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Not So Fast Episode 16 · Not So Fast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Patz,
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Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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Speaker 1: sports stories of the day. Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Patz.
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Speaker 2: Not so fast, my friends.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He's Paul Paps.
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Speaker 4: Hope you're having a great Wednesday. Better than a growing
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Speaker 4: number of NFL quarterbacks. Paul, we have injuries.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to get to that. Kirk Morrison, former
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Speaker 5: NFL linebacker, friend of the show, Not So Fast. And
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Speaker 5: he covers the Raiders every day. He's in a good mood.
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Speaker 5: The Raiders are in a good mood. But we're going
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Speaker 5: to talk about some serious situations. Pearl, where are we starting?
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Speaker 3: Okay, we can start at a number of teams.
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Speaker 4: Let's go to your favorite team, the Chicago Bears. Caleb Williams,
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Speaker 4: of course, hurt his hamstring last week. Tyson Badgen was
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Speaker 4: supposed to be the backup. We find out Tyson Badgen
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Speaker 4: is in concussion protocol. So that means my guy, my
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Speaker 4: good personal friend, Case Keenum, third string quarterback, could start
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Speaker 4: Monday night against the Eagles. So I don't want to
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Speaker 4: talk to journalists, Paul. I want to talk to Chicago, Paul.
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Speaker 4: South side of Chicago, Paul.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. South side, north side?
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Speaker 6: South side.
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Speaker 3: Okay. Put your Bears hat on. What's the reaction in Chicago?
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Speaker 5: Oh, I think it's interesting because the reaction in Chicago
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Speaker 5: is like in three parts right now.
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Speaker 6: If you go to Sunday.
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Speaker 5: Bears fans thought their franchise, true franchise quarterback, was hurt
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Speaker 5: now for the season. Then they get the good news
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Speaker 5: a day later that he's not hurt that badly, and
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Speaker 5: it's a grade one hamstring pull, which means week to week.
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Speaker 5: So now you're kind of celebrating, but then Chicago media
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Speaker 5: and fans went into this complete defensive mode yesterday.
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Speaker 6: Believe me, I listen to radio there all the time.
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Speaker 5: And they were protecting Caleb Williams' reputation, and people are
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Speaker 5: calling him soft on the internet, inferring he's soft. Even
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Speaker 5: People like media people were saying he was soft. And
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Speaker 5: it became, hey, protect our guy. Then you get the curveball.
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Speaker 5: Tyson Bajent, a pretty good backup, has a concussion, is
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Speaker 5: in the protocol. He may play Monday night, extra days rest.
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Speaker 5: But then you have Case Keenum, who's played a lot
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Speaker 5: of football.
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Speaker 6: So this is an ongoing saga.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: So they weren't having fun with the Internet memes about
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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams going off with pumping his fist. It turns
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Speaker 4: out he'll be back next week.
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Speaker 5: Our favorite, though, was the Pope, who's also from the
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Speaker 5: south side of Chicago, trying to fix Caleb Williams like Mr.
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Speaker 1: Miyagi.
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Speaker 6: That was our favorite.
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Speaker 5: I think people like us could have some fun with
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Speaker 5: that because you realize Caleb Williams, it's good news that
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Speaker 5: he's not hurt. And we were a little surprised of
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Speaker 5: his reaction. But now you're in the position where you
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Speaker 5: lost to the Vikings, which was a bad loss. And
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Speaker 5: now you have Tyson Bajent, may not play, and your
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Speaker 5: third stringer. It feels like too much chaos from a
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Speaker 5: team that scored.
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Speaker 6: 59 points week one.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: And there's some Super Bowl hype around the Bears. Obviously
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Speaker 4: won the division last year.
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Speaker 3: Now, it's funny.
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Speaker 4: They played the Eagles last year in Philadelphia. Caleb Williams
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Speaker 4: actually had a pretty bad day. His number is 17
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Speaker 4: for 36, 154 yards, one TD, one pick. But the
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Speaker 4: Bears ran for almost 300 yards.
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Speaker 3: 281?
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Speaker 4: I don't have the perfect— Swift went for 130, and Mnangai
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Speaker 4: went for 125. They're two running backs. Two guys over
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Speaker 4: 125 yards. So that's the game plan on Monday night.
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Speaker 5: See, I completely disagree on those from Pearl. And your guy,
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Speaker 5: Case Keenum, has played a lot of football. I mean,
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Speaker 5: I always think that the Vikings should have stuck with
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Speaker 5: him instead of pivoting to another quarterback. I think Case
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Speaker 5: Keenum is going to have one of the games of
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Speaker 5: his life on Monday night.
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Speaker 6: He's 38 years old.
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Speaker 5: I don't think he's started since 2022 or 2023. He
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Speaker 5: has to know this is probably my last time starting
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Speaker 5: in the NFL and my last time getting the controls
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Speaker 5: of a team, a good team, on Monday Night Football.
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Speaker 5: I think he both wins this game and plays well.
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Speaker 5: I don't think he game-manages this game.
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Speaker 3: But isn't that adding pressure for Case Keenum?
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Speaker 5: Oh, you mean like this, what I just said? You
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Speaker 5: think Case is like, Paulie, pump the brakes?
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Speaker 4: Paul, you're like, this is your last game. You better
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Speaker 4: play well because you're not getting another shot.
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Speaker 6: I think he's a high-end backup.
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Speaker 5: And we're going to talk about the Giants in a second,
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Speaker 5: but the Bears have a nice backup system in Bajent,
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Speaker 5: and then the senior guy, truly a senior guy, 38
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Speaker 5: years old. So I look at Case Keenum as... He's
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Speaker 5: probably a player coach, not like Udonis Haslam down there
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Speaker 5: with the Heat. But he's a guy who's a luxury item.
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Speaker 5: And you always talk about when you have a quarterback
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Speaker 5: on a rookie contract, you can spend anywhere. They can
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Speaker 5: spend a couple mil on Case Keenum.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: I have some good numbers encouraging for Bears fans. I
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Speaker 4: don't think a lot of people know this.
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Speaker 3: Case Keenum.
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Speaker 4: Has played Eagles defensive coordinator Vic Fangio three times when
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Speaker 4: Fangio was running the defense. He's 3-0, three TDs, no picks, 72%
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Speaker 4: completion percentage.
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Speaker 3: So he knows this defense really well.
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Speaker 5: So we put a positive spin on that. But let's
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Speaker 5: say you're a Bears fan and you see Caleb Williams
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Speaker 5: and how teams are going after him. How nervous are
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Speaker 5: you long-term, even though it might be a short-term injury?
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Speaker 4: You're pretty nervous because, again, I looked at the Bears
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Speaker 4: as a possible Super Bowl pick.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And definitely one of the main contenders in the NFC,
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Speaker 4: probably the best team that's not in the NFC West.
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Speaker 3: You obviously need Caleb Williams.
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Speaker 5: It's like taking Joe Burr away from the Bengals. You
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Speaker 5: feel like you can keep afloat, but you can't do
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Speaker 5: any damage.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: Okay, Paul, we haven't actually not had this kind of
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Speaker 4: breaking news yet in our Not So Fast.
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Speaker 6: You have something?
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Speaker 4: We have some breaking news, apparently. I don't have the
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Speaker 4: graphic immediately in front of me. It turns out Jackson
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Speaker 4: Dart's going to undergo season-ending surgery, suffered damage to MCL, PCL,
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Speaker 4: and meniscus. Originally, it was reported that it could be
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Speaker 4: just meniscus or MCL strain.
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Speaker 3: Apparently, he needs surgery. He's out for the year in
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Speaker 3: New York.
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Speaker 5: What a fascinating story, because if you watch that game,
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Speaker 5: Jackson Dart goes in a locker room, and then the,
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Speaker 5: I think it's Laura Rutledge or someone was doing that game,
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Speaker 5: and they said, Dart wants to go back out there
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Speaker 5: and play. He's trying to come back out and play
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Speaker 5: with severe knee injury.
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Speaker 4: That was Jordan Renan of ESPN who reported that Dart
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Speaker 4: was fighting to get back.
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Speaker 3: You saw him on the sideline. He didn't look like
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Speaker 3: a guy whose season was over. He was engaged. He
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Speaker 3: was walking around okay. I guess not.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the one where you've got to talk
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Speaker 5: to a football player and say, is that the adrenaline
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Speaker 5: and it hasn't kicked in yet? Because that is surreal
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Speaker 5: because this is a serious injury. Let's get to the Giants.
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Speaker 5: We talked about their plan for the season. Having Jameis
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Speaker 5: Winston a month ago would have seemed like a good
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Speaker 5: backup plan. He played so poorly, he looked like a
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Speaker 5: guy imitating an NFL athlete because he was horrible. If
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Speaker 5: he had played C-plus football, they could have gone in
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Speaker 5: tied at halftime. If you're the Giants, what level of
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Speaker 5: hope have you lost?
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Speaker 3: Oh my God, all hope.
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Speaker 2: 100%.
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Speaker 3: 100%.
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Speaker 2: I'm going, done.
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Speaker 3: There's nobody on the market.
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Speaker 4: They've been talking about a guy they had in camp,
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Speaker 4: Brandon Allen, a longtime backup in the NFL.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, they're not going back to Russell Wilson.
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Speaker 4: That was a disaster last year, even though Russell Wilson
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Speaker 4: is probably available.
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Speaker 5: But if you're the Giants, you can't trade for a
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Speaker 5: good quarterback because you're not ready to compete yet.
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Speaker 6: That would be like a wasted draft pick. You know
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Speaker 6: what I'm saying?
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Speaker 3: How about J.J. McCarthy?
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Speaker 6: Okay, that could solve problems.
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Speaker 3: But that's not going to get you to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 5: It's not going to get you to the Super Bowl,
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Speaker 5: and now you have McCarthy on your roster, and when
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Speaker 5: Jackson Dart gets hurt, now you have a mess.
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Speaker 6: You're trading for a mess.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a lot going on here, too, because
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Speaker 4: Malik Nabors is in and out of the lineup. Without
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Speaker 4: Jackson Dart there, are you really going to risk Nabors' health?
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Speaker 4: You might put him on the side burner for a
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Speaker 4: little while. Cam Scadaboo takes a lot of toll. Are
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Speaker 4: you going to want to use a lot of Cam Scadaboo?
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Speaker 4: Are you already thinking about next year?
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Speaker 6: I think you have to.
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Speaker 5: I think if you're the management or the GM of
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Speaker 5: the Giants, you think, This may just not work out,
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Speaker 5: and we just got caught a bad break, like when
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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers went down a couple years ago. And you're
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Speaker 5: not playing for the draft, and you don't say this publicly,
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Speaker 5: but if somehow Jackson Dart gets healthy, you get a
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Speaker 5: top-five draft pick. Next thing you know, Jeremiah Love is
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Speaker 5: available from Ohio State. It could be one of those
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Speaker 5: unintentional great injuries. I don't say great, I mean... Good
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Speaker 5: for the franchise.
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Speaker 4: I just can't picture the Giants with Malik Nabors and
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Speaker 4: Jeremiah Smith.
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Speaker 6: Some Giants fans can.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, actually I'm getting into it later in
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Speaker 4: warm takes, but I think there's a scenario where they
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Speaker 4: also look quarterback.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to give it away. I don't want
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Speaker 3: to give it away.
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Speaker 6: What's our next situation?
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Next situation is Washington, which is, again, we're getting on
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Speaker 4: the hopeless end of the scale. People have seen it
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Speaker 4: by now, but Jaden Daniels went down against Dallas at
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Speaker 4: the end of the first half. Gruesome arm injury. It's
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Speaker 4: an elbow dislocation that he suffered before. It does not
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Speaker 4: look good. We're not exactly sure how long he's going
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Speaker 4: to be out. It might not be season-ending, but it
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Speaker 4: does not seem like there's any reason for optimism in Washington.
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Speaker 6: Okay, so there's an injury.
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Speaker 5: We've all seen it. We know he's going to be
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Speaker 5: out for a while. A very awkward injury, basically a non-contact.
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Speaker 5: The bigger picture is, and we've been talking about this,
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Speaker 5: this has been playing out on social media. Watch his
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Speaker 5: fellow offensive players and offensive linemen after he gets hurt
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Speaker 5: and their level of concern or lack of concern.
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Speaker 3: Okay. What do you see? Well, people are glancing at him.
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Speaker 4: They see the trainer run out, and nobody's even stopping
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Speaker 4: to pause to look for three seconds.
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Speaker 3: They have to get off the field because it's halftime.
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Speaker 3: I get that. But you can at least make sure
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Speaker 3: your guy is okay.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to back the players for Washington, the commanders,
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Speaker 5: just a little bit because halftime, I think, in the
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Speaker 5: NFL is 12 minutes. You're told to get off the field, bathroom,
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Speaker 5: water up, meet your position coach, and get back on.
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Speaker 5: I think I'm going to use that because it happened
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Speaker 5: at the end of the half that you have to
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Speaker 5: get off the field. They didn't even break stride, some
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Speaker 5: of those guys. I don't know if we can run
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Speaker 5: that back, but they didn't even break stride. They did
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Speaker 5: a glance at him.
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Speaker 4: Let's look at it again. So the thing about that,
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Speaker 4: they have to get off the field. They're going so slowly, Paul.
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Speaker 4: They're in no rush to get anywhere.
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Speaker 3: 72, he's barely going to get off in time before
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Speaker 3: halftime's over.
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Speaker 5: You've got to give Marcus Mariota credit. He both goes out,
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Speaker 5: checks on him, takes a knee. and supports him, but
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Speaker 5: he wasn't on the field.
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Speaker 4: So Mariota is not worried about halftime. No, I think
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Speaker 4: there's something really unusual happening here. Either they didn't understand
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Speaker 4: what was happening, or do you think it's possible they
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Speaker 4: have a Jaden Daniels issue? Remember, this is Washington, a
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Speaker 4: team that did not like RG3 when he was there.
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Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people have suggested that on
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Speaker 5: the internet. When I say internet, no one of reputable
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Speaker 5: said it. But when you watch that video, it's hard
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Speaker 5: to explain away. The only thing I could think is,
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Speaker 5: Professional athletes don't let likability come into things on Sunday,
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Speaker 5: I don't think. I think they would back their guy,
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Speaker 5: checking him. I think this is mostly about halftime and
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Speaker 5: getting off expeditiously.
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Speaker 3: Right. Who doesn't like Jaden Daniels? LSU fans?
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Speaker 6: LSU fans lately, a little bit, but I don't know
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Speaker 6: if they were in the building.
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure some of his dates appreciate when Jane
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Speaker 4: Daniels brings his mother on the date.
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Speaker 3: That's another side topic here. But if you look at
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Speaker 3: the guys.
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Speaker 6: It's the weirdest video of the year so far.
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Speaker 3: 71 has five minutes. Oh, it looks bad? Whatever.
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Speaker 5: It's actually worse for number 71 because he's aware of it,
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Speaker 5: sees the severity, and continues to walk up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Nobody's thinking this guy's okay. Trainers are sprinting out 100
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Speaker 4: miles an hour.
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Speaker 3: I think Washington probably should address this. Maybe we're making
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Speaker 3: too big a deal of it.
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Speaker 6: It's getting a lot of play.
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Speaker 4: Here I am making fun of Caleb Williams and making
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Speaker 4: fun of NFL players who are Warriors, and there is
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Speaker 4: a brotherhood.
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Speaker 3: I get it.
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Speaker 5: All right, one thing before we break. Does it feel
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Speaker 5: like there's an extra rash of injuries this year? Is
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Speaker 5: this big-name players, quarterbacks especially, getting injured in national TV
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Speaker 5: games make us think there's more injuries?
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Speaker 3: I think the rate is high.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you could dispel this, but it feels like
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Speaker 4: we've seen a couple guys go down really early.
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Speaker 3: We're only two weeks into the season, Paul. I know
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Speaker 3: they're backups by week eight, but week three?
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Speaker 5: Darnold, Dart, Daniels, Caleb, Kyler Murray, Penix. There's a lot
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Speaker 5: of names there. Darnold's a defending champ. Dart was national TV.
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Speaker 5: Jane Daniels, franchise guy. Caleb Williams, franchise guy.
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Speaker 6: I think this makes.
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Speaker 5: People think the NFL has some injury problem as opposed
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Speaker 5: to an anomaly of big names.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, come on. Any starting quarterback in the
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Speaker 4: NFL is a big name. Those aren't even particularly big names.
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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray's on the veteran minimum. Sam Darnold's not a
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Speaker 4: huge star.
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Speaker 6: If Jacoby Brissett got injured, it wouldn't even have made
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Speaker 6: our graphic.
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Speaker 4: There's probably four quarterbacks who nobody cares about. The other
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Speaker 4: 28 are a big deal, Paul. So I do think
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Speaker 4: this is something to watch. There are not that many
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Speaker 4: backup quarterbacks, apparently. I'm really curious. Are the Giants... I
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Speaker 4: like that J.J. McCarthy idea or something. Or maybe trade for.
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Speaker 3: I have no idea who an extra guy is, but
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Speaker 3: they can't go Jameis.
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Speaker 5: The only person I would think about trading for is
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Speaker 5: Mac Jones, the backup of the 49ers.
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Speaker 6: But I wouldn't do it if I was the Giants.
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Speaker 5: If I was a contender or contender-ish team, Mac Jones'
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Speaker 5: final year of his deal, his two-year deal with the 49ers,
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Speaker 5: he could be expendable because Brock Purdy looks like he's perfect.
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Speaker 4: My Eagles have an extra guy because Andy Dalton and
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Speaker 4: Tanner McKee were fighting for the job. And they were
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Speaker 4: holding onto McKee to trade him. They never got around
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Speaker 4: to that.
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Speaker 3: Well... Maybe now there's a chance.
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Speaker 4: Okay, coming up on Not So Fast, I have a
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Speaker 4: draft idea about Arch Manning that's going to cause a
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Speaker 4: lot of controversy around the NFL.
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Speaker 3: That's next, Not So Fast.
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Speaker 5: We love us some baseball in the midday pick-me-up pass
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Speaker 5: from Pearl off Not So Fast. Oh, great day down
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Speaker 5: in Tampa. Your raise, Pearl.
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Speaker 3: My raise?
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Speaker 6: In front of a big crowd at Yankee Stadium. Sparse. Clinch.
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Speaker 6: The AL East. Number one seed in the AL.
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Speaker 5: Great record, best record in the AL, and they only
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Speaker 5: spend in the top 20 year race.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but we've seen the Rays do this before and
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Speaker 4: not go all the way. They're not my Rays, by
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Speaker 4: the way. I'm all about the Phillies right now, but
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Speaker 4: I do respect that they find a way to win
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Speaker 4: in this day and age.
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Speaker 3: It's incredible.
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Speaker 5: I was going to offer to buy you a car
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Speaker 5: if you could name me four Tampa Bay Rays, but
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Speaker 5: we won't do that.
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Speaker 6: We've got a lot to get to.
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Speaker 5: It's time for warm takes here on Not So Fast
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Speaker 5: with Pabst and Perloff.
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Speaker 3: I'll go first.
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Speaker 6: I got a warm one.
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Speaker 5: This is an emergency audible warm take I'm calling based
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Speaker 5: off something you said in segment one of this show.
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Speaker 5: You said the Giants season is over. Nothing is over.
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Speaker 5: John Belushi said it. Nothing is over. Never say the
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Speaker 5: season is over when your quarterback gets hurt. It feels
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Speaker 5: very dour right now. Great word, by the way, if
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Speaker 5: you're a Giants fan, but it's not over. Jameis Winston
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Speaker 5: looked awful.
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Speaker 6: It's not over.
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Speaker 5: Let's go back a little bit. Carson Wentz goes down.
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Speaker 5: He was a star for the Eagles. Nick Foles, leads
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Speaker 5: into the Super Bowl. You can go back to Trent Green,
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Speaker 5: goes down for the St. Louis Rams. Decades ago, decades ago,
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Speaker 5: Trent Green goes down. Kurt Warner comes in, okay? I'm
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Speaker 5: going to go back even further. Jeff Hostetler goes down
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Speaker 5: for the Giants. Who doesn't remember that? Look at this
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Speaker 5: guy in the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 6: There he is, Kurt Warner.
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Speaker 5: Jeff Hostetler for the New York Giants way back in
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Speaker 5: the day, fills in for Phil Simms.
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Speaker 6: There he is winning a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 5: Tom Brady was a nobody when Drew Bledsoe went down,
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Speaker 5: and today is the 21st anniversary of Drew Bledsoe getting
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Speaker 5: hurt and Tom Brady coming in for him against the Jets.
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Speaker 6: Nothing is over.
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Speaker 5: Now, Jameis, when I saw Jameis play the other day,
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Speaker 5: I almost did what you did and said, this season
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Speaker 5: is over.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully he can get back.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if he can, but there's a lot
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Speaker 5: of doubt right now. So if you have a good backup,
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Speaker 5: it's great. The better thing to have is a really
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Speaker 5: good team around that backup. Look at Seattle right now. Seattle,
14:10
Speaker 5: no one's even panicked at all. Sam Darnold is hurt.
14:12
Speaker 5: The defending Super Bowl champion quarterback is hurt. And Drew
14:15
Speaker 5: Locke is just carrying things along. So if you're going
14:18
Speaker 5: to say it's over, never say it's over, bro.
14:20
Speaker 3: Okay, then let's do some kind of bet.
14:22
Speaker 6: Keep it friendly?
14:23
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you can name any kind of odds you want.
14:26
Speaker 3: I am sticking by. I know you're absolutely right. Obviously,
14:30
Speaker 3: on the Tom Brady day.
14:31
Speaker 6: Are you taking me back?
14:33
Speaker 3: Yeah.
14:33
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, put your money where your mouth
14:36
Speaker 4: is because you're saying the Giants have a chance.
14:38
Speaker 3: That is what I'm hearing.
14:39
Speaker 6: I'm saying they have a chance as opposed to no chance.
14:43
Speaker 5: All right, let's make a bet. Jameis Winston wins five
14:46
Speaker 5: games as a starter this year over under four and
14:50
Speaker 5: a half.
14:51
Speaker 3: I'll go under for sure. Keep it friendly.
14:53
Speaker 7: That's a bet.
14:54
Speaker 6: That's on the area.
14:55
Speaker 3: One win. I do not see it happening. Now, you
14:57
Speaker 3: say Jameis Winston. Are you sure they're going to stick
14:59
Speaker 3: with Jameis? I have no idea. So if they get
15:01
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson out of the booth, then I win the bet.
15:03
Speaker 3: All right. Well, you made a good argument, although I
15:05
Speaker 3: still don't think that you believe in the Giants. Okay.
15:09
Speaker 3: I'm going to switch to college football.
15:11
Speaker 4: Trinidad Chambliss, probably the Heisman frontrunner right now out of
15:14
Speaker 4: Ole Miss. Also, a lot of talk about the NFL. Now,
15:17
Speaker 4: the NFL is a copycat league when it comes to drafting.
15:20
Speaker 4: So they need to see it work before they draft
15:23
Speaker 4: it the next year. Trinidad Chambliss could not be luckier
15:27
Speaker 4: because there are two quarterbacks in the NFL are proving
15:29
Speaker 4: that Trinidad Chambliss can be an NFL quarterback.
15:31
Speaker 3: Number one is down in Carolina.
15:33
Speaker 4: Of course, that's Bryce Young, who is quite short, about
15:36
Speaker 4: the same size as Trinidad Chambliss. And he is throwing
15:39
Speaker 4: the ball all over the field.
15:41
Speaker 3: No vision problems.
15:42
Speaker 4: I don't know how good the Panthers are, but I
15:44
Speaker 4: know that Bryce Young can put up 300 yards a game.
15:46
Speaker 3: So he's been good. But to me, I go to
15:49
Speaker 3: the other scale height-wise.
15:51
Speaker 4: Tyler Shuck came into the league at 25, and that's
15:54
Speaker 4: the other issue with Chambliss.
15:55
Speaker 3: He's old. He's going to be 25 come draft time.
15:58
Speaker 4: So these two quarterbacks, to me, say that Trinidad Chambliss
16:01
Speaker 4: can work in the NFL. And we've seen, because of
16:04
Speaker 4: the transfer portal, a lot of older quarterbacks come in.
16:07
Speaker 3: There used to be taboo around taking a guy after
16:10
Speaker 3: he's 22. Not anymore. You look at the list of
16:12
Speaker 3: guys who came into the league late, and Shuck is
16:14
Speaker 3: the ultimate. Because when the Saints drafted him, everyone said, oh,
16:17
Speaker 3: he's too old. He's injury prone. Guess what? He looks
16:19
Speaker 3: like a star.
16:21
Speaker 4: I think Chambliss will be very, very attractive to NFL teams.
16:24
Speaker 4: I'm not saying number one overall, but I think top
16:27
Speaker 4: 10 is very much in play.
16:28
Speaker 5: I like to ask the control room if we can
16:30
Speaker 5: have a warm take of the week, maybe the warmies.
16:32
Speaker 5: This will be a take. I love this take by
16:34
Speaker 5: you because you're going counter to this. Tyler Shuck is
16:37
Speaker 5: playing good football. He started a truckload of games in college.
16:40
Speaker 5: Trinidad Chambliss is going to come in extremely experienced. He's
16:43
Speaker 5: a safer pick. Cam Ward played a lot, but Liberty
16:46
Speaker 5: and the team he's on. But I think Tyler Shuck
16:49
Speaker 5: opens the door for Trinidad Chambliss. Chambliss might be short,
16:52
Speaker 5: but he's stocky, big, and tough. I have no issues
16:55
Speaker 5: with his size or his experience or his age because
16:58
Speaker 5: they either work out or they don't. How good does
17:01
Speaker 5: Tyler Shuck now look making $ 2.
17:02
Speaker 6: 1 million a year?
17:04
Speaker 3: Amazing. By the way, Cam Ward incarnate word.
17:07
Speaker 6: Incarnate word?
17:08
Speaker 3: Malik Willis.
17:08
Speaker 6: Malik Willis, Liberty.
17:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, and probably three other schools in between. Yeah, no,
17:13
Speaker 4: that's the thing about today's day and age. You cannot
17:15
Speaker 4: have the quarterback trajectory of the old days. It used
17:18
Speaker 4: to be a guy gets recruited by Alabama, goes into
17:21
Speaker 4: the draft, we're done.
17:21
Speaker 5: Right, you don't want to take one-hit wonders. And no offense,
17:24
Speaker 5: but Mark Sanchez had one year at USC.
17:26
Speaker 6: If you look at.
17:28
Speaker 5: But there's other quarterbacks who played one year. Achilles Smith,
17:31
Speaker 5: a generation ago, played one year at Oregon, and everyone
17:33
Speaker 5: fell in love with him.
17:33
Speaker 6: That's dangerous.
17:34
Speaker 3: Mitch Trubisky. Trubisky. You know, the opposite.
17:36
Speaker 4: Fernando Mendoza. A lot of experience. We really didn't know
17:39
Speaker 4: much about him at Cal. Goes to Miami. Trinidad Chambliss
17:42
Speaker 4: is on the trend.
17:43
Speaker 3: He is short.
17:44
Speaker 4: That's a bit of an issue. That's why I still
17:46
Speaker 4: think Arch Manning goes higher. But I have Trinidad-Chambliss really high.
17:49
Speaker 6: I want my quarterback to have played for at least
17:51
Speaker 6: three colleges. That's a new policy.
17:52
Speaker 3: Three colleges?
17:53
Speaker 6: At least three colleges. I'm not so fast.
17:54
Speaker 3: That's because you spent six years in college. I did.
17:56
Speaker 5: One school, no master's degree. Time for my next warm take.
17:59
Speaker 6: Hey, Southern Illinois.
18:00
Speaker 2: All right.
18:01
Speaker 6: I was watching baseball last night.
18:02
Speaker 5: And I remember when they were talking about the new
18:05
Speaker 5: digital umpire system, Robo-Umps, which is not a Robo-Ump.
18:09
Speaker 6: A lot of people were bothered by it.
18:10
Speaker 5: Old school people, people like me, people like others said,
18:13
Speaker 5: I want umpires to control their strike zones. But they
18:16
Speaker 5: developed a system where the catcher pats his head, very
18:19
Speaker 5: easy to see on TV, even in a bar where
18:21
Speaker 5: you can't hear a game. And then they quickly do
18:24
Speaker 5: a replay, and it's almost instantaneous. It reminds me a
18:27
Speaker 5: little bit of tennis, their out-of-bounds, in-bounds replay system where
18:31
Speaker 5: it's almost instantaneous. I was watching the Cubs last night.
18:34
Speaker 5: The guy is getting ready to pat his head. He
18:36
Speaker 5: looks to the manager. And he shakes off the pat.
18:38
Speaker 5: He does the non-pat. He pat fakes and doesn't go
18:41
Speaker 5: with it. So not only do the fans in the
18:44
Speaker 5: stands see this in real time, also the replay is
18:48
Speaker 5: played on the Jumbotron at all major league stadiums. So
18:51
Speaker 5: all fans go like this. They go, ah, and they
18:53
Speaker 5: see the replay. And now it's strategy. Do you save
18:56
Speaker 5: my head pat for the extra innings or not? The
18:59
Speaker 5: other thing I've got a little bit of a problem with, though,
19:00
Speaker 5: is Extra innings, there's a runner on second base. I
19:04
Speaker 5: know it's been around since I think 2021, 2020 season.
19:08
Speaker 5: I can't get used to it, and I don't think
19:10
Speaker 5: it's right. It's like a hall pass. Now, you up
19:13
Speaker 5: the urgency. You put the pitcher in a complete jam
19:16
Speaker 5: to start extra innings. But the fact that it's used
19:18
Speaker 5: during the regular season and not during the playoffs, I
19:21
Speaker 5: don't like any rules that are only used part-time.
19:23
Speaker 6: If it's a rule, make it full-time.
19:25
Speaker 5: But if you can't use it in the playoffs, you
19:27
Speaker 5: shouldn't use it in the regular season because that means
19:29
Speaker 5: you prepare differently for extra inning games.
19:32
Speaker 3: I don't know. All the kids out there who have
19:33
Speaker 3: to stay up until the 13th inning, people have homework, Paul.
19:36
Speaker 6: They're not old dudes like us who have to go
19:38
Speaker 6: to bed. Kids are just going like this.
19:39
Speaker 3: Watch it.
19:40
Speaker 6: 14th inning, 15th inning, that's fine.
19:42
Speaker 4: I think you're a little late, you have to admit,
19:44
Speaker 4: on complaining about the ghost runner, Paul.
19:45
Speaker 5: Well, I was watching last night, and I thought it
19:48
Speaker 5: was an experiment. I did not think they would.
19:50
Speaker 6: Stick with it.
19:50
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they have. I mean, baseball, you know, Rob
19:53
Speaker 3: Manfred's got a lot of praise for all of these.
19:55
Speaker 6: It's working out.
19:56
Speaker 4: Okay, I did draft in my last warm take, and
19:58
Speaker 4: I'm going right back there. Let's talk about Arch Manning
20:00
Speaker 4: once again. Coming into the season, there was a narrative
20:03
Speaker 4: that Cleveland Browns were tanking.
20:05
Speaker 3: Their owner, Jimmy.
20:06
Speaker 4: Haslam, loves Peyton Manning. He's a huge University of Tennessee booster.
20:10
Speaker 4: So the Browns were connected to Arch. A lot of
20:12
Speaker 4: other teams were sort of thinking about Arch. But now
20:14
Speaker 4: there are two new teams in the Arch sweepstakes. The
20:17
Speaker 4: Colts are 0-2, Paul. And they look like they're going
20:19
Speaker 4: to have some injury problems. And the New York Giants,
20:22
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, have a major injury problem at quarterback.
20:26
Speaker 3: Now, we never thought the Giants... Hold on, I need a.
20:28
Speaker 6: This is warm, man.
20:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, we never thought the Giants would be tanking or
20:31
Speaker 4: anything like that. But if they end up with, say,
20:35
Speaker 4: 2-15 and get the top three pick.
20:38
Speaker 3: And Eli.
20:40
Speaker 4: Manning Giants are there. You don't think that there's going
20:43
Speaker 4: to be chatter in New York to further tank and
20:46
Speaker 4: get Arch Manning?
20:46
Speaker 5: And if somehow CJ Carr goes number one or Jeremiah
20:50
Speaker 5: Smith goes number one and they're sitting there where they
20:52
Speaker 5: don't have to trade up to get him?
20:54
Speaker 3: Well, it's not even that. Think about Eli.
20:57
Speaker 4: If they're at four and the Miami Dolphins are at one,
21:00
Speaker 4: you know, Arch could say, I don't want to go
21:01
Speaker 4: to Miami.
21:02
Speaker 3: I want to go to Uncle Eli's team.
21:04
Speaker 5: I think there's a fantastic take for a couple of reasons.
21:06
Speaker 6: It's unexpected.
21:07
Speaker 5: It reminds me of when Peyton Manning got hurt and
21:10
Speaker 5: they unexpectedly got Andrew Luck. Sometimes you have an injury
21:13
Speaker 5: and you're unexpectedly in the top five of the draft.
21:15
Speaker 5: If you remember with basketball years ago, David Robinson hurts
21:18
Speaker 5: his back. Next thing you know, they got Tim Duncan.
21:21
Speaker 5: Things like this happen. So your Jameis Winston being feeble
21:23
Speaker 5: take can have a silver lining.
21:26
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, obviously we talked about Jeremiah Smith also
21:29
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense.
21:30
Speaker 4: But I think it's Arch because of Eli. That might
21:33
Speaker 4: be a problem for Jackson Dart. The other team, Tennessee...
21:36
Speaker 4: So Cam wore number one two years ago. You know, Tennessee, Nashville,
21:40
Speaker 4: University of Tennessee, Peyton Manning. I think if Arch Manning
21:43
Speaker 4: was sitting there, too, they're opening a new stadium.
21:46
Speaker 3: I think they would want Arch as well.
21:47
Speaker 5: I think all those are in play because he is
21:48
Speaker 5: kind of a safe pick, sure thing.
21:50
Speaker 6: Marketing darling.
21:51
Speaker 3: It's a marketing thing, too.
21:52
Speaker 5: And I think the Manning name is a safe pick.
21:54
Speaker 5: We used to do a thing called the bust metric,
21:56
Speaker 5: the bust meter. He doesn't feel like he has bust
21:58
Speaker 5: in him. Look at Eli Manning. Did he have a
22:01
Speaker 5: great career during the regular season? No, he had a
22:03
Speaker 5: good career. But when he needed to, he had a
22:05
Speaker 5: great career in the postseason.
22:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if the Giants say he had number two,
22:08
Speaker 3: I like your scenario. C.J.
22:09
Speaker 4: Cargo is number one. I think the Giants have to
22:11
Speaker 4: take him. I think the public pressure would be enormous.
22:13
Speaker 6: Oh, I think you're 100% right.
22:14
Speaker 5: All right, before we go, let's play a little game here,
22:17
Speaker 5: lighten the mood with all these injuries. Let's play a
22:19
Speaker 5: little Who Said It. Now, Perloff, you and I are
22:21
Speaker 5: terrible at this game, but we're going to see if
22:23
Speaker 5: we can recover. Who said this? People try to compare
22:26
Speaker 5: people all the time, but I feel like he's one
22:29
Speaker 5: of one. He's making a name for himself in this league,
22:31
Speaker 5: and by the end of the year, I think he's
22:32
Speaker 5: going to be one of the top quarterbacks.
22:34
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're talking about a young quarterback in the NFL.
22:38
Speaker 4: I'm going to say Tyler Shuck, and that would be
22:40
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore, his coach.
22:42
Speaker 5: Man, I hate to go with you, but I don't
22:44
Speaker 5: want you to go solo. I think I'm going to
22:48
Speaker 5: go with Bryce Young.
22:49
Speaker 6: Okay. I don't believe it, Dave Kanellis, but I kind
22:52
Speaker 6: of believe it.
22:52
Speaker 3: Here we go.
22:55
Speaker 8: People try to compare people all the time, but... I
22:58
Speaker 8: feel like Tyler's one-on-one. That's Chris Olave, the great wide receiver.
23:01
Speaker 8: He's making a name for himself in his league. And
23:02
Speaker 8: it's going to be, by the end of the year,
23:04
Speaker 8: I feel like he's going to be one of the
23:05
Speaker 8: top quarterbacks.
23:06
Speaker 3: So I get half a point.
23:07
Speaker 2: You definitely.
23:07
Speaker 5: I'm going to give you an easy half point because
23:09
Speaker 5: you have the right team. On the official chart now,
23:11
Speaker 5: you're ahead of me.
23:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't really sold on Kellen Moore as my choice.
23:14
Speaker 4: I knew it was Tyler Shuck we were talking about.
23:16
Speaker 3: I should have gone Olave.
23:17
Speaker 6: Chris Olave, by the way, underrated.
23:19
Speaker 5: All right, coming up next, we're going to talk a
23:21
Speaker 5: lot more about the Raiders, about different situations. And Kirk Morrison,
23:24
Speaker 5: former NFL linebacker and current Raiders broadcaster, will join us
23:27
Speaker 5: right here.
23:28
Speaker 6: Not so fast. Stick around.
23:30
Speaker 3: Welcome back. Not so fast. NBC Sports Now. Peacock. I'm
23:33
Speaker 3: Andrew Perloff. He's Paul Paps.
23:36
Speaker 4: Paul, we've been fired up all day for this guest.
23:38
Speaker 5: This guy is a former NFL player that can actually
23:40
Speaker 5: say is a buddy of ours.
23:41
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, at least we consider him a buddy. He's
23:44
Speaker 3: Kirk Morrison, of course, a radio's color analyst, serious XM
23:48
Speaker 3: NFL radio host, ESPN College Football. Very busy. Kirk, great
23:52
Speaker 3: to see you. How are you doing?
23:54
Speaker 9: Oh, man, great to be with you guys. Paulie, Herloff, man,
23:57
Speaker 9: it's been way too long, fellas.
23:59
Speaker 2: How we doing?
24:00
Speaker 5: It's great to have you on the show. And the
24:01
Speaker 5: reason we called you, we called you kind of by
24:03
Speaker 5: surprise because you cover the Raiders, you broadcast the Raiders.
24:07
Speaker 5: We didn't think they'd be good this early, Kirk, so
24:08
Speaker 5: we called you up. How sustainable, how good does it
24:11
Speaker 5: feel out there in the desert so far?
24:15
Speaker 9: To be honest, it feels pretty good, guys. It feels
24:17
Speaker 9: pretty good. This has been a long time coming. I mean,
24:20
Speaker 9: this organization has been... Been through some ups and downs.
24:24
Speaker 9: I mean, head coaches, general managers. And finally, there seems
24:28
Speaker 9: like there's been some stabilities ever since the hire happened.
24:31
Speaker 9: Clint Kubiak, to me, the way that he went about
24:34
Speaker 9: his business this offseason, the way that they handled the
24:38
Speaker 9: free agency, the draft and picking Fernando, but then drafting
24:43
Speaker 9: some quality football players, training camp went well. And so
24:47
Speaker 9: we had an inkling that this football team is going
24:50
Speaker 9: to be much more improved than the three wins in
24:52
Speaker 9: twenty twenty five. We just didn't expect it to happen
24:56
Speaker 9: as quickly as we've seen so far in the first
24:58
Speaker 9: couple weeks. But this football team looks a lot different
25:02
Speaker 9: than we expected, for sure.
25:04
Speaker 3: Why do you think Kirk Cousins is going to give
25:06
Speaker 3: up this job, Kirk?
25:09
Speaker 9: Look, man, I mean, Kirk understands his opportunity. We've spoken
25:13
Speaker 9: to him many times in our production meetings. And even
25:16
Speaker 9: after practice, I try to get a word or two
25:18
Speaker 9: in with him after every game. And The one thing that, Perloff,
25:22
Speaker 9: I can tell you this. He understands his role. Like,
25:26
Speaker 9: he knows in full transparency the Raiders' opportunity was for
25:31
Speaker 9: Kirk Cousins to have his job as the starting quarterback
25:35
Speaker 9: because he's earned it. And that Fernando Mendoza is the
25:38
Speaker 9: quarterback for the future. So there is no looking over
25:42
Speaker 9: the shoulder situation right now. Kirk Cousins is playing fantastic.
25:46
Speaker 10: Like, seriously.
25:47
Speaker 2: He's throwing a deep ball. He's doing everything. But also.
25:50
Speaker 9: He's showing Fernando Mendoza the way of how to be
25:53
Speaker 9: an NFL quarterback.
25:54
Speaker 2: So it's working out.
25:56
Speaker 9: And to answer your question, if Kirk Cousins keeps winning, Perloff,
26:00
Speaker 9: I don't know if he's giving up the football.
26:01
Speaker 7: Let's be real.
26:02
Speaker 5: You know, I want to go back, Kirk, on this
26:04
Speaker 5: topic because the Raiders historically sometimes didn't have a great plan.
26:08
Speaker 5: And we debated this. I think taking Mendoza was really smart, obviously.
26:12
Speaker 5: But they're in the 10-year, 15-year plan. Instead of playing
26:16
Speaker 5: him week two or week one, Remember Bryce Young? He
26:18
Speaker 5: had to get benched because he played so poorly. I
26:21
Speaker 5: love that their plan was, hey, this year is see
26:24
Speaker 5: what you got. Let's let Kirk Cousins have the ball.
26:26
Speaker 5: He may know that it's the last time he's going
26:28
Speaker 5: to get the ball to start a season ever again.
26:30
Speaker 5: How patient is Mendoza and what do you see from
26:32
Speaker 5: him on the sidelines or during interviews?
26:35
Speaker 2: He's extremely patient.
26:37
Speaker 9: He is well aware of the situation, man. I love
26:40
Speaker 9: talking to Fernando every time I get the opportunity because
26:44
Speaker 9: he knows this is the part of the long game
26:46
Speaker 9: when it comes to him. He realizes that right now
26:50
Speaker 9: that everything that he does is gearing up and gearing
26:54
Speaker 9: him toward a long standing career. We think with the Raiders,
26:57
Speaker 9: if you notice every time on the sidelines, he's actually
27:01
Speaker 9: wearing his helmet. He wears his helmet on the sideline
27:05
Speaker 9: because he wants to hear the play call that is
27:08
Speaker 9: being given to Kirk Cousins on the field.
27:11
Speaker 2: He hears the play call.
27:13
Speaker 9: He recites back the play call to our quarterbacks coach.
27:17
Speaker 2: Which is Tim Sullivan.
27:19
Speaker 9: OK, and then he talks about what's going to happen
27:22
Speaker 9: on this play or what he sees from the defense.
27:25
Speaker 9: So there's still a developmental process with with Fernando Mendoza.
27:30
Speaker 9: And he's even doing that within the game. with Kirk
27:33
Speaker 9: Cousins out there at quarterback. I've never seen that before.
27:36
Speaker 9: All my years of playing in the football, covering the league,
27:39
Speaker 9: I've never seen the backup quarterback with his helmet on,
27:42
Speaker 9: reciting the plays, fully engaged in the football game. So
27:47
Speaker 9: that's something that we'll see that, you know, I think
27:50
Speaker 9: will help him out whenever.
27:51
Speaker 2: He gets that opportunity to start at quarterback for the Raiders.
27:54
Speaker 4: What role does Tom Brady have in all of this?
27:57
Speaker 4: Does he communicate with Mendoza during the season? Do you
28:00
Speaker 4: see him around the facility?
28:02
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, right now during the regular season, he is,
28:05
Speaker 9: you know, he's traveling just like me a lot, you know,
28:08
Speaker 9: week to week with different games and things like that.
28:11
Speaker 9: But I'll tell you this, Tom Brady is a phone
28:13
Speaker 9: call away for a lot of folks in our organization.
28:16
Speaker 9: And if there's anything that you need, you want to talk,
28:19
Speaker 9: Tom Brady has been an open door for everybody, whether
28:22
Speaker 9: it's Clint Kubiak, the head coach, John Spitek, his former
28:26
Speaker 9: college teammate at Michigan, Fernando, Kirk Cousins, you name it.
28:30
Speaker 9: You can call Tom Brady at any point. And talk football,
28:35
Speaker 9: talk about life, whatever it is. And so he's been
28:37
Speaker 9: a valuable resource into that. And look, he'll give you
28:41
Speaker 9: his opinion. And that's the one thing I would say
28:43
Speaker 9: about all of this situation, that it has been a truly, fellas,
28:47
Speaker 9: a collaborative effort. When it comes to not just the team,
28:50
Speaker 9: but even the quarterback situation, it has been collaborative with
28:54
Speaker 9: everybody involved.
28:56
Speaker 5: Kirk, you know that Brady thinks he's still the best
28:58
Speaker 5: quarterback in the building.
28:59
Speaker 6: He won't say it.
28:59
Speaker 5: Let me get to another topic with you. You played
29:01
Speaker 5: almost 10 years in the NFL at linebacker. When you're
29:04
Speaker 5: in a game and a backup comes in or you're
29:07
Speaker 5: going to face a backup quarterback the next week, how
29:10
Speaker 5: much does the defense change what they do? And can
29:12
Speaker 5: it be a negative where you have less tape on
29:15
Speaker 5: the backups?
29:16
Speaker 9: Yeah, I will go with the latter part on that one.
29:18
Speaker 9: You have less tape on the backup. And it depends
29:20
Speaker 9: on what backup we're talking about, right? Because if I'm
29:25
Speaker 9: playing the New York Giants this weekend and Jackson Dart's
29:28
Speaker 9: not available, I've got years worth of film on a
29:31
Speaker 9: guy like Jameis Winston. Or if I'm going against Washington
29:35
Speaker 9: with no Jaden Daniels, I got years of film on
29:38
Speaker 9: Marcus Mariota. I know what he can do. He can
29:40
Speaker 9: get out of the pocket. He can extend plays. He
29:42
Speaker 9: can be a part of the run game. He can
29:45
Speaker 9: throw the ball down the field. So it's, you just
29:48
Speaker 9: have to know who you're going up against. The, the
29:51
Speaker 9: unknown is the quarterback who's a backup and you don't
29:54
Speaker 9: necessarily know much about them. So you You kind of
29:57
Speaker 9: have to play more vanilla coverages. I love talking to
30:00
Speaker 9: D coordinators, and they always say, look, I'm not going
30:03
Speaker 9: to be able to help you out the first quarter
30:05
Speaker 9: because we really have to see how they want to
30:08
Speaker 9: game plan against us. How do they want to use
30:11
Speaker 9: their backup quarterback?
30:12
Speaker 2: Is it going to be a conservative game where they
30:14
Speaker 2: hand the ball.
30:15
Speaker 9: Off and try to play good defense, or will they
30:17
Speaker 9: attempt to try to throw the ball around the field
30:19
Speaker 9: a little bit? So it is a wait-and-see approach, but
30:22
Speaker 9: the first quarter or the first 15 is usually– you'll
30:26
Speaker 9: find out what a team is trying to do with
30:27
Speaker 9: their backup quarterback.
30:29
Speaker 4: All right, Raiders beat the Chargers last week. Justin Herbert,
30:32
Speaker 4: the Internet debate rages on.
30:34
Speaker 2: How a league is he?
30:35
Speaker 3: Kirk, what do you see in Herbert? He looks a
30:37
Speaker 3: little broken so far this season.
30:40
Speaker 2: Well, I would say this.
30:43
Speaker 9: He's got an offensive line that is not what he
30:45
Speaker 9: envisioned to start the season. When Tyler Biotis went down
30:48
Speaker 9: at the center spot with the ACL, your starting center
30:51
Speaker 9: is gone.
30:52
Speaker 2: That is always tough.
30:53
Speaker 9: The interior of the offensive line is not what they
30:56
Speaker 9: expected it to be. I really believe, too, that this
30:59
Speaker 9: is a team that's really been lacking a true number one.
31:02
Speaker 9: I think Lab McConkie is a good receiver, but is
31:05
Speaker 9: he your gotta-have-it guy?
31:07
Speaker 2: Okay, but he was banged up last week.
31:10
Speaker 9: Quentin Johnson hasn't kind of lived up to his first-round billing.
31:13
Speaker 9: They've had multiple tight ends now who are on IR.
31:17
Speaker 9: There's just been a lot that's put on Justin Herbert,
31:20
Speaker 9: and To me, at some point, the quarterback has to
31:24
Speaker 9: overcome all of this, and it's just been very, very difficult.
31:27
Speaker 9: I think that's why it's always a wait and see approach, right, fellas,
31:29
Speaker 9: when it comes to who you hire as offensive coordinator.
31:32
Speaker 2: Because we all thought that, hey, Mike.
31:34
Speaker 9: McDaniel comes in as offensive coordinator. This is going to
31:39
Speaker 9: be an amazing offense. Look at what he did with Tua.
31:42
Speaker 9: And yet, they haven't seemed to have the chemistry or
31:45
Speaker 9: the cohesion that's needed just yet.
31:47
Speaker 2: So, look, it's still plenty of time left.
31:50
Speaker 9: It's just that they're going up against some really good
31:51
Speaker 9: football teams who are trying to figure it out. We
31:54
Speaker 9: are so early in the season, fellas. Like, I try
31:57
Speaker 9: not to have the hot takes just yet, but... I think, look,
32:00
Speaker 9: the first two weeks for a team that was expected
32:03
Speaker 9: to return to the playoffs, possibly get to a conference championship.
32:08
Speaker 9: I think that's kind of where we're at right now,
32:10
Speaker 9: where we just unexpectedly haven't played well.
32:13
Speaker 5: Kirk, before we get you out of here, I know
32:15
Speaker 5: you got to go in about 30 seconds, but we
32:17
Speaker 5: do a thing called such thing as dumb question. You
32:19
Speaker 5: played linebacker for a long time. Did you ever hit
32:21
Speaker 5: someone so hard that you knocked yourself silly?
32:25
Speaker 2: All the time.
32:28
Speaker 9: That's the funniest part is like when you have those
32:31
Speaker 9: open shots and you hit somebody and you actually like
32:34
Speaker 9: oh my god I hurt my own self trying to
32:36
Speaker 9: hit somebody happened many a times in my career but
32:40
Speaker 9: you hop back up especially when you get a tackle
32:42
Speaker 9: for loss like you know you got the excitement and
32:45
Speaker 9: the adrenaline fellas kind of get me through it but
32:48
Speaker 9: at the end of the day you're running to the
32:49
Speaker 9: side like oh my god my shoulder is killing me
32:53
Speaker 9: shoulder hurt all of that stuff but No, it's always fun, man.
32:56
Speaker 9: That's a good one. I'll use that as well, telling people.
33:00
Speaker 9: Sometimes the hardest hits in the NFL are actually the
33:03
Speaker 9: ones that don't hurt. It's the ones that don't look
33:06
Speaker 9: like they hurt are the ones that actually hurt.
33:09
Speaker 3: Kirk, thanks for the time.
33:10
Speaker 4: You know, when we started Not So Fast a few
33:11
Speaker 4: weeks ago, we said we got to get Kirk on.
33:13
Speaker 3: Our buddy. But only if the Raiders start 2-0. And
33:16
Speaker 3: Paul said, well, I don't see that happening. But I'm like,
33:18
Speaker 3: I believed in them. I believed in them. Here we are.
33:22
Speaker 2: I get it, man. I appreciate it. I understand it.
33:24
Speaker 9: Look, we're just as excited here in Las Vegas as well, man.
33:28
Speaker 2: Two games down. We've got a big one in New
33:30
Speaker 2: Orleans this week.
33:31
Speaker 9: So their home opener, we know it's going to be loud, but,
33:34
Speaker 9: you know, just one game at a time. And I'll
33:37
Speaker 9: leave you with this because Clint Kubiak, the head coach,
33:39
Speaker 9: has said this. The Raiders are playing in 17 Super
33:43
Speaker 9: Bowls this year. You treat every week like it's the
33:46
Speaker 9: Super Bowl, like it's the biggest game of the year.
33:49
Speaker 9: So I'm excited to see what this team presents when
33:51
Speaker 9: we go to New Orleans this weekend.
33:53
Speaker 3: Thanks, Kirk. Great to see you, buddy. Wow.
33:57
Speaker 2: That was cool.
33:57
Speaker 3: 17 Super Bowls. I love Clint Kubiak. I'm in. I'm
34:00
Speaker 3: in on the Raiders.
34:01
Speaker 5: You know, the thing I really liked, what he said
34:03
Speaker 5: there about Fernando Mendoza, that he keeps the helmet on
34:05
Speaker 5: on the sidelines, he gets the plays in, and he's
34:07
Speaker 5: barking them out to random people on the sidelines or
34:10
Speaker 5: the quarterback coach. That's a little tidbit I hadn't seen yet.
34:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fernando Mendoza is such a nerd in the best
34:16
Speaker 4: possible way for football.
34:17
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see where this goes.
34:19
Speaker 4: All right, coming up next, we have some problems in Colorado.
34:23
Speaker 3: Deion might be getting rid of some players. We'll chop
34:26
Speaker 3: it up next. Not so fast.
34:32
Speaker 11: It's on social media, Chase. I got to blame the
34:35
Speaker 11: Broncos fans for putting it on there. Seattle just said,
34:39
Speaker 11: wait a minute. Here's the answers to the test right here.
34:43
Speaker 12: So many teams do it, and I'm surprised more don't
34:47
Speaker 12: talk about it.
34:48
Speaker 7: If it's on social media, it's fair game. Here's the thing.
34:51
Speaker 12: NFL teams... especially defensive coaches, will do anything to get
34:55
Speaker 12: a heads up and a leg up.
34:56
Speaker 7: So I don't blame them. I would do it.
34:59
Speaker 12: I would have an entire department that's social media-based that just.
35:05
Speaker 7: Scours the internet. And even we've had things happen.
35:09
Speaker 12: I remember when we were with the Bears and Matt
35:13
Speaker 12: Nagy was there, we've had situations where we've used fan
35:17
Speaker 12: videos to get quarterbacks' cadences. And I know it's on
35:21
Speaker 12: the copy, but study it and be like, hey, yellow cadence, okay,
35:25
Speaker 12: they're going on too.
35:25
Speaker 7: Okay, hey, Omaha means ready blue. So it's out there.
35:30
Speaker 12: I think teams use all of it. I think it's
35:31
Speaker 12: getting way overblown because teams do it all the time.
35:34
Speaker 5: Back on Not So Fast with Paxton Perloff. This is
35:37
Speaker 5: a clip joint. That is a clip of Chase Daniel,
35:39
Speaker 5: former NFL quarterback. A lot of years as a backup,
35:41
Speaker 5: he'll admit, perfect guest for today to talk about backup
35:44
Speaker 5: quarterback's injuries.
35:45
Speaker 6: But there he was talking about the situation earlier.
35:48
Speaker 2: It's murky.
35:49
Speaker 5: Mike McDonald, the Super Bowl winning coach of the Seahawks,
35:52
Speaker 5: he was doing an interview. And I'm not sure if
35:54
Speaker 5: this was on air or not. He told Graham Bensinger
35:56
Speaker 5: a long story that Sean Payton was upset that the
36:01
Speaker 5: Seahawks were stealing social media posts from Denver Broncos fans
36:04
Speaker 5: at training camp.
36:05
Speaker 6: You couldn't make this story up.
36:06
Speaker 10: Right.
36:06
Speaker 4: They weren't spying on practice with a secret cameraman or
36:10
Speaker 4: a guy with a fake mustache.
36:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:12
Speaker 5: It's one of those stories where I saw the stories like,
36:15
Speaker 5: how would this get out?
36:16
Speaker 3: Because.
36:17
Speaker 5: And then when you read more into it, it's like, oh,
36:19
Speaker 5: they weren't saying it was Spygate and they had a
36:21
Speaker 5: spy there, this Connor Stallions type stuff. It was fan
36:25
Speaker 5: stuff that's in public domain on the internet or social media.
36:27
Speaker 10: Right.
36:28
Speaker 3: So what are you supposed to do? Not look at Twitter?
36:30
Speaker 3: If you're a team? This is ridiculous. Saul Payton seems
36:33
Speaker 3: so old school here. It really bothered me.
36:35
Speaker 6: You know, this story, I think, has some legs.
36:36
Speaker 5: Because I don't think, and sources are telling me, that
36:39
Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel thought this was going to go out, was
36:41
Speaker 5: going to be on.
36:42
Speaker 6: The record, and would get out there.
36:43
Speaker 5: I think this was a story that was meant for
36:45
Speaker 5: a little.
36:46
Speaker 6: Behind the scenes chit-chat.
36:47
Speaker 4: By the way, you met Mike McDonald on the show
36:50
Speaker 4: in July at Tahoe.
36:52
Speaker 3: He seems like a great dude. Unbelievable. I'm on Team McDonald.
36:55
Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't want to fight him. Completely jacked. Very fun.
36:58
Speaker 5: He told us, Dan Patrick and the guys on the show,
37:00
Speaker 5: a couple stories that weren't for the air. And he
37:03
Speaker 5: told us in the breaks. He even said he did
37:05
Speaker 5: a couple just between us. And we respected that. So
37:09
Speaker 5: this story is about the Seahawks. Sean Payton and about
37:12
Speaker 5: the media and how they do things with interviews.
37:14
Speaker 4: Well, maybe Mike McDonald does have to tighten it up
37:16
Speaker 4: a little bit. If the camera's rolling, as Dan said
37:19
Speaker 4: today on the show.
37:20
Speaker 3: You better be on.
37:21
Speaker 6: Yes, you got to be careful, coach.
37:22
Speaker 3: And you better have your mic on, which I did
37:23
Speaker 3: not at the beginning of the segment.
37:25
Speaker 5: Oh, I thought that was irony based off the segment
37:27
Speaker 5: with Mike McDonald having his on too long.
37:28
Speaker 3: Right. That's what it was. You're Mr. Irony. All right.
37:31
Speaker 3: For our next clip, let's go to our old friend,
37:33
Speaker 3: Ross Tucker. He was on with DP.
37:35
Speaker 4: Talking about Aaron Rodgers, now he's calling the Steelers-Bengals game.
37:39
Speaker 4: Everyone's giving up on Aaron Rodgers, but I don't think
37:41
Speaker 4: Ross is quite going there.
37:43
Speaker 10: I think it's early for that. They did win their
37:45
Speaker 10: week one game, but the offense has been bad. I mean,
37:49
Speaker 10: really bad. And the offensive line is not performing as
37:54
Speaker 10: well as I think, frankly, they expected. This is a
37:56
Speaker 10: young offensive line that they've invested a lot of draft
38:00
Speaker 10: picks in, that played a bunch last year. I actually thought...
38:04
Speaker 10: They were really coming along last year, which is probably
38:08
Speaker 10: the most jarring part of all this for Steelers fans. Like, wait, wait, wait, no,
38:13
Speaker 10: these guys were good last year. Why are they not
38:15
Speaker 10: good this year?
38:17
Speaker 4: You know, I watched that Steelers-Patriots game pretty closely, and
38:20
Speaker 4: I had the same thought as Ross. Aaron Rodgers never
38:22
Speaker 4: had a prayer. Nobody was blocking anybody. They can't run
38:25
Speaker 4: the ball. Everyone said Rodgers looks like he's done. To me,
38:28
Speaker 4: the entire offense looked like it was done. Rodgers still
38:31
Speaker 4: has zip in his arm. I don't know if he
38:32
Speaker 4: can move. But this wasn't all about him.
38:35
Speaker 5: You could play football at the level we play football
38:37
Speaker 5: and know that older quarterbacks and bad offensive lines are
38:39
Speaker 5: the worst combination in the NFL. And now you have
38:42
Speaker 5: the Bengals coming to town. The Bengals are kind of
38:45
Speaker 5: gearing up to have a defense, and they feel like
38:47
Speaker 5: they're getting some coverage. I'll bet if you're Dexter Lawrence
38:49
Speaker 5: and the guys, you're looking at Aaron Rodgers saying, This
38:51
Speaker 5: is perfect for us.
38:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and I put this on Mike McCarthy,
38:55
Speaker 4: the Steelers coach. He knows that Cincinnati's hungry for this one.
38:58
Speaker 4: They have to figure out a way, A, to protect Rodgers.
39:01
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers called out the play calling after the game.
39:04
Speaker 3: He's right.
39:05
Speaker 4: The play calling was totally messed up. DK Metcalf can't
39:08
Speaker 4: catch anymore. It's number one wide receiver. That's pretty bad
39:11
Speaker 4: for a wide receiver. That's one thing that you really
39:14
Speaker 4: want to get under control. Catching is a big part
39:15
Speaker 4: of the job. To me, I think Rodgers took way
39:18
Speaker 4: too much heat after this game. That being said, it
39:21
Speaker 4: could be ugly in week three.
39:22
Speaker 5: We have another situation. This is college football. Deion Sanders,
39:25
Speaker 5: everyone was going well two years ago.
39:27
Speaker 6: Nine wins. Heisman Trophy winner.
39:29
Speaker 5: And now they lost 41-7 to Northwestern. And as Northwestern
39:34
Speaker 5: football is not bad, like it used to be really,
39:35
Speaker 5: really bad.
39:36
Speaker 6: Now it's like solid and.
39:37
Speaker 5: They have a new stadium. But when you lose to
39:39
Speaker 5: a school like Northwestern, people get yelled at. And some
39:42
Speaker 5: players for Colorado were chirping about the field being quiet
39:45
Speaker 5: before the game.
39:46
Speaker 6: That was big on social.
39:47
Speaker 5: And then some players, I guess, were laughing in the
39:49
Speaker 5: locker room on the way after the 41-7 loss.
39:52
Speaker 6: And Prime didn't like that.
39:54
Speaker 1: Saw your postgame and you said, you know, we'll see
39:56
Speaker 1: what you're about and that kind of stuff.
39:59
Speaker 3: And you were proud of some of the players, how
40:02
Speaker 3: they reacted.
40:02
Speaker 7: Just a few guys are not on the team anymore.
40:05
Speaker 10: So you know.
40:06
Speaker 3: Okay.
40:07
Speaker 2: Okay.
40:09
Speaker 5: There's a few guys that are not on the team anymore.
40:11
Speaker 5: He didn't really have to be asked that. It seems
40:13
Speaker 5: like he wanted to make that statement.
40:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was clearly mad. Are these walk-ons that he's cutting,
40:18
Speaker 3: or is anybody good? What's the story here?
40:20
Speaker 5: You know, when you give up 41 and score 7
40:23
Speaker 5: on Northwestern, everyone's vulnerable.
40:25
Speaker 6: I do wonder how this goes going forward.
40:27
Speaker 5: Do you think this is a pivot to where he
40:29
Speaker 5: brings more discipline and they right the ship? Or is
40:32
Speaker 5: this step one in him exiting that program, either going
40:36
Speaker 5: back to just being Deion Sanders, which is a good business,
40:38
Speaker 5: or coaching elsewhere.
40:39
Speaker 4: It's very weird because he used to be the focal
40:42
Speaker 4: point of all of college football, and now they're irrelevant.
40:45
Speaker 3: In fact, this is the most relevance they've had all season.
40:48
Speaker 3: It seems to me the latter. I think Deion, at
40:50
Speaker 3: a certain point, is going to get tired of this.
40:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, it does seem frustrating. He does not seem like
40:54
Speaker 6: a quitter.
40:55
Speaker 5: I don't think he would like to go out like this,
40:57
Speaker 5: but it's going the wrong direction, and he doesn't have
40:59
Speaker 5: his son.
41:00
Speaker 6: and Travis Hunter didn't play with anymore.
41:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, and his sort of second son, Travis Hunter, who
41:05
Speaker 4: he was always around. I don't know why he would
41:07
Speaker 4: say here he looks totally miserable and the team is
41:09
Speaker 4: not going to deliver. All the promise of the recruiting
41:12
Speaker 4: and all the things that Deion supposedly brought to this program,
41:15
Speaker 4: I don't see it.
41:16
Speaker 5: By the way, if I play for Colorado, I'm not
41:18
Speaker 5: laughing at anything anymore. I don't laugh at a funny movie.
41:20
Speaker 5: If old school's on, I'm not laughing at that because
41:22
Speaker 5: Coach might be watching. All right, it's time for the
41:24
Speaker 5: rando here on Not So Fast. It's something we saw
41:27
Speaker 5: that we liked, didn't like on social media. This is fantastic.
41:30
Speaker 5: Miami Hurricanes. Everyone knows back in the day they had
41:32
Speaker 5: those powerhouse teams, 01, 02, 03. This is the Canes
41:36
Speaker 5: team store. Old throwbacks of Canes jerseys.
41:40
Speaker 2: Dorsey.
41:41
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh. Clinton Portis. Ed Reed.
41:44
Speaker 5: I'm buying the Ed Reed jersey. I'll take my money.
41:47
Speaker 5: Sean Taylor.
41:48
Speaker 3: Shockey.
41:49
Speaker 2: Gorge.
41:49
Speaker 4: I just saw Jeremy Shockey on the Manning cast. I
41:52
Speaker 4: realize a lot of young people do not realize how
41:54
Speaker 4: awesome this man was.
41:55
Speaker 10: Yes.
41:55
Speaker 4: He was a content machine and he was a great
41:58
Speaker 4: football player. And he was in Miami and Kellen Winslow
42:01
Speaker 4: was his backup. That was the most talented team ever.
42:04
Speaker 4: I would not buy the Ken Dorsey jersey because the
42:07
Speaker 4: talent was around Ken Dorsey.
42:08
Speaker 5: But you don't want more street cred. It's like liking
42:10
Speaker 5: an alternative band. You get the Ken Dorsey jersey. Everyone
42:12
Speaker 5: else has Ed Reed and Shockey.
42:14
Speaker 3: I want the Najee Davenport jersey.
42:16
Speaker 6: There you go.
42:16
Speaker 3: I want to go a deep cut. Or your buddy
42:18
Speaker 3: Jared Payton was there, too.
42:20
Speaker 6: I've got to get the Jared Payton Canes throwback. All right,
42:22
Speaker 6: stick around.
42:22
Speaker 5: Coming up, constructive criticism, the feel-good, and the latest on
42:26
Speaker 5: Jackson Dart and the Giants.
42:27
Speaker 6: Stick around. This is Not So Fast.
42:29
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to Not So Fast.
42:32
Speaker 3: Bad news in New York. Jackson Dart out for the season.
42:35
Speaker 4: He will have surgery to repair his MCL, PCL, and meniscus.
42:41
Speaker 4: His ACL apparently is intact, Paul. Now, the interesting thing
42:45
Speaker 4: about this, there was an option. They could have trimmed, reportedly,
42:48
Speaker 4: according to some big NFL insiders, trimmed his meniscus and
42:51
Speaker 4: hoped that it'd be more short-term. But the Giants said
42:54
Speaker 4: we're more concerned about the long-term with their quarterback.
42:57
Speaker 5: Do you think this was like a collaborative decision with Dart,
42:59
Speaker 5: his agent, the training staff, and maybe even management to say, like, look,
43:03
Speaker 5: we're not competing for a Super Bowl this year, to
43:05
Speaker 5: try to push this and get him back in four
43:07
Speaker 5: weeks with a knee that's going to need surgery in February?
43:10
Speaker 5: as opposed to let's do the surgery now and give
43:12
Speaker 5: him as much time as he can to ramp up
43:14
Speaker 5: for 2027.
43:15
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
43:16
Speaker 4: If it was a veteran quarterback on a team with
43:18
Speaker 4: Super Bowl ideas, then maybe it would be a different
43:20
Speaker 4: scenario altogether. A guy, say the Eagles and Jalen Hurts
43:24
Speaker 4: already got in two contracts, he might say, you know what,
43:26
Speaker 4: I want to compete for a Super Bowl.
43:28
Speaker 3: But Jackson Dart, that's a long-term plan there in New York.
43:30
Speaker 5: Let's go back to the other side of this. If
43:32
Speaker 5: you're the Giants, you do have a nice team that's
43:34
Speaker 5: on the up. Harbaugh's there, John Harbaugh. And do you
43:37
Speaker 5: trade for a quarterback or go to practice squad, deal
43:41
Speaker 5: with what you got?
43:42
Speaker 3: You don't have enough firepower, a quarterback, because Jameis Winston
43:46
Speaker 3: looked old. It happens.
43:47
Speaker 4: He just doesn't have his arm. Probably too busy covering
43:49
Speaker 4: the World Cup this summer. You had Brandon Allen and
43:52
Speaker 4: Jake Hayner in camp.
43:53
Speaker 3: Neither of those guys are the answer.
43:54
Speaker 5: But is there any chance management sides with what you said?
43:56
Speaker 5: Jameis Winston could be okay this year or really bad.
43:59
Speaker 5: And you say to yourself, hey, the fans are going
44:01
Speaker 5: to excuse you to a point. The coach, Harbaugh's got
44:04
Speaker 5: the full hall pass. It wasn't his fault his quarterback
44:06
Speaker 5: got hurt.
44:06
Speaker 6: They're not going to bail on him or turn on him.
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Speaker 5: If management says, let's stick with Winston, you could have
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Speaker 5: a top-five draft pick that you didn't expect.
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Speaker 6: And you said earlier, if that happens, all bets are off.
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Speaker 3: No, 15 games of Jameis Winston? That cannot happen, Paul.
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Speaker 3: First of all, he's going to get hurt. He probably
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Speaker 3: takes huge hits as well. But what about us?
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Speaker 5: The bonus of Jameis Winston being in front of the
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Speaker 5: mic every week, as the quarterbacks have to do on Tuesday.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think that Jameis Winston will play better if
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Speaker 4: he gets more time. We've seen him play well before.
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Speaker 4: I was so mystified by his interception yesterday. He underthrew
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Speaker 4: a guy by 10 yards. He saw a receiver wide
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Speaker 4: open in the end zone and hit the cornerback in stride.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened.
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Speaker 6: It looked like a body-switching movie, and I was playing
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Speaker 6: for the Giants.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like a trade idea. I mean, J.J.
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Speaker 4: McCarthy is going to be one name that comes up,
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Speaker 4: but there are good backups around the NFL. Maybe a
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Speaker 4: team that is probably not going anywhere. Thinking for a
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Speaker 4: fifth-round pick, why not?
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Speaker 6: All right, another injury in New York.
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Speaker 5: This one has some implications right now. The Yankees are
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Speaker 5: going to the playoffs like they almost always do, but
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Speaker 5: Aaron Judge, their huge star, literally and figuratively, has a
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Speaker 5: shin issue, and it keeps him out for the first
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Speaker 5: round of the playoffs.
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Speaker 6: Level of big deal, Pearl.
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Speaker 3: Oh, huge deal.
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Speaker 6: The biggest of deals?
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Speaker 3: The tallest of deals because he's 6'7. They need offense badly,
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Speaker 3: and without Aaron Judge, they just can't hit.
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Speaker 4: I saw a stat that he is the most effective
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Speaker 4: first-inning player in Major League Baseball, as you'd expect.
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Speaker 3: Hits tons of home runs. They have a great pitching staff.
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Speaker 4: They have the best ERA in baseball by a long margin.
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Speaker 4: I was surprised by that. But you need some offense,
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Speaker 4: and Judge is the man.
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Speaker 5: You know, oddly, I'm going to say both injury issues. Like, Judge,
45:38
Speaker 5: look at them right now. They have a very good
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Speaker 5: pitching staff, and that would be my concern. I'm going
45:42
Speaker 5: to say this is a medium deal with Judge because
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Speaker 5: I don't think there's a hammer team in the AL league.
45:48
Speaker 5: They don't have to face the Dodgers until the end.
45:51
Speaker 5: They don't have to face the Brewers until the end.
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Speaker 5: I don't really worry about some of those other AL
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Speaker 5: teams for the first.
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Speaker 6: Round of the playoffs.
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Speaker 3: Well, it could be the Red Sox.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 4: And throw out the books. Forget all the stats. I
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Speaker 4: don't care what your ERA is. You don't want to
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Speaker 4: lose that series, Paul. That's where you want Aaron Judge.
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Speaker 6: You sure don't.
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Speaker 5: All right, it's time for a little constructive criticism. I
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Speaker 5: wasn't told what this is about.
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Speaker 6: I usually know. Let's take a look. Your feedback from
46:14
Speaker 6: yesterday's show. Here we go. A little constructive criticism for us,
46:18
Speaker 6: Pabst and Perloff. Dark Salmon. What could this be referring to? Oh,
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Speaker 6: this shirt.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is my man shirt from yesterday that I
46:27
Speaker 5: wore on the show. A lot of people guessed Salmon.
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Speaker 3: What is Dark Salmon? That's out of color.
46:32
Speaker 5: It is, unless it's like a Benjamin Moore paint color
46:34
Speaker 5: for a room. Dark Salmon, hun? I'm proud of the shirt.
46:38
Speaker 5: Some people say I shouldn't be. Burnt or Smoky Crimson?
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Speaker 3: Again, I don't know. Is burnt crimson a color?
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Speaker 5: Smoky crimson sounds like a band from the 60s.
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Speaker 3: What are the Texas Longhorns? That's burnt orange. Burnt orange. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: hook them. Mauve?
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Speaker 10: No.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not manly enough. I need all the manliness
46:54
Speaker 6: I can get.
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Speaker 3: Figgy pink.
46:57
Speaker 4: Actually, that is an insult, but that's not the color either.
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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm seeing differently in person. It's not pink. It's
47:04
Speaker 4: not salmon. It's not brown.
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Speaker 3: It's somewhere in between all of those.
47:08
Speaker 5: So we have decided nothing with the shirt. But we
47:10
Speaker 5: got thousands of responses, which is really weird. Follow Not
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47:15
Speaker 5: like that every day from our awesome SuperDuper social media team.
47:18
Speaker 5: It's time for the feel-good, Perloff, and this one's fantastic.
47:21
Speaker 5: I saw this the other day. Vikings defensive back.
47:24
Speaker 6: Check this out.
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Speaker 5: Isaiah Rogers. Here he is in the end zone. What's
47:28
Speaker 5: he doing there, Perl? That is the hot diggity dog dance.
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Speaker 5: And the reason he did it, because his son likes
47:33
Speaker 5: it at the pool.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 6: That's father of the year type stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, did he.
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Speaker 4: Need to make a great play, which happened a lot
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Speaker 4: against Chicago on Sunday, to do that?
47:43
Speaker 3: Because you need the excuse to actually do the dance.
47:45
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think if Isaiah Rogers had a tackle
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Speaker 5: on like third and one, he could hot diggity dog
47:49
Speaker 5: it right there on the field.
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Speaker 6: He needed to go to the end zone so it
47:51
Speaker 6: doesn't get flagged.
47:53
Speaker 3: Can you do said dance? You're like the best flosser
47:55
Speaker 3: I know.
47:55
Speaker 5: I can do the hot diggity dog among other dances,
47:58
Speaker 5: but unfortunately, we're just out of time.
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Speaker 3: Oh, come on. The other day, you were showing me
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Speaker 3: how you used to breakdance.
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Speaker 5: Break dance, two-step, step dancing, it all happens here on
48:07
Speaker 5: Not So Fast.
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Speaker 10: Tune in.
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Speaker 6: You never know when it may happen. Probably not today.
48:11
Speaker 3: Ballroom dancing?
48:12
Speaker 5: Ballroom dancing. My wife tried to get me to do that.
48:16
Speaker 5: Final 60 seconds. Giant situation. Make the call today. Do
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Speaker 5: they go with another quarterback and press the issue or
48:22
Speaker 5: stay with what they have?
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Speaker 4: There is a trade in the NFL by Thursday for
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Speaker 4: the Giants to bring in another veteran quarterback.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they need depth. Obviously, Jameis Winston is not
48:31
Speaker 3: enough to get you through.
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Speaker 5: Are you saying the Jameis Winston era is over already?
48:34
Speaker 5: Because you're breaking some hearts.
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Speaker 3: No, he starts in week two.
48:37
Speaker 4: I'm really curious. Do they take a flyer on J.J. McCarthy,
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Speaker 4: who has some upside? Six-round pick?
48:43
Speaker 3: That can't hurt. John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, Michigan, J.J.
48:48
Speaker 5: Hear more about this on the Dan Pat Show tomorrow morning,
48:50
Speaker 5: and then come out and hang with us on Not
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Speaker 5: So Fast with Taps and Pearl.
48:53
Speaker 6: Have a good night.
48:53
Speaker 3: We're done.