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Episode 198 | Super Kings · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Don't say you love me if you don't mean it, and don't say you miss me if you don't want me there with you.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Don't say you love me if you don't mean it, cause I mean everything I said to you Again, again, again Don't say you love me if you don't mean it and don't say you miss me if you don't want me there with you.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: Don't say you love me if you don't mean it, because I mean everything.
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: I bad, you know I love all your bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad the week.
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: They say long to come around.
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: The week is taking long to come around.
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: Unless you hear this Ha Only wings of slumber.
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: One night To the future.
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: I took a flight.
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: I can't fight the sea.
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: I behold Brighter days for all in this world.
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: No more wickedness, Only happiness.
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: Planet Earth begins perfection, my life getting too illusion.
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 2:46
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 2:50
  Speaker 3: Don't you scream.
• 2:53
  Speaker 3: It's just a dream.
• 2:54
  Speaker 3: Don't you scream.
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: It's just a dream.
• 2:57
  Speaker 3: Don't you scream.
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: It's just a dream.
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 3:02
  Speaker 3: There was total integration, no discord, no follow-up question.
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: I'm on as I'm on anywhere.
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: Discrimination disappeared.
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: Little white children, Hog and blood children In South Africa, all for me, Hugging black children.
• 3:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Insult Africa, over me Walking hand in hand.
• 3:55
  Speaker 3: Equally, yeah, I'm only dreaming.
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: I'm only dreaming.
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: Don't you scream.
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: It's just a dream.
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: Don't you scream.
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: It's just a dream.
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: Don't you scream.
• 4:08
  Speaker 3: It's just a dream.
• 4:09
  Speaker 3: Don't you scream.
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: It's just a dream.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: I'm only dreaming.
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: When last you hear a tune like that?
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: When last you hear a tune like that?
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: Welcome to episode 198 of the Corey Shepard Podcast, as we quickly close in on 200.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: 200 times doing this and I want to tell you, let's start tired.
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: In real life.
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: I had a very, very long weekend.
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: I stay inside this weekend.
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: I ain't do nothing fancy because I have a lot going on these weekends, right?
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: I have a lot going on where class is concerned and so on.
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: And you know when I start lecturing, right, when class ain't going on, I just pay attention to news everything happening during the course of the week, but no, when class going on.
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: Wherever we teach on the weekend, that's where we come to talk about here.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: It might be in the best interest of people who are in my class to tune in to the podcast on a weekly basis.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: They might get more information here than they get in for the whole class.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: So, welcome back.
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: Welcome for all who here for the first time Like, share, subscribe, turn on your notification.
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, here it is right.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: Here it is right.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: Here it is Housekeeping matters.
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: You see the little notification bell on YouTube for all the YouTube people If you click that bell right.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: When you go on my thing and you click the bell, it will tell you when the episode come out.
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: So for the weeks, like last week, where the Tuesday turned into Wednesday, a little bit episode come out.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: So for the weeks, like last week, where the tuesday turned out wednesday, a little bit.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: That will happen often, but it's happened from time to time and it's happened especially when I have long classes on a weekend.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: I had classes weekend, two classes from 8 am saturday to 6 pm with myself a damn long weekend.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: So just hit that notification bell and you'll know anything coming out.
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: Right, because I don't always get to record sometime.
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: This sunday rich and I'm tired, I can't see my way to record, so glad to have all here.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: The second thing I want to clear up right real quick is that the people who used to listen on google podcast.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: Now it would be a good idea for me to announce this every week coming up to the wrapping up of google podcast, right, but I somehow just forget.
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not a young man.
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not a young man.
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: You see, I really forget to do this.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: But in case you was listening via Google Podcasts, which I don't know how you're listening now if you're listening via Google Podcasts, because the thing is that Google Podcasts is no longer you can't get it on Google Podcasts anymore.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: It doesn't update.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: Sometimes new episodes come up, it don't come up.
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: So I box up somebody over the weekend who tell me how come I don't record, how I don't post no episode, no more.
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: It's like what I fighting up here to find time.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: I drung in trying to find time to do this.
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: Every week I ask my hoards.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: The reason is that it don't post there anymore.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: So you had a switch.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: You had a switch.
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: Spotify is probably your best bet, because spotify, well, number one, it's free in trinidad and tobago, uh, in most territories to be free.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: And, if I'm not mistaken, I think it's salute my boy, naldo, I think it's naldo who was telling me that, um, spotify don't take up a whole lot of space on your phone in terms of episode by episode, so you don't have to download the episode to your phone.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: You could just listen via spotify and it don't take up all the space on your phone.
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: So we here, we here, we here, we here, we here.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: If you, if you're here, thanks for switching over.
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: And if you, if you, if you have a friend who ain't switch over.
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: You ain't hear from them in a long time.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: Help me, help me to get him to switch over.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: But it seems as though um, it seems as though people finding it when they're finding it right, so that I always appreciate what we want to talk about first, most current things first.
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: Right, have a long listen front of me and not much time to record, right, so let me get to the most important things first.
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: I want to start by saying congratulations to the St Lucia Kings.
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: Right, I want to start and finish this segment on CPL by talking about the St Lucia Kings.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: So let me go to ESPN Cricket Info.
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: They said Kings were struggling at 51-4 in the chase of 139 before Chase and Jones silenced the home crowd.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: Two months after sprinter Julian Alfred delivered St Lucia's first Olympic medal, st Lucia's very own Darren Sammy and his Kings gave the region its maiden CPL title, silencing a packed crowd at Providence in Guyana.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: The crowd had been at its loudest when Guyana Amazon Warriors reached 51-4 in the chase of 1.39 on a slow, two-paced surface.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I mean.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: King went nine overs without a single boundary.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: Rustin Chase was battling illness.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: Aaron Jones was struggling so much that Sammy contemplated retiring him out.
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: Amazon Warriors' four-pronged spin attack had their side, dreaming of back-to-back titles.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: Jones, however, turned the tables on them and crushed their dream.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: After being on 10 of 19 balls, jones zoomed to 38 of the next 12 balls.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: Fortune and unbroken 88.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: Partnership with chase, who has been with kings for five seasons.
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: Chase played the marlon samuels role, something he's been doing for western east for a while and capped a stellar week for him in which he had also earned a cwi central contract.
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: I'll clap that, right, I know what I mean.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: I know what I mean, but I'll clap that cwi central contract.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: We like that.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: Well, the rest of it is cricket news, right?
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: Uh, a lot happened, right, but I think it's a special year for st lucia.
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: Special year for st lucia because what they've been coming out for olympics, where they get their first gold medal, and now they're in the cpl where they get the first title.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: I want to flash back to some time before darren sammy I was going to say junior sammy, you know, you know what I mean.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: Sometime before darren sammy, when we, in my era, cricket and I could people will correct me about this if I wrong, right, but when I used to follow cricket and I started watching cricket maybe when it was Ambrose and Walsh and Richie Richardson and Viv Richards and a little bit of Devon Malcolm and Malcolm Marshall, a little bit, I guess in the end of my times and Desmond and Haynes was the two open batsmen right in my time of watching West or starting to fall in love with West Indies cricket or becoming a fan of West Indies cricket.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: I never know much St Lucians who was playing with West Indies cricket or becoming a fan of West Indies cricket.
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: I never knew much St Lucian's who was playing for West Indies.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: Somebody go correct me if I'm wrong here.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: Right, but a lot of a core of the West Indies team was Jamaica, trinidad, guyana, barbados, antigua.
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: That's where.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: That's where the core that was, who was making up the, the core of that West Indies team or that West Indies era.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: And to have somebody like Darren Sammy on the team who would have, you might argue about Darren Sammy.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: Oh no, you know, I really promised some time ago that I would never start with sports again because women is getting mad and all this.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: Sorry, fast forward, fast forward.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: It could take a while and this topic is not necessarily about sports.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: It is solely about the St Lucia Kings and what St Lucia mean to the region and what St Lucia mean to West Indies cricket.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: Before Darren Sammy, the, the, the St Lucia, st Lucia as a cricketing nation, I don't know that there was a big force in west indies cricket or a big force in regional cricket, but darren sammy, almost like he's a name behind it and a face behind it, to the point where he was able to lead west indies to a world cup t20 win.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: He was one of the best captains they had.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: They say form wasn't that great, he wasn't so good in the bowling, he wasn't so good in the batting, but he was great in the captaincy.
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: And now, as the leader of the team or the coach of the team in the Solution Kings, he's carried them to the first title.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: Right, even some of the diehard CPL fans like I can tell you right, I might have watched half of a CPL game in this season.
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: I just I guess it's starting 7 o'clock in the night.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not a young man ready to go in my bedtime 9 o'clock, so even when I take in a little piece, I never reach into the end of a game.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: It's a struggle for me to stay up late in the night, right.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: But the diehards like my father, christina, the people who are close to CPL cricket or who are cricket lovers even them telling you the tournament gain a little stale is the same set of teams.
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: They're kind of recycling players.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: So one minute the marquee player for guyana.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: Next thing you know, because I remember soon around that start off as a guy and his player.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: Now he's a player in for um, for tkr, and you know the players kind of move around.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: If I remember right, pollard was the captain of Barbados Royals and they had a big rivalry with him and Bravo.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: Next thing you know he and Bravo are on the same team.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: So that's franchise cricket for your money and I think people are getting a little bored of it.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: And one of my suggestions for CPL, or one of the things I would have preferred to see with CPL, was that it was named after cities and not countries.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: So if you had the port of spain night riders and the georgetown amazon warriors or just amazon warriors or castries, kings, I was struggling for capitals here.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: It's called bridgetown royals or whatsoever it is.
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: If you name it after the capital, then it would have a little more room for expansion, because when you have Port of Spain Knight Riders, you could have Scarborough, tallahassee or whatsoever it is and expand it in that way, because now it will be a little odd to add a second Trinidad team.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean and you could have played San Fernando versus thing and played in South and played in North, but I don't know.
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: The league needs to be expanded.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: I think we need to get back to the point where we get in marquee players.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: But when you check the salaries of CPL versus some of the other big leagues, it is not it probably not attractive enough the packages to come to CPL.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: So compared to what you could do otherwise in terms of your own personal income.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: But the CPL is still a vibe.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: The stadiums in some of the countries sell out, trinidad and Guyana being two of those places.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: You're sure you'll get sellout games there and guiana once again hosted the final.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: Keep in mind that guiana win the last final last year or the first title last year.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: I believe they went to like eight finals or some ridiculous number and they win the first one last year and again, again in the current form.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: They were back to the finals with St Lucia Kings and they come and lost.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: There's a finer way to lose in the final.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: It's sad to see.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: It's like the bad luck bills, you know.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: Or the Buffalo Bills of old in the NFL who just always are bridesmaids, never are brides.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: And salute to Imran Tahir as well, because he's been he's stick with Ghana for a long time.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: I was happy to see him lift the trophy last year.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: I saw the face of the Ghana Amazon Warriors and they love him in Ghana.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I had the pleasure of going to one game in that Providence Stadium.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: A couple of games, a matter of a couple of days of cricket in that Providence Stadium.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: I went to back in the day and it's something that everybody should.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Everybody who loves cricket should get to providence stadium at the time at some time.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: But it's disappointing to see that the discussion is not about saint lucia kings.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: The discussion is not about the greatness that darren sammy brought in terms of putting, uh, keeping that team together, keeping them.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: They were the biggest force in the tournament.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: I wasn't watching the games, I was checking the scores all time and they were very difficult to beat in this tournament.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: And if you had to look through the tournament and look at who was the best team, who was one of the most consistent teams.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: It would have been them.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: They deserved to win.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: But the discussion shifts from that to a game between Trinidad Knight Riders and Barbados, where the lights went out for a long period of time.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: After Trinidad they didn't have the best or the strongest batting performance, which we typically don't have in Guyana.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: When TKR go Guyana, we know to struggle to make big runs.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I suppose it's the wicket right or the pressure the stadium is not an easy place to play in, I suppose.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: But the lights went out for a long time and they offered them a few different options and Karen Pollard chose the option to go back out and play for what was five overs, I believe.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: So you have 30 balls and they had to make 60 runs and it was pretty easily.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Babi just lick up them runs and went on right and Trinidad was eliminated.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: And of course, the social media thing now started to become.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: The chicken curry versus curry chicken thing started back up again.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I was hoping that we didn't get back there.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: I find, like that discussion, it's still now it gets all right, okay enough.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It's like we keep going back and back to that every single time.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: And I think it's a deeper issue I want to talk about here, where Trinidadians or TKR fans immediately call sabotage.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's an understandable call.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Anybody could see, for instance let me explain something to you If he was in that Brian Lara Stadium or in the Queen's Park, oval and Guyana had been eliminated under any circumstances where our lights went out, whether they captained you, they would have been on we the same way we was on them.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: So I find it's very understandable for trinity and to say, well, hey, let's sabotage we.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: And then it started to become now guy in a fridge, tkr only afraid we any finals, so the only way to win is to get we out.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: But somewhere along the way it shift from our amazon warriors versus night riders argument and it started to become all of the guy and he's his teeth and all the trinity's lie.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I look at these things as somebody who has been like.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Guyana is like a, a second or a third home to me.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I love guyana, I love guy and these people.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: There's a.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: There's few places I ever went in the world where the hospitality was as good as it is in guyana.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I have many, many friends there many students from Guyana, and it's worrying when you see this kind of thing where we go into the core of people and trying to be as insulting as we can be to our culture of people, our country, our nation of people Over CPL cricket.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Very, very strange to me, very strange to me.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I like the.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I don't like the term, the chicken curry versus curry chicken.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I feel we need to come up with something else to battle over.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: But I like the rivalry.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: This rivalry between Trinidad and Guyana is what is going to make the CPL, according to my father, again stale.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: This go, keep it not stale, because in every major league in the world it's two teams, that is having them leagues, that's a minimum of two teams.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: You have in them leagues who have a sort of deep rivalry, sometimes even deep hatred for one another to keep them things going.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: So if you think of what manchester united and liverpool is, so look, my partner jp's always tell me about him living in england and being a man united fan and going to anfield for the first time.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: He said when he went anfield to watch football and liverpool win, they had to let all the sorry manchester won in anfield.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: That's our way.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Game right, ladies, that's our way game.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: That's where manchester didn't play.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: They play where Liverpool is playing, right?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: He said that they had to let all the Liverpool fans leave first and let them go on what is called the tube and head home.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: He said they stay back in the stadium for two hours, three hours.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: All the man Utd fans had to wait and then they escort the man Utd fans out because men want to fight and by the time they had to walk out to head to the tube.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: He said police horse had to keep people on either side of the road for them to pass and man is running into police horse to get at man U players Only know English hooliganism, right, and what comes with that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: If you look at Spanish League, we call it La Liga.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: All the games.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: The games are exciting, people are backside and things, but is that Real Madrid versus Barcelona?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: That game, el Clasico, is what's going to bring out the people and bring out the passion.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I remember, as a fan of neither of these teams, going to Trotters that day and they had El Clasico In the season.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: There's not no big game.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I mean when I say not no big game, it's not the most consequential game ever, and I shock when I go on the introters.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Man with a Barcelona scarf hanging like if it had cold weather inside here, you know what I mean, man.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: And singing Spanish chants.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Men who I see in school fail Spanish.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: They never learn a word salute, but they have the Barcelona thing chanting Barcelona, ole ole.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: They know what ole mean?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Ole is corn chips and those things always make the league sweet.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Check any league or any league of its worth or of substance in the world.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: You'll find that those rivalries drive the league and a lot of the other games is not true, are we?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: But it's like filler.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Plenty of the other games in a lot of leagues is filler to see women end up hunting.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: But it's two or three or four big teams or two or three or four big rivalries that make a sport great or a league great.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: And this Guyana versus Trinidad rivalry, I think it's healthy and it will make the league great.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It will allow the league to sustain over time, even with the little back and all about lights go out and it come back in time for Duckwood Lewis, which is one of the worst system I ever seen.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I don't understand Duckwood Lewis, that's why he's high science.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: But I find we should be careful as people in our region right, because, as people in our region, we, because, as people in our region, we're very passionate and territorial about the countries we're in, rightfully so.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: We love our country, we love our flag and we love what we represent.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: We love our sports teams, we love our food, we love our women, we love our music.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: We love all of it, and that's important.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: But everybody in this region is too small for the kind of separateness that we try to promote.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: You see these places that fight against one another big rivalries.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: When you see Brazil versus Argentina in football big, big rivalry you know what I mean.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: These countries have hundreds of millions of people in aggregate.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I'm talking business now, right, they have big markets that they could sell things to in their domestic country.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: We do not.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Guyana have about 800,000 people when they're soaking wet.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Trinidad have 1.something million people.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: If you're full, we are.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: If you're now done it, we are 1.5 million people.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Jamaica them are 2.something.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Note already that Jamaica is out of the cpl.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: There's no more jamaica.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Tala was in the cpl, which is not a good sign for what we need to do as a region.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: It is very important for small territories like us to come together.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Basic business, like in year one, any, any business degree, do one-on-one.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: They will teach you a concept called economies of scale, right?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: The thing about economies of scale is that as businesses start to scale meaning get bigger they start to benefit from a lower production cost per unit, right?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: So if I'm making plate to sell somewhere you know I'm doing my little pottery and them kind of thing to sell.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: If I'm selling it to more people, it allows me to make more plate.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And if I could make more plate I will end up with a lower cost per plate because the size of again one of them thing what is the thing the woman was mashing and goes with patrick swayze and and then me more with the thing and they mash it and they make a little whatever it's called a pottery thing, right?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: If you have more of them and you have more skilled people.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: We talked about learning curve and thing last week that economies of scale is a big part of a business too.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It is why the biggest businesses in this country make the most of the money in the country.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: People don't like that too much, but it is the way it is.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: That will always be the way it is.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Uh, the biggest countries, uh, the biggest companies in the world, or conglomerates, will make our masses and answer my call and then look small.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: It looks like a joke compared to their figures that they deal with and if you look at the cost.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So when you look at let me use Royal Castle as an example who do you feel is cost more to fry a leg and tie?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Do you feel it's cost Royal Castle more?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Or it's cost KFC more?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Kfc paying much less for a leg and tie than royal castle?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Because when them go by aroac a matter of fact, kfc telling aroac here what don't sell nobody else, no chicken kfc come in and say we alone going and buy out all.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Don't sell no other fast food restaurant because we're gonna buy all.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Because, again, economies of scale, kfc have 50 something, 60 something restaurants.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Royal castle must be at 15, 20 restaurants throughout the country.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So the cost of production per unit is lower, which allows you to make a higher profit.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Think of kfc.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Kfc price higher than royal castle and they cost lower than royal castle, which means they have a bigger profit margin on every item they sell.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe ask yourself what has that to do with cricket.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It's got everything to do with cricket because the anthem that we play for West Indies cricket is about rallying around the West Indies and bringing us together, and I am not sure that the CPL already is the best format to help West Indies cricket.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, let me change that I'm pretty sure that CPL is not the best format to help West Indies cricket because West Indies cricket done seen not its greatest days ever.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, when David Rudder played, when David Rudder sang his rally around the West Indies, a part of that song edited out to take out the parts where we're not in the glory days anymore.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: We're not in the glory days anymore.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: So it is already.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It could be already considered.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Like I listened to Anil Roberts talk a lot about TKR and those things, or Red Force mashing up Red Steel, which was the original Trinidad and Tobago team that qualified for the not IPL but the Champions League cricket, which would have been which any country in the West Indies could have qualified for it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Right, trinidad had happened to win the regional tournament and we went to the Champions League and, unfortunately, after we did that and the kind of exposure and money these fellas Dave, muhammad, kevin Cooper they had a big side, a bomb squad at the time who went to that tournament in India.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: That was the Champions League.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Champions League was everybody who win the other leagues come together to play a big money, big prize thing.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And Anil Roberts and Manu Noble Sports talk a lot about how this thing is destroying it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: So we completely ice out the fact that St Lucia having a moment and we fail to come together as a region and say great job, st Lucia, let's do a good job, let's celebrate the fact that we have a new winner of the CPL, which bodes well for everybody who had to participate in this tournament next year and all the fans who love the tournament.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: This is what it's about A team who at one point in time only remember St Lucia was guaranteed bottom of the table at one point in time in cpl or in regional cricket, and them men rise to the point where they win it and they have a strong leader there who could be he could be looking to go on a run at this point in time and we fail to stop and say hey, great job, st lucia.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: At up to this point of me recording the conversation is still around trinidad and guyana.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: We fail to stop and say st lucia boy, 2024 is a big year for all here.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: What all you do?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Let me come and let me have a symposium and try to understand what all you do.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: So we could do some of that too, because we are one region and we need one another to survive.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Because we shut down, we can't do bauxite, we can't do uh, what they call the thing again sugar.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: None of those things.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Because of the same economies of scale thing, our production cost per unit is so high in all these different areas that we had to shut down the industry completely.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Because all of those industries were at a point where the world price of sugar was lower than our cost of production for sugar.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: So forget all the politics and things.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: That is why Karen in 1975, limited shut down because they were selling sugar.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Let me say they're selling sugar for 50 cents a ton.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: We was making sugar for 60 cents a ton.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: We could never be profitable.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: We making sugar for 60 cents a ton and selling it for 50 cents.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: The next 10 cents come from me and you taxpayers.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: So they had to shut down that all the industries for raw material.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And another day, when I have more energy, we could come and talk about the fact that our whole region is run on raw material primary production.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: No brand names, nothing that is representative of trinidad and Tobago, barbados, guyana, St Lucia.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: None of it representative.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: In other words, sugar is sugar, bauxite is bauxite, isle is isle, gas is gas.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Nobody don't care where they get their gas from.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: You don't care where your gas come from to drive your car.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: You do not care what country it come from, which means anytime we inch too close to that 50 cents mark in terms of our cost, the biggest companies in the world gonna stop dealing with we and go somewhere else where they could get for less banana sugar.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: You call the thing.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: You call the thing.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: All of them end up moving out of the region because it's no longer profitable for them.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: But instead of we come together and do something about that and work together, we firstly.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: We act like this whole region is only trinidad, guyana, barbados and jamaica.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So what happened to st lucia, what happened for st lucia, don't matter to none of we.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: We don't care.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's chicken curry versus curry, chicken or nothing else, and all the teeth and all the lion and then it started to become all the oil, all the suffering, watch, all the crime in all the country.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: How that could be the discussion.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: If trinidad have a high crime rate, guy, and I'm supposed to feel spoiled and I'm supposed to feel pained about that pained and if they have a better crime rate and a better suggestion for how we could help it, they're supposed to come and help.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: We were that.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: We're supposed to work together.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: We're supposed to see rowley and irfan and them fellas working together to try to solve these issues, rather than have the two populations.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So anything, whatever's the most hurtful thing I could say about the Guyanese, I find it and say it.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Or whatever's the most hurtful thing I could say about the Trini, I find it and say it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: And when I say the region is Trinidad, guyana, barbados, when we say Trinidad, we don't mean Tobago.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: But then we're surprised when we want cessation from trinidad.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: We don't want to be no part of trinidad because they're not treated like part of trinidad and tobago anyway.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: The region to us is trinidad, guyana, barbados and jamaica, four countries who have bigger markets compared to everybody else and maybe some advanced factors of production inside.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: They may be, you understand, but four countries who historically can't get along over nothing.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: We nice when we nice, nice and you know, the thing about it is that I've never met a Trinidadian.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I've never met a Trinidadian.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I've never met a Guyanese, a Bajan or a Jamaican who outright dislike me because I is a Trini, more than a Trini dislike me because I a Trini.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: You get the most fight on and the most the most, the most fight on and the most the most hate on them thing right in your home country.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: So it don't make sense to me.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: We on Facebook at one another, instead of we celebrate, we come together as a region and celebrate Darren Sammy and St Lucia.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: We boasting over oil we don't own and we can't extract and we fail to manage.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: We boasting over that Because I have oil now and you don't have oil and I only suffer.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: That becomes the thing and we're fighting personal battles over a tournament that we don't own and it don't belong to.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: We and the profits from the tournament do not stay here.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: We're fighting over that and killing one another, not like Trinidadians killing one another right For one another, not like trinidadians killing one another right for any guy.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And he's listening.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: We at each other throat as people in the region for a tournament that don't belong to we and it's probably doing more harm than good to the regional game.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You know I mean but and that now become that's.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: That's what we let cpl come to.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: My statement is this, in closing this right, fight for the cpl, fight for your, your, your, your, the country of your choice or the franchise of your choice, because it better than nothing.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: You see what happened to trinidad football when we had no domestic league.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: It works if you don't have a domestic league.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I agree with annie lynn that there must be a better way for us to manage the, the regional cricket for the from a developmental standpoint.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: But where I do agree is hey, we need to replace the CPL.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Don't go and ban CPL and shut it down and then we have nothing going on and let West Indies cricket suffer like how Trinidad football is suffering with the fact that we don't have a domestic league.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: We have to change this mindset, this colonial, indentured, slave mindset that we have over, fighting for things that exxon and bp and bhp own and and we get a little pittance out of it and because, changing we life, we willing to defend the slave master over we own.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So, anyway, last episode was named.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: The more things change, the more the thing remain the same right, and maybe for the first time in history, I will um, maybe I should name two episodes the same name back to back, because I want to play a song here.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Let the music and the feel of the music you judge how old this song is, or when this song comes out, and tell me if it's not the same thing we're dealing with today with CPL ¶¶, ¶¶, ¶¶ from the Federation.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: Well, they want to know why Jamaica run away from the Federation.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Jamaica have a right to speak, she mine.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: That is my opinion, and if you believe in democracy you'll agree with me.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: But if they know they didn't want Federation and they know they don't want to unite as one Independence was at the door, why didn't they speak before?
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: This is no time to say you are federating, no more.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Oh oh, oh oh, la la la, la, la, la, la la la la, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: When they didn't get the capital site, that nearly caused big fights.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: When Sir Grantley Adams took up his post, that even made things worse.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: They ballin' we ain't want no pageant, premier, trinidad can't be capital for here.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: So the grumbling went on and on To a big referendum.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: But if they know, they didn't want Federation.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: So the grumbling went on and on to a big referendum.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: But if they know they didn't want a federation and they know they don't want to unite as one and only one, I say don't tell the doctor you're not in favor.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: Don't behave like a blasted traitor.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: How the devil do you mean bring you Federating?
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: No more, sorry, but no federation again.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I think it's a big shame.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: After so much efforts and energy Put by everybody, right now it's only a memory.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: We fail miserably.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Some may say we shouldn't help part it, but the Jamaica way started.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Right now it's only a memory.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: We fail miserably.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Some may say we shouldn't have parted, but the Jamaica way started.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: If they know they didn't want federation and they know they don't want to unite as one, just tell the doctor you're not in favor.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: Don't behave like a blasted fitter.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: This is no time to say you and fat are breaking.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: No more Federation.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: Boiled down to simply this Is dog-eat-dog and survival of the fittest.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: Everybody fighting for independence Sing you lullay Trinidad, for instance.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: We gon' get it too, so don't bother.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: But I find we should all be together, not separated as we are because of Jamaica.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: If they know they didn't want Federation and they know they don't want to unite as one, tell the doctor.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Tell the doctor you're not in favor.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: Don't behave like a plastic traitor.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: How the devil you mean you are federating no more.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, simon more thing to separate the region.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Again, shancia, and you see the same way they talk.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: If you can't remember, right?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Let me talk to the young people, if, if you know your own, like the hills, fast forward To the younger people, right?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: The whole idea behind the federation was uniting the Caribbean, right?
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: The purpose of uniting the Caribbean was to give us access to bigger markets so that all of us, instead of selling to the little few million that we have, we could unite and sell to 7 million people, rather than just the few, by moving things like trade barriers and making trade free.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: So any products that I make in trinidad, I could sell freely throughout the islands and through, uh, the continental parts of the federation, like guyana, suriname, french guyana, I believe somebody else, I'm missing them.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: So, uh, that, that, that, that song about the federation.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I'll play our next one that referred to the federation as well as we're talking about the Federation.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I'll play our next one that referred to the Federation as well, as we're talking about the Caribbean today.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: It really would have been the first step towards what we had known as CARIFTA, which is Caribbean Free Trade Area, caricom, which stands for Caribbean Common Market, and what we know today as CSME right, caribbean, single Markets and Economy.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Look up what them terms mean and you will realize it's business.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: What we're trying to do is make agreements with one another so that our products could sell to more people, so that we could enjoy economies of scale by building bigger factories, employing more people, buying more raw materials, so we could get at a lower price when we buy in bulk, and so on and so on.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: It benefits all of us.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But we don't see ourselves, we see the one percent as separate from us.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: We see the one percent as them and then 99 as we.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Or we see the one percent as lucky and we see yourself as unlucky.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: We see them as corrupt and we see yourself as as, as, as what saints?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: No, we see ourselves as corrupt too.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Or we see, we see themselves as qualified and able to run a big business, and we don't have that.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: All we could do is work for them.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: But more things separating the region.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Again, it don't take much to separate.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: We I mean master and them do a good job on you, know to make we divide and conquer, whatever you want to call it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: They do a good job on me, because we can't get along for nothing.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Headline 3rd of October 2024.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Critics knock the choice of Shen Shen Sia.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: This is a whole tongue twister.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Shen Sia as Sunshine Snacks brand ambassador A rough life.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Trinidad and Tobago.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Sunshine Snacks has signed Jamaican dancehall artist and social media content creators Trinidad and Tobago.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Sunshine Snacks has signed Jamaican dancehall artist and social media content creators Shantia and her eight-year-old son, rajiero Lee, as brand ambassadors for the popular snacks.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I applaud that.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I find it to be a great idea.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Let me put that up front.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I put in my opinion at the beginning.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I find it to be a great idea.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I want to congratulate nicholas lockjack and sunshine snacks for a very progressive move to sign, to sign chancia and her son.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And if you don't know, right, chancia is a let me talk to the old folks now.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Chancia is a jamaican dancehall artist.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I might have had google chancia s-h-e-n-s-e-a.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: You want to see who chancia is.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Right, she look good and her son has been a part of her social media presence for a long time.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: She it started off when but this is as early as I could remember right she had started posting her son when, like, she was on tour and them kind of things.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Because if she is, if her son is eight, she really come out and bust muzzy close to about that same time ago.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: You know if she out, if she out, 10 years is plenty, right.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So the first times I saw her really or saw her presence was when she was on tour away for long times and then come back to her son and you know the whole reuniting thing and her son and then she used to do some cooking things.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: When she come home and she cook for her son and stuff and the boy grew up on social media and he's a influencer himself.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Right, very funny little youth and they do nice things together.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not a son who wouldn't like that kind of wholesome goodness.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Well, let's find out who wouldn't like that.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: However, some are criticizing associated brands.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: The parent company of Sunshine Snacks for choosing Chen Sia saying her songs make her unsuitable to promote the brand to children.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Sunshine Snacks, launched in 1977, made the announcement at the AC Hotel in Kingston, jamaica, on September 25th.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: The mother-son duo, who boasts a collective nearly 8 million followers on instagram let me take a pause there right, the whole english-speaking caribbean has 7 million people, but shancia have 8 million followers she and her son, right, 8 million followers on instagram.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Let me, let me.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Let me declare now that one of the courses are doing on saturdays is digital analytics and data analytics.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: The purpose of the course is to get students to look at what data you could find from the digital presence of a company and help you make brand decisions right.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: So this is right, dead center of what we're talking about every week.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Talking about every week because if I have somebody who have eight million followers and I identify that based on why we're going in marketing, is quality target audience right, based on who I trying to sell to them eight million followers, you have about six million of them is people who would be interested in my products, who I want to buy my products then I find is a good marriage already.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: But let's continue to read.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: The mother son duo, who boasts a collective near 8 million followers on instagram, will become the face of the brand, not only in their home country, but in barbados, guiana and trinidad.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: That is the region right, because, of course, we don't care about st lucia greenada.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: We tend to look at the region as trinidad, jamaica, barbados and Guyana right.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: As stated here.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't make this up.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: This is what I put here, speaking at the media launch.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Ancia said she viewed this as an authentic collaboration, as she recalled the brand being a part of her childhood.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Sunshine Snacks has been here giving us the amazing support of their products over the years.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I, too, grew up on their products.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to doing so much work with you guys because this is an authentic partnership couple with the fact I mean the check nice.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Couple with the fact that I also grew up on it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I would I would only be here, I would only be right for me to help you push the brand because I know I can represent you for the fullest.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: That mean the check nice nice and that mean it have bonuses.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: It probably have bonuses according to how much they sell.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: The partnership kicked off at an event titled Chancea's Birthday Festival, which I was there hosted in September 27th.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: The international recording artist has represented brands including Carre Brewery, telecom, boom, pepsi Cola and others.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: This is also not Lee's first foray into the brand ambassador role.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: He's also been an influencer for the popular local soft drink Ch into the brand ambassador role.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: He's also been an influencer for the popular local soft drink Chubby for the last four years.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: While many Sunshine Snacks followers have expressed their support for the collaboration, some have been critical of her being the brand's selection.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Commentators opined Shansia is an inappropriate figure to represent a children's company and have accused her of promoting promiscuity in her music.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Is it so?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Some Instagram comments include.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: This is very hypocritical.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: This is a very hypocritical company, wow, that promotes kids snacks.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Sponsor sponsoring an artist that promotes having multiple partners as a female.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Oh so, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Sponsor an artist that promotes having multiple partners that are female at the same time, multiple partners that are male.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Nobody the same time.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I was thinking I got multiple partners that are male.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Nobody tells me this.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Isn't this marketed towards kids?
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Why wasn't there anyone more wholesome, rough Activist Umar Abdullah.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: What do you think Umar Abdullah thinks about this topic?
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: You want to hazard your best guess?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Activist Umar Abdullah, leader of the first wave movement, said on October 30, he was deeply appalled by Sunshine Snacks' choice of Shantia and her son.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: This reckless endorsement demonstrates an alarming lack of moral, ethical and family values that should form the foundation of any reputable company.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Abdullah, any reputable company?
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, he decreed.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Any reputable company, okay, he decreed abdullah, uh, umar, that mean you probably can't, um, you probably can't use nobody for no kind of product, right?
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I mean no product endorsement you're talking about right, but anyway he decided he decreed.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: He decreed shancia songs as an image, as hyper sexualized I find.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: So if I'm very hyper, the hit song Foreplay by Shen Sio, in particular, promotes dangerous ideas that you have no place in our product.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And it's that true, and I say so.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Lyrics such as let me see if I can make an accent working Me nagu lie Me afi tell you Me love it when your finger, oh they loose loose.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: They are shocking and inappropriate, signaling a catastrophic failure in judgment from those responsible for this decision.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I agree with you 100%.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Omar Newsday contacted Associated Brands and officials and a statement was made, but this hasn't happened up to the time of publication.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Associated Brands CEO Nicholas Lockjack described the partnership as a marriage.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: In other words, words it ain't going nowhere, he said.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: We may not always see eye to eye, but we are committed to making it work.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Our goal is to bring the caribbean to the world and we'll do whatever we can to make that happen.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Uh well, nicholas lockjack, as you might know, is the son of great at a lockjack, right the business school.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Well, ue's business school is named after at a lockjack.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Not uncommon for universities, uh of the the top tier universities, to name their business schools after prominent business people.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, who better than at a lockjack was ran or founded and ran associated brands for many years, and they are.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: They own some of trinidad and tobago's most recognizable global brands, you might argue, when you look at sunshine snacks, maybe based on your childhood, that is a is a children brand or a family brand.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I would like to say that, even though they have several products that are targeting children, they also have several products that target adults right, Like them.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Dry nuts ways are the Sheldon nuts.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And eat that Chiron do.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Eat that.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Them cashew nuts ways are about $100 a pack.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Well, chiron might eat it, but we ain't buying it for them, and these days I find like he's seeing them thing three for one everywhere.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they ain't selling or what, but I love me a three for one special on them cashew nuts.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I like them very much, you know what I mean.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: And so they have several products that I mean as a snack company.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: They have a long list of products and each one of those products target different audiences is pretty, pretty standard and straightforward to me.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: So I doubt that they're going to take shancia and to quote um umar favorite lyrics from shancia umar say me not gonna lie me, have to tell you me love it when your finger me what, what?
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're talking about the Pakazumas.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: You love it when your finger Pakazuma.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: But the truth is that these people are not stupid.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: They're not going to use that part of her image or those types of lyrics to promote their product.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I find this a little surprising that this is a topic actually, but again, I think the bigger issue is that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I mean I can't even say that in a week.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I was going to say the bigger issue is that she's Jamaican.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I would deal with that separately.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: And people find that they could have found a Trini and I was going to say if they had used Saucy Wow, but Umar would not like Saucy Wow, neither Saucy Baby, I wouldn't put it on me.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I Corsi baby away and put it on me.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I can hear that in a little conker's head you know who don't want a little conker's put on them.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: But I don't see what's the issue.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: There's a family brand.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: They contract a family to do a promo for them.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: What we just say.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: If they had used Patricia Roberts and her son or if they had used Fian Lyons and her daughter, I mean I ain't think Fian or patricia, I ain't rough.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: This looks a little coarse in real life but that is who chancia is and that is who she represented.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Again, the little boy who he had to do.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: It is suppose they sign them and all the ads or all the uh, which I'm sure a big part of what they sign them for is their social media presence.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: So product placement gonna be a big thing where they in their reels and the different things they do home.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: They're going to be using sunshine snacks products as part of it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Sunshine snacks cereals and so on is a family thing.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: So you're trying to say that because sincere lyrics like this.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: She don't have no kind of family life that she could promote.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: She's promote family life all the time.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: That's what built her.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Her instagram following, I would say, is more built on things like those than the hyper-sexualized lyrics that Dr Umar not Dr Umar, but Umar Abdullah don't like at all.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: So I applaud the movement.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I find the most important thing to me here, or the most important line in this whole article, is that our goal is to bring the Caribbean to the world and we'll do whatever we can to make that happen.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I think we have to continue to think along these lines, where the goal of our brands is to take it to the world.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: The world have a market of 7 billion people, while the Caribbean have a market of 7 million people, while the caribbean have a market of 7 million people.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: We will all do better off if we have global brands, brands that are out there.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I remember talking about this when you're somewhat do pretty early.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: We need to have, we need to have companies like sunshine snacks and smjl and them who make brands that could be globally recognizable and bought globally.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: The CPL is not a local tournament.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Them fellas and them in India come together or wherever they come from, put together some dollars and put a tournament here because they know that the Indian market like to watch West Indian cricket and they put the games at times that suit the Indian market.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: You get where I'm coming from.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: So they looking at expanding the product they have and they are in a market of a billion.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: How much indian people have a billion on the indian on the continent?
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: They're in a market of a billion people and the rest of the, the, uh, the cricketing nations might, might sum up to the next half a billion people when you look at what they could add so they could sit on ipl only and enjoy the profits from there.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: But them fellas who have them kind of markets and making that kind of money expanding.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: But we seem to think that sunshine snacks must remain here, it must remain local and domestic and sell to us alone.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And you know he's hold on, you know hold on to the bird too tight.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: When by the time you let go, the bird can't fly.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: You see it in all these um, all these gender reveal and all these funeral where they hold the dove and I'm so tight when they let go the dove.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: He just collapsed from heat and exhaustion.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: That's what we do with our local brands.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I I remember when this were talking about Chubby being represented by him or her son, I didn't hear this big outcry.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I suppose it's because it's Chubby and her child.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: And keep in mind that if I own a series of brands right, I own Oasis, I own Buster, I own Chubby, I ownidad fresh or caribbean cool or whatever the other brands are essentially loan you could make a deal, an endorsement deal as a company.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I could come to you as jaleel and give you a deal that says, okay, you represent me as a company.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, that gonna be some money, right.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Or you can make brand deals, so each one of your brands can make its own deal, which is what I believe happened with chubby.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Right, they found and they probably went out looking for young people in the target group of chubby, because if he's eight years old, that is chubby target group.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Chubby target group is probably primary school children, right, anywhere between, or maybe even earlier, three, four years old all the way to 11 years old, right, but very conscious that they are target audience, where your parents are the spending money for you.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: So they may have looked online for Caribbean influencers who are around the age of their target audience primary school youth and stuff and he will be a standout in that space because he's been online for a long time and he's present and he's known and, as they say here, he's doing other brand deals.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear much about that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Carib, who is clearly trying to make a drive.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Carib and I didn't hear much about that.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Carib, who is clearly trying to make a drive.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Carib end up doing well in the region, right, I hear all that.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: They're cussing Guyana, so they cuss the Carib until the Carib halftime show is worse.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: The Banks halftime show is better.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: They bring that piss beer here and they da-da-da-da-da.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: The Carib is clearly looking beyond the region, and when I say beyond the region, I also mean beyond the diaspora, because Carib Banks, these brands Angostura, mount Gay, el Dorado they will all sell well to Caribbean people abroad, right.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: So anywhere Caribbean people congregate, like in Brixton Market Brixton Market If you go to Brixton, you will find several, you will find Appleton All the different Caribbean brands will find several.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: You will find Appleton.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: All the different Caribbean brands will be there.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: You will also find Sunshine Snacks.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: You will find all those things.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: If you go down Brooklyn, according to Krookroo, anywhere in Flatbush or Utica you could find all the different things we just get in Trinidadian stores.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Those things are not hard to find.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: The diaspora will buy their products.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: It's like you're living abroad and it's cold and you want a slice of home.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: You go find Maggie products and you go find a little carib and shandy and them things for Christmas.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: You will find it.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Carib's focus is to get beyond the diaspora so that a carib becomes a preferred beer.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Anyway in the world, if Budweiser could do it, why we can't't do it?
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: If people could go all over the world and ask for miller light that's just american beer.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Why people can't ask for that?
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: If people could go all over the world and ask for coke and pepper see why they can't ask for for, for chubby or buster, is it?
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: We could build global brands too.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: It's like we, we, we get so caught up in the mud and fighting one another here that we lose sight of the bigger, the bigger the world market, you know.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: So I don't understand it sometimes, because I remember Carib going to DJ Khaled right and signing a contract with DJ Khaled and you know I saw the agency on TV with them and not on TV on the um and the grams and everybody posing with Khaled and Khaled talking about Carb is the best beer drink.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Carb must be.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I sure.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I sure Khaled don't drink no Carb.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I sure I don't even know if Khaled does drink alcohol but Carb.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Wherever he check right and he do endorsement, he will do it and I didn't see this level of uproar for that.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Now, maybe DJ Khaled is not a Caribbean person, so as far as they're concerned, I mean no big fight there.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: When is that Jamaican person?
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: And I want to say that DJ Khaled is responsible.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Like, go and listen to these songs that DJ Khaled has put out.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Right, he's responsible for as much as much what you want to call smutty and lewd and indecent lyrics, as much as shancia, if not more.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: All of it.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: His songs not clean, he not promoting to um a squeaky clean audience or anything like that.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: He, he out there.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Now the argument might be that it's a beer and it's not sunshine, it's not a children's brand, but my, my counter to that is that sunshine snacks is not only a children's brand, just the way chubby have or smg have several different products, or angus through have several different products that they use, as some of some of them targets in young people.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: The same way you have different brands that you're targeting different people.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: So I'm I'm sure that the associated brands not going to put uh, shensia in a who's one of the brands they use, that's clearly for little trend, like corncob and cheese balls, you think they'll put you remember they used to do it as um the corncob man and the cheese balls man with the big head in the spectacular when we used to go in the tent.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: And then you think that we use our big chancy, a big face, come in to sing um hit and run.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: In a situation like that, you know, I don't know, I don't know.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I feel like if it's solely because it's a trini it's a trini versus a Jamaican thing and we feel more comfortable.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Or might we have felt more comfortable if they had used a foreign celebrity?
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: You have equally lewd lyrics or indecent lyrics If you use a celebrity and her son.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Or would we have felt better if it was Rihanna, who have equal lyrics like this, just like Shenseo.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Would we have felt better if it was Rihanna and her son?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: They couldn't afford Rihanna and her son.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure when they make a shortlist, rihanna was up there in the list, but I suppose Rihanna's children do have their own presence on social media and not building their brand overall.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: The second part of the argument is this right, All I Trini da da carry feelings, sunshine snacks and the money jammed down.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Now she see, I just a eat and run Take the money and a eat and run.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: I was hoping I could get a little dealin, but dem ae wanna know atis where we from.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: So she see I just a eat and run.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Take the money and a eat and run.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: My girl.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: You eat all to me peanuts.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: Could a give me little blind Put some food in a me gut spot Like Triniatis?
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: Coulda never big enough.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: Feel like I back in school, all me snacks getting huff.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Look, you have me by me knees girl.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: You got me to me cheese girl, honey roasted and cashew.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: It was me dream girl.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: I just work hard but I only get in lick sheet Out me sun mix and all me snack sticks.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Lord Girl, you coulda share cause I'm so hungry.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: I pray one day to get a little dust from the company, but you're busting on my balls so they're so cheesy.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: I see your f*** is the only thing hungrier than me.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: The whole of Trin attorney that I can reveal it sunshine sucks and the money jammed down.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: No, she see, I just eat and run, take the money and I eat and run.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: I was hoping I could get a little deal, but then me won't know what it's gonna be Run, shenzi, you're just a hit and run Boys.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: The great chromatics, right, the great chromatics?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Now, under all the talk, right, sunshine's not only called matics.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: You know Just the little part.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: He put together one of the best lyricists Trinidad ever seen, right, but just the part where he put together, where he put together all of the like half of the brand names in the songwriter Genius.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: You know songwriter genius and all it's supposed to call him and work out something with him.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Work out something with him immediately, because I doing this and I plan to talk about this and I can't remember half the brand when it comes to calling out the brand on them kind of thing.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: But so let's look to chromatics.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: What is on top of wherever the latest topics land, right?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: One of the things we had to keep in mind is again the idea that sunshine snacks is a local company company and must only use local brand ambassadors.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: We need to throw that out there.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Sunshine Snacks, if they want to penetrate the Indian market, they can't be using podcasters like me and entertainers like Chromatics.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: We don't have the reach and we don't have the penetration in their markets.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: They have to go and find somebody in that market.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I think if the goal is to get an international audience via some regional conduit, chancier is a good choice.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Now I will say, as somebody who always you know, every month is calypso, history month here right, and I don't want to knock the lockjacks of associated brands unfairly, because I was trying to look up to see what local brands or local uh sorry artists or personalities or influencers they they do work with and I'm not finding any.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: That's probably because of my poor research skills, but I would say that whether it is a top tier deal, like where you're probably is your top dollar right, that's probably most money you're spending for the year on influencers.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: But I'll say that we also had to pay attention to the fact that you come from here, your profits coming back here, you're paying taxes here, your biggest of the employees is here and all that.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: While your biggest market might be here, it might make sense for associated brands on Sunshine Snacks to form allegiances and alliances with people like chromatics or artists who here, or our own influencers like certified samson, junior lee, whoever they might be, and align yourself with them as well, so that you're continuing to build what we have here, because it would be much, I don't want to say, should I say cheaper?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say cheaper, right, but if you help, like the local, the domestic conglomerates, like associated brands, help the development of culture in the country more, maybe we wouldn't have to look abroad for shancia to do an endorsement deal with, or shancia son right, we have many, many young influencers here who do anything right.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: So salute to shancia, salute to sunshine snack, salute to chromatics.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Chromix has always come good with these kind of things.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: They're very he's very difficult to beat with that and I don't know how them men has come up with lyrics so fast.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Them men is almost like, as soon as something come out, them men ready to respond.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: We're talking about ready to respond refinery bombshell.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: No wait, I win your song, I win your song, I win your song.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Before we get into the refinery bombshell, I did promise you that I had another song about the federation and caribbean unity which I'll always continue to promote, and this is calypso history month, so hold this now you try with our federation.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you From Yucca Yulia.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: It's seven million.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: We're now West Indian unity.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: I know it's very easy If you only rap to your people and tell them, like me, there is one race the Caribbean man From the same place.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: The Caribbean man that make the same trip.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: The Caribbean man On the same ship the Caribbean man.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: So we must push one common intention.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: It's for a better life in the region For we women and we children.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: That must be the ambition.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Of the Caribbean man, the Caribbean man.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: The Caribbean man.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: You say that the Federation Was imported quite from England and you're going on for my character With a true West Indian flavor.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: But since character started running Morning, noon and night, all I hear in Is just money.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: Speech them, prime minister giving, but I say no set of money, just for my unity.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: Talk of all your people needs their identity, like one race From the same place that make the same trip.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: Thank you, we children Thank you.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: That's why some want to be communists, brother, some want to be socialists and one set a religion to a toady foolishness.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: Look, a man who don't know his history he have for no unity.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: How could a man who don't know his roots Form his own ideology, like one race From the same place that make the same trip On the same ship.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: So we must push one common intention Is for a better life in the region For we women and we children that must be the ambition Of the Caribbean man, the Caribbean man.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: The.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: Caribbean man, the Federation undead and Carrifster going to bed, but the cult of the Rastafarians Spreading through the Caribbean.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: It have Rastas now in Grenada, it have Rastas now in St Lucia.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: But to run Carrifster, yes, you getting pressure.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: If the Rastafari movement spreading and Carrifster dying slow, then it's something.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: The Rastasari movement spreading and Arab are dying slow, then it's something.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 7: The Rastafari done that them politicians who know that there is one race from the same place that make the same trip on the same ship.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: So, they pushing one common intention is for a better life in the region for the women and their children.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: That must be the ambition.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: You know guys are lying, as always.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Stand out to me in that song, right, he's saying if the Rastafari movement's spreading and Karefta dying slow, replace Karefta with Karicom, cs, csme, every version of it dying slow, right, you say it have something.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Them rastafarians on that, them politicians don't know.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: That does always stand out to me, especially when I see in today's world how when you talk about vitamins now long time, you turn around I think a centrum.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: You carry nothing but only centrum or make up the ingredients.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Now when you go on Amazon and you look for vitamins, it's babaroots, sea moss, edelberry, it's the same natural sort of things.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Aloe vera, the same natural sort of things that we cry Well, at least me so Cry, I don't want no part and none of them kind of thing a long time.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Cry, well, at least me, so Cry, I don't want no part of none of them kind of thing long time.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: And you know the naturalist.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: What we know as a naturalist in the Caribbean is Rasta, who close to the ground and eat from the earth, and you know this whole organic movement and cage-free bird Cage-free bird come on foul.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: So it's almost like we drift so far from what we know for somebody to you know what I mean.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: The same thing I talk about.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: You know we drift so far from what we have here as a region and now we choose to import the same thing that we used to make for yourself.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: But we're good, aka samaru, said in a shocking revelation, revelation in parliament yesterday.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Energy minister steward young claimed the oilfield Workers Trade Union's Patriotic Energies Company Limited, aka Petritron, failed to make the next round of bidding on the Mothball Petritron Refinery because it lied about the financial standing by submitting a fake document to the Evaluation Committee tasked with receiving proposals.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Young made the comment a day after OWTU President-General Ansel Roge, at a media conference, suggested that the government was actually spitefully rejecting the patriotic.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Speaking in yesterday's budget debate, however, minister Young described Roger's remarks as reckless, providing context before revealing what he said was the reason that the company was not considered.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: He explained One of the things looked at not us, the government, the evaluation committee and Scotia out of Houston, who are independent experts in this area.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: There were a number of things they looked at Any experience in refining, any experience in oil.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: And the other one is do you have the financial wherewithal?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Reaching for a document in front of him, young said you know, things will arrive in your mailbox.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: He brandished a piece of paper to the lower house declaring I have in my hand here today what appears to be a swift message of a cash wire of US dollars $1.5 billion on behalf of Patriotics Energies and Technology Company Limited, receiving US dollars $1.5 billion at a local bank in Trinidad.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I myself say, well, union dues is paying off.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I start to say but let me form a union, let me see who we can represent.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: The energy minister said the government asked evaluation committee what was the issue with Patriotic's bid if the company showed that sum of money in its account?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: So of course we asked well, if they had this, what happened?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Fraudulent document, a fake document produced as part of the eoi, which is the expression of interest process.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Forged document because when the due diligence was done, of course, when you say, of course for wire to plane, of course, of course, no, 1.5 billion dollars was received by patriotic at any local bank.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: So unfortunately, and yes, it is stamped by some unknown person, certified, true, but of course it's easy.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Why are you saying, of course, so much to your young?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Young claimed, while those on the government audibly expressed, young claimed, while those on the government side audibly expressed their shock at the disclosure.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Young said he was so confident in the documentation he was provided that he was willing to repeat what he said in public, where he does not necessarily have parliamentary privilege.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Down, slow down, because it neither exists, because it is either it exists or it doesn't exist.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I can stand here without fear of contradiction, here and outside, as I might do later on, which he's not going to do later on, and say it is not a real document.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: So therefore, unfortunately, they could not move forward.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Move forward because the document was produced as proof of financial is not real, fake, fraud, fraudulent, and that, mr Deputy Speaker, through you, the population, is the truth to why patriotic could not make it to the next hurdle.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: The question was asked why did they pass the financials?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I was told the evaluation committee the first time no, they could not produce financials.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Where, told the evaluation committee the first time, no, they could not produce financial.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: Where it's all on this occasion, as part of I remember that.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: I remember the first time they said the finances was an issue and then they reopened this for whatever reason, and clearly they get through the finances.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: But, minister young, let me take my time here, minister young said the documents fake and they never collect.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: No, 1.5.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: I was driving this morning andi hear on the news they say, according to call me, but come outside.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: If your name man, come outside, say it outside.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Stuart young say willing to say it outside.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I willing to bet 1.5 billion us dollars that he's not going to say this outside.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: And the the thing that's standing out to me most about this right number one, going back to the whole trinidad versus guy, anything.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: I think these two countries lose our opportunity.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: No blame, nowhere.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know where the blame is to lie, but I think that, as if we were really united as a region, guy, guyana's oil boom and Trinidad's decline in production and gas could be seen as like why we invest in different types of products.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: You know when you, when you, when you have an investment strategy, one of the things they tell you is to diversify.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: The reason you diversify in your portfolio is because when one type of product or one type of industry up, the next one is usually bidong right.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: So if we were really one region, it wouldn't really matter who find oil or gas, and it would be you versus them.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: And I want to be clear in this that Trinidadians do enough to put ourselves in a position where Guyanese people say all kinds of things about us.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: We are not the kindest people, not on the ground, not on the ground, not in immigration, not in customs.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: We we good, we easy to deal with in our trinidadians.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I remember doing a class on international business at a time and a big part of international business is being, uh, export and import and those types of things.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Right, and I was surprised when I did the class, both here and in Guyana, and I was surprised that Trinidadians seem to think that we have a very friendly border when it comes to whether it is the movement of people or the movement of goods and services.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you we do not.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Our customs ain't easy.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: I have a friend last week who brought his two dogs back into the country and he's telling the customs agent well, the dogs, the dogs neutered.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: So this is my family, you know, I mean my children, big, it's just me, my wife and my dogs.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: So I in trinidad now, I went and I bring in my dogs and she's like, yeah, but them dog, expensive, I want them dog, you know, I want them dog.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: This dog is money and the customs agent basically telling you you could bring that dog here money.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: And the customs agent basically telling her you could bring that dog here and breed and make loud, and she's like, yeah, but Newton, she's like, well, I don't know and want to charge him as if he imported a dog for the purposes of breeding.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: And I'll say this it is up to that customs agent what they decide to charge you.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: You could go and challenge it, but it's either you pay and then challenge it and go with your dogs or you leave your dogs there and challenge it, which nobody ain't doing.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: If you, if you have dogs you understand what I'm saying you're not leaving your dog there, especially them kind of dog, especially a custom agent, to say them dog is money, them dog is big money.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: We could tell somebody that as a customs agent, you should probably not make a statement like that.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: So our, our attitude towards goods and services coming into the country is poor.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: It's poor both on the side of what we charge people to bring things into the country and also the way called non-tariff barriers.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: We're more dangerous with the non-tariff barriers, meaning if it's a tax, I could, as a business person, I could say well, all right, I'm bringing in these things to sell, like I bring chocolates into the country, I'm gonna sell them chocolate and I could pay 25 percent by the thing.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: So my hospital bar is about 10 dollars, I will sell for 15 dollars, make a profit and do it again, right?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: But I remember in luck jack, a guy who was a grenadian businessman was talking about this and saying that he sent his chocolates to trinidad which, which is fine, chocolates made in Grenada and all them things.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: And he said, when it reached in the port, in a bonded warehouse here they tell him the weight where he put in the net.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: You know, when you buy a bar of chocolates they have a net, something, something telling you how much.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: You think they tell him that can't be on the front.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: You know we changed the thing last week that has to be on on the back and now he had to relabel all them things.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: So it kind of your cost of getting it into the country and, if you ask me, it's unfair competition.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Unfair competition which would have benefited the likes of the lock jacks and so on.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll talk about that next time.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: There's unfair competition.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: We are not friendly people at the border and allowing things to come in.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: So we put ourselves in this position where we might be looked at in the region as people who had oil and gas and we feel better than everybody.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: So no one man get oil and gas, no man glad to look, look down at me and laugh at me, his hard times and crime and so on.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: But just saying that, had we approached this as a region petro-train infirmary, we probably have never shut down, at least if it could operate efficiently.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm not one for the government owning anything.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: They really should have let Dupre do what the man was doing and by that time he would be able to run a refinery by now, rather than the government running it.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: But I'm keeping my eyes on this story.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: This is one that we should all look at, because who ends up with that?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Petrotrain refinery Should be important to everybody in this country.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Everybody should be paying attention to that, because what tends to happen here I see it with the steel industry, I see it with bauxite at Alcoa, we see it with oil and gas before Well, if it's profitable for some of these multinational corporations and this is a lesson guy, I'm not going to find out soon if it's profitable for multinational corporations to deal with you and to deal with your natural resources and to benefit from it.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: They will come usually they may.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: They will come and boy this isn't so profitable and this isn't making sense.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: And then we have to make a deal with them, usually in the form of tax breaks, to tell them here, what, if you come now, you ain't going to pay no set of tax breaks.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: We'll give you a five-year tax break.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Everybody in Chelsea and Trinidad will pay 20%, but we'll give you for 2.5%.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: And all kind of different deals has been made just to get them to come here.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: And what tends to happen is that they make the money.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: The first sign of hardship them men gone right, I was talking about this with the hotel thing last week right, and just like how the government looking to take back ownership of magdalena grand and build it back if they had given up ownership or when they had taken it back from hilton at the time.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: You tend to find that you might be in a world where somebody come here, make the refinery as profitable as they could have, make it for two, three years and then pull out of the deal with very little penalty or anything happening and then it back in the government and again at the expense of taxpayers, or taxpayers buying it back from the foreign people who they give it to or financing things so that we make sure it don't shut down and them kind of thing, especially with the horizon of gas production to be back up.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: They're saying in a 2027, they're basically saying, if you can make it to late 2027 in this economy, we're going to be alright.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: When the dragon gas kick in, we're back in our gear, right, and then we're going to be able to beat Ghana the time in between.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Here somebody gonna have to sweeten a deal, nice to get a foreign multinational to come here to to pick up a refinery where, dare I say, maintenance wouldn't be the best and technology wouldn't be as up-to-date as it might have been and cases might be looming over over them and all these types of things.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: I am not not sure that and I'm not saying that they should give it to the OWTU either.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: If them fellas and them documents up to scratch, then they have an issue.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: But they have a few bidders here, which they said is Sierra Consortium, trinidadian-based group, made up of DR Commodities Limited, chemitech and Ocala and ocala us base them things too hard for me to pronounce.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: I hate to play calypso.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: You know I hate to play calypso body caribbean.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: Hey, let's have a party, a Caribbean party, the entire region together In one big splashdown fiesta.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: A Caribbean connection, a regional vibration.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: I say we jamming To the songs of the Caribbean, we grooving To Calypso and silver.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: This jam gonna be irie, it's one love.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: So feel free, for we are the people of the Caribbean, showing that we don't want no basin plan.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: A Caribbean connection, a regional vibration.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: I say we jammin' To the songs of the Caribbean, we go in To Calypso and Silver.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: Guitar solo Getting together.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: So should every leader, for we are one people, one destination.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: So let us move on without hesitation.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: A Caribbean connection, a regional vibration.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: I say we jam in to the songs of the Caribbean, we groove in to Calypso and Steven.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: Thank you, the venue is Tobago and it's going to be a grand show, a true Caribbean Callaloo mix-up.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: When we start to jam up, we go in non-stop.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: A Caribbean connection, a regional vibration.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: I say we jammin' To the songs of the Caribbean, we groupin' To Calais, oh and Spielberg, oh, oh oh.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Cashless payment options at the hotel was prematurely distributed and containing accurate information.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: If you didn't know, over the weekend, out of the blue, you see something on hyatt uh, social media coming out and basically saying that listen, we don't want to pass all your money.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: Money has to be paid in us pongs yen one, anything except all your monopoly money.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: You know I mean, we don't want it.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Of course locals who've never stayed at hyatt before Tongs yen won anything except all your monopoly money.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: We don't want it.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Of course locals who've never stayed at Hyatt before have no intention of staying at.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Hyatt has an opera saying how a company could be operating in Trinidad and not accepting Trini dollars.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: Now I will say, as somebody who I've stayed at Hyatt before, I didn't even remember this until Stacey told me this the other day.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: We stayed at Hyatt before.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't even remember.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: This is Stacy telling me this the other day we stayed at Hyatt before.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: A good thing, my Stacy, but we stayed at Hyatt before.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Uh, we had a couple breakfasts at Hyatt, we had a couple lunches and so on.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean we've been to the Hyatt and, if I remember right, in terms of paying at the Hyatt, I think I probably pay in US.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: If I make the booking online or I call over the phone and I give my credit card.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think I ever asked like, well, you're gonna make this in tt or us.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's because of when I stayed and it was a long time ago.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Uh, now I'll probably ask, because my us limit low and when you travel is a is a.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Like when I travel now, I book the flights in one month.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Salute to my cousin, steven shepherd, right?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: So, uncle steve, I saw uncle steve post something last week that said for caribbean airlines, if you book on your website, the payment it's your card in us, but if you book via the mobile app, the payment is in tt.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that information, uncle steve.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Uncle steve was the past ceo of tobago hospitality institute, right?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: So he's a man who know what you're talking about.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad to hear that.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: But what I typically do, because I I thought you'll always pay for the flights in the us caribbean app is not the easiest to use, uncle steve, but we could try it because we could do it at city payments or transaction.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: And when I, when I have a trip is you had to book flights, then you had to find somewhere to stay and then you have expenses on the ground.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: I stagger my thing months apart.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: So if I had to fly in November, I would try and book the flights in August and then book the Airbnb or the hotel in September and then October I would look to request some years from the bank in cash, just to make sure that I'm not paying anything in November, because while I'm over there I need to have my credit card just in case.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Right, both in case of emergency and the kind of requests people make here.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: I made a lot of promises.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: If people pass for their first choice, right, and it's coming back to bite me, let these children go any school they want to go, all these schools, good, don't promise them nothing when you see it come to their first try, something.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: It could get dangerous, right, but it's a constant dance with us and trying to figure out when us could be available and how much you could have and how much you could spend on all these kind of things.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: So I was relieved when uncle Steve said that, but I was a little surprised when I heard Hyatt say this, even though I never really checked what exchange they do it in.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: I suppose when I go by Hyatt in the restaurant I want to say that when you get the bill, either by the bar or the restaurant or whatever, I want to say that the bill has come with a US figure but probably with a TT conversion.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm not sure, and I'm pretty sure they will accept a links card by the restaurant.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: And when they say they're going cashless, I kind of assume people will be cashless and hired because I have bills so high that I will never have enough cash to pay a bill when I have lunch by the head never.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: So I would need my card anyway.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: But going cashless versus not accepting tt is obviously two different things, right, it's obviously two different things.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: So the gm come out and say that the statement was premature.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, he made the statement in an email response.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Inquiries to the.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Uh from the express a message regarding cashless payment options that uh hired regency trend.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: That hotel was prematurely distributed with inaccurate information.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: At this time we will not be implementing any changes to our payment process.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: We wish to apologize for any confusion or inconvenience.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Of course the social media people jump on it immediately, right With Double Palm saying hey, don't worry, bring your TT here.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Double Palm should also say if we go cashless, plenty people in this country in problems Double Palm have no choice but to accept cash, even if it's US.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: Even if it's US, what man not doing is paying.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: A woman is paid by Double Palm.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: What man not doing is paying with a card in no palms hotel, nothing that ending with palms at all.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: And I see uh tgi come out and say we accepting any currency.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: I don't expect that hire to change.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: I was a little surprised at this and, um, I believe they will try to go cashless, as as many many people trying to do now.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: I mean as individuals or as consumers.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: I trying to go cashless, I kind of halfway going cashless already.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it's so bad that I had to.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: The other day I had to kind of put put some money in my phone case.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: I should be saying this like probably be some money in my phone case, like a 20 or 100 or something, because I went to a funeral the other day.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to church every week but when I funeral the other day, when I come I know, um the collection, I can't put nothing in the collection.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: That's always happened to me.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: You know, every time I reach collection in church I had to be looking up and looking around.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't watch nobody in the face, although I never have cash.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: So I don't think hyatt will move.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: It would be very, very surprising if Hyatt moves to the point where they only accept US or only accept foreign currencies.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: And if this was a test.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes in this social media age right, we were talking about this in class over the weekend In this digital age, sometimes PR people could be testing the waters by putting a part of a decision online and then saying we get hacked or we get, um, somebody puts it out prematurely or those kind of things.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: So maybe it's one of them things where they still have discussions going on and somebody decide all right, well, here what we go leak piece of this, see where's the temperature, and then decide on it.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: It's an easy way to work these days, with digital transformation being what it is, you could just clean it up, say get hacked, say sorry, we make a mistake.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know who put this out there.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: My hired insider tell me it could be political mischief too is a election here.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: But as we get out of here, as we get out of here, uh, we are back in the zone of trinidad and tobago.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Soccer warriors, football.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Right, we are still under a caretaker coach in Derek King.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Right, I can see if it's going.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: It's Derek King.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Rumors have swirled and circulated that Dwight York is to be named the next coach.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Right, remember that after the last two games, which are the important games to us in this Caribbean Nations League, is the name of it Woosa?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: We're running into this with our caretaker coach.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: It is my suspicion that after these two games, which I'm I I as as a avid fan and believer in the team, I don't see these two games going well for us.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: I don't see us going much further in this coming.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: I hate to talk like this about soccer warriors.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: You know, usually I come in here overly optimistic, but I learn and I learn them a lesson the hard way.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Let me read from what the cnc tree saying right, which is very surprising to me.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: Just over one year since his last appearance for the tnc senior men's football team, kevin molyneux and jovin jones, both former captain of silco warriors, are back in national colors for this country's two matches in the group b of the conquer calf nations league against cuba.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: The equality duo for the CONCACAF Nations League against Cuba.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: The equality duo for the October 10th and 14th matches was hinted at by TNT interim coach Derek King when he spoke to reporters during a training session with a local group of players at the Hazard Club for the stadium on Mucarapu on Thursday.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: The Soka Warriors currently have one point after two matches in the 16 round-robin group after a 4-0 away loss to Honduras and an even more hurtful my words 0-0 home draw against French Guyana in Tobago.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: They will meet Cuba in Havana on Thursday and then host the same opponents in Dwight York Stadium on Monday.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: So by the time I'm talking to you again, we probably have results for at least the first game.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Right, king on Saturday announced a 23-man roster for this country.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Two upcoming CONCACAF League Nation matches away to Cuba on October 10th in Bacolet and 14th right Attend striker Levi Garcia is not available, having just returned to play from injury.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: Garcia was a 66-something.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: So the point I'm making is this we didn't look good in the first two legs.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: Right In our way game.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: We looked good for two minutes and then was in shambles against Honduras and we just never looked threatening in our nil-nil game to French guy and we had a few chances we should have taken.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: We didn't take them and then what we see for the rest of the game is a very, very average game of football on both ends.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Now, if you all remember, there was some falling out very, very early in the campaign.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: Angus even he decided that molyneux and these fellas not on the team.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: No more molyneux amongst his retirement and he coming back.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I am a big supporter of kevin molyneux.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: I think he is this era's best soccer warriors footballer.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: He scores more goals to the country than anybody else.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: When he on the field, the team is make a big difference.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Same could have said for alvin jones and joven jones, who.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: I was disappointed when I see molyneux and jones no longer in the mix.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: But this match is thursday, right, this is thursday.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: You're hearing this on tuesday or later than that, right.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: By the time you're hearing this match could be done last week, thursday, which was one week away from the game I was exactly in a project pro still to project pro and coach paul right, that's zachary in a football clinic.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Remember when you used to go harvard's and thing long time you used to walk from St James and go Harvard.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: You know what was?
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: It was a football club.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: All used to play in all area and everything.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: But you used to go Harvard and I have Zachary in Project Pro.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: So when I draw I develop a habit over the years because at that time I used to drop Zachary to Taekwondo right, this was by Sir Paul, so little Sir Paul and Sump right, all these Sump people and press men who know Sir Paul right and I used to drop him by Sir Paul and then drive around to Puff and Stuff People don't know where Puff and Stuff Bakery is and get myself some quiche, some tuna pie, two currants roll and I turn over and I bought three juice to wash down that with right.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: And then I drop asleep in the car waiting for this man to finish Taekwondo for one hour, right.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: And then I started to realize, wait, no, the kind of weight you're putting on my shoulders and them buttons and tights, you know what I mean.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: I'm in a mess.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: When you see, I said but what can we do?
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: with you.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: So from then I decided that listen, when I drop in Zachary to do things that I can't really drop him and pay that hour, I just wait there for him.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: I go in and do something constructive.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: I go in and do something physical too.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: So I used to leave Sir Paul where he is in Sumat Gardens and walk over to Hundred Steps and the Big Hill and make some Big Hill and make some Hundred Steps.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, ever since that must be 10 years ago, and I'm thanking myself 10 years ago for making that decision.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: I ain't the fittest, but I ain't tuna puff and quiche kind of fat.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Neither you know what I mean Somewhere in between.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: So since then that's what I do.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: So, of course, if Project Pro isn't King George and I want to stop saying King George, right?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Somebody reminded me the other day that I come here and advocate for the change of names of places and then continue to proceed to say King George all the time Nelson Mandela Park, right, when I drop in Nelson Mandela Park, I look for a park, get into his practice, lace up my shoes and walk around the park as much times as I could.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: I had a goal for this year to make sure that I'm taking at least 7,000 steps a day.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: Right, I couldn't get to the 10.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get to the 10.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: But I had a goal for 7,000, and I'll be in October and I'm well on target for my goal, right?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to tell you if I can exceed my goal.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: At this point in time I want to shift my goal to 8,000.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: Let me see if I can get up to 8,000.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm proud of myself for sticking with this for so long.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: It's hard to find time to walk every day, but one thing I show about is, on a Tuesday and a Tuesday, when I drop off Zachary Nelson Mandela he playing football I walk in.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: So I go in and get 10, 12, 13,000 steps on a Tuesday and Thursday.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: So last week, tuesday, I did what I and the whole park was full because Project Pro playing in Nelson Mandela Park City FC, which is Queens Park, you team them playing on the next side.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: So it's always a struggle to get a park right, Park it close enough to where the football is.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: But I get my park and I start to walk, lace up my boots and I start walking.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: As I walk, a lady was in front of me and my first thought was right.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: I stayed with this woman for the whole two hours.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: Right, the train is from four, I passed four to about half six or so.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: I was staying with this woman.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Boy, that woman, take off at her pace.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: I want to tell you something.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: She ain't looking like no athlete.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: She ain't looking, but she walking fast.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: So I now going into flagman fast walk mode.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: If you see how fast I'm trying to walk and this woman getting smaller and smaller in the distance, I said, nah, boy, because every time I listen to a new book from Malcolm Gladwell and I'm so sucked in right, it's revenge at the tipping point I'm so sucked in that sometimes I forget to walk fast.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: So eventually I pick up the pace and think I say, right, this is it.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: It's impossible for me to not catch her if I walk in my fastest and little mean to not catch her if I walk in my fastest and little by little by little I catch up with a woman and I pass that woman.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: I think I know I time in everybody walking around the park.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: My goal is to be the fastest man walking around the park.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: So whatever point I see you at if you come in towards me.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: My goal is to meet you at a earlier point on every lap I make.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: Guess who I see walking around the park.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Last week, tuesday this is one week away from a national game in a tournament that matter.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: It's the great Kevin Molino.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: I can't make this up.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: I can't make this up.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: His son also in Project Pro.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: So I foolishly assume that he come to drop his son and he make a pact with himself 10 years ago that say listen, when I come to drop something, I go and walk too, because he walking, he walking cool, you know, he not, he not, he not in fitness mode, he like me, he just trying to gain me 10 000 steps.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: He like me walking around and I'm walking at a pace something and I try not.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: I say, all right, let me see, not molly, I'm national athlete, so I'm gonna meet here at a different point in the park earlier every time and it was happening for a good few laps and then eventually I realized like he picked up the pace.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: So now at his tempo he's going in one direction, I'm going in the next one and I'm in a silent competition.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: He doesn't even know I exist by in a silent competition with him and maybe in the end, in the last lap or two, I see him start to jog at a glacial pace.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: I'll say that, as much as I love kevin molina as one of my heroes in trinidad football, one of the greatest trinidad and tobago footballers ever, he is not fit, he is unfit.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: At least he look fitter than me.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: But I know if you fit to be out there and you feel at this point it's not boy, listen.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: And this is who mr king King is putting his stakes on.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: Given his track record and so on, I expect that he will start and Cuba is not no easy team for Trinidad and Tobago to beat coming and going, and I'm very, very worried, I'll tell you the truth.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: So whatever happens in these two games, I'm a die-hard warrior, right, so you ain't going to hear me bad-talking soccer warriors.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: I think regional competition is important for us to win.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: I also believe we suffer from the fact that we don't have a domestic competition.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: So we're going to field 11 men and have a good portion of them not playing in any serious domestic league.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: That is a major disadvantage to us.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: But I will be up late in the night, eye burning and think I can stay up late and I'll be up watching them games at the time and our warriors, as always, have a hundred percent of my support, assuming that molyneux might be fit.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: But maybe an athlete could get real fit in a week time and maybe joven jones fit like a fiddle.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: So they will play off one another and sign each other and we will get to some semblance of good football and win these next two games.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: But, as I said, what do I know about football?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: I really come here to play Kaissou about regional togetherness and unity.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: I don't care about regional tournaments, I just care about regional unity.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: And since we're celebrating St Lucia, it's only right that I play a St Lucian artist Name of the song O Caribbean, we can be strong.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 8: Unite as one.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 8: Oh Caribbean, oh Caribbean.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 8: We can stand tall and never fall.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 8: Don't worry To cause me no pain, no pain, no pain, never, never.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 8: Do nothing to harm me again, harm me again, harm me again, stop Harm me again, stop being solidarity.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 8: Show love to everybody who is a Lucian Bajan, jamaican, grenadian, vincentian, trinidadian, guyanese.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 8: I don't want to hear Noese.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 8: I don't want to hear, no, I don't want to hear, because we made the same trip, as Starling said, on the same ship, and then we come down here On the sea rocks, and then we made a slip, slip into attitudes that don't do us any good.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 8: Why can't we live the way we should, the way we should?
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: I say oh Caribbean, oh Caribbean.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: We can be strong, unite as one.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: Oh Caribbean, oh Caribbean.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 8: A passport is necessary.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 8: Why we accept a driver's license from Indian people?
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 8: Why make traveling so hard?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 8: Why treat my brother bad?
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 8: Oh, he's an Indian, syrian, african, black man, bok man, chinese, portuguese.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 8: I don't want to hear.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 8: No, I don't want to hear, because in this modern day, everybody has something to say and in democracy, everybody must have a say.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 8: This new Caribbean is nothing but a neighborhood.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 8: Why can't we live the way we should, the way we should.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 8: Oh Caribbean, oh Caribbean.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 8: We can be strong.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: Unite us one, oh Caribbean, oh Caribbean, unite us one, oh Caribbean, oh Caribbean.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: We can stand tall and never fall.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 8: And both sides Is not all that we got.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: There is plenty Rice in Ghana, believe it or not, look after one another, thank you.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 8: Now I want to hear yes.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 8: Now I want to hear that we go hand in hand and we could tell that WTO Now we trade as one, block Everything that we sell and grow.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 8: Yes, make the future better for the next generation and show them at last we come as one one Caribbean.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 8: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh oh oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh oh, oh oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: I bet you know who it is.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: Right, the theme of the episode is Caribbean music, right, but just so to make sure that you know who we're talking about and when you're playing St Lucia artists.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: And if you feel you don't know St Lucia artists, you can tell me if you know this as we close.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: Re-hi Nivamere.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 8: She came down for cup over.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: I had to take over.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 8: I went down Guyana.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 8: I checked, eddie Brother, I had a food dose.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 8: I had a good dose.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: Came back to Baredo.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 8: Came back to Baredo when I pass the savannah.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: When I pass the savannah.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 8: I raise up the bumper.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 8: I raise up the bumper, I shove up the mortar.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: I shove up the mortar, boy, what's the matter?
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 8: Boy, what's the matter?
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 8: Just give me some water.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 8: Just give me some water.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 8: When I pass the savannah, just give me castava, me body and fire.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: Boy, it was the matter.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: When I pass the savannah, she ball for Boabande.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 8: She started out baby, are you running or wheelie?
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 8: She came down for cup over.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 8: I had to take over.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 8: I went down Guyana.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 8: I checked at the brother.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 8: I had a foodhouse.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 8: I went down Guyana.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 8: I check Eddie Brother, I had a voodoo.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 8: Came back to Barbados.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: When I pass the savannah.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 8: Just give me cassava Me, body on fire.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 8: Check cabareta Me body on fire, me, body on fire.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 8: Check a barita.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 8: Check a barita.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: When I pass the savannah.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 8: When I pass the savannah, I rev up the engine.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 8: I rev up the engine.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 8: Just give me buabante.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: Just give me buabante.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 8: Are you running a wheelie?
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 8: Are you running a wheelie?
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 8: Just give me buabante.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 8: Just give me buabante.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 8: When she say the drink.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 8: When she say the drink, she's a coldy, no baby.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: She's a coldy, no baby.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 8: Are you running or really?
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 8: Are you running or really?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 8: When I pass the savannah?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: When I pass the savannah.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 8: I check cabaret.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 8: I check cabaret, I wet up the muffler.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 8: I wet up the muffler.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: Hey, you'll have a good week, a safe week, A productive week.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: We're back to having full weeks.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: Now when is the next show we kill?
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: We're still in the heart of the Calypso History Month On the podcast.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Every month is Calypso History Month, you don't stray from Calypso Instruments around these parts.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: I had a good day.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Oli, have a good week.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: I had a good day.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Have a safe week Back to Babedo, have a productive week Back to Babedo, and I will see Oli around the same time.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 8: What's the time?
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: now, next week, bye.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 8: I had a good day.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: Me body on fire, just give me some water.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: I jacked radiator.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: I jacked radiator.