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One PIece, 700-702 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me,
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  Speaker 1: covering one piece episodes seven hundred through seven oh two,
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  Speaker 1: The Ultimate Power, The Secret of the ap Op Fruit,
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  Speaker 1: Sad Memories, Law, The Boy from the White Town, and
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  Speaker 1: a Celestial Dragon, Dopey Stormy Past. In these episodes, it's backstory, backstory,
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  Speaker 1: backstory as far as the eye can see, and I
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  Speaker 1: am very into it.
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  Speaker 2: Actually. Welcome to spoil Me.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: very much to Florian for commissioning this episode of Florence says,
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  Speaker 1: I have an internship part of my studies till end
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  Speaker 1: of March.
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  Speaker 2: Lot's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, regarding needing the spreadsheet, but no worries. Just
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  Speaker 1: if it's easier, I'll just email you. I tend to
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  Speaker 1: use discord because that's how you contact me, but I
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  Speaker 1: can do something else, that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys know that.
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  Speaker 1: Like I can kind of be a little bit back
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  Speaker 1: and forth sometimes on backstories because not that I'm not
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  Speaker 1: like usually interested in them, but sometimes the way that
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  Speaker 1: the show does backstory, it feels almost redundant, like I've
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  Speaker 1: put most of this together already and it's it gives
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  Speaker 1: filler a little bit, or it would be something that like,
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  Speaker 1: for example, with Rebecca, her character is just not interesting
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  Speaker 1: enough to make her backstory interesting. So as much as
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  Speaker 1: there was some stuff that I was like, Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: interesting to know, I was just sort of whatever about
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  Speaker 1: her whole story. It was more the mystery of why
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  Speaker 1: she and her mother were living out in the Boonies
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  Speaker 1: the way they were when they were clearly royalty. That
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  Speaker 1: was like the thing that kind of caught my imagination.
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  Speaker 1: But Rebecca herself whatever and this, Like, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a nice sort of combo. Both backstories are somewhat interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Dophi's we had kind of put together from just the
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  Speaker 1: fleeting like glimpses that we've gotten and the way that
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  Speaker 1: he talks about his father. It seems pretty clear, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the way that probably went down, but because
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  Speaker 1: his is intermixed with laws and laws is really different.
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  Speaker 1: Law is like I hadn't put together any of this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel like there were really clues to it.
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  Speaker 1: If there were, I just wasn't, you know, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have the info to realize they were clues. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that the two of them both getting backstorre together
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  Speaker 1: within this section works really nicely and just keeps things
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  Speaker 1: moving pace wise pretty well. So let's start with seven
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  Speaker 1: hundred The Ultimate Power, the Secret of the.
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  Speaker 2: Op Op Fruit.
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  Speaker 1: And this is sort of an interesting thing because there
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  Speaker 1: is a power with it that grants immortality basically, and
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  Speaker 1: this is why do Flamingo wanted the fruit and apparently
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  Speaker 1: law ate it without permission, which I think is very
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  Speaker 1: very funny. Actually, I really do enjoy the fact that
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  Speaker 1: there are so many like devil fruit thefts going around,
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  Speaker 1: that so many people are like trusting somebody else with
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  Speaker 1: it or thinking that they can like come back to
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  Speaker 1: it when they're ready, and then it's been eaten already.
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  Speaker 2: I just that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 1: It sort of reminds me of like the story of
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  Speaker 1: the Three Brothers with Hermione. It's I say this, that
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  Speaker 1: story is an old story. She did not write the
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  Speaker 1: story for Harry Potter. But you know the fact that
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  Speaker 1: there are things that just can cause death because they
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  Speaker 1: inspire such greed in people.
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  Speaker 2: And while people.
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  Speaker 1: Don't necessarily die in this show, the type of reaction
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  Speaker 1: that they have to this betrayal is kind of just
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  Speaker 1: as dramatic in a way, So I want to jump
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  Speaker 1: ahead to find the exact forgive you guys, I'm scrolling
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  Speaker 1: through here because it's a lot further into the episode
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  Speaker 1: than I remembered. But Law says, as a former celestial
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  Speaker 1: dragon banished from Mariegeois, how do you still wield their
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  Speaker 1: power to do? Flamingo CPO is working directly under the
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  Speaker 1: World government. But you called them here this morning and
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  Speaker 1: do Flamingo says, really, is that what you want to
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  Speaker 1: do with your last request? Because I'll tell you, but
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  Speaker 1: it seems like a weird thing to choose. And he says,
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  Speaker 1: I know about their holy Grail, something that is kept
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  Speaker 1: in the holy land of Mariegeois. Its very existence could
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  Speaker 1: shake humanity. And I am really curious why this knowledge
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  Speaker 1: wasn't something that his father could leverage to get back
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  Speaker 1: in with them.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it only gets you so far.
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  Speaker 1: The use of the power is a lot lower probably
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  Speaker 1: on their list of luxuries, I guess, than being part
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  Speaker 1: of the family. And so yeah, he says, those cowards
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  Speaker 1: became quite cooperative once they realized they couldn't kill me,
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  Speaker 1: though they did try. If only I had had the
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  Speaker 1: ap op fruit at that crucial point in time, things
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  Speaker 1: would have played out a bit differently. I would have
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  Speaker 1: been able to utilize Mariegeoi's national treasure and seize the
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  Speaker 1: world by the neck that day, which I'm like, what
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  Speaker 1: is this? I'm really curious, And aside from personality transplant surgery,
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  Speaker 1: there's another use. Are you even aware of that fact?
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  Speaker 1: Law In the right hands, the ap op fruit has
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  Speaker 1: the power to make mankind's oldest, most sought after dream
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  Speaker 1: a reality. That's why you will hear many of many
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  Speaker 1: people refer to it as the ultimate devil fruit. And this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, has it's been pointed out that this is
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  Speaker 1: also the opop fruit, which I do think has to
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  Speaker 1: be on purpose, right, this is very funny, and Las says, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I have no interest in using it that
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  Speaker 1: way though. The perpetual youth surgery, right, it grants eternal life.
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  Speaker 1: And then he adds like, because there's an interstitial here
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  Speaker 1: and this was killing me.
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  Speaker 2: You guys, I was just.
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  Speaker 1: Like, it grants eternal life. Why are you not more
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  Speaker 1: like excited about this? It just felt like he just says, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: eternal life interstitial And I was like what And then
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  Speaker 1: he goes and yet by performing it, the surgeon sacrifices
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  Speaker 1: their own in exchange. I am very curious how this
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  Speaker 1: works when he says the surgeon sacrifice is their own
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  Speaker 1: in exchange. Isn't the person who ate the fruit the surgeon?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So basically, if Dofie were to perform the Eternal youth
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  Speaker 1: surgery on or if Law were to perform it on
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  Speaker 1: Do Flamingo, like Law would sacrifice his youth to give
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  Speaker 1: to do Flamingo.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: And essentially it's like youth is a resource that can
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  Speaker 1: be drained, and I don't know if it would leave him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, Florian says Law would.
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  Speaker 2: Die because I was thinking maybe it would just leave
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  Speaker 2: you really old.
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  Speaker 1: If it just steals your youth, that maybe you just become,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like an eighty five year old or something, but.
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  Speaker 2: Actually killing you.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what and Dophie says, that's why I
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  Speaker 1: had no intentions of letting you eat it, but you
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  Speaker 1: repaid my kindness with betrayal. So who was it that
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  Speaker 1: he was intending to have eat this fruit? I am
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  Speaker 1: assuming that the way that he's talking about this is
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  Speaker 1: that he because like just describing earlier when he caught
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  Speaker 1: back up with his family and how he was about
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  Speaker 1: to handle things a certain way. The way I assumed
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  Speaker 1: this would go is that he would make one of
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  Speaker 1: them eat it and perform the surgery on him.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know how you trick.
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  Speaker 1: Them into eating it or convince them to eat it
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  Speaker 1: or whatever I mean do Flamingo, The way he talked
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  Speaker 1: about wanting the fruit for himself, of course made it
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  Speaker 1: sound like he wanted to eat the fruit, but evidently
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  Speaker 1: he just had a plan for it that was going
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  Speaker 1: to go a different direction. And I'm very very by
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  Speaker 1: how he was going to make this happen and who
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  Speaker 1: he had in mind. Also, like if there was somebody
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  Speaker 1: specific that he was like, I'm gonna make you personally eat.
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  Speaker 2: This looking thing. But it seems like.
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  Speaker 1: Such a shitty like calling it the ultimate devil fruit.
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  Speaker 1: I get it because of how insane that ability is,
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  Speaker 1: but also the fact that it basically kills you if
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  Speaker 1: you do it. Then, like, do most people know that?
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  Speaker 1: Is that common knowledge? Or is that one of those
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  Speaker 1: things that it's like people know that it grants eternal life,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't know the fine print, Because in that case,
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  Speaker 1: I would understand more.
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  Speaker 2: If not, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if It's like if somebody were already on
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  Speaker 1: their deathbed and they did this, would it be something
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  Speaker 1: where like they can die a little bit more peacefully
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  Speaker 1: and their sacrifice is act actually like useful to the
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  Speaker 1: person who is left behind. Or if you're already dying,
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  Speaker 1: does it kind of change the way the power works?
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  Speaker 1: Or if you're already old, does it matter if you're
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  Speaker 1: if you.
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  Speaker 2: Have you anymore or not?
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  Speaker 1: I am I'm always like very curious you guys know
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  Speaker 1: about like the logistics of extrapolating out from a very
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  Speaker 1: simple explanation of a power and then going like what
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  Speaker 1: about this?
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  Speaker 2: What about that?
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  Speaker 1: So this conversation between the two of them, like.
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  Speaker 2: I the what it sounds like. At first, it sounds
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  Speaker 2: more like.
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  Speaker 1: You stole a thing from me that I wanted for myself,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm pissed about it.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of like you stole a thing that I was
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  Speaker 1: going to use on somebody else. And I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to give him too much credit because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that is true, but one could interpret it as and
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  Speaker 1: I am not going to ask you to perform the
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  Speaker 1: surgery and sacrifice yourself because.
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  Speaker 2: That would kill you. And this wasn't the.
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  Speaker 1: Plan, you know, Like I said, I don't really think
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  Speaker 1: that that's true, because once you betray him by eating it,
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  Speaker 1: probably do Flamingo is.
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  Speaker 2: Just like whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously at this point with Trafalgar, like I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how old Tragar was by the time he eat this fruit,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that it's obvious that he's fine with
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  Speaker 1: killing him now. But you can't get him to perform
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  Speaker 1: the surgery now, so sorry about it. He could have
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  Speaker 1: maybe asked a law to perform the surgery without warning
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  Speaker 1: him what it would do to him and trying like
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  Speaker 1: really screw him that way. But it's possible that Law
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  Speaker 1: ate the fruit already knowing that part and that danger,
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  Speaker 1: and so there wasn't going to be a way to.
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  Speaker 2: Tricken like that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So most of the fight between the two of them
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  Speaker 1: is between the two of them, and Loofy isn't as
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  Speaker 1: much a part of this. He kind of gets kicked
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  Speaker 1: off to the side pretty early on in the fight
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  Speaker 1: after doing I think gum gum octopus legs something like that.
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  Speaker 1: And like another thing that's going on earlier in the
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  Speaker 1: episode is like revisiting again with people who are trying
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  Speaker 1: to control their bodies and failing, and there's like half
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  Speaker 1: of the kingdom is on fire. We've got animals stampeding,
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  Speaker 1: we've got children that are like crying for their parents
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  Speaker 1: in the street, and all of these like soldiers who
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  Speaker 1: are using what do you call it, tranquilizer darts on
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  Speaker 1: these animals. It's like a weird assortment because at first
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  Speaker 1: it's like cows and horses, and then you start to
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  Speaker 1: see tigers and elephants and lions. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: elephants is just bashing its head against the bird cage
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  Speaker 1: wires that are surrounding the entire island, and one of
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  Speaker 1: the guys is saying, like, this is really weird. It
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  Speaker 1: seems like they know something is coming, like why are
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  Speaker 1: they so upset?
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  Speaker 2: Which was really foreboding.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like it's such an offhanded comment that it
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  Speaker 1: would be easy to kind of forget this. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to keep it in mind because how slowly the
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  Speaker 1: show tends to progress through certain plot points. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be surprised if nothing comes of this for like six
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  Speaker 1: more episodes, and then all of a sudden it starts
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  Speaker 1: to be, oh, there's an earthquake. Happening, or something is
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  Speaker 1: like coming up from underground, or there's a tidal wave.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just feel like there has
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  Speaker 1: to be something that comes of that a little bit later,
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  Speaker 1: and the Navy.
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  Speaker 2: Is just kind of overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's the thrust of this interaction with everybody is
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  Speaker 1: how the people are sort of looking to the Navy
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  Speaker 1: to handle all.
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  Speaker 2: Of this and they do not know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing their best and they're trying not to hurt people,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like the people are turning to them for
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  Speaker 1: answers and they don't have them. So at the very
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  Speaker 1: end of this episode is when we start to get
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  Speaker 1: into the backstory of Do Flamingo's family, his crew, not
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  Speaker 1: his Celestial Dragon family, and the way that Law turns
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  Speaker 1: up and the way that this story is told is
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  Speaker 1: sort of bookended. Where we start off with Do Flamingo's
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  Speaker 1: reaction to Law's arrival and the other kids that are
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  Speaker 1: sort of teasing him and fucking with him. Diamante in
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  Speaker 1: particular is just messing around with him, like sword fighting him,
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  Speaker 1: and then we jump in the next episode back in
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  Speaker 1: time to Law's childhood, and then in the third episode,
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  Speaker 1: we come back to this time when he is trying
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  Speaker 1: to join Do Flamingo's crew.
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  Speaker 2: So the.
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  Speaker 1: The way that joining Do Flamingo's crew works, it turns
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  Speaker 1: out there are lots of kids who have wanted in,
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  Speaker 1: and you've got to be extremely tenacious. I suspect also,
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  Speaker 1: like really really ruthless to get into this crew. And
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  Speaker 1: long story short, they don't know who they're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: because they keep thinking that, well, well I'm saying, they
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  Speaker 1: keep thinking that he's going to give up, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually not sure that they really think that or if
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  Speaker 1: they're just like toying with him. I have to assume though,
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  Speaker 1: based on the fact that earlier they talk about how
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  Speaker 1: many kids there were here trying to join, and now
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  Speaker 1: there is only Buffalo and Baby five left. If those
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  Speaker 1: numbers are correct, then that is pretty intense. But I
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  Speaker 1: like this uh interaction is sort of like peppered with
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  Speaker 1: mentions by both Buffalo and Baby five of like how
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  Speaker 1: they've been treated. Later on, I think it's Buffalo who
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  Speaker 1: says something about how one time he laughed at Peeka's
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  Speaker 1: voice and they.
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  Speaker 2: Almost tortured him to death, And.
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  Speaker 1: At that point also Baby five says something about like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and don't think you can get out of it by
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  Speaker 1: crying either, because we're living in a grown ups.
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  Speaker 2: World, now, got it?
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  Speaker 1: And then she starts crying anyway, And I did think
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  Speaker 1: that that was kind of a funny joke even though,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but like, I couldn't help but laugh a
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  Speaker 1: little bit at that one.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe five is such a weird character. I'm really like
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  Speaker 2: hot and cold on her. So let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they mentioned here Cora is on his
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  Speaker 1: way now, and Cora is apparently Do Flamingo's brother. Now
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  Speaker 1: I am thinking that he is dead now because we
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard anything about him at all. But it may
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  Speaker 1: just be that he has cut ties with Do Flamingo.
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  Speaker 1: It may be that he's doing his own thing. It
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  Speaker 1: may be that they have a plan that requires both
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  Speaker 1: of them to do stuff separately.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But he comes in and he is wearing the black
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  Speaker 1: feathery coat that Do Flamingo has a pink version of,
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  Speaker 1: and he's got this uh pink button up with hearts
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  Speaker 1: all over it a pink I'm trying to think of
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  Speaker 1: the name of this hat, but it's basically like what
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  Speaker 1: if a beanie had huge tassels that like hang down
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  Speaker 1: to your chest, and those tassels each have a heart
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  Speaker 1: on the end of them as well. He's walking in
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  Speaker 1: and he looks very tall and imposing for a moment,
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  Speaker 1: and then he trips, and both Buffalo and Baby five
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  Speaker 1: start cheering about how that is such a kra thing
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  Speaker 1: to do and mock him until he picks them up
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  Speaker 1: and chucks them both across the room.
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  Speaker 2: And we find out later that.
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  Speaker 1: He really really doesn't like kids and has an outsized
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  Speaker 1: reaction to them, which they both know perfectly well, but
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  Speaker 1: they just decide to push and prod at him anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm really really curious what the deal is with
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  Speaker 1: him hating kids. He's got these dark glasses and he's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: his lipstick is done in such a way that it
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: almost is Joker makeup, you know, where it comes way
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  Speaker 1: far back on the sides of his face. And there's
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  Speaker 1: an encounter with him later that is so it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like he is looking out for law after all a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, And I don't know what to make of it,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, Cora, he's I was a little surprised because
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  Speaker 1: they say Coorra is coming, and I'm assuming Cora is
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  Speaker 1: a woman's name usually and it's Or.
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  Speaker 2: It turns out for Cora, soon.
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  Speaker 1: An executive of the don Quixote family. He doesn't talk
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  Speaker 1: anymore because of some old trauma and he hates kids,
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  Speaker 1: so watch out. And as they tell Law this, Kora
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  Speaker 1: comes over, grabs Law by the head and just chucks
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  Speaker 1: him out the closed window into the street below, which
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  Speaker 1: is very, very funny. I was watching this and I
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  Speaker 1: just sort of started giggling hysterically because it's just so
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  Speaker 1: abrupt and for no reason, Like it'd be one thing
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  Speaker 1: to throw Baby five and Buffalo out the window because
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  Speaker 1: they were just mocking you for falling on your ass.
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  Speaker 1: But Law is literally like just standing there. And yet
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  Speaker 1: there's also a sense of like, well, Buffalo and Baby
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  Speaker 1: five are off limits because they're part of the family
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  Speaker 1: now and he can't do that to them the same way.
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  Speaker 2: But this means that Law.
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  Speaker 1: Has a particular grudge against Cora at this point and decides,
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  Speaker 1: I am going to kill this dude for what he did.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and I forgot to mention that he has the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: sunglasses on, but one of his eyes clearly has a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: sort of like starburst of makeup underneath it as well
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that was sort of reminding me of clockwork orange kind
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of vibes, you know. So next episode is when we
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: get the backstory on Law and what was going on
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: This story is like, it's really really devastating.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: There's almost, I'm gonna be honest with you guys, there's
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: almost something that's.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Comical about how incredibly over the top pathetic the entire
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: tale is.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: It feels a little too much like.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: The The thing is, you've got to like straddle this
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: line between making something truly tragic and making it feel melodramatic,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: because every possible thing could go that could go wrong
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: not only does go wrong, but goes wrong in the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: most extreme manner possible. So as much as I actually
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: enjoyed the like learning the backstory and stuff, and I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: found it pretty interesting, there was a part of me
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the whole time that was just like Jesus, Okay, we
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: get it. The world is an uncaring place and people
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: get lied about like it just it felt like an
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: awful lot, you guys.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So what how it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Starts out is Law has a family, a mother, a father,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and a younger sister, and his father is a doctor.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what his mother does if she even
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: has a job, but I don't recall if she does.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And he is studying to also be a doctor. His
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: father is like assisting him in his studies. And there
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: is a huge festival that's going to be going on
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: in town. And it turns out that this island had
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: already been kind of known for its really striking white landscape,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and eventually they began to realize that there was a substance,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: white lead, that could be mined and used for making
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: all kinds of items. And this is, you know, very
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: akin to the way that things have worked in real life.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: They would use certain metals or compounds that we didn't
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: know at the time were incredibly toxic to human beings,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and we would make everything using this as a base,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and then surprise, surprise, a bunch of people get really
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: fucking sick, and you start to find out, oh, god,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: like radium, we shouldn't be letting people handle that, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: not only handling it at all, but definitely not without
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: gloves and masks and whatever. Lead is something that is like,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you guys know how common this was in house paint
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that it's now part of a law that you have
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to make sure a place is free of lead paint
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: or that it has been removed and it has to
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: be done by people who are certified to do it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: The same thing with like asbestos, and there are so
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: many things that when you start looking through the everyday
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: life of people in history, was a major component as
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: well as arsenic in like the like coloring for wallpaper,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: for example, And so people would be walking around feeling
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: kind of ill a lot because they were literally in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a room wallpapered in arsenic and inhaling that and it
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: was poisoning them.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: This kind of thing.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It was just very common die so it would be
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: in fabrics that This is something I think about all
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the time in terms of if one were to enter
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a time machine and go back in time, there would
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: be so many things that could make you sick, just
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: because there were no safety regulations around a lot of
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: things yet, and you would never think that for it
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to be a problem. You know, drinking certain wines that
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: are in leadlined containers, I mean that was still quite
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: commonly used up until more recently than you would expect.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: It's just that sort of like, you know, we find
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a material that seems to be cheap, easy to process,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and it does something that no other metal does, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: we're like, oh, we found the magic something, you know.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And it's like there's always, always, always fine print every time.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: If something seems like it's just a little too great,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: then maybe that's why it is. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: seeing Saraphim says, there was the comment about Dophy using
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: lead bullets on law to be extra sadistic of him
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: as foreshadowing, but yeah, nothing you could figure out without hindsight.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me of that. I totally forgot
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: about that line. Yeah, that makes more sense. Florian says,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I also think his dad was just too nice to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: use him as leverage. Him equals it the secret.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh, I see what you're saying.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Do Flamingo's dad wouldn't have leveraged that as blackmail the
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: way that do Flamingo's willing to do.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: That's probably true. Saraphim says.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Oda base this on a specific in real life situation.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Towns in the mountains of northern Italy that used to
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: be centers for the mining and processing of asbestos. They
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: were told that white dust coating the town was perfectly
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: healthy natural minerals.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: This is the kind of shit.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: That makes me crazy when people are anti regulation. I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: am not trying to say, and I never have, that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the government is perfect, but there are reasons why we
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: need regulation, and the government, I think, in many places,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: has been forged by people who are trying to help.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of laws that are about regulation
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: are coming from a place of concern because they know.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: These companies are never ever going to give a single
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: fuck about the value of human life. It is not
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: part of their bottom line. If somebody dies, they will
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: pay money, if they have to settle a lawsuit, whatever.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: They are not going to do anything to prevent something.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: They will apologize, but they won't prevent unless they are
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: made to. And there are countless examples in history of
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: us having to enact things into law because something that
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: was literally killing hundreds of people was simply the cost
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of doing business, and we as a people had to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: be like, no, that is not acceptable. And it's really
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: sad to know, like how much of the country seems
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to think that all of these regulations were put in
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: place and merely to like hamper business. It's the most
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: hilarious backward thinking. And if something were to happen, so
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: many of those same people would be like, there should
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: be laws about this. They're fucking were you know, but
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you campaigned against them because you were being brainwashed by
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a billionaire who doesn't give a shit about you and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: fell for it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: It's so it's just you guys. This.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: There's so many instances of this that I every time
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: anybody says something about lowering regulations, my brain instantly categorizes
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: them as somebody I cannot speak with. It's just sort
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of like, if you can't even process these basic concepts
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: of like looking out for the health and welfare of
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the working class, then I'm not interested in any further
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: conversation with you, because that is like fifth grade level understanding.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: So they are.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Using this white lead to make all kinds of things,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: cosmetics and weapons, and it's even mentioned at one point
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that it's used to make sweeteners things like this, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: they go. The town gets so well known for this substance,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and they make so much money off it that it
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: starts to become clear to people that it does have
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: an effect. But the folks who are profiting off it
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: do not want to hear that. Once again, Yes, they
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: don't care about you. They never will, They never have.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: History is the best teacher, and we just refuse to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: let That's the reason why Americans are so anti like
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: teaching real history is because they know that we're going
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: to start to figure out things and they.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Don't want that. And it's you, guys. I'm sorry.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I know that I do this all the time, but
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I can't help but just get so enraged when this
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: kind of story is really common. Oda is pulling this
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: from real life.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It is so.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Common that I was able to just like off the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: top of my head, pull like three four different kinds
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: of metals that this has been a thing about. That's
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: like setting aside things like, you know, the meat industry
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and the way that works, YadA YadA.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: And the moral of the.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Story is so basic that it's in a fucking cartoon
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and we are still not learning this lesson. It's embarrassing,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: like human beings are embarrassing. So the white lead begins
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to poison the residence, and there is this scene where
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Law is going to the festival with his sister, who
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: was really poking and prodding him to go. So he
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: goes along with his mother and his sister and they
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: get some ice cream. She's excited to see the rest
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of the festival, and they say something about how like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of time, don't worry, the festival's not going
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: anywhere all to sort of lay the groundwork to like, yeah, no,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: actually there isn't that much time. It's over a lot
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: sooner than you might expect. Don't take things for granted.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: It's sort of a little bit of the underlying energy there.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: She suddenly feels ill, collapses, drops her ice cream very dramatically,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: so it's just sitting there, you know, dribbling, and the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: two of them are him and his mother are looking
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: at her, trying to figure out what's happening, and she
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: has this white patch on her skin, and this is
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: evidently one of the first symptoms of the disease that's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: setting in. And what it turns out is that people
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: don't know that this isn't a contagious disease, so they
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: It's sort of weird because there's a point later where
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: his father is on the phone with the world government,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: somebody in government, and he is telling them it's not
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: contagious and you guys know that, but there's still people
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: out there that think it is. And I don't understand
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: why this isn't being addressed and they just hang up
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: on him. And I was very curious about this because
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it felt sort of like, if they do know, there's
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a couple answers to this, and the most honestly, the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: most likely answer is that they don't care what's true
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and what's not true. I say this is the most
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: likely answer because this is what I have seen once
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: again with our own government. The truth about a situation
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: just doesn't matter as much as the optics of a situation.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And this was something that came into play hugely when
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: planned parenthood was being looked at as like a being
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: included with healthcare that so many people were first of
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: all accusing planned parenthood of like selling baby parts like fetuses,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: which was absolute garbage, but still got circulated insanely quickly.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It was this like false narrative that just took fire,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and I can't believe how fast this nonsense spread, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: it was really really easy to debunk, but nobody wanted
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to hear it because they already wanted to be anti choice,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So it was like the perfect horror story to accompany
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the desire to take away people's rights. So there was that,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and then the accusation that every Planned Parenthood also performs abortions,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: which even if they did, I think that's fine because
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I think abortion should be legal and safe. But even
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: if they did, like there were many many and are
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that do not perform any sources of abortions. They just
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: provide basic gynological care and healthcare and obstetric care. And
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: again people don't want to hear that. They will still
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: be like targeting folks who work there. They will still
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: be protesting outside and like screaming at people who are
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: going in. And what's always so like hideous about this
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: is that they are yelling at people like how dare
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you murder your child? When half the time the person
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: isn't even going in there for an abortion, and sometimes
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: they're going in for an abortion they don't want because
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: something is really wrong. So they're already grieving horribly over
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the child they wished they could give birth to and can't,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and then somebody's yelling in their face how they're a murderer,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: which is like super for your mental health and guilt.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that just is great for you. So they oh, yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: you know what sorry Seraphim is saying, because if they
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: told the truth, it would make them look bad, So
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: it's all just a plague they had nothing to do with.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: You're right, because if they were saying like this is
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: this stuff isn't safe and nobody listened, then now a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: bunch of people are getting sick and it's not contagious,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Like you have to cop to the fact that we
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: didn't actually listen to anybody's concerns when there was still
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: time to do something. But now everybody's dying and it's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: too late, So instead we're just going to make it
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that it's some terrible plague and totally out of our hands. Okay,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense, but I stand by
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: that it would have been totally fine if it were
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: simply we just don't want to hear the truth because
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: people are scared. Trying to explain to everybody that this
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: isn't actually contagious would take a lot of time and work,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: an effort that we just aren't really interested in putting in,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and we're fine with just letting you guys die.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I really wouldn't, you know.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: That's basically how the aids of a demic was handled.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: And granted that was like targeted on a population specifically
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: because it was mostly gay men who were being struck
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: with it, and they were seen as just like undesirables
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that it was fine to let die, so who cares.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: So it's not really like the exact same situation, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: similarly just like, yeah, let's propagate misinformation.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Who gives a shit?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So this uh like culminates in a scene where he
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: is being told there are a bunch of sailors or
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: soldiers or something that are like sympathetic that are going
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: to help the kids who are on the island escape
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and law, you really need to go, and he doesn't
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: want to leave his sister, which you know, as soon
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: as they're like, oh, yeah, they're sympathetic, I was.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Like, no, they're not. These are definitely going like all
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: of these kids are.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Going to die, and the fact that he doesn't go
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: is what's going to save his life. And indeed that
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: is how that goes. But what happens in the hospital,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: it's almost like it wouldn't have mattered which direction he
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: went with it, because he was so either way he
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: was going to be targeted, whether he got on the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: ship or whether he stayed here. It was luck that
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: wound up keeping him alive. He is at his sister's bedside,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: trying to convince her to get better so that they
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: can go to the next festival. She hears a bunch
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: of commotion and she's like, what is that, and he
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: tells her it's another festival.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: You know how much this Island loves to show off.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: He doesn't even.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Want to let her know the extent of what is
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: happening out there. Which, while I do understand that impulse,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: there was a part of me that kind of felt like,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what if I were in this situation,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: how I would have handled it. Because there are times
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: where people want to protect children in a way that
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I understand deep lee and think is like a child
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: isn't going to get it, and it won't help for
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: them to know. And then there are times where I'm like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I think it might benefit them to at least be
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: aware of this danger like existing at all here. I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: think that keeping it from her makes total sense. He
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: isn't really anticipating that she's going to get up, check
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: that anybody's going to come in and do anything. And
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: also I have my own suspicions that he fully like
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is telling her get better so we can go to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the next festival together, with no real expectation that she's
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: going to be okay. It felt to me in this
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: scene like he knew she was going to die and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: he was simply telling her that there was still hope
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: in order to sort of like so soften things for
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: her and make her less afraid, which for like works
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: for both of them, you know. So let's see, I'm
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: trying to find the uh oh yeah, okay, So the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the soldiers come in and Law hides with his sister
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: in one of the closets, and all of these soldiers
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: come in and they kill the entire hospital full of people.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: There's like one soldier yells to another as they come
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: in kill every single patient on site, and he like
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: runs out to find his parents and then runs back
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and his sister is also gone, and it's just him
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: in this like building.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Full of corpses.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: And that's how he manages to sneak out is by
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: putting himself in with a pile of dead bodies and
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: getting carried out with them. And that's how because this
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: like alleged plague, they wouldn't let him leave the island,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: and he wears clothing to like cover up the patches
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: on his skin, but he also doesn't hide. Later on,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: when he's talking to Do Flamingo's crew, he's very like
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: honest about when the fact that he is dying and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: is going to die, he just doesn't explain what it
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: is that he is suffering from until a little bit later,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: which is when this whole story comes out, because he
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: shows the patch and I think it's buffalo, maybe that
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: backs up and freaks out, or maybe it's trouble and
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Do Flamingo has to be like, now, knock it off.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's not fucking contagious, don't repeat that that garbage. And
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I liked the fact weirdly that dol Famingo knows better
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and is like irritated by the fact that he's making
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: a fool of himself, even though I know that Do
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Flmingo is still a terrible person and a monster. There
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: is like anytime somebody is just like, stop being a
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: fucking idiot, I can't help but kind of appreciate it
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: because I want to say.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: That so much in my life.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: There's so many times, you know, so, yeah, this is
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: something that there's another series that you guys I covered
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: for the spoil Me podcast as well.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: By Lee Bardugo.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: And Shadow and Bone was a TV show that they
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: made out of it where they kind of combined two
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: of her series together unsuccessfully. In my opinion, The thing
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: is that the second trio or second duology, I guess,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: is much much better than the trilogy that laid the groundwork,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: but they felt like they had to do the trilogy
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: even though it's not really good, So I think that
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it really fucked the whole like vibe of the show up,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: because the duology that's excellent is about a group of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: grifters and con men who are doing a heist, which
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: is like my favorite, and there is a similar thing
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: where one of them has been in the midst of
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a horrific plague and it's actual plague, it's not like this,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and he only manages to like get out of this
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: place by burying himself in amongst the dead. And you know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: it's not just dead who have been shot, it's dead
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: who have been.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Diseased and died of it.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: So it's like really gross, and this results in him
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: later on having a huge phobia about touching people. He
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: wears gloves at all times and is like, really, it's
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: not even like a like germophobe thing. It's the actual
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: feel of human skin on him makes him pass out basically,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: So this is really reminding me of that a lot,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And I like Trafalgar Law and his whole backstory, plus
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the attitude that he has today, it's all making a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: lot more sense why he is super no nonsense, why
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: he is frustrated with Loofy, and just like has this
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: agenda that he is so focused on. All of it
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: is speaking to parts of him that I had been Like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I think that he is a decent guy, but then
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: he makes decisions that I'm surprised by because they're pretty shitty.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: And it's because he's a decent guy who has had
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: to do a lot of really shitty things due to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: being put in impossible positions over and over in his
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: life and having people that he couldn't rely on who
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: were lying to him, and basically everybody who was any
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: sort of authority figure to him like they constantly let
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: him down or lied or just neglected, you know. Even
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: going to do Flamingo's Crew, the whole way that the
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: crew works is basically like are you how much abuse
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: are you going to.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Put up with? You know?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And the only reason that Trafalgar is really willing to
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: put up with it is that he basically I'm going
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: to die anyway, probably pretty shortly. I think he says
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: like there's a few years left in him according to
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: his father's chart, because his dad was his doctor, so
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: clearly that wound up being incorrect, and he either like
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: survived it due to the devil fruit or something else happened.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but he like the the what's the
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: word I want?
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: That sort of nihilism has overcome him because of feeling
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna die anyway, so I may as well
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: just fuck up as many people's lives as I can
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: before I go, because these assholes killed my entire island,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: not just my family, but like they turned their back
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: on everybody just to save their own asses, and it's
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: a I want to just sort of like the people
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: on the island also had to know some of them,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: but I guess they just thought that they weren't going
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: to get sick, or maybe there were people who were
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: like profiting and they did know, and so they bailed
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and they moved away and wound up not getting sick
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: because they were profiting, but they weren't living there anymore,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, doesn't really matter. So then we go
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to the last of these three episodes and we get
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: do Flamingo's.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Backstory.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: His backstory is so funny, guys, because, like I already
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: said last episode, how clearly this kid was not going
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: to be okay. The whole way that he is behaving
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: with his father right out of the gate is the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: behavior of like a sociopath. He fully believes that they
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: are just inherently better than everybody else. He does not
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: believe that celestial dragons are actually human, so to like
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: be expected to wear the same clothing as everybody else
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: is debasing himself.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: It's like being told to wear a dog collar, you know.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: And he isn't willing to like give any of this
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: any sort of chance. It's very funny, you guys. Like
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: in the last episode, I was like, I feel like
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you really have to like talk to your kids about
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: how this is gonna work. And this episode we find
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: out that his dad did try to talk to him.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: But obviously the thing is that's kind of like it's
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a complicated thing, and I can't decide where exactly the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: show is falling on this. But what we get to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: start off with is a montage of him getting beaten
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: up along with.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: His family.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And all of the townsfolk explaining and when I say explaining,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I mean scream crying into the camera how they have
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: been wronged by the celestial dragons. And there are a
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: lot of really terrible stories you have got, like I
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: was blinded by them because I like looked at somebody
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the wrong way, or my kids ran in front of
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: one of them, and they were, like, you know, four
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and six years old, and they were both fucking killed
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: for it. My daughter was enslaved by them, and she
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: managed to like get away from them and come home,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: but she was so traumatized that she killed herself three
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: days later. It's a series of really horrific stories, and
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: so you're setting you're set up to be like reminded
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: how horrible the celestial dragons are and what total monsters
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: they are. And then you kind of jump over to
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: his dad, who is this like well intentioned goober that
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to understand how everybody is going to react
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: to them, because he feels like, well, we renounced.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: That we're not that anymore.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So I don't want to be held responsible for what
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: my family did, because I'm not part of my family anymore.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: And it's such a like this is such a white
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: person thing because it just is very much giving, like
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not one of those white people and thinking that
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: now this means that, like nobody is going to look
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: sideways at you because you're one of the good ones,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and so you shouldn't be held responsible. That's not how
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: like these systems work. Though, And even though he's telling
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: himself we're going to live humbly, I do love that
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: there's like a giant mansion waiting for them. So we
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: only heard the line will live humbly in the last episode.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: This episode is when we get to see what live
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: humbly actually means to them, and it is to still
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: be light years richer than all of the people around them.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: And it's just like a really good example of how
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: much privileged blinkers your understanding of everybody else's experience. Just
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: because he is sacrificing a lot of wealth, he thinks
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that he is living humbly because he hasn't seen how
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world lives or doesn't care or
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Meanwhile, do Flamingo is not with the
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: shits at all he fully is like, why are these
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: people just talking to us?
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: They aren't bowing. This is garbage.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: So their dad just decides to go out into the
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: market like a regular person and tell them the truth
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: about where they're from.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: And the thing that I had.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: To like roll my eyes at here was that he
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: would tell everybody the truth about who they are, because
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: he really doesn't think that that's going to be a
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: factor that others are affected by. He really seems to
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: think if I just say, we're, you know, coming from
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the land of the celestial dragons, but don't worry, we
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: aren't them anymore, that it is just that simple. When
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: your family has profited off of the misery of these people,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and you are living here in an actual mansion thanks
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: to that exploitation, if you actually wanted to do anything
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: to make this right, you would like sell all of
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: that and give your wealth up and live like more
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: of a normal person. And even then it really wouldn't
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: change my mind that you are about to get what's
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: coming to you. It was sort of weird because I'm
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: watching this, you know, all of this happen to their family,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and I think, on the one hand, I am supposed
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: to kind of be like, Oh, this is sad because
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: these are decent people that like probably are the best
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: of that horrible group and didn't do.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: A lot of the worst things.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: But then I had to stop and be like, I
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: don't know that just because his dad seems like he's
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: like kind of a nicer guy, and the fact that
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: he is taking off and leaving things behind, I really
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what this dude had been capable of or
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: what he allowed to happen in front of him and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: was complicit in, so like a part of me my
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: reaction initially was just like, Ah, they don't deserve this,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: and then I was like, yeah, they do, though they
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: kind of do. It doesn't matter. Again, if you personally
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: are not responsible for a thing, if you profited off
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: of it, then you have to face the fact that
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: you actually got something out of the exploitation of other people.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: And I am not trying to say that makes you
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the same level of complicit necessarily, but trying to deny
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: that you got any benefit is extremely dishonest, and also
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: if you insist on holding onto that benefit as well,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: really really greedy. And there's just such a multitude of
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: white privileged things mixed in there people who hear the
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: term white privilege really believe that what it means is
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: because you were white, your life was easy, and they
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: don't understand. No, what we meant was you being white
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: made parts of your life easier and you didn't notice.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Because that's what privilege is, is not realizing how good
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you've got it due to certain things in your life
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: being the way they are. It's the same as being
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: able bodied or being male. There are things that you
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about in your life that women do,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: that disabled people do, and it doesn't occur to you
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: because why would it. It's not something that you have
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: to face on a daily basis. And eventually, as you
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: get older, you meet more people, your experience in life
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: begins to expand you start to see, oh, my experience
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: isn't everybody's. But a lot of people don't get to
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: that point and aren't able to open their minds beyond
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the little circle of experience they have and the few
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: people that surround them who often have a very similar
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: experience to their own. So this whole sequence is just
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: all of these people who are coming after his family
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: in this like really brutal way, and like do Flamingo
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: being really really angry, both at his own father for
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: putting them in this position, at the town's people for
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: coming after them the way that they are, and at
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the celestial Dragons for not letting them back into the
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: family after everything has gone so wrong, So like they
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: can't go and get food in the marketplace because it's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: so dangerous, they try and steal, and they get the
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: shit beat out of them, and eventually their mother is
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: just saying, like, I feel unwell, and she starts coughing,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and she dies, and it's like unclear exactly what causes
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: her illness, but it's implied that if they had resources,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: she wouldn't have gotten sick. And I'm assuming that this
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: is like would have been played as, oh, now that
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: you're human, you are, because the way that the celestial
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Dragons are saying this is we're not humans, we're better
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: than humans. But now that you have renounced us us,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you're humans, and they call them worthless human filth over
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: the phone, and I would be like surprised if they
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: didn't sort of say, well, she wouldn't have died if
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you hadn't decided to become human, but now she's like
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: mortal and weak like the rest of everybody else, when
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: really it's just that she isn't as removed from disease
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: or hunger or anything as she had been, and is
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: more vulnerable because of that. I mean, the celestial dragons
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: literally like wear these helmets over their heads so that
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: they don't have to breathe the same error.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: As everybody else.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: So no surprise if they don't suffer from a lot
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: of the same illnesses as regular people. So do Flamingo
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: in the present, well no, sorry, law In the present,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: he has decided to sneak up on Corazone and stab
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: him and then run after what Cora did to him.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: He's really harboring a grudge, so he does it. He
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: stabs him, thinks he kills him. He did not, but
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: he thinks he did, and he runs. Eventually they find
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: him and drag him back, and he thinks that he's
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: being dragged back to pay for his crime. And as
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: he is standing there waiting to be punished, Corazone strolls
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: in and takes a seat, and he's just like, I
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: don't get it. Wait, because clearly they know about the stabbing,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: do Flamingo says something about it, but Corazone is sitting
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: right there and he hasn't told them it was him
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: that did it, so he's like, just sort of why
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: is he covering for me? What is going on here?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: And later on, when he is talking to Buffalo and
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Baby five, they ask him what his real name is
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: and are really being quite pushy about it, and they
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: say because they know that he did stab Corazone, They're like,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: if you don't tell us your real name, we'll go
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: and tattle on you and tell them that you're the
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: one who stabbed him. So he tells them about how
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: his name is Trafalgar D Water Law I think is
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the name and the D, which is like, you know,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: monkey D louviy, This D clearly means something. And when
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Cora Zone comes around he has overheard this conversation. He
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: goes right up to Law and is like, hey, is
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: that true, because if you have that D in your name,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: you do not want to be around my brother. You
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: really need to get as far away from him as
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: fast as you can. This this is not a safe
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: place for you if he finds out about that.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: But we don't.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Actually get to hear what it is about this name
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: that put like and it ends right there with him
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: just urging Trafalgar Law to take off. So it was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: a pretty fun like I really liked it as an ending.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to watch the next episode right away.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I also was interested in the fact that Corasone hasn't
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: tattled on him and also is sort of like weirdly
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: looking out for him here, And I was wondering, like,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: what it is that has caused because he doesn't like kids,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: why would he care? What has caused him to sort
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: of turn a corner on law in this way? No idea,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: but I am really curious, so looking forward to learning
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: more about this. But uh, as far as everything that
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: happens to do Flamingo's family, it's like it's tragic and horrible,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: But also I don't blame these people for like taking
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: out their rage on the only like tiny fragment of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: the family that they could get access to. I really
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: can't help understand where they were coming from. And it's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: just so funny because now do Flamingo has had to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: create his own whole family because regular people aren't good
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: enough for him, but his own family won't have him.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: So you know the fact that he.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Killed his own dad, like we I don't think we
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: actually see that in this episode, but we know that's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: what he does because he blames his father for it all.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: But it's just sort of sad, like just enemies.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Right and the left.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: So sarafhim says, Law's name is more of Oda loving
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: his word playing names Trafalgar and Waterloo Napoleon's two biggest defeats.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, water Law, I see oh Oda. All right,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I am going to wrap this one up, but thank
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: you guys for joining me. Thank you Seraphim and Florian
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: for hain out, Thank you Florian for commissioning this one.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I hope that y'all are enjoying the coverage And until
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: next time to the lum motherfuckers. That was an unspoiled
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: network past