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Patriots Unfiltered 3/7: Free Agency Preview, Mock Drafts and NFL Draft Talk · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 3: at Jillette Stadium, and uh, once again another show and
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  Speaker 3: it's all draft all the time, right.
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  Speaker 6: No, it's all transition tag.
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  Speaker 5: How mad can we get about the transition tag?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: I got a bone to pick with Paul about his shows.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So yes, Kyle Duggar got tagged with the transition
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  Speaker 3: and so we'll talk about and so we'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 6: It's not really about the transition tag that they were
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  Speaker 6: whining about the transition tag. But I have another thing
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  Speaker 6: I'll say.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, and what that means to Kyle Duggar and the
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  Speaker 3: team and otherwise the franchise tag deadline came and went.
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  Speaker 3: No movement there in terms of French for the Patriots,
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  Speaker 3: but there was a lot of movement in the league
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  Speaker 3: yesterday right up north in Buffalo. Holy mackerel.
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  Speaker 6: Somehow they managed to franchise just about every guy we
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  Speaker 6: talked about on our free agency preview video that we
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  Speaker 6: shot Tuesday. So Michael Ready's doing some editing up upstairs.
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  Speaker 6: But now, interesting move for dugger I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I think it's a good sign, he's probably gonna stick around.
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  Speaker 6: They said, he wants he wants.
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  Speaker 3: To be the person to explain the transition tag.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not that hard.
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  Speaker 5: Who wants to explain it?
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  Speaker 4: I'll do. It's then the top five average salaries of
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  Speaker 4: the top five, it's the top ten, it's lower and
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  Speaker 4: you are not entitled to any compensation if someone signs him.
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  Speaker 4: You just have the writer first refusal.
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  Speaker 3: Right yeah, right now. You know, people say, well, what's
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  Speaker 3: what's the thing here? So for Dougger, if he goes
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  Speaker 3: out and gets a bunch of offers and they all stink,
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  Speaker 3: and even if the Patriots what they were offering stunk,
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  Speaker 3: he can at least know that now I can get
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  Speaker 3: the average of the top ten safeties in the league.
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  Speaker 3: So there's something so I know, like the tags seem
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  Speaker 3: to always favor the teams, but there is things built
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  Speaker 3: into both the franchise and the transition tag that kind
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  Speaker 3: of protects the player a little bit, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Protects the team. It's going to allow him he can
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  Speaker 6: go out, he can, you know, and he finds a
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  Speaker 6: great deal and they're like thanks, like you know they're
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  Speaker 6: going to play you like you know, something crazy then
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  Speaker 6: we can let him walk. It gives them more time
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  Speaker 6: to at least negotiate, and you know, if not and
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  Speaker 6: it doesn't work out, then he plays when you're under
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  Speaker 6: thirteen million, which doesn't seem like crazy.
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  Speaker 4: The tags are tough on the players, I mean the
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  Speaker 4: money aside. Like I mean, I understand if you're a
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  Speaker 4: fan and you say, how can you say, yeah, how
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  Speaker 4: could you say it's tough on the player? I get that.
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  Speaker 4: I totally understand it. There's been a lot of guys
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  Speaker 4: that have gained the system by getting tagged multiple times.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Kirk Cousins is the poster child, so I
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  Speaker 4: understand why fans push back on that. But it's harder
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  Speaker 4: now for Kyle Dugar to sign somewhere like it used
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  Speaker 4: to be. The Tampa Bay Box could offer him, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a five year, one hundred and twenty million dollar contract
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  Speaker 4: and if he said, yes, he's yours. Yea, Now you
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  Speaker 4: have to go and waste that time potentially only to
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  Speaker 4: have the Patriots match it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. My question is did the Patriots already make him
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  Speaker 3: an offer that he declined? Reportedly yes, So he can
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  Speaker 3: go to any team and say here's what they're offering.
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  Speaker 3: Me just do better.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they might not want to do that because
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  Speaker 4: they can waste the time that it takes to talk
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  Speaker 4: to him only to have the Patriots matching, right, and
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  Speaker 4: he can't go. It's not like then Kyle dugger has
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  Speaker 4: a choice, right.
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  Speaker 3: The Patriots could up their offer once he comes back, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think that a lot of people would assume that, oh,
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  Speaker 5: if one team just throws a bag at him, then
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  Speaker 5: what difference does it make? But this actually I think
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  Speaker 5: hurts Kyle Duggar more than the franchise tag would have
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  Speaker 5: because I highly doubt, and maybe it will happen, but
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  Speaker 5: I highly doubt that a team is going to grossly
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  Speaker 5: overpay for his services to steal them away from the
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  Speaker 5: Patriots on a contract that the Patriots wouldn't have offered
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  Speaker 5: him anyways. So just the feeling is is that he's
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  Speaker 5: probably going to either agree to the best deal with
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  Speaker 5: from New England that he could possibly get, or just
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  Speaker 5: play on the one year tag.
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  Speaker 3: But remember nowadays, it doesn't always have to be the
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  Speaker 3: total amount. It can be what they're guaranteeing. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a team puts the poison pill in there in
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  Speaker 3: terms of we're gonna guarantee eighty percent of this contract,
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  Speaker 3: and the Patriots are just not willing to do that,
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  Speaker 3: even if the money's the same, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Right, But they could, they could, they could now they
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  Speaker 4: have the option to do it, And I think I
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  Speaker 4: agree with Evan and that teams are less likely to
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  Speaker 4: do that because that's wasting time. I could be talking
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  Speaker 4: to another safety, which, by the way, that seems to
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  Speaker 4: be the position to jour in free agency. There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of running backs and safety suddenly available, so it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't lock him up. But to me, it for three
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  Speaker 4: million dollars, I think you you kind of run the
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  Speaker 4: risk of him being disgruntled if you just franchised him,
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  Speaker 4: then I think at least he gets paid at the
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  Speaker 4: top of the market. It for one year. This is
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  Speaker 4: kind of middling it. And I think I kind of
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  Speaker 4: side with evidence.
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  Speaker 6: Generally, just always a risk when you used the tags, right,
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  Speaker 6: like that's just you're gonna yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that that should be you should
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  Speaker 4: never use it because of that, but I think the
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  Speaker 4: risk you have to take if you use it, use it,
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  Speaker 4: like I think you'll try to save a couple of nickels,
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  Speaker 4: And I.
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  Speaker 5: Do think it. It puts you back into square one,
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  Speaker 5: I think with him because they were negotiating with him
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  Speaker 5: up until the tag deadline, where well, now that contract
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  Speaker 5: that we were maybe close on, maybe weren't close on,
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  Speaker 5: or throwing that out because we're going to go to
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  Speaker 5: market and see what's out there on Monday. But I
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  Speaker 5: also think that it's probably more reflective of what he's
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  Speaker 5: worth thirteen point eight million dollars. I understand it's a
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  Speaker 5: couple million bucks and sure, but he's probably like a
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  Speaker 5: twelve and a half thirteen million dollar player on the
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  Speaker 5: open market, and so they're not grossly overpaying him for
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  Speaker 5: the year if they get him at thirteen point eight.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that's a consideration.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's certainly why they did it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, okay, anyone care to comment on what's going
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  Speaker 3: on with Buffalo? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: And why I thought the salary cap was really hard?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I guess you could just cut the players,
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  Speaker 4: cut everybody. Suddenly you go from forty over the cap
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  Speaker 4: and you're not forty over the camp.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right right.
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  Speaker 4: In the NHL, you'd still be forty over the cap
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  Speaker 4: and not have those players anymore because you know why
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  Speaker 4: that's a real cap.
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  Speaker 5: The NHL cap is brutal.
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  Speaker 6: Don't you think those are his key players that they
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  Speaker 6: kind of cut like, aren't you? Aren't you a little
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  Speaker 6: bit like and Trey White? And I mean those are
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  Speaker 6: you guys who have been kind of their fabric of
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  Speaker 6: their team and now they just have to.
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  Speaker 4: Little bit Mitch Morse. I think their offensive line is okay,
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  Speaker 4: and I think having a good center, I think there's
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  Speaker 4: some comfort in that Poyer thirty two years old, you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe had another year or so left. They replaced him
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  Speaker 4: with Taylor Rap. Not as good a player. Rap is
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  Speaker 4: not as good as Poyer, but I don't worry about
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  Speaker 4: that too much with them. Otherwise you have to. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: these are just decisions that get made every year. You know.
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  Speaker 6: It's just a little jarring to see those names.
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  Speaker 4: I think, to me, yeah, tevious White, as Fred says,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you killed TODs White all the time. He's
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  Speaker 4: heard all the time, right, Yeah, I'm sure he's now
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  Speaker 4: going to turn into But.
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  Speaker 3: If there are you know, supervision, medical ward.
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  Speaker 6: It'll be fine.
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  Speaker 4: I think for Buffalo, I would be interested in White, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but I would take like that you were talking about
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  Speaker 4: but you were talking about Gilmour yesterday. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: Tridevius White would demand that kind of money because of
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  Speaker 4: the injuries.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe, I don't know, I'm not I'm not so sure.
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  Speaker 5: But he's been serious injury after serious with them, not
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  Speaker 5: even yeah, like not just like oh he's dinged up
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  Speaker 5: and Achilles.
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  Speaker 4: Is uh if that's seem like, oh is he walking?
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  Speaker 5: I do wonder with Buffalo how much their new stadium
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  Speaker 5: is impacting their cash spending. Interesting because we were up
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  Speaker 5: there and people were talking about that, about how much
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  Speaker 5: money the ownership had sunk into the new stadium in Buffalo,
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  Speaker 5: and they they spent I think three hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 5: in cash last year on the team, and then all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden they just are are cut and payroll,
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  Speaker 5: and so I wonder if they don't have the actual
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  Speaker 5: cash to be fronting a roster like this anymore.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what counts because and I mentioned, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Taylor Rapp replaces Poyer. Well, they also replaced White with
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  Speaker 4: Rasul Douglas, who they picked up last year and actually
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  Speaker 4: played pretty well for them. So they had they had
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  Speaker 4: the money, it was a matter of moving the players
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  Speaker 4: around that they wanted to replace again, doesn't mean they're right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's what got the Patriots in
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  Speaker 4: trouble in the last ten years is after doing it
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  Speaker 4: perfectly for fifteen years or so, they started not replacing
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  Speaker 4: the right guys. So Buffalo definitely runs that risk that. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: you think Rap is the same as Poyer, He's not.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he is. By the way, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think he's as good a player. We'll see if it
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  Speaker 4: hurts them, do you know what I mean? But those
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  Speaker 4: are the decisions you make.
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  Speaker 3: It's I know, But in the case of the Bills,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's those are hard decisions because their win. This
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  Speaker 3: is their window.
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  Speaker 4: This is just their window kind of passed like they're they.
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  Speaker 3: Go as long as they have, Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 4: But they got younger and better. Yeah, we'll see if
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  Speaker 4: they're right. I don't think that. I don't think I
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  Speaker 4: don't think they're right right.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they think they got younger and better.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're resetting. I think they recognize that the
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  Speaker 5: veteran guys that that were a are aging out of
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  Speaker 5: their of their window. Here Josh Allen keeps the window open, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: but the thing is is that they they're the supplemental
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  Speaker 5: talent on the roster is aging, and it's not the
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  Speaker 5: same talent as it once was. Like Jordan Poyer is
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  Speaker 5: not the same player he was three years that's my point.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they're kind of doing what the Patriots didn't do.
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  Speaker 3: Remember we had those of all arguments about play the
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  Speaker 3: young guys, and you know they they stuck with the
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  Speaker 3: young the older guys, and the Bills just say, no,
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  Speaker 3: we're not gonna do that. We're gonna take the shot.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna go with the younger people. We're gonna reset
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  Speaker 3: even though we think we're close.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they definitely went all in last year. I
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  Speaker 4: mean like they had a lot of cash their cash
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  Speaker 4: outlay last year with top high and you can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: So now we have to reset r I.
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  Speaker 6: Did every work of von Miller too, so I thought
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  Speaker 6: that was kind of interesting, and he hasn't really done anything.
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  Speaker 4: I guess is that that one would have killed him
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  Speaker 4: on Dead Cat. I didn't look at it because I
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  Speaker 4: don't care about it. But my guess is there's a
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  Speaker 4: reasonable because he did nothing.
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  Speaker 6: No, he's not two years nothing, he's a nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, but you looked at like they made all
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  Speaker 4: these moves and I know they're minor signing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like Mitch Trubisky is not like breaking your bank. Rusull
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  Speaker 4: Douglas is not breaking your bank. That with David Edwards
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  Speaker 4: they kind of cut and resigned or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: They're all kind of minor on the market. But it's
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  Speaker 4: just taling you. The cap doesn't matter, Weld. It's mad
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  Speaker 4: stuff around to get what you want, and it's a
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  Speaker 4: bit of a reset. I agree with it.
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  Speaker 3: You have to consider the cap. You have to make
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  Speaker 3: these decisions. It can be manipulated, you know, every day
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  Speaker 3: and twice on Sunday, but you have to make those
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  Speaker 3: decisions and.
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  Speaker 4: Then you find out if they're right. And I do
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  Speaker 4: think that's part of what the Patriots dealt with is
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  Speaker 4: after kind of being right almost every time for a
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  Speaker 4: long time because Brady made it well you said it,
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  Speaker 4: not me, but they kind of started, you know, letting
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  Speaker 4: a Joe Tuney go and not necessarily you know, being
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  Speaker 4: better for it, and and things like that. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Trey Flowers as a lesser example, you know, not a
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  Speaker 4: you know, a cap altering move there, but you let
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  Speaker 4: him go and you know, maybe you were okay without him,
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  Speaker 4: maybe you weren't. But we'll see if Buffalo is really
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  Speaker 4: hurting without Poet, because I do think those two safeties
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  Speaker 4: I think were terrific, and I don't think they were perfect,
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  Speaker 4: But I do wonder if just plugging in another who
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  Speaker 4: kind of profiles similar in raps, he's not the same
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  Speaker 4: player now and that almost never works out the same.
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  Speaker 6: And those two guys were just like to me, the
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  Speaker 6: kind of the continuity of their defense, you know, like
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  Speaker 6: that was just those two guys were I mean, what
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  Speaker 6: game was it that they lost. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 6: well the win game that they lost, and then you
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  Speaker 6: know they kind of came out they looked dejected, but
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  Speaker 6: you know they kind of spoke for the team.
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  Speaker 4: So it's you know, it's not responsible for them getting
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  Speaker 4: past that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not just on the field, it's it's off
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  Speaker 6: the field too. These are you know, like to your point, Fred,
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  Speaker 6: these are leaders. These are guys that you have to
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  Speaker 6: you know, It's it's tough in that regard.
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  Speaker 3: Tyler in New York City says, sure, Buffalo owners put
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  Speaker 3: three hundred million into the stadium, but I put over
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  Speaker 3: fifty dollars myself. That's the per capital price of that
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  Speaker 3: stadium to New Yorkers. I love the lack of public
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  Speaker 3: money for Gillette.
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  Speaker 5: I would say that, like Brandon Bean, I think is
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  Speaker 5: recognizing that they need to turn over the roster. Like
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  Speaker 5: I would actually not say that this is more and
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  Speaker 5: I know they didn't have the three Super Bowls in
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  Speaker 5: the first time, but this is more to me like
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  Speaker 5: the two thousand and nine twenty ten Patriots where some
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  Speaker 5: of these guys you know, are starting to age out
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  Speaker 5: and some of these guys are retiring and now we
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  Speaker 5: have to turn over the roster, and then you get
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  Speaker 5: into like you know, the twenty ten's Pats like that.
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  Speaker 5: I think that this is more Buffalo recognizing we went
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  Speaker 5: for it with this core veteran group, we didn't win,
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  Speaker 5: and now here comes Josh Allen's contract and now we
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  Speaker 5: have to turn it over and start again.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, it's more importantly for the Patriots is what are
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  Speaker 3: you interested in any of these guys? And there's other
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  Speaker 3: people around the league that have been released. I know, Evan,
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  Speaker 3: you were saying, you know Q the.
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  Speaker 5: I've done that twice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Elliott Wolf on the phone, do.
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  Speaker 6: We have that meme? We need to get there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's not obviously it's him with the Patriot.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's the Browns. But whatever, I'll have to
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  Speaker 5: do for now.
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  Speaker 6: We should asked him when he was on then when
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  Speaker 6: we talked to him, like can we just get a
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  Speaker 6: picture of you, like looking at your phone, or like
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  Speaker 6: can we you go by that hurts counter and just
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  Speaker 6: stand over there, We'll take a quick picture.
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  Speaker 3: But I would imagine, but you know, these guys here
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  Speaker 3: are busy looking at the people that are you know,
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  Speaker 3: becoming available and seeing do we on them because we've
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  Speaker 3: got the money.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm kind of curious in the next twenty four
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  Speaker 6: hours when you or you know, I mean a lot
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  Speaker 6: of those guys, I assume they're gonna let at least
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  Speaker 6: test the market and see. But but I think this
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  Speaker 6: is the week where you kind of get your own
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  Speaker 6: house in order and get ready because what it's gonna
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: be Monday morning, all of a sudden, report report, report,
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: and it's all gonna it's all be coming fast and furious.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So there's that.
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: And Dynasty tonight is which episodes are up to seven
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: and eight.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I think seven and eight are coming out tonight. And
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: then we'll have the recap tomorrow night hours. I couldn't remember. Yeah,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: I'll be up watching.
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: It was out like last week. I watched it. I
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: was it was like eight o'clock. It was out Thursday night,
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: like eight o'clock last I just randomly checked and I'm like,
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: oh my.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: Gosh, and there they were midnight.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: They That's what I did to Paul. I was so excited.
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: I had nothing to do in the hotel room back
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: in Indie while all these guys are out partying, and I.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: Just whoa, whoa, whoa whoaa. So Mike's getting the director's cut.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: You guys right, I'm working.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to you know, we studying the team.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: Of course I was working too, working, working the sources,
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: work in the bomb.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Uh. Of course, use your own tap, of course. Drafted
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: still front and center for us. Our friend Chris Simms
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: this I don't know why he does this, but Ron
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: and Conway New Hampshire, right, same. My question is for
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Evan and Deuce. I was listening to Chris Simms podcast
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: today and listened to his top five QB prospects. I
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: know that I remember Evans saying many times that he
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: thought Williams and Daniels were amazing quarterbacks, but that may
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: would be the best fitting a v P system. SIMS
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: rankings Worth follows. He had Williams at one, Daniels at two,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: bow Knicks at three, Panix at four, McCarthy at five,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: and May at six.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: Also had Zach Wilson at number one in the two thousand.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: He's also had like Brady, Yeah, you know he had
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: so he does this. I don't know why, but he
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: does it. What do you guys think?
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: I think that we need to stop listening to every
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: guy that had like a cup of coffee in the
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: NFL's opinion about quarterbacks, like all of them are our
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: quarterback whispers whose opinion we should be taken seriously. Even
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: though his rankings every year stick was.
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: That what you were directing a tour where you've posted
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: that pick of Drake may just kind of like drop
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: back drop, like boom boom boom, let it go and
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: put it right in the bucket.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: It just the thing about it is is that and look,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: we all do it to an extent, but it's a
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: long drawn out process with the draft, and at some
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: point everybody gets prospect fatigue, and this guy becomes the
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: hot guy, and that guy becomes the hot guy. And
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: right now Drake May is the lightning rod. Like he's
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: the one that's taking on water for whatever reason, uh
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: in his stock. And I guarantee you that it's all
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: media thodder, Like there's no team that is moving Drake
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: May from two to six on their draft board at
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: this point of the offseason. It's it's the media that's.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: It just feels distant, Gen, it just feels like, look,
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: everybody's kind of got the same. You need to have
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: something to shake it up a little bit and get
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: everybody talking. And here we are talking about.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: But it does it. It makes me look dumb.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: I feel think he cares.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: But Evan, speaking of Drake May, he will be up
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: close and personal. He's going to be going to Drake
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: May's pro day as well as Jayden Daniels.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: I guess that's official now, Yeah, I mean I don't care.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: No, it's cool. I mean, well, I mean, Evan's been
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: driving the train on that He's wanted to do it.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: So we're like, yeah, let's let's send him to the
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: south and slow what's what is the speed limit down?
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Then let's sell sure we get that right seventy.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I went to b c's pro day last year with
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: day Flowers, and everybody around me was like, oh, you
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: got to go to no offense to b C. Bill Brian, great,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: great program, but you know you got to go to
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: an LSU and Alabama like one of these big time schools.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Their pro days are are totally different than this.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: There's it's a whole production.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's you know, ten times before.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: You get swag back.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: I'm just thinking that friend, he's gonna like a shirt.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: But you know, like I said yesterday when we were
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: talking about it, it's not just Jade and Daniels at LSU, right,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: you have Molik neighbors, you have Brian Thomas Junior. You
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: know at U n C, Tess Walker will be catching
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: passes from Drake May. So there's a lot of guys
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: to see it all these pro days, which is the
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: cool part about going to like a big school like
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: l s U.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Are We gonna have to keep a leash on you though,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: because you can't be like running out there and like
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: you know, running break.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Up at the you gotta stack them when it comes to.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Be like a Taylor Swift running down and start you're
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: not running it right.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: When it comes to LSU's pro day, what I'm most
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: interested to see in is is probably one of the
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: biggest knocks not you know actually on film with Jaden Daniels,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: is his arm strength.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: You know it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Can he really drive the ball. So maybe I'll get
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: like a radar gun and put it like right behind
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: him and get the m p h s on.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: The you gotta see if he's put some weight onto
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: we're talking about you know, his big mac.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not winging it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Can you get a radar gun through TSA.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe I'll buy it in in that room.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Jack Chin to gift the picture. I didn't even
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: realize that was in my bag.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: So yeah, there you go.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: I go around, well because they do.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: They do the radar gun at the combine now, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: everybody puts like all of it into it like it's
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: not a no one's using like an actual throwing motion.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: They're throwing it like it's a you know, it's a
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: max out situation. So it's you know, JJ McCarthy threw
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: like sixty one miles an hour and everybody made a
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: big deal out of It's like, yeah, but if you
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: watch him throw, it's that's not how he throws. He
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: just absolutely unloaded one and it went sixty one miles
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: an hour. It's like, all right, well, I don't know
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: how much stock I actually put into that. I want
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: to see how they throw it. Actually the eighties, but
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: your picture, oh.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: That was yeah.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, that's a base with a smaller,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: that's a much that's a mushball. And Joe Milton got
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: up there and threw it sixty two miles an hour.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: But if you actually watch the clip, he just threw
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: it like he threw it like you would throw it
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: in from the pocket, and he still threw at sixty
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: two and then walked off the finger.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: He's kind of cool.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I think it would be fun.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: Some team's gonna get some fun with him, like in
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: training camp, you know, like late round, mid round guy,
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: and bring him in, let him rifle some balls around.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Just to let everyone know, we can't take phone calls
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: today because we had a power outage in the building
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: yesterday lasted about two or three hours and it knocked
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: out our phone bank. So no phone calls. But you
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: can't email us at web radio at pages dot com.
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: I wish someone would email us in because I can't
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: find it. I've looked for it, but there's this like
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: stupid thing going around, like many in the Combine believe
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: that the forty nine ers would have had at least
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: two Super Bowls if Mac Jones was on the And
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: I'm like, what, like, did you watch mac Jones at all?
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: But the thing I like about it though, and I'm like,
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: that's great, give us a second round pick for him then,
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: you know, like, but I just I mean, it goes
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: back to what Evan was saying about silly season here,
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: where I'm like it clearly to me seems like Max
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: Agent's trying to, you know, drum off some interest, so
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: hopefully maybe it drums up.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: A little drifts.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: That's why I wish someone would would tell us where
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: it came from, because it was attributed to NFL Network.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: I don't know exactly who said it, and it's it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: going around right now.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Speaking of NFL Network, Matt Jude Judan was on yesterday
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: and he's on today too. Yeah, and he's on today too,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: but he was talking about Matt Jones and you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: defended him, and you know he was.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Gonna, He's gonna when everything was perfect, he was pretty good.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: He also said that he wants the Patriots to trade down.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Oh is that what he said?
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: I said trade down? And he said all these quarterbacks,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: everybody hypes them up and then they all stink, So
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: trade down and accumulated.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: He said they all stink.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: He didn't say stink, but yes.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: What did he say, brock Bowers, I saw something like that.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know who if he put
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: a name to the claim, but he said he wants
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: the Patriots to trade down, accumulate assets, and go out
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: and get more offensive weapons.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: You know, here's here's how crazy I am. My muscle memory.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, I bet you Bill hates when
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: he says all this stuff. Yeah, they're not here anymore anymore.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: As a Patriots fan, Like I take this part of
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: it away. I don't like him, So I can imagine
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if if coaches don't like that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Now, I think, I mean, I kind of with the
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: eye kind of on your team. The act is kind
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: of warnt thin with every off season him like, you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: joking the recruiting guys.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: If there's like one guy that you maybe have a
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: relationship with and it's you know, like the Lebron you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: like someone who every team would obviously love to have.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: And that's different. But when you openly solicit every single
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: guy who's available all the time, what is that sight
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: to your teammates?
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: It's like my cat, like every time someone gets released
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: and he does the Patriot and it's like, are you
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: just doing it now or are you serious?
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Like what are we doing? Like do you think you
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: And maybe he would, I mean, if you ask Matthew,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: maybe he would feel fine. But like if if Hunter
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Henry said, oh, you know, hey, von Miller, why don't
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: you come here. We need a pass rusher, We need
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: someone who can actually get after the quarterback, you know, like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: would you feel okay with that? Yeah? Right now? You know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: And maybe Matthew would. Maybe he would take it as
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: a joke.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know, But stuff with judn't because he is
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: he's pretty funny. You can't, you know, you never take
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: anything he says too seriously.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying that if I was
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: a teammate, why is he always looking to replace me?
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: He's looking good though, this Jean Jack at the eighties Acid.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: So where's mac Jones going?
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: I missed, like, oh there was just like you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: reports from Indy where that if the forty nine ers
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: had had Mac Jones they'd have at least two Super Bowls.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: And I wanted to like tweet like a picture of
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes and be like yeah, right.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, oh right, then if mac Jones was the Niners
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: quarterback and everything was the same, they'd have got knocked
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: out by Green Bay in the wildcard round.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: And there it is.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Somebody speaking of the forty nine ers. Somebody had something
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: to say about Trey Lance either yesterday the day before
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: about how uh he thinks that he's gonna come back
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: and prove people wrong.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: He quite the comeback. I mean, we talked about one
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: hundred times. He's just he hasn't played any football going
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: back to college like with COVID, and I mean, you know, I.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Mean, he hasn't played an actual football season since like
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, which is wild.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Five years ago.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: So I don't know. I mean, I'm sure i'd love
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: to hear what he's doing, you know, because I mean,
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: hopefully he's fresh.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Would you rather have Trey Lance or Zach Wilson?
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: Trey Lance because of the unknown, Like I mean, then
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: that's not because I think he's.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Better, it's just but it's not a great I'm all
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: set on both.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Okay. Would you rather have Sam Darnold or Trey Lance?
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: Again, probably Trey Lance, just because I could talk myself
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: into it. I don't maybe he'll all of a sudden
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: now he's fully healthy.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: There's nothing there, but I'd like to find out for sure.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Would you rather have Bailey Zappi or Trey Lance?
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Of course? Definitely?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Uh Chad Atlanta. I simply do not understand the hate
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: J McCarthy. I'm not saying he should be taking at
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: number one, but he wouldn't be someone I'd be afraid
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: to take in the top ten. If the Patriots could
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: trade back to eight with Atlanta while picking up some
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: extra picks, I take a shit on JJ. They could
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: also use the Atlanta picks to trade back up if
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: they wanted.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: I would like to challenge people that our JJ McCarthy
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: supporters don't don't pull one throw like no, don't pull
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: the highlight reel off of YouTube and showed show like
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: break down in a well thought out manner of why
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: this guy is a top ten pick, right, like explain
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: to explain it to me.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And then the other thing that we heard is, well,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: he's going to go to the combine, he's gonna throw
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: and he's going to show people that he's got a
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: better on these and he didn't.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: But those people think that he did. They did. That's like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: that's the Yeah, I've never seen an element like this.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think he threw well, but there's an element
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: that thinks he blew up the combine.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: I have never seen anything like it, at least in
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: twenty one with Zach Wilson. He did impress at all
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: of these things, like his Pro day, he was really
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: really impressive throwing the football. JJ McCarthy's done nothing to
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: help his stock, and all of a sudden he's a
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: top ten pick. I've never seen anything like that.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: If you can give the quarterback eleven seconds to throw
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: the was an impressive throw.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see Jeff and uh Brooklyn. What do you
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: guys think of a trade down, get some picks, take penix.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, aside from injuries and maybe age, what's the
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: knock on him?
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: To me?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: He, in theory doesn't have the upside of the other
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: top three guys. But his floor seems pretty high, and
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I think he might actually be really solid solid, like good,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: not solid, like we're settling.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Thoughts thirty four. If you want to take Penix, if
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: he if you're convinced that Penix is your guy for
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: whatever reason, he's going to be there at thirty four,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: there's no reason to take him in the top ten.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: Just trying to limit red flags this year.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: I would just disagree about the floor. I think his
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: floor is significant.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: It's literally on the ground because he's injured and he
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: can't get out.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: And I'm not telling you I'm not interested in Pennis.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I like Panix, I said on Tuesday.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I think kind of like him too.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I think you can make an argument he's the best
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: passer out of all of these guys. But you're overlooking
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: something very significant. If you think his floor is high,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: his floor is probably as low as any of them
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: because of the injuries.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I would also say that he can't hand He does
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: not handle pressure well, like pressure in the pocket. I'm
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: not talking about like outside pressure. So in terms of
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: actual film, to take the durability and the injury concerns
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: out of it, there are reasons you turn on you know,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: the Oregon game, the Michigan game where he did face
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: some pressure and it's not pretty. So I don't think
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: that he's this, you know, flawless prospect even on film either.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: But he should be there. I would think at thirty
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: four because of the injuries. I just don't see people
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: taking a risk in the first Do.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: You remember when the Patriots took Dominique Easley in the
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: first round? Yeap, what was the risk?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: His knees, right was what happened?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: That's like, that's floor. The floor there is that he's
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: injury prone and he keeps getting hurt. Yeah, like that's
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: and then he was that's not insignificant.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I'll never remember the walk when he comes in on
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that first day with the guys and everyone looked at
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: his knees and like you can't even.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Walk, friends, Fred goes he's limping. Now he's like whispering
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: to me he could get up. It wasn't like the
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: football player, you know, like Teddy Bruski had a limb.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well he did like normalise yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well teacher wise everything he's just arms and legs everywhere,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: but his his his knees looked like they were about
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: to crack.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, yeah, I saw that. I saw that
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: when he came out. I mean, but I remember being intrigued,
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: just being like, you know, when you watched his really
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: good film from Florida, how quick he was off the ball,
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: and it was like, wow, this is you know. There
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: was so much conversation about with Brady, like the way
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: you gotta get Brady is up the pressure up the middle,
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: and it was like, this guy looks like he's a
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: pressure up the middle. Factory never worked out.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: And I just want to go back to that JJ
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: McCarthy think, because I I don't hate JJ McCarthy and
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be characterized as I don't see
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: anything there. I think the other three are markedly better
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: than he is. But the thing that I that I
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: can't get past. And and this is something we talked
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: about on Tuesday also, but Lewis Riddick tweeted about this
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: sort of finger wagging people like me evidently who you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: if you think that JJ McCarthy can't do this because
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: you haven't seen it, then you're not analyzing, you know.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing the tweet and I agree with him, But
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: that's why I'm kind of out on him. I've seen
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: the other guys do it. I haven't seen him do it. Right,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: that doesn't mean I don't think he can. And I said,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I feel like there are a lot of comparisons to
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: mac Jones being made there. I think that athletically he
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: blows mac Jones away.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: He's more physically talented guy, like I.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Think he has a lot more ability than mac Jones.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: The similarity is they're both seemingly rising up in the
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: first round as we get from the season to the draft.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: That's the similarity to me. And now I'm not telling
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: you I wouldn't take him, but I think the other
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: three guys have done more and shown that they can
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: do it. If you believe in McCarthy, you're believing in
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: something that he hasn't shown you yet. Yeah, and that
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: makes you right. If you're right, you're right.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: I totally agree. And that's the kind of guys that, like,
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: I just don't feel like at this stage of where
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: you aren't rebuild, that you can afford to kind of
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: take those chances of like, well it's not really there,
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: but we think we can get them there. I just
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: prefer them this year. Whatever position it is to take
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: guys that you've seen it there, you know it can fit.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Is he going to turn out to be great pro
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: there's always you know, you're always tossing the dice and
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: you don't know for sure. But and it's weird because
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: like I don't want to say that I want guys
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: with high floors, like because I think they need talent,
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: you know, I think they need they need guys with
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: high floors and high ceilings. You know, that's what they need.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: And that's where Evan talks about Panis a little bit. Yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: there's a low floor there, but the talent part of it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: He's a really good passer, but he's not really high
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: end at all. A lot of other stuff. Now, I
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: think that he does seem like he gets a lot
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: out of it because I think he is a really
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: good leader. He's really respect us. I think that, you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: for two different programs, he was the centerpiece of their success.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: So there's a lot to like about Panis. But Evan's right, like,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: it's not high end quote unquote talent.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Jim McCarthy. What frustrates me about j J. McCarthy
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: has nothing to do with him. It's just The propaganda
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: that has come out from NFL media about JJ McCarthy
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: in this draft process is I've never seen anything like
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: it in my time covering the draft. I've never seen
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: a pr campaign like this for a quarterback to prop
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: up a quarterback that he's this top ten talent when
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: it's just simply not there on film like that.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Good, then then Jim Harbaugh should take him and trade Herbert.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I said that before.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: My brother said that to me. Yeah, Tuesday, he goes,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: you know, it's just he's the best quarterback. Well, maybe
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: you know it's too bad at the clock, he goes,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: it's too bad that he has Herbert, so you're not
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: going to know like you. I said, Well, if he
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: makes as good as he's saying he is, he should
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: be dealing Herbert for like multiple ones and taking this guy.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was better than him, right.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: I mean I was listening to Greg co Sell talk
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: about him this morning, and uh and Greg Cosell is
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: just ripping him for two straight minutes on this podcast
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: about all the things that he struggles with, and I'm like,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: this is what's on the tape. Like you you can
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: talk about it as like this, you know, Pie in
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: the sky. This is what he could be, you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: two years from now. But if you're the Patriots, are
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: you taking a guy that you have to wait two
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: years for him to be even maybe scratching the surface,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: or are you need somebody right now? You can't wait that.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Long Chris and fort Worth, He says Evan, But this
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: could be for anyone. What's worse drafting McCarthy at three
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: or drafting cold strange in twenty twenty two.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know, I don't know. I don't need
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: to relive the cold Strange pick.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: My answer strange, Probably.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: Strange just because he's a guard.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and at.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: The point of where that that Patriots team was and
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: how much they needed to nail that pick and they
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: just totally flow.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: The people that are high on McCarthy, they might be right.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Maybe he could do more than he was asked to
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: do at Michigan and he does it in the NFL
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: like that. To me, everybody else thought was a fifth
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: round pick, right.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: This is like if they said, like, well, what you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: ninety nine would take Tom Brady at three over all?
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: Like what, No, that's ridiculous.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: But hey, J. J.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: McCarthy genius, The biggest issue that I have with him
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: isn't even about the Michigan offense. He can't control the ball.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: His accuracy is wild. And he also he's a one
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: speed thrower. He's all velocity. He has no touch on
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: the ball. He doesn't control it well. That type of
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: stuff is really difficult to just all of a sudden boom,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: you get it. Like, you know, he throws a five
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: yard you know, crossing route the same way he's gonna
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: throw fifteen yard out. You can't do that. It's just
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: leaving yards on the field. And he does it constantly.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Jared and Vermont, I'm going to be a big time
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: homer in this instance. And just admit I'm probably going
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: to be happy with whatever they do with their first
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: round pick. May Daniel LT Harrison trade back. All of
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: those scenarios right, chiming in. All of those scenarios make
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: sense to me. No one knows what they're talking about, Okay,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: well we got to talk.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Then those are two different things, like you can because
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of like the emailer here, believe it or not,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: I would be happy, I think with any of the
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: three quarterbacks. I would be happy if they said, you
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: know what, I like two of them and the one.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: The two that I liked were one two and I
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: how to go in a different direction, went with Marvin
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Harrison or trade it. I could absolutely be wishy watching
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: and talk myself into all three of those scenarios. It
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: has nothing to do with nobody knows what they're talking about. Yes,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: we don't know who they're gonna pick. Yeah, we get it,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Like I the shot at us that has to constantly
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: accompany these people, like it's just so tiring. Yeah, I
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: don't get that. But yeah, I don't know who they're
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: gonna pick. I'm not not in the meetings. Let's see
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: what that will get it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: They don't get those is that we don't care, like
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: it's fun and we like looking at these guys and
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: it's like, oh imagine you get this guy like that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: We won't do any shows, we won't do any analysis.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Like well, I just feel it pull me back the
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: day after Sun Draft. It's a fool's errand I don't
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: know what they're gonna do.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: I feel like that Paul's hundred percent right, and your
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: boy Felger does it all the time where it's like
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: the mock drafters are terrible it's like, it's not about
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: the mock drafts, Like I could care less if my
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: mock draft is right or not. We all know that
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: we're just throwing darts against the board when it comes
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: to the mock drafts.
• 35:53
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• 36:09
  Speaker 6: No, let me let me ask since she's talked about Felger,
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: I got to bring this out. So this is like
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: one of his things, and I've heard it before, but
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: I just think he's absolutely ridiculous with Bill's boat thing
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: and naming it eight rings instead of six rings. And
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: then I'm thinking that I'm managing Paul, like walking driving
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: his boat with like six rings. I'm like, if it
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: was Paul or like a media member with but like
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: the guy has eight rings, like he wants to call
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: his boat when he wants, and he gets so worked
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: up about he takes credit for those two Super Bowls he.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Takes credit super Bowl like what he's got sick ring.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: I mean it's not like, I mean there's a million
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: things to kill Felder about. That's not one nighte.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Every draft, every draft season, Felger attacks me in barth
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: like personally because he knows how much we get into
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: the draft. I like that he knows how much we
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: get into the draft, and he points and makes fun
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: at us because they do the Felger in Mas big
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: boy and his hit rate's just as good as our
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: hit raid and you know, YadA YadA YadA. So every
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: draft season I pull my hair out listening to them.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: I actually, well, sorry, friend, I just to finish act
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: like they were funny. Yesterday though, they were talking about
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: are you somebody called in and they're like, well, it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: a new regime. Are you a little bit worried about
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: throwing darts? And they're like, to be honest, we kind
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: of are.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I did hear that? That was kind of funny. It's
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: funny like they think, like the mojo's thrown off because it's.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: The best is is like, you know kind of that
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: we joke about. Deuce will come in in January and
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: tell me about some guy that Bart and I've been
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: talking for like six months. And it's funny because they
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: they'll like hit a dart on the board and they're
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: like Rome Dune and they have no idea who he is.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: And when it's like a top ten pick is so.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Here's where I will kill this is like I said, like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: that's not one of the ones, you know, like.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's a trivial, but I'll kill him.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: They've gone on for two weeks telling you why Drake
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: May sucks and why Caleb Williams sucks when they openly
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: admit they do not watch any games. Yeah, so I
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: have to lik like I'm not like the emailer, Like
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Chris Simms, he's a former quarterback. His father is, you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl champion. Yeah, I don't have to agree
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: with him. But I'll watch Kurt Warners breakdown of the Quarterbacks.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: I'll watch General Lofsky's I'll I'll take it all in
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: and sort of try to sift through the information. Three
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: guys that openly admit they do not care and do
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: not watch anything, and they're telling me like, no, no,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: that's ridiculous. Felger tell me it's ridiculous to start a
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: quarterback in day one and then somebody else zo in
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: the midday. Tell me it's ridiculous to take a guy
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: at three and not expect him to start on day one.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Like these guys openly admit they don't watch anything. Yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: who picks? Why am I? Why am I watching? Why
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: am I listening to that?
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: Who picks the names that they're throwing at? Like the
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: throwing the darts at? Like is it like barf picking
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: the names?
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Or no? No, no no. In a magazine they roll markers
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: out and whatever the market hits. Yeah, okay, they do that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: But here's the thing that they don't tell you. They say,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Like they talk about the hit rate, they do three
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: for every position, So you're kind of up in your
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: rods that you're gonna get one.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: And if you open the magazine to the top guys.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Like if you could pick like three, four or five
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: guys from every position every year, don't you think you'd
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: get one?
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: Well that's kind of what we do with the big board.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Polm.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And yet I'm right, yet, and yet I was
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: trying to give you guys credit.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Just got one last year and zip before I would
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: just say with the former quarterbacks thing that you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: all these guys now have an opinion on the current
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: quarterback class, and I what I noticed from them is
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: that they watch, they grade the twenty twenty three film
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: and they say, you know, this guy's the best right
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: now in college. But when it comes to the draft,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: that that's not what You're not trying to draft the
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: best college quarterback. If you're trying to draft the draft
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: the best college quarterback, then Mac Jones would have gone
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: one to one in his draft, like he You know,
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: that's I think the difference that I see with their
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: rankings versus like draft media rankings, like a Dan Brugler
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: or Daniel Jeremiah projection. They're projecting how these guys are
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: gonna play in the league. Like I get that Drake
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: May has footwork issues and it might drive Dan Orlovsky
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: nuts that he has footwork issues, but somebody in the
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: league is saying, well, I'm gonna give him to avp.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Avp is gonna drill his footwork for six straight months
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: and we'll get it squared away.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Like that's the difference I think.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: And I look at that funny too, and I'm with
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: you on this, and I think I saw you tweet
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: something about this f But like you have a guy
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: and Fred we were talking about this with Matt. If
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: you have a guy that has footwork issues but you
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: feel good about other stuff, like well, then you feel
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: good about the other stuff that you can't teach, right, Yeah,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Like I just come back and listen. Is he gonna
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: beat Josh Allen? He probably won't, right, Like, what are
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: the chances that two guys? But like Josh Allen played
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: pretty much right away. He played as a rookie, even
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: though he didn't start Week one eleven starts right, he
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: played as a rookie, and he was wild as hell.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Mike remember the game when he was throwing those passes
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I always tell you about there was like it's like
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: three or four times you're like, this guy is all
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: over whoa did you see that one? Did you see
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: that one? It's like that whole thing about the scout
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: when you have the profile, when you're the six to
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: five guy who throws ninety five? Oh did you see that?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Ye? Did you see that?
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: They don't worry about that that he hit the bull
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: like nukle loosh, Right, you just sort of fixate on
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: the things that he does, right that to me is
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Drake May. I can fix the mechanics dan Orlovski, I
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: can't fix the fact that these other guys don't have
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: the size, arm strength, mobility, toughness.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: And that's that's that's why I want to go like,
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: let's just take a swing on him, and he has
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: some worts, But I don't need the mac tezes.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: I think with Josh Allen because I did not like
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Josh Allen coming out full disclosure.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: Full disclosure. I absolutely loved him, Yeah, I.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, But the one the one thing I learned from
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: the Josh Allen thing was that Josh Allen obviously had
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: all the physical tools, but his eyes were always in
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: the right places. The ball just didn't always go where
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: he wanted to go. And you can make it that
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: if you have a quarterback that can read the field,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: that can see defenses, that can do all that, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: then has the physical tools, then you can fix things
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: on the margins. Can you can fine tune his release,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: you can fix his footwork. What you can't do is
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: teach instincts and you can't teach physical tools. Like Zach
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Wilson has all the physical tools in the world, he
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: doesn't know where to throw the football like you can't
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: fix that. It's really hard to train that.
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  Speaker 8: you need. Bring your phone to you or Verison Stwart's
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: Day and get my planning. These deals won't last. It's
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: your Verizon.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: As I think back over the past few seasons, I
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: wanted to thank my most trusted game day teammate, Toastitos.
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: As I recall the last minute grocery runs in late
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: night dishwashing, the salty defeats and spicy victories, I realize
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: it was all thanks to my teammate, Toastitos. It was
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: always you, Toastedos. Team up with Toastedos, the official chip
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: and Dip of the New England Patriots.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: What's up, Everybody?
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: Patriots linebacker Matt Judon was on Good Morning Football. He
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: talked about his recovery from his bicep injury and impressions
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: of Drid Mayo as head coach.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to what he had to say.
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: All right, start with your twenty twenty three season off
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: to a hot start. Your season was cut short though
• 44:52
  Speaker 9: with your bicep injury. Said, you haven't played since week before.
• 44:54
  Speaker 9: Your body feeling great. Now take us more into that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: How's the comeback going?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Well? Comeback going uh good?
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: You know, me and my trainer's Nick and Dan and Dallas,
• 45:04
  Speaker 10: we're just working hard to get back all the strength
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: and flexibility and we're there now. It's been a long
• 45:10
  Speaker 10: time and so uh so for that, I'm.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Doing really well. So let me ask you.
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: People say, like when an achilles happens, they like you
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: have that feeling roll up the back. What does a
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: bicep injury feel like?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: When when I felt like like a rubber band hit me?
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: So you said, power in your arms, shoulder, just like
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: right where.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It happens attachment. So uh I was like, damn, it's
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: really hurting. For a minute, I was like I can't
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: really like mend it. You can't move, you can't pick
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: your arm up. Yeah I can't. I can't bend it.
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: And then uh, the worst the worst party is like
• 45:49
  Speaker 10: trying to get the pass in jersey off. Oh them, No, Yeah,
• 45:56
  Speaker 10: we still took it off. So I think if it's
• 45:59
  Speaker 10: like broke or dislocated, they do it. But that was like,
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: as your bodice have suck it up. So we took
• 46:05
  Speaker 10: it off and uh and then like uh, obviously I
• 46:10
  Speaker 10: had to shower, So I was like showering. Then couldn't
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: you with my right hand? I was all lefty And
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: then it was kind of hurting. But after that, uh,
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: you know, got the surgery.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And it started healing.
• 46:24
  Speaker 10: Really fast, and I was trying to come back. I
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: ain't get to come back this year, so uh, I
• 46:30
  Speaker 10: got a lot of story next year.
• 46:32
  Speaker 11: There you go, Patriots gotta do some healing, you know.
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: I mean you know that, but some with Belichick, though
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: you played for him for three years, what was it
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: like when you finally heard like coaches leaving.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Belichick was a great coach. Uh. I looked up to him.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I think he was one of the best to ever
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: do it. Uh.
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: And at the clip that he did in the high
• 46:55
  Speaker 10: level IQ that he had, it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Was it was amazing to learn from him.
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: But I think just with him leaving, I think it's
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: just new energy and new life in a building.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: You know, sometimes it's just time. And I think, uh,
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: it was just kind of.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: One of those times.
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: And I think, uh, we went to hire Mayo and uh,
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: bringing bringing in somebody that's been actually there for those
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: years that kind of understand player perspective and coaching and
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: also how uh how coach Belichick actually ran the system.
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: I think of bringing somebody like that instead of somebody
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: that's outside that didn't.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Know at all, uh kind of helped us.
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: It kind of helped us because I think Mao seeing
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: it going one way and he kind of trying to
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: get it to go a different way. And so right
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: there we got a we got new life, we got
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: new you know, expectations, and right right now we just
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: we all getting healthy and all getting back.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: But I think when we start, we're all gonna try
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: to kind of run through a wall for Mao, because
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: he always had our back throughout everything that we go through.
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: We always kind of will go talk to him and
• 48:06
  Speaker 10: he will understand and he'd be like, all right, I talked,
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: I had his.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Kind of talk.
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: I had his kind of talk, and then he would
• 48:11
  Speaker 10: come to us. And also just talk to us.
• 48:15
  Speaker 12: It's interesting because the Patriots for twenty three years with
• 48:17
  Speaker 12: Belichick and Brady and now it's his different eraror and
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: it's Mayo and the vibe you're talking about how his
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: press conference was so different than any Bill Belichick press conference.
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: Mayo gets up there and he immediately is like, Okay,
• 48:31
  Speaker 12: ask me questions. He's smiling, he's laughing. Do you feel
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: I would say a light in this building right now? Like,
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: do you feel like it's a little lighter and it's
• 48:39
  Speaker 12: a little less heavy and disciplinary. I don't say disiplinary,
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: because I think Mayo is quite disciplined. I mean just
• 48:46
  Speaker 12: no days off, no days off, no windows.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Like does it feel little different?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah? But who that's who Mayo is. That's a man.
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: He'd let his personality shine. He'd let who he is
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: be a front. I think coach Belichick was like that too,
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: but he was he was like that behind closed doors
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: because he didn't want you to portray him in a
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: certain way. And Mayo is like, what, this is who I am.
• 49:11
  Speaker 10: This is who I've always been. I've been in the
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: media before, you know, I had highs and lows in
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: a game of football before y'all talked to me.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I've been in the media.
• 49:21
  Speaker 10: I had to do the personnel conference with that all
• 49:25
  Speaker 10: the coaches do. And that's how he always was. He said, Okay,
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna speak my mind. I'm gonna say what I
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: need to say, and then that's gonna be it. And
• 49:34
  Speaker 10: so that's that's who he is. He's gonna laugh, he's
• 49:36
  Speaker 10: gonna joke with you, but he's also going to discipline
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: you to it. I don't think, I don't think like
• 49:42
  Speaker 10: he's a soft guy.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he was. He was top ten for a reason.
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: Like he's not soft, and he he's also a leader
• 49:51
  Speaker 10: of men, but he just does it in a different way.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: It's just like you said, it's just a new bod.
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: I mean, you have to consider, like those two guys
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: are allowed to be that way. Like Belichick came out
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: and emerged from a completely different coaching era where that
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: was kind of that was the norm. It was like
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: you show your smile when the door is closed, and
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: like it's only for a flash. Like Gerard in this
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: new age of like he's a younger, he was a
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: player and he was around these guys, like I think
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: he just equipped himself as a different type of head coach.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 10: I think like when coach Belichick started, media wasn't like
• 50:25
  Speaker 10: that big, right, Yeah, it wasn't that big, and media
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: wasn't always around, and a camera wasn't always in your
• 50:32
  Speaker 10: face and stuff, and you can kind of hide some
• 50:35
  Speaker 10: stuff and kind of sweep some stuff under the world.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: And now it's not like that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 10: Now it's like, maybe you'll starting quarterback, might have a
• 50:43
  Speaker 10: camera crew with him at all time. And so I
• 50:46
  Speaker 10: think Mayo is just adapting to that. He's adapting that.
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: He's everything's going to be new for the first three
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: hundred and sixty five.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Everything is going to be new to.
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: Him because he's been in this position, but he's never
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: been in a head coaching answa.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you said you.
• 51:01
  Speaker 11: Liked Belichick, like you know, people maybe like him, don't
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: like him. You're a Belichick guy. He likes playing for him.
• 51:06
  Speaker 11: What did you think when he leaves the Patriots and
• 51:08
  Speaker 11: then doesn't get another job and no one hires him.
• 51:11
  Speaker 10: I think he has done it a certain way for
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: so long. I think it's just hard to come to terms,
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: and I think people had to move faster. It's not
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: like you can play some franchise tag on a coach,
• 51:25
  Speaker 10: it's like, Okay, we got to get this done now,
• 51:28
  Speaker 10: because you got to start up valuating, you got to
• 51:30
  Speaker 10: put together your coaches.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: You got to start doing this.
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: And if you can't get that done kind of fast
• 51:37
  Speaker 10: kind of coaching carousel, you kind of just move on
• 51:39
  Speaker 10: to the next year.
• 51:40
  Speaker 12: That's in case from someone to say to you, Hey,
• 51:42
  Speaker 12: we're thinking about hiring Bill Belichick as the head coach
• 51:44
  Speaker 12: next year. It's seventy three. Would Matthew ch Don say, hell, yeah,
• 51:47
  Speaker 12: go hire that guy?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Would I would? I would say hire that guy.
• 51:51
  Speaker 10: He's going to be great for the organization, He's going
• 51:54
  Speaker 10: to be great for the team. And then I I
• 51:58
  Speaker 10: will also have to tell him about like the downfalls,
• 52:01
  Speaker 10: Like you know, it might not be too many smiles
• 52:05
  Speaker 10: you get out to do. It might not be too
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: many lasting jokes you might have got to get out
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: on with the media and stuff and the press. Might
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: you know, you're gonna have to have some pushback on that.
• 52:14
  Speaker 10: Sou But I think as a higher as a head coach,
• 52:18
  Speaker 10: like you couldn't get it's hard to get.
• 52:21
  Speaker 13: Better when someone accidentally threw the school player costumes. Oh
• 52:27
  Speaker 13: no replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof
• 52:30
  Speaker 13: of delivery, everybody could focus on the perfect opening night
• 52:34
  Speaker 13: FedEx where now it's next for residential delivery only.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: And now great moments in.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: History.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, Eric, honey, let me tell you it's possible to
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: be boyd.
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: We've been listening to you for all these years. Wow,
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: all right, both, this is it to decide it? Miss Megan,
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: Miss Meghan.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Who do you got? I assume you are? You on mute?
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Oh? The suspense a tie lit?
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: It's fitting, isn't it?
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: Thank you for joining me.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: But for those of you playing at home, we have.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: The rules clearly say that I have to make up
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: the final uh tie vote, so and I have to
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: go with Fred on that one.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: All right, you are an ass kisser. You already have
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: the job right.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: Watch me shake my head at your impressions just now.
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: Ask been calling it fair.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: Somebody give morell napkin or a clean she's gonna wipe
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: the stuff is falling.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered, no phones but
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: web radio at patriots dot com in case you want
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: to email us. Yeah, that was what was that? The
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: accent off or the impression off.
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: So it wasn't really great for radio because Meghan didn't
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: say who she picked. She just held it up. I
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: don't know what she was doing. That's why she went
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: to TV.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I won that fair and square.
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: So Megan like dropped off.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: That's what happened.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which was it?
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: It wasn't a zoom was it?
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: She was on zoom that day?
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: It was rough.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really remember that day.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: You don't remember the impression off.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: I do remember that. I don't remember like Megan dramatically
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: trying to make a pick or a voted great moments.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: I remember Christian Chris with a T I A and
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: he chimed in with votes. One of the times we
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: did that. Ye, plus the one I really remember was
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: was you and Andy. That's the one that little girl
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: and Dusel doorf That's the one. I don't think you
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: can find anymore.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: What context was that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: I think we scrubbed that one from the internet.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, but that it was still me and Eric.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you probably. Oh, maybe I was wrong. Maybe
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: it's still available. It shouldn't.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: That's all you're allowed to say.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: It's all in fun, Paul, I know, Jake and which
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: the rest of the world agreed with Jake and Melbourne Australia.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: If Pennix didn't have his injuries, where would he rank
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: in this class of quarterbacks if he didn't have the injuries,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: if that wasn't an issue.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: Q four This is where I have I'm still before, Yeah,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: because I don't, like, I'm not a doctor. I'm not
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: going to sit here and like look at his x
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: rays and stuff like that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: So Cuby Funny might be fourth in the first round.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I maybe, yeah, yeah maybe yeah maybe Like in
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: the team he.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: Would definitively be ahead of McCarthy.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: For me, yes, okay, yeah, way more consistent. Yeah, but
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: sounds right to me.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not good at that.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Q before.
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: That's ranking things.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm not like the Jordan Travis thing the
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: other day. I told when you guys were still in Indie,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: my initial doubt was I don't think he was that hot.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: But I was like, maybe I was wrong, And then
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: I looked it up and I did see that he
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: was a Day three guy even before the injury staffs.
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: Scrap.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you I forgot after the break. I have
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: another read. It's a quick one, easy to drink, easy
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: to enjoy, dipep but Light, the official beer sponsor of
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: the New England Patriots.
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: I've actually memorized that one.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, wait, let's hear it.
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: Easy to drink, easy to enjoy, bud Light, the official
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: beer sponsor of the New England Patriots.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: Okay, the job is your copy without So do we
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: not have to read it on Tuesday now because we
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: did to today?
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Well, I just wanted to, you know, I was I
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: stepped on a little bit.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: I'll be giving out free advertising.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Feel free to give out free bud Light. I'll take that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, celts L from Wisconsin writes in uh, there
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: are some scenarios in which I won't be happy. One
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: they trade down. I think there's enough talent worthy to
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: take at three to keep the pick and take it.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Two they take a tackle. Can't wait to have another
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: four win team, but a solid tackle on the line.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: In three, they take bo Nicks.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Need I explain this is at three?
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Well, bo Nix isn't going.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: I think he meant I think anywhere he says, you know, yeah.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: Bo Nix is interesting because he's Daniel Jeremiah uses Alex
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: Smith as a comp for bow Knicks, where he's got
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: really good accuracy within twenty I mean, he's at the
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: completion record in college football. So it's not he's got accuracy,
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: he's just not aggressive, Like he doesn't attack down the
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: field aggressively like some of these other guys do. So
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: if you it's not the Patriots, it's that's not the
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: right team for bo Nicks. But if you're a team
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: that has a lot of the you know, the Niners
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: ish model, that has a lot of the the pieces,
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: and all he's got to do is distribute the ball
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: to them, then he's you could do worse.
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: In do you think the signs will be pointing towards
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: what they'll do with a trade down just based on
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: how they kind of address the quarterback position, because I
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: just it's it's hard to believe if they just have
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: like a seat warmer, they go and get like a
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: Jacoby Brissett kind of a guy that that they wouldn't
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: take a quarterback at three. You know, like if they
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: maybe make a little bit more an investment of the
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: quarterback position, that might point more towards trade down, But
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: it's hard to see them sign Jacoby Brissette and then
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: draft bon Nicks in the you know, in the second
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: if he were.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: If he were too like if they signed a guy
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: for like three years, you know, if they signed Baker
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Mayfield for three years and he'd be like.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: Oh, they could probably trade down.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of telling you that they're comfortable if he's
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: the guy for for a little.
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: While to trade down and get a Doomsday or you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: somebody lower ten and you know, and then you're looking
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: at next year. We got an extra first round pick,
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: and it'd be tough to swallow, but I think I
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: could do it if if, if it was executed correctly,
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: and the.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: Trade down, I'm starting to come around to it a
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: little bit. If you don't love the quarterbacks, don't you
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: hate yourself for it? It just six with the Giants
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: is interesting? Is if the Falcons right or at eight? Like,
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: that's also interesting. You know, if you trade down in
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: the packages that you see or usually like a Day
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: two pick this year and maybe a future first round pick,
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: and depending on how the rest of the league views
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks, that could be even more than that. The
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Patriots are are are they gonna drop? You know, Drake
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: may into this situation and be ready to go probably not.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: You know, you look at these, you know, the guys
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: that they could get in the five to ten range.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: You could walk away with Joe Alt, you could walk
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: away with Roma Dunze, You could walk away with a
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: real stud player at that spot still and have it
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: get still draft a blue chip guy and then have
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: all this amo to go out and do more afterwards.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: It's not if you execute it properly going forward, then
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: it getting all those picks is very enticing, like It's
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: not a terrible way to go about it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: I feel similarly, and I think it puts it puts
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of stress on your scouts because I think
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: the question that would need to be asked is is
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: there a guy that will be in the twenty five
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: draft comparable to Daniels or May whichever one is the
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: third guy that's that's left standing. And if you think
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: the answer to that is yes, but I think you
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: need to strongly consider that because you can add more
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: pieces and get a comparable quarterback later, you know, depending
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: on how it goes. Now, there's no guarantees because you
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: might not get the third pick, you might not be
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: in position to get the one guy you like. But
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: if you have that that out of the ammunition, you
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: should be able to get where you want to go.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: That's the other thing is you have the am and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: then you also have the amo to trade for veteran
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: players if you want to go that route too. You know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: if Brandon Nayik becomes available on the trade market, now
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: you have picks to go, and you can't trade. In
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: the Patriots current situation, it's hard to trade. You know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: Lagarious sneed Like, you're gonna trade thirty four for Lagarius Snead.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: You're gonna trade a high pick for a receiver right now?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: Probably not? But next year if you have two first
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: round picks and now you're you know, you have more
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: ammunition than me.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: But here's what okay, So let's just say that the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: scouts say that there is a comparable guy to may
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Or Daniels. Next year, you trade down. This year, you
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: have that ammunition to get there. So now you're using
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: that ammunition to get a guy that's comparable to a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: guy you could have got this year.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: Right, But then you have all the players that you
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: drafted this year.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Plus a lot of different guys that you wouldn't have gotten.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: You would it would be just May or just Daniels
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: or but the next someone may adjacent plus but Marvin Harris.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: The next year, you're going to give up whoever else
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: to get somewhere you.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Need to go. So you won't be able to pick
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: guys next year. You know, I don't know.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: That's but that's why you have the added picks to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: get where you want to go.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: That's right, you will, but but you'll lose them for
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: next year you'll have to use.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: But you'll have a better player in addition.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: To the quarter Now you said comparable, you know, so I.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Just could get good.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: No, but you'll get the better players this year.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: Right, right, But the players that you wouldn't be able
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: to get, right.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: But next year you won't be able to get those players.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: But you'll be able to get a quarterback similar to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: the one that you would have taken this year. And
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: that's all you would have gotten. So whatever it is
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: propos and I am not I'm not anti trading down,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: which is never happens to me. You have a chance
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: to get like the number six pick in the draft
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: where you can get Roma Dunza. You can't get that
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: if you just take the quarterback at three, that's correct. Yeah, right,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: And that's that's the thing that and you can get
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: the quarterback like the guy that you're gonna take at
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: three next year. In this scenario, it's again it's a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: roll of the dice. It's a lot of pressure on
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: your scouting to put you better be right that there's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: a guy that you know, it's not just Shedua Sanders.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: It's someone next year who's gonna be really good that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: people maybe don't. I don't know about it.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: I I just feel like if you're looking ahead to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: twenty five and you're you're going to be okay with
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: getting a guy who's comparable to this year, get the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: guy this year and get him now, like, let's not
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: wait another year. And I understand you get all those
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: extra picks.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: That's that's the flip side. Yeah, but that's the debate.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Get the quarterback and and you know next year we
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: don't have to give up picks to get a quarterback.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: Right, So here you feel you, Freddy.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: So here's the mock draft that I did on my
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: own time because I'm, you know, a nerd, and uh.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: This is like a supernal Yeah.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: Yea I'm gonna review it right now. So what I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: did was is I traded three to Atlanta for eight,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: forty three and a twenty twenty five first round pick.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: So with the picks, now I have eight, thirty four,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: forty three, and sixty eight all this year, it's appealing.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: And so at eight I took Joe Alt. At thirty four,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: I took Xavier.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Worthy, right, because they're all going to be there.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Well, that might be all right.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: At forty three, I took to Davian Sanders, the tight
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: end from Texas, because I love Texas guys, both Texas guys, right.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: And then in this mock draft, I at sixty eight,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: I traded it for Justin Fields. Now, you could take
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: a player at sixty eight too, But the point is
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: is that if you want to just take Justin Fields
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: out of this, because this is just this one example,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: you are now going to put a quarterback in twenty
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: twenty five into an offense and said, has Joel protecting
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: his Brian side, Xavier Worthy, Jatavian Sanders, and let's say
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: another offensive playmaker at sixty eight, whereas you're gonna take
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: Drake May and you're gonna have him throw to Kendrick
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: Bourne Pop Douglas like that. That's that's the that's the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: argument for the trade does year.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: This year he's gonna have Pop Douglas. But next year, sure.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: But this is a historic, historically good tackle and receiver class.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: So I took all tackles and receivers in the in
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: the top one hour.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: It's not in a vacuum. But you're talking about individual
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: players that won't be available next year. Now, I'm kind
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: of with you, Fred, They kind of tell me this
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: every year about the receivers. Yeah, Like, I feel like
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: next year's cropper receivers might not be as good as
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: this I don't think that's fair. It might not be
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: as good as this one, but to be comparable.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the last time that we talked about a receiver
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: class like this was the Jamar Chase here, So it
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: was way back then.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, yeah, just like, but it doesn't it
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: seem like in college more and more of these classes
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: have good receivers. Like you're getting really good receivers in
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: the second round consistently now.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: But I would say that the Jamar Chase here also
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: was at the top, right, Yeah, Jamar Chase, DeVante Smith,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: those guys at the top these but this class goes
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: through the top one hundred and twenty five picks, Like
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: you're gonna get guys on day two in this class
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: that last year would have gone on day one. You
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: know a guy like you know I mentioned I took
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: Xavier Worthy at thirty four. Xavier Worthy is the number
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: one receiver in the class last year. You know, So
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: that that's the difference in this class. The depth is
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: the difference. You know, there's guys on day two. You
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: know I'm going through them all now. You know, a
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: guy like Xavier Legette is a stud that's gonna be
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: potentially on the board for the Patriots in the third round. Like,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: there's just there's a ton of them. There's probably gonna
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: be like twenty receivers taken in the top one hundred.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Bronson in Salt Lake City. So say we take QB
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: in the first round. Seems like you guys set on
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: taking a tackle in the second round. I don't watch
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: a ton of college football, but I just I'm watching
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: the combine and a bunch of YouTube videos. If lad
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Lagette or Walker are there, do you take any of them?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: I know you aren't high on Keon and don't think
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Ad will be there at thirty four. I have no
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: idea what he's talking about. So do you take any
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: of those guys and go after a tackle in the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: third and maybe Smith or another tackle in free agency?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: My hopes are we also resigned Dugger and Mike and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: then hopefully go get someone like Ridley and Bayered And
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: do you think we have enough money to go get
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: all those guys.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: I'll just jump in and say it's I just think
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: that what Evan just laid out, the depth of the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: wide receivers is better, and once you get past like thirty,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: the tackles fall off a cliff and you're talking about
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: real developmental guys. So that's why it feels like tackle
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: in the crosshairs for that early second round pick.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the tackle class. There are some guys that you
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: can get maybe at sixty eight or even in the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: top of the fourth round that I would that are
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: are high floor. I hates using that term, but like
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: high floor players like a Roger Rosenngarten from Washington for example,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: who's their right tackle? Like I think he's going to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: be a solid NFL pro, But is he going to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: be like a stud tackle at the next level probably
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: not whereas at thirty four. That's really where it stops.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: Where this is a day one, plug and play, you know,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: don't touch him for ten years type of guy. Once
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: you get past that, you're more talking about jags. You
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: guys that you get over here.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: You talk tackle. You're talking both sides.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: Right for the most part, like there are there are.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: It does get a little bit more right tackle heavy
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: once you start to get into the thirties. Obviously, like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: the left tackles are gonna go higher, but you know
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: they're they're they're both sides. I would say, you know,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: obviously Alton Vashan who are are left tackles, and you
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: know then there's a guy like jayc. Latham from Alabama
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: who's a prot typical right tackle. So it does go
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: on both sides.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: Let's see, Alex says, does anyone else feel like Joe
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Milton gives off a Josh Allen type feel? I know
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Allen was a higher rank prospect than Milton is, but
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: they both have elite arm strength. Milton is bigger than
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: some of the tight ends in the league, running ability
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: with the similar frame, but just more athletic than Josh Allen,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: why not take a second quarterback in this draft? And
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: if they do, would you want Milton or someone else?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: I think it would be good for camp to have
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: some competition as well.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: That's what I just said. I think Milton will be
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: fun for somebody in a camp. Sure, I mean I
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: take them here, depending on how it all plays out.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: I don't know if they're down with the double dip.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: But now, I always like those guys that you know,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: have like a couple interesting traits that would be for
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: some fun in the summer, even if they're not going
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: to play during the season.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: I think Milton is interesting. He didn't play very well
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: no last year, no or really and that was college. Yeah,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: but that was his big chance. Like you know, you know,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: Hooker got hurt, you know, the year before he was done,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: So was Joe Milton's show. That was a pretty good team.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: You know, Tennessee had sort of been coming on a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: little bit, and I don't know, I I kind of
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: understand what Mike is going and I sort of put
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: myself in the Bob's discout furniture studio and I was like,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind watching this guy. Fourth quarter of a preseason.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: Complete incomplete bomb.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not a he can throw the ball a double
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: dip in the same draft though, like the whole RG
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: three Kirk Cousins thing, I think is so overblown. Ye
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: if the guy you pick, you know stuff as a
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: catastrophic knee injury. Yeah, it worked out great that you
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: had a guy that you picked and he turned out
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: to be pretty good in the fourth round. But otherwise
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: I think it kind of represents a wasted pick.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: I would say Joe Milton is more Anthony Richardson than
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: he is Josh Allen. I think Josh Allen is it
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: a different stratosphere as a prospect coming out than Joe
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: Milton was. But I look at Joe Milton as like
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: a discount brand, store brand version of Anthony Richardson, say
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: measurable's arm strength, all that kind of It's.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: Funny you brought up Richardson to watch in NFL Network
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: and they have like these free agent showcase games and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: they're doing one for Jacksonville right now with Calvin Ridley
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: but Richardson playing, and it's just like, I just don't
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: feel like you got a real sense of right.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: If I was the coat, if I was the Cults,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: I would take Joe Milton in the third on day three,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: because you have two guys. It's literally there. To me,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: they're carbon copies of each other. Just Joe Milton's not
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: quite as polished as Anthony Richardson is, and Richardson gets
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: hurt again and you have the same exact quarterback backing
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: them up.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Anakin from tatooin, right.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: I hate I hate.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: That his email is Darth skeptical, so I don't know
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to give his real name. But anyway,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: isn't it a bit disingenuous to say JJ sailed throws
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: in the combine when the wide receiver he was paired
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: with ran the wrong routes. In those instances, the wide
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: receiver never made it to the cones. You would see
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: what I mean, yea, for those out routes. Few quarterbacks
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: overthrew on the deep passes, but that's expected. I would
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: give JJ a chance.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying I wouldn't, but I just I've never
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: seen a performance so grossly change based on what your
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: I see and what people are telling you what actually happened,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: then this one.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: I would say that I would give JJ McCarthy the
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: benefit of the doubt if he doesn't do the exact
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: same thing on film, like literally.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: Like if a guy doesn't get to the cone like
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: sailing it is, wouldn't have mattered, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Like I saw the passes and they were like, you know,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: six seven feet over his head.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna pretend to know that that who
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: you know, who was at fault or if they're you know,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: But I just he looks to me like a guy
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: who puts an awful lot into every throw. And when
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: guys do that, you tend to overthrow the ball a
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: lot because you compensate, You overcompensate.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't mean I'm right. I'm no way expert.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: I'm just that's what I see if.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: You see it all on his film of him throwing
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: the ball ten yards over guy's head, mostly to his left.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: But like I if he tries to throw it out
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: like a ten yard out, it's good luck, like it
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: of where it's going, you know.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: That's the way.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: So when he throws guy overthrows guys at the combine,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: it's like, am I gonna give him the benefit of
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: the doubt when he just I could watch him do
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: it fifty times the same exact way at Michigan.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Tom in Somerville. Why are you also quick to dismiss
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Chris Simms rankings.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: I'm not. I just I want to stay for the record.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: I don't dismiss quarterbacks. Know a lot more about this
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: stuff than I.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Did you just look at the list or did you
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: listen to his explanations? I do not watch films, so
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: if excuse me, if I defer to people who do
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: watch film like Evan and Sims. Sims track record has
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: more hits than missus. No one is perfect in player evaluations.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: I challenge Evan to take a few minutes to look
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: at sims analysis of the quarterback in detail where he disagrees,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: rather than just completely dismissing his opinions.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: I don't completely dismiss his opinions. I just think he's wrong,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: and I have an opinion like he has an opinion.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, he can have an opinion. I just think
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: that when you, you know, looked at the twenty twenty
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: one quarterback class and you put Zach Wilson as the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: best quarterback in that class over Trevor Lawrence, I gonna
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: be a little bit skeptical that every you know now
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: I'm supposed to believe you.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: And it's just consistent with him. It's just that he
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: always has something like what Yeah, always that guy. He
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: always is, no matter what, even when it goes back.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: To the guy that for years told you that Brady
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: wasn't that good, right, And that's so.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: And in twenty one he also had uh Kellen Mond
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: rated higher than justin fields coming out of college.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: So it's just I get it.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: Everybody has their own opinions, everybody is entitled to them.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: But I'm just you gotta have some sort of a
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: track record for me to start to trust you. I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: think you had one good class.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: And I don't dismiss him. I don't dismiss any I
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: try to use it all like I don't. I'm not
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: an I'm not a scout. I'm not a personnel guy.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: It's not what I do for a living. I try
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: to watch a little of these guys, and then I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: try to listen to how they have talked about by
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: guys that did play and guys that do make these decisions.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah is a guy who has been in personnel departments.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: I do listen to him a little bit.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: Me too, I value his opinion that I think.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: I think all of these things are part like of
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: you know, like Bill used to say, the mosaic when
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: you put it all together. I don't just say Chris
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: Sims is the guy, like, No, I don't. I don't
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: think he can do that. I just think it's interesting
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: to see how one guy thinks so differently than another guy.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: Jeremiah is the best.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, real quick along those lines a little uh.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: You know, we're doing this Patriots Draft Countdown podcast. Now
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: we've kind of taken those positional previews and put them
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: into that. And yeah, we lined up Daniel Jeremiah today
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: to talk to us, so that'll be those will be
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: coming starting next week on Wednesday, so we'll be pumping
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: those out. So yeah, looking forward to talk to him.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Brandon and Pennsylvania wants our opinion on the possibility of
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: let's say we draft a quarterback in the first round
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: and we keep Mac Jones and Mac Jones outperforms this
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: quarterback then also plays better. What happens then that's bad?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Do we play back or play the first.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: Round quarter I think you got to get rid of
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: Mac if you're going to do the jurch I mean,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: there's a couple of reasons you should get rid of them.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: But I will play along because I like to play.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: I like to play.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: I think you'd play Mac. But I don't think there's
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: any chance that Mac Jones is a Patriot come training camp.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't do that.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: But if he plays better than the guy, I think
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: then you you wait till the guy's ready, Yeah, because
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: that means the other guy's playing really bad. Sorry, I've
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: seen Mac Jones.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: Fit yeah, and and like to your point, Paul, like,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: what's worse is it? I mean, just generally speaking, that
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 6: you go sign Jacoby Brissett and you pay him new
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: money to be that guy, or that Mac actually turns
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: it around and now you're already paying him on a
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: rookie deal. This isn't new money at.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: I think he's talking about with a rookie No, I know.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: But then like if he mean or like, you're not
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: going out and now we're drafting a guy and and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: spending guy. You know, you're not spending on the free
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: agent anymore. You're using Mac as the bridge, but you
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: already have on the roster.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: So in all fairness, just to Mac, you got to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: get rid of them, Like, if you're Max's agent, like
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: you should.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: Be out there saying that they would have seven Super
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: Bowls by now.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: I'd be very surprised if if they're not working with
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: that right now, Yeah, and trying to figure out what
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: makes sense now they might wait till free agency to
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: see if they actually can land us. Yeah, because you
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: could say Jacoby Brissett, Well Gardner Minshew somewhere else doesn't
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: mean you're gonna get them.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: I mean I.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Feel for the kid, and I think the Patriots should
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: just do him a solid and whatever you want to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: give me, I'll take. Don't hold out for fourth if
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: someone's giving you a seventh or whatever, just just move them.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: What fourth I'm saying, like first round, don't hold out
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: for that is what I'm saying.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: Two ones. I wouldn't trade Jimmy Garoppolo for four number one.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: The conversation though about should the quarterbacks start right away
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: if they draft a guy. I didn't realize like how
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: people have opinions on that.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: It's a very polarizing opinions on it. He wrote a
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: book about it.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, very polarizing topic, which I surprises me. I just
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: for me, I just if he's ready, he's ready, Like,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: I'm not going into it with the plan of we
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: are definitely sitting this guy for the whole year.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: Bill, I don't know how many did you have any
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: as an assistant?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know what was his boat named four rings?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: Andy Reid.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: Astant coach, but he just named his boat.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: Who gets worked up about what someone.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: Named their boat?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: Like fulger?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: Have you met.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: Tayshawn and Connecticut says rumor that the Saints are going
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: to release Michael Thomas, would you pick him up?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: You know, like slamp boy, banged.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: Up, banged up.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: I'm all side too, Okay, we gotta we gotta be
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: in a higher tax bracket than than Michael Thomas. Like
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: we've had enough Michael Thomas's roll through here.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: Christian, Michael Thomas, Michael Jenkins wasn't Christian?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: In North Carolina says in defense for all the people
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: in North Carolina speaking about Drake May, I don't think
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: it has anything to do with us being fans, as
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: I specifically don't even root for uh North Carolina, but
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: I watch any and all college games and watch prospects
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: that are important to the Patriots. I'm just not in
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: love with his game. Everyone fantasizes about his being Josh Allen.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: There was only one Josh Allen. I believe the film
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: that Daniels Caleb in Pennix has shows they can be
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: starred as in the NFL and not just projections.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: I hear that a little bit because I mean, Evan,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: you know, laid out my draft process, which is pretty funny.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: But you know, as I've watched, like you know, we've
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: kind of settled, like I feel like I've settled on
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: Drake May right now, and then I'm now, like, you know,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: watching some more Drake May, and it's like you realize,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: like he's not perfect, like he has some holes, like
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: they could he could be a miss like and you
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: just you get I think once you attach yourself to
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: a prospect, you just start to get those blinders and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: you don't want to hear about the bad stuff, and
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: you don't want to hear about what might not work out,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: and you know it's he certainly has those things, certainly.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: But I do not think that Drake May is a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: projection anymore so than anybody else. Drake May did these
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: things in college. Now, maybe you at the email or
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: didn't like him, and that's fine to each to each
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: his own. But JJ McCarthy had games, we didn't throw
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: the ball ten times. That's a projection. I've never seen
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: him put the offense on his back and have to
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: do everything for the tap. I've seen Drake May do that. Now,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: maybe to you a point, he doesn't do it well enough.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: But don't tell me that Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: did stuff that Drake made it. They've they've had to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: be the centerpieces of their teams in some cases for
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: multiple years. JJ McCarthy didn't have to do that. That's
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: a projection.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I always find it fascinating. And Caleb,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: I feel like has rightfully so avoided this a little bit.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: But if j if Drake May's twenty twenty two tape
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: was his most recent tape, then this would not even
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: be a conversation because.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: In twenty two that worries me. He was outstanding because
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: he had better talent around him and told a little
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: bit like he had Josh Downs, which was big, But
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: that worries me. I remember in twenty two as watching
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: Josh Downs, and obviously Texan Barth was like Josh Down's.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: Good, Who the heck is this quarterback?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: And that's when he tells me his autobiography of Drake
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: May and and.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: Up the shot.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: I gets to go along with you from all angles.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: But but my point is is that in twenty two,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: you know, he was outstanding, just like Caleb been twenty
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: two to one Heisman, and then they both kind of
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: took a little bit of a step back this past
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: year and Jaden was out outstanding and won the Heisman.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: So it just it depends on almost like what order
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: you watch things in. So I, you know, I've been
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: like enthralled a little bit with Drake May full disclosure
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: since the twenty twenty two season and being you know,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: watching him, you know, tear up Clemson in twenty twenty
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: two and be like, who the heck is this guy?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: My concern with Drake May is consistency and mechanics and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. And he might be a bust,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: but it's not about I've never seen him do it.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: It's not a projection for me.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's why I keep saying he's worth missing on.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: He's worth missing at three on. There's just if you
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: miss on him at three, you get you that happens.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: None of these guys are a fool proof. That's why
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: I get annoyed when well, just to you know, take
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Joe Walt. That's the safe pick. Like if there was
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: such a thing, everybody would take the safe guys and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: make sure they've got a good player with their first pick.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: None of these guys is a sure thing.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: Speaking of that, Mike says, Mike, continue to be the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: uncle we all deserve. But I want to bring attention
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: to the fact that NFL teams always extend or resign
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: average or better offensive tackles. Every tackle that ever hits
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: free agency has a consensus injury that makes them available
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: or is at the age thirty or over. The Patriots'
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: best move is to trade down draft to tackle and
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: pray that they hit a tackle that can block. I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: know not every draft pick works, but the Patriots don't
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: have a functional offensive tackle on the roster after that.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: I don't care what the Pats pick, but they have
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: to take a chance on the one position. And he
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: says it's offensive tackle that no team will ever make available.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: That's fair.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 6: I like what he wrote, and I think the wide
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: receivers are getting like that too, right, Like the teams
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: are now, like these guys aren't hitting free agencies. We've
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: talked about numerous times, and you're always trying to draw
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 6: the diagram up of how to get one of these guys,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: and it's it's the same thing with tackles. It's a
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: it's a good email.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: No, That's why the trade down scenario I brought up
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: earlier is that's the scenario is Joe alt or Romadounza
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: or neighbors and tackles receiver, tackle receiver, tackle receiver in
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: the top one hundred and then you just got these
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: guys to then build for the next five years.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: Or it's like Trent Brown who has issues, you know,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: has has like some real questions with him, even though
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: he has talent.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: Size Jeff in Canada, he says it's a good day
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: to email with no phones. There was a report he's
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: got that in quote and we use that word lightly
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: last week that James Daniels was at the top of
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick's draft board before he left the building. Do
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: you believe it? And if so, who do you think
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: put the that word out there?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: Well, there's a very uh, there's a picture of Bill's
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: standing with Jaden Daniels at LSU's Pro day last year
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: and they spend a significant amount of time talking for
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: whatever it's worth. So I I honestly think that that's
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: where this is all stemming from, is that he took
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: a liking to him at the pro day last year.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: And so then you connect the dots.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: Like, can I ask the stupid question, does Bill Belichick
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: have a draft board? Like like is this something that
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: like he would be thinking about ahead of time? Like
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: part of me feels like like he he already is.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know about a board. But if Evans, like
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: at that pro day when he spent all that time
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: with Jayden Daniels, he has in his mind, this is
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: the best quarterback in the draft, right yeah? Yeah that
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: now he might he might be saying to himself, Yeah,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: be a good third round pick, because that's what quarterbacks
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: mean to me.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: That's that at the time, he was a third round.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: Right, That's that's possible. Like this, Evan just stole it,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: but that's how he thought. Like everybody else is going
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: to be all over the guys that you know right
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: that are going to go number one in the draft.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: I'm going to beat the system and get this guy
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: in the third round because they don't matter. It's all
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: about me. But that's how Bill thought.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: But then he elevates the first overall and.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: Too much. It shines off no longer interested. I'm just
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: gonna be the second pick of the draft out.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: Does he have a relationship with Brian Kelly because that
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: was something that I also like, They're like finally, I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: mean he Brian Kelly's from around here, So so maybe
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: I wonder if Brian Kelly was like a stretch that
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: this this Jayden Daniels kid that we have here is
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: gonna be ridiculous.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: Like he would say it with a Southern accent.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: Maybe maybe he's gonna be ridiculus.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: Maybe you should, maybe you should, you know, chat with
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: him a little bit and see, you know what happens.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe Uh, Jeff has a second question. Do you think
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: that given the right situation, Mac Jones could have a
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: decent three to five years in the league ahead of him?
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: If yes, would that bother you that the Patriots couldn't
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: get that out of him.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna say, no, bother you. If he had, I say,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: it would bother me, and it would. It wouldn't just
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: bother me. That that that that they didn't see it,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: but that I didn't see it because I don't.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: I don't see it.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: Keyword there is decent.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: Well, just I assume that he means like he could
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: be a someone started for the next three to five years,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: A decent Would that bother you? No, it would bother me.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Really bother me.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: I mean that you didn't get you didn't get the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: most out of him. I don't think he's a starting
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: level quarterback. I don't.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's any doubt that we did
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: him dirty and that he's that would bother me. He's
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: not as good as we hope. But he's not as
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: bad as he looked.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: But like when you're saying decent, you're saying like middle tier. Yeah,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: like the middle twelve Derek Carr. Yeah, that would bother me. Yeah,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: he's as good as Derek Carr. Me too, But it
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: would bother me because great cop though, yeah great?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: But I remember when we like Okay, so let's go
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: back to that draft. If you said, at number ten,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: what was he, fifteen fifteen, you're gonna get Derek Carr,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: would you have been okay? Oh?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have been would have been. But I
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: like Derek Carr. I think a lot of people don't,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: so we'll go to my shows. Now he sucks, Well,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: it's just he blows mine.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: Derek Carr was like a viable starting quarterback for like
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: a decade in the NFL.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: But like he I think he's he's never been a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: star and absolutely right, but he's better than decent.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: But yes, but no one ever said Derek Carr can
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: take it to a super Bowl. That's who I'm looking for.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: Seventeen people were saying I wouldn't necessarily at fifteen, Like, yes,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: with the third overall pick, you're looking for the guy
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: that can drive the engine to the super Bowl. But
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: at fifteen you're already in that next tier of prospect
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: most likely. I mean most teams have like eighteen first
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: round grade, so you're already into a you know, a
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: guy that's a little bit lower. But I'd be more
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: frustrated about it because of the Patriots wrongdoing. It's like
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: anything against it bothered me. You know, We've been saying
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: it all in this show. For from what I have.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: Said about that, I don't need him to be decent
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: for me to prove to me that the Patriots had wrongdoing.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: But the thing, that's what I'm saying. I think the
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: Patriots contributed to his demise, yes, but I don't think
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: he was anything. If it turns out that the Patriots
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: contributed to his demise and he was something that would
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: bother me, yes, And that's what the guy is saying.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: He's going to be a serviceable NFL quarterback for three
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: to five years.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: Like it bothers me that, you know, we didn't get
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: a chance to see.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would bug them.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: They screwed him. Yeah, now he could be he could
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: amount to nothing and so what. But still regardless, they
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: mishandled it. They mishandled.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: But like you said, done dirty. And that's a common
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: refrain about mac and I totally agree with the Matt
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: Patricia of it all. But like there's certainly a line
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: like it's never easy for a quarterback, and like even
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 6: in the worst of circumstances, you see some kind of
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: nugget of perseverance, of ability to lead, of ability to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: rally the guys around him, And that's what was devoid
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: Bill O'Brien.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: I personally think it will end up being one of
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: the best things that happened to him, because no one
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: will ever say that, poor guy, he just got overdrafted.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: He sucked.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: I would say that poor guy, they saddled him with
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: But it's not even just the Matt Patricia of it all.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: They didn't surround him with any talent.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was terrible, but I went on a
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: rant a few weeks ago about he's got to go
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: regardless because not of how he played, but all the
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: leadership stuff and all that other stuff, you know, led
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: to his demise.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: He was like Elliot Wolf would have.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, do you but do you think that do
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: you think that Derek Carr would have looked as bad
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: in this offense last year as Mac Jones?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: No?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: No, But I think Derek Carr's a veteran quarterback that
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: has been around the block for a while. I think
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: that the Matt Patricia thing, we've beaten that enough. But like,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: how many times did all of us sit here and say,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: you gotta go get Mac a number one wide receiver.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: You gotta go get Mac, you know, a stud on
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: the outside that he can throw Pat like, they never
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: surrounded him with any talent, Not to mention the offensive
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: line just decayed from the inside out as well. So
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: like you're talking about a guy that just really from
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: all angles, they just gave no chance like that. We
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: used to laugh at teams that used to do with
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: the way that Patriots did it.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know this is an absurd hypothesis, but
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: let's say that Tom Brady was drafted at fifteen and
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: he came onto a similar team that Mac Jones, and
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: they treated him the same way. No talent. It three
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: coordinators and three years it's been better. There's no doubt
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: he because he's Tom Brady, but he would have been
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: so pissed that his emotions might have gotten he might
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: have like demanded a trade after two years. Yeah, like
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: you know, it was a bad situation.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: It's a hard time.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a hard confident, you know with Brady and
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: I just yeah, but you know, and even when you
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: do have those number ones, there are gonna be games
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: where that guy's hurt and you gotta find a way.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: And it's just like, and I get what Evan's saying,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: and you know, he's right. They should have given him
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: more surrounded him, but there were still some NFL players
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: around him, and there just was never.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: Even that who was the NFL player.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: But like Hunter.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: Henry's fine, Like I mean, they're fine, but he just
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: did nothing.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: He did nothing just twenty one.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: He didn't do nothing like he did twenty one. He
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: he had some people around him, right, The offensive line
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: wasn't a complete mess. He had he had Hunter Henry,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: he had Jakobe and they made the playoffs like it
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: just they took the rule book of like how to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: the script of how to develop a young quarterback and
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: they did all the total opposites. They they changed the
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: coordinators on him. They never got And I'm not talking
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: about like in the defensive mac. I'm saying when they
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: if they draft Drake May and they just do the
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: same thing again, they're gonna ruin another one. And that's
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: why Bill's not here anymore, is because they were worried
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: that he was just gonna do the same thing.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, I listen to players, you know, like we
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: think that players are just in their own little bubble
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: and they don't care about anything else but themselves. But
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: Matt Judon yesterday said, you know, the guys, if he's
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: here next year, he's gonna have four coordinators in four years,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Like he's a defensive guy. Who's even thinking about that stuff?
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I think Mac. I think Mac can
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: be a quality just a backup that you that you
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: kind of feel like. I think he could maybe win
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: a game for us, But I just don't think he's
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: the guy that you're gonna I agree.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: I agree to, And I'm like the frustration with me
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: is more about like the personnel side of things. Like
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: they had they had him on a rookie contract, they
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: had assets to go out and say, you know, we're
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: gonna get these guys around him, and they just never did, and.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: They explicit he said it too.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: And how this started is, you know, was the email.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm already bothered. I don't need him to be
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: a decent quarterback for what they did to bother me.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: It already bothers me.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: It won't bother It won't bother me if he doesn't
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: do anything.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: I hope the best for him. I hope he becomes
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: a decent quarterback, you know, as a human being.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, do you hope Zach Wilson does?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: They do, don't.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: I don't really care as much about him because he
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: wasn't on this team but.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: At least at least wil I don't know human being cares,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: but I don't wish you like.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't do well.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm not saying. I'm not saying I hope
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: he does poor for my own benefits, and I don't care.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: There's a difference between wanting him. You said it would
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: it would bother me as a Pats fan if he
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: goes somewhere else and shows that it was our fault,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: but there wasn't. Just I think both of these things
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: can be true. Everything Evan said is true. I think
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: he guy can't like if Tom Brady, which by the way,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: inherited a very similar situation in all one, I don't
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: think this would have looked like that if Tom Brady
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: was the guy in the draft that you but in
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: your hypothetical difference though.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: The difference though, and it's why I included it, that
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: are if he had been drafted in the first round
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: of fifteen, there'd been more expectations.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: At him, and I would say, two friends to your point,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: if Mac did, I would I would be upset that
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: the Patriots missed on him, couldn't There would be a
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: part of me that felt happy for Mac because they
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 6: know he's a good kid. You know, I like all
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: this back. Yeah, he's a pretty I think he's a pretty.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: Good the way he acts. Think you're pretty sure that
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: he's a good kid.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 6: I mean he's is he immature?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: Is he? Yeah? A little bit?
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: He's baby. Yeah years, you're a good kid.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 6: Twenty four years.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: I just a bad kid.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: I just wish that there was a world just from
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: like the Patriots side of things, right where they take
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: twenty one, McDaniel stays, they go into twenty twenty two
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: and whether it's Taekwon Thornton's actually good, or instead of
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: trading for Devonte Parker they actually traded for a real receiver,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: or whatever the case may be, at least would have
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: given Mac a fair shake of Okay, maybe he does
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: just suck and it doesn't work out, or maybe it
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: does work out and we're not in this position.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: I'll take it another place. If they decide, you know what,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: two years we've seen enough of Taekwon Thornton and he
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: goes somewhere else and becomes like a seventy catch guy.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: That'll bother me too. I don't think just like Mac Jones,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: I don't think that will happen for Taekwon Thornton. I
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: think saying that was our fault, not his. He had
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: the ability, we didn't get it out of him. That
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: would bother me.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: Poor kid, somebody's son Paul self destructed.
• 1:33:37
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• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: Because I'm a big fan of coffee tables.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: I don't mind coffee tables, but yeah, I'm kind of
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: with friend on this. How does one become cozy?
• 1:34:12
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• 1:34:18
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• 1:34:19
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• 1:34:22
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• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: the sequel.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: So the pilot was on the other day Freddy Oh,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: Seinfel pilot doesn't like the stand up.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: Well that first year of seinfeldt wasn't that great. No,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: it's the stand up take it from somebody who knows.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will, I like Curb better. Is that like
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: some people think that's a hot take. Some people don't.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: Well, Curb could do things that Seinfeld couldn't because.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: I just think it's a funnier show.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: I think the interesting about Curb was like you saw
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: the influence of Larry David on Sign. Oh yeah, you
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: never really realized.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: Have you seen that episode when when they like everybody's
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: telling him that he's George yeah, oh yeah, and and
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: he's just like, I'm not George, I'm not George, just like, no,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: you're definitely Georgia.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Uh David and Bethlehem. I loved Evan's comment about Sims.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: You can have an opinion. Anyone can have an opinion.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: His emphasis made opinions sound like a skin condition which
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: needed medical intervention before Sims could kiss anyone.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: Speaking of which, I went to the dermatologists today. I'm
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: good everybody, so don't worry about me. I was very
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 6: I didn't know you had It's a mole and I
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: just got I got some moles.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: You gotta get check.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: You get your moles checked out. Thanks for sharing, But
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: I was I said to the lady. She was like,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: you know, I have used the dermatolois. She was like,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: you know, did you ever get like sunburn, like blistered
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: or anything like that? And I said, well, I was
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: a middle school fact kid who never took his t
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 6: shirt off. And now I see that as like a
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: strength because I always was covered up when I was little.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 6: But I probably got burned a couple of times, like
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: in Mexico and college. You know you're drinking, you pass
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: out on the beach, you get Was that what she
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: was talking about, like, I don't know. I was just
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: giving her the whole I'm getting. I'm still I'm lying there,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: button naked on the thing.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: We're trying to make conversation, but maybe do you mind
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: if I checked the button, give a little bit, you
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: get the full check. That's a slap, but don't ignore
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: your dermatologists. Folks make sure you sign up there for.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: I'm very glad we got that story in.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: It all comes back to Seinfeld. Remember he was dating
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: the dermatologist and he called her, you know, you're just
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: a pimple pusher. And then somebody in the restaurant says,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: she saved my life. That skin cancer. He's like skin cancer, Mike,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: and Charlotte says, if Mac was done dirty, then why
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: did they win eight games with Patricia and only four
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: with Billy? Oh was basically the same team.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: I think he was never basically the same team.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: I think he was never very good and it just
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: didn't work out. Like a lot of high drafted quarterbacks.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, it wasn't basically the same team. But if
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: that's what we want to say, we can say.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: That definitely weren't the same opponents, which to me is
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: the more that too.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh Alec and Berlin dark. Mike giving Hot takes
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: on the Patriots not keeping their players, But that was
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: the old You have to check all of that out
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: the window, Mike. It's a new era in Foxborough. And
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: to that point, Duggar, as you know, is the subject
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: of a transition tag. Yes we do. Oh, we do
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: know that I'm not sure we're talking about it at
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the show.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I feel like I initially coming into
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: off season was kind of like I don't I mean,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: I was just kind of so depressed with the roster
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: that I just was in that phase of like just
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: let everybody go out. But you know, I just I
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: think the bigger point though, is just even though guys
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: have some wortz and they might not be perfect, they're
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: your guys and you've you've put time into them. And
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: and I think both those guys, especially off the field
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: as well, you know, have the traits you want to
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: keep around and you want to build around. So when
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: you have this much cap space and you're not making
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 6: tough decisions, you know, I think that's just it's almost
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: more to me about this message it sends to the team,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: and that's why, you know, I think to the transition
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: tag earlier, it is a little bit like not ideal.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, ideally you'd love to say, hey, we're gonna
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: roll Big Mike and Kyle Duggar out same day, same table.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: They both signed contracts, and this is you know, this
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: is how things are gonna get done around here. But
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: you know we'll see. I mean, look, we're gonna learn
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: a lot in the.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: Next four days, zaying in New Jersey, if Mac Jones
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: was actually good, then Bailey ZAPPI wouldn't have played in
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: the exact situation as Mac and performed as well or better.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: I was off the Mac train when he continuously made
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: dirty plays to opposing teams.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: That's fine. I just for the record, I am not
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: saying that Mac Jones is good. I am just saying
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: that they.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: Hypothetical that the emailer brought into this whole discussion, like
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: think both things can be true.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: Mac might not doesn't have it, and they butchered the
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: situation like that, that's all we're saying.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: Well, I think they I still think they could have
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: pulled a little bit more out of Mac, you know,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: like it's not I I don't know they could have
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: done one.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: You mentioned the free agents though, and their own free agents.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: Mike on winnho I think is a really is kind
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: of a tough one for me because scheme fit. I
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: think he's a guard, like I don't think. I don't
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: think he's a tackle, and the scheme fits great, and
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: he's gonna be a top of the market Guard. You're
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: gonna be paying him fifteen sixteen, seventeen million dollars a year,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: and I just I mean, you don't have to tell
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: Paul that we don't have to pay guards seventeen million
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: dollars a year.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, but I do recognize you guys have been talking
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: about this for a long time, both of you and
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: I do recognize that your situation on the offensive line.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: I like to diminish the importance of the offensive line
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean you can have no proven commodities on the
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: offensive line. David Andrews, I think is back in the middle.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: The rest to me, without a when you is really
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: hard to project and it's a question mark. So I
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: get it. You don't want to spend money on a WHENU,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: but you might have to.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you'd love it if if it was like Cold
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: Strange City Show and Antonio Maffi, you know, rises up
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: and you've got a good trio that you know you
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: can make it work. It doesn't have to be elite.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: Can two out of those three be very you know?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: So Mafi and Jake.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: Andrews next to Andrew, Can you get.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: Two out of those three to be good players?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: I think I think City is a serviceable game. He
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: was definitely the best of those three lines, especially as
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: a run blocker, and we'll see how the pass blocking progresses.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: But their best interior line next year to me is
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: is you know City David Andrews Big Mic, you know,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: left to right, and i'd where that leaves cold strange,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: I frankly don't care, but I just you're paying Big
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: Mic a lot of money that either way, and he's not.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're paying him a lot of money
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: to play tackle. So that's just something you have to
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: talk about.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: It's going to be interesting to see how they viewed
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: strange and like what what what that all is like
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: because I mean, as Paul said, I mean our opinion
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: of that pick and and he certainly. I mean, I
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: know we had a few good games last year and
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 6: maybe starting to show a little bit. But it's just
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: be interesting if they're just like nope and they just
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: cut them, you know, something like that, where it's like, wow,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: it really was as bad as it.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: Kind of seemed with him well, and plus you know,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: now with the new regime, there's no like I don't
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: want to say loyalty, yeah right.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: Exactly, Yeah, you know, they don't feel tied to him anymore.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, there is still still bad the guys that
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: draft of them here, the coach, they didn't want.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: Him, you know, I think, Mac, why do you know something?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: I was going to make faces or do you know something?
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: I just can't. I just can't go there. I can't
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: put it all on. Like, I know, Bill had the
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: final say, and he's responsible for picking guys, but I
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: just can't say that everyone that's bad nobody else wanted them.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: And I can't believe like Bill had final say, ultimately
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: he's responsible. And I asked me why the last ten
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: years drafted be like and I will say Bill Belichick
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: did not do it.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: And I can't believe in this instance that people who
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: spent the whole year watching film of college players decided
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: to take a guard from Chattanooga, Tennessee in the first round.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: I can't believe that that's a Bill pick.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, then he should be cut.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: Then he was Oh you mean col Strange.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if everybody else hated him and he played the
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: way he did in the two years, I expect him
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: to be out of a job.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Bill, probably we need a guard. We need
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: a guard. We need a guard. You know. I like
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: this kid. He's you know, blah blah blah, smart kid.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: God owned in mobile. But I saw something different, you know.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: Ayah, listen, I can't tell you you're wrong. I don't
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: know what the true story is. You might be right,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: you might be right.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: My favorite part about the Cold Strange pick now is
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: like the Bilbos have come out and decided that he's
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: actually good at football. Like Cold Strange is.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: That he's just this happened after his rookie year. Oh,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: he's a quality guard after Bill Belichick, who evidently is
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: the only one in the in the the six one
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: seven area code who had any belief in him. But
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: he might bench them three times in his rookie year.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: And everybody told me in the off season that I
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: was wrong for saying that he had a bad.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: He might end up being here decent, but you didn't
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: have to take him in the first round.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: Oh I, that's a different argument. I'm totally with you
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: on that.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 6: It's like talking about but he.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: Wasn't good first round, fifth round, He got benched three
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: times his rookie year.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: The point is is that the guy that they drafted
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: in the fourth roundelast year in City, so has already
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: put better film out than the first round.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: Picked it like.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: He's so he's already better, Like he's an already better player.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: It's why it was a dereliction of duty to draft
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: him in the like again, third round, fourth round, okay,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: but the.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: First round, especially with where the on that like, I
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: mean it's I mean, not to go too far back,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: but I mean those drafts were just so critical.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just he had to hit on all
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: those for this to like keep the train rolling. Again,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: he didn't, and that's.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: What's the first two And the people that like talk
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: about Elliott Wolf as an executive and how he might draft.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is is with Bill that
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: he ran into problems is that he would just fall
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: in love with these guys for whatever reason, you know,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: whether it was football related, the interview process, whatever, that
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: he didn't care that everybody else had him in the
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: third round because he really liked that guy. And with
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: with Wolf, what you hear is is like he's gonna
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: shop at Louis Vuitton, Like he's not going to go
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: and get the knockoff brand. He's gonna get the best athletes,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: and like that's why I think they drafted Christian Gonzales
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: last year.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. To him, the value is in the talent, not
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: yeah anything else.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: Right, Bill, It was so much about you know, what's
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: your role, what's your fit in my system? What kind
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: of guy are you? And like those things are all important,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, if you don't
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: have the talent, then you're not gonna make it.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: Otto is on the keep Mac Jones train. He says,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: we need to keep them, draft Marvin Harrison. Then based
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: off what Judin said, try and get Josh Jacobs and
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley or Judy or Sutton, or if we can
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: trade for Ayuk and then take a quarterback second round,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: either Pennix or bow Knicks. And if Mac can't do it,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: then we have Nix or Pennix. And he has a
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: scenario the QBS Mac. The running backs are Josh Jacob
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: and Stevenson. The wide receivers of Marvin Harrison and Junior
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: Ridley and Douglas. The tight end is Kasiki. He said,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: that's way better than what Mac headley. What else Douglas
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: and Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: You need a quarterback that that you'd have the makings
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: of an offense. You need a quarterback, that's all.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he thinks it could be Mac but he
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be good. That's his opinion.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: Those guys are too good for his talent. I'm dead
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: serious that he wouldn't be able to maximize Harrison and Ridley.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 6: Do you think that that the Patriots are going to
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: make a splat? No, I don't want to call a spot.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 6: Do you think they're going to sign a name free
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 6: agent running back next week like one of these guys
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 6: Tony Pollard, Eckler Singletary.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: I think it was like Zeke was technically that right,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: So I think it's possible.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, I would say to Mike's question, that would
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: not apply. Like the last one standing when we're desperate
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: in training camp doesn't apply to it. Dalvin Cook has
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: just got a big name too, same thing. But you're
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: saying I did holler Jacobs, Barkley, Yeah, like yeah, Eckler, Yeah,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: I mean the usually guys, all those guys are free agents.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean usually we're all on the same page
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: as just draft him, let him.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: You know, Normally I would say absolutely no chance, but
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: this is a new regime, so I don't know. I
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: That could be mini Patriots news. Alex Austin officially on
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: the exclusive rights free attack.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: It's the guy that I was credited with saying wasn't
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: an NFL player, and it took me ten minutes to
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: realize after you said that was Alex Austin. Alex Austen.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know enough about Alex Austin to say he's
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: good or not.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: And I would say encouraging down the stretch because I'm
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: the one I had to pick correct right encouraging film
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: down the streach. But a nice pick on Josh Allen
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: late in the first half of the Buffalo game. Very nice.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: Darren is still trap. Darren is Saint Stephen, New Brunswick, Canada.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: For Evan, You and Alex recommended the Patriots keep it
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: simple Okham's razor, although Oukham never used these words exactly.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: Many agree with that's Alex thing. I have no idea
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: what that.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: Meansities must not be necessity. Perhaps an intangible carries as
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: much weight as raw talent. I've always felt that the
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: winning Patriot teams were overachievers, often playing above their talent
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: due to what I refer to as the human factor.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: The human factor is intangible and can't be parsed out.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: Tapping into this potential has been done in the past
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: by those who inspire Slater, Jules Gronk, Brady, et cetera,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: who in the draft has given you that same feeling. Wow,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: that's a long way to grant us House the opposite
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: of Okham's razor. Anyway, go ahead.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: I would just say that I once was of the
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: same belief that those Patriots teams were what he just
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: said in hindsight, I think that was Patriots teams were
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: loaded with talent, you know, like I.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: Think because you could see the difference, right, But I mean,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: I think you're also grossly underestimating Tom Brady. You're right.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, you know, a guy, you know, to
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: say that the twenty ten's Patriots were like the little
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: engine that could, I think is not a fair characterization.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: But in terms of the guys that do that in
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 5: this draft, I don't know. I I think a guy
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: like Penix honestly is sort of like that to me,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: where you know, just the intangible as the leadership, the
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: ability to bounce back from the injuries like that guy
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: could have easily just fallen by the way part. Yeah,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: those injuries, and I think that that's the most encouraging
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: thing about him.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think that when you put Brady in
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: that like scrappy overachiever thing, just because he was the
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: one hundred and ninety ninth pick of the draft doesn't
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: mean that he's not the greatest player he's ever played. Right,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: like this, we were wrong, like he had a lot
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: more ability than anybody. It gave him credit for.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: Anthony writes in he says, both things are true. Mac
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: is not good and the team did everything they could
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: to ruin him.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: My question is I could kiss that guy in the lips.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: Do you think the team thought Mac was better and
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: could win with what was given, or that they were
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: just too out of touch with developing a young quarterback
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: in today's league and bungled it be both.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: I think that they were too out of touch with
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: building a roster around the young quarterback. I don't necessarily
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: think that they did it is such something that they
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: did so wrong with Mac specifically. I just think that,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: you know, you looked at all these success stories for
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: these quarterbacks, and all these teams were doing it a
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: certain way when that quarterback was cheap and the Patriots
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: just didn't do any of those things.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: Like here's where I will put it on Bill Freddy Is.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: I just think that that's his philosophy. It was, I
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: don't need the quarterback. I just I'm gonna put the
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: defense together. I'm gonna quarterback and close. You know, I
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: can I can win with any I can plug anybody
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: in there and as long as I get a semblance.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: And I think if you hooked him up to a
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: lot of detector right now, he would say that team
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: last year would have been fine with just any quarterback play.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: They they got less than any quarterback play, right Mac
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: was a disaster. Yeah, And I think that he would say,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: you know, he did say that during the season seven, three, seven, six,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: and in ten, ten to seven, like those are three
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: wins with any semblance of quarterback play.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: I won't go into details, but after watching the full Dynasty,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: that point of view carries a little bit more water
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: for me.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: I really think that that's something that does come out
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: And I don't want to give that away that Mike
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 4: just alluded to, because it was something in the tenth episode.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: I think so that hasn't come out yet, but I
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: think that that mentality is pretty accurate. I'm not not
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: this this thing as an absolute like he doesn't think
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: that you could take Johnny Foxborough.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: But you need to turn over, you know, and they
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 6: got to find a way to be clutched.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: But he thinks, just don't screw it up. I'll do
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: the rest right. And I think there's a lot of
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: validity to that thought for him.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: Anthony also says, I can't wait till June. Let's get
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: past the draft so we can discuss best desserts. So
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: with the slot tides best sports movie, couldn't agree more cool? Disagree?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: I'm so done with We're not even close.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: I'm excited because my favorite bakery was about to close
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: in LA but it reopened and I'm going to go
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 6: out there in a couple months and I'm going to
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 6: get myself some Oreo Tiramasu, which is.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: My time already care about that.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: I love this Areo. Oh that Oreo teer Massu is
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 6: just it's the best. Wow, it's my favorite. I'm not
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 6: having on my birth really impressed my birthday.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you very much, Brandon, says Evan have
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: you ever thought about going back and looking at TV
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: twelve's film from Michigan and scouting him solely from what
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: from that and the other players. It'd be interested in
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: the things you could see visibly improved.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've thought about it, but get most of the
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: stuff that I've found is like, you know, the quality
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: just there's no all twenty two is I don't even
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: know if he's actually film.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: That's really really difficult to do. Oh yeah, like how
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: do you separate the it's Tom can't I'm really gonna
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: be the guy that's gonna write to say this right,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: obviously there's nothing he can't do except for run.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 6: Well yeah, and the and the whole you know, playing
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 6: well under pressure thing that you can't.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: Make plays platform. It's really disluging. Nowadays, Paul really.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: Is Ashley in London. This is more for Paul and Fred.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: Did you ever bump into Bill in the building. I
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: guess more than the off season where he'd engage in
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: a conversation with you. That wasn't the most awkward situation imaginable?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, Yeah, a long time ago.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 6: Well, you gotta, you gotta you got a friendly hello Paul.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: This year didn't you.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: I got a couple this year, this past year. But
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: I will also say not necessarily like random bumping into conversations,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: because those are almost none. Like random bumping into it's
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: a high as you walk by, that's it, you know.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: But like TV production meetings for the preseason games, he
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: is sort of engaged a little bit more than he
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: would at a press conference, like with me and individually
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about There was one he was sort of
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: demonstrating a cornerback technique, you know, the whole cliche of
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: why are the quarterbacks they never look back? You know what?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: The short answer that is because they're taught not to.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: But he was sort of explaining the technique, you know,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: trail technique, you know, staying in phase, hand placement. I mean,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: my god, your eyes were bug bulging out this guy
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: by the end. This Like I try to tell you,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: I have no interest in this. It's not like I
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: don't know anything about, right, I just have no interest
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: in it.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 6: If everyone, we have to start the meeting.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: Guy anyway, I was I was the receiver and said demonstration,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: and he was the dB putting his hands like you know,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: it's like so Paul goes through the deep ball and
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: Paul has his hands up and when that's that's a
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: tell when you see, you know, he goes there are
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: other things that they look. They're looking at facial expressions,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: they're looking like this. I'm telling you. He went on
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: for ten minutes about all these little intricacies, and you
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: can just imagine how much you know, expands and how
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: much more expansive that is for every position, for every situation,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: for every detail. Yeah, but there was times that it
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: was much more engaging my answers than others.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: I would say that there's very few people that have
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: developed defensive backs better than Bill Belichick.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: Especially undrafted ones. He is, they were drafted high.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of things that you know as a
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  Speaker 5: head coach, but like in terms of him in that respect,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if there's anybody that has a better
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  Speaker 5: track record with dbs than Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 4: I mean just every single one he touches. You know
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  Speaker 4: about the amounts undrafted cornerbacks, you know, from Randall Gay
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  Speaker 4: to j. C. Jackson to Jonathan Jones, Malcolm Butler, like
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  Speaker 4: Miles Bryant, that there's a lot of undrafted guys that
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  Speaker 4: turned into more than serviceable players in some regards, really
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  Speaker 4: good players, but there's just as many second round picks
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  Speaker 4: that busted. Juan Williams, Cyrus Jones, Wheatley, he.
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  Speaker 3: Would tell you it's all about being coachable.
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  Speaker 4: Duke Dawson.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they just their system is actually probably right Fred,
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  Speaker 5: It's actually simple, I believe it or not in terms
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  Speaker 5: of what they do technique wise and coverage wise, which
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  Speaker 5: a lot of guys say. You know, they simplify it
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  Speaker 5: so well that you're just, you know, all you gotta
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  Speaker 5: do is think about like one or two things instead
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  Speaker 5: of just thinking about everything.
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  Speaker 6: Seems like the hard part is pre snap and getting
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  Speaker 6: everybody on the same page and in the right spot,
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  Speaker 6: and then once you know where you are and what
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  Speaker 6: your responsibility, that you can do your job.
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  Speaker 5: They do really good job of playing off of help.
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  Speaker 5: So like corners, when they're on the outside, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they'll know that they have a robber and they have
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  Speaker 5: a post safety, so like there's certain routes that they
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: can just eliminate from their Oh, I don't even need
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: to worry about the post because Devin mccorty is going
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: to be on the post. Like those types of things
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  Speaker 5: help a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see. Mussad writes in after the mccordy and Slater
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  Speaker 3: of retirements in back to back off seasons, who do
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  Speaker 3: you view as the team's leaders going forward?
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  Speaker 4: That's great question.
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  Speaker 6: I mean David Andrews, of course, teacher Wise Bentley, those
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  Speaker 6: are I mean, those are the three. But there's no
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  Speaker 6: question that it's gonna be a new team. You guys
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 6: have to emerge and there's gonna be starting spots.
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  Speaker 3: Judan could be if he sticks around.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, who Jabrill Peppers Rill, my guy?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, your guy?
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  Speaker 4: I would put into that mix. But yes, it's it's
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  Speaker 4: it's Bentley, It's Andrews. Those are the two that really
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  Speaker 4: stick out to me.
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  Speaker 3: And Claire writes in Hello everyone, Hello, we're in. I
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  Speaker 3: know Paul may roll his eyes at this. Sorry not sorry,
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  Speaker 3: but the absence of tight end is real. Do you
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  Speaker 3: guys have an opinion of any particular tight end draft
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  Speaker 3: d and also whereabouts would you be happy that they
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: drafted a tight end?
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  Speaker 4: The Texas portion of the show begins, Uh, I figure
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  Speaker 4: that was.
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  Speaker 5: I was lining you up forge Davian Sanders. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 5: on my down list for the combine, though only ran
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  Speaker 5: a four six nine. Not not what I was hoping for.
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  Speaker 3: I really, what if they traded down and took brock Baty.
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  Speaker 6: Oh geez, I kind of mean I gotta look a
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 6: little more into that. Did Jared Wiley kid from TCU.
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  Speaker 6: He's the big, big dude, you know, And that's like,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: those are the guys Benson It. We talked a lot
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 6: about love Ben Senate, but you know, it's just you
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 6: gotta look at like the day three guys with some
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 6: traits and uh.
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  Speaker 5: Theo Johnson from Penn State killed the combines athletic freak,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: didn't really tap into it at Penn State. Ben sent It,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: I think is like a football player, like he's not
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: as good as Sam Laporta, but he kind of has
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: some Sam Laporti e type traits. And uh, I kind
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: of like some of the free agent titands too. I
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: know a lot of people don't love this class free agents,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, I'd take no offense.
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  Speaker 4: I would.
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  Speaker 5: I would take Gerald Everett.
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  Speaker 6: Font noa font on this that would be great.
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  Speaker 4: Just so you know, like tackle, they do not have
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: any tight ends. So I am not rolling my eyes.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: They don't have any tight ends.
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  Speaker 5: It's also not it's also not a particularly good tight
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  Speaker 5: end draft class.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So that's gonna be it for this edition
• 1:57:46
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  Speaker 3: So is Cast twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: Coming up right now?
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  Speaker 2: To do that?
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: Yep?
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  Speaker 3: Coming up?
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: Is Barth here? Yep, he's all right.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: Wow, So this is the last time you were in
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: the same studio, uh, last.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: Week two weeks ago before the combat.
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  Speaker 6: Let's watch the reunion all right.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: Uh, stay tuned for Cast twenty two. They'll be diving
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: deep into I would imagine the draft, maybe you'd be
• 1:58:18
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