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The Sovereign Magician | Self-Initiation in the Age of AI & Psyops w/ Nick of The Occult Rejects · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: What does it mean to be the sovereign magician?
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  Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is the idea of
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  Speaker 4: what does it mean just to allow life to kind
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  Speaker 4: of unveil teachings to and through that way picking up
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  Speaker 4: the breadcrumbs and going through life and experiencing all that
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  Speaker 4: what may be of it, may be taking on institutionalized things,
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  Speaker 4: maybe not, and trying to understand and become actually human
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  Speaker 4: apotheosis and to break into these secrets of the illuminatias.
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  Speaker 4: One would say, I have next to me the great
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  Speaker 4: cardinal electric head, the occult read Jack himself. Nick, thank
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  Speaker 4: you for joining me on this fine evening.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me on again. Like I
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  Speaker 2: always love having you on the show and always love
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  Speaker 2: coming on you. It's always agreed to it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's brilliant. And I feel like there's no better
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  Speaker 4: person to have this conversation tonight with than with you
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  Speaker 4: for many reasons, because as individuals on our path, magic
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  Speaker 4: has been one that is basically been all encompassing, no
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  Speaker 4: matter if we were aware of it or not. Would
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  Speaker 4: you agree, yeah, yeah, yeah, And then as well as
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  Speaker 4: your own experiences is going within a lodge and out,
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's always so interesting these lodges, which
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  Speaker 4: I think are very important in one right and also
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  Speaker 4: interesting enough goes the way of the Dodo bird, as
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  Speaker 4: the institution shall is no matter how long they hold on,
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  Speaker 4: are can also be interesting enough, very gatekeeper, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I agree, that was even like you know,
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  Speaker 2: some of my reasons for leaving the OTO too. I
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  Speaker 2: felt like that might have been a situation, so I
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  Speaker 2: toldally about that. But it is definitely, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely an lodge. Life is definitely an experience in
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  Speaker 2: its own Yes, yes, and.
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  Speaker 4: I do think it's really important and so upon these
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  Speaker 4: you know, podcasts, these verbal diaries, these interests that have
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  Speaker 4: come to us and you know, interesting enough. Sometimes in
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  Speaker 4: our experience, a lot of us don't have the ability
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  Speaker 4: to maybe go to places not living in near major cities,
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  Speaker 4: or maybe these major cities don't have these things, or
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  Speaker 4: if they do, it doesn't align due to certain post
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  Speaker 4: modern or interesting chaotic times that we all find ourselves in,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like like there seems to
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  Speaker 4: be interesting enough. Like when we talk about institutions, it's
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  Speaker 4: like when you graduate high school, you know, because for
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  Speaker 4: like high school and elementary school, you're just born into something, right,
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  Speaker 4: and then you have a school around you, and most
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  Speaker 4: of the time you have to travel too far, and
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  Speaker 4: then you learn a certain curriculum to have certain things
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  Speaker 4: to attain to, right. Most of them are just mechanical,
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  Speaker 4: like you learn how to get a job, kind of
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  Speaker 4: not really, and you learn how to interact socially, interact
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  Speaker 4: as well as to take authority. And interesting enough, our schools,
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  Speaker 4: if you go to a private or most likely a
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  Speaker 4: public school, is kind of framed like a prison, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean, And so the learning isn't always
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  Speaker 4: the best place for that kind of learning because of
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  Speaker 4: the people around you. But then you move on from there,
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes some of us go to college. Some of
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  Speaker 4: us just move away and it is the great leap
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  Speaker 4: into the unknown. But after that, I feel like there
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  Speaker 4: is something left over. And most of our liberal arts
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  Speaker 4: after high school don't actually follow through with teaching us
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  Speaker 4: the seven the quadrivium, you know what I mean. It's
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  Speaker 4: like to learn the quadrivium and the trivial, try try
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  Speaker 4: trivere tate soul. These the certain ways to interact, not
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  Speaker 4: just that mechanical trying to produce as this empire seems
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  Speaker 4: to want us produce. But in the old times, like
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  Speaker 4: in the academy and many schools like Lysium, many schools
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  Speaker 4: like it, they were trying to also teach you higher
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  Speaker 4: levels of reason upon that getting into what they call
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  Speaker 4: the logos and noose.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would even say back in the day, I
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  Speaker 2: mean the whole education system is completely different. I meant,
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  Speaker 2: when you would look at the like you know, Renaissance times,
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  Speaker 2: everybody was like a polymath. Yeah, you know, Like again
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  Speaker 2: I said that reason I have the cult rejects multiple
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  Speaker 2: people in there because I ain't no polymath, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I would like to try to be, but I get
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  Speaker 2: everybody else on to try to commit one total, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I'll be honest. I I never
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  Speaker 2: went to college, so I couldn't tell you what it's like.
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  Speaker 2: But there was even stuff that, like when I got
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  Speaker 2: into a cult, even like Platonism and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, would you even like come across this
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  Speaker 2: unless you specified this in college. I just feel like
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  Speaker 2: there's like certain basics that I feel like you should
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  Speaker 2: even be known or learn before you get into college
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  Speaker 2: should almost kind of bring you here in a sense.
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  Speaker 2: I would think, like, if you get into platonism, you're
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  Speaker 2: like one notch a way, you know, or even philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: You get into any philosophy, how you know how close
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  Speaker 2: you are to teetering on?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so close, you know, close you are to not
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  Speaker 4: even hitting it at all. And that's part of my issue.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people that I went to philosophy classes with,
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  Speaker 4: right because I you know, going to school.
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  Speaker 2: For that, they won't even see it at all.
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  Speaker 4: No, a lot of times, like you do in your
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  Speaker 4: history of philosophy courses, Like you will take courses that
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  Speaker 4: then teach you like for a week or two or
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  Speaker 4: maybe a semester a few different philosophers, and you'll hear
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  Speaker 4: about these things. But if unless you dig deeper to
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  Speaker 4: try to truly get under and so this is another
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  Speaker 4: part of the conversation. Then is the exoteric to esoteric
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  Speaker 4: understanding of these things? And when you the exoteric layer
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  Speaker 4: is just trying to get you in and out and
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  Speaker 4: like try you know, and that esoteric layer is when
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  Speaker 4: you finally dig deep enough to realize that this is
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  Speaker 4: talking about something that can change your life and how
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  Speaker 4: you accord that life forever and so like I would
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  Speaker 4: state that new Platonism is barely talked about in college,
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  Speaker 4: depending upon which college you go to as well. So
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of variables.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, far like all that stuff should be included. Like
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  Speaker 2: even if you did liberal arts, I feel like that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I mean, if you go
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  Speaker 2: by how people learned in the past, like I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Just no, yeah, no, I completely agree. And so that's
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  Speaker 4: why the subject is so important, is because the institution
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  Speaker 4: has its rising and falling in its cycles, just like
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  Speaker 4: the seasons do, and we can find them in accordance
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  Speaker 4: and have metaphors and algories to go with that. And
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  Speaker 4: so in a time of place, the institution did do that.
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  Speaker 4: The academic institution and a lot of other institutions helped
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  Speaker 4: breed people in and out. But in our day and age,
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  Speaker 4: it seems like just like you know, it's almost like
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  Speaker 4: a relating it to the patriarch, not the patriarchy as
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  Speaker 4: in like a six society in that way, or the
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  Speaker 4: one that more of the more liberal aspects want to
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  Speaker 4: try to to fame. But this this idea of the
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  Speaker 4: the Abrahamic traditions and how kings rule over a land
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  Speaker 4: has come too far and all of a sudden, instead
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  Speaker 4: of like a harmonious king, you've got a tyrant king
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  Speaker 4: who rules over the entire land. And when they do that,
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  Speaker 4: they hold on for so long that it basically squeezes
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  Speaker 4: the life out of everything around it. And that's kind
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  Speaker 4: of what I see in our society. And so it's
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  Speaker 4: interesting that I'm trying to talk about how very platonic
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  Speaker 4: understanding of how the republic has its three levels of
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  Speaker 4: the human soul and so does the society around it,
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  Speaker 4: and you try to find that in harmony to then
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  Speaker 4: like the platonic forms, if you have a sick society,
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  Speaker 4: then you're going to have sick institutions. How far does
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  Speaker 4: that sickness go? Does it even deem into the esoteric?
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so that's something that I think about a lot,
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  Speaker 4: and I want everyone else to start thinking about these
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  Speaker 4: things too out there, which is why then I even
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  Speaker 4: bring it up. And so if you haven't thought about
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  Speaker 4: these things, make sure you come over to Magus in
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  Speaker 4: the media and subscribe like and cherit if you haven't
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  Speaker 4: done that already, because that's the only way we can
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  Speaker 4: make sure these kind of topics get brought up in
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  Speaker 4: the public sphere. The occult Rejects is one of them
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  Speaker 4: as well. And you all know where to find Cardinal
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  Speaker 4: electric Head himself.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. That was a great plug. I like that.
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  Speaker 4: And so when we move along in this thing, it's
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  Speaker 4: the idea is most of us here are an aspiring,
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  Speaker 4: are a practicing, or are whatever after it is you
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  Speaker 4: practice magic, right, you know, It's like, what does advanced
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  Speaker 4: even mean. I've been doing martial arts for twenty years,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I've been teaching it for half of that,
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  Speaker 4: and I you know, when people are like, well he's
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  Speaker 4: an expert, and I'm all like, I don't know. I've
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  Speaker 4: trained for a long time. I don't like the title,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And so I, you know, because I have
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  Speaker 4: teachers who've taught me, who then I would deem to
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  Speaker 4: be experts and masters in their art. And so it's
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  Speaker 4: like hard for me to.
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  Speaker 2: I see what I know exactly what you mean? Like,
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  Speaker 2: when I know somebody better and I would call them
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  Speaker 2: an expert, how to call myself an expert?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that doesn't mean I, you know,
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  Speaker 4: don't know what I'm doing. And this is why this
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  Speaker 4: thought continues continues to come up in my mind, is
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  Speaker 4: because it's the same thing as like, same thing I've
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  Speaker 4: been talking about with David Beth, Angel Miller and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of these people, interesting enough that I'm seeing the
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  Speaker 4: through line in their work. David Beth especially, is like
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  Speaker 4: there is something about that which is always there and
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  Speaker 4: never ends, right, this tradition beyond or within a tradition
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  Speaker 4: that's secretly being hinted hidden by these institutions. The Golden
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  Speaker 4: Dawn teaches it. You know, Freemasonry is always searching for
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  Speaker 4: the lost keys and the hidden word, and there's many
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  Speaker 4: allegories through time, and so it's interesting enough there's that
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  Speaker 4: same golden thread there is a true tradition to follow
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  Speaker 4: because I don't because I don't like to fall into
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  Speaker 4: the chaos magic realm where it's like a fucking free
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  Speaker 4: for all and then nobody knows where their lineages are
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  Speaker 4: coming from. You know, have you seen that on here?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, bro, you interview so many fucking people. How
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  Speaker 4: long have you been doing this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh, I've been doing it for five years. But
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  Speaker 2: I'd even say I probably saw it worse in my
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  Speaker 2: face when I was in the OTO or the Matter
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  Speaker 2: community before I started podcasting. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and
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  Speaker 2: I hate to say that's kind of a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: That was something I almost kind of had an issue
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  Speaker 2: with the OTO with. I do respect, and i'd be
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  Speaker 2: the same way all right, have at it. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to tell you what to do and what not
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  Speaker 2: to do. I mean, I'll even keep it real. That's
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  Speaker 2: even with like people on the show. If I have
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  Speaker 2: problems with them as being in a occult reject, I'm
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  Speaker 2: never going to tell them to change. That's who you are.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm not going to tell
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  Speaker 2: you to change. I just s're not welcome here anymore.
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  Speaker 2: You don't fit. You know what I'm saying. I would
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  Speaker 2: never tell someone to change because I feel like that
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  Speaker 2: Stu's getting into like fascism and then I'm taking someone's
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  Speaker 2: will away.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, Yeah, because you know the stupidity. You can't tell
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  Speaker 4: somebody to change it no matter what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, Yes, yeah, exactly, like that's you. Like, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's like me getting a girlfriend in
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  Speaker 2: the hopes that can change her and mold her to
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  Speaker 2: like yeah, it's fucking silly. So yeah, I I was
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  Speaker 2: a little upset with I guess with how they just
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  Speaker 2: I feel like there needs to be you know this,
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  Speaker 2: this is the problem. Either people don't really who run
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  Speaker 2: these things may not actually really truly know at a
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  Speaker 2: lower level, like at the lodge, maybe not at the
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  Speaker 2: top level, maybe really don't know what the fuck magic
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  Speaker 2: really is. It really just does have like very basics
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  Speaker 2: or you know, things that they're doing. The candle magic
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  Speaker 2: and the little talisman to get whatever you want throughout
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  Speaker 2: the day is good enough, and that's what magic is.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like these places really don't prepare you
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  Speaker 2: or really going to the in depths of like what
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  Speaker 2: it could happen or what to expect or because they're
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  Speaker 2: so worried about keeping certain secrets about certain things.
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  Speaker 4: MM.
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  Speaker 2: And I just even after that, you know, I just
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  Speaker 2: when I had my experience with magic outside of the OTO,
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, what the fuck they couldn't have
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  Speaker 2: told me like a little bit more about like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I just felt like there could have been
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more talk about things.
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  Speaker 4: No, I think that's really important. I think that's so important,
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  Speaker 4: And so that goes down to the my I want
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  Speaker 4: to split off into two things. And the first thing
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  Speaker 4: is too why I like Alistair Crowley so much? And
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I've been talking about him a lot
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  Speaker 4: lately because.
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  Speaker 2: The cover of the guy, I was like, fucking at
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  Speaker 2: this point, fuck it, I'll put out a two plotter.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody can hate me, uh huh.
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  Speaker 4: And interesting. I think it's hilarious because there's so much
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  Speaker 4: misinformation and in something you and I have talked about
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  Speaker 4: a lot about, like if you were back in that
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  Speaker 4: day and age, most likely, you know, like the people
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  Speaker 4: around here would be more fucking bass awkwards than he
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  Speaker 4: ever was the reason a lot of the bad press
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  Speaker 4: coming from his like enemies, people didn't understand symbolism and
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  Speaker 4: the coding he was using as well as he kind
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  Speaker 4: of was a term I like currently a pratt, you know,
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  Speaker 4: every once in a while it was he was a doucher,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 2: I totally think that guy actually shited on people control
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  Speaker 2: all the fuck is. I actually believe that, and I
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  Speaker 2: think it's just the way he said it. And when
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  Speaker 2: people look at especially Thelamites, when they look at it now,
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  Speaker 2: they don't take it as harsh as he was being.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because it's like, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have so many social justice thelemic social justice warriors if
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  Speaker 2: you really knew who Cruley probably was. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: there's words. I'll just keep it short. I had my
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  Speaker 2: ex Lisa that used to be on the show, went
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  Speaker 2: down to a library that had his, uh one of
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  Speaker 2: his books in handwritten notes. It was like before it
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  Speaker 2: was edited. That guy was dropping words in that book
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  Speaker 2: on the side with his notes that I'm sure if
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  Speaker 2: Thelamite saw, they'd be so shocked.
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  Speaker 4: Hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: Really Yeah, Yeah, that guy was a normal motherfucker like
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  Speaker 2: everybody else. Yeah, I know he had he had he
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  Speaker 2: had words that he used for certain types of people
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  Speaker 2: that people went and like nowadays.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, the cultural relativism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't perfect in that way, and now all
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  Speaker 2: you got is social justice warriors for the Lima. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's very fascinating and it's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: He was the biggest shit talker himself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they kind of drop those types of things.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's really interesting because it kind of
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  Speaker 4: takes the magical way what it means to embody a
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  Speaker 4: practice and change through time because his work changed so much,
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  Speaker 4: and one of them, you know, I do like the
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  Speaker 4: main dictum of the AA and his Philima. I don't
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  Speaker 4: even know if I term it being of like Felima,
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  Speaker 4: but the greater lodge of AA, the idea of you know,
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  Speaker 4: magic is for all.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was even he said that in magic and
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  Speaker 2: theory and practice that salesman anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right, and so interesting enough. Then a lot of
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  Speaker 4: times we forget then the first beginning parts of you know,
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  Speaker 4: his and the unfortunes and the way they describe magic.
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  Speaker 4: And I really like it, and so why you know,
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  Speaker 4: I have my own terms as well, manly p Hall
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  Speaker 4: call you know, the understanding of understanding manipulating the forces
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  Speaker 4: natural forces of nature. It's more of a manly p
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  Speaker 4: Hall right, or Croley's being the science and art of
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  Speaker 4: causing change into conformity to your will. And then through time,
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  Speaker 4: which is this is why I framing it this way
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  Speaker 4: through time. Then it gets to the fifties and sixties
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  Speaker 4: and seventies with people like Timothy Leary, who did think
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  Speaker 4: that he was even if he meant it allegorically the
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  Speaker 4: reincarnation of Alistair Crowley and continuing his great work. And
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  Speaker 4: he was doing that with his techniques of consciousness change,
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  Speaker 4: because that is exactly what they thought Crowley was doing.
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  Speaker 4: Is magic is then one tool for techniques of consciousness change.
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  Speaker 4: And so my next step is to have the understanding
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  Speaker 4: of what a David Beth and this more embodied of
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  Speaker 4: like why I think kung fu or an embodied practice
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  Speaker 4: is so important, why yoga in his is so important.
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  Speaker 2: Is because he trussed the fuck out of that. He
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  Speaker 2: actually kind of helped them reinvigorated. Honestly, yeap because of
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  Speaker 2: Alan Alan Bennett. Some people don't want to hear this,
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  Speaker 2: but yo, even Tarow kind of got reinvigorated from him.
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  Speaker 2: Ah hundred people don't like to hear that, but especially
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  Speaker 2: Wicka wouldn't exist if it wasn't for him.
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  Speaker 4: And so these are a bunch of beautiful offshootings again,
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  Speaker 4: other things that take on the secret teachings of the
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  Speaker 4: Adamship through the ages, and Crowley being one of that.
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  Speaker 4: Because the why I bring it up is because the
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: idea of the sovereign magician, and that is he is
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: because of him, he has bred more sovereign magicians through
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: this landscape. Because he also was the teacher of Israel Regardi,
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: who was his secretary for a long time, who then
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: published the Golden Dawn papers right in his big black
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: brick book. And that's right, that's fascinating because a lot
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: of people were very upset by that.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say something about, like even
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: with if people want to look at, you know, with Crowley,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I find that funny the way. Again, I'm not trying
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to stick up with this dude. I guess I am
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: it a little bit, But again, I'm not trying to
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: put them up on a pedestal. I'm just putting it
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: into a frame of reference here. Conspiracy theorists was to
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: look at what this guy was doing back in the
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds when he was basically coming out and
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: saying the occult magic is real. Everybody should have it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: The churches are fucking you, the government's fucking you. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: here's exactly what they use with these documents and all
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: these papers I'm not supposed to publish. I'm gonna put
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: them out so you learn how to do the shit too.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: The guy sounds like a fucking conspiracy theorist. Yeah, yo
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: say it. It's just like yo, like do people not
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: even realize like how that all went down. Yeah, and
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: then people at Tribute like the pentagram and the hexagram
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: ripped ritual that he published from the Golden Dorn is his.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: That's like a whole other thing. Then he gets slapped
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: with all this shit that's not even his shit.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Very true. No, that's that's fascinating.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, if you really think about it,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, that guy published shit he wasn't supposed.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: To publish in his equinoxes through what is it papers
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: which are fascinating, and you know, to actually buy them
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: and owe them is like thousands of thousands of dollars.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: That's why I like, in my younger years, I you know,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: thank God, when the Internet first started out everything you
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: could get everything in a PDF. I had a friend
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: give me a nice like red thumb drive, very small,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: like five gigabytes maybe, but it held like all of
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Crowley's stuff, Regardi's raveend, Anton Wilson's, Timothy Leary's, and I say,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: I understand that. So this is this is something that
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: keeps coming up and I don't you know, and obviously
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: it's because of what I'm trying to get at is
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: how our nervous system interacts with the world through the
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: body and how we take on imprints right, and how
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of this ancient technology like Kaive and I
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: talked about in our last stream with the black mirrors,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: are now being are the same technology in a different
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: form that we have in our cell phones and the
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: screens that we are interacting with the world, and a
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: lot of you know what I'm saying.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I just I just finished editing and uploaded. I even
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: uploaded the second part today where I go into two
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: part series on the mechanics of magic with the wardrobe,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and the last part I actually totally switch it over
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: and even show you how your fucking phone is doing
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: that job now, yeah, exactly, even with the way that
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: we scroll, it keeps a fucking tempo sometimes.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, fascinating.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And that's the ship that gets everybody out into the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: streets doing dumb shit. That's the thing that gets them
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: going yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: It's putting us into the sympathetic state by agitating our
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: olympics system thus which interacts with every simp system. We
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: have lymphatic, hormonal, you know, circulatory respiratory in our which
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: then how this is what's so fascinating, Why people this
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: isn't the same, This is the same subject that we're
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: getting at, is this sovereign magician. But what it means
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: to be a magician if we understand that we must
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: use our will, you know, to to manipulate and change,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: you know, the world, both in science and art and
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: causing this change in the world. How do you cause
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: change in the world. Well, you're first you're manipulating your
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: own sense organs, which manipulates our perception, which then manipulates
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: the world.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believe Croley knew all that.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Of course he did.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I think that was why he pushed the bro yoga
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and the breathing so much.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Of course he did, because it has to.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Be No, I think he knew a lot more science
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and that guy ever put out.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the idea is why, And the why to
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: me is obvious through time. And the why is because
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: science is philosophy, is the esoteric mystical traditions. It's all integrated.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: And so when you're syncretizing these things, it's like bringing
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: them from the globe of our consciousness and putting them
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: within a melting pot. And then those teachings continue to
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: proliferate and through them there is this golden thread that
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: you can tap into which is the secret science of everything,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: and those same things are what's being used against us.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, this time exactly exactly. I think. Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you basically, if you want to have a magical experience,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you're going to have to take over your own nervous
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: system and become a control of it instead of lighting
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: all the outside stimulation, do it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so then it goes to this idea of
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: self initiation. But before we can even talk about what
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: that means, we're going back to the lodges because I
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: do want people to know who watch this again magazine.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: The media is about myth, magic and meaning in the
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: stories that we love, and the idea about these stories
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: is that they are coming from the world that we
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: are experiencing as it's experienced through all the levels of reality,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: and that's the subconscious, the collective unconscious, all the aspects
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: of every force of nature. Is like because the idea
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: is we're not material things that then sprouted an idea,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: but it was an idea that then formulated a body
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: to experience the material things with. And I think that's
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: a really important I think that's really important. I like
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: that in the sek I am interviewing Mark Booth in
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: a week or two, I think it's in a week.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And he has a series and it's the first one
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: is The Secret History of the World, and he first
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: published that under his pen name Jonathan Black. And then
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: the next one was The Secret History of the Sacred
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: basically of like all the Things, and he has one now,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: The Secret History of the Universe. He also did another
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: one about the Secret History of Dante. I think, and
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: this man is brilliant. And his first book, the Secret
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: History of the World, he's talking about that exact thing
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: is how we can view not just view the world
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: around us, but interact with it, with the magical worldview,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: with the worldview of what it means to think of
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the ideal first instead of the material first. And so
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: I think that's really fascinating because I think, then I wonder,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: and this is the question I elicit to the audience
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: as well as everybody else who's out there who's making
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: content or practicing being an artist a magician, because we
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: are first practitioneers and true artists. Like I said in
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: a post and I'll continue to post it, let's bring
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: magic back to the magician, back to art and the
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: artist back to magic.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: That's what Plato was going on about. Kind of he
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: was fast artists exactly. Yeah, I think yeah. I think
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that was his issue, is that there was no magic
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: in being an art being made anymore, which like technically
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: is like when you hear these conspiracy theory podcasts want
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: to tell people what occultism is, you have zero fucking clue.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And I do honestly think originally art was done by
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: people who had that experience. It was the way of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: them expressing it. And then eventually people just like I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: want to fit in or I can draw it good too,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: started making art and it just really wasn't expressing what
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: it was meant to.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: That's why I think he was. He wasn't trying to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: be a fucking crazy. I know, people want to call
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: him a fascist or communist or whatever.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: You think.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: He understood that we're watching something deteriorate.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: We are that's brilliant. That's what the republic is all about.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: And it's like people are like, well, I thought that, right, No,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: it is when.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: The philosophic kings are just people who had the experience
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and understand the right I mean the difference. Yeah, they
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: might actually understand the difference between good and evil better
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: than a regular person might.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree, especially because in the Platonic realm,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: evil is but the privation of the good.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so that means there is it's not a
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: dualistic worldview.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: No, it's just less good. It's less good, but it
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: can always be good for someone else. Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: And then that is the beauty of the Socratic method,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: because that's what the intralocutor does. What you just stated
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: is but that could be good for somebody else. That
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: is good? Is the moral something that can be dictated
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: by somebody else's perspective, That's all it is. So that
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: so that's interesting, Nick. Then the idea that Plato brings
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: up is the good then, isn't is based off the forms,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: which are more real than anything else. So it can't
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: just be a mere perspective. It has to be based
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: in some kind of objective morality or the good itself,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: which is in his realm, a level of the objective
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: of how to get to what truth is. And he
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: would say that, then if we're trying to mimic the
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: harmony of the spheres or the ideal of the forms,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: then good and you're trying to align your perspective to
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: the good. Thus, then we all can have a harmonious
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: state instead of what I think the postmodernists are saying
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: is what you just said is that it's if it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: all the good is whatever I think it is, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: then that's the problem of the postmodern era because then
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: we can't have true art, which if the magician is
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: making his art based off of the harmony of the world,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: then he is becoming a conduit for whatever the good
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: is or God or the forms. Thus can make magical
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: art instead of somebody else who doesn't understand that they
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: are but a connection of the divine. They get they
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: let their persona get in the way, and then they
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: basically slap a banana on the wall or a should
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: stain and they say that's good because that's my art.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: And now think about what that happens too. And this
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: isn't about lodgers, but this is about the opposite of that,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: the chaos magic, and why what my problem is with it,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: and that is my problem with it, is that then
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: if I'm doing whatever it is I want and not
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: honing my will through the mystical practices of yoga, meditation,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: and embodiment.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: This is the thing I find a problem with chaos
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: magic because I found myself almost slipping into this when
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I first started kind of getting interested in chaos magic.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Oh this is perfect, all the shit that I really
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: didn't want to have to learn too much about. I'll
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: just grab this from that, this from that, this from that,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: put it together. I'll never actually learn fucking any system. Yep.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Sometimes just like even as pamphlets, they're ensuring classifications and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I'm of omer there because this is known to work. Yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: so now if I only take a part of that,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is the point? Yeah? So no, I
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: even find with that is just like sometimes I think
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: chaos magic is a cheap way out of actually not
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: learning magic.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I completely agree. I couldn't have set up better myself.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly what I'm getting at in all of
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: this talk about trying to balance out these forces. And
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: if you are going too far to the extreme of
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: rebelling against the institutions, then we can't truly move on
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: from As Jin of the Great Gray Lodge and Threshold
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Saints would say, we cannot truly embody the aon of
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: the Daughter the movement of the AONs interesting enough, which
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: I hope the lodges and institutions and others don't just
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: throw aside. If we understand the cyclical nature of the
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: heavens as they move the earth, that then these things
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: we can embody AONs, just like the movement of the
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: yugas or whatever the Buddhists then call theirs. I can
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: never can remember. But we also, as Crowley stated, we
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: move through AONs like through Isis or Cyrus and then
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Horus the child and maybe that child is either two
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: in one right, if the child is mimicking even this
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: level of the embodiment of the Christos and the aon Sophia,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: which would be that aspect of the daughter, then maybe
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: after the conquering Sun goes in. And that's why, you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: it's fascinating enough to talk about this, because what are
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: we witnessing right now with disclosure, with Epstein, with AI.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't this be what it looks like for a conquering
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: sun to move the world.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I actually think that we're Yeah, I think we're actually
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: in some ways with the way that we're seeing shit happen.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I think we're totally moving into the aon of horrors. Yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: an idea if not it if not in it.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: And this is what it feels like, because it's an
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: eon of progression really.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Fast, exactly. And I do think AI is going to
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: be part of it. And I actually my opinion, part
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: of it is going to be not to pat ourselves
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: on the back, but a little bit of what we're
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: doing now. I think in the magical community or even
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: with the occult, how it's looked at in the world,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the old system isn't going to work too much anymore. Yes,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: you have to also think, like, you know, unfortunately, I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: mean I have said this on the show before anything happened,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: but I even said months ago, I said people only
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a cult community are going to start dying. He says,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it just is how it is. I said, people who
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: used to be known for having a voice are going
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to disappear, and new people are going to step in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and fill that. Yeah, And I honestly think, like, yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, I even mentioned, you know, joking around, I'd
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: love to Guy the guy on the show before it happens.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Even look at Lon Milo, Guy's getting fucking old. Man.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: You don't have too many faces left really representing thelimour
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Oto too much.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying, like the New Lot you know, for
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: real fucking book right here, and it's brilliant.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: No, his his Tarot book. I've heard great things about it,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and I would even his Cabala books I think are
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: fucking amazing, fantastic. But you know what I'm getting at
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: is I think we're going just because of time age.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And I do think listen, I don't know if it's reincarnation.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, if it's some sort
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: of soular ship, but I do think more people nowadays, well,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be more magicians popping up.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, almost like you can't help it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And I do think they're going to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: lead the way for the next We're gonna pick up
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the torch where it's being left, but we're not gonna
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: do it the same fucking way.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but taking And this is something I was conversing
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: about with Alan Chapman and others, and even today David
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: bet lightly with this idea, and he's been and that's
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: kind of where I like reheard it from. And this
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: is obvious, right, it's almost a galien. But your tas
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: it's not like you get rid of and I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: that's what's really important, is it's in a hybridized But
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: you know what, does William Blake say, you must you
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: must create your own system or be enslaved by another man's.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: And that's a poetic that's a poetic allegory for all
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: of us to understand that we if every magic is
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: for all right, every man and every woman is a.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Star everybody, and it's our god given right.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Actually it's your god given right. And so if that
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: is the dictum that I think the chaos magicians took
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: and ran with, forgetting that the method is science and
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: the aim is religion.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. So there did you get that? From?
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Where did I get?
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: But?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yo, that's what I think is going to be like.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Even again, not patting ourselves on the back, but we
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: do focus on science a lot more. Not too many
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: fucking people do that. Even academia is starting to get
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit more acknowledged in the cold community. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: was saying on somebody else's show, I guarantee you within
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: five to ten years, science is going to start catching
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: up on magic realpe fast.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: It can't help it. But because that's where science came
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: from and whereveryone came from we must always go back to.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: And it's not linear, it's not linear, and that's that's
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of problems with our thinking. Is then if
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: it's not linear, that means it's not from the material
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: to us. But the idea is ever present and lives
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: non locally, but then discovers that it needs itself and
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: it needs a physical experience to move forth and do
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: the stories of the Hindus and Buddha and all of
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: our beautiful mythic stories of the nothingness which is everything.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Thiss then sees itself that thus creating it's it's it's
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: like reflection, and then from its reflection creates all space
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: and time. And so this is again why with magas
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: in the media, I'm so much focusing on the mythological
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: structures of the embodied experience because it's not as as
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Joseph Campbell talked about, the myths live in our organs.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, I believe that in so many ways, actually.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: So many ways, and if we can understand it in
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: so many ways, that not getting locked within the Aristotilian syllogism,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: you know this this or the Aristotelian logic of this
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: is that and it is because that's how you you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: so Aristotle and I have a few books that Gearson
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: argues that Aristotle like so he interesting to go back
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: to philosophy. Is a lot of professors argue that Aristotle
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: hated or disliked or moved away from Platonism and created Aristotilianism. Right,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: that would then do exactly what they Kart did earlier,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: but in a different way. So Descartes creates his body
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: mind separation, his kogito from Aristotilianism basically. But I argue
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: and Gearson argues that actually the Harmonists in that time
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: frame were showing that. And if you read Aristotle's work
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: you can see he himself was a Platonist and then
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: writing it through his experience of trying to understand the world,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: taking on that aspect instead of the rational ideal realm,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: he knew where Platonism need to continue onward, so then
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: you could move a civilization through He created Alexander the Great.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Aristotle was the teacher of this guy, the warrior king
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: that then people like Peter Mark Adams would come to
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: realize in his.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: In his saturn. Oh you know I got to get
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: him back on again.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, you do Saturn the game of death. This book
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: is showing how this deck decoding the sola busca toroki,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: that this deck itself he studied for so long because
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: he realized that this Tarot deck wasn't quite like other
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Tarot decks. Why is this guy beheading this other guy
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: through this eye? Why was it a little more dark?
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: What he figures out out in this is that is
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: that this is actually the game of Saturn, this idea
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: that within this Tarot deck it was teaching kings and
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: princes in this timeframe how to lead their whole civilization
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: as they went on war campaigns, ascending them into the
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: likes of Alexander, who was doing the likes of Apollo
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: or a'man, And that this same ritual and myth moves
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: forward and through this deck. If you understand the symbolism,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: it will turn you into a god man, which is
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: the exact same thing that magicians are trying to do
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: if they're doing the great work.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny you saying that phrase god man?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Probably like, oh, you know, you know, you know what
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, But like I'm good for real, for real.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I think any serious magician that's doing this for the
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: right reason knows exactly what you meant. But it's just
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: a phrase sounds funny and scary to use because people
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: will run with that shit. But yes, no, you are
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: really yeah, I totally get what you're saying. Isn't that
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: what we're supposed to be doing?
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Is that what's supposed to be doing? And so this
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: is fascinating enough. This if everyone can hear me, this
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: is something that like is it is the Promethean spark
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: and fire that should move through all of us and
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: again to bring it back. No one should be limited
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: by their distance to places or their inability to to
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: witness the grandeur of the be a tific vision of God.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: And so initiation is for all, since it is just
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: the beginning, and we shall go through many initiations, and
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I understand. So then the argument is that like with
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Golden Dawn or Martinism, or maybe maybe even the Masons,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: which I'll be honest if they accept me, I most
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: likely if I ever reply, I, you know, that would
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: be the one I would only do because I don't
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: want to be a part of any magical tradition.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: The mass I would I do want to be the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: part about it for the educational reasons.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Educational. I like the idea of having a group of men.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: That's something that Angel Miller and I talked about, which
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: is coming out tomorrow. I can finish it tonight.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: My conversation is such a totally different experience. Oh, I
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: hate to say it, and I'm not knocking. It's just
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: it is what it is about humans. Like, it's just
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that's got to be a totally different experience because there
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: ain't you know what I'm getting at here with you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: having I mean even with my experience at the OTO
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't like too you know, motherfuckers weren't too thirsty, but
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: like you could tell that, like the sex is being
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: mixed up. You may not be totally focused as much as.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: True beautiful thing about masonry is that it's not like
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: that because it is only men, right and and so
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: that is the reason. So everyone knows me again, Nick
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: and I are different. Why I think it'd be beautiful
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: to have that experience like the first time I went
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: out hunting and shot a deer with my father, Because
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: as a man who has had I have my own
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: history with my own father issues, right, and I think
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: that which is something Angel and I talked about was
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: why are we so you know, men in this era
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: it's hard. It's hard to be a masculine figure because
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: if we lacked initiation, or we lacked the stepping off
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: and move into the world so you can learn how
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: to be an adult. It's almost like you got to
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: like scratch and crawl to understand what it means to
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: be a man in this world, you know what I mean? Yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: And so I think that something like the Masons, which
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: which has the framework for magical traditions throughout the ages,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: and I like the part where it's not everyone there
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: knows anything about magic. You know what that does to me?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: That tells me that they're not a bunch of egotistical pricks.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Yo.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: That was one of the biggest things I think is
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: a problem with the orders. Yeah, the ego, it's it's
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it's horrible. It gets worse with certain ones too that
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I noticed.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: And so the difference between the Masons to me and
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: I think everyone would I would agree with this is
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: that it's not a magical order. It's a fraternal lodge
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: and within it you can learn and be initiated into
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: a kind of magic.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I think with the free basis, this
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: is just my experience. And I've even said this to uh,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I've said this on the show before. It was even
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: like kind of a reason why I've even said I
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: haven't done magic in a bit. I mean, you know, obviously,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'll be honest, a little nervous or scared
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: because of the way I believe is actually going on.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: But even other reasons I had said that, I do
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: think that let's say, since the last time I had
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: a magical experience, if I've learned or read or studied
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: anything new since then, when I have my magical experience,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I do think it may rewire some of that, and
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I will be able to look at it differently. If
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: you look at freemasonry, you actually, if you were to
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: learn and study everything that they actually suggest and what
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the ogs were talking about, and then had a magical experience,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: you'd probably be a fucking genius.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Nailed it, thank you. That's exactly what I wanted you
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: to say.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I've even thought about that. I was like,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: join freemasonry and read the books in their library and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: they go write the lightning. I was like, I'd be
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: fucking insanely smart.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Probably, Yeah, No, it's because of I think were hidden
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: within that, as we can see, lies the quadrivium, the
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: frameworks for what it means to be a fully developed
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: human being. And that's kind of what we're talking about,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: is that we shouldn't gatekeep that kind of thing. That
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that there shouldn't be levels because of and
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: I will state I am I am a direct descendant
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: of mk Ultrau and the hippie movement with the entheogenic
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: usage of consciousness change. And so that has been a
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: fascinating conclusion I've had for years and I'm continuing to
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: understand it because Kaive and I, as we were talking
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: about last last show, was you know, she made a
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: shirt because of she was crushed in it, and we
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: call it she was idea maxing. Kaiva Ro's idea maxis
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: nice and so but in doing that, she came up
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: with the idea of like rebel against hypnosis. So nobody
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: take that shirt. She's going to create a shirt is
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: something like that, And it's true. I love it, rebel
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: against hypnosis because every single one of us, what's the
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: number one hypnosis event or manipulation brain change event, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: that is birth. You're born into this, and none of
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: you can tell me that you ever remember not being here.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: I think that's a really good exercise. I want you
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: to think, have I ever not been here, and not
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: divulge into some whimsy dimsey I'm reincarnated, I remember a
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: past life. Not that means doesn't mean you can't. But
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: the idea brings us to to to just that if
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: I don't remember not being here, then I need to
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: rework how I view reality itself, and then this death
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: kind of ideal or birth ideal then can become exactly
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: what they are. Obviously I was born into a body.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: But then if I don't ever not ever being here,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: then consciousness is something different than an on off switch,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: because here and there tend to be a language structure,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: and I need to rework. Then. Going back to what
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I'm continually trying to talk about is the idea we
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: all stem from consciousness outward. But it's not panpsychism where
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I just I just think my way into being, because
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: it's different than that. It's the idea of there's this
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: embodied universe that is a magical universe, and magic moves
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: all things. So then the idea of gate keeping levels
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: of initiation or saying that somebody can't be initiated by
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: their experiences. If those experiences lead you to that experience,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: the a state change of consciousness, I then think we're
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: all being initiated into the next civilization.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I think that's yeah, almost been
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: a better thing that I should have said. With the
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a Ono horse yea, and with more ocultis and magicians
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: popping up, I think like we're kind of going through
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: an initiation in a way. I totally agree with that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: And yes, Kimmy ninety nine A, you're correct, Freemasonry is
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: also an astral school as much as an earthly and
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: I want us to define our terms because we're philosophers
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: here at Magus. In the media and the ol cult
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: rejects the idea of being a philosopher is that we
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: define what we mean and we don't fall into whimsy
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: nimsy abstractions or new age spiritual nonsense, just as much
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: as that we don't fall into the material, just plain
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: dead mechanistic worldview. And so yes, Manly P. Hall in
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: his Lost Keys of Freemasonry states that talking about Freemasonry,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: you can go through. When you and I were just
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: talking about this before you can go through all the
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: initiatory levels of the three grades and still not be
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: initiated into the astral Temple.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I totally believe that a lot there was people I knew,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: not at my lodge in the OTO that, in my opinion,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: were at degrees they did not deserve to be at. Yeah,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, there was a chick and I'm not
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: And I could have been a dude for all I can.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: There was a chick that was in another lodge and
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: she was third degree and I was talking to her.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I met her in a thlenmic Facebook group and I
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: know that she had like some position that I was
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: like trying to go for my lodge, and I wanted
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: to ask her about it a little bit here and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: there and just to get an idea what it was like.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And in between that time, I was like, oh, you
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: know what, you know, what degree are you?
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about that?
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: And she told me, you know, she was third degree,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, ask. I went to
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: go ask something about like the lesser banishing ritual of
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the Pentagram and she was like, oh, she's like I
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: just started a few weeks ago started doing rash I
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: haven't done that yet. I'm like, how the fuck did
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: you get to it? Like you're just showing up to
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the oto and that's all you're doing.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Then then she goes on though to let me
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: know that there was a notoicon coming up and asked
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: if I was married, and if I was, would it
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: be okay with my wife that her husband lets dogs
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: gangbang her there?
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Shut up.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I swear to God, you and I swear to God,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and was asking, oh, you know, if you want. I
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: was just like, what the fuck is going on? No,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And I did not do it. I never went to oricon.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: It's almost like, okay, as megas in the media is
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: both myth magic and meaning, we're real human beings who
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: also I like to bring in anime and comic book realms,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: and so that sounds like some fucking degree like a
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: con is all right, It's like a like a comic
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: con or something like that, like an anime one or whatever.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: And supposedly I've never been to one, actually, as much
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: as I'm into anime and comic books, but I've heard
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: stories in the YouTube spheres of crazy shit going on
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: in back rooms, and it's interesting enough. That's got its
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: own levels of being a new but weeve and whatnot.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: And so that's what fascinates me, is like, I don't
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: understand why that's needed.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I remember my friend Jordan's like, because we thought we
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: might have been going about at that point. I was
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: already knew I wasn't going At one point we thought
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: we might have gone. My friend Jordan's was like I
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: was told, was like, because I think at the time
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: we may have only been minerv I can't remember what
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: degree we were at, but he was like, yo, He's like,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: if we get shoulder tap, that's like they're probably going
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: to get asked if you want to go back to
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: so and so's room later on, and it's probably aen ergy.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And I was like, are you shitting me? I was
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: like like, there's already this, this whole, this whole sequence
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: of events that is known. You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I contemn that action.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: I condemned that action. Megas in the media condemns that action.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: I don't give off Listen.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not aprude and I'm not vanilla, but you that
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: shit just has no purpose on being there.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: No, It's like the hippie it's the hippie ship with
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: polyamory and pull and all that.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Just going there to be freaks and not learn anything
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: That's exactly it. And so it goes back to exactly
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: why you know you're feeding.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Your lower demons. That's actually what you're doing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Exactly it. That's exactly it. Rejected by the rejects. Thanks hour.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: It's true that it like to be a rebel means
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: to it's like the same thing as being an outlaw.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: We're not criminals. Outlaws live by a code. And it's
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: really important. And I steel this and if I would
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: read it out out and I can't, I could find it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Tom Robbins in uh, what is it to cow Girl's
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Dream of Electric Blues or still Life of Woodpecker, It's
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: called still Life of Woodpecker. He has a whole idea.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: He writes that he's one of the greatest writers of
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: all time. It's this whole line about out the outlaw.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: I think it's really important because the kind of codes
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: and it's the same thing as somebody the magicians and
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: the ocultists, which is then why I do agree and
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: like the idea of the hermitic or of the Golden Dawn,
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: and I and all of you Donians out there, I
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: want you to know, like I learned so much from
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: the like regards Big Black Book, from reading about the
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Golden Dawn, from every person who is in the lodge,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: even for a lot of who even for people who
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: are in the lodges right now as they write, I'm like,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: thank you, I'm learning, thank you. I hear you, and
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I can and I see that you have a part
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: of the golden thread of the adepts of the ages,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: the secret of the profits, and the Philosopher's Stone itself,
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: and it's really important. And so it's interesting enough when
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: people ask me, like how you got into this? What
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: did you do? I have to be as honest as possible,
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: is that, like, I fell into this just like everybody
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: else did in their own right through my experiences with
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: life and experience. And I think that's that's how initiation works.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: But there is levels to this shit. And that's why
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I talk about the matrix so much. That's why I
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: talk about what it means to be an NPC or
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: a mundane individual and then actually falling and taking the
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: red pill or getting outside of it and being able
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: to like to see the code behind the curtains, because
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: that's what magic is for.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Then, you know, we was just talking about the self
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: initiation and we're talking about like you know, orders and stuff.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want to jump into it too much, but
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I know this is this is where we're probably heading anyway.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: But like it when it comes to my experience with orders. Now,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: even in the Oto, I had heard countless times. I've
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: heard it at when rituals were done. I've heard it
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: at you know, people just bullshitting and talking. I've heard it,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: you know, before a gnostic mass. You know, people say
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: the magic happens at home, like for really, it happens alone.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: So the one thing though that I don't understand then
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: is like, all right, I understand that it does. It's
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: going to happen by yourself. But like now, when I
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: when I go back to the lodge, or if I
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: talk to somebody and try to explain to them the
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: experience I had by myself, if it's like not something
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: they had, they just totally knock it down and don't
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: even want to entertain it because now this ego kicks
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: in and bees like, well, you know, I've been here
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: for seven years and this fucking dude's been here for
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: three years and he's going to tell me he had
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: an experience. It's sounded like you cross to ther bus.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah you do. You were fucking having a weird dream.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe write it down in your diary. That's
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: about it, you know what I'm saying, Like I've even
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: had there's people in the Golden Door, and I'm a
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: perfect example. I hate to say it. Dudes that I've
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: had on my own show that I've even tried to
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: talk about about certain stuff, and you know, one response
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: was was, you would never have that experience here because
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: we don't do that type of magic here. Now, all
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you start hearing that this one's got
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: the right fucking magic, you know, and since that doesn't
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: sound like our magic, it can't be good, you know.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Now he's start getting a Christian fucking sound. Yeah, so,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: I mean perfect for the Golden Dome, you know. But yeah,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: that's fascinating even in the Oto Thelamites of the ego.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: That's the problem with what I'm gonna get at with
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: the initiations that maybe not technically somewhat gatekeeping, but I
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: do think unfortunately it wasn't like it used to be.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people that had roles
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: and that I've even made it up in degrees actually
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: don't probably belong there. But they need feet the spaces
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: to fill. Do we need a secretary, we need this,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: We need that's We're gonna have to give it to somebody.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: So you'll have these people that will get looked at
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: or put upon on pedestals that shouldn't be just because
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: they've been there longer, or they have a have a
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: higher degree, or they have a certain job withinside the lodge,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: you look at them differently. And when you go to
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: these people that may not exactly even have an idea
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: what the fuck magic is and try to tell them,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: they're gonna knock get the fuck down because they've never
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: had that experience. And if I admit that this fucking
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: dude who just joined did, obviously I'm not doing something right.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: But I'm you know, my biggest fan inside my head,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: you know, So yeah, I do think that like unfortunately,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: like even with orders, even if they're not gatekeeping it,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I think just unfortunately, the people that are in positions
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: that people would normally go to lack the experience but
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: yet have authority, you know, and I think people who
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: actually have an experience just may get played off.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's fascinating. Yeah, I agree, because it's not wanting to.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: It's almost feels like I mean, and I experienced that
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: here on podcasting with people in orders, so like I'm
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: really seeing a thing with orders, you know what I'm saying,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Like it's funny. Anybody I know that isn't in an
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: order will entertain my shit more right?
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I swear to God anybody or Golden Dorn, especially Golden
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: dor my fucking stories or my science even bringing my
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: science into it. Oh no, we can't have that. This
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: has gotta be woo woo comic book shit. Now we
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: can We can't. We can't destroy my Marvel fucking comic
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: book idea of what magic is?
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: I love that interesting enough that they so that's great.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Why I love science. This is what makes me think
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: is like it's like it's almost like Paul mud Deep.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: I always bring up Dune and this is why, because
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Paul mud Deep does what the Benny Jesuit cannot, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: he has the ability to basically like tap into the
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: golden thread. He goes farther in the spice trance with
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: the elixir of life than any mother superior can. We
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: have to remember so in the allegorical realm, these mystery
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: schools and these institutions like the Benny Jesuit, which is
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: one of them. It's where you get the Jedi orders, right,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: these are all allegories to even what's going on to
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: this day. They they are trained in the art of yoga,
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: the science of spirituality. They do instead of prana yama,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: they call it prana Bindu training, where they have the
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: ability to control their breath and and then controlling their breath,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: they have the ability to control every nerve in their
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: entire body.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Do some of the ship that I even covered on
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: my breathing thing or certain ship with the with yoga
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: that I've even covered the tum g or g tumo
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: whatever that is again, Yeah, yeah, yo, these were of
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the fuckings. Yeah, they're literally heating themselves up.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, tum of the fire breathing. Yo.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: They'll they'll put wet blankets on them and go sit
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: outside and go do their ship and they'll dry up
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: the blanket. That's how fucking warm they get. Oh yeah,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Like they're literally changing their body temperature through meditation.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: And that is exactly the stories you hear from the
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: mythology and actual life and legends.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: It's really the East of the East. These funks go
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: into meditations and look like they're not even really alive. Yeah,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: you know, and then when they do die, it takes
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: months for decomposition for some reason on these dudes.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's great and yeah, no, I love that. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: so the idea then is being that they were they
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: were both wanting to bring upon the keys watch heterock.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Basically this this supra human still human, the fully developed human,
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: and they were trying to burth it through their eugenics process.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Interesting enough, that's how they get Paul. And now that's
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: how Paul basically does what he does, and that's where
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: you get all of Doune And so he can see
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: farther into the future. He has prescience, he can see
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: through time space itself. And I feel like, interesting enough
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: that that is the purpose of these lodges is to produce. Right,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: if we are all the like you you know, who
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: shall help the widow's son? Well, what does it mean
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: to be the widow's son? As well as what does
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: it mean to be the master of the temple to
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: be Solomon rights one of the very mythologies that you're
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: trying to accomplish while going through freemasonry. If you're trying
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: to go through the Golden Dawn, you're trying to reach
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: right apotheosis, you're trying to instill yourself with going through theoregia.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: I think that right and huge, and it's huge because
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: of your trying to it's it's called anagogic. You're trying
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: to have an anagogic experience and a scent into the divine.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: But you're also there's you know, the discent which I
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: can't remember the name right now, just because where's chatt
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: and I can't ever remember everything, But there's a descent
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: into the underworld, and you must do both. And that's
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: why I like this magic mysticism, complexity and not losing
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: ourselves to the abstraction of ascending but having the experience
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: here now. And I think that's what the Amblicus was
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: truly trying to do. The neoplatonist who's taking on the
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: work of Plato, Julian called him the you know, the
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: great Plato re returned, you know, type of idea. But
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: I just continue to want to get.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Back to this is at more ritualistic must yeah, oh yeah,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: he adds the true levels of mysticism.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I remember there was some neoplatonists I was looking into that.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this guy, actually it gets into
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: ritualistic shits.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: It's completely so his his neoplatonism at that time frame
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: was super Hellenized, and so he was definitely taking and
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: taking on a lot of the Caldayan, you know, because
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: he's also speaking about the Caldayan oracles, which is then
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: the Julian and his son Ulian whatever they were, you know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: So it's not Caldayan at all. But the idea is
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: that all these rituals very hermetic, taking on the spirit
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: of the Logos and the Noose and at that time
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: frame all the ritualistic magic that was going on as well.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: So getting into that divine God working is to put
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: turn yourself into this vessel of this ecstatic mystical state
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: and really important. Interesting enough, it's almost like those things
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: don't exist, like don't exist without the frameworks that certain
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: people through the ages have brought back. And yes, a
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: lot of these people have learned, like Crawley wouldn't be
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: crally without the Golden dawn or masonry, because there would
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: be no Craley without or Golden Down without masonry.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with that. His experience of that stuff
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I think helped him get his own his own system going,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: and he had my opinion, I think he had a
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: magical experience due to his prior stuff and then created
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: how created his own system on how he saw things. Yeah, Yeah,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: it took it took some some older people shit and
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: maybe changed a little bit, reworded a little bit, you know,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: like like all us magicians do anyway, you know what
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. But he might have just done a little
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: bit more than others.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then to weave back into this conversation that
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: we're having the work of Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Leary,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: and John C. Lilly, it's really important to understand that
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: these are techniques for consciousness change. And if we understand
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: that one allegory or metaphor towards our human experiences that
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: your body is the hardware, your nervous system, the eyes, the.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Branch in him today in the show that dropped today
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: on those Yeah, John C. Lilly's mentioned I mentioned some
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: of his studies in there Man Beautiful and it was
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: really good with the consciousness. And basically, if you're sitting
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: in dark long enough, your your body will almost kind
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: of seem to be like your mind will question where
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: it ends, and you might actually start actually kind of
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: feeling like you're extending out because your body may actually
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: your brain actually think your body's a little bit different
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: than it is right now. That's like, it's hard to explain.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I think you know what I'm getting at, But yeah, I.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Know exactly what you're getting at, and it's really important actually,
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: and so what you're talking there's two different things I
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: want to bring up upon this. This is the beautiful
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: thing about having such a show. Just like on the TV,
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: you could be watching Fox News or CNBC or NBC
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: and hearing some similar jargon that's coming from the Great Empire,
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: the Empire that never ended, the continual propaganda machine that
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: will turn you over and turn you into an NPC,
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: spreading a constant hypnosis mk ultra into yoursel nervous system
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: to remind you to go back to sleep. Go back
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: to sleep, everyone, but not you, Not you who listens
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: to Magus in the media. The occult rejects, threshold saints
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: and the many other people that we endorse and that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: are friends of ours.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: There are.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: We're not battling our friends and the associates. We're having
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: a good public dialogue to not forget what it means
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: to be a sovereign magician. Because even if you are
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: within a lodge or out there wandering the great universal
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: lodge of just the embodied world, the phenomenal world, we
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: are all. If you are listening to this, most likely
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: you will have are initiated. You are initiating, and they
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: are continually initiating. It is a process that unfolds through time,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: and you will go through many, many initiations along the way,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: sometimes and may lead you into a lodge, And I
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: think that's important for you if that's where you're at
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: sometimes and may lead you out of it. Sometimes you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: don't know where it will lead you. But as long
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: as we continue to work through the great work, you
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: will continue to refine and that message will become clearer
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: and you will be able to hear it a lot better.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: And as soon as you hear the dissonant noise of
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: these three letter agencies who are controlling you at all times,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: you can finally be uncontrolled and rebel against the hypnosis.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: One thing I even just want to throw in there
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: that I think is really important that you're even saying
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: with initiation and this is like again a downfall that
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: I see with the lodges, and I think it kind
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: of goes back to the whole thing with me saying
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: that some of these people may not really have an
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: idea of what magic is. Is the integration of the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: kind of like kind of going over and it kind
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: of really sitting down with the person or like, you know,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: let's go over what we just experienced. Yes, there really
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: should be something a little bit more like that, even
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: in like my singing Bowlde and great, and even in
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: what I dropped today because Judith did he even hit
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: me up and she was telling me she listened to it.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: She thought it was good, and she told me she
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: found what I said at the end it was rather interesting.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: And I've said it in that. And there's another show
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: where I do kind of hit on you know, during
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: these initiations of these rituals, if you want to do
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: it successfully for the benefit of the person, there is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: actually almost a formula, and some of the stuff at
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: the end kind of gets like a little eh with
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: orders and I think that's and I think that's also
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: due to not trying to sound cocky. I had my
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: experience kind of when I was already out of the OTO,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: So I guess I can't say I'm any different because
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not there to tell anybody any different. But I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: think you just have a lot of people there that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: really don't know the depths. You know, they're very much
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: kind of just not knocking them. I was the same thing.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I'll make a few sigils and some talismans to get
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: what I want in the outer world, and that's about it,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: you know. So I don't think like they really like
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: look at it as deep as it does go. And
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: unfortunately other people who want to go want to go
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit deeper. They don't know, they don't they Yeah,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: that's what she said. No, don't we get screwed or
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: those people get screwed, you know. And it's just, you know,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: it's probably it's again that maybe don't purpose or it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: may not, but again, it's just it's a it's a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: shitty thing that I think happens more than it should.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I completely agree. That made me think of it's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: like we forget that, what does it mean? To be
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: a teacher. You know, it's almost like because of you, like,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: not everyone can teach. And I think it's really important
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: we understand that not everyone's a great teacher and it's
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: not your fault. And so when you go through orders,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: somebody may be have been able to attain a grade,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: but they're not a teacher, and so then there comes
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: to be this juxtaposition and this dissonance that happens for
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: somebody who may have and again this is the this
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: is the opposite of that. And then they're all, you know,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: this is somebody can argue, well, that's part of your path.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: That's just okay. You know, we know people in this
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: in the oto right, it's already out on YouTube. People
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: know that there are certain individuals who have had bad
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: teachers who have then extorted them or tried to do
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: certain things. Lead like you're saying, leave shit out, not
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: go all the way, take advantage of and I just
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: don't know. It's like how much is that needed and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: how much then does that scar you as an individual
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: when you're doing that. And then now instead of the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: great work itself, which is the cleansing of the spirit
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: and the body of the mind, the alchemical process of
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: changing led to gold. You like, now you're adding onto it.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: You're adding like you're of no vulnerable state, a neuro
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: imprinting state, where now you're getting certain rituals, certain symbols,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: certain energies, right, because that's what they are. You're tapping
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: into an aggregre. No, this conversation cannot be without the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: idea of what an aggregre is, right, an autonomous entity
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: that is in and of itself, existing and attaching or
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: interacting through the possession of an individual. Would you agree, Yeah,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: And I think it's really important to understand that. Of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: course you're like, when I do the Golden Dawn workings, right,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: because I have That's how that so Again, everyone out there,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: and especially if you're part of the Golden Dawn, like,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: just because I do it here doesn't mean you know,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: and I understand I didn't have it, But that doesn't
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: mean I can't learn and change and move through these
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: things and gain a and I know the aggregre I'm
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: tapping into. At the same time, if you continue to
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: burn away the dead ash through the al chemical process,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: you're laying a framework. Right. That's why I technically am
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: a chaos magician as much as I fucking hate it,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: but I think then it's not chaos magic.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: I would think I would consider a lot of us,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: especially only cult rejects, would be because we do take well,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: it's I hate to say it, and on that again,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to put the guy over the pedestal,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: almost even a thlemic approach. How we just take things
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: from different areas and this is how it works for us.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: It's like we're all we're walking seven seven sevens.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, And that that is why Fully is so brilliant,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: because he was teaching people that is what you must be.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: He tells you in his book of Correspondence as seven
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: seven seven that this is mine and you must make
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: your own. But here's what I've found out in my science.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Because our method is science, our aim is religion. Our
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: method is to be our own science. Are hermeticist, a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: true hermetic philosophy, our own scientist, all the shit, yep, yep.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: And upon doing that, you are tapping into the syncretic
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: initiation of moving through myth, magic and meaning through the world.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: You become a sovereign magician. And there is no level
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: of gatekeeping when it comes to that because that is
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: exactly it was. Like Manly P. Halled wrote in his
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: The Adops those books, I have them, They're amazing, and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: his Secret Histories of all ages and then everything he does,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: he's trying to do what That's why I would say
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: I'm a platonist. He's trying to help you remember. You're
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: not being taught something, you are remembering it, and that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: is the world you change. That is why I think
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: certain people fail.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: I think we're going back to somewhere we've already been.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: That is exactly what I'm talking about. We have already
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: done this before everyone you and me fell together exactly.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Now we're trying to get back yep.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: And it's and that's the that's the that's the limitation
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: of a linguistic system and a language structure that we
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: have because there's no back to get. We only will
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: move forward because the river moves forward. That's why we're
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: trying to tap into something that is within and underneath,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: and that is that golden thread through the ages, as
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Jocelyn Godwin talks about, it is his golden thread. It
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: is this secret teaching, this hidden magic, and it is
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: all around us and it isn't something to abstract. It's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: not that you learn these correspondences, so you have some
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: mental data bank that. Again, like David Beth put it,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: I put out that reel It got a lot of hits.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: The idea is, it's I'm not trying to use my
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: will on top my mental capacities to like fucking brain,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: you know, do this whatever. It is nonsense, that these
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: magical battles that are nonsense, right, That's why that's so ridiculous.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I agree with that because it's.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: Exactly why everyone liked David Beth's conversation. Why they like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: him is because if he's talking about that there are
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: magical traditions that have a lineage through time, and I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: think that if we don't, that is the truly embodied world.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: And then there are forces around us. And if you
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: can tap into those things by basing yourself off of
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: how the world works, then you're not abstracting anything anymore.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: You're not reaching inwardly to take this thing on top
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: of something. You're moving with the rhythm of the moon
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: and tide. Then and then it's a sympathy. It becomes
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: sympathetic magic, same thing that these people are talking about,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: and brilliantly, brilliantly. There is a lot of great magicians
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: out there right now that have come from lodgers, and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: that I respect. Oh, it's just really important to know
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: that if magic is for all, and that we can
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: all tap into it at any time, and if and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: if this world is moving into the age of chaos
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: and from the old assyrian Osyrus model of the of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: the rising and the dying God, It's what I'm trying
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: to say is it's time to move on, It's time
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: to take on the next step. And that is the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: syncretic understanding of these things. Where did the Golden Dawn
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: get their papers from? Do you know? Right? You know?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: From the Freemasons? Where did the Where did where did
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: as in Mathers, Woolridge and Westcott, these three characters got
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: the man these manuscripts from where. No one knows, That's
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: my point. They say they know. Some think Mathers made
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: it up, these three people made it up. Some say
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: it came from freighter from Sprangler, right, uh, that the woman.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: You're talking about.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And and and then there's another thing is that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: I came from some secret chiefs through time and located
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: on there. This is this is why I'm continually to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: always talk about the understanding of what perception is. Is
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: that there is a tradition, they did get something, they
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: have tapped into it, and I find it really important.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: But the thing is is your people made it up.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: It's it's not like it is full proof from the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: Knight's Templar or the Rosa Crucians or or whoever right
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: the Renaissance.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Magicians who it's a Rosicrucians spinoff.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: I think it is right. So then there's my opinion
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: on it that my opinion is that it is a
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: spinoff of And that's what Manly P. Hall is getting
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: at is that these these the names have changed, but
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: the mystery is still the same.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny is that, uh Jewels brought that
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: up what Tie want to show with a Golden Dawn
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: person on, and they kind of like shit on him
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: in a nice way. And I felt bad Jewels because
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, no, no, I think
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: he's right on that. I do think, because like I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm pretty sure I was when Jules read
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: this on his fucking show, you know, and I was
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: I was like, I know, he doesn't come out and
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: say it, you know, you know, word for word, but
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: he does allude to it a few times.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: I think, no, he doesn't. And it's in the adops
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: and it was Jewels has covered that.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: I was like, geez, okay, it's the idea is it's
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: one ginormous puzzle. Puzzle and we're just putting the pieces
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: together and you see this map and there of course
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: it is the ot O is Freemasonic, and the ot
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: O stems from the Freemasons.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Again, even with the voice in the vision that is Yeah,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: that was the book that was that you went and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: checked out. Even in that book. Oh no, I'm talking
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: about the Croles vision of the Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: it was that book. Even in that book, like how
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: he would do it. He would have the left page
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: would be like his notes or his jamatria, which is
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of it was jamatria, and then the right
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: hand side of the page is what he would write out.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: So one side was always kind of like for him
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: figuring out I guess what he was going to eventually
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: put down. There were so many times that guys doing
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: the math for Rose.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: Oh I like that.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's obviously not her, yeah, you know, and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: so I even wonder with all that rose stuff thrown
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: in there, is that even a little tip to Roseccrucianism,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: Like that, And I like that because of again why
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: it's so important too, And I wish, maybe I wish
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: it was that these people would bring up because this
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: is one of the things why science fiction is so
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: important is because of these our profits and visionaries of
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: our time, right, science fiction is how these people were
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: experiencing their life and tap and discovering these alternate worlds.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Like a Philip K. Dick. He may have gone mad,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: but I think that the understanding is that he still
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: was a magician of the highest order. And I did
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: see John Michael Greer put out today or yes probably
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: yesterday talking about how.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: Phil K.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Dick was crazy and went mad, and he's he meant
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: it in a bad way, and I'm like, I understand
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: what you mean. But then he was like he phil K.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Dick wasn't an occultist, and I'm all, like, ah, he
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: did the he tapped into the occult. He was a gnostic.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: He had his own exegesis because he had his own
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: prophetic visionary experience. And so what does it mean to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: be an occultist, and what does it mean to be
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: somebody like again, I want John Michael Grid to come
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: on my show. So this isn't me knocking the guy,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: but his myopic view of trying to understand and take
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: a label onto something when if you don't and have
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: not read his work and you don't understand the prophetic
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: vision that he had. And how then he was talking
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: about things that that are sacred, like from the Bible,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: from Acts, like Flow my Tears. The policeman said that
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: entire book can be found in the Book of Acts,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: and he has never read it, and he has a
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: whole story on how like somebody came up to him
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: is all like, oh, didn't you know that's from the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: Book of Acts, And he's like, what do you mean,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: what's the Book of Acts? And then he opens it
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: up and the story, his short story, Flow my Tears
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: at least been said, or it's a novel. It was
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: exactly what comes out of the Book of Acts. It's fascinating.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: And so to say that he's not having some religious experience,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: but then to be to dissipate the term of what
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: it means to be occult, something of the hidden, hidden knowledge.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: You know, uh, you know, and I myself, I can't
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: say I have much of an idea. You know, a
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff I say, it's always a theory or
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: it's just from my experience. But I don't think I'm
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: claiming I'm right on everything. But one thing I will
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: like to say, uh, I think this might help kind
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: of maybe a little bit of what you're getting at.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I might be taking a little bit too far here,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: but like you were saying with John Michael Greer and
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: even other people, you know, and I think part of
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: the show too was kind of gonna I know, you
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: had ideas of you know, like maybe basics for like
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: you know, like newer magicians or things to look out for.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: If you were to go look at I'd say, go
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: about three four hundred years back in the past and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: go from sixteen seventeen hundreds all the way back to
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: like fucking Impedicles or even Plato, but Impedicles I think
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: might be even a little bit father back. Go look
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: at what those occultists alchemists whatever they call themselves. Then
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: we're into and didn't deny was part of the occult
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: in magic. And then if you look at today, certain
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: people how they will pie knock off sixty percent of
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: that shit now if they you know, not even realizing it,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: that's probably not the best pick to go away if
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: you really want to get a good idea of what
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: magic was. I would even say, like, fuck anybody that's
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: even around at all and go still looking at renaissance motherfuckers.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying, like is stuff
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: like that. It's just like, again, like you get a
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: lot of people that, again I think, have a lot
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: of great stuff to offer, but then are also very
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: quick cutting off a lot of the stuff that even
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: the people that they even aspire to were looking at
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: to begin with too, yes, which I find very weird.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you know, if you know who Robert
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Flood is, or you know who this person is, that
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: person is, but you don't want to entertain the eyeballs,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: the brain, or the nervous system or even fucking blood pressure,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: you know, because Robert flud is big with that in
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: the time whatever, Like you don't even want to look
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: at any of that physiology. But like, oh they were
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: you know, Like it's just weird, how like you even
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: get like a lot of these you know, people that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: look at these old timers, but like doesn't even acknowledge
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: half the shit that they were doing. How the fuck
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: is that disconnect?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder that that's actually a great question. Yeah, no,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: that is something I'm getting at.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: No, you nailed it. You know what I think the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: thing is. What the problem is too, is that unfortunately,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: the reason why they're so well known he is they
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: got real good at one of two things.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, that's genius and genius. Because so
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: I'm rereading Rituals and Dogma by by Alphis Levy and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: it's and it's brilliant. So I'm reading it and listening
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: to it when I mow the lawn, and so I'm
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: getting so that means I get different things from it
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: because while I'm owing the lawn, I'm stuck with it
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: and it's like in my ear and my lawn is
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: like three and a half hours long on a rider,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: and so I'm in Alphis Levy's head. And I will
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: say again, John Michael Greer helped edit that he has
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: a few of his books are really good, so it's
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: not about him again. We both want, you know, come
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: on the show. Let's talk about it. The idea is
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: that when we get so close minded and specialized. That specialization,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: as Timothy Leary says, is.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: For in.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: And so yes, learn one kick and practice it ten
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: thousand times, because that's how I teach martial arts. Is like,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: we're going to do this right now, and I want
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: you to only train, and then through time, like the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: building blocks, we're going to add on new things because
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: some of us have the ability to take in a
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: lot of information and through time we learn a lot
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: of different things because we've mastered the basics. And I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: think that is something that a lot of people have
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: done and done really well for themselves, so not only
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: get really good at one thing, they then have mastered
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: the basics, and that is what people need. And I
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: think that is what the Golden Dawn gives, the basics.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: You know what, I would even say even for people
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: that this is probably the biggest advice if somebody wanted
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: to get involved in the OTO, I'm going to keep
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: it real. I think, even when it comes to Crowley
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: or even once again it Doesthla, this has really nothing
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: to do with the OTO specific know, if you want
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: to kind of get into Croley's stuff, I even think
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: ATHLEENX stuff. If you and I would hope that when
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: he aligned the Gnostic Mass, you know, the way he
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: did it with the EGC and all that that like
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: the saints that were on there, like he's somewhat put
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: thought into like accepting that that that worked okay with
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: you know, because just saints, and then there's ones that
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: he added. But you know, so like, guess what I'm
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: getting at is that, like, you know, I hope that
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: was all put into some thought I think, which again
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: is where it's like, you know, this is even proving
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: again where the fuck is the disconnect because even if
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: you were go look at the saints that are named
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: that in in the Gnostic Mass that you're doing in
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: an oto lodge, the ones that even just have to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: be read and not the ones that can be skipped
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: or added in. And then if you look at the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: people that he added to the list, if you go
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: and look at that work, how the like they're not
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: talking about most of that shit that they were talking
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: about again, You're like you're leaving out the body, the brain,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: the eyeballs, and all sorts of weird shit that a
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: lot of those people were entertaining back then.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, back then and in the sixties and seventies with
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Learyon and John C. Lily. Which
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: is why it came up with your work is because
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: of all of a sudden you realize, to go back
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: to what you were talking about, is the deprivation tank
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: of the nerves was created to help the nervous system
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: reach ecstatic states. Through his understanding of consciousness and techniques
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: of consciousness change.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, I mentioned that shit exactly why he's thoughted
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: that it's fucking wild that yeah, yep.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: And so then we get then the eight model, the
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: eight circuits of the human biocomputer, and that was John C.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: Lilly through his LSD experiments and dolphin experiments. And if
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: you're in the normal everyday world, just like you always say,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: it's not all Dixon demons.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: It was Dixon dolphins in that one, and then for
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: that one, it's.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: Not all Dixon dolphins, right, that's all. That's just so
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: fucking true, and it's so funny. But like when you
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: when you read his book, it's like he talks about
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: his experiences with the dolphins. Dolphins I read it, I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: don't know, find it for me where he's talking about
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: he's doing sexual things with him. Maybe he is, maybe
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: he alludes to it, or maybe he's trying to talk
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: about something where it's like I was on high high
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: dosages of alysurgic acid.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: And me it was the girl really who was kind
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: of the one who was now doing all.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah supposedly, so we can help. We should
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: do a whole show.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Even her stories, just like, oh, she just showed up
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: and wanted to volunteer. It's fine, strange.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: And it's strange when you're in so get this. I'm
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: not I'm not for beast reality, right bad, obviously right,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: I'm a high monogamous man who loves my girlfriend and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: women and so the so animals don't do it.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: For me, they're right, sure, it's even another thing, just
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: real quick. Most of cult this, and it's a funny thing,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: even with all even not that I am one of,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to stick up for me, even with Satanists. Yeah,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: they'll actually look at animals probably like better than humans.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I'm saying. They always get like, oh,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: they sposed to be fucking animals and sacrificing animals. It's like, yo,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: we actually kind of look at animals better than the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: rest of you, motherfuckers. Why would I do that. I'd
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: rather cut your head off than the chickens.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: That's fucking hilarious. And weird walk. That's fucking hilarious. Weird walk.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: If dolphins didn't want it, they went at blowholes. They're
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: asking for it. And then the question is what was
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: the dolphin wearing right, and so.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: He was asking for it.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: He was asking for it right. Humans aren't perfect, but
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: what but the idea is and why we love doing
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: these shows is for these human moments where we realize
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: that we need to move on from the lower states
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: of consciousness, those beginning stages. And this is something that
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: through his experiment, his hermetic experiments, his occult experiments as
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: hidden ones, he was going through understanding the basic circuitry
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: like the body being the biology or the hardware, and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: your consciousness being the software that yes, you have your consciousness,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: but then you have certain programs that run in these
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: different circuits. And that is what he's talking about, is
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: that through certain states. And he used the deprivation tank
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: and ketamine as well as lysergic acid diethelmide. He used
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: LSD and had these experiments to understand his consciousness, thus
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: creating the eight circuit model. The eight circuit model was
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: then moved forward because Johnzally didn't invent the eight circuit
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: models of consciousness, but he was a pioneering neuroscientist and
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: psychoonat who came up up with the framework. But then
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: Timothy Leary developed the eight circuit model as well as
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: Robert Anton Wilson popularized that eight circuit model. Lily had
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: his groundbreaking work and called it the programming and meta
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: Programming in the Human Biocomputer. So whatever I said before,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: I just want to reaffirm that programming and meta programming
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: in the human biocomputer, if you had the ability to
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: read a book, that is one of the books you
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: should read. And then you move on and you go
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: to Robert Anton Wilson's Prometheus Rising. My worldview and how
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: I got brainwashed because all that work was going on
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: at the same time with Leary and what Harvard's LSD experiments,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: the drug that Albert Hoffman mistakenly created and went on
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: his beautiful bike ride they were doing, so mk ultra
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: was going on at a very similar timeframe as all
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: of this is happening mk Ultra is not only for
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: creating Manchurian candidates and brainwashing and manipulating the masses through
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: the same thing that they designed through mk ultra. It
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: is through that, and it is through the television, the Internet,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: the electrical the electricity that runs all things through Wi Fi.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: All of this was produced through mk Ultra. The same
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: things that you pick up that we found out, that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: you figured out you have in your pocket, the black mirror.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: They took a model of understanding the human consciousness that
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: we were doing way back in the ancient times of scrying,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: using the psycho physiology of the human person through their experience,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: and they could skip a certain hardwiring and go straight
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: into the nervous system and reprogram it. And now they're
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: doing that exact same thing every day right here, which
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: is why it's amazing to understand it and really important
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: to do. The full breadth of what it means to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: be a sovereign magician is to disconnect from all eggregors,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: reconnect to the ones that I think are appropriate for you,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: and have the consent of your own understanding that now
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: you are unlocked and not trying to add on identifiers.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: But I'm trying to shed away all those things to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: become fully human, so I can tap into that thing
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: which is going to help me become the most virtuous man.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: Interesting enough, the same thing that is that is imprisoning
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: us is going to be can be a tool that
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: also helps set us free. And that is understanding the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: nervous system. Isn't that fascinating?
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: Totally agree with the nervous system. I think that again,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: not to keep on reiterating that, but I think that's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: a huge part of it is Actually, Yeah, like even
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: with my you know a lot of my mechanics and
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: magic actually really does go back to again how the
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: nervous systems are being manipulate to buy shit. But even
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: like I have stuff for sigils, talismans, taro and even
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: like rituals and initiation that like even the studies and
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: like what actually happens and goes on with people and
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: how it affects their nervous system is fucking unreal. Yeah,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: it's just like, yo, like what I'm trying to prove
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: actually with that whole series is that everything that we're using,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, even think about this, this even goes with
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: initiation and another thing that I just don't think is
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: even explained or really talked about with the integration part,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: or even understanding what you're getting into. Like for us
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: as a regular magician at home, you know, I'm just
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: gonna go with like what some of us might normally use.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: If you're a ceremonial magician, you know, we're gonna have candles,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have incense. We might have like neither a
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: singing bowl or some sort of thing that creates noise.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: We might knock or whatever to to like start off
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: our ritual meditate. We might use taro, we might use
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: sigils and talismans, like and then if you go and
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: think of initiation, it's like something like that, but ten
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: times bigger, because now it's some big, elaborate, fucking play
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: that's obviously gonna be made way more detailed, because it's
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: not just some person in their little altar. It's this
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: whole thing that's set up. All those little things that
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: you're already using at home for our little basic setups
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: are fucking affecting us physically on a level, and I
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: don't even think we even fucking realize. And then multiply
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: that by ten by going into a ritual or initiation
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: inside of a lodge, it's way more off the charts. Yeah,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: and they're not even understanding of that, I think for
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: the most part for the people doing it, and that
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: whole part's left out.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, that's relliant. That's really interesting.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, even the thing with the singing ball, and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: it's something I even noticed or remembered and I saw
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: I made sure I included it on my and magic
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: whenever the OTO at the lodge that I was at,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: whenever they would do their gnostic mass or really any
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: initiation you know you always started off with like a
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: knock or something or whatever. They would always use a
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: singing bowl and a singing bowl they realized, and when
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: they're doing studies on it that like, because it rings
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: and you like when you hear it, it's going to
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: catch your attention and you're going to focus on it.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: The thing the way it rings and then just reverberates
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: for so long and slightly dissipates, it will actually leave
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: you in some like hyper focused zone because it's slowly
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: left away, but you didn't completely take yourself off of it,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of like left you focused. So like
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: them even doing that little thing is like capturing your attention,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: is already snapping you into focus for what's about to happen.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Oh like that may sound like eh, but like it's
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: fucking for real, for real, These little things attack your
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: nervous system and make you start makes your brain just
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: because of survival mode, so it act in certain ways.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: That's even the reason why, like with the what I
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: went in with black mirrors in the candlelight flickering, if
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: it starts to distort shit, your brain just for survival
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: mode will start trying to just calculate what it is
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: and spit out an image for you to fucking see.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like even I've even covered,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: like something you're going to cover, which I think is
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: really interesting, is like if you were to take away
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: all a mountain technology and we actually had to rely
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: on the moonlight again, we'd be in a totally different
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: fucking world.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: We wouldn't be a completely different state of consciousness.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, but like yo, like like maybe on
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: a on a full moon, you'll see edges and have ideas,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: but like your brain may say, like they see a
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: cat and think it's nonatica. Let's say a dog and
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: think it's a wolf because you're just automatically thinking, I
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: need to be prepared for the worst.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and then nice, I completely agree.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: And then it leads back to the thing I'm always
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: talking about is that, like CHOSERL said, perception is a gamble.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: Perception is a gamble. And then how do I connect
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: that to the eighth circuit model? The first two circuits.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: The first circuit is the biosurvival circuit. It is forward
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: and backward, fight or flight. The mother it is the
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: the best drug to turn that circuit on and imprint
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: it is maybe not the best. It's opium because that
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: puts you in that cellular state and so interesting enough,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: that's that's what's so we need to work on that
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: biosurvival circuit so then we're not at its whim and
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: we're left fighting or fighting when we don't need to be.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: Opium has been an issue for certain occultists, Oh for sure,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: especially tholemak Ones. I've even known that to be has yeah,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, I mean even for people like I'm
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: pretty sure, well I don't want to say the guy's name,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: but so many passed away he's not he's not part
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: of you know, he's not with us anymore. I'm pretty
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: sure he even admitted to like, you know, that type
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: of use in the past, and I think he was
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: a knowing man.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and just so we all know, opium doesn't always
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: need to be injected via heroin, so you can just
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: smoke opium.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but uh, I was gonna say something
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: outside totally forgot, but yeah, that's funny that you said opium.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because that's exactly what it doesn't. So
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: that's why how that's why it can be so dangerous
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: because it can leave you lethargic, and you know, the
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: if you have a say, as for example, you have
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: a poor first circuit imprint, it could leave you in
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: this over mothered or undermothered state, right, and so then
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: it has direct biophysiological effects. That's why you see little
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: boys or girls that grow up to be very pudgy
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: and over helicoptered mom and they're weak and they're kind
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: of globular and like it's like then the invert of
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: that is they cry so much and they get their
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: way in there like whiny, and they grow up to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: be whiny nepotistic adults if you don't ever work on
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: that circuit, second circuit being then the fathering circuit, which
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: is the anal territorial circuit, right, and so these are
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: turned on in certain levels of when we're born. That's
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: why the mother takes on the child right away for
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: the first few years until the child becomes about two
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: or three, and then that turns on the anal territorial circuit.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: And that's why kids start to pick things up, that's
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: one of the examples, and try to explore the land.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: And so if you have a healthy fathering masculine figure around,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: that masculine figure is going to help you imprint a
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: harmonious circuit, and in doing so, you won't just as
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: they say, what is a way of you know, excrement,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: throwing your shit all around, trying to own stuff, trying
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: to be an over Caffeine is the second crack or cocaine,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: not crack, caffeine and cocaine, and these things turn on
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: that second circuit. They want to get up and go,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: and I need to do. And so a father can
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: lay a boundary just like the great king warrior does
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: in its fullest, and then the child can learn to
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: grow up knowing how to control his territory and also
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: set up healthy boundaries at the same time. And then
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: as we move through those circuits and why these things
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: are so important and I'm to continue to talk about
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: them until the the fucking or the rest of days
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: is everyone should go out and pick up the uh
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: Prometheus rising is that second? That third circuit is that
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: rational symbolic circuit. It handles logic, language mapping in the environment.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: And then from then on you have your socio sexual
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: circuit that governs the tribal customs, morality, and reproduction. You
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: get the robot with those four circuits. It lays out
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: you as a robot, you as a human person, and
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: the robot isn't bad. That's the zen parable is that
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: you need the MPC part of you, the ego that's
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: there that knows how to run away or go towards
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: an attack when needed, the one who understands its territory
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: and knows how to expand that territory. The one who
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: understands the socio sexual dynamics around you and understands the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: customs and symbols of things like That's what makes you up.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: Who is the wisest of all the mages, says Robert
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: Anton Wilson. The answer is the robot, and from that
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: robot we turn on the fifth circuit. And that fifth
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: circuit is the near the somatic circuit, the fifth circuit,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: neuro somatic circuit. It is the awakened by through meditation
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: and cannabis use. It involves holistic sensory awareness. That's that's
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: what happens. And so interesting enough when you you know
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: I'm a cannabis user, when you you know there's that
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: perfect turned on awakened state, when you when you invoke
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: the green God right or the goddess, and all of
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: a sudden you're reading something and it makes more sense.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: You're taking paradigm shifts. That's what the fifth circuit turn
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: on is. It's a paradigmatic shift, shifting of consciousness into
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: the higher somatic states, which Timothy Leary says, it's how
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: you turn a caterpillar into a butterfly. And that is
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: the change. Is that the cabi pillar doesn't know that
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: it that it is the butterfly, and so they speak
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: different language. The butterfly know was caterpillar language, but the
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: caterpillar doesn't know it's a butterfly, and so communication is hard,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: and so it's interesting now we're moving back into what
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: it takes to be the sovereign magician in an age
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: of hypnosis and and AI and chaos, as in it's
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: like you're confused out there in the wild. You're like,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: why don't I have why can't I find my fellow
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: community that helps me move through this age of the occult,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: because that's what we're in. It's all over.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all instet off faces. It's unreal.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: It's unreal, how crazy the world is. I went on
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: that today and it's all alien disclosure.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: That was like I think one of the things that
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: weirded me out. And I guess, like maybe again because
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: I guess, you know, these people were just around me,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: so I just assume the whole culture was like this.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: But even with like when I was in the OTO,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: like a lot of people that I knew, Like there
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: were some people there that were political that I didn't
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: realize until like later on, but there was a lot
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: of people that were not really into conspiracies.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's crazy, how you can't be And.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: I never understood that. It was so weird, and like
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like that even kind of like locked them
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: into like like just so unaware of how much they
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: were being manipulated. But all the ways, you know, yes,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: like like even put it in this like you know,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: like like if you're a member of the OTO, like
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: I guess you could be somebody who has a problem
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: with you know, the patriarchy is some shit like that
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Like Yeah, I don't know how you could
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: sit around and knock Catholicism and Christianity all the time
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: because like one, I mean, you're going to a Gnostic mass,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: fuck sakes, Yeah, and it's the you know, egc Catholic
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: is in there, yea, the Catholic Church and the mass
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: was done based off of the Russian Orthodox. So I
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: just yeah, it's just like weird. It's just like you know,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: weird does how does that happen?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: Isn't that fascinating?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's just like I don't know, it's just
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: like weird.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: So then that's something that Mark Stavish says in the
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: Zegrigor's book And I can never Oh that was an
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: amazing book. Amazing book. Shout out to Mark Stavish, great interview,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: Love his work again.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: Come on and he never answered me back. I got
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: to harass him.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: Now, just keep harassing him, because again, we're not hating
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: on the lodges. We are, but it's not a complete
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: hate because I understand, I understand, and I hope you
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: know that. I also understand that there's things that I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: won't be able to tap into in a certain way
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: because of I haven't had the ability to go through
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: their initiation with the Temple. I get it, You're right,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: I'm not an idiot, But I also say I don't
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: think I need it, and that's and that and and
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: because I'm not in a place to have to be there,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: and so I have you the books are useless without
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: the experience and the worldview shift and then and then
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: all of these things become a panorama of a beatific
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: vision that's experienced in the world, and it changes you
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: as you experience it, as you have and witness what
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: Crowley states and is God and is John Saint John,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: everyone should read it. It's that when I am moving
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: and traveling up the tree through whatever it is, because
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: the tree isn't linear. The tree is not just two dimensional,
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  Speaker 4: nor is it three dimensional. It has many facets of
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: that tree and so to think that my life just
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: moves zigzaggy up, which it does, which I love, and
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: I will witness and experience all paths and spheres, saying.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: I think you'd be like almost fractal, fractal exactly.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. The idea
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: is then that you are reaching a place where you
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: become God mad and you witness God in all things.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: And I think that's what's really important, and I think
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: anybody can experience that from from the right, the more
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: Christian mystical experience of the nun who is just.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Every day sing Hildegard knew what was the fun.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, Saint Hildegarden exactly, is that you
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: can reach these levels that we call mystical understandings of
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: the universe and experiences of healing and oracular and visionary
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: and all these things by doing just there is a
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: framework and it's not just there, it's it's all place,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: because it's outside of the time space continuum.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: What are you saying something? I just thought it was
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: really interesting how you like you just you know, touched
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: on a none or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Yea.
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  Speaker 2: We I had a guy on from a Bible magic
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: and he up. He was like, yo, pull up a
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: liturgy and I was like, oh, you know, I went
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: and like picked Saint Hildegarde and then I went and
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: looked at Saint Albertus Magnus and like, YO, if you
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: see the shit that the church is acknowledging that this
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: person is associated with in the liturgies, You're like, yo,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: this is rather fucking a cult.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: It's just like yo, it's like how do you how
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: do you put this in a liturgy and then turn
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: around and say X, Y and Z about stuff that's
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: Like like she was even like, yo, if you the
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: point he was trying to get at, and I hate
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: to say it, I have to give him credit. I
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: was like, he's he's right on this, he was saying.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know why people get stuck on Hakat.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: He's like, he's like, she could be very like. He's like,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: first off, he's like, I don't think most people really
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: even understand who they're dealing with. He's like, but if
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: you look at what she's good for, He's like, you
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: could still go to Saint Hildegard and if you look
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: at what her liturgy is that she's four. He's like,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: she's got it.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: You just gotta that's hilarious.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: He's like, so why wouldn't you work with that?
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I completely but.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Like it is that crazy the stuff that they'll get into.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: If you look at that ship, you're like, holy fuck,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: this is a cult as fuck.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: It's a cult as fuck. No, it's because that is
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: what it is, because it was never separated. It was
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: only separated by those who want to take control for power.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: Music, herbs, tactures.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, yo, this bitch sounds like a witch exactly.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: That's No, that's exactly what I'm getting.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: With that one. Yes, it sounds like a badass bitch.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: That's brilliant. He's sneaking into that nunnery at night. No,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: I completely agree. It's and and it goes. And I
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: know people, you know, don't get sick of it. You're
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: here because of I talk about these things Robert Anton
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: Wilson talks about in his book and in Illuminatus trilogy.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: It's it's the book also the New Inquisition. It's the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: idea is that the Inquisition never ended, it's just changed form,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: just as the institutions may change, but the magical teachings
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: are underneath it, and it's for you to tap into
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: those things with your heart. And that's why magic is
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: for all is because if you are coming at it
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: with both the eyes of the fool and the experienced universe,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: you want both The fool to me in that instance,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: represents that head. It that single pointed awareness that is
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: expanding and blooming through the whole major arcana as that
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: moves into the end of the cards, to the universe,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: the great expanse, the neuitait of all things gestation into
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: its procession because you need to do it again. That's
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: why it's the same as not the same, but it's
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: a different variation of the monomth of the hero's journey.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: You must return home and then go on the journey
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: a changed individual.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the whole point. That's the whole point. That's yeah.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: That's even another thing too, is that like, even when
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: you go through an initiation or ritual, the whole outcome
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: is for you to be a changed individual for the better. Yep.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: And I don't. I just feel like a lot of
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: these places, at least from my experience, really don't tap
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: into that much either. Do you just assume they don't
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: say anything? Oh we did that initiation? He must be
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: doing your shit, I guess cool.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, well that's when. So have you seen the
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: Ghost Dog? No, the movie? Nick, You will fucking love
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: this movie Ghost Dog. Okay, I'm gonna pull it up
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: so everyone knows. This is one of my favorite movies
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: and it's based on the book The Higo Koure with
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: the Code of the Samurai. As we do it live
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: as I'm trying to pull this up seamlessly like nothing
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: ever stopped or never didn't happen. Ghost Dog. Here it is. Oh,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: Forrest Weiderker, I love this movie. But I also am
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: a martial artist and I love Samurai. Saw it. So
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: Ghost Dog is a He's a contract killer, a master
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: of his trade who can whirl a gun at warp
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: speed and move through this world like a phantom, stealthy
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: and evanescent in the spirit of the Samurai. He has
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: pledged his loyalty to a small time mobster named Louis,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: who saved his life many years before. The reason I
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: even bring it up is because of there is a
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: moment where he's walking down the street and he is
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: talking too, and he's talking and you're hearing him talk
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: about a certain moments from the Higakoure itself, and so
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: that's what I'm talking about. This moment between ghost Dog
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: and Riza is a moment between two invisibles, to two
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: members of the illuminati, between two warrior kings. And the
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: idea is that he's what he's talking about is that
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: they looked at each other and they knew exactly who
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: the other person was and that they were long lost brothers.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: That that allegorically and mythically they were both warriors on
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: the path. And that's that's the way we That's the
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: way we That's the way I. I can't speak for Nick.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: That's the way I view this, this game, this beauty,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: this this thing that we are all doing, this magical
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: act of being here and exploring the universe.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: Is that.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: When we walk, we have the ability to hear, to hear,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: to say, to see and to witness other initiates, adepts
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: and profits on the path. And you know them by
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: their fruits, right, we shall know them by their fruits.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: That works in both ways. You know, when you are
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: crossing path with a dark sorcerer, with somebody out there,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: you know when you look into their eyes, right, when
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: you feel the shift and the movements of the air.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: The same thing happens, but in the positive extent. When
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: you are coming across a fellow initiate, you don't need
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: a handshake, right, it helps a grip a sign like
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: they're all there. But really it's when you first meet
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: and you start talking, you get a feeling. And this
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: is the fine tuned senses that we are gaining as
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: we go through levels of mysticism and magic. Well, you're, yes,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: maybe doing ritual magic, which you don't have to do,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: or you're doing your meditation. You know what you'd need
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: to do. Everyone needs to learn how to meditate and
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: control the breath, as he says in I think the
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: second third chapter Manley pay Hall's Last Key's a Freemasonry,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: which is each chapter is depicting. It's one of my
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: first live streams I did was six or seven part
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: series of that book. So everyone will go back and
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: they want to see the fresh fruits of the green.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: Brandon Lee of Magus in the media, please check out
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: my Manly P.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: Hall.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be coming out with it on Spreaker
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: it's going to be the beginning of my spreaker.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: Life anything else too, you.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, yeah, where I'm going to put it out
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: on all the things. So we are going to inhabit
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: the world and we shall all become part of the
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: fucking That's what I'm saying. We are all magus in
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: the media, and that's what it is that we're all
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: cult rejects. We're all sovereign magicians.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: I will love everybody on the show to actually have
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: their own audio. I really wish. I think they all
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: have ship to put out there.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: I agree I'm working on right now. It takes time,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: as we are all individual creators and artists.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: I know, I know it takes time. That's one thing.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think people realize how much time this ship
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: fucking takes.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to pat myself on the back or be
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: like give me money, but you know, well.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: You know, we take super chats and I'm starting a
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: Patreon soon, so you know, any any you know, the
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: discs and coins are super helpful upon this path and
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: I'm going to do it either way, and so you know,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: it's uh, but the more time we get, the more
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: time we can just put things out here and how
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: these kind of conversations, and I think it's really important
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: because this is the public square, and this is where
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: the battle is being raged. Because we all in the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: magical and esoteric community. I can't speak for everyone, because
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: there are those who work for the dark and say
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: they are part of the light, and I don't have
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: to ever name names. We know them by their fruits
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: as well. But the idea is that there are bigger
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: fish to fry, and so let's not get caught up
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: in this Hegelian dialectic of us versus them, left versus right,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: you know, gender wars or race wars or any of
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: these nonsensical things that are you know, as the parasitic
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: oligarchs are continuing to advance the surveillance state as they
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: build up the AI dystopic all seeing eye of sourn As,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: Oracle and Palanteer continue to try to put us within
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: some virtual similar rockrum right as we are understanding it.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: But the soft or magician works at the edges, right,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: they don't take sides.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, just something like real quick to
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: throw in. Uh, you know, it's something that I had
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: mentioned in some of my shit and something I recorded recently. Yeah,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: you know, when it comes to even like propaganda, there's
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: like studies. I mean, it's just it is what it is,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: and I see it probably have been done to me
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: in the past. Something doesn't have to be true, it
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: just has to be constantly repeated so true, and it's
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: like it's known that you'll just start to almost accept it.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: And like there's actually been studies done in false news,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: like yeah, that that should actually show you that it exists.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: If they've done studies in it.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's the propaganda papers by Edward Burnez talks
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: about it explicitly, how three times, repeat, repeat, repeat, continue
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: to hit them with the flashing lights, the symbol, right,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: the sigil.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's this, this is yeah, yeah, yeah, this is it.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: In their subconscious and then you just continue to repeat.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: And that's why we must rebel against the hypnosis.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: That was in my Wardron series that I just finished
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: editing and dropping. How I'm trying to show they were
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: saying to you, or might have said it on the
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: show earlier to you before the show. How I am
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: going from like the war drum into social media in
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: your cell phone. It's because, like you just said, when
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: you start getting hashtags, yep, when you start getting like,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: you know, all these repeated reels with people chanting the
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: same thing. It could be let's go Brandon or it
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: could be BLM, you know, either one. Regardless, when it
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: gets hit you over and over and over again, it
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: almost even starts to become a rhythmic pattern, so you
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: don't need the drum anymore to get somebody in a rhythm.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: The initiative.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: You actually get it through your timed scrolling paste scrolling
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: that you probably don't even realize you have, and then
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: just certain kind of almost constant attacks. It begs, it
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: begins a rhythm, and you get stuck in a piece.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: It is like it is known, like that's what's happening
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: with propaganda and social media, through hashtags, through protests, through reels.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, thank you, No, I that's exactly it.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: And that's I'm so happy you said that, because that's
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: It's like, why is it important to talk about vulnerability,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: impront vulnerability or the nervous system? Right? Why is it
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: important to talk about the nervous system. It's important to
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: talk about the nerve for many reasons. It's because that
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: is what is taking into the data and integrating it
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: into your bio physio electro madnetic states. It's how you
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: interact with the world. And so if somebody can take
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: control of your nervous system before you do and imprint
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: it with the repeated patterns, the lights and the words,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: the sigils, and then you don't even know what's happening, right, all,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: you chaos magicians, What does Grant Morrison do? And he
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: tells you all is he's screaming at disinfo con same
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: thing that Peter Carroll is telling you, same thing that
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: NLP is telling you, and same thing that little levels
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: of Austin Osmond Sparre's sigil magic is telling you. It's
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: that if you if you make a sigil and you
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: forget about it, things will happen. Right, that's the whole
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: idea of like making a sigil from your I will
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: this to happen. Take out the double consonants, the double vowels,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: and I now have an image. I'm gonna re arrange
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: that image and I'm going to fucking jerk off all
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: over it, right pointed attack right right, Maybe don't do that.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 6: You can do whatever you wantitation or or you burn
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 6: it and you yeah, done that too, Yeah don't and then.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: By free or you meditate and get into that trans state.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: But the idea is that you forget about it or
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: you and you expunge that great pointing. But what so,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: let's just all realize that magic is done everywhere. That's
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: the other part of magus in the medium. What I'm
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: trying to tell you is as good as here's all
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: the signs and symbols to teach you about the archetypical
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: structure of these natural forces that are moving through all
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: ways to help you become the fully realized human. Or
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: the inverted version of that is that since birth, you've
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: been imprinted upon, manipulated and moved through the world like
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: a fucking monkey, and they are continually to get better
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: and better at it. And the only way you're going
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: to be able to detach is to understand first that
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: it's happening, and to second take action, and to third
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: cleanse the eye of perception so the beautiful can be observed,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: and then find the harmony through all things through the
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: cleansing of your perception and understand that you are just
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: receiving a certain reality tunnel or a model of what's
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: going on. It's not the actual experience. You can never
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: actually see what's actually the experience. That's why we talk
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: about the forms, or in contient terms, the numinus. You're
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: only experiencing the phenomenal, You're only experiencing the representation.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: Of the thing.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: You're actually having an experience. So I don't want to
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: separate subject an object, because you are. You are having
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: an intentional act which is impressing upon a perceived thing
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: upon the world. But you it's it's real, it's actually happening.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: And I think it's really important to know that you
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: can through what we've been talking about, through going through
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: the Golden Dawn papers, through finding your way into Kroley,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: or doing it the opposite like I did. I stumbled
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: into Crowley and Robert Anton Wilson's work and all these
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 4: people's work, right who else Kenneth Grant and then then
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: Zora Regardi And then from there I was like, oh,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: look at this the Golden Dawn interesting. And then from
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: there you'll be like, where did all these things come from?
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: And then you stumble down the rabbit hole through the period.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was even like yeah, even with Crowley,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: I mean see this is another thing, and like I'm
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: glad that you're saying, like and then you moved on
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: to other stuff as well, Like you know, they're not
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: like you get into like an order or something or
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: follow a certain thing, like my opinion, don't get stuck
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: with like some person associated with that or being the
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: only word that that because like I end up getting
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: into David Rankin, who I'm having come back on because
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: I think it was a huge impact for me. All Right,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: I had David Shoemaker on, but he does bring a
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: different angle which was a huge impact for me, you know,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: So that there's other people that I heavenly heavily got
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: into besides Crowley that like really hugely impacted me, and
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: I would say maybe took me further in different areas.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's important because certain like Croley
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: both what Crowley is one of the better writers. I
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: don't care what anybody says, even though he didn't stick
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: to the formats of a William Butler Yates, who I
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: also love his poetry and his work. Right, two members
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: of the Golden Dawn, one more traditionalist and obviously Croley
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: the rebel. But the idea is that from there you know,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: I what is it? I headed around here. I showed
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: it the other day. It's the Book of Filth. It's
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: one of the first besides mainly p Hall. I picked
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: up the Book of Tholf and I started reading it.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: That was one of the first books I ever read
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: of Croley, and like, I didn't know what the hell
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: was going on, but I knew something was happening. I
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: knew it was a living, breathing text, and so I
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: then had that to go back to every time. And
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: in my experience, I was going through the entheogenic consciousness changing.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: I was reading Croley, Robert Anton Wilson and studying philosophy
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 4: at the same time. I've said this before, and so
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: I got really lucky because that was my early twenties
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: that I was going through these things. It led me
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: down to strange path. We all go through strange things
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: as we are. You know. I don't always like to
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: say it this way because I hate the term, but
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: they be burning witches. So there's that. But the idea
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: is that when we are exploring the unknown realms of
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: where most of the light doesn't touch, we need to
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: go into those aspects so we can write what does
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: young talk about Young says, where is the secret mystery
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: of all mysteries and the hidden key of all things?
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: It is, where's the jewel of all jewels? It is
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: hidden within the depths of the place that I'm not
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: willing to look, And once I do, it expands into
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: the philosophy. Right.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: I would even say sometimes looking into the dark is
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: like literally just thinking of other ways of looking at
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: shit that you've never entertained. Yeah, because that's gonna be
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: a whole new area that you've never shed light on before.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: It all.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, And I think what's fascinating is like, know,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 4: I these conversations are important, and you and I jin
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: Kaiva like our homies that they'll rejects, like we can
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: have these kind of conversations and there's no like chest puffing, right,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: And so that goes back to the primate psychology of
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: the robot normal five circuits of consciousness. Obviously, what we're
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: trying to do is we're trying to balance out these
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: circuits like chakras or meridians like in acupuncture. But in
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 4: balancing them out, we're trying to make sure the ones
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 4: that aren't more forward. Right with myself, I can tend
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: towards being over bombastic and gregarious, right, I know that
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: about myself. Well, once you know that, you can tell
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: when you're doing it, and then you can add a
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: sense of levity two things and then be you know,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: the cosmic joke meets the cosmic suffering and levels where
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: you know, I can understand where I'm then hopefully going
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 4: to steal man people's arguments before I tear them down,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: you know, and the first steel man, and then I
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: can work our way through language to show you know,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: I want people to show me theirs, and I'll show
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: you mine. And as we do it, like swords like
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: men or like you know, women or whatever, we can
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: have a sword fight. And that's a spart And I
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: think you truly don't as they say in the Second Matrix,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: as he says to Neil, the Asian kung fu master
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: who protects the Oracle, is all like, wait, you know,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 4: you truly don't know somebody unless you fought them. And
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 4: I think there's something to that, and I think that's
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 4: really important.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people on the show too,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: even Sonri. I got to get him on more with
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: the rest of the crew. He's just really good to
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: have on during the day. So there's just a lot
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: of people that he misses out. But even him, he
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: looks at shit like from so many different angles, and
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: he's like so interested on hearing all this shit. But
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: I think the rest of us are even like we understand, like,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: you know what, even if I'm that sure, like I'm
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: just going to say this as an example, doesn't mean
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: this is the truth. But jinkib be saying something to me,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: possibly even saying that I might be looking at something
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: the wrong way. And the thing is is that I
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: don't think all we all think we know it all
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: that we might actually sit there and be like, you
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: know what, maybe this motherfucker is right, right, you know
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And it'll stall us from being a
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: dick and egotistical because we may even sit there and
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: be like, fuck, maybe they are right. I don't know
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: what to say that all right, Yeah, you know, I
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: like a lot of us like that. We we're just
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: not going to get that defensive because I do think
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: we actually do question that we may not always be.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 4: Right exactly, because questioning authority means to question the authority
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 4: of the false self, of the of the person who
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: the tyrant self who thinks he knows it all, you know,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: And that's why we bring the fire, and that's the
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: Promethean fire that we're all trying to bring to each other.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 4: Is understanding the mythology is real and that it's really
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: important that we each other but also help each other
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 4: move into unknown territories that maybe we wouldn't tread.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've learned so much just from working with people
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: on this show.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 4: I kay. For even just over the last few months
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 4: of interviewing, since I started the beginning of the your interviewing,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: let alone the last year of just podcasting, I'm like,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: holy shit, Like I might change my thoughts and how
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: I feel every reality itself. And I think that's part
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: of then going back to the movements of the AONs
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: and this embodied state we found ourselves in this world.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 4: We are in the age of chaos, were we are
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: culminating at a high rate of information right now as
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 4: we explode into a new world, and we need to
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: become sovereign and we need to be magicians.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's a good thing to say too, just
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: for the for you people listening and might be getting
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: into this stuff. If me and you were to probably
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: pick out our most impactful, our favorite guests, you probably
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: even realize they're all if they are involved in probably
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: different orders for sure, saying so you can even say, look,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: not all of them, Like I'm entertaining all of them.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think even one of them has the right answer,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: That's a great point, now, Yeah, that a lot of it.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: They are all.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: So it's not hate.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that you find there's value in all these things, yes, somewhere, Yeah, somewhere.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: And I completely agree. I think that's a I think
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: that's a great point. And then why certain things which
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: we haven't really touched upon much, even though it's like
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 4: that not one has the answer, Yeah, exactly, but yeah, completely,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: which is why we like the true of life so much? Right?
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: Why the cabalistic true of life, as we've learned, come
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 4: to learn, is a cabinet system for knowledge and as
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 4: we are all, like we talked about earlier, creating our
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: own seven seven seven or book of Correspondences, which then
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: in the east would be the Book of Changes or
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: the Eaching, we are all finding how all the forces
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: of nature move around us and within us, and that's
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: why we take multiple angles and why I try not
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 4: to put myself up on a pedestal too much. But
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 4: also if somebody wants to throw down, I will try
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: to whoop your ass, you know what I mean? Like
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: I am, I do martial arts and train for a reason,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 4: and I am a philosopher because my mind is my sword.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: And I think it's really important that we don't hierarch
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 4: eyes this and gatekeep magic. And it's because if every
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 4: one of us has our own experiences to give and
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 4: when tested, because testing is important, and when we follow
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: maybe hopefully a lineage or a tradition, which I think
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 4: is important, but the tradition doesn't have to be limited
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: to a certain lodge, which is then why I named
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: this whole the thumbnail the way I named it interesting enough,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: magic without a lodge, right, What's that? A play on
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: magic without tears? And it goes back to the rebel
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: himself who never truly rebelled against Christianity. And that's something
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: I got Lon Milea to say, not that I got
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: him to but I was asking the question because we
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: were talking about his new book and I'm going to
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: come out with that next week and it's fascinating enough.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: He only had an hour, and he talks really slow,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 4: but he's brilliant, and so in an hour I couldn't
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: get as much out of him as I wanted, But
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: the things I did were gold. And that was one
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: of them, is that Alistra Crowley wasn't rebelling against Christianity.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 4: He was actually trying to accentuate it, show its true beauty.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: It's funny, I've said on the show once or twice,
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: and I actually wondered if his main issue was the
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: way it was being looked at. Yeah, so I was like,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: if you look at a lot of the stuff again,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: donastic saints, some of the people he mentions, I mean,
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: it's just like you couldn't have had a problem with
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: the church that much. No, I mean, You'll have Valentinus
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: in there, thn Hippolytis, and it's like they're almost kind
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: of like total opposites in some ways, you know, and
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: it's just like, I don't know, it just seems very weird,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: and not until I get into, you know, revealing secrets
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: and initiations, but there are certain things that I look
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: back at now and I'm like, if you were to
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: put a Christian or a Catholic scenery to this, it's
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: no different.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: I agree, No, I completely agree, because it's getting into
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: the esoteric and if not that it's so not that
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 4: it's so much like Blovotsky does with her like there's
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: levels of brainwashing with things like the Lucius Trust right
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 4: that Alice Bailey did and is integrated into this strange
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 4: dark sorcery. I will agree, and as pep Levotsky, I
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: do really like her work, but there's some fuckery. But
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 4: she did talk about, you know, the one religion, and
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 4: so that does veer into why we live in occulted
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: world is because we're seeing this one global order, right,
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: this the new world order. Total control will have to
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 4: be imposed and a world governing body will be there
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 4: to enforce them. Crises precipitate change, right. Where's that from
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 4: the mastermind? Deltron thirty thirty. Shout out to Deltron thirty thirty.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: That is one of the greatest albums of all time.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: And I think it's funny because it's like, that is
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: exactly what we're witnessing, and that's why we must be
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: outlaws of all things. Guerrilla ontology is the only thing
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: that is going to end up again only thing, it's
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: not true, it's one of the things, but it will
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 4: help wake us all up. And what does that mean?
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: To war against being itself? Being as in like what
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 4: does it mean to exist? Not war against being as
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 4: in God? That's we're not trying to tear that down.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: We are warriors on this path as we are all
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: kings and queens and lovers and magicians, and we're trying
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 4: to become fully actualized humans. And we are in an
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: age of dystopic nature where we are warring with other countries.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 4: Who even knows if that's true? Right, people are dying,
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: but as we learn an orwell, they're always changing the warfare.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: But all the parasitic oligarchs up here are just moving
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: pieces around. And so I think the only you know
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: what is alien disclosure, it's consciousness understanding itself. And so you,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: as a human will have your disclosure to aliens. That's interesting, right,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: That's how I see it, because I've had my own disclosure.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: I know d I know the elves exist, right, I've
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: witnessed them, I've seen behind the curtain. I also so
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 4: have had my own high level like visions of my
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: own kind of what you would call an abduction, right,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 4: No anal probing needed. But the idea is that like
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: on these high level of entheogens as a radical and
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 4: a rebel and a ronin of these things, like I
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 4: was foolish, but it led me into initiation, which because
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 4: I had all these other things and the great band
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: Tool who taps you into the shamanic high levels of
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: mystery school initiation. Danny Carey owns the whole first printings
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 4: of all of Alistair Croley's and Kenneth Grant's work the
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 4: Drummer for Tool and lines up all his basses and
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: his and his music. Everything's lined up to say, with geometry,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 4: it's fucking brilliant. And so I know I was, I
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: know I was. I was mk ultred by Tool and
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: Alistair Croley. Right, No anal probing needed. And so it's
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: like really important to know that there is again an
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 4: adapt ship, profits of prophets, align, an ascendancy, a secret
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 4: teaching of all ages, and that you can tap into it.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: But you have to become a hermetic magician. You must
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 4: become an alchemist. There the mysticism and magic are integrated,
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: and you have to have your own sort of reason
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: to cut away the demons and nonsense, because there's a
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: difference between your imagination and the phantasmagoric, your your vision
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: from pure schizophrenia, and we have to understand the difference
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: of these things otherwise we will fall into the pit
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: of despair and we will never walk out of the
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 4: kliplotic journey alive. Yeah, how you feel, Nick, I.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: Like how you said schizophrenia.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, there's like they're all over the place, schizophrenic furbies,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 4: you know, like they're everywhere.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: Like prints.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: Eh, yeah, fast, fascinating right. So technically the question I've
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 4: been asking the whole time since, like I've been trying
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 4: to figure this out because I have my own view.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: Initiation is for everyone. You will never come out of
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 4: being initiated. There are different ventures and different badges and
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 4: different ways of going about it. Some are more authentic
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 4: and honest than others. Obviously, some do hold secrets that
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: you will never get and that's because it's not for
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 4: you right now.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: See, this is this is something like I mean, I
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: guess this would even come for this should work for
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: a ceremonial magic for sure. And I still even think
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: if you take some of the elements in just to
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: like what I'm going to get at. You'll see it
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: cross over the witchcraft as well. But again, like when
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: you're saying self initiation, if you go and look at
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: or for anybody who's been in an order or some
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: kind of coven and went through some initiation, again, all
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: that stuff that was used, you're replicating on your own
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: alter in your own place. Maybe it's all that shit
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: again that is affecting your nervous systems somehow you are
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: now bringing into your own home to self initiate yourself
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: with the same tools that they're using, just in a
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: grander place.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: M yeah, yeah, no, I agree. And then from there
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 4: you take it's a nomonic tool because there is one
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 4: place that you will always stay protected and is there
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: for you at all times, and that's your astral temple,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 4: that's your mind palace. You know. I think that's really
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: important is to take those tools and understand that they
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: have this the significance in the mind world, and to
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: take it in there. Because magic is done both the
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: mind is within the world and the world is within mind.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 4: That's what you learn in the Tree of Life and
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 4: Israel Regardi's work as he's going through it, and he's
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 4: just really making that really really well known. Is that
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 4: it's like we all don't have always, you travel, you
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 4: do things. Magic is for all and for for everywhere,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: and so it's like you never want to be limited. Obviously,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 4: to do certain things in magic, you need certain tools,
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: and so you know that. But I think through time
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 4: the tools get lessened, and we're becoming, as Jen and
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 4: I have talked about in this aon of the Daughter,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 4: we're becoming psionic in the uh what hyper space Kingdom?
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 4: Shout out to Threshold Saints and Jen and Ninja as
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 4: we're moving forward into the hyper space Kingdom. This is
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: really this is a conversation I feel like him and
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: I have been continuing to have and I'm so grateful
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: to be having it with you because it's this is this.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: We're in the arena, right this is we're in the field.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 4: I think so sure, And it's like, you know, like
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 4: we are interacting like I maybe one day we'll get
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 4: invited culture and I'll be able to battle it out
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 4: with Wisconte, you know, but I you know it's not
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 4: needed right now, you know.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 5: And I don't.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I hate to say it is as good as
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: everybody is, I think on this show. For some reason,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't see any of us ever hearty
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: for something like that.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 4: No, but I'm working on it. I at least.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just so new. You're not like associated with us,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: like you're not stamped, like that's not on your forehead
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: yet when you approach people, you know, yeah, they think
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: he's just he's just magus in the media.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: So funny. It's so funny. Yeah, you know, like it's great.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 4: And that goes back to the ghost dog in the Riza.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 4: You know, you should know them by their fruits, and
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 4: there's when you're an outlaw, you're an outlaw for life, yo.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: And that that picture. I was going to say something
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: about that, and that I forgot. If you look at
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: that whole thing, I even wondered if that was just
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: both aspects of the same person, because one's in all
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: black and then the other one isn't all green. So
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: I mean you could even look at that as maybe
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: the emerald tablet or green is an absence I think
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: of a certain color, isn't it. Yeah, and then black
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: isn't black the absent of or whatever or some shit
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: or yeah, whatever, and or it's it's the whatever, yeah,
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: something like that. So I'm wondering if there was actually
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: some sort of actually deep, you know, symbolism going on
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: with that, is that if if it is showing like
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: one is the aspect of the other, then it is
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: showing kind of like the same thing, just different spectrums
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: of it. You know, like you can be the good guy,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: you can be the piece of ship motherfucker as well.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's within all of us.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 4: That is within all of us. No, that's that's that's brilliant. Yeah,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: I do really like that. It's fascinating.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: A lot of times, I even do think you don't
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: have to get too far off. But like even when
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: stuff seems to be a little bit dark, I mean
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: sometimes I think that's it's just like to resemble like
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: the person, like you know, they're they're killing their old
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: beliefs and their old habits. Yes, you know, like you're
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: slaying those things.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 4: It's the blackening.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's necessarily like you're actually killing people.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 4: No, And that's why people get wrong with a lot
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 4: of the cryptic work. Right, we must understand, like John
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 4: d was a brilliant cryptographer, and so understanding of how
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 4: to send code through battle and through space and time
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 4: to like send messages and so like the cookbook, the
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 4: Magician's Cookbook, these ideals of like we change things into
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 4: symbols so the profane aren't able to see them. And
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 4: that's why I get why loges are really important as well,
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 4: because it keeps the profane from witnessing the beautific vision
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 4: of God, which could destroy them. That's like the allegory
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 4: in the myth of like why the profane can't witness
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 4: the splendor of God until you're initiated in an adept
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 4: and then you can witness bits and pieces as you
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 4: climb up the tree until you're able to merge with
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: the all source. That's kind of like the idea. You know,
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 4: wait like fucking two hours and I you know, we
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 4: can blame, we can paint, like you know, it's like
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 4: this I said with Gin. It's like you guys, I
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 4: help out there, understand, Like you're getting the secrets of
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 4: the illuminati out here tonight. We're like droping knowledge, you know,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: at like all times. This is how it works. Like
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 4: like you'll get a book eventually, and maybe a comic
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: book and definitely more videos. But this is an ongoing topic.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 4: In the age of chaos, the surveillance state is rising up.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 4: And unless you're a philosopher, warrior, king, magician, god right,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: the god man, as we're all trying to become, not
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: not take over god right, we can never do that,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 4: never never take over like right, we're just trying to awaken,
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 4: as the buddhast said. But the pallanteer is watching at
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 4: all times. At all times, you are all carrying around
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 4: homing de beacon devices. This is mk ultra in a box.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 4: And unless you tap into your nervous system and take
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 4: control of it, which I haven't completely done that. I
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 4: still let my emotions raise rage sometimes or I'm petty,
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: or I like the forces of whatever come through me,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 4: and I like, we have to continual practice tap into
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: the nervous system through mysticism, right through meditation, through our
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 4: magical states, and then what we're doing in that so
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 4: we understand what's happening is you're taking over the limbic
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 4: system and taking over your sympathetic system into a parasympathetic state.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: So then that with your breathing control the breath, you
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 4: can think clearly and make good decisions instead of being
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 4: a drone, a smith, an agent for the empire which
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 4: never ended, and make sure upon rebelling against the empire,
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 4: you don't then become the empire. Which is the problem
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 4: with a lot of the extremes on the right and
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: or left, is that they both fight against it and
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: become it at the same time, instead of making sure
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 4: we move forward where there is some semblance of harmony,
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 4: instead of the massive sy op that we all live within.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, right man?
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 4: Beautiful, beautiful, What an evening we've had. What a great show,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 4: What a great show. How would you you got any
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 4: parting words and this fine evening that we've had as
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 4: we have if you haven't all already, we've got sixty
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 4: five to seventy beautiful watchers as we go through this night.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 4: I love every single one of you, even even the
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 4: strange person who's trying to figure out what my Why
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 4: I have a white stain on my eyebrow. I hope
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 4: you all know it's because I have vitiligo, and that
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 4: means I've lost pigment in my skin where I have white,
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 4: so in my hair and in my eyebrow, in my chin.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 4: I don't have me I don't have melon in there,
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 4: so there's no pigment, and so wherever that is, it
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 4: strips it of my hair and then thus I get white.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: Hair and soa it's like a whole face some pile
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: of cocado.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. No. This is why I tell people, because
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 4: I deal with a lot of people during the day.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 4: Is I look at them and I say they're like,
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 4: did you die that? And I'm all like, no, I
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 4: don't follow trends. I set them because people would pay
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 4: good money for this.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: So stress.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 4: So that's that's actually what it is. So yes, that's
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 4: actually how I got vit alago. Normally it starts when
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 4: you were young, and for me, it started when I
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 4: was thirty and that was nine years ago now, and
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 4: it just turned on because of two really really stressful years.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and it just happened and it happened fast.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 4: So uh yeah, thank you, thank you, Aris. That's nice
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 4: of you to say. I am yeah. Again, if you
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 4: haven't like, subscribe and share to magas in the media,
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: as I continue to try to uh integrate our dragons
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 4: and battle the arcons, Nick, what do you got for us?
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 4: Any parting words?
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: Again, I would just say like you know what kind
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: of something that I think I re editate, reiterated a
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: few times. Maybe go look at people in the past
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: that are a little bit older than the kind of
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: neo magicians we look at now, you know, and uh,
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: maybe you'll just you know, come across some other stuff
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: that you might realize it's interesting that you don't see
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: being talked about now. Yeah, yeah, because there's a lot
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: more to it than that. I think, my opinion, I
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: even do think that you know, even some of the
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: secrets of secrets or the mysteries or mysteries with some
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: orders you might actually see kind of talked about from
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: different Renaissance people in their books. It's just like, again,
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: those are some of the things you don't see talked
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: about at all anymore. So it's really interesting, you know, yeah,
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: because like you'll even have a lot of people in
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: the past again we're talking about the nervous system. They
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: were talking about your eyeballs in your brain, and they
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: were stressing kind of a real death almost or something too,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: like an outer body experience with being involved in magic.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: You know, So like there's a little bit more to
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: it than just kind of like spinning around with the
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: crystal in your hand and throwing lavender over your shoulder.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: Just keep it a real It might be a little
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: bit more in depth than that. The thing is, it's like, Yo,
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: you're cheating yourself. If that's all you think it is,
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not knocking you actually are totally cheating yourself.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, child's play. That's hilarious. Yeah, it's like you stop
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 4: edging magic.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: And you know that's another thing. It's like already if
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: you know that's the That's the one thing too that
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: I don't get with some people, you know, and you
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: know this is from maybe some people on the same
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: where I'm coming from as well, you know, because with
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: my Mechanic Mechanics and Magic series, I'm not trying to
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: dumb down magic at all. I actually think with the
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: stuff that I'm trying to prove with it, and I
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: do have actually a progression and almost a climax, believe
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: it or not, where it will get to, like you know,
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: some serious ship where it's like I think at the end,
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: by the time I get to a certain point, I
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: think most people again going back to which is why
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: I love having you on the show and bringing you in,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: is how much you stressed with the nervous system, you know.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: I do think that like, by the time I'm done
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: with that series are close to it, people will realize
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: how much it really is on that, you know, and
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: I that's something that's you know, I think is part
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: of the secrets as well nowadays.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the iye right, ocular, the optics. We talked about it,
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 4: and we're gonna bring it up on Monday. Nick's gonna
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 4: come on the Monday night show with My Love and
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 4: the brilliant My Love and the same person, the brilliant
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 4: Kaiva Rose on our Monday evening show. Neck's gonna come on.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about the fucking Black Mirror Part two
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 4: and how optics are so import because al Kindy is
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 4: is the guy who we were talking about. He has
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 4: his whole thing is on stellar magic and stellar rays
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 4: and how important optics are in the whole thing. And
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 4: without him, we would have no John d we would
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 4: have no Renaissance magic, we would have no Aristotle and
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: the Greek being translated into for the rest of Europe
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 4: without Elkindy it's fast, it's fascinating, and without that, and
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 4: then within Agrippa, we have no Agrippa without Agrippa, Golden
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 4: Down and got Ship, you know what I mean. And
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 4: so it's like.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of things, ain't got Ship a lot of.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 4: The whole thing. I completely agree, and so yeah, like
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 4: it's important to everyone make sure you come back if
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 4: you're here tonight, come back Monday night. You get the
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 4: two buffoons before you and the beautiful and the beautiful Kaiva. Yeah,
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 4: and so it's gonna be it's gonna be a good night. Yeah,
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have a great time. Kaiva adds that into definitely. Yeah,
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 4: Oh we're going to so so it's beautiful. Nick, tell
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 4: them where they can find you.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they Occult Rejects. It's on Rumble YouTube, all major podcasts.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: I would say that if you check out the audio,
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: there'll probably be more shows on audio then there will
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: be on YouTube or even on video. So you know,
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: if you don't mind listening instead of watching your show,
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: you'll probably be better off checking out the audio. But
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: there's tons and tons on video. But I just want
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: to let people know that. And we do have a
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: cult research Institute dot org, and I do have a
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: substack if you want to check that out. There is
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: a bunch of free stuff, and then there is you know,
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: you know whatever for the finals a month or some shit.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: You can get other shit, but other stuff to try
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: to sound professionally. But yeah, you can check that out
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: if you want to. It's really it's kind of a
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: way to I guess, you know, donate to the show. Really,
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: but you will get all this stuff that either won't
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: make it onto the show or you will get it
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: way before it ever drops in an episode. So like,
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: if you're into reading, I've literally put whole shows up already,
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: like my whole the whole fucking thing. So yeah, like
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: probably like there's like a show up there that hasn't
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: even dropped yet. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, that probably won't
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: drop for like a month, so people, you know, you
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: get a chance to actually read the show probably, so yeah,
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: go check it out and you could suggest the guests
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: and topics. So nice, thank you. And I'm running running
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: shout out that's yeah, there was, Yeah, I hate it. Yeah,
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: you know, he's my boy. I love the dude. I
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: would I would hang out with him if he you know,
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: I would. I gotta meet the do it honestly, and
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: you and you guys would really love to like one
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: day in real life. But but you know, you remember
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: the last time when I was just I said something
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: about like, yeah, we're gonna keep it short, and you
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: mentioned something about keeping it short, and then yo, he
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: just started going and I was like.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: What the.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: Multiple times, yeah, I was like gonna talk like yo,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: like she can tell Like, I was like, what the
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: fuck is going on right now?
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 4: He's got like sixteen names?
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what is uh the what is it?
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: The Mississippi Mystic, the Mississippi Mystic. That's the fun? Yeah
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: the fuck?
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 4: No, that's good. No, I agree, No, it's great. We
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 4: all Yeah, we're gonna hold Maybe we'll eventually one day
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 4: host our own talk about general, host our own old culture.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh no, I've thought about doing that. Actually, No,
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: that is something that I do want to do because uh,
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: you know again, I don't want to try to like
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: talk about it. I've mentioned it before, but it is
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: something I have actually, like really seriously thought about it,
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: and I have kind of like a half assed looked
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: into it. But I was even thinking, I mean, you
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: could get a couple of like people that come in
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: that aren't from the show, but like technically I was like,
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: if I was to get like two thirds of the
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: show to show up. That would be enough speakers right
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: there for like probably a day or two at least. Yeah,
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: you so many different topics and like it would actually
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: be like and I do believe people would come with
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: a topic. It's not like they're gonna get up there
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: and just freestyle ship for an hour, you know what
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, I think like you'll actually get like
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: an event kind of lecture style too from the people
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: on the show, if they have like six months to
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: prepare for it. I have thought about doing that. I
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: do think that's very doable.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: Well, then there was other reasons why I went to
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: so many events. Is because I wanted to learn you.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the Outlaw, the secret Agent.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you had to like read and read how
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: like how does this ship move? How does it function? Right? Yeah?
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: Ones that did shitty. You know, you realize what not
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: to do?
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I agree, that best way. That's the
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 4: best way to do it. We got a bunch of people,
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 4: a bunch of people in the house tonight. Thank you
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  Speaker 4: all for hanging out with us. I I'm gonna answer
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  Speaker 4: three questions that I saved just really quick. This is
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  Speaker 4: megas in the media speed round, weird walk. That was
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  Speaker 4: exactly why Plato didn't like poets who turned gods into rapists. Agreed, yes,
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  Speaker 4: he didn't like Again, I want everyone to know that
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  Speaker 4: that line of Plato disliking poets is exactly what Nick
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  Speaker 4: was talking about. He didn't like the how like the
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  Speaker 4: profane postmodern It was like the postmodernists and of that
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  Speaker 4: timeframe or kind of creating shitty things that didn't create
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  Speaker 4: harmony and sacredness throughout the spheres. And so it's a
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  Speaker 4: fine line, and I get the fascist argument against that,
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  Speaker 4: but to realize what he was speaking from then, the
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  Speaker 4: harmony of the spheres. In this Western esoteric tradition, we
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  Speaker 4: can see the beautiful and we all know it as
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  Speaker 4: it walks by, and it is exactly that thing that
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  Speaker 4: the eye elicits upon beauty. So that's that's a that's
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  Speaker 4: a great comment. Is there a way to Is there
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  Speaker 4: a way to ask to astraally meet the teachers and
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  Speaker 4: be initiated, invited or maybe a plant like the rose herself. Kimmy,
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  Speaker 4: I will state that you just continue to work, do
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  Speaker 4: the work, and the teachers will be there. It's the
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  Speaker 4: saying you know if you ask, they will come. The
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  Speaker 4: teachers come in many forms, and initiation comes in many ways,
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  Speaker 4: and so do not limit yourself to how you go
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  Speaker 4: through these things. Is there a way to do it? Yes,
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  Speaker 4: do the practices. That's another thing that Graant Morrison said,
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  Speaker 4: He's all like, strange enough, I started doing Alistair Crowley's practices.
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  Speaker 4: Something happened. Do then you got an answer for.
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  Speaker 2: That one, Nick, I was just gonna say, when I
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  Speaker 2: have that, when I've had my experience, I always do
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  Speaker 2: see it looks like roses blooming around the eclipse.
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  Speaker 4: That's beautiful. Well, there's a reason the rose and the
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  Speaker 4: cross right.
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  Speaker 2: I looked at that before too, because I'm like, technically
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  Speaker 2: the way that eclipse and what I see is an
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  Speaker 2: eclipse that starts to pull apart. So all I'm watching
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  Speaker 2: is a crossing. It's beautiful, and I'm like, and I
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  Speaker 2: see all these roses, I was like, oh is that yeah?
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  Speaker 4: You know it's really yeah, the masculine and the feminine,
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  Speaker 4: the beauty of the symbolism of the tarot and the
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  Speaker 4: tree of life unfolding through the rose. Pick up any
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  Speaker 4: lawn Milo book just so you know, it starts off
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  Speaker 4: telling you exactly how the rose blooms. The secrets are there, right,
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  Speaker 4: and then the odyssey equals the odyssey and going home.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's fascinating that on all our adventures we
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  Speaker 4: journey through this mythic time to understand what lies beneath
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  Speaker 4: the surface. And when we do that, we can have
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  Speaker 4: the choice, do you choose the red pill or the
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  Speaker 4: blue pill? And this isn't some strange like are you
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  Speaker 4: masculine or no, it's not that we're going back to
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  Speaker 4: the old realm, the ancient of days, progressing through this
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  Speaker 4: aon of the daughter. And as we do so, we
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  Speaker 4: choose to step away and break free from the mundane
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  Speaker 4: and the matrix, well knowing that we have to venture
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  Speaker 4: back into the cave after we've witnessed the forms, and
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  Speaker 4: we do that as a sovereign magician and as a philosopher,
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  Speaker 4: understanding the true philosophia. Initiation comes in many ways, but
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  Speaker 4: you will know it when it happens, because you will
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  Speaker 4: be changed forever. I hope everyone has a fantastic evening,
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  Speaker 4: just so you know, I'm here, magis in the media,
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  Speaker 4: and we are here to do this with you for
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  Speaker 4: a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: Have a good night, close your words, look into the darkness,
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  Speaker 1: find the lazy storm.
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  Speaker 5: Focus on Andy, be called the eclipse. Don't feel what
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  Speaker 5: the shore begs.
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  Speaker 3: You. Sh