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Tigs Farm Report With TMLR's Rogelio Castillo · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger's Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Tarotad and work.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Detroit Tiger's Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Kieren Steckley, Cody Stavenhagen as always, and we have
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  Speaker 1: a guest here that I'm very excited about bringing onto
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. We get questions Cody and I it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: like with the farm system, like you know, who.
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  Speaker 2: Do I trust?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, with respect to Keith Law, with respect
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  Speaker 1: to Kylie McDaniel, with respect to Baseball America and MLB pipeline,
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  Speaker 1: all these things, there's really only one entity that comes
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  Speaker 1: to mind, and that is Tiger's Minor League Report. And
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  Speaker 1: we got co owner Rahelio Castillo with us right now
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  Speaker 1: joining the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Roger, Rahelio, what's up man? How you doing well?
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  Speaker 3: Pretty well? Tilman, it's been it's been a while, And
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  Speaker 3: I wish I would have had my coaster that I
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  Speaker 3: or the little blomorkoozie for the old podcast time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: those are it's it's saved somewhere. We're just we do
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  Speaker 3: in our kitchen over here. So it is among my
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  Speaker 3: regular coast or couzy rotation.
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  Speaker 4: So it was for a cultural phenomenon hold on to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are awesome hanging on the wall in the
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  Speaker 1: background there, and it'll be worth some money someday. All right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think the simplest way to start out this episode
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit of background on you and your team,
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  Speaker 1: because it really is a team that you guys have
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  Speaker 1: there at tm LR. So just kind of give us
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of background, how long you've been doing this,
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  Speaker 1: and then just kind of like what goes into like
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  Speaker 1: putting together like lists and scotten reports and recaps and
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  Speaker 1: I mean, everything's there, so how does it happen?
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  Speaker 3: So we started this as an idea in twenty eighteen
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  Speaker 3: when Chris was over at Takes Town, which was another website,
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  Speaker 3: and they were kind of shutting it down a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: and so Chris and I have been doing a podcast
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  Speaker 3: for a little while under my old identity Sports to Detroit,
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  Speaker 3: and so we were approached by a gentleman by the
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  Speaker 3: name of A Ken and James Chipman, who was writing
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  Speaker 3: Scout and we learned a lot from Chipman. He was
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  Speaker 3: the guy who really taught us how to write reports.
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  Speaker 3: And we started this in twenty nineteen with the idea
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  Speaker 3: of providing minor league coverage, both Chris and I. Growing up,
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  Speaker 3: I was a big minor league person watching we Detroit
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  Speaker 3: News reading wind Henning, which is rather ironic, which for
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  Speaker 3: reasons that are just between us, US and all and so,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, there was It was a lot of times
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  Speaker 3: where it was looking up, you know, living during the
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  Speaker 3: Ranny Smith era that the farm system became a thing.
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  Speaker 3: And so I've always been obsessed with the miners and
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  Speaker 3: our goal was to create independent, in depth coverage of
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  Speaker 3: the Tiger minor league system. We thought there was a
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  Speaker 3: void there for it. The goal is, are really the
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  Speaker 3: highlight prospects that fly on the radar of mainstream outlets,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, Keith Law does great work, and all
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  Speaker 3: these guys do the names you mentioned earlier do great work.
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  Speaker 3: But we wanted to make sure that his names in there.
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  Speaker 3: And this is during the Abula period where we were
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  Speaker 3: also not afraid to say, hey, you know what, this
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  Speaker 3: guy isn't good and or we look at draft patterns
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  Speaker 3: and what have you like. For example, there's always a
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  Speaker 3: running joke that the Tigers would get somebody from LSU
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  Speaker 3: or somebody from the Great Plain State, whether it's Creighton
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  Speaker 3: and what have you, and so and having podcasts and
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  Speaker 3: live discussions. And at first we were really kind of
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  Speaker 3: audio based, and then when we started going on YouTube
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  Speaker 3: and we started noticing we were we took it really seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Then we started doing clips and it just kind of
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  Speaker 3: took off from there, and and then you know, having
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  Speaker 3: conversations with JJ Cooper or Baseball America and some of
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  Speaker 3: the and getting to know some of the local beat writers.
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  Speaker 3: We wanted to make sure that we were unbiased. We
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to say, hey, this guy is great and
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  Speaker 3: when he really wasn't. So we wanted to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that we're trusted with that, and so Chris has been.
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  Speaker 3: Chris Brown is one of my favorite people of all
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  Speaker 3: time because he is a guy sees things what I
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  Speaker 3: don't see, and we both play off each other. And
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  Speaker 3: Jerry and the rest of our team is we have
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  Speaker 3: a young guy named Collins to really good nerdy people,
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  Speaker 3: and I get along with these nerdy guys and I'm
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  Speaker 3: proud of my staff immensely.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tiger's Minor League Report really is a great resource.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think every market has, you know, an independent
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  Speaker 4: outlet covering the minor leagues with this level of depth.
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  Speaker 4: You guys have your own top thirty that provides probably
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  Speaker 4: more info than the mainstream outlets. It's almost a crutch
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  Speaker 4: for me. I focus obviously much more on the major
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  Speaker 4: league team and do some national stuff, but I know
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  Speaker 4: what's going on in the minor league system and don't
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  Speaker 4: have to worry maybe about checking the box scores every
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  Speaker 4: night because Tigers Minor League Report has it covered. If
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  Speaker 4: something down there is happening that I need to know about,
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  Speaker 4: I'm getting it from you guys. And so really it's
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  Speaker 4: just a great unique resource that this market has. The
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  Speaker 4: timing was great during a rebuild during a lot of
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  Speaker 4: prospects who didn't pan out and some that have and
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  Speaker 4: now the team's good, and hey, this farm systems still
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  Speaker 4: pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a system that I mean, historically speaking,
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  Speaker 3: Cody has been bad. I mean, I'm not let's not
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  Speaker 3: mint words here, right, Like, there's always been this great
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  Speaker 3: debate about they're in the browse hero him emptying up
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  Speaker 3: the farm system to get players to keep themselves competitive,
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  Speaker 3: which is absolutely true. But even then, the prospects that
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  Speaker 3: the system was never deep, and it has not been
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  Speaker 3: deep since the nineteen seventies. So you're looking at a
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  Speaker 3: history here where this is a team that, for example,
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  Speaker 3: the W affiliate the Montgomery Rebels, won five titles in
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  Speaker 3: seven years in the seventies. I'll think about that for
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  Speaker 3: a second. That will be making more headlines now. But
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  Speaker 3: how the minor leagues is completely different in the seventies
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  Speaker 3: than they are now. But Lakeland, Lakeland, Montgomery both won
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  Speaker 3: championships in nineteen seventy seven. Evansville, their Triple A affiliate
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  Speaker 3: at the time, won the championship even seventy eight. So
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  Speaker 3: this is a team like Leland, Yeah, Jim Leland, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we would won a championship with Lakeland and Evansville. So
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  Speaker 3: there is a lot of a good history here, you know,
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  Speaker 3: But it stops at seventy nine all the way till now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, I mean, like there's been some
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  Speaker 3: stops in between, Like Andrew Graham's done a really good job.
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  Speaker 3: He led West Michigan to a title. There's been there's
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  Speaker 3: been glimps. Therere blimps, if you will, But the fact
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  Speaker 3: that now, you know, for example, going to West Michigan
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago and hearing Isaac Pacheco and
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  Speaker 3: somebody these guys saying, hey, we're eating nutritious food. And
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of these things we'll get to you
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  Speaker 3: in a second. But the fact is is that the
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  Speaker 3: reason why we get so excited about this is they
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  Speaker 3: have guys. It's not just one or two guys. It's
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  Speaker 3: eight to nine to ten guys are part of the
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  Speaker 3: roster now, which is incredible and really unheard of until recently.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Dobrowski thing was always like I
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  Speaker 1: came across sometimes as like an ala Vila, like apologists
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  Speaker 1: in a way, because he did have to take something
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  Speaker 1: that like it was an unfortunate position with the major
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  Speaker 1: league team. It was just kind of reaching its end.
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  Speaker 1: And then also that there was just nothing in the
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  Speaker 1: cupboard and and and you have to and he did
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  Speaker 1: have to start from scratching a lot of areas. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we we've seen you're one of the things you're really
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  Speaker 1: good at on social media. RAJ is like contextualizing all
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  Speaker 1: these things like Riley Green is the has the most
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  Speaker 1: home runs of a Tiger's draft pick. Since you know
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  Speaker 1: so and so and so and so and and that
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  Speaker 1: really puts it in perspective. And so I guess maybe
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  Speaker 1: this is opportunity is there like one flower, two flowers,
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  Speaker 1: like can can Ala Vila get a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Of flowers for some of the things that have happened.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna put it out there
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  Speaker 1: right now. Like all those guys you mentioned, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them are Villa additions.
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  Speaker 3: Just yeah, No, he does get to deserve a couple
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  Speaker 3: of flowers because the guy has always been a of
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  Speaker 3: always had the ability to evaluate talent, going back to
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  Speaker 3: those days with the Marlins. I mean, you look at
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  Speaker 3: some of the Marlins. The construction of the nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 3: seven Marlins roster was stuff that Avila scouted. I think
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  Speaker 3: that for Villa he hits a bum rap. But I
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  Speaker 3: think when you descend to a certain plateau of a GM,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you're not the same guy who would go out
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  Speaker 3: in fifty three weather and scout the's or I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: thirty five degree weather and scout these guys you know
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  Speaker 3: in Kane County, Illinois, or whatever the case is. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think that he started trusting people, and his
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  Speaker 3: trust maybe perhaps you know, maybe let him down. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying names or anything, but the point is
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  Speaker 3: is that I think with a Villa he does deserve
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of credit. Does he deserve all the credit? No,
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  Speaker 3: because guys like Bryan Garko and others have taken the
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  Speaker 3: you know, for them to change the dorms for the
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  Speaker 3: first time since nineteen seventy two, or doing things as
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  Speaker 3: like common sense, as putting covers where the bullpen pitching is,
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that, where you're just like, oh, wow, that's
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  Speaker 3: common sense. The Tigers weren't doing that, and it's no
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  Speaker 3: offense to anybody beforehand, but they're doing a little like
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  Speaker 3: as much as we you know, Skyharris gets a lot
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  Speaker 3: of grief sometimes about a lot of things. I don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: There's one thing he's fundamentally done, the little things, especially
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  Speaker 3: with them spending more money and there's a new DSL academy,
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  Speaker 3: a new Dominican Republican or yeah, there's a new academy coming,
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  Speaker 3: a new building, new facilities. Things like that matter because
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  Speaker 3: you know, if Randy Smith, for example, was the first
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  Speaker 3: GM to bring in computers in like ninety six ninety seven,
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  Speaker 3: when other organizations like the Dodgers and Pirates were doing
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  Speaker 3: things internationally for a long time, the Tigers haven't always
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  Speaker 3: been late to the game, and so I think that
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  Speaker 3: Avila did what he could, but he didn't get a
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  Speaker 3: chance to finish.
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  Speaker 2: The job now and Nord did he deserve it?
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  Speaker 1: And the twenty twenty class is something that at least
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  Speaker 1: he should get some credit for too, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: addition to all the crazy things in the world he did.
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  Speaker 1: Yet you know, Torque and Keith and who am I
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  Speaker 1: missing from that twenty twenty class and Dingler? Yeah absolutely, so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's certainly worth noting. We are going to take a
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  Speaker 1: quick break and then we are going to get into
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  Speaker 1: more of the depths of the current Tigers farm system.
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  Speaker 2: All right, coming back here.
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  Speaker 1: I had to interrupt Cody, so we get to a
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  Speaker 1: break there because I know we're just gonna go on tangents,
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  Speaker 1: and we got to make sure we take care of
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  Speaker 1: the people that take care of us. So Cody start
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  Speaker 1: for interrupting, But where were.
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  Speaker 4: You gonna go? H, I don't even remember. I'll just
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  Speaker 4: try to give a thirty second like addending them to
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  Speaker 4: the a Vila conversation. Like a. Villa's tenure was a
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  Speaker 4: mess man. There were a ton of mistakes. There were
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  Speaker 4: an incredible amount of little things. This organization was doing poorly.
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  Speaker 4: But I could see signs of some of these him
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  Speaker 4: getting some of these things right toward the end, especially
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  Speaker 4: after bringing in aj Hinch and then Ryan Garko. I
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  Speaker 4: always thought of you as one of his strengths was
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  Speaker 4: the ability to delegate some of the people like you
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  Speaker 4: kind of alluded to Raj. They delegated to probably let
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  Speaker 4: him down. Toward the end, he was delegating to better people.
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  Speaker 4: The organization was getting in a better place, better decisions
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  Speaker 4: were being made, but there are too many mistakes along
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  Speaker 4: the way, a lot of little things that weren't like
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  Speaker 4: They're like their systems were not in a good place.
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  Speaker 4: Scott Harris, I think understands the systems required to build
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  Speaker 4: an organization. I think maybe that's one of his chief strengths.
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  Speaker 4: Now like Avilla, can he make trades at the major
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  Speaker 4: league level. Can he can I guess he has constructor
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  Speaker 4: a winner at the major league level, but can he
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  Speaker 4: put the finishing touches on a major league roster? Kind
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  Speaker 4: of just like Alavila. Those are some of the questions
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  Speaker 4: that are are still out with Scott Harris. But like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think under the Harris regime, the Tigers are
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  Speaker 4: going to be an organization that is behind the curve,
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  Speaker 4: like like systems are the thing that Tigers have become
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  Speaker 4: really good at.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And if you I remember when the Tigers
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  Speaker 3: rolled out the whole Caesar system and how much of
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  Speaker 3: a big deal it was and all in reality was
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  Speaker 3: just an input, you know, just a data input thing.
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  Speaker 3: It was a thing where now you see actual models
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, going back and checking things out
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  Speaker 3: and going okay, we can fix you know, for example,
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  Speaker 3: okay with how they done with Jack Flaherty and looking
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  Speaker 3: at his shoulder and how they were able to bring
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  Speaker 3: back his angle a little bit. There's actual proof of
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  Speaker 3: things versus just saying, hey, Caesar, oh we have this
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  Speaker 3: tower computer information.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lot easier to write about and cover back
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  Speaker 4: then because they would love to show off, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we finally have a database. I was a couple of
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  Speaker 4: years after that, but and now they don't want you
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  Speaker 4: to know much of anything, so so there's always an overcorrection, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember when Lance Parish was a manager of
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  Speaker 3: West Michigan and he were Chris and I were talking
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  Speaker 3: him after the game. This is like twenty we first started,
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  Speaker 3: and he was like, I'll have to put some stuff
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  Speaker 3: in and we see him like doing the like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: God bless Lance Paris. It's just like putting. He's like,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta put this in real quick, guys, hang on,
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  Speaker 3: and uh, it was it was, it was. It was
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  Speaker 3: a funny moment because it was just like how far
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  Speaker 3: you know, like technology is here, the new wave, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Glad the organization has gotten over their y two K fears.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's good.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to the meat and potatoes of the farm system.
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  Speaker 1: And that is the big three, of course, Kevin McGonagall,
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  Speaker 1: Max Clark, and uh and Holts Way Rassinio. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with McGonagall because he's the he's the headliner. Uh I
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  Speaker 1: I think I want to start out the discussion this way.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McGonagall could be a blank MLB player right now. Now,
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  Speaker 1: either one of you guys can answer this one. But
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  Speaker 1: he could be a blank MLB player right now. I
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  Speaker 1: think that, and then we can kind of parse it
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  Speaker 1: from there. Well, So if I say that sentence, what
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  Speaker 1: what comes to mind?
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say just a bench MLB player right now
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  Speaker 3: because I think he's not ready, you know, like he's
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  Speaker 3: McGonagall has a polish hit tool. I mean, he has
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  Speaker 3: one of the best hit tools I've ever seen in
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  Speaker 3: the minor league. He's got really good play discipline. But
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  Speaker 3: he's a guy who, at the same time, were with
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  Speaker 3: some witnessing right now a tough stretch format. He's like
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  Speaker 3: been two for last twenty one or something like that
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  Speaker 3: that we would post as a stat about. He rolls
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  Speaker 3: the ball over too much to the right side at
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  Speaker 3: this point right now, and teams I saw him live
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  Speaker 3: a few weeks ago in Erie, and teams are having
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  Speaker 3: a plan. They're not giving him a fastball because they
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  Speaker 3: know that he could. I mean, he took the prospect
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  Speaker 3: of the Nationals one or two deep to right field
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  Speaker 3: to a building across the street. He still needs reps
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  Speaker 3: against highlerve pitching, which means that essentially he has to
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  Speaker 3: be a regular everyday player, defensive refinement a little bit
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  Speaker 3: where I think he he sometimes struggles with the routine play,
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  Speaker 3: but then a month or so go, I'm out on
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  Speaker 3: Akron and there is a like one of those little
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  Speaker 3: bloopers and he threw a guy home, gun him down
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  Speaker 3: all the way out from shallow left center out at home.
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  Speaker 3: So there's there's tools there. I think he just needs
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  Speaker 3: to It still needs a little process, and everybody's always
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  Speaker 3: saying the biggest three words we were here call him up,
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  Speaker 3: you know, is he is he better in trace for
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  Speaker 3: me right now? Hittel? Oh, absolutely, don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But it still needs work and there's no reason why
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: to rush him. And there was something that that Scott
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Harris mentioned about this, that the rush and they're already
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: a really advanced for his age, and he is, and
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: so right now I think he's just a bench player
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: at at this point.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Right now, I just think I've seen it too many times.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Kevin McGonagall, give him eighty games in the big leagues.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: I think he'd figure things out. But it's just so
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: hard for guys to get off to a good start.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty big team Scott Harris on not calling up
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Kevin mcgonagal right now, And I know that upsets a
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: lot of people, but you've just talked about it. His
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: weaknesses are starting to get exploited a little more in
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: double A. That's the only thing that happens at the
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: major league level. Teams will find whatever hole it is
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: and they will just go after it. Colet Keith, you know,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: great hit tool, great approach. I thought it would translate
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: to the major leagues. It largely has, but got off
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: to a brutal start to his major league career, took
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of time to get going. Is still kind
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: of just now really coming into his own or he's
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: now at a rough second half. Like mcgonagall's needed better
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: hitting prospect than Keith. But the idea that he's going
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: to come up in September and like be the best
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: version of himself, that's asking a lot. It's asking a
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: lot of a young player going forward though, whether it's
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: this year, whether it's next year. Roger is he a shortstop.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I think he has the ability to play short stop
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: in a pinch. I think personally he's better at second base.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: That's just me, that's just my opinion about it. I
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: think he has a range to even possibly you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: you might get some I've seen h take some reps
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: at third. He could play third and short, I think,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: But to me, I think a long term is he's
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: better suited for second base because I think sometimes with
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: like the routine play at short, the left, the right,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: sometimes he struggles with the arm is there. There's no
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: question that he is good arm, but I just worry
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: about his range a little bit. Just I personally think
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: he's better at second base, where his range is perfect.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I think that he is a good enough glove there
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: where it's not gonna be a liability. And not to
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: say he would be a liability as short, but especially
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: like you see some of the athletes that play short
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: for the Tigers right now, you know, I think about
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: like Hobby By, I think about mcconstrut's been getting a
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: lot of the reps there. I think McGonagall is a
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: guy who I think the Tigers are going to do
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: what they do with these infielders, which is put him
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: around multiple positions and not settle for well, oh, technically
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: he's a we don't know what he is and I
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: think that's what I think, that's what they're gonna approach
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: him if he goes a fall ball, then I think
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: he's a guy who will see most of the reps
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: on the left hand, left hand side. But personally, I
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: think he's better suited for second base.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And when it comes to like bringing these guys up,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I tend to like if the if the hit tool
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: is that true, I tend to not want to overwhelm
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: him the glove side. So like, if you're gonna put
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: him in positions where he's gonna fail more, could that
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: also affect the hit tool? You see what I'm saying.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: So like I think, and and and then contractually at
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the major league level, it did. There is a more
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: smooth path to second base for McGonagall if we're looking
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: uh next season and beyond, so be very very curious
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to see uh him. And then his partner in crime
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: would be Max Clark, who might be the most polarizing
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: player in this system because he is like one of
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: those kind of like out in front type of guys,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: type of personalities, and he's kind of he's a modern athlete.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I think is a is a good way to put it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And then there are people who believe him to be
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: like the next Price Harper, and then there are those
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that like to pull back and and correct me if
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I believe your colleague Chris Brown, he said,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm paraphras and I tried to look it up.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I couldn't find it. Didn't he say, like he was
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a borderline.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Or not even take exposed.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Top one hundred prospects.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean this to be critical Chris, Like
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: if Chris says that, I believe he put in the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: work and he believes it. But like that's just an
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: example of like the range of which we talk about
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Max Clark. So we have the question on our screen
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: right now, like what is the proper way to view
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Max Clark.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: As a smart, very smart five tool potential player. I
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: last time I was out in Earie, I got to
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: talk to him first and foremost calls me Roger, which
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: knows if you guys know me pretty well enough, you
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: know not white people call me Roger. Let's say intimately
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: know me, so which is like, okay, well he is
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: paying attention what we're saying. Hopefully, I think he's paying attention.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: And then we had this really in depth conversation about
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: the new ballpark layout at the White Caps played and
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: he said, and he had this really cool point about
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: how the left field wall knocks down win resistance and
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: that's how he was able to go to right field more.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: And it was one of those things where it's like, well,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: it sounded like a conversation that you guys us would
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: be having at a bar somewhere. And he is that
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: much in tune to what he is. He knows a
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: lot of little things and just he's always paying attention
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: and he's always working on his game, whether you see
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: it or not. I mean, I think when he got
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: to double A, I think he realized he was gonna
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: get challenged more. And I think he's accepted it. And
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: to me, he's a guy that's always constantly refining his game.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: He is a guy if you need him to go
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: put the ball in play to get the run over,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: that's what he does. He does the fundamental things well.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: And I think Clark, I think the biggest thing he
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: has the potential to just be a guy that can
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: you can build your team around. He just needs to
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: be more consistent with his swing decisions such against lefties.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: You want to see the evolution is there. He's always
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: doing things in the background, whether you see it or not,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: and he's well aware of its surroundings, and that's something
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: that not a lot of prospects are, at least in
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: my opinion. Like you talk to Kevin McDonald, you talked
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: to Arsenio, it's three different types of conversations. And with Clark,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: he is one of those guys that is on Twitter
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: looking at his clips. If he's looking at other clips,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: it's not just us, it's he's looking at everything. He's
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: looking at everybody, and he's and I think Max Clark
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of respect for him. I mean,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: my initial reaction he got drafted over Lionford was like, oh, man,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: come on, you know, But then that was the ignorance
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: on my part. I fruely admit that the more I've
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: seen him play and the more I see him adapt,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the more it's more like it's not just because he
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: wears a chain all that. It's not flash. There's some
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: substance behind Max Clark, and I think that more people
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: are going to see that as he he's a very
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: charismatic guy, but he knows baseball and he's a baseball
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: rat and nerd whatever the terminology to use for that.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I've learned to really respect how he approaches the game.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with all that. In my little experience
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: around him, I mean it comes across pretty clearly that
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: this is someone who knows ball. That you're right. Like
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: people see the chains and the tattoos, and for some
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: reason there's this assumption, well, he probably doesn't do.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: The little thing as well.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Max Scary does the little things well. I think that
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: in the long run is going to serve him better
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: than like the big things, because there are some questions
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: like how much power will he hit for the major
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: league level. Come back to positioning. Is he a center
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: fielder Raj.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I personally think he's a guy that could play center
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I think personally he's gonna play center field in the pinch,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I think he's more of the left fielder or right fielder.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Not to say I love to see him play at America.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I mean I think he handled LMCU, which is a
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: big centerfield is very similar to CO America park. I
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: thought he handled it pretty well. But personally, I think
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: he's a guy that be better off of the corners.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I think if you look at the way Parker Metals
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: play center field, it's like a gazelle out in the
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: wild like it's a it's just a it's impressive. And
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: not to say Clark doesn't have the range or anything.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I think he does, but I think he has a
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: very good first step, but I think it's more suited
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: for the corner spot and was in my opinion.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: All right, well, I mean we're digging McGonagall can't be
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a short stop and uh and Clark can't be a
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: center fielder.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So we'll see that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Hey, hey, these guys are both great prospects. Don't get
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: me wrong, but this is why sometimes I like to
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: tamp down the prospect type because these organizations he's going
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: to be a shortstop. He's going to be a shortstop.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Oh actually he's not. Like That's that's how these things go.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: A lot man man hard position.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And and the larger point is, it's not a bad
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: thing to be a corner outfielder. It's not a bad
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: thing to be a second basement all right, like those
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the center field the shortstops of the world.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: It's really on the outfield especially. You better be able
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: to hit for some power if you're going to a
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: corner though.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's where I think he's gonna excel. I
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: think he's gonna I think the power is there and
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: it's just gonna continue to mind. So I think he's
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: a twenty home room guy. Is he a thirty home
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: run guy that I don't know? I don't know?
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Twenty homers with some speed though, that'll play. That'll play
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: cool with that. You won me back over twenty homers,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: sign me up?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Well, what what kind of power are we looking at
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: from a host white Pristinio Because uh, he's another one
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that started out West Michigan and and and is now
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: an eerie The numbers are just the raw numbers are
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a little down, but again some of that stuff to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: be expected. And another middle of the field athlete. Will
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he still end up in the middle of the field.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So the the prisinio scout and report and all that stuff.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: But you know, you get taken whatever direction you want.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: So he's one of the most intriguing young prospects internationally wise.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Tigers have had him quite some time. In terms of that,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: they've always been you know, you look at when Ceo Perez,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the types have had a pro type of like big
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: bulky relievers and every once in a while while have
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: an infielder. Go back to Omar, Omar and Fante, but
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: this is the first time they had like a catcher
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: first basement type and he's got really like he changed
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: his banning a little bit during the Arizona Fall League
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: and we saw the the numbers last year. We're insane.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: He's got advance a bat for his age, good contact ability.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like a line drive approach, but he
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: can hit the ball all fields. That raw power there
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: patients beyond, you know, for his age is amazing. If
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: he can. I think it's continued develop defensive development. I've
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: seen a lot of teams run on him quite a bit.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: He's got an arm. You want to see better blocking
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and framing from him. Game calling. I know he's calling
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: his games more from my understanding continuing, I worried because
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: about the knee surgery he had. I think first base
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: he can play just fine. He his offensive profile will
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: carry him no matter what. But I think I think
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: personally it's just he still needs to work. And I
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: know how A J. Hinch likes his catchers or I
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: think I have like to think I have a good
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: idea what HINJ Hinch likes in his catchers, and Garko
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: has said, you know, since day one, he is a catcher.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: He is a catcher, great, awesome. Guess what though, teams
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: are running on him all day long, and that has
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: been a case with a couple other catchers in the system.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: But that being said, the guy can hit, the guy
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: can rake, and he can put the ball in play,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: and he's got a really good eye to play. Sometimes
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I think he's and Chris has said this too, he's
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit too selective, and I agree with him
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: on that, And so I just think what I want
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: to see better is better blocking, better framing, and the
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: double A strike zone already kind of sucks because you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: you see these strike zones in double A. It's ridiculous.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And sorry for getting fires thrasing right now, but you
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: guys know what exactly what I'm talking about. But personally,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I think that I think long term his position, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: again this might be a controversial take, but I think
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: he's better student at first place.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I like that he's still catching a lot. You know
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: there didn't get better. But leads to kind of another question,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: what happened to our boy Tyrone Loronzo.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up, Cody, because Uh, there's
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: a I think I think we're saying is catching more
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: out of necessity than Tyrone has been dealing with nagging
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: injuries that I think that uh that really kind of
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: hindered It hindered him a little bit, and he has
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: not been regular catcher. From my understanding, I thought were
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: saying it was gonna be a split between the three,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: him and Alfonso and Tyron, and it hasn't been the case. Like,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: for example, a few weeks ago, it was the first
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: time we're singing called four straight games in his career. Wow.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: So you know, whatever nagging injuries that are there for Tyran,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I think it is affecting that kind of pie catching
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: pie if you will, of time a plane. So I
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: think person, you'll see more time than he anticipated.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I say this all the time, is that you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: like it might be one of the most unfair like
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: positions in baseball, is that, like, you know, you gotta
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: there's so much emphasis on the defensive element and in
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the pitch calling element and then not hopefully it won't
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: be the problem for these guys, but then you get
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to the major league, it's like, well, you can't hit,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and it's like, well, like it was focused so much
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: on the other stuff the past like five years and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: now it's like you can't hit, now you can't play.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So it's it's a lot of times it's unfair to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: these guys. But that that's why it's one of the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: most value position and the assets that organization can have.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: We are going to get to the arms that are
• 29:32
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• 29:35
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  Speaker 1: Coming back here, This is a topic that Cody has
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: been kind of raising the uh raising the alarms that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: too strong?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, no, it's not an alarm, just raising the question.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just kind of say, hey, I'm in
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the back of the class.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no no. This is why Rajer is one,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: because I think the Tigers pitching is thinner than we think,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: or thinner thinner than some people think. Like it's thinned
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: out pretty quickly. The system as a whole. Maybe it's
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: not as deep as we've been led to believe, but
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the Tigers are pretty good at three D printing. Some
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: guys who can pitch in the major leagues, what's their ceiling?
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know, So I'll just tee that up for you. Roger, Like,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: how do you feel about the pitching in this system,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: and then what I really want to know, like who
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: are the under under the radar guys that maybe we
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: should be keeping a nile, Who's the next Troy Melton.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing is is that I felt I feel
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: worse about the system now than I did last year
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: at this point because the arms have been the amount
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: of injuries is this staff has had across the system
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: has been. It's been a good and a bad thing.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: What I mean by that is, in a good way,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: you see guys that I'll talk about in a second
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: that come out of nowhere to grab people's attention. But
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the bad thing is that we'll also see arms that
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: potentially won't see for a while, that are just starting
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: out and we don't know when it's gonna happen. And
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: so that being said, I look at guys like, for example,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Andrew Sears has come out of nowhere because he's a guy.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Here's a guy who the Tigers is Cody. We talked
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: about this offline about the northeast connection. They've gone very
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: deep into connecting like North Connecticut, New York. And Seris
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: was draft out of Connecticut. He was a tenth rown
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: draft pick and I saw him pitch in Double A
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: a couple in my trip last month, and he's a
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: guy who can throw change up slider fastball and throw
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: it in the zone and get swings and misses on it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: And he's a very intense guy. I think he's a
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: guy that you can put down maybe perhaps like an
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: eighth and ninth or tenth starter next year. But the
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: depth has been you know, the depth has been demolished.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I mean Matt Manning now in Double A for Christ's sake,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and not even here. I mean he's a feeling now.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: So if that shows anything about the system, depth right
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: now is guys like you expected. For example, jayden Ham,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: he's been banged up a little bit, but his velocis
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: down and that adjustment that Melton faced in Double A.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: He's online a lot of home runs that's happening in
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: the Ham right now, although he's been pitching better as
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: of late. But yeah, there's guys like I'm trying to
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: think of another, the lefty Miller, who has just been
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: really kind of a he's been banged up. So they've
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: had guys that were supposed to stop up and haven't.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the three D analogy printing analogy. Cody is
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: very spot on.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Because now my friend Max Boatman, Red Wings beat writer
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: for that one.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Oh well, Max is brilliant for that, because like you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: they're trying to make something out of will Go or
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Nande is, well, guess what, that's not happening. I mean,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: there's just there's some times there's guys that are really
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: to me taking a slight step back. I thought Garrett
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Burnham this year would take a step forward a little bit,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: but he might be more of a reliever profile at
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: this point. And so one of the names that have
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: stepped up I mentioned is Kelvist Salsado, who is a
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: guy that's been on Christis radar quite a bit. Eighty
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: five strikeouts and sixty eight in pitched down. He has
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: been a complex guy. Now he's in Lakeland and he
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: and I sent you guys the video of him on
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: the phone because his change up and slider are just
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's nineteen years old, just tossing really well.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: You know, I think he's stepped up more than Rayner Castillo,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: who has not made the adjustment in West Michigan. Rayner
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Castillo was a guy pitching in Arizona fall Ley, thinking
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: that we all thought that him and Gable rays another
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: rails last night, pitched ninety three pitches last night, helped
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Lakeland in the first game of the playoffs. That's a
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: name that you should mention or know too. But Salsato
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: is the next guy you should get to know because
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I think his stuff is really that good. There is
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: a slight reliever risk to it. And I mentioned Andrew Sears.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Sears is a guy who I think has made a
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: pretty good jump to double a under nineteen strike out
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: to one hundred and seven innings pitched. Uh. He is
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: a guy that is a starter. He Minton is kind
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: of made a tough adjustment, but he's a he's a
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: guy to look out for in West Michigan right now.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: But all the arms really are like below double A.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: And that's that's where it's like. That's kind of like
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: a harboy kind of moment, because I mean, everyone's making
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a big deal about Canny Swarra, and rightfully so the
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: guy throws a knock the ball, YadA YadA, YadA, get it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: But is he a guy that can help you out
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: next year? No, I'm sorry, I mean I'm.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Not I'm not trying to. I want I want some
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: sixth inning enters throws twelve knuckleballs get you out of
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: the ending.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And Kenny like back to back out of the pen
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: get cart.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: It is. It is weird because they feel if you
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: look at the Tiger system, though, you look at guys
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: that are like, you get a second glance, You're like,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, Trevon Michael is twenty seven years old
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: in double A, and there's gonna be I think as
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: some of these guys a minor leagu free agents for agency,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be more of that, and I
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: think that that's where the depth might just become, oh
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: boy kind of thing. But they have a few guys
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the system. You know, we all know that the Tigers
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: are very very secretive about injuries. Rightfully, so hippolaws and
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: all the stuff. I get that. But as far as like
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: names go, Sears, I just gave you there's three or
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: four guys. But that's really about it right now, which
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: is to me a little bit of alarm that you
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: have guys that are you know, West Michigan had to
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: be creative this year and use bullpen starts here. You
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: have to do the same thing. Wakeland had to do
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the same thing. All the affiliates. I mean, look at
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: the job at Gay Belver has has done in Toledo
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: with that staff. If I look at some of those names,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: like Matt Cylinger at one point and it's, uh, you know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Colum Field's been back everywhere, like all these guys that
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: you're like, who what, Yeah, that's that's where we're at
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: right now. And that's why you see a lot of
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: those guys that were in other systems before in Toledo
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: that are there because they're trying every They're literally throwing
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: everything against the wall.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: It is it worth noting or no that some of
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: the bigger pitching prospects in the draft recently Owen hall
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Ethan shuffle behind it. They've been hurt, so they're kind
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: of out of side, out of mind, but they're not
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: they're not dead, like they're gonna come back and pitch
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: at some point.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Right Or Michael Massey, who still has appearance. I mean
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: he was drafted last year, and I think with the
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: draft class this year, if you look at the Tigers
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: emphasis on drafting, I mean they really went out of
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: their way to pitch a lot of pick a lot
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: of pitchers this year. It's kind of like not they're
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: really kind of mo Usually it's the best position player available,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: and this year, you know, look at Malchi Witherspoon, the
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: ceilings really high on Christmas. Talk about him and what
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the capabilities are if he gets us fastball straightened out.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: That Jacob's lefty out of Arizona State ninety three. They
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: don't really care about velocity that much as long as
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: they pitch in the zone. We want to see a
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: little bit more out of Jacobs, hopefully he does something.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Caleb Blaize the fore front out of the University of
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Maine is another guy who they went left the heavy here.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: And so there's Grayson Grinsol and then they have the
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: funky names like hail Wet Whiskey and I'm trying to
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: think of the other one that was, Oh, Joey Wimpelberg.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: That's been the kind of a name we always talk
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: about cash keep your from Murray State. So there's there's
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of arm potential in this draft and they
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: went really heavy with that, and I think it's also
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: because they're addressing the fact that they're kind of short
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: on arms right now. I mean, it is, and that's
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: something that is to be concerned with. But I know
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I like the upside of the guys they got in
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: the draft and in Witherspoon, and I'd love to see
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: where he's gonna start off at next year.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Another thing we got to address for talking about the
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: minor leagues, all the winning. Maybe you can rattle off
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: some of the stats, but does it does it matter?
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Will it ultimately translates to the major league level.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I think it matters. I think it does. There's something
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: to be said about that. You look at the culture
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: that Tampa the Rays have created with their minor league system.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Their minor league system is as a powerhouse and Tampa
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: they might not make the playoffs. They're not going to
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs this year, I should say that with confidence.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: But their team that are always competitive and they have
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: a winning culture, and there's something to be said. I
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: don't like the sometimes I don't like believing a question.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I don't believe in things like momentum and things that
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: are like just kind of like those stereotype things. But
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I do believe in winning and winning culture does help.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: And so every team this year, with the exception of
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: the DSL teams have been over five hundred. They have
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: a combined winning percential over almost sixty percent, and you
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: look at it does help. I mean, these guys playing together,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: this is the same winning culture that helped them in
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the seventies. I mean, Lance Parish, Lou Whitaker, Alan tram
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Will all play together, Jack Moore's Dan Petrie. You know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: talk to Peaches sometime about that, and it does make
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: a big difference. So you get to know these sides
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: really well. And even the guys who don't make it,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: you still have those experiences that you carry with you.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've heard stories from when Kirk Gibson was around,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: when Leland picked them up from the airport, and all
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: these cool little things and all that builds up. And
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: so even the twenty sixteen Furlander Zamayah Granderson all played together,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: so and they won a little bit. So that I
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: think matters more than what people like to believe. And
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I believe that more than like, you know, momentum and
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: you know and freaked and all that stuff.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, and you know we see that, you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: with the current squad right now, with the we used
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: to We've been doing this podcast long enough Cody and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I that we used to talk about the triplets being
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Dingler and Green and Torglelsen and and and and now
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: look at him, you know what I mean?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, that is and it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Is also cool to watch that from its infancy and
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and and see it happened at the major league level.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: So we're forty minutes in.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: We got to wrap up here pretty soon, but we
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: cannot have of like tuck the farm system and not
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: mentioned Bryce Rainer. So like, so that's kind of a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: miss missed by me and my rundown a little bit.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: But that's probably also the point he gets hurt. You
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: know he's gonna be back, but you know, momentarily he's
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: kind of out of sight, out of mind. Are you
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a Bryce Rainer guy, Roger?
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no. It was when I first started seeing
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: him play and he launched a throw from shore, it
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: was like, oh and then you know, every every hit
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: was over one hundred and three hundred and four, Y're like,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: oh yeah. And then the fact that he started in Wakeland,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: not in complex ball said something to me about his age.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Usually high school guys, the Tigers are very conservative when
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: it comes to guys that are they draft him out
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: of high school, and the fact that he was out
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: there among you know, the regular single a guys. To me,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: he was like, okay, that that that meant something, and
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: it absolutely did. Between him and fran Deer Mantilla, they
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: were really exciting combo to watch out there in the infield.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: They they like as soon as Rainer got more comfortable
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: in the position out there, they it really sucked watching
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: him get injured. It was really unfortunate because I think
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: he would have been West Michigan right now. I really
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: that's how talented he is. He's just for his size,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the ability to the way he drives contact that first
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: one run he had to like he's legit like he is.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: You know, you're sitting it going yeah, you know. And
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the fact that the Angels were gonna consider drafting him.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: That's saying something because usually Angels don't draft anybody from
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: high school because they want somebody right there.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: So you know what I like about Rainer just I
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: don't know. He's a big guy. So maybe you can
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: file this to old takes exposed when he moves to
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: third base, But just watching his actions, I think he's
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: actually going to be a short side I think he's
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: actually going to be able to play the position he
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: was drafted at.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Agreed, definitely. I think he has a green He has
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: really good range too, was going to his left, and
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I think the arm, the fact that he was almost
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: pitching too at one point, the arm, the arm, range,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: theres Yeah, he could have been a pitcher. Yeah, absolutely,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: and I think he has ranged to his smooth man
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: very smooth. Yeah, for his size, that's all I's gonna say, Cody,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: For a guy his size, he moves like a tall
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: point guard like Scottie Pippen or I was thinking like
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: another guy that had that size that could like something
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: that should be classified as a third baseman that's playing
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: short and that smooth capability, it's really good.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he gets the Corey Seeker comparison. I don't know
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: what Cory Seeker looked like when he was twenty, but
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: right now, like Bryce Rayner is smoother, has better actions
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: in the field than Cory Seeker.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Agreed, there's there's the big take right there. I like that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Right, well, well he be the hitter Cory Seeker. That's
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: just a high bar.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the actions, that's all just the actor.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Ryan Kreidler had great actions.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Man, we just mentioned Scotty Pippen and Ryan Kreidler, but
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: then like a ninety second time, Brian, I love it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up here. I have like a
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: guy in the system that I can't quit. So I'm
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: curious what year, guys is, what guys qualifies that for you, guys,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I'll say mine real quick. I'm just always intrigued by
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Max Anderson. He was a high draft pick. He's younger
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: than you think. He doesn't turn twenty four until February,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and he recently was promoted to Toledo.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: It's only twenty one games, you know, two sixty four average.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you guys can look up the numbers, but
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the bat profile has played out. I feel like as expected.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: And sometimes, man, when those droughts happen at the major
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: league level, you're just thinking, can we just get some
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: dude that's gonna rake it a little bit? And I
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: think he could be a guy that could rake it
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit, And so I can't quit Max Anderson.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you guys have somebody that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: qualifies under that criteria for you.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: My guy would be Trey Cruz, who's the last last
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: file last of the twenty twenty draft picks that outside
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: of Daniel Carberro, which will never see the major league level. Well,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: we have not like I cannot quit because trade crews.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: To me, is just a victim of circumstances. I think
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: in any other team, like whether it's like for example,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: he would be a good, good A's player, as Chris
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: has said. At first, when I thought about that, I'm like, well,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, what does he talking about? And he's
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: great risatility, the fact that he is good defense, but
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Trey Cruise, his lineage is not going to deny him
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: from playing on the big league level. I really he
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: is a guy who works his ass off. He got
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: stuck in Eerie because of just the way things have
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: looided out for him, unfortunately his positions. But he made
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: the adjustment to center field seamlessly. He gave Alvarez when
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: he this was when he was manager at Erie, put
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: him out there and he said he won his best
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: defensive center fielder out there, and that was Cruise, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: he if originally when he came there, there was you know,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: there was some things about him being hot dogging things
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: and all that, but he's coming home around as a player,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: as a teammate, and you just see his infectious energy
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: down to load a game winning hit. I love trade crews,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and I think that if if it's not here, it's
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: somewhere else where. I think he's gonna make it to
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: major league. Now. Is he gonna be a guy that's
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: gonna be a regular? I don't know, but I think
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: he has enough talent too. I can't quit him. He's
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: just a really talented defensive player who can hit, who's
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: a switch hitter. And I think that that versatility would
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: help out the Tigers, because that's what they do. They
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: They somehow take a guy and say you're playing shortstop.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Psych No, you're playing in centerfield?
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: All right. There's an organization for him. I think it's
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: this one.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, you think you would think?
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Never know? Yeah, I don't have anyone in the farm
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: right now. I need to. I need to fall in
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: love with another under the radar guy. I still can't
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: quit Casey Mice. I'll see that game last night.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: He's back. Why are we worried about the rotation you need?
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: What about Edward Valencia?
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: How did we get this deep in the pod without
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: talking about Edward Valencia, the your home run god. I
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: don't know as much about him as usually Roger, all right,
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: all right, we got to wrap up here soon. Tell
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: me real quick, thirty seconds Edward Valencia.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Edward Valencia is a glove or excuse me, is a
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: offensive first catcher, first baseman. Gabel Res has told me
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: he needs to work a little bit on his defense,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: but he has what he has worked on faster. Swing's
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: lost some weight and as a result, he's generating more power.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: And Troy Melton, as you witness this in the clubhouse,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: is a big fan of him, and a lot of
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: the guys are looting for him because he's a guy
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: who can hit the gaps really well and he's a
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: bat who they text should consider for adding on the
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: foty man roster.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: There we go, dam there you go. That's a great scout.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, so much fun. We could do this
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: for an hour and a half, but uh, but we
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: have to wrap up here. Roger, plug away, tell us
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: where we where people can find you. You know what,
• 47:56
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  Speaker 1: I mean I as I said beginning, like when people
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  Speaker 3: Well I appreciate it, Like I said, Man, I mean
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