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Speaker 1: He's the reform.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm James Macpherson coming up tonight. Andrew Giles
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Speaker 2: claim that drones are being used to track criminals shot down.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump claims he's not afraid to go to jail,
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Speaker 2: but will he Greg Sheridan, will discuss and wait until
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Speaker 2: I give you details of the arts festival. Long suffering
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Speaker 2: Victorian taxpayers are having the fund. Honestly, it is an
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Speaker 2: absolute shocker. But first, I've got two black children, twin
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Speaker 2: boys aged nineteen and so Laura Fingle's assertion that Australia
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Speaker 2: is a racist country became something of a talking point
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Speaker 2: around our dinner table over the weekend. Now, I've always
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Speaker 2: taught my sons that the only thing worse than racism
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Speaker 2: is imagined racism. Actual racism, well, that can be confronted
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Speaker 2: it and dealt with. I remember one of my boys
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Speaker 2: coming home from primary school and telling me another kid
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Speaker 2: had called him a piece of pooh because.
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Speaker 3: He was brown. I asked my son, well, what did
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Speaker 3: you say.
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Speaker 2: He smiled and said he'd replied the other boy must
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Speaker 2: be bird pooh since he was white. Racism dealt with,
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Speaker 2: but imagined racism where racist undertones are presumed in every interaction. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's a bondage from which you can never be freed,
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Speaker 2: since the chains exist entirely in your own mind. It
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Speaker 2: was for that reason I found ABC political reporter and
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Speaker 2: board member Laura Tingles comments concerning we are a racist.
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Speaker 4: Capulate's face that we always have been as very depressing.
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Speaker 5: To give a license like that I find profoundly depressing
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Speaker 5: and a terrible prospect.
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Speaker 6: For the next election.
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Speaker 2: Now, the last thing I want for my sons is
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Speaker 2: for them to believe that Australia is and always has
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Speaker 2: been a racist country. Just because Laura Tingle is depressed,
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Speaker 2: don't mean my kids should be. If my boys buy
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Speaker 2: into this idea that Australia is an inherently racist country,
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Speaker 2: well they're going to start imagining racists lurking in every
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Speaker 2: social group, and they'll be tempted to think racism was
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Speaker 2: the reason they weren't awarded a free kick in their
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Speaker 2: football game at the weekend. The result will be that
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Speaker 2: my beautiful boys are turned into perpetual victims, when in
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Speaker 2: actual fact they live in one of the most generous,
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Speaker 2: gracious countries on Earth. One of the first things this
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Speaker 2: Labor government did when assuming office was to propose a
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Speaker 2: code of conduct for politicians. Now Federal Minister for Early
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Speaker 2: Childhood Education Youth, Ann Ali insisted the code of conduct
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Speaker 2: should focus on racism and microaggressions towards people of color.
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Speaker 2: In a submission to the committee charged with creating the
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Speaker 2: code for parliamentarians and staff, she wrote, I have witnessed
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Speaker 2: instances of subtle racism and microaggressions towards people of color
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Speaker 2: in Commonwealth parliamentary workplaces, and have experienced them myself. Notice
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Speaker 2: Ali didn't complain of racism, but of subtle racism, and
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Speaker 2: she didn't allege aggression towards people of color. She claimed
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Speaker 2: rather to be aware of micro aggressions. Now I would
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Speaker 2: have thought that was cause for celebration. Whatever aggression did
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Speaker 2: exist towards people of color in parliamentary workplaces, it was
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Speaker 2: evidently micro, so subtle as to be barely perceptible. That is,
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Speaker 2: after all, the definition of a racist micro aggression. It's
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Speaker 2: an act of racism so infantisimal that you must look
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Speaker 2: very hard to find it before you can claim to
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Speaker 2: have been traumatized by it. Incidentally, I'd suggest that if
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Speaker 2: parliamentary staff have time to inspect every interaction so carefully
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Speaker 2: to work out whether or not they're offended by it.
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Speaker 3: They probably have too.
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Speaker 2: Much time on their hands now, Ali's submission continued, No
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Speaker 2: code of conduct that seeks to change workplace culture would
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Speaker 2: be complete without acknowledging that these behaviors microaggressions exist in
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Speaker 2: our workplace. Well, the MP was right that acknowledging microaggressions
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Speaker 2: would change workplace culture, but maybe not in the way
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Speaker 2: she thinks, and certainly not for the better. Focusing on
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Speaker 2: subtle racism and microaggressions only trains people to pore over
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Speaker 2: the minutia of every conversation and to sift through the
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Speaker 2: entrails of every interaction in search of hidden racism. It
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Speaker 2: prepares a small group of people to always be ready
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Speaker 2: to take offense, and it trains everybody else to go
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Speaker 2: through life always fearful of giving offense. As a result,
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Speaker 2: everyone is worse off, though nothing's actually happened. If my
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Speaker 2: adopted Ethiopian sons end up working in parliament, god forbid,
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Speaker 2: no one will ask them where they're from, for fear
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Speaker 2: that what they'll hear is well, because I'm black, I
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Speaker 2: can't be Australian. Subtle, isn't it? And so no one
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Speaker 2: will ask them where they're from, and Dy'll assume it's
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Speaker 2: because people aren't interested in them because of their color.
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Speaker 3: Ah a micro aggression. See how this works.
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Speaker 2: Talk of microaggressions reduces staff to micro people, incapable of
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Speaker 2: ever being normal thanks to the all seeing microscope of
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Speaker 2: race obsessed micro managers. So everyone is made smaller by
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Speaker 2: the experience. Well everyone, that is, except for the ever
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Speaker 2: expanding team of consultants required to train staff to spot
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Speaker 2: subtle racism and microaggressions. Since they are so subtle and
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Speaker 2: so microscopic, they can only be seen with the aid
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Speaker 2: of taxpayer funded training. I told my son one night
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Speaker 2: a while ago that it was time to turn off
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Speaker 2: the TV and go to bed.
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Speaker 3: Straight faced. He looked at me. He said, why, because
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Speaker 3: I'm black? Is this a racial thing?
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Speaker 2: And then a smirk slowly formed across his face and
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Speaker 2: we both burst out laughing before he chofed off to bed.
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Speaker 2: So called microaggressions are harmful to my son, but only
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Speaker 2: because he might split his sides from laughter. If racism
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Speaker 2: is imagined in every conversation and assumed to be embedded
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Speaker 2: in every interaction, then people will imagine themselves always as victims,
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Speaker 2: even when they're not, and that is worse than racism,
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Speaker 2: since there's no.
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Speaker 3: Remedy for that.
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Speaker 2: So I'm pleading with the LAWA Tingles and the Analis
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Speaker 2: of this world, please you don't protect my black children
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Speaker 2: from racism by exaggerating racism. Are there instances of racism
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Speaker 2: in Australia, Well, of course, as in every country. But
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Speaker 2: is Australia an inherently racist country?
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Speaker 3: Of course not.
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Speaker 2: Actual racism can be called out and dealt with, but
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Speaker 2: imagined racism, if brought into becomes a massive chip on
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Speaker 2: the shoulder that, once established, is almost impossible to remove.
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Speaker 3: And I really don't want that for my kids.
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Speaker 2: Well, now, to fresh developments in Labor Government's direction ninety
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Speaker 2: nine disaster, it turns out Mimigration Minister Andrew Giles does
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Speaker 2: have the power to protect Australians after all. In the
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Speaker 2: face of mounting criticism over the weekend, Giles recanceled the
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Speaker 2: visas of thirty foreign born criminals who'd originally been allowed
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Speaker 2: to stay. But is that enough to save his job.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in the panel former Victorian Liberal Party President
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger and One Nation Chief of staff James ashby Michael.
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Speaker 2: After months of blaming everybody else for immigration disasters, it
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Speaker 2: seems Andrew Giles can act when he wants to.
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Speaker 7: Yes, he can, and he can keep his job against
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Speaker 7: all odds. James, I don't think I've ever seen anything
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Speaker 7: like this in fifty years. I think he's the worst
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Speaker 7: minister I've ever seen by a long way. And the
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Speaker 7: problem is once you keep a minister like this in
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Speaker 7: his position, he starts to infect other ministers. So you
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Speaker 7: saw Murray Watt yesterday on the ABC. He'd heard about
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Speaker 7: these drones, for example, he was explaining how the drones
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Speaker 7: were actually working.
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Speaker 3: He elaborated on the use of these.
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Speaker 7: Drones because he'd heard it was drone, so he thought
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Speaker 7: he'd talk to everyone about how they're actually acting on
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Speaker 7: the ground shows. He was just making that up yesterday.
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Speaker 7: But he was a victim of this hopelessness of Giles.
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Speaker 7: And then today I saw one of the most bizarre
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Speaker 7: interviews of all time when I think it was KG.
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Speaker 7: Kieran Gilbert was interviewing Tony Burke and he asked Burke
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Speaker 7: how Giles was going, and he said, Charles has been
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Speaker 7: a fantastic minister. Fantastic minister that's Tony Burke saying that. Well,
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Speaker 7: of course, when you get to this level of absurdity
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Speaker 7: like Watts and Burke.
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Speaker 3: It just shows you how a hopeless.
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Speaker 7: Minister can start affecting his other ministers, and as we've
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Speaker 7: seen by recent poles, seriously affect the standing of the
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Speaker 7: government on immigration issues.
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Speaker 2: Well, Michael, you mentioned the drone issue. I want to
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Speaker 2: talk about that for a moment. I'll direct this to you, James.
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Speaker 2: Out of all the spin we've heard on this issue
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Speaker 2: of immigration, perhaps the most bizarre was Jarles Erson on
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Speaker 2: Friday that drones were being used to track foreign born criminals.
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Speaker 3: Here's what he said on Friday.
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Speaker 5: There is a quarter of a billion dollars that we've
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Speaker 5: invested in supporting our law enforcement agencies to enforce that, and.
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Speaker 6: That's enabled things like using drones to keep track of
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Speaker 6: those people. We know where they are.
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Speaker 8: Just have them all with electronic monitor because the law
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Speaker 8: doesn't allow it.
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Speaker 3: We've got drones, we know where they are.
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Speaker 2: Well, the AFP denied drones were being used, and Michael,
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Speaker 2: as you said, Jiles's own colleague, Senator Murray what denied
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Speaker 2: drones were being used. And today Andrew Giles conceded drones
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Speaker 2: weren't being used.
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Speaker 3: To have a look.
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Speaker 9: Last week in an interview on Sky News, I did
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Speaker 9: state that Operation.
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Speaker 6: Agis was using drones.
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Speaker 9: I relied on information provided by my department at the time, which.
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Speaker 2: Has since which has since been Cloropambers on James. This
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Speaker 2: is this part of Andrew Giles's problem. The moment he
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Speaker 2: said drones were being used to track criminals, everyone watching
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Speaker 2: that interview thought, really, that's amazing.
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Speaker 3: How would that work? What would that look like?
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Speaker 2: The only person that seemed completely incurious was Andrew Giles,
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Speaker 2: which seems to be the way he's handled this entire portfolio.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Could you imagine being one of his colleagues on the
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Speaker 10: front bench there, they would have just been shaking their head,
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Speaker 10: thinking we've got to deal with this for the next month.
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Speaker 10: The bloke's a joker. I've heard of Nigerian scammers before,
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Speaker 10: but there's a Nigerian here who has pulled the wool
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Speaker 10: over not just to Andrew Giles's eyes, but also the
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Speaker 10: IAT in declaring he's now Aboriginal and has been allowed
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Speaker 10: to stay in the country. This is just one big
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Speaker 10: joke to the Australian people who know this bloke can't
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Speaker 10: lie straight in bed. The Labor Party have got a
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Speaker 10: real problem with Andrew Giles if they want to win
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Speaker 10: a second term of government. I think he's the best
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Speaker 10: minister for Peter Dutton in able to change the fortunes
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Speaker 10: of the Liberal Party. This blog is destroying the Labor
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Speaker 10: Party day by day. He won't go this week, but
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Speaker 10: he will go after the Parliament sitting week. That's when
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Speaker 10: he'll go because they won't dare do it this week.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, for Peter Dutton and the Coalition, Andrew Giles is
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Speaker 2: the gift that keeps on giving. We learn from Senate
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Speaker 2: estimates today that Bill Shorten has a speechwriter. Fair enough,
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Speaker 2: but guess how much shortened speech writer is being paid
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Speaker 2: six hundred grand over two years to write speeches for
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Speaker 2: the man who's supposed to be cutting waste from the
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Speaker 2: ndis Michael. I'm expecting upcoming Bill Shorten's speeches will be
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Speaker 2: developed into Hollywood movie scripts for that kind of money,
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Speaker 2: They're going.
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Speaker 7: To have to be Churchillian for that money. I mean,
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Speaker 7: this is another example of where Labor can't control this
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Speaker 7: spending ever on things like this. I mean, we had
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Speaker 7: the example of that Queensland premier flying around a private plane.
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Speaker 7: We've had Richard Marles flying around in private jets costing
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Speaker 7: as millions. I mean, you know, never get between labor
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Speaker 7: and an open, open till, because these people just stick
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Speaker 7: them in and grab whatever they can grab. I mean,
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Speaker 7: this is really disgraceful. I mean, I must say I'm
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Speaker 7: very surprised at Bill Shorten, particularly given the fact that
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Speaker 7: he's got the job of cutting waste from the Indies
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Speaker 7: and he spends this money on a speechwriter. The department
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Speaker 7: could write these speeches for him. They're not terribly complicated.
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Speaker 7: He's basically giving speeches talking about statistics. All of those
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Speaker 7: stats come from the department. We're not looking for flowery
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Speaker 7: rhetoric from him. And this is a terrible look for Labor,
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Speaker 7: and I must say, a terrible look for Bill Shorten.
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Speaker 7: And I'm very very surprised at him. He's been around
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Speaker 7: a long time and Shortened should know better.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, of course Shorten's trying to get rid of roughts
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Speaker 2: from the NDS. This sounds kind of like a RUW James.
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Speaker 2: You're a political chief of staff six hundred grand for
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Speaker 2: two years, is that really the going rate for speech writers?
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Speaker 10: Well, you'd think Bill Shorten's given this woman her own
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Speaker 10: NDIS provider number the way she's charging, because as we know,
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Speaker 10: some of thoses they rip off the system, and she
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Speaker 10: seems to be a great example of another one. Look,
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Speaker 10: I had to look at Hansard just before you'd be
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Speaker 10: surprised Bill Shorten's on. He stood to his feet less
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Speaker 10: than ninety times during this term of parliament. Most of
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Speaker 10: that time has been spent during question time, so you
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Speaker 10: can't write speeches during question time. But what this speechwriter
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Speaker 10: has provided is twenty four speeches in total over two years.
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Speaker 10: So Handsar doesn't lie. The facts are there. I think
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Speaker 10: this is really really poor use of taxpayers money.
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Speaker 2: Well now it's even more embarrassment for labor. New polling
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Speaker 2: from the Low Institute shows sixty one percent of Australians,
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Speaker 2: including a majority of Labor voters, support adding nuclear power
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Speaker 2: to our energy mix. Yet the Chris bow And collective
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Speaker 2: in Canberra continues to mock the idea of using nuclear power.
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Speaker 2: Bowen warned people in a tweat today about what he
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Speaker 2: called quote risky reactors, which is great alliteration.
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Speaker 3: I'm just not very sure it's true.
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Speaker 2: Michael Labor seem intent on running a scare campaign, but
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Speaker 2: shurely polling shows fifty two percent of their own voters
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Speaker 2: have already decided nuclear is necessary. This is entirely ideological,
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Speaker 2: isn't it an ideology seems a very bad basis for
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Speaker 2: deciding something as crucial as energy policy.
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Speaker 3: Well, people look.
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Speaker 7: At what's happening overseas. They see the stats about the
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Speaker 7: AACD countries. They've seen the increasing nuclear use around the world.
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Speaker 7: They know that seventy percent of Francis energy, for example,
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Speaker 7: come from nuclear power and has for decades. And they
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Speaker 7: look at this and say, well, hang on, if we
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Speaker 7: can have nuclear subs, why couldn't you have nuclear power
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Speaker 7: for our energy resources? What's the difference? And subs have reactors.
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Speaker 7: So people look at this extent that they pay a
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Speaker 7: lot of attention and go, well, if you've got nuclear subs,
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Speaker 7: there's no reason why the count le have nuclear power.
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Speaker 7: It's as simple as that. And labor are incapable of
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Speaker 7: explaining the difference. And Bowen's silly remarks, I mean, Chris
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Speaker 7: has not been as successful minister during his career. Let's
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Speaker 7: be frank. He was the Minister for Immigration more than
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Speaker 7: a thousand people drowned at sea. So he's been a
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Speaker 7: terrible minister, and to have such a big portfolio which
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Speaker 7: is clearly beyond him and beyond him because if he had,
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Speaker 7: you know, if he had half an ounce of ability,
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Speaker 7: he'd be able to explain the difference between subs and
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Speaker 7: energy provided by nuclear and he cannot mate.
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Speaker 3: James just quickly.
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Speaker 2: Why can't Labor at least lift the ban on nuclear
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Speaker 2: and let the market decide why this active anti nuclear push,
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Speaker 2: especially when the polls are starting to reflect that people
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Speaker 2: are changing their minds on it.
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Speaker 3: Why won't Labor.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, sixty percent of Australians now agree that we
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Speaker 10: should be having this at least debate about nuclear and
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Speaker 10: so Labor are getting left behind in this debate, certainly
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Speaker 10: on the floor of Parliament and certainly in amongst the
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Speaker 10: average person who can see their electricity prices going up.
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Speaker 10: I live in an area we've got Stanwell Power station less.
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Speaker 3: Than a hundred kilometer away from me.
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Speaker 10: As Peter Dutton says, it's emarked for a nuclear power
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Speaker 10: plant once it's used by data is up. I don't
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Speaker 10: have a problem with it. And for the majority of
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Speaker 10: people who certainly live in my electorate ear of Keppel
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Speaker 10: and Capricornia, I think they'd welcome the idea, mainly for
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Speaker 10: the sake of stable power supply, because as we all know,
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Speaker 10: when that sun isn't shining, the wind's not turning, we
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Speaker 10: don't have power, certainly not sustainable bayside power. And if
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Speaker 10: you wann't manufacturing in this country, there is only one
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Speaker 10: way to go, and that is down the path of nuclear.
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Speaker 2: Well, Michael Kroger, James Ashby, thanks so much for your
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Speaker 2: time tonight. Australia's defense spending is in a quote holding
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Speaker 2: pattern and won't improve the nation's military capabilities for at
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Speaker 2: least a decade. It's according to a new report by
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Speaker 2: the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, which has warned that if
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Speaker 2: war were to break out at any time in the
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Speaker 2: next ten years, our military would be forced to fight
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Speaker 2: with the force it has today, which wouldn't be a
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Speaker 2: problem if only China agreed to fight with the force
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Speaker 2: it had fifty years ago. Joining me now is Foreign
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Speaker 2: editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan.
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Speaker 3: Greg, have we got ten years to prepare for the
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Speaker 3: possibility of war?
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Speaker 9: No, we haven't, James, and this report is another damning
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Speaker 9: indictment of the Albanese government's neglect and irresponsibility and dishonesty
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Speaker 9: on defense. I've been saying this now for a year
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Speaker 9: or so. The Alberanesi government came in with great rhetoric
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Speaker 9: but no delivery. It's now well over two years into
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Speaker 9: its term and it's done nothing. It hasn't increased defense
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Speaker 9: spending as it says it did. It's still going on
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Speaker 9: exactly the same funding lines as we're outlined in the
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Speaker 9: twenty sixteen Defense document. The tiny increase that it produced
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Speaker 9: was gobbled up by inflation. Defense doesn't get its money
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Speaker 9: compensated and for inflation, and inflation was much higher than
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Speaker 9: the budget paper's forecast. The new increase in the forward
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Speaker 9: s it's is peddling. It's nothing, And the three point
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Speaker 9: eight billion of it the first you know, two thirds
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Speaker 9: or three quarters of it doesn't come until the fourth year,
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Speaker 9: that's four years from now. In the meantime, labor is
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Speaker 9: actually cutting back and destroying our defense capability. It's not
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Speaker 9: going to modernize the Anzac frigates. It's already retired one frigate,
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Speaker 9: that's about to retire another. It's now having great trouble
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Speaker 9: keeping the colin submarines in the water. It's not going
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Speaker 9: to go ahead with the fourth squadron of joint strike fighters.
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Speaker 9: It's not going to go ahead with a d mining fleet.
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Speaker 9: It's doing nothing about missile defense of our air bases
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Speaker 9: up north, so on the first day of conflict, China
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Speaker 9: could simply wipe out all of our air force with
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Speaker 9: selective missiles. In other words, it's doing nothing at all,
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Speaker 9: absolutely nothing, And in fact, our defense capability is degrading,
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Speaker 9: as numbers of defense personnel have said. And this is
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Speaker 9: a bipartisan failure because the coalition was just as bad beforehand.
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Speaker 9: And we are asleep at the wheel. We are the
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Speaker 9: cycle logical equivalent of the Afghan national government. We just
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Speaker 9: believe the Americans will always handle it. They'll always be
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Speaker 9: here for us, they'll always win, and they'll always consider
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Speaker 9: that their blood and trader should be spent on our security.
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Speaker 9: A terrible attitude.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Greg, hoping like hell nothing happens doesn't seem
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Speaker 2: to be much of a defense strategy, and.
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Speaker 3: Yet that seems to be where we are.
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Speaker 2: I want to get onto some other issues, but just quickly,
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Speaker 2: because you're all over this.
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Speaker 3: In terms of defense.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, what do you think Australia should be doing
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Speaker 2: right now if they were to take the threat of
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Speaker 2: war with China seriously? What are some simple things the
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Speaker 2: Australian government should immediately do in your view?
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Speaker 9: Two real simple things, James. First of all, if you're
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Speaker 9: going to get nuclear submarines, you have to recognize that
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Speaker 9: you're going to have to spend a lot more on defense.
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Speaker 9: If you try to do it in your existing defense budget,
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Speaker 9: you simply gobble up and destroy every other capability. So
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Speaker 9: I support nuclear submarines, but don't get them unless you're
19:55
Speaker 9: willing to pay for them. If you're not willing to
19:57
Speaker 9: pay for them, better not to try to get them,
19:59
Speaker 9: because you'll everything else in the meantime. Secondly, we live,
20:03
Speaker 9: as everyone knows except the leaders at Fort Fumble in Canberra.
20:07
Speaker 9: We live in the age of missiles and drones. We
20:10
Speaker 9: don't yet have a single armed drone. We're about to
20:12
Speaker 9: get one for the army. The Navy has none. We
20:15
Speaker 9: don't have any significant quantity of missiles. We could make
20:19
Speaker 9: it very difficult for anyone to come anywhere near us
20:22
Speaker 9: If we had thirty thousand missiles in northern Australia all
20:27
Speaker 9: over the place so that they couldn't be concentrated and
20:29
Speaker 9: destroyed all at once. We've seen in Ukraine and elsewhere
20:33
Speaker 9: that drones are critical in naval establishments. The Ukrainians are
20:37
Speaker 9: destroying the Russian capital fleet with cheap drones. We make
20:41
Speaker 9: cheap drones in Australia. The Australian Defense Force, led by
20:45
Speaker 9: its Duke of Plaza, toros who always fight the last battle,
20:48
Speaker 9: but three won't buy them. Now, this are not rocket science.
20:52
Speaker 9: We could do all this tomorrow. We're rich enough, we
20:55
Speaker 9: know what we need to do. But we're just going
20:57
Speaker 9: to keep on doing what we've always done. And I
20:59
Speaker 9: think in fact, the defense establishment doesn't want us to
21:02
Speaker 9: have a war fighting capability, so that we'll never do
21:05
Speaker 9: anything significant and it'll just be left to the Americans.
21:08
Speaker 9: They just trust that everything will be with the Americans.
21:12
Speaker 2: Well right, well, speaking of America, obviously, the conviction of
21:15
Speaker 2: Donald Trump continues to send shockwaves around the world. I
21:18
Speaker 2: really want to get quickly to this because you wrote
21:20
Speaker 2: about it in The Australian at the weekend. There's now questions,
21:25
Speaker 2: I guess, surrounding American democracy, society and the justice system
21:29
Speaker 2: as a whole. You wrote that half the United States
21:32
Speaker 2: now believes the judicial system has been wrongly weaponized for
21:36
Speaker 2: political purposes.
21:37
Speaker 3: How dangerous is that?
21:39
Speaker 2: And by that question, I don't mean the weaponization of
21:42
Speaker 2: the judicial system, but the fact that half the country
21:45
Speaker 2: believes that's what's happened.
21:49
Speaker 9: I think it's tremendously dangerous. So obviously, ninety nine percent
21:52
Speaker 9: of the time, the American judicial system is perfectly fine, independent,
21:56
Speaker 9: as just as it can be. You know, people by
22:00
Speaker 9: men and women who do their best. But the Americans
22:03
Speaker 9: have a terrible system where they often elect judges and
22:06
Speaker 9: elect district attorneys. The New York the Manhattan district attorney
22:10
Speaker 9: ran on the platform that he would get Trump. Now, America,
22:14
Speaker 9: like many Western societies, has very very complex overlapping laws
22:18
Speaker 9: which can be used against anybody for anything. This was
22:22
Speaker 9: a ridiculous charge eight years old, a misdemeanor at best,
22:26
Speaker 9: misrecording a business expense a trivial misdemeanor. The statute of
22:31
Speaker 9: limitations had run out on it, so the Democrat district
22:34
Speaker 9: attorney had to say it was actually done in pursuit
22:38
Speaker 9: of doing another felony, and therefore it could be treated
22:41
Speaker 9: as a felony, yet he never specified what the other
22:43
Speaker 9: felony was. The judge seemed to favor the prosecution tremendously.
22:48
Speaker 9: The judge has himself donated money to Joe Biden his
22:52
Speaker 9: daughter as a professional fundraiser for the Democrats. This stinks
22:55
Speaker 9: to high heaven.
22:56
Speaker 6: And even if.
22:56
Speaker 9: Through some miracle it was all virtuous, half of America,
23:01
Speaker 9: which votes Republican thinks this is crook, and a certain
23:05
Speaker 9: number of Democrats do too. Now at the same time,
23:08
Speaker 9: more in doubt in The New York Times has taken
23:11
Speaker 9: to calling the Supreme Court corrupt because three of the
23:14
Speaker 9: justices were nominated by Donald Trump. So what a terrible
23:19
Speaker 9: breakdown in the basic comedy of American society. This is
23:24
Speaker 9: Democrats won't trust Republican appointed judges, and Republicans won't trust
23:29
Speaker 9: Democrat appointed judges or district's attorney. This is really a
23:33
Speaker 9: corrosive and this is a new turn and a very
23:37
Speaker 9: dangerous one in American political culture.
23:40
Speaker 2: Greg I've got to go to a break bit very quickly.
23:42
Speaker 2: Does this change American politics forever or is this just
23:45
Speaker 2: a blip?
23:48
Speaker 9: I fear it might change American politics forever, because certainly,
23:51
Speaker 9: if Trump gets in the office, he will do the
23:55
Speaker 9: same to the Democrats. And if Trump is prevented from
23:58
Speaker 9: getting into office by this ruse, then the Democrats will
24:01
Speaker 9: do it again to future Republicans. So you know, America
24:05
Speaker 9: has a great capacity to rebound, a fantastic, regenerative, fabulous
24:09
Speaker 9: rebound culture. But this is I think going to be
24:14
Speaker 9: a real problem in American political culture for a long
24:16
Speaker 9: time to come.
24:18
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, thanks so much for your time, really appreciate it.
24:21
Speaker 3: Well, plenty more to come.
24:23
Speaker 2: Why Laura Tingle's racist rant is harmful to Australia. Indigenous
24:27
Speaker 2: academic Anthony Dillon joins me next, plus the downright disturbing
24:31
Speaker 2: art festival in Melbourne paid for by taxpayers.
24:34
Speaker 3: All of that in the moment welcome back.
24:39
Speaker 2: Well, as I mentioned at the top of the show,
24:41
Speaker 2: claims that Australia is a racist country back in the
24:44
Speaker 2: headlines again thanks to the ABC's Laura Tingle and to
24:48
Speaker 2: rant at the Sydney Writers Festival. Just how damaging are
24:51
Speaker 2: claims like hers? And if they're not true, why do
24:55
Speaker 2: people like Laura Tingle persist in making them? Joining me
24:58
Speaker 2: is Indigenous academic and Athony Dillon, Anthony.
25:01
Speaker 3: Thanks for being with me.
25:02
Speaker 2: Two questions to start off, is Australia a racist country?
25:06
Speaker 2: And if it's not, why do people like Laura Tingle
25:09
Speaker 2: and others keep insisting that it is.
25:11
Speaker 5: Look, we are not a racist country. That doesn't mean
25:14
Speaker 5: we don't have pockets of racism around. And why do
25:18
Speaker 5: they do it? Because it's cause points, It wins popularity contests.
25:21
Speaker 5: And as I wrote today, i mentioned that quote from
25:24
Speaker 5: Top of Sow. You know, many people they just want
25:29
Speaker 5: villains to boo and heroes to cheer, and by saying
25:33
Speaker 5: Australia is a racist country, you become a hero or heroin.
25:37
Speaker 6: It's intellectual laziness.
25:40
Speaker 2: It's funny how people talk about Australia being a racist country,
25:43
Speaker 2: but they always seem to remove themselves from Australia when
25:46
Speaker 2: they're speaking of the country that they live in in
25:48
Speaker 2: those terms.
25:49
Speaker 3: They're somehow above it all.
25:51
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when you name a country, it's becomes impersonal.
25:54
Speaker 5: And you know, it's a bit like when you have
25:56
Speaker 5: organizations giving an apology on behalf of an industry or
26:00
Speaker 5: something to a group of people that's meaningless. Unless you
26:03
Speaker 5: name names, it's useless. So you know, if you're going
26:07
Speaker 5: to call us a racist country, Give the evidence, give
26:10
Speaker 5: the criteria for why we are a racist country. And
26:14
Speaker 5: certainly just having some people some pockets of racism does
26:17
Speaker 5: not necessarily qualify us as a racist country.
26:20
Speaker 2: You actually wrote in the Australian newspaper that to just
26:23
Speaker 2: smear the entire country is racist. You called that intellectual laziness.
26:28
Speaker 2: What did you mean by.
26:28
Speaker 6: That, Well, because it's taken no if no research.
26:32
Speaker 5: Now, if someone had done a survey or did some
26:35
Speaker 5: research which showed that, you know, every city you go into,
26:38
Speaker 5: you know, it's very easy to find racism more than yeah,
26:41
Speaker 5: you have a valid point. But when you just make
26:42
Speaker 5: the sweeping statement, and it's also easy to make, and
26:47
Speaker 5: because when you make it in personal Australia not naming people,
26:51
Speaker 5: a lot of people are going to back you and
26:52
Speaker 5: support yeah, yeah, we are a racist country, but not me,
26:55
Speaker 5: not me, Australia as a whole racist but not me.
26:57
Speaker 2: Right, which seems to me to make it very difficult
27:00
Speaker 2: to then deal with. People talk about structural racism or
27:04
Speaker 2: inherent racism, which is so nebulous. How do you actually
27:08
Speaker 2: fix that, Like you say, unless there are concrete, specific examples, okay,
27:12
Speaker 2: you can deal with that, but just to throw out
27:14
Speaker 2: broad generalities really makes the person speaking sound very righteous,
27:19
Speaker 2: but does very little to actually enable anything to change.
27:23
Speaker 5: When do you know you've reduced it? When do you
27:24
Speaker 5: know you've eliminated if you can't really quantify it market
27:27
Speaker 5: in the first place.
27:28
Speaker 2: Right, of course, Anthony, one of the big problems in
27:30
Speaker 2: this whole discussion on racism is if you push back
27:34
Speaker 2: and you say no, no, Australia is not a racist country.
27:36
Speaker 2: Well then the counter argument is, will you only think
27:39
Speaker 2: it's not a racist country because you yourself a part
27:42
Speaker 2: of the system and you've got racism, even unconscious bias
27:46
Speaker 2: that you're not aware of, but you're part of the problem.
27:49
Speaker 2: So you can't even have the argument without then being
27:52
Speaker 2: accused of being racist.
27:53
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, and I said that up front. So again
27:56
Speaker 5: that's intellectual laziness. And you know, if they really want
27:59
Speaker 5: to make their point, go out and prove it. Get
28:02
Speaker 5: some good evidence, show us that it's happening, not just
28:05
Speaker 5: as vague stuff that you know, we hide behind casual
28:10
Speaker 5: racism or systemic racism or whatever.
28:13
Speaker 6: You know, give us real examples of racism and we
28:15
Speaker 6: all know what that is.
28:16
Speaker 5: You know, if not serving people of a particular race
28:20
Speaker 5: in a shop or that sort of thing.
28:22
Speaker 2: The other thing you wrote in The Australian that really
28:25
Speaker 2: fascinated me. You said that when people denounce an entire
28:29
Speaker 2: country as racist, they're not calling for improvement of the country.
28:34
Speaker 2: They're actually calling for destruction of the country. Can you
28:37
Speaker 2: unpack that for me?
28:38
Speaker 5: Not only are they calling for destruction, they're also elevating
28:41
Speaker 5: themselves as a saint. And when you characterize a country
28:45
Speaker 5: like that as racist, it gives us a poor reputation
28:50
Speaker 5: internationally and it can create self doubt in some people's
28:54
Speaker 5: minds that you know, if they miss out on a
28:57
Speaker 5: job or something. Well, yeah, actually that's proof that it's racism,
29:01
Speaker 5: because I heard some idiot on TV on the left
29:04
Speaker 5: learning many media calling us racist. So you know, it
29:07
Speaker 5: becomes a self fulling prophecy, prophecy in the eyes of
29:10
Speaker 5: some people.
29:11
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. Your column was an absolute
29:13
Speaker 2: cracker in The Australian. It was a great read. I
29:15
Speaker 2: encourage people that grab a copy of was it Today's
29:18
Speaker 2: to Today's at Today's Australian, grab a copy have a read.
29:20
Speaker 3: It was very good. Anthony Dillon, Thank you so much
29:23
Speaker 3: for your time. Well.
29:25
Speaker 2: The taxpayer funded arts festival known as Rising began in
29:29
Speaker 2: Melbourne at the weekend and the performances ranged from the
29:33
Speaker 2: bizarre to well the downright disturbing. The two week festival
29:37
Speaker 2: features an intersectional rave for the disabled, a performance of
29:42
Speaker 2: queer Filipino ghost Stories, and a Brazilian artist who loses
29:47
Speaker 2: consciousness on stage each night simulating her own sexual assault.
29:53
Speaker 2: Now all of this is funded by the Victorian taxpayer,
29:56
Speaker 2: of course. To help me get my head around all
29:59
Speaker 2: of this, I'm joined by director of the IPA's Foundations
30:02
Speaker 2: of Western Civilization program, Dr Bella Diabrera Bella, thanks for
30:08
Speaker 2: joining me. You wrote about this in the Spectator Australia
30:11
Speaker 2: and honestly I couldn't believe some of the stuff I
30:13
Speaker 2: was reading. Can you just fill us in on some
30:16
Speaker 2: of the artistic expressions that taxpayers are funding at this
30:20
Speaker 2: festival over the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 11: Hi, James, thanks so much for having me on.
30:26
Speaker 12: It's very charitable for you to actually call it artistic,
30:29
Speaker 12: because it really has. This festival has nothing to do
30:33
Speaker 12: with culture and nothing to do with art. It's purely political.
30:37
Speaker 11: Look, it's two weeks of events.
30:40
Speaker 12: You mentioned some of the worst performances and the worst
30:45
Speaker 12: things that are happening during this festival. And I might
30:48
Speaker 12: add also that this is not a fringe festival. This
30:50
Speaker 12: is not something that's happening in a back room of
30:53
Speaker 12: you know, Brunswick or North fitz Roy. This is Melbourne's
30:56
Speaker 12: main festival, funded, as you said, by the Victorian tax payer.
31:00
Speaker 11: So you have something called a.
31:03
Speaker 12: Crip Rave Theory crip Rave Theory, which is an intersectional
31:07
Speaker 12: disco for the disabled. Anyone can go, but you have
31:10
Speaker 12: to buy a ticket based on your you're standing on
31:14
Speaker 12: the sort of intersectionality pyramid. They have a they're turning
31:20
Speaker 12: Federation Square into something called the Black Infinite. They're setting
31:24
Speaker 12: up a sort of a tent embassy where non Aboriginal
31:27
Speaker 12: Australians can go and ask Aboriginal Australians to explain to
31:31
Speaker 12: them things about stolen generations and social justice and you know,
31:36
Speaker 12: all these all these issues that are and racism things
31:39
Speaker 12: like that. They're putting a pay the Rent clock on
31:43
Speaker 12: the State Library, on the facade of the State Library,
31:45
Speaker 12: so that we can see how how much we owe
31:48
Speaker 12: Aboriginal Australians in terms of reparations. There's, as you mentioned,
31:53
Speaker 12: in your introduction, the sort of the main show that
31:56
Speaker 12: the Piersto Resistance is happening in the Mauls House Theater,
32:00
Speaker 12: and that is a Brazilian artist who is recreating her
32:03
Speaker 12: so own sexual assault for three nights in a row
32:06
Speaker 12: by taking a sort of cocktail of drugs which will
32:10
Speaker 12: then put her into a sort of state of unconsciousness,
32:13
Speaker 12: and then there will be some female performers circulating around
32:17
Speaker 12: her body. At one point they're going to insert a
32:19
Speaker 12: camera into her vagina and that's going to be broadcast
32:22
Speaker 12: to the audience.
32:23
Speaker 11: So it's it's totally insane.
32:26
Speaker 12: And you know, as I said in my article, Melbourne's
32:29
Speaker 12: already a very grim place and this is just going
32:32
Speaker 12: to make it grimmer. And you know, the most most
32:35
Speaker 12: egregious aspect of this, as I've said Overner again, is
32:38
Speaker 12: this is being paid for by Victorians at this time
32:41
Speaker 12: in a state that is just in a massive debt.
32:45
Speaker 12: People can't afford to pay their bills, they can't afford
32:48
Speaker 12: to pay their mortgages, and yet the Victorian government is
32:51
Speaker 12: pushing ahead and funding this. It's just unbelievable.
32:56
Speaker 3: It is absolutely unbelievable.
32:58
Speaker 1: Bell.
32:58
Speaker 3: As you're talking on the city here shaking my head.
33:01
Speaker 2: How that qualifies as art that alone, how it qualifies
33:05
Speaker 2: for government funding? I just cannot fathom. Another somewhat bizarre
33:10
Speaker 2: development out of Victoria, Premier just Cinta Allen has appointed
33:14
Speaker 2: Mortielic MP Tim Richardson as the Parliamentary Secretary for Men's
33:19
Speaker 2: Behavior Change. Now there's no argument, the argument that more
33:22
Speaker 2: needs to be done to address violence against women. But
33:26
Speaker 2: is this the answer, a Minister for Men's Behavior Change?
33:33
Speaker 11: No, No, of course it's not the answer. And I
33:36
Speaker 11: have a question.
33:36
Speaker 12: Are they going to teach men that they can't dress
33:39
Speaker 12: up as women and play women's sport? Are they going
33:41
Speaker 12: to teach men that they can't go in to women's
33:44
Speaker 12: changing rooms? I mean, this is totally insane, But unfortunately
33:47
Speaker 12: it's you know, they're the same people who go to
33:49
Speaker 12: Rising will be cheering that this is what is coming
33:52
Speaker 12: out of the Victorian government. It's political. It's nothing to
33:57
Speaker 12: do with the real problem at hand. It's all about
34:01
Speaker 12: social engineering. This is what happens when you're like socialists
34:03
Speaker 12: or whatever you want to call them, a social justice worries.
34:06
Speaker 12: Their whole aim is it's got nothing to do with governing.
34:09
Speaker 12: It's everything to do with social engineering and and you
34:12
Speaker 12: know it's getting very difficult to parody what is going
34:16
Speaker 12: on in Australia. We're fast becoming the most woke country
34:20
Speaker 12: in the West. You know, we've now got a Minister
34:24
Speaker 12: of truth and now we've got a Minister of men.
34:26
Speaker 11: I mean, it's totally bonkers.
34:28
Speaker 2: Well, Bella, here's the Parliamentary Secretary for Men's Behavior Change
34:32
Speaker 2: promoting International Day against Homophobia, Biphobia and Transphobia just a
34:36
Speaker 2: few weeks ago.
34:37
Speaker 3: Have a look all of our community.
34:39
Speaker 1: You have to step up to make sure that we
34:41
Speaker 1: support our lgbt QIA class communities into the future. And
34:45
Speaker 1: so getting on the rainbow, speaking up and always each
34:49
Speaker 1: and every day in Victoria, promoting love, prospect and inclusion
34:53
Speaker 1: is what we're all about. So we see you, we
34:55
Speaker 1: love you, and we want to support you, and we
34:57
Speaker 1: give you a big shout out on Idaholic Day.
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Speaker 2: So Bella, doesn't mister Richardson's role reinforce the gender binary
35:04
Speaker 2: that the Left insists does not exist. And where's the
35:07
Speaker 2: Minister for Women's Behavior Change.
35:11
Speaker 12: Well, there will never be a Minister for Women's behavior
35:14
Speaker 12: change because women can do nothing wrong all the problems
35:17
Speaker 12: in society, of course, are a result of men and
35:21
Speaker 12: of masculinity, and they're all brought into this notion that
35:24
Speaker 12: there is such a thing as toxic toxic masculinity, which
35:27
Speaker 12: by the way, was invented by a psychiatrist looking at
35:31
Speaker 12: men's behavior in prisons. This is just feminism. This is
35:35
Speaker 12: feminists getting their day. They've created a role which basically
35:41
Speaker 12: can blame men for everything in the world that is
35:44
Speaker 12: going wrong and call out their bad behavior.
35:48
Speaker 2: Doctor Bella, Dearbrera, thank you so much for your time.
35:51
Speaker 3: Always good to chat. Well still to come.
35:54
Speaker 2: Will the Victorian government finally be held to account over
35:57
Speaker 2: its draconian COVID decisions plus pro Palestinian activists clash with
36:02
Speaker 2: a gay pride parade.
36:03
Speaker 3: I'll show you all of that after the break. Welcome back.
36:10
Speaker 2: Victoria's COVID nineteen response is back in the spotlight after
36:13
Speaker 2: it was revealed the state government will be expected to
36:17
Speaker 2: release briefing documents behind the world's longest lockdown, despite efforts
36:22
Speaker 2: to keep them a secret. It comes as bombshell testimony
36:25
Speaker 2: from doctor Anthony Fauci in the United States reveals he
36:29
Speaker 2: made up the six foot social distancing rule that was
36:32
Speaker 2: imposed upon Americans and people around the world, including here
36:35
Speaker 2: in Australia.
36:37
Speaker 3: Joining me as.
36:37
Speaker 2: IPA Deputy Executive Director Daniel Wilde and history lecturer and
36:42
Speaker 2: author Stephen Schevura. Daniel, the Victorian government is only making
36:47
Speaker 2: these pandemic documents available after a ruling by the Victorian
36:51
Speaker 2: Civil and Administrative Tribunal. Why do you think they fought
36:55
Speaker 2: so hard to keep them secret.
36:58
Speaker 3: Well, they've got a lot to high James.
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Speaker 13: I mean, as you know, I mean, you were outspoken
37:03
Speaker 13: in the COVID period, Stephen was. You know, there were
37:05
Speaker 13: some brave Australians that spoke out. But you know, so
37:08
Speaker 13: many institutions were implicated in everything that happened during that period,
37:13
Speaker 13: the lockdowns, the mandates, and everything else that came with it,
37:16
Speaker 13: the suppression of our basic freedoms, the truncation of democracy,
37:21
Speaker 13: the inequitable application of the rule of law. Where you
37:25
Speaker 13: had the Black Lives Matter protesters that were given the
37:28
Speaker 13: red carpet treatment. They could go out and protest. But
37:31
Speaker 13: if you was Zoe Buehler putting your opinion on social
37:34
Speaker 13: media about the lockdowns and you were arrested in your
37:37
Speaker 13: own home. There was so many things that were wrong
37:41
Speaker 13: with that period, and that's why we've said that there
37:44
Speaker 13: needs to be a full, transparent Royal commission into the
37:48
Speaker 13: handling of COVID nineteen. That's not just limited to the
37:51
Speaker 13: actions of the federal government, but that includes the state
37:55
Speaker 13: governments because of course they had the main policy levers.
37:58
Speaker 13: They were the ones imposing the lawdowns on Australian So look,
38:02
Speaker 13: I hope that the release of these documents is the
38:06
Speaker 13: beginning of more transparency around what really took place. Many
38:10
Speaker 13: of us at the time knew that the actions that
38:13
Speaker 13: were taken had really nothing to do with health advice.
38:16
Speaker 13: It was really political and I suspect that the documents
38:19
Speaker 13: that are to be released will reinforce what we've thought
38:23
Speaker 13: all along.
38:24
Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be interesting because the Health Department
38:27
Speaker 2: they fought tooth and nail to not release these documents.
38:29
Speaker 2: They said it was going to take years to find
38:32
Speaker 2: and collate all the documents.
38:33
Speaker 3: They said it would cost tens of thousands of dollars.
38:35
Speaker 2: They said, we can't afford to release staff to gather
38:38
Speaker 2: the documents for public consumption because it will take them
38:41
Speaker 2: away from more important pressing issues. So they've certainly tried
38:45
Speaker 2: to delay these documents being reinforced. What about the United States, Stephen,
38:49
Speaker 2: where doctor Fauci has now said the whole social distancing
38:52
Speaker 2: thing that wasn't based on any science or medical testing,
38:57
Speaker 2: something he made up.
38:58
Speaker 3: Are you surprised to hear that?
39:00
Speaker 6: Not at all?
39:01
Speaker 14: And it's something that people had been saying for years
39:03
Speaker 14: that he had no good science to back his mask mandates,
39:08
Speaker 14: the social distances.
39:09
Speaker 3: There's just no good science behind it.
39:11
Speaker 14: And here's the thing, though, people lost their jobs over
39:15
Speaker 14: these rules. Employers imposed vaccine mandates and many people didn't
39:21
Speaker 14: want to take these vaccines.
39:22
Speaker 3: They lost their jobs. Kids missed out.
39:24
Speaker 14: On school for months and months on end, and so
39:27
Speaker 14: we're seeing now kids their learning has been compromised. People
39:32
Speaker 14: weren't allowed to see their loved ones in hospitals, people
39:36
Speaker 14: dying alone. The Ram of America went into trillions of
39:40
Speaker 14: dollars in debt to a large extent for rules they
39:45
Speaker 14: had no scientific basis whatsoever. So absolutely certainly in America
39:50
Speaker 14: they need an investigation. But again in Australia we need
39:54
Speaker 14: a national COVID Royal commission into the response because it's
40:01
Speaker 14: hard to think of a greater mass violation of civil
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Speaker 14: rights in Australia's history than that COVID response.
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Speaker 2: Just before we move on to another topic, Daniel, let
40:11
Speaker 2: me ask you people like doctor Anthony Fauci, who now says,
40:15
Speaker 2: you know what, I just kind of made up that
40:17
Speaker 2: whole social distancing thing.
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Speaker 3: What accountability, if any, should there be?
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Speaker 2: I mean, what should happen to people like him and
40:24
Speaker 2: other leaders around the world who imposed these measures saying
40:27
Speaker 2: that they were backed by science, only to now admit
40:30
Speaker 2: they were sort of making it up as they went.
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Speaker 3: What consequences should there.
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Speaker 13: Be if any, Well, look at a minimum, they should
40:39
Speaker 13: never be able to have a public role ever again
40:41
Speaker 13: if they've made up rules that Stephen quite rightly says
40:46
Speaker 13: had significant and long term consequences on people's lives. And
40:51
Speaker 13: I think Jameson goes to this broader point, which is
40:53
Speaker 13: the rapidly declining trust in institutions that Australians have, whether
40:58
Speaker 13: it's in the police, particularly in Victoria, whether it's in
41:01
Speaker 13: the media, whether it's in the major corporations, whether it's
41:04
Speaker 13: in government itself, and the list goes on. Well, they
41:07
Speaker 13: all supported the lockdowns, they all refused for there to
41:10
Speaker 13: be a debate, they all went along with it, and
41:13
Speaker 13: so it's not a surprise that at the end of
41:15
Speaker 13: the day, the trust in those institutions has gone down,
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Speaker 13: as has trust in those people that were heading those institutions,
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Speaker 13: such as doctor Fauci.
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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of loss of trust in institutions, Daniel, let's
41:27
Speaker 2: talk about universities for a moment.
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Speaker 3: A Sydney University.
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Speaker 2: Professor has had enough of disruptive anti Israel activists barging
41:34
Speaker 2: into classrooms.
41:35
Speaker 3: Have a look at what he did opposed to the
41:38
Speaker 3: genocide in Palestine.
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Speaker 1: You know there's a ralliant Thursday one pm.
41:43
Speaker 3: We could come along to that one.
41:50
Speaker 2: He'd had enough, Stephen, he just turned up the music
41:53
Speaker 2: and drowned the protest out there. You lecture in universities,
41:56
Speaker 2: What do you think of the professor's tactics.
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Speaker 14: I think what he did was brilliant and it's nice
42:00
Speaker 14: to see someone at Sydney University demonstrating some moral courage.
42:05
Speaker 14: Now they say, well, you know, we're going to allow
42:06
Speaker 14: this encampment to stay because it's a free speech thing.
42:09
Speaker 14: You don't need to take up a part of the
42:12
Speaker 14: university grounds to exercise free speech. There have been people
42:16
Speaker 14: who've been spat on by people in this members of
42:18
Speaker 14: this encampment they put graffiti up. One of their demands
42:22
Speaker 14: is that Sydney University cuts all ties with Israeli universities,
42:26
Speaker 14: not universities funded by the CCP, not Saudi Arabian universities,
42:30
Speaker 14: not Iranian universities. These are places where some of the
42:33
Speaker 14: biggest human rights abuses have been going on for decades.
42:36
Speaker 14: No just Israel, that's what we call anti Semitism. And
42:41
Speaker 14: not surprisingly, the Vice Chancellor Mark Scott has basically rewarded
42:45
Speaker 14: all of this by agreeing to look into some of
42:48
Speaker 14: their demands. So it's nice to see someone at Sydney
42:50
Speaker 14: University is showing a bit of moral courage with a
42:53
Speaker 14: little bit of flair.
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Speaker 3: Right, a bit of flair, indeed, I like that.
42:56
Speaker 2: Let's quickly go to the US where hundreds of anti
42:59
Speaker 2: Israel protest has crashed a gay Pride parade in Philadelphia,
43:03
Speaker 2: bringing the whole thing to a holt have a look.
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Speaker 3: I think we can all agree there's a lot going
43:33
Speaker 3: on there, Daniel. Is this a case of the left eating.
43:36
Speaker 6: Their own.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it is, James, and there's a lot
43:42
Speaker 13: of confused young people out there.
43:44
Speaker 3: I can tell you that much.
43:45
Speaker 13: I'm not too sure what's going on there, But look,
43:48
Speaker 13: I mean, this is what happens when you go down
43:50
Speaker 13: the identity politics rabbit hole. It becomes ever less intractable
43:56
Speaker 13: as the days go by. And I think the normal
43:58
Speaker 13: people who see that on their their television screens, I mean,
44:01
Speaker 13: this is in the US, they'd be saying, look, this
44:03
Speaker 13: is why we need someone like a Donald Trump in
44:06
Speaker 13: order to cut through this and try and unite the
44:08
Speaker 13: country around shared values, because we know the Left have
44:12
Speaker 13: been going down the identity politics path where they have
44:14
Speaker 13: their different sectional groups that they try and knit together
44:17
Speaker 13: to try and win an electoral majority. But look, I
44:20
Speaker 13: think most people in mainstream society across the Western world
44:23
Speaker 13: are starting to just have a gutful of this, including
44:25
Speaker 13: that lecture at the university. So look, I think that
44:29
Speaker 13: the more people see of this, the more they begin
44:32
Speaker 13: to really question what's been going on in our education
44:34
Speaker 13: institutions and are looking for leadership to get us out
44:36
Speaker 13: of it.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, well, Daniel Wild, Stephen Shiva, thank you so much
44:41
Speaker 2: for your time. We're going to go to a break,
44:43
Speaker 2: but stick around because coming up, the Tories in the
44:45
Speaker 2: UK their latest pledge to clear up confusion around gender
44:49
Speaker 2: but is it going to help them win the election?
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Speaker 3: Ester Crack, who joins me in just a moment.
44:56
Speaker 2: Well, let's head over to the UK, where the Conservative
44:59
Speaker 2: Party has pledged to change the Equality Act to clarify
45:02
Speaker 2: that in law, sex refers to one's biology rather than
45:06
Speaker 2: one's gender identity. Now, the party says this is to
45:09
Speaker 2: clear up confusion around access to single sex spaces and
45:13
Speaker 2: would likely result in men who identify as women being
45:17
Speaker 2: barred from female only spaces. Let's bring in writer and
45:20
Speaker 2: broadcast as to Kraku, who is live in London. What's
45:25
Speaker 2: been the media reaction to this proposal.
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Speaker 8: It's actually been quite accommodating.
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Speaker 4: Many people are finally signing a breath of relief because
45:35
Speaker 4: it's just about time.
45:36
Speaker 8: You know, the whole kind of toxic cultural war.
45:38
Speaker 4: Around this gender identity thing has come down to the
45:40
Speaker 4: fact that the law hasn't been clear, so you've always
45:42
Speaker 4: had this ambiguity around people's gender identity and how they
45:45
Speaker 4: identify being able to.
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Speaker 8: Share single sex spaces.
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Speaker 4: And clearly people are seeing Kemmy Beidenock, who's the Equalities Minister,
45:52
Speaker 4: as the adult in the room for finally clarifying this
45:54
Speaker 4: the problem she has is the fact that the Tories
45:57
Speaker 4: have been in power fourteen years and why they haven't
45:59
Speaker 4: decided to push this through anytime sooner, just you know,
46:03
Speaker 4: a few weeks before the election. And now the Tories
46:05
Speaker 4: have the problem of no one believing anything that they say,
46:08
Speaker 4: because you know, the counter argument is, well, you've had
46:10
Speaker 4: time to do this, why didn't you.
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Speaker 8: Do it before?
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Speaker 4: But for the rest of us, particularly women who have
46:15
Speaker 4: been crying about the outrage over sort of gender id
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Speaker 4: laws and people identifying as whatever they want to be
46:20
Speaker 4: to invade single sex spaces, this is definitely a very
46:24
Speaker 4: welcome introduction.
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Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to ask you about the timing of
46:29
Speaker 2: the decision, because, as you said, they could have done
46:31
Speaker 2: this years ago, they've done it now right before an election.
46:36
Speaker 2: Is this a vote winner?
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Speaker 4: It's not going to be a vote winner. I don't think,
46:41
Speaker 4: just because it's just too late in the game. I mean,
46:44
Speaker 4: Kenmy Badenock.
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Speaker 8: I suspect we'll probablykeep us see because she's.
46:46
Speaker 4: One of the most popular, if not the most popular,
46:48
Speaker 4: conservative politician, But unfortunately she's still in a party that's
46:51
Speaker 4: dying a slow and painful death, and many polls are
46:54
Speaker 4: suggesting that the Tories are facing, you know, near wipeout
46:57
Speaker 4: at the next election. Unfortunately, this is not something that's
47:00
Speaker 4: going to save them from that.
47:02
Speaker 9: Now.
47:02
Speaker 4: The Labor Party, particularly Kis Starmer, has really dragged his
47:04
Speaker 4: feet on this. He's actually in many ways marginalized people
47:07
Speaker 4: within his own party that have spoken about this. We have,
47:10
Speaker 4: you know, Labor and p Rosie Duffield who said that,
47:13
Speaker 4: you know, protecting single sex spaceis is extremely important to
47:15
Speaker 4: her and she came out very vocally against Kis Starmer's
47:18
Speaker 4: Labor Party and said he's running a ship that's effectively
47:21
Speaker 4: excluding voices like her from actually having any impact. So
47:26
Speaker 4: Kenny Bidenock is right there to criticize the Labor Party
47:28
Speaker 4: for really dragging their feet and not treating this with
47:30
Speaker 4: the importantness.
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Speaker 8: This tragic thing is that the Tories have just left
47:33
Speaker 8: it too late.
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Speaker 2: Well, as you said, Kirs Starmer's had his own issues
47:37
Speaker 2: with this, I mean famously a while back he said
47:40
Speaker 2: that ninety nine point nine percent of women don't have
47:43
Speaker 2: a penis, which of course left open the very small
47:46
Speaker 2: percentage who he believes do. If Labor win powered, do
47:51
Speaker 2: you expect this kind of law to be enacted by
47:54
Speaker 2: the Labor Party or they'll back right away from this.
47:57
Speaker 2: We'll end up with more gender madness under Labor.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think it.
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Speaker 4: Depends on the majority that they win. They still do
48:04
Speaker 4: have a few backbench MP's like Jess Phillips and like
48:07
Speaker 4: Rosie Uffield, who would probably fly the flag for concerned
48:11
Speaker 4: women like myself.
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Speaker 8: I mean, the issue.
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Speaker 4: Krise Stalma has is for the ninety nine point nine
48:15
Speaker 4: percent of women he's sure don't have a penis. I
48:18
Speaker 4: would really hope that he includes his wife in there,
48:20
Speaker 4: considering he has children himself, so the biology of how
48:23
Speaker 4: he conceived those children would be a bit questionable if
48:26
Speaker 4: he didn't think so.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely Well, there's a few weeks to go before the election.
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Speaker 2: We're all watching with baited breath to see what happens
48:34
Speaker 2: esther Craker, thanks so much for your time. Well that's
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Speaker 2: it from me. I'll see you tomorrow at seven o'clock,
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Speaker 2: but don't go anywhere. Coming right up is Sharry Markson.