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The RFK Assassination Files Pt. 5: Controlling the Narrative · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Wait, true in insurance spit I true, I'm a checkup
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  Speaker 1: with statue that is Wait the.
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  Speaker 2: Adults, Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me his co host this week,
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  Speaker 2: Connor mcspadden's here.
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  Speaker 3: How's it going, man?
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  Speaker 1: I got nineteen dollars for a lap dance, but I
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  Speaker 1: only got a dollar for a cigarette.
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  Speaker 3: What's happening? Is that a quote?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? It's an E forty song?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I fucking love E forty.
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  Speaker 1: I never know what to say when you throw it
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  Speaker 1: in me up top, and I just it was I was,
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  Speaker 1: it was on in the car earlier.
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  Speaker 2: I mean an E forty quote is a good direction
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  Speaker 2: to their always timely Yeah. Yeah, guy's got his own
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  Speaker 2: fucking language.
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  Speaker 1: I got a mirror in my pocket and I practice
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  Speaker 1: looking hard at that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember there's on Sprinkle Me, which is my
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  Speaker 2: favorite E forty song. He says, I took a forty
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  Speaker 2: out of my ball cap and slammed it down my
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  Speaker 2: esopha Garris.
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  Speaker 3: What is your esopha? Garris? Man, that's not a real word.
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  Speaker 3: That's not a part of your body. But it rhymed.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, we're not talking about E forty this week, although
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  Speaker 2: that would be an entertaining episode that guy rips, we
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  Speaker 2: are back on our who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy bullshit,
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  Speaker 2: which is actually not bullshit. I feel like we're the
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  Speaker 2: only people talking about this. RFK deserved better in terms
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  Speaker 2: of how his death is treated.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he deserves more ink, at least more hulla bloom,
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  Speaker 1: more controversy. It's the weirdest assassination ever. There's a ton
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  Speaker 1: of strange things about it. He's like one of the
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  Speaker 1: only I don't know, substantively likable fucking politicians in American history.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Abe Lincoln and RFK, and then the list
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  Speaker 1: gets shorts, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jimmy Carter, you can't even then kind of yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we did agree to wiretap Martin Luther King.
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  Speaker 1: We can't forget that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's RFK Junior's argument is he was
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  Speaker 2: just trying to show the FBI that are that Martin
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  Speaker 2: Luther King Junior wasn't a problem.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Bet so, you know, at Besti's naive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we maybe have gotten some new listeners
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  Speaker 2: over these RFK episodes, because I do think we're one
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  Speaker 2: of the few outfits taking them seriously. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: one of those new listeners, hey thanks stick around. Why
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  Speaker 2: don't you.
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  Speaker 1: Always wanted to be part of an outfit?
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  Speaker 2: So I don't remember where we left off, but I
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  Speaker 2: will say I'm bad at research, which that's actually not true.
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  Speaker 2: I'm great at research, but I on the past few
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  Speaker 2: episodes have been talking about how the first page of
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  Speaker 2: these files keeps changing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, keeps updating when they putting new shit in.
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  Speaker 2: And that's sort of true. But what's actually happening is
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  Speaker 2: the last page of these files is actually the first page,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to go and even that I don't
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  Speaker 2: think is completely correct because they've uploaded these files in
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  Speaker 2: three different batches, which is something I would have realized
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  Speaker 2: if I just read the whole blurb above all of
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  Speaker 2: the files. But who's got time?
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that a lot of people with
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  Speaker 1: library science degrees got acts during the DOGE cuts, So
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this was sort of one of those
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  Speaker 1: things where it's like, you know, a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: we might have had a pretty neat and orderly set
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  Speaker 1: of RFK documents, but then now we're just be happy
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  Speaker 1: they're online.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the part I failed to read from
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  Speaker 2: the archives dot gov home page where all of the
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  Speaker 2: RFK files are stored. The table below displays the file
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  Speaker 2: names and links to all of the documents released related
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  Speaker 2: to the assassination of Senator Robert F.
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  Speaker 3: Kennedy, and then it.
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  Speaker 2: Lists the three batches that they've uploaded April eighteenth, May seventh,
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  Speaker 2: in June twelfth. So that's what was happening when I
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  Speaker 2: first looked at these. It was the April eighteenth release,
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  Speaker 2: which is only two hundred and twenty nine files. The
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  Speaker 2: May seventh release fourteen hundred and ninety nine pdf files,
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  Speaker 2: seventeen audio files, sixty four thy six hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 2: six pages. I have not made it to the May
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  Speaker 2: seventh release yet. I am still in the thick of
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  Speaker 2: the April eighteenth stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I would have thought this would be like your version
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  Speaker 1: of a supreme drop, like you'd be up early, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like getting it waiting at the public library, ready to
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  Speaker 1: dive in.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they only announced the first one when
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  Speaker 2: they put that first batch up, because I remember thinking, God,
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  Speaker 2: that's not that many files. There's only like twenty three
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  Speaker 2: pages of links to files, which that seemed low to me.
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  Speaker 2: I was right that May seventh batch lots of shit
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  Speaker 2: in there, and then there was a June twelfth release
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  Speaker 2: also of another nine thousand, six hundred pages, So I've
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  Speaker 2: got about eighty five thousand pages to scan.
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  Speaker 3: True, we're going to be doing this until we die.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you conspiracy the show here on the shintana U
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  Speaker 4: rfk's shoot Aversary, we're finally ready to put out our
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  Speaker 4: unified field theory of Sir Han.
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  Speaker 2: Then we get to the end and it's just blatantly
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  Speaker 2: obvious that Sir Han did it with no brainwashing or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Right, he has a whole diary with consistent handwriting and
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  Speaker 1: everything where he lays out his anti American views and
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  Speaker 1: knowing certain terms. Yeah, that would be funny. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just as a lover of cosmic irony, you gotta respect
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  Speaker 1: when it comes for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would be pretty great.
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  Speaker 2: So no One that we're working kind of from back
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  Speaker 2: to front makes these files a little easier to navigate.
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  Speaker 2: So the first i'd say six or seven pages, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going starting at one ninety nine working backwards, your
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  Speaker 2: first six or seven pages are all just documents of
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  Speaker 2: what other countries feel about what happened to RFK, like
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  Speaker 2: just world opinion, like taking.
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  Speaker 1: The temperature on the mood in the streets.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's very much that. And you might be wondering, well,
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  Speaker 2: what countries all of them? There is no country small
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  Speaker 2: enough that the American government did not want to know
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  Speaker 2: how they felt about RFK getting killed.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk.
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  Speaker 2: About Zambia at length in a minute, so it's really
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  Speaker 2: an A to Z kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: They're getting every country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we're talking landlocked Petro states in Africa. They
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  Speaker 1: want to know what they thought.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to know what the journalists thought.
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  Speaker 1: Would as Chad, they're thinking never not anymore? Yeah, not
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  Speaker 1: since we haven't mk ultried anyone in a while. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: and yeah maybe.
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  Speaker 2: And we're talking hundreds, if not thousands of files.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of these things like the moon landing. Where
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  Speaker 1: why did mkultra only happen in the sixties? Why do
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  Speaker 1: we suddenly forget how to do it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the found footage horror movie Apollo nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: No, sounds like I would love that shit though.
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  Speaker 2: It is one of my favorite found footage movies, and
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  Speaker 2: it's about why we stopped going to the Moon. In
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  Speaker 2: this movie, they go to the moon and it turns
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  Speaker 2: out the moon rocks. Uh oh, they're spiders and they'll
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  Speaker 2: get inside you and kill it. Okay, So that's why
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  Speaker 2: we never went back the moon rocks or spiders.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody. I want that to be real. I want that
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  Speaker 3: to be a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the moon rang like a bell when the
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  Speaker 1: land dropped on it.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some weird stuff with the movie. And if
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  Speaker 1: you look at the astronauts when they get back from
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  Speaker 1: the moon, you know, especially Aldrin and Armstrong with the
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  Speaker 1: guys are actually down there, they look fucked up. They
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  Speaker 1: look like, oh boy.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't Neil Armstrong say they heard music?
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's some accounts that they just like they're
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  Speaker 1: fucking straight up met dudes. I mean, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: depends on who you believe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to do some hollow moon shit. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think we've ever covered that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went down a hollow moon rabbit hole, and
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  Speaker 1: it's every time I do. There's a surprising amount of
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  Speaker 1: there there. I mean, once you get to the NASA
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  Speaker 1: seismic graph, it's like, well, okay, we got we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about official scientific instruments here.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't there a Native American lower type of story about
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  Speaker 2: when the moon just showed up?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a Native Americans. There's a Native American myth
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  Speaker 1: about the moon appearing in the sky one day. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but so I'm sure it's
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  Speaker 1: fascinating and beautiful. And then the moon is like exactly
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  Speaker 1: proportioned to be perfectly fit over the Sun in case
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  Speaker 1: of an eclipse, with all these like incredibly precise ratios.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, perfect spacing inside. And when sir Hen,
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  Speaker 1: sir Hand looked up at it, he turned into a
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  Speaker 1: werewolf filled with Palestinian rage. He shot the young senator.
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  Speaker 3: Yeap.
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  Speaker 2: That is precisely how it happened. That's directly from the files, by.
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  Speaker 1: The way, that's page Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So all of these files where they're trying to find
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  Speaker 2: out what other countries are feeling about this, it strikes
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  Speaker 2: me as kind of the government trying to control the
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  Speaker 2: narrative around this, because you see where they'll get into
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  Speaker 2: what are local editorials saying versus what is just the
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  Speaker 2: general public saying.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like they're trying to figure out how much
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  Speaker 1: damage control they need to do. Like, okay, how well
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  Speaker 1: did this work initially? Did people just buy this?
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  Speaker 2: And there is a special focus on which countries think
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  Speaker 2: some sort of conspiracy is afoot versus which ones are
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  Speaker 2: just sharing their condolences. That is a a big focus
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  Speaker 2: of these files, and you see over and over in
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  Speaker 2: these files it's mentioned that, well, we don't want another
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  Speaker 2: Dallas situation, we don't want all these questions, and they
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  Speaker 2: still got the questions. I actually, in reading this, I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if RFK was where the government sort of stopped
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  Speaker 2: trying to assassinate people this way, because you see in
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  Speaker 2: these files all this talk about JFK and Jack Ruby
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  Speaker 2: and how we don't want another Dallas. We got to
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  Speaker 2: keep control of the story. So when this assassination happens,
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  Speaker 2: it happens in a room full of witnesses with a
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  Speaker 2: guy just standing shooting at RFK, you have to assume
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  Speaker 2: the government or whoever planned this was like, all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: surely no one's gonna have questions now because it happened
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  Speaker 2: with all these witnesses there and the guy was just
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  Speaker 2: right there shooting, so there should be no conspiracy issues here.
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  Speaker 2: And somehow it's like more of a conspiracy it is
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  Speaker 2: more suspicious than the JFK assassination.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's not like it's not messy. You know, we're
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  Speaker 1: still talking about it. They clearly didn't like file away
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  Speaker 1: all the kinks. I mean, I don't really have a
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  Speaker 1: unified field theory of Jack Ruby, but I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: that you don't want to have to get another nightclub
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  Speaker 1: bonner to shoot another guy on his way to a jails,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get where if that was the idea, Well,
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  Speaker 2: if we just do it with a guy right there
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  Speaker 2: in the room, no one's going to have any questions.
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  Speaker 2: That almost makes sense. But I don't get why shoot
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  Speaker 2: him at point blank range behind the ear. I think
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  Speaker 2: they just fucked up when they did this. I think
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  Speaker 2: it just did not go as smoothly as they planned.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the government's not perfect, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had no shit, definitely valuable people. I mean
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  Speaker 1: there's that other guy. People think we're shooting, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and then it's like was he supposed to shoot the
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  Speaker 1: whole time or did he just start shooting.
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  Speaker 2: I still think the government would have been too bummed
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  Speaker 2: out if Rosie Greer and Rayfer Johnson also got shot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think, Yeah, I don't think they were worried
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  Speaker 1: about that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Because they were big civil rights types also, and they
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  Speaker 2: were right there. Oh yeah, Hans, he had to be
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  Speaker 2: one of the worst fucking shots in history because he
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  Speaker 2: barely hit anything. I mean, he hit Bobby Kennedy, just
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  Speaker 2: not enough to do the job.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, well, they got to send him down the Cube
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  Speaker 1: to do a little training with some exiles, you know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're done to Florida, rather get Jim Jones on the
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  Speaker 1: case at least Oswald fucking he had the green Berets. Shit,
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  Speaker 1: he wrapped a little cord around the barrel of the
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  Speaker 1: rifle to steady it in the window sill, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he had the moves Sir Han could at the
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  Speaker 1: broad side of a barn. Just a mess.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, even if let's say RFK was the last
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  Speaker 2: test run where the government was like, all right, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be able to get away with the
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  Speaker 2: random wacko killed the guy theory anymore.
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  Speaker 3: People are just not for it.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like the next pivot was what happened to
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  Speaker 2: fred Hampton, where they're like, so instead we're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: have the police shoot people in the head. While they sleep,
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  Speaker 2: or yeah, right, you know, blow up the move house
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  Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, shit like that.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna take a more Brionna Taylor approach to this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does seem that that was kind of
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  Speaker 2: the pivot, was all right, fuck it, why try to
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  Speaker 2: hide anymore, We'll just kill people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Which it's you know, it's the thing. You're not
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  Speaker 1: leaning on your levers of manipulation with your fucking contacts
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  Speaker 1: in the press and your little fucking buddy in Zambia.
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  Speaker 1: You are like leaning on your levels of intimidation where
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  Speaker 1: it's just like, well, you got some shit, say about it,
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  Speaker 1: you want to come talk to the cops and shot
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  Speaker 1: it the guy that you're all upset about, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And so later on in these files you see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of talk about how important it is to let
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  Speaker 2: people know Sir Hans Sir Han's getting a fair trial,
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  Speaker 2: and it comes up in the context of Lee Harvey
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  Speaker 2: Oswald in the fact that Jack Ruby shot him and
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  Speaker 2: that made people think something was up. So all of
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  Speaker 2: these early files, again are just the government or the
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  Speaker 2: United States trying to kind of craft this story in
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  Speaker 2: the way they want people to tell it, to the
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  Speaker 2: point that you even see later on there's at the
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  Speaker 2: end of one of these files they mentioned that this
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  Speaker 2: guy was saying some like radical shit about how the
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  Speaker 2: killing of RFK just sort of reflected how Arab people
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  Speaker 2: feel right now, and it's just sort of an extension
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  Speaker 2: of that. And the government fucking went to the BBC
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  Speaker 2: and was like, look, that guy's crazy. Please don't report
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  Speaker 2: on what he's saying anymore. And the BBC was like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, we won't. So even as far back as this,
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  Speaker 2: the government was already cultivating those tactics and relationships with
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  Speaker 2: the media that it seems like they've kind of perfected
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  Speaker 2: now because the media doesn't question shit anymore.
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  Speaker 1: No, And I mean it's gonna they have to be
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  Speaker 1: trading access for some of that stuff, because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everything with an official source came from someone
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  Speaker 1: who has a relationship with someone in the press that
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  Speaker 1: they you know, not leaked it to, but gave it to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, I'm sure there is a perfectly innocent
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  Speaker 2: reason why the absolute first directive to the intelligence outfits
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  Speaker 2: of the world is how are people feeling about this?
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  Speaker 3: Though I guess you would want to know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Could see it in terms of just in terms of
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  Speaker 1: general discontent. You want to kind of be on top
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  Speaker 1: of like rule of law and shit like that, Like,
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  Speaker 1: does this how delegitimized? Do we look like some rump
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  Speaker 1: state now that all of our Kennedy's are going around
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  Speaker 1: getting shot in the face?
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  Speaker 2: But it also to me feels like the kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing you worry about if you did it. If there's
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  Speaker 2: no government culpability in this, what do you care what
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  Speaker 2: fucking Zambia thinks about what happened to Bobby Kennedy?
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  Speaker 1: Way more likely? Yeah, like it.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like this is sort of documenting how people felt,
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  Speaker 2: like not just out of curiosity, but like we're sort
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  Speaker 2: of doing an experiment here and seeing how things are going.
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  Speaker 1: You can almost feel them kind of refining the process
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  Speaker 1: from JFK.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, JFK.
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  Speaker 2: MLK was before RFK also, right, pretty sure, very close proximity.
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  Speaker 3: I think they were a couple months apart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, MLK it was April first and RFK was Gene
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  Speaker 1: sixth Jesus, So yeah, really close together. That's a shitty
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  Speaker 1: two months.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 2: And I cannot stress enough how meticulous all of this is.
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  Speaker 2: Where we're reaching out to these different countries trying to
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  Speaker 2: assess how people are feeling about things. There is no
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  Speaker 2: country that was too small for us to give a
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  Speaker 2: shit about. Example, and I'll link to this in the
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  Speaker 2: show notes, there is a thorough examination of a condolence's
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  Speaker 2: book that was sent from the country of Molly that
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  Speaker 2: goes into detail about the one person who added opinion
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  Speaker 2: to their expression of sympathy and how their take was
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  Speaker 2: just completely opposed to an editorial in a local newspaper
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  Speaker 2: there and again, when I'm reading this, I'm like, why
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  Speaker 2: the fuck do you care?
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  Speaker 3: It's Molly.
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  Speaker 2: What are they going to do? Who cares if they
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  Speaker 2: think something's up?
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  Speaker 1: If this is what they were doing? And Molly and Zambia,
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  Speaker 1: what were they doing in Ohio? The clipboard outside the
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  Speaker 1: grocery store asking people, what do you think sir? Hands
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: are in on RFKA.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: God, yeah, it's wild.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: And this file it includes a transcript of both the
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: article and the comment that was left in this condolence book.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But yeah, tell me more about how we're all too
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: small and obscure for the government to care about spying
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: on us.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Government can spy on all of us. They're good at it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: The despiring one guy who wrote a fucking letter to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the editor exactly the original form of posting. By the way,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was Twitter for cranks back in the day.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I think we're just gonna do an episode at some
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: point about all of the fucking insane letters people sent
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: to the government over this. The government kept them all.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: There must be just shoeboxes and shoeboxes full of.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: That'd be a fun job.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll keepsake letters from fucking crazy people, people who
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: are like, there were so many witnesses, why is there
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: even a trial.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Just kill the guy.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy's out there. I've met that guy before.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and those motherfuckers because there was no social media
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: back then, all they could do was fire off letters
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: to the government. Or we do come across a few
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: like vintage conspiracy theorists in this who were like printing
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: up newsletters at home and mailing them out to.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: People, making themselves a little rfkzine.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not gonna lie.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I if it came to pass that we had to
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: go back to that to make Conspiracy the show happen,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I'd be fine with it.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I'd be fine. Yeah, that would be Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: No more Internet, just running an ad in the back
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: of Conspiracy Monthly so people can check out our zine.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Well, you know it's a podcast. Is great, but you
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: can't hold in your hands like a vinyl record, exactly.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Exactly, I like a physical copy of a podcast.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: So I keep mentioning how at various points there will
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: be pages and pages and pages of the exact same
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: stuff in these files, to the point that you get
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: tempted to just skip that whole batch, thinking, well, that's
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: all fifty pages of nonsense. You'll even get whole batches
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: that are in different languages, and I love you all,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: but I'm not tracking down a fucking translator for this,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: or feeding a bunch of PDFs to AI or whatever
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the fuck.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: So I skip all of that.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: But every once in a while, in the midst of
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: all of these pages that seem like they're the exact
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: same thing, you'll just get randomly inserted weirdness that accidents
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: must happen. We know mk Ultra was only discovered because
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: some fuck face put files in the wrong room.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: God bless is incompetence.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't get destroyed, so we have to accept.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: You know, that was an accident.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Which I just I love that there's one Like there's
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: like some chicken named Pearl in Omaha who was like.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Well I found something strange about going to brothels with LSD.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: It's also nuts.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: How if that didn't happen, we would still just talk
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: about MK ultra like it's a myth or something like.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anything about that would have ever
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: come out.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well they self selected a group of
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: people that would, you know, not be too keen to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah, for a lot of it. But yeah,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: that is one of the great miracles. And it makes
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: me think how many more things exactly like that or
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: been similar in scope of craziness, or just were properly
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: filed Unfortunately.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because after Watergate, which I still think is the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: most overrated government scandal of all time. Oh yeah, that's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: when the government just started shredding documents left and right,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and that's how most of the mk ultra stuff got destroyed.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: But just that one box. I think it was like
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: accounting files or something that got found.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Crazy, something boring like that fucking Nixon. He could never
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: quit when he was ahead.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: So this time around, in this batch of files, I
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: was going through. There is again some just weird shit
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: inserted in the middle of all this that you have
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to think is probably just an accident case in point
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and again we'll link to all of this at one point.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: In the middle of all of these, Well, what does
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Zambia think about what's happening? And who signed the condolence's
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: book in Romania? Do we need to look into any
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: of them? There's just a random memo that seems to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: be like an internal newsletter from the US Embassy in Peru,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and the only thing that sort of relates to RFK
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: is the date of this file. Well, the date and
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the fact that right up top it mentions there will
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: be no staff meeting on June tenth, but that there
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: will be one on June seventeenth in the US AID
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: conference room.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Connor.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Who thought that name was going to come up? You
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: know who else came up in one of the files
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I looked at today.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Who George Soros? Wow, Yeah, that's quite a go. I
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: didn't know he he went that far back. I didn't
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: know he was like one of these Roger Stone figures data.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we'll talk about it more later, but
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: it's just completely random. How he comes up, he's just
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: happens to be working at a place where they want
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to talk to someone and they're like, well, Soros says,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: he knows where you can find the and it's like
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: that's all there is to it. But still seeing his
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: name alarming.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: His kid just married Huma Aberdeen. Did you see that?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: No shit, that's a conspiracy. The show wedding.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, my god.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You can practically see the scales on these people as
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: they're like, they're just it's so lizard. The lizard people
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: vibes are off the charts. It's like they have a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: picture of like what is supposedly like the first kiss,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and it looks like Alex Soros's first fucking kiss. It
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: looks like he's never been kissed before in his gay
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: little life. I did get very strong show wedding vibes
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: from the whole thing.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I bet the adrenochrome at that wedding was fucking top notch,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: just chilled icy.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I bet they had an adrenochrome. Fountain probably would.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Have knocked Hunter Thompson on his ass.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: The Preu embassy is really weird. It's like if there's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a bunch of JFK files, and there was like like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like the schedule, like the YMCA schedule of from Omaha
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that was just from the week of when it happened,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and like you want.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: To assume it's just there by accident, But also why
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: if the dates weren't so close, I would just write
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: this off completely as being of no importance at all.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: But the fact that it was put out right around
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the time RFK was killed, and it mentions no meeting
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: on the ninth, but a meeting on the seventeenth in
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Peru the only one we're fined in this. I mean,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: there's like I just said, like eighty thousand pages have
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: to go through, which, by the way, it's not like
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: reading eighty thousand pages like for a lot of this stuff.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Each file would also have a cover letter and for
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: some reason, a diagram of the ballroom where RFK was killed.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: M hm.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So that makes reading shit like this way easier. You
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: can just skip a bunch of stuff. Oh fuck, but
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: this internal newsletter, it's exactly that. It's like for sale listings,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: people being like, hey, we're going to be in DC
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: for three months. Is anyone in DC going to be
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: in Peru for three months? Do you want to tray
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: eight apartments?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Guys? I got a nineteen sixty six Chrysler station Wagon,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: eight passengers, air conditioned, power steering, power brakes.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: It also there's thing about the bowling league that the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Peru embassy has going. Los Miserablas are leading the bowling league,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: but Tramplestis and Los Matadores close behind, tightly contested race.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I hope we find out how that ended somewhere in
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: these files or I'm gonna be pissed.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of a cock teas there. Government, come on.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Need to know who won that.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: And I want to know if this guy sold his
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: electric mixer exactly the Hamilton Beach mixet hand model.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Can't go wrong with the Hamilton Beach you know.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Nah, it's a quality product.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: And it is.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Weird how much USAID comes up in this just because
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: of Trump and his fucking boner for USA, which it
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: feels like he didn't even give a shit about US eight.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I think that was Elon Musk's in for more because
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: you don't hear shit about it now. I mean they
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: basically disbanded USAID. I keep calling USAID spies and people
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: get mad at me. I get not everyone who works
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: for USAID is a fucking spy.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did twelve nice things so they could just
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: have their own private cookie jar for Dvius shit all
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: over the world.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: But also, if you say there's no spies in USAID.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: You're a spy. So yeah, take that. Well, it's one
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of these points where it makes you sound right wing
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: if you think the USA it's sexually sucky, and so.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this file it probably means nothing. But those dates
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: are a meaty coincidence. And I mentioned all the time.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: If this was a true crime podcast, we would get
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to say, well, there's no such thing as coincidences, But
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: because it's a conspiracy podcast, we have to take this
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: as a coincidence.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: That's how that works.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Coincidences all the time. Media coincidence would be a great
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: drag name for you as a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, that would.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: So this newsletter isn't the only weird thing in this
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: section of the files. But first I can mentioned in Zambia.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: It's not just a great way to stay in shape,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: stupid zooma joke.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: They are but one of countless countries whose reaction to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the rfk assassination was deeply scrutinized. It seems like the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: government really wanted to keep tabs on and in some
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: cases control how the story was covered, including when it
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: came to opinions, and they were especially concerned with anyone
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: who suggested there was a conspiracy afoot or even any
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: sort of connection between JFK, MLK and RFK and their assassinations.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And at one point this Zambia file talks about how
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the country's education minister was talking to quote Ambassador good
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: End quote, which I'm sure that was quite an ironic
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: name for whatever that fellow was getting up to in
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Zambia on behalf of the American government in the sixties.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It sounds like who named him? Like a Chinese person
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: opening a small business exactly. It's like Ambassador Happy and.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: He mentioned to the ambassador that people were quote saying
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: some pretty bad things end quote about the United States
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: in the wake of the RFK shooting. It's interesting. One
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: thing that is pretty clear in a lot of these
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: files is that some of the reports the government's getting
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: back are just people being like, all right, well, I
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: gotta fucking tell them something. Nothing's really happening, but I
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: gotta report something it's.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Like, you gotta pretend to do your job.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, somewhere in the Zambia file, there's this
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: report back to the United States from the embassy there
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: where they say that one of their informants told them
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: that a friend of theirs was so mad about RFK
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: he was thinking to go into the embassy and breaking
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: some windows.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: It's like, no one talks that way. Noone would be like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I'm so mad. I could break a window.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I tell you, I'm so esteemed. I could commit misdemeanor.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: What do you call that vandalism?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I could pour some sugar in a gas tank right now,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I'm so irate.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: No one said that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Why I could just sault a lawn.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: So shortly after this conversation with Ambassador Good, the head
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: of Zambia's TV news, a guy named as you'd expect
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: out of the Batty, implied on an evening news program
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: that there was a link between the JFK, MLK and
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: RFK assassinations and that all of this was because a
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: culture of violence was cultivated in America and all sorts
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: of other blasphemous shit.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the culture of violence,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: but that definitely didn't help. So you know, yeah, for sure,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: we definitely had a lot of guns lying around to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: stage these assassinations with I mean fucking Osbourne Oswald Osbourne, Yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Norman Osborne, Lee Harvey Oswald. He bought his gun on
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the mail. I think he made it himself and put
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: it together himself.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Don't shoot JFK.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big thing that comes up throughout these
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: files a lot. Also is the guns by mail thing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I think that ended very shortly after RFK was killed.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: But remembering that souvenir program I got from the Reagan Library,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: they also mentioned that at the end, they're like, oh,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: there's still only a few months left for some crazy
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: lunatic to try and copy O RFK, Like you want
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that to happen, don't you.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Goddamn they're trying to kill Malcolm X ahead a schedule.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And so, in response to this TV appearance by ado Vibahtti,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the FEDS tried to get a message to then Zambian
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: President Kenneth Konda to assure him that this had nothing
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to do with America, and that was obviously true, Connor,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: because the shooter wasn't even American.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Duh okay, okay.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: But the message did not reach him in time, and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: when President Kanda finally addressed the assassination, he framed it
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: in terms of of America being rotten to the core,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: prompting Ambassador Good to fire off a letter to Zambia's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Minister of Foreign Affairs, taking exception to statements from government
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: officials that some sort of conspiracy was afoot. And this
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: document notes that the minister didn't reply through any other
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: official channels, but he did acknowledge in an interview that
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: he got the letter from the US, and then went
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: on in that same interview to describe US politics as
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the politics of gunpowder and said he found it hard
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: to believe that the killing of RFK was anything other
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: than part.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Of a plot.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes somebody this English is not their first language,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and they really just say some just really dank shit
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: in English. You know, like you used the politics of gunpowder.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh fuck, I was a bar.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: That's a good one.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Shit.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: And so after he did this, the embassy decided to
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: stop replying to the discourtesy. After that, so even in Zambia,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, tiny ass Zambia knowing nothing about Africa
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and country sizes, geography, any of that could be the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: biggest country in Africa for all I know, whatever the case,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't expect that we would give this much of
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: a shit about what Zambia's Minister of Foreign Affairs has
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to say about URFK getting shot.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: But we sure as shit did, boy did we?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah? It almost makes more sense to me is does
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Canada think we're a bitch now, you know? Or that's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: our neighbor. You know, we got to fucking deal with
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Canada on the day to day. This is like spying
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: on a guy across town to see if he cares
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: about your haircut.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: It's strange how much they cared about this shit.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: It's almost like the deep state is really insecure, Like
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: do we do a good job? They do they believe
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: this in Zambia?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Do they think we did good?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And what's really alarming about this is this is all
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: happening like days after the assassination, that they're reaching out
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: for this info and so somehow, how the government was
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: just one hundred percent unified in their belief about what happened,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: well before any sort of real investigation could have happened.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: We already knew what we wanted other countries to say happened,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: which nothing weird about that.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot of record of spirited debate
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: within our own government. There were Williams much people saw
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I'm shooting.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: So one thing this, I guess has sort of been
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: in the government's defense sort of thing. But one thing
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: that's really clear when you start digging into these files
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: is that thing where if there's like a really big
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: investigation happening, you'll see if authorities go on TV and
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: they're like, listen, tips are fucking flooding in and we
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: have to follow up on every one of them. You
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: see that here, and you can tell how much of
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: a drain on resources that kind of shit would be.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And one of the best examples in this there is
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a journalist named John Kimchi who he comes up repeatedly
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: in this section because he was adamant that he had
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: information about Sir Hans Sirhan that the authorities did not have. Basically,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: his claim was that after coming to the US in
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, Sir Han left again, married a woman
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: in Jordan, spent four months in Damascus, in another five
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: months in Cairo, then came back to the US.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Been there, brother.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in the US, the thinking among the government was
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: that Sir Hans Sirhan came here in nineteen fifty seven
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: and never left, so we got a discrepancy here.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, what they definitely didn't do is teach
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: him how to shoot. Yeah, or if they did, he
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: took him eight years. He forgot.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: So there's a whole bunch of cables and memos and
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: records of interviews where various investigators are going back and
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: forth about these claims. They finally interview John Kimchi and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: during this interview it starts dawning on everyone. Oh there's
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: another Sir Hans Sirhan, and you're talking about that guy
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: who is also named Sir Hans Sirhan, but he is
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: sir Han Salim Sirhan Abu Khader who did do all
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of the things John Kim she thought. Unfortunately for him,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the sir Han Sirhan in question was sir Han Bishara Sirhan.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: He is the one involved in the rfk assassination. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: this shit carried on for a long time before they
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: figured out this guy just had the wrong person.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Pretty racist if you ask me. Yeah, taken all guys
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: who are named sir Han Sarhan. It's been incredibly obscured me.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And in one of the last memos though, this is
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: where the BBC thing happens, it's mentioned that there was
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a BBC article that quoted a guy who was said
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to be quote secretary of Extremist Action Committee on Arab
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: American Relations, who felt like the killing reflected quote frustration
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: of many Arabs with American politicians who have sold the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Arab people of Palace onto the Zionist Jewish voters end quote.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: And this is.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Where in response, the US Embassy in London literally calls
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the BBC and is like, hey, don't please, don't let
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: that guy have any more airtime on the BBC. And
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: they were like, all right, no worries, which again really
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: trying to keep control over how this story is being told.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: That's well, it's like he's not he doesn't even have
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the right guy. It's that's like them being you got
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: to stop platforming the dude who claims to be Bill
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Clinton's black son. You ever see that guy? That guy's
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: pretty fun.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: No, that's amazing, Sure it's Bill Clinton. I mean, do
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you think I'm not going to pause to Google. Ye,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, Danny Williams. This guy named Danny Williams claims
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to be Bill Clinton's son. And you know what, He's
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: got the smile, you know, I get the nose. He
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: looks like him a little bit, doesn't It's like I
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: could definitely see it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just can't picture Bill Clinton having an affair
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: outside marriage. Not like him.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not old. What's the opposite of slick willy, faithful willy?
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: That's a good yeah, monogamous willy.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So we talked about the Peru memo already and how
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: when you're going through these files you really do have
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to at least glance at every page because sometimes just
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: some weirdness will pop up.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Just a menu for a tie place in Arkansas.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is shit like that in these early files
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: about reactions from other countries. Another example, there's a random
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: memo about these negotiations that happened in Paris that were
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: meant to try and end the Vietnam War. And again,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: the only way they tie into RFK at all is
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: that the memo is dated June ninth, nineteen sixty eight.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: And then there's also a US AID memo where someone
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: is talking to someone from Sierra Leone and this guy
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: from the government of Sierra Leone is like, we could
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: use more money, and USA it is like you're not
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: going to get it. That memo is in there for
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: some reason.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Also, that seems like it could just be a slip
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: of the Yeah, I mean, it's like just the way
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that this has all been kind of like haphazardly presented.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: It's like they didn't want or expect anyone to actually
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: read all of it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some of this stuff has to be
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: in there on accident. But then again, in the midst
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: of hundreds and hundreds of files about how other countries
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: reacted to this, there's a State Department telegram labeled secret
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: that up top says quote subject blond in Kennedy case.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Well, knowing the Kennedys, she's probably pretty.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Hot, goddamn right. And I saw that, and I'm like,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: all right, I'm listening. It's from the American Embassy in Paris,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and it's short enough that I'm going to read it all.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the first two words mean, just
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a heads up, panjin nice parentheses essential protect in parentheses,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: reports following info possibly pertinent to search for blonde mentioned
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: in Kennedy assassination.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Lena L.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Mctatti, Lebanese UN Guide address two six' Five east sixty Third,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Street New, york five feet, five one hundred and twenty,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: pounds very blonde Born, baghdad twenty five years, old allegedly
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: violently Anti jewish spat On israeli ambassador TO un After
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: june sixty. Seven war Visited beirut last. Fall contract ended
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: WITH Un may twenty. Eight her father was reportedly captured
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: By israelis one year ago and is In Tel aviv.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Prison member Of Al fata rather reportedly crippled By jewish
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: underground cousin also Un guide end.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Quote who the fuck is this? Now and who is
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the blonde in The kennedy?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: CASE i always thought the girl in the polka dot
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: dress had black, Hair that's.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: WHAT i was just. Thinking was it one of the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: other political figures that was there with? Him maybe it
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: was one of, Those was that chick? Blond it was
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: a guy and a.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Girl, YEAH i don't.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Know, well the girl is the the girl in the
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: polka dot dress is the girl everyone says they saw
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: with Sir. Han sirhan not, everyone but there are As
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: i've been going through these there are actually a pretty
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: decent number of witnesses who reported seeing her. Again the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: government decided that was a hoax like ten days into the. Investigation,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: yeah which blows my. Mind And, yeah if this is
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: like another possible name for the girl in the polka dot,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: dress that's.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Interesting OTHERWISE i don't. KNOW i don't know who the.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Blonde this is the first Time i've heard anything about
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the blonde in The kennedy. Case and none of the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Descriptions i've found for the girl in the polka dot
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: dress after seeing, this none mention her hair.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Color But i'm seeing dark hair.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Here, Yeah i've always heard her described as having black.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Hair so who is the blonde in The kennedy?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Case saw one girl that was in there the pantry
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: that had a pug nose and dark. Hair how do
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you like that for your physical? Description through for.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: History, yeah there was one of THE rfk episodes that
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you weren't, on and we talked about another name that
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: was tossed out in one of these files as possibly
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: being the girl in the polka dot. Dress and it
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: was a woman Named Carol Frandon and the main thing
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: that made her doctor suspect she might have been the
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: girl in the polka dot. DRESS i, mean there were other,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: things but he was like a lot of hair on
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: her arms seems pretty Pretty Middle Eastern mediterranean to.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Me oh, oh was that there's a lot of hair
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: on her?
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Arm?
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Nice so, yeah if this isn't the girl in the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: polka dot, DRESS i don't know who the fuck this.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Is who the blonde woman in The kennedy case.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Is i'm trying to remember all the people that were
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: in the. Room it was the two, Activists bobby Sir,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: han polka dot, dress cop, guy security guy.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Whatever and, again this is just a file by itself
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: in the midst of all of this stuff about well
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Does zambia have the blues BECAUSE rfk got? Assassinated is
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: anyone sad about? It how's everyone? Feeling and then just
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: this ran the mass page about the blonde in The
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: kennedy case and then it goes right back to condolences
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and conspiracy theory.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Stuff this is something you.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Bury, yeah, Yeah and for all the talk of the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: girl in the polka dot dress being a, hoax one
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Thing i've, found especially going through these, files when they
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: get to the point where they're interviewing the people who
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: are at the. Hotel there's a big disparity between how
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: casual they are about the girl in the polka dot,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: dress where they're, like, oh, yeah well the one girl
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: said it's a, hoax so we don't need to look
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: into that. Anymore, meanwhile they interview every fucking person who
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: was at that, hotel like there is if you were
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: at The Ambassador hotel that, night you're in THESE fbi.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Files guaranteed they talked to. Everyone they talked to people
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: who checked out before the shooting, happened they talked to
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: people who didn't check in until after the shooting. Happened
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: but somehow this girl in the polka dot, dress they're, like,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: hoax we don't need you, can't don't send us any
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: tips on.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: That. Yeah it's just makes me sad that we got
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: all this shit now and we probably still never. Know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: YEAH i guess we just get a more colorful portrait
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Lie, yeah you gotta assume if there was anything really
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: damning in, here they would have probably just taken it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Out.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: YEAH i think the government's still gonna lie to, us
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: even though we have The freedom Of Information.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Act IF i was the president and they were like
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: do you want to put out the files that say
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that we KILLED, Rfk Then i'd be, like, NO i,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: KNOW i don't want to deal with. THAT i don't
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: need everyone fucking hating me even more right.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Now, Yeah i'm.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: INTERESTED i want to know what, else because this is
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: just gonna be sixty thousand pages of people's feelings on what.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: HAPPENED i don't, Know LIKE i keep When i'm going
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: through this. Stuff i'm WHEN i get these weird one off,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Memos i'm trying to save those separately to see if
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: maybe those are all gonna fucking work their way back
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: to each other at some point tie into.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: THIS i don't. KNOW i don't fucking.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Know, YEAH i feel we're just looking at the foot
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: of the. Elephant.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah And i've gone through more of the file SINCE
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: i researched this, episode and we got.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Some stuff coming. UP i found some pretty wild, shit.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Even more than an Anti jewish Blonde.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Muslim one of the interesting THINGS i found that will
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: come up more on the next. Episode for, One Desi
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: arnez comes.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Up, hell, yeah, yeah he in.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: THAT i just like randomly opened a file and it
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: said we showed a picture Of Sir hans Sir han
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: To Desi. Arnez he did not, recognize, like were you
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: just doing that? Too just going to every fucking celebrity
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and be, like you know this.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Guy we Showed johnny carrs in a picture Of sir
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Hensor han nothing, again but it was.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Still in the.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Envelope he did the Amazing karnak. Thing, mm BUT i
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: don't THINK i knew in. THIS i feel like could
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: maybe be an episode all into. Itself But Sir Hans
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: sirhan was a ro, secruci which oh, Shit, yeah that's
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: a whole.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Thing that comes up in these.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Files shan was practicing. Witchcraft he would have been probably
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: an ideal MK ultrac candidate because he's already screwing with his.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Head i've done a lot of research into you, know
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: magic with A k type, shit just because it's. Fine
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: but what you got to know is that all of
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: that stuff is just an exercise in giving yourself. Psychosis,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: yeah so if you're already, there you, know you got
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to be pretty easy to get, to you, know Shoot Bobby.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Kennedy and there's also THIS i believe was In, pasadena
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: which is Where Sir Hans sirhan was. Located someone put
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: an ad In Pasadena news not long Before kennedy was
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: killed that just said need one thousand dollars. Danger, okay
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: WELL i don't know who was.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: That damn it's me from another.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Life and, yeah there's a lot of weirdness coming. Up
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: there's a random note that just shows up in a
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: post office that tells people where to find the person
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: who killed OUR. Fk some guy named Mister uno popping
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: up in these.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Files that's a great name for some.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Reason there's a whole bunch of pages about a guy
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Named John pollock who was arrested in nineteen forty.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Nine no, clue no clue why that's in. There but
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of that.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Shit we're going to talk about his brother that got.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Canceled slur, hand slur.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Hand so, yeah we're gonna talk about all of that
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: shit and more on upcoming.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: EPISODES i Think i've got four or five more.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Episodes, wow at least.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: That we can get out of just these files so.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Far it's interesting, shit AND i am going to read
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: them all so the rest of the world doesn't have.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: To, yeah it's, interesting trying to use my unified field
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: theory of conspiracies to kind of read between the lines a.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Bit, yeah it's interesting. Research i'm looking forward to getting
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: through all of. These then maybe we'll DO jfk next
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: or maybe at the same, time who.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Knows BUT i THINK i did figure out the connection
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: between JFK mlk and rfk K k. Killo.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Shit that is pretty.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Deep, yep it's pretty fucking. Deep i'm for us to
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: chew onto the break and.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah George soros again is going to come. Up got
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a couple more possibilities for the girl in the polka dot,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: dress even though she wasn't, Real so we'll talk about
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: all that on upcoming. Episodes until, THEN i think we did. It,
• 47:38
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• 47:40
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• 47:51
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• 48:21
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