beautiful. It's actually instead of Div
• 25:00
  lava is actually creating it does but very much does it'll
• 25:05
  still burn your bones away if you touch it it's a perfect
• 25:14
  location to meet Tarkin it really is.
• 25:17
  Yeah it is so much because of that symbolism of it being one
• 25:23
  thing on the surface and dangerous underneath you know,
• 25:28
  that's so Target but it's you. Could say the same thing about
• 25:31
  Anakin and that hurts my heart. Okay.
• 25:33
  Yeah, you're so right. Oh my God, it's true.
• 25:35
  There's two different. There's two different things at
• 25:38
  play here, though. Target is inherently bad Anakin
• 25:42
  struggled and then went through phases.
• 25:45
  Yeah, it's a phase, it's a phase.
• 25:51
  It lasted, most of his daughter, Maria, 40 years, phase of
• 25:54
  Cruelty and evil but he'll grow out of it.
• 25:57
  I swear. Sorry.
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  But I mean, like, I don't think well, you could make the
• 26:03
  argument that nobody's evil when they're born.
• 26:05
  Well, in in mythology, there definitely is the character who
• 26:09
  is born to destroy. Like they're these their fate
• 26:14
  so, and from the episodes we've done about the, what is it?
• 26:19
  I was going to say the fates reach, it's not the face, what
• 26:23
  is it? The midi-chlorians the wills,
• 26:26
  the wills the wills? Yeah, that they Created Anakin
• 26:31
  on purpose to be the chosen one to fall.
• 26:35
  I know be redeemed, like it's all on purpose.
• 26:39
  So it that's what's so heartbreaking, as he tried to be
• 26:42
  good for so long, even though he was never intended to be for his
• 26:47
  whole life, I have a bone to pick with the will because yeah
• 26:51
  and and yes, I'm speaking about the wheels but with a much
• 26:56
  larger sense in my life so I have a bone to pick with the
• 26:59
  Wheels in the fact that how dare you pluck, an innocent person
• 27:06
  and say, you will be the instrument of countless deaths,
• 27:09
  countless pain suffering Etc because we need something else
• 27:13
  to happen. Yeah.
• 27:15
  Is that how everything works? If that's the case.
• 27:17
  What the fuck is going on? This is a much larger and I'm
• 27:23
  not smart enough to talk about it subject, but I have
• 27:25
  questions. You're reminding me that like
• 27:27
  even Judas, right? It was right.
• 27:31
  Chosen to be the betrayer like he did choose that.
• 27:35
  Like that's what happened. I mean, maybe he made choices
• 27:38
  that led to that but it was like his Destiny to do that.
• 27:42
  Hooray, when they're born would would say this is the life, I'm
• 27:46
  going to pick for myself. I'm gonna betray and murder even
• 27:53
  by proxy by accident and then go mad and hang myself in the
• 27:57
  desert. Like no one picks that when
• 27:59
  they're born. And, you know, so there are
• 28:01
  these, these characters that are faded for these awful things and
• 28:05
  at least and at least Anakin got to redeem himself, not everyone
• 28:09
  gets that in mythology at least, you know, it's true.
• 28:14
  I mean, we've talked about it with Obi-Wan, like, why so much
• 28:16
  pain and loss in one person's life?
• 28:19
  Well, it's shapes it, you know, in Buddhism, suffering, leads to
• 28:24
  Enlightenment, you can't grow. Without the pain, and the
• 28:28
  suffering. Right.
• 28:30
  So there's there's so many things we could talk about.
• 28:33
  Seriously, I was like, this is, how did we get here?
• 28:35
  I have no deep. It is a really is God the Clone
• 28:39
  Wars man. Right?
• 28:42
  Right shit. Our audience question this week,
• 28:52
  is it goes back to what we were talking about.
• 28:55
  Do you think they already had a plan for Echo when This episode
• 29:01
  was written and filmed and produced, what do you think?
• 29:06
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• 29:10
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• 29:13
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• 29:16
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• 29:23
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• 29:26
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