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AOC Tries to Laugh Off the Left's Radical Woke Shift · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
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Speaker 1: Free Martini's coming up.
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Speaker 3: So glad you're with us for the Monday edition of
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Speaker 3: the Three mare Tini Lunch. And Jim, we start with
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Speaker 3: the left trying to very conveniently memory hole what happened
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, both in terms of racial issues, in
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Speaker 3: terms of COVID restrictions, in terms of so many different
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Speaker 3: things that happened in that truly insane timeframe of our politics.
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Speaker 3: And let's not pretend the Democrats have actually moved too
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Speaker 3: far away from the positions that they espouse. Then you'll
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Speaker 3: notice in the clip here from AOC she doesn't talk
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Speaker 3: about the policies as much.
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Speaker 1: She talks about the rhetoric. But Alexander A.
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Speaker 3: Cassio Cortez, who is still one of the darlings of
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Speaker 3: the far left, possible presidential candidate and twenty twenty eight,
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Speaker 3: she was on This Week with Jonathan carl which tells
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Speaker 3: you right there that she's trying to position herself or
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Speaker 3: at least the option open for twenty twenty eight. But
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Speaker 3: the issue came up as they were talking about Francesca
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Speaker 3: Hank's candidacy in Wisconsin. We'll talk about that a little
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Speaker 3: bit later in our third martini. You know, Democrats going
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Speaker 3: over the top and hating Thanksgiving and some of the
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Speaker 3: other things that Francesca Hang has said. And Jonathan Carl says,
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Speaker 3: you know, well, some people said some pretty crazy things
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Speaker 3: about defunding police back in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: And so forth. And here's AOC's extended response.
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Speaker 2: The local city councilman that has this saying, woke one
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Speaker 2: was crazy.
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Speaker 1: One was crazy.
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Speaker 2: And I think that what's important is that we have
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Speaker 2: to assess what I mean.
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Speaker 1: To do too far with some of those positions.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you you briefly supported the idea of defunding
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Speaker 3: the police.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think I think that during this time,
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Speaker 2: and during especially during COVID, there was a huge opening
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Speaker 2: of the Overton window. We were shut down. There was
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Speaker 2: some of the highest unemployment rates that we have seen
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Speaker 2: because of those shutdowns. And I think that the doors
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Speaker 2: were really open and trying to entertain any and every
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Speaker 2: policy that was going to get us to a better place.
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Speaker 2: And I actually think that the discussions that we had
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Speaker 2: in that time were quite fruitful. I think that when
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Speaker 2: we talk about crime today, it's fundamentally different than the
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Speaker 2: way that we talked about crime and bringing crime down right,
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Speaker 2: and I think that we all share in the goals
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Speaker 2: of having as low a crime rate as possible. I
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Speaker 2: think that, you know, during lockdown, of course, rhetoric in
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Speaker 2: that time is not rhetoric that we would use today.
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Speaker 2: And I'm grateful that these candidates have the opportunity to
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Speaker 2: present who they are to their electorate and what they're
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Speaker 2: campaigning on in this moment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the rhetoric was the problem, Jim, not the positions,
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Speaker 3: and so just giggling away all the restrictions and all
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Speaker 3: the epithets that were thrown around. Then Greg price over
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Speaker 3: on X says it, well, wasn't it just crazy that
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Speaker 3: time we declared your country to be irredeemably racist, COSMO
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Speaker 3: violence and a mass to crime wave across the country
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Speaker 3: by waging a war against law enforcement, ruined people's lives
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Speaker 3: if they made a joke in a private group chat
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Speaker 3: and re orient at every American institution. So they discriminate
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Speaker 3: against white men, and that's not even getting into COVID.
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Speaker 3: So they obviously realize that's not a winning formula for them.
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Speaker 3: Trump proved that in twenty twenty four, So they're trying
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Speaker 3: to scoot away from it and pretend it never happened.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's our job to make sure they
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Speaker 1: don't get away with it.
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Speaker 4: The phrase woke one is really one of the more
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Speaker 4: chilling things that has come down the pike in a
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Speaker 4: in a long time. Greg, My favorite joke I've seen
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Speaker 4: in the last twenty four hours is that hearing someone
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Speaker 4: like AOC or any progressive Democrat refer to woke one,
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Speaker 4: it's kind of like hearing a German refer to World
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Speaker 4: War One in nineteen twenty five.
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Speaker 5: This kind of implies.
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Speaker 4: There's going to be a sequel, and the sequel is
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Speaker 4: probably going to be worse than the first one. So again,
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Speaker 4: this is a reason of why, you know, do if
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Speaker 4: the Democrats return to power, whether it's through House and
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Speaker 4: Senate in the midterms, presidency in twenty twenty eight, whether
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Speaker 4: it's AOC or someone else, they will not be going
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Speaker 4: back to the pre woke uh you know, or even
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Speaker 4: the pre Trump status quo. They will be going to
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Speaker 4: a woke two point zero and one of the you
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Speaker 4: know DSA candidates has said the Green New Deal is
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Speaker 4: no longer our goal as our floor of what we're
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Speaker 4: in for. Just give perspective on that. First of all,
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Speaker 4: I want to say, both to AOC and to Jonathan Carl,
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Speaker 4: why are you laughing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Why why are you so gigly about this when like
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Speaker 4: you guys said, wow, that was crazy, you know, and
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 5: I didn't know.
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Speaker 4: You're going to read the Greg Price column, which was
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Speaker 4: you know, reiterate some of my observation, like we were
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Speaker 4: in an era of public hysteria. We were in a
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Speaker 4: time we're expressing a thoroughly mundane opinion, a thoroughly mainstream
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Speaker 4: position that could get you fired, that could get you
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Speaker 4: demonized on social media, right, Like people's careers and lives
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Speaker 4: were ruined, and wow, oh some crazy stuff then, hair
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Speaker 4: like you and I, like they're talking about it the
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Speaker 4: way you and I would talk about the three strike
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Speaker 4: scam player games of the NA fell back in nineteen
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Speaker 4: eighty seven. Well that was crazy, wasn't it. You know, like, no,
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Speaker 4: no woke one point.
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Speaker 5: Oh, however you want.
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Speaker 4: A character, It was not really like crazy good times.
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Speaker 4: It was crazy terrible times.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 5: Finally, AOC says that we all.
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Speaker 4: Agree on the goal of bringing our crime rates to
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Speaker 4: as low as possible, do we no.
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Speaker 5: Like, I'm really how you demonize the police.
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Speaker 4: You nominate and elect prosecutors who don't believe in putting
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Speaker 4: people in jail. You eliminate cash bail, You eliminate you know,
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Speaker 4: basically the ability as you you know, as Andy McCarthy
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Speaker 4: observed that, like getting a long prison sentence is a
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Speaker 4: lifetime achievement award because like it's a revolving door system.
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Speaker 4: I don't think any of those things suggests that you're
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Speaker 4: really that serious about trying to bring crime rates down
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Speaker 4: as low as possible, because they if you did when
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Speaker 4: someone committed a crime and I was convicted of it
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Speaker 4: before a jury of their peers, after a fair trial,
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Speaker 4: free representation from a taxpayer expense, if after all that,
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Speaker 4: you don't want to put them in jail for very long,
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Speaker 4: I'm not so convinced that you're really committed to using
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Speaker 4: crime rates. I think you're perfectly fine with crime rates
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Speaker 4: either the way they are or even getting higher, as
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Speaker 4: long as it's not happening near you and your personal
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Speaker 4: security detail that I strongly suspect is armed. If Second
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Speaker 4: Amendment rights that you'd want to deny to everybody else.
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Speaker 4: So no, I don't believe you at all of it.
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Speaker 4: So anyway, like, but but the phrase, like, I have
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Speaker 4: a feeling that phrase is going to stick. We're going
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Speaker 4: to see in a couple of extemp you know, months
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Speaker 4: and years one point woke one point zero and Woke
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Speaker 4: two point zero, and the idea that a second wave
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Speaker 4: of wocism is coming. And there's no reason to think
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Speaker 4: it's going to be a kindler or gentler, to use
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Speaker 4: George H. W. Bush's phrase, a milder, more user friendly.
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Speaker 4: If there's not going to be diet woke, there's not
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Speaker 4: going to be anything that's going to be you know,
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Speaker 4: whole grain woke that's going to be better than the
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Speaker 4: previous version. It's going to be the same stuff, probably
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Speaker 4: even worse than before.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're seeing where the energy is in the Democratic
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Speaker 3: Party of these days. It's towards the socialist left, and
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Speaker 3: they're more aggressive about it than ever. And again Aosa
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Speaker 3: is talking about the rhetoric as opposed to the policies.
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Speaker 3: This guy goes by Jesse armont Exi's over at the
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Speaker 3: Manhattan Institute. He so so what views did AOC or
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Speaker 3: her political allies hold during woke one point zero that
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Speaker 3: they've actually moved away from sex change operations for kids,
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Speaker 3: biological men and women's sports, race based discrimination and hiring
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Speaker 3: an admissions, decriminalizing theft, declining to prosecute repeat offenders. So
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Speaker 3: which part was actually crazy and which part was just
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Speaker 3: you know, unpopular. So it's just amazing to watch this.
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Speaker 3: And it's interesting you mentioned Jonathan carl too, because of
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Speaker 3: course the media is completely carrying the water for these
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Speaker 3: insane positions on all these different issues, and he's like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: that was nuts.
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Speaker 1: Anyway over here.
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Speaker 4: He does at least say, well, you know, did you
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Speaker 4: guys go too far? And of course AOC tap dances
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Speaker 4: around that, and it'd be nice to say, is there
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Speaker 4: a single policy from back then that you feel was
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Speaker 4: a wrong decision? And you know, there's no indication AOC's
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Speaker 4: anything from back then is beyond the rhetoric was something
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Speaker 4: to take back.
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Speaker 1: Now exactly right.
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Speaker 3: But let's focus on Abdul Lsayed narrowly won the Michigan
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Speaker 3: Democratic US Senate primary, which in some ways was slightly
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Speaker 3: underperforming compared to the polls, but as his supporters will
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Speaker 3: the socialists. And so whether he specifically identifies as a
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Speaker 3: DSA or socialist or not, he claims he's not, but
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Speaker 3: he certainly pals around with them. That I think that
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Speaker 3: fist pump picture with Hassan Piker is going to be
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Speaker 3: used a lot in this election.
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Speaker 1: Side but a bill, I'll say.
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Speaker 3: I went on Meet the Press with Kristin Welker over
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Speaker 3: the weekend and he was asked about a number of
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Speaker 3: things related to Hassan Piker. First, of all, there's of
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Speaker 3: course that comment that Piker said that the United States
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Speaker 3: deserved nine to eleven, and here's Elsaia just.
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Speaker 6: Trying to wave that away, you know, to sit here
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Speaker 6: and play gotcha politics with a dumb thing somebody said
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Speaker 6: out of context that they just avowed themselves to say, Oh, well,
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Speaker 6: what does that mean about what you think? I want
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Speaker 6: to be held accountable for what I say and what
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Speaker 6: I do, rather than this idea that we've we're so
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Speaker 6: stuck in cancel culture that all of us agreed was
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Speaker 6: a bad idea back in twenty twenty, but we seem
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Speaker 6: to want to bring back.
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Speaker 1: So I'm sure you agree with that at all.
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Speaker 3: Maybe you shouldn't have hugged him so tightly during the primary,
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Speaker 3: but anyway, Kristin Welker, following up on.
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Speaker 7: That, you know you faced scrutiny for campaigning with socialist
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Speaker 7: streamer Hassan Piker, who has made a series of inflammatory comments,
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Speaker 7: as you well know, including saying America deserved nine to eleven,
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Speaker 7: describing Hamas as a lesser evil than Israel. Do you
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Speaker 7: plan to continue to campaign with Hassan Piker in the
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Speaker 7: general election campaign?
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Speaker 6: Look, I'm less concerned now with who I'm campaigning with,
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Speaker 6: A lot more concerned about who I'm campaigning to. We've
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Speaker 6: got a lot of work to do to continue to
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Speaker 6: build the coalition that's going to be Mike Rogers.
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Speaker 1: Would you welcome him?
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Speaker 4: Though?
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Speaker 7: On the campaign tru.
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Speaker 6: Like I said, I'm a lot more focused on who
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Speaker 6: I'm campaigning to. So I think we have this notion
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Speaker 6: sometimes on shows like this that we cannot or should
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Speaker 6: not talk to certain groups of people. And I will
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Speaker 6: tell you that the three million people who listen to
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Speaker 6: Hassan are people I want to make sure understand that
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Speaker 6: there's a pathway into our politics around getting money out
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Speaker 6: of politics so we can keep put money back in
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Speaker 6: pockets in past Medicare for all. And so I'm going
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Speaker 6: to continue to have the conversations with those folks who
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Speaker 6: we desperately need to reach out to, just like I'm
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Speaker 6: going to continue to have conversations with seniors and senior homes,
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Speaker 6: folks up North, folks in Detroit forks and Grand Rapids.
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Speaker 6: So again, I'm a lot more focused on who I'm
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Speaker 6: campaigning to rather than who I'm Campa.
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Speaker 3: I grew up as one of those people up north.
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Speaker 3: I am not in the same category as Hassan Piker's listeners.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 3: But the Democrats have their answer on this, Jim, I'm
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Speaker 3: not going to play the clip, but AOC says, well,
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Speaker 3: the Democrats can go on shows like that. You know,
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Speaker 3: you got to go on Joe Rogan. Democrats got to
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Speaker 3: go on Fox News, and they got this audience that
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Speaker 3: they have to speak to as well.
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Speaker 1: They can go at that line. I don't think it's
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Speaker 1: going to work out.
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Speaker 3: Well for them, but the fact that they keep doubling
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Speaker 3: down on this is amazing.
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Speaker 4: This is a wonderful lead into the twenty fifth anniversary
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Speaker 4: of nine to eleven, which is just a day for
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Speaker 4: one month and one day away. So first of all,
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Speaker 4: I find this is, you know, a recurring response from
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Speaker 4: Lsaya that this is somehow gotcha politics because he campaigned
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Speaker 4: not once, but several times with someone who said America
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Speaker 4: deserved nine to eleven. He also keeps using the phrase
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Speaker 4: there's a dumb comment. I'm glad he acknowledges it was dumb.
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Speaker 4: I think there's other objectives that I would have used, horrible, offensive,
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Speaker 4: and humane, like there's a lot of you like, he
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Speaker 4: doesn't get angry about it. There's there's no indication that
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Speaker 4: this statement bothers. Abdulah I said, it's kind of a dumb,
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Speaker 4: and he said this every single time when defending his
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Speaker 4: decision to campaign with the son Piker. Abdula say it
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Speaker 4: has insisted that Piker's comment was taken out of context. Greg,
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Speaker 4: what is the context in which America deserved nine to eleven?
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Speaker 4: Is not a terrible thing to say, whereas the oh okay,
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Speaker 4: in that context, it totally makes sense, totally because when
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Speaker 4: you're doing that, you're basically saying, you know, al KaiA
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Speaker 4: had a really legitimate point. No it did not, No,
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Speaker 4: it did not, and so and the other thing, which
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Speaker 4: is as fascinating as there there you can see the
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Speaker 4: lefties trying this jiu jitsu in which they're saying, ah,
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Speaker 4: look at these Republicans, look at their cancel culture. Remember
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Speaker 4: the sort of things that would get you canceled. Back
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Speaker 4: when we were talking about the woke one point oh
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Speaker 4: a few moments ago, was saying that, oh, I think
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Speaker 4: men are men and women are women, and you can't
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Speaker 4: change your gender like that would get you canceled. America
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Speaker 4: deserved nine to eleven, And they're saying, ah, you Snowfla,
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Speaker 4: you can't like. No, no, they're not the same thing.
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Speaker 4: I would really like to say to like. I would
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Speaker 4: love to be at a polling place in Michigan and say,
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Speaker 4: do you think there is any context in which America
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Speaker 4: deserved nine to eleven? It's a reasonable position, is a
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Speaker 4: supportable position? Is one that you think is you know,
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Speaker 4: and my guess is a good portion of the people
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Speaker 4: voting in your home state of Michigan would punch you
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Speaker 4: in the face the moment the words America deserved nine
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Speaker 4: to eleven came out of your mouth. People feel very
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Speaker 4: strongly about this. They fair much believe that they are
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Speaker 4: fellow citizens should not be slain by terrorists, and the
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Speaker 4: idea like it's it's absolutely fascinating to see Abdula s
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Speaker 4: A trying to act like, ah, you know, yeah, that
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Speaker 4: wacky Hassan God, he just says all kinds of crazy stuff.
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Speaker 5: What are you gonna do?
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Speaker 4: I would also note that Hassan Piker is the subject
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Speaker 4: of a profile in Rolling Stone. I don't know if
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Speaker 4: this is on the cover. If he does, you know,
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Speaker 4: it'll be we'll have to reset the counter over at
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Speaker 4: Rolling Stone. It has been this many months since we
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Speaker 4: featured a Muslim who thinks America deserved nine to eleven
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Speaker 4: is on the cover. You know, I don't know if
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Speaker 4: he's on the cover or not. I did a short
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Speaker 4: corner post on what I attempted to make a short
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Speaker 4: corner post on this. In a Hassan Piker laments that
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Speaker 4: everyone keeps giving him grief about four comments and out
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Speaker 4: of like he believes, you know, ten thousand hours of streaming.
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Speaker 4: So again, you know, Greg, it's true, nobody gives him
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Speaker 4: credit for all the times he didn't say that America
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Speaker 4: deserved nine to eleven, So everybody just gets hung up
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Speaker 4: on those those few statements. I go through a couple
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Speaker 4: of his other ones. He says his favorite flag is
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Speaker 4: that of Hezbollah. He has no problem with Hamas. He
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Speaker 4: thinks Israel is a thousand times worse than Hamas. He
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Speaker 4: believes that they are all the rape claims on October
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Speaker 4: seventh are made up. He believes that the Republican Party
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Speaker 4: is the biggest terrorist group in the world, which, by
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Speaker 4: the way, like, isn't that really not giving credit to
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Speaker 4: isis where it deserves. Aren't there a bunch of terrorist
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Speaker 4: groups that he's really insulted. They put a lot of
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Speaker 4: effort into being the most pre eminent terrorist group in
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Speaker 4: the world. Republicans, you gotta look far and wide to
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Speaker 4: find any of them.
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Speaker 5: Maybe Eric Rudolph. I don't know how you want to
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Speaker 5: classify him. So I mean Hassan Piker.
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Speaker 4: One of the problems that he's a moron, but also
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Speaker 4: part of the problem is that he's an extremist and
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Speaker 4: that he has found his way to fame and fortune
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Speaker 4: by saying all the things that I suspect most progressives
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Speaker 4: and hard left types like either they don't think these things,
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Speaker 4: or they think these things but have the good sense
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Speaker 4: to not say them in front of a microphone and
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Speaker 4: a camera. Hassan Piker does, and he creates this sense,
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Speaker 4: this permission structure of I hate these people and like
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Speaker 4: to see them suffer a heart terrible, violent death. It's
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Speaker 4: okay for you to feel this way.
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Speaker 5: We're not. We share this feeling right.
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Speaker 4: Whether or not you believe there should be a legal
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Speaker 4: category called hate speech, I don't think you can dispute
16:34
Speaker 4: that what Hassan Piker does is hateful speech. And he
16:38
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, stirs up his audience in the
16:40
Speaker 4: sort of thing So it is kind of fascinating to
16:42
Speaker 4: see that, you know, a good portion of the Democratic
16:44
Speaker 4: Party are completely comfortable with hateful speech. And while it's
16:47
Speaker 4: protected by the First Amendment, No, Senate kenn it should
16:50
Speaker 4: come within like you know, ten miles of this guy.
16:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible, and I assume he won't be on
16:54
Speaker 3: the trail that much with el sayed now, But.
16:56
Speaker 4: But he didn't say it would be very say say no,
16:59
Speaker 4: I will not be campaign didn't want to say that,
17:01
Speaker 4: did he Yeah.
17:02
Speaker 1: No, no, and he should have. And he said other things.
17:04
Speaker 3: There's one race, says, we want more immigrants to come
17:06
Speaker 3: into your countries, and then they're going to violate your
17:09
Speaker 3: sisters and then your daughters. We're here to destroy the
17:11
Speaker 3: white race. He's talked about, you know, people going back
17:14
Speaker 3: to Auschwitz. I mean, this is a guy called the
17:16
Speaker 3: people who voted for Haley Stevens is lamophobic. You know,
17:19
Speaker 3: explotive explotive last week. So here's what's going to happen.
17:24
Speaker 3: L say, Ed is going to keep getting asked this
17:26
Speaker 3: because a piker is going to keep saying stupid things,
17:28
Speaker 3: or Mike Rodgers or other opposition researchers are going to
17:32
Speaker 3: dig them up. From all the stupid things and evil
17:34
Speaker 3: things he said over time, and eventually I'll do all
17:37
Speaker 3: I'll say it is going to have to have his
17:38
Speaker 3: Obama Reverend right moment, and he's going to mean it
17:40
Speaker 3: even less than.
17:41
Speaker 1: Obama did in two thousand and eight.
17:43
Speaker 3: But he's gonna get there, especially if if Rogers is
17:46
Speaker 3: probably more than five points ahead in the polls.
17:48
Speaker 5: Rogers, don't let me down.
17:49
Speaker 4: I've said that a lot in the last few years
17:51
Speaker 4: and generally didn't disappoint it.
17:53
Speaker 5: But maybe things will be better for Mike than for Aaron.
17:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a GIMMI.
17:57
Speaker 3: Like we said last week, Republicans have won one Senate
18:00
Speaker 3: race in Michigan since the nineteen seventies one, so this
18:04
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18:06
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Speaker 3: All right, Jim, on to our far left craziness in
19:20
Speaker 3: the third Martini here and Tuesday is primary day at
19:23
Speaker 3: a number of key states, Wisconsin among them, also Minnesota,
19:26
Speaker 3: South Carolina at least the first round of a special
19:28
Speaker 3: Senate primary. There so a lot to keep track up
19:30
Speaker 3: on Tuesday, But in Wisconsin, establishment Democrats acording to Politico,
19:34
Speaker 3: are mounting what they call an all out, last ditch
19:36
Speaker 3: effort to head off Francesca Hong in the governor's primary.
19:40
Speaker 3: That's the fancy way of saying they're freaking out. But
19:42
Speaker 3: the problem is they are struggling to do that, she says.
19:45
Speaker 3: The sitting Democratic governor Tony Evers and his hand picked
19:47
Speaker 3: successor warn't a Hong win, risks handing the governor's mansion
19:51
Speaker 3: to Trump acolyte Congressman Tom Tiffany. Governor Evers on Friday
19:55
Speaker 3: also would not commit to endorsing or campaigning with Hong
19:57
Speaker 3: should she win. No Democrats inspect that he'll have to.
20:02
Speaker 3: And so here's the problem, Jim. Usually, when you do
20:05
Speaker 3: this last ditch effort, you've got someone who's even in
20:08
Speaker 3: the same you know, time zone as the leader in
20:11
Speaker 3: the polls. According to the last three polls in Wisconsin,
20:14
Speaker 3: Francesca Hong is at forty two point seven, David Crowley's
20:17
Speaker 3: at fourteen, and then the next two who haven't dropped
20:20
Speaker 3: out or at seven point five and four point five,
20:22
Speaker 3: and the two that were the leading challengers, Mandela Barnes
20:25
Speaker 3: and Sarah Rodriguez. Some people already voted for them, so
20:28
Speaker 3: they can't switch their votes because of early voting, so
20:31
Speaker 3: they can do what they're going to try to do here.
20:33
Speaker 3: It doesn't look like it's probably going to work.
20:34
Speaker 4: Though, Greg, I've been thinking about. First of all, I'll
20:37
Speaker 4: be shocked if Hong does not win. And you know,
20:39
Speaker 4: we saw how the polls in Michigan were l Saiya's
20:43
Speaker 4: lead was significantly smaller on election night than those polls indicated.
20:47
Speaker 5: Maybe we'll have.
20:48
Speaker 4: That same kind of phenomenon, but that's a huge gap
20:51
Speaker 4: for the second or any of those other alternative candidates
20:54
Speaker 4: to make up. And I'm thinking a lot about the
20:57
Speaker 4: twenty twenty Democratic primary, in which, you know, Bernie Say
21:00
Speaker 4: won the first three by you know, you know, Joe
21:03
Speaker 4: Biden had a really lousy performance, particularly in Iowa and
21:05
Speaker 4: New Hampshire, and then goes and wins the South Carolina
21:08
Speaker 4: primary and really within a very rapid secession, you saw
21:13
Speaker 4: boddhag Edge, Klobuchar, Tom Style, a whole bunch of candidates
21:17
Speaker 4: dropped at Beto O'Rourke dropped out in rapid secession, and
21:21
Speaker 4: they all endorsed Biden. Now we've never gotten the full
21:24
Speaker 4: story on any sort of like behind the scenes Shenanigan's
21:28
Speaker 4: arm twisting, promises threats, you know, but Buddha Jedge ended
21:32
Speaker 4: up in the cabinet. So I think there's kind of
21:34
Speaker 4: this sense that everybody kind of realized that one. There
21:37
Speaker 4: was a great fear about Bernie Sanders being the nominee.
21:39
Speaker 4: He had gone down to South Florida and told Cuban
21:42
Speaker 4: Americans they didn't realize how good they had it in Cuba,
21:44
Speaker 4: and the cast was an under.
21:45
Speaker 5: I'm not making this up now. So it's one of
21:48
Speaker 5: those things where like.
21:49
Speaker 4: They recognize that, oh my god, we're about to nominate
21:52
Speaker 4: a guy who's going to run on socialist Trump's really
21:55
Speaker 4: you look, the economy actually was roaring fairly well. Then
21:57
Speaker 4: they kind of recognized that Trump was not going to
21:59
Speaker 4: be easy to beat into one. There was no reason
22:01
Speaker 4: to worry about this weird thing going over in China.
22:03
Speaker 4: There's no reason to think that would affect us, right,
22:05
Speaker 4: and Biden ended up being the nominee.
22:07
Speaker 5: I don't you look at this one.
22:09
Speaker 4: It's interesting, you cannot get the same phenomenon cannot kick
22:13
Speaker 4: in in Wisconsin in a gubernatorial race. And I kind
22:16
Speaker 4: of look at that, and I wonder would that same
22:18
Speaker 4: dynamic shake out the same way today. I think you
22:21
Speaker 4: can say the socialist you know, wing or branch of
22:24
Speaker 4: the party is much stronger than it was back in
22:26
Speaker 4: twenty twenty.
22:27
Speaker 5: I don't know who's going to run.
22:28
Speaker 4: If we talked about AOC earlier in this podcast, I
22:30
Speaker 4: think it's very likely she runs for president. I think
22:32
Speaker 4: she If she does, she'll automatically get endorsed by Bernie,
22:36
Speaker 4: and she will inherit a lot of that Bernie remaining
22:39
Speaker 4: campaign movement and infrastructure there. And I don't know if
22:43
Speaker 4: the Democratic establishment would quickly be able to unite around
22:47
Speaker 4: an alternative candidate if AOC were to win the first
22:50
Speaker 4: couple of primaries. Now they've rejiggered the primary schedule there,
22:53
Speaker 4: I think it's actually a little bit tougher for a
22:54
Speaker 4: Democratic Socialist candidate like AOC to do as well as
22:58
Speaker 4: Bernie did. Most notably that Iowa is not in the
23:01
Speaker 4: top six anymore, but or I should say first six.
23:05
Speaker 4: And so you have this circumstance where is it the
23:08
Speaker 4: DSA is a lot stronger, or is it the Democratic
23:11
Speaker 4: establishment is effectively collapsed and doesn't have that influence that
23:15
Speaker 4: it used to. We will get some answers on Tuesday.
23:17
Speaker 4: My sneaking suspicions at Hong, who's going to win, probably
23:20
Speaker 4: pretty comfortably. I do not think it's going to take
23:22
Speaker 4: them a long time to call this after the polls close.
23:25
Speaker 4: And you know, the good news for Republicans this is
23:27
Speaker 4: it gives them a better chance of winning. But also
23:30
Speaker 4: if you lose, the consequences for the state are much
23:32
Speaker 4: more dire.
23:33
Speaker 1: No question about it, no question about it.
23:35
Speaker 3: This is the same dilemma we've had in some of
23:36
Speaker 3: these other races, including the Michigan Senate race. Do you
23:39
Speaker 3: want the person that's probably easier to beat, but also
23:41
Speaker 3: run the risk that they're one election day away from
23:44
Speaker 3: actually having some power. And so that's the dilemma that
23:47
Speaker 3: Democrats have in Wisconsin. But if she does become the nominee,
23:51
Speaker 3: you created this, Democrats, You allowed all this to fester
23:54
Speaker 3: in your party. So you only have to look in
23:56
Speaker 3: the mirror to find out who to blame on this.
23:58
Speaker 3: And my guess is Tony Iver's political stock. I don't
24:00
Speaker 3: think he has any other future plans anyway, but the
24:02
Speaker 3: way he's tried to manipulate and manufacture this outcome, I
24:05
Speaker 3: don't think has done very well for him in his
24:06
Speaker 3: own party.
24:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just there was a disagreement some of my
24:09
Speaker 4: in our colleagues the other day about things in Iowa
24:12
Speaker 4: are not looking great for Republicans. We talked about Moreno
24:16
Speaker 4: and his son in law, and so somebody was saying, ah,
24:18
Speaker 4: you know, way to go, Mike DeWine. Well, the Wine's
24:20
Speaker 4: not running for reelection. He's in the tail end of
24:22
Speaker 4: his second term. And the thing is that most two
24:25
Speaker 4: term governors, by the time it rules around to their
24:27
Speaker 4: final year in office, they don't have a lot of
24:29
Speaker 4: political jews anymore. They don't have political capital, they don't
24:32
Speaker 4: have that much influence. And I think what we're seeing
24:33
Speaker 4: in this Democratic primary is that Evers, who was never
24:37
Speaker 4: achuse one of my favorite phrases, a whirling dervis of
24:39
Speaker 4: all political charisma, Yes, does not have the ability to
24:43
Speaker 4: direct to the rest to his parties grassroots to say
24:46
Speaker 4: we need to go in this direction, not that direction,
24:49
Speaker 4: but we will see.
24:50
Speaker 3: Well, you definitely do not want socialists winning elections, but
24:53
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Speaker 3: of the great joys of growing up when we did
26:32
Speaker 3: late seventies early to mid eighties phenomenal TV shows, and
26:36
Speaker 3: one of them, of course, was The Dukes of Hazard.
26:38
Speaker 3: Everything a young boy could possibly want, good guys versus
26:42
Speaker 3: bad guys, great cars, cars that jumped, cars that you know,
26:47
Speaker 3: the Crooked Cops with Boss Hog and Roscoe and Kletus
26:51
Speaker 3: and Enis, and of course if you're a growing, maturing boy,
26:54
Speaker 3: then you got Daisy Duke.
26:55
Speaker 1: You have the whole package. You got the whole package.
26:57
Speaker 3: And one of the great characters on that show, of
26:59
Speaker 3: course was Cooter Mechanic, who was always on the side
27:01
Speaker 3: of the Duke family. Against Boss Hog and Roscoe, and
27:04
Speaker 3: he was played by Ben Jones, a great character. And
27:07
Speaker 3: then Ben Jones went on a few years after the
27:09
Speaker 3: show went off the air to become a Congressman from
27:11
Speaker 3: Georgia for two terms. He was elected in nineteen eighty eight,
27:15
Speaker 3: lost after his seat was redistricted after the nineteen ninety census.
27:19
Speaker 3: He was a rival, pretty bitter rival for a time
27:21
Speaker 3: there of Nute Gingrich decided to challenge Nut Gingrich in
27:25
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four. I don't know if you are a
27:28
Speaker 3: student of history there, Jim, but nineteen ninety four running
27:31
Speaker 3: against Nut was not the best timing. Newt won that
27:33
Speaker 3: race by about thirty points and of course became Speaker
27:36
Speaker 3: of the House. You know, compared to the Democrats we've
27:38
Speaker 3: been talking about so far today, Ben Jones is kind
27:41
Speaker 3: of a nice throwback. We didn't like him at the
27:43
Speaker 3: time in Congress, but he's great on the show and
27:45
Speaker 3: you know, great nostalgia.
27:47
Speaker 4: Well, if you can observe that, you know, that was
27:49
Speaker 4: a time when a celebrity running for office was considered
27:53
Speaker 4: pretty rare. Was kind of surprising both he and I
27:55
Speaker 4: guess it was also senior Fred Thompson ran for Senate
27:58
Speaker 4: and insert obligatory a diehard joke here, but just kind
28:03
Speaker 4: of observed like, oh wait, I know that face, I
28:05
Speaker 4: know that guy.
28:05
Speaker 5: I recognize that voice.
28:07
Speaker 4: I also want to point out, first of all, sadly
28:09
Speaker 4: did I learned many times, Greg, did you know that
28:12
Speaker 4: every time the General Lee went over, Like, first of all,
28:15
Speaker 4: Hazard County must have had the most destroyed bridges of
28:18
Speaker 4: any county in the.
28:19
Speaker 1: Entire country, always under construction.
28:20
Speaker 4: Nobody ever built that. There are always you know, ramps
28:22
Speaker 4: on either side and they go up then. And the
28:25
Speaker 4: depressing news is that apparently every time the General Lee
28:28
Speaker 4: did one of those giant ones, it would destroy the suspension.
28:31
Speaker 4: Every day it never like, So do not try this
28:33
Speaker 4: at home, kids. Your car will not get because, like
28:36
Speaker 4: you know, boh loop go and they just act like
28:39
Speaker 4: they just hit a pothole.
28:39
Speaker 5: It was.
28:41
Speaker 4: No whip lash. No, you know, I strog. They didn't
28:45
Speaker 4: even have openable doors. Never buy air bags on either side, right,
28:48
Speaker 4: the idea that you know, so if things went wrong
28:51
Speaker 4: in the General Lee, they were they were toast. Two
28:53
Speaker 4: other observations is that I wonder Greg, if you and
28:56
Speaker 4: I are skeptical of government power in part because of
28:59
Speaker 4: the lessons of the potential police abuses in Hazard County. Yes,
29:04
Speaker 4: but the first sign that the man who's running the
29:06
Speaker 4: county is not a good person, it's because his name
29:08
Speaker 4: is boss Hog. They didn't call him boss Dove. They
29:12
Speaker 4: didn't call him boss you know, wrote like boss hog,
29:16
Speaker 4: you know. And then secondly, you know, obviously the nineteen
29:20
Speaker 4: seventies and nineteen eighties had plenty of attractive women on
29:23
Speaker 4: primetime television. But I don't think nobody names an article
29:27
Speaker 4: of clothing Delannie Anderson's. Nobody named an article clothing the
29:30
Speaker 4: Dolly Partons. However, we all know exactly what Daisy Dukes are.
29:34
Speaker 4: So when you actually, when the article of clothing that
29:37
Speaker 4: you are best known for gets named after you, I
29:40
Speaker 4: think that is a sign of your your dominance of
29:43
Speaker 4: the pop culture of that era. So yeah, So you know,
29:46
Speaker 4: rest in peace, Ben Jones. You know, if nothing else,
29:49
Speaker 4: a man who believed that he could try to make
29:51
Speaker 4: his country a better place and was able to use
29:53
Speaker 4: his you know, primetime television fame into a into mobilizing
29:57
Speaker 4: people to get active in there in his corner of
29:59
Speaker 4: the of the country.
30:00
Speaker 3: So good for him there, and a heck of a
30:03
Speaker 3: fictional mechanic. I mean, he thinks the generally a lot.
30:07
Speaker 3: So anyway, Great Times. The Left basically canceled it after
30:11
Speaker 3: Dylan Rufe had a Confederate flag in his video one time.
30:14
Speaker 3: So they decided, because there's Confederate flag on the General
30:17
Speaker 3: Lee that we have to now cancel everything related to
30:19
Speaker 3: the show.
30:20
Speaker 4: Someone's saying that we're going to try to like digitally
30:22
Speaker 4: take it out and just have an orange cover, which
30:24
Speaker 4: I think is gonna go.
30:25
Speaker 5: But here's the thing.
30:26
Speaker 4: What if you put on a Union flag, I could
30:28
Speaker 4: call it the General Grant.
30:32
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that. I got nothing good to
30:35
Speaker 1: say about the Confederate flag. But I'm not a fan
30:38
Speaker 1: of the canceling either, But.
30:39
Speaker 3: The General Grant, that would definitely be a bit of
30:41
Speaker 3: a shift change the show.
30:44
Speaker 5: Is set up.
30:44
Speaker 4: Or they could reboot it, make it, you know, make
30:47
Speaker 4: Bo and Luke like ardent Union Defenders in Hazard County,
30:52
Speaker 4: Georgia and just have him get strange looks from everyone.
30:55
Speaker 3: Exactly all right, Well again, great memories and again rest
30:59
Speaker 3: in peace, Benjo.
31:00
Speaker 1: It's Jim. I'll see tomorrow.
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Speaker 5: See tomorrow, Greg Jim.
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