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The Dark Knight Trilogy · Cuff’s Basement

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  Speaker 1: Fuck wow.
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  Speaker 2: Too late, now, idiot. We were just talking about how
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  Speaker 2: Ryan failed to get the scores. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: You could just my mom. We could just do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, does he know swing music? But anyways, no,
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, and it is July.
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  Speaker 2: say it's very fitting to record this episode today because
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  Speaker 2: it's such an American topic, but then I realized the
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  Speaker 2: production for what we're going to talk about is entirely
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  Speaker 2: British and every way like could not be more British.
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  Speaker 2: So it's actually insulting to do this movie on July fourth.
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  Speaker 2: Eric and Ryan blah blah blah about god knows what.
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  Speaker 3: I would skip this one. I was so proud of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you said, you're telling people not to listen to
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars, right.
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars are the first official one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Blockbuster Month.
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  Speaker 3: We did, and that's we've only done three so far.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't miss any.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I believe we willing to those three.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so it is.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan and I have talked about how like there's anything
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  Speaker 2: that we have never done before, we really need to
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  Speaker 2: knock it out this year.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, like we both.
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  Speaker 2: Have mutually had that feeling. I don't know if one
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  Speaker 2: of us is going to die or if maybe the
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  Speaker 2: world is at.
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  Speaker 3: Large is going to die.
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  Speaker 2: But we've been trying to like not we did Hook,
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  Speaker 2: we did Stone Cold, No, we did Uh. What are
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  Speaker 2: some other like bucket list things we've had on here?
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  Speaker 1: We did Roger Rabbit Hook.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about that forever doing Roger Rabbit.
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  Speaker 1: Did we already one before the other? I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I think we did Hook first, Okay, but I love
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  Speaker 2: the four parts.
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  Speaker 3: That's just so good.
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  Speaker 1: Why not deserves it?
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the few times people will commented
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  Speaker 2: like you were so passionate about the topic, both of you.
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  Speaker 2: We just talked about a hook. But we're we we
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  Speaker 2: we have. There's like one huge hole in our podcast game,
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  Speaker 2: and it's I've widely said that it's within my top
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  Speaker 2: three movies of all time. It would probably be number two.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't covered my number two favorite movie of all time, Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: and Uh, it's part of a trilogy. If if you can,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna hide the title of this. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: call it Blockbuster Month. So people who are listening right now,
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  Speaker 2: are you're guessing what it?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: What could it possibly be.
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  Speaker 2: It's a British production, an American character, it's a comic
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  Speaker 2: book character. It's part of a trilogy. British director, my
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  Speaker 2: second favorite movie of all time. Ryan, What trilogy are
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  Speaker 2: we covering this month?
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  Speaker 4: We are finally covering the Blade trilogy, finally doing sorry again,
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  Speaker 4: that's right for doing it.
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  Speaker 1: We're reblading.
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  Speaker 4: We are doing the officially in quotes, Dark Knight Trilogy
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  Speaker 4: or is that kind of like the fan name of it.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the fan name of it, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But we're doing the Nolan Batman movies.
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  Speaker 2: I always call it the Christopher Nolan Batman Trilogy, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe it is the Dark Knight Trilogy. Do they sell
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  Speaker 2: like a three pack of Blu rays called the Dark
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  Speaker 2: Knight Trilogy?
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  Speaker 4: They do, Actually, I believe they do call it the
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  Speaker 4: Dark I don't know if they just call it like
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  Speaker 4: the Dark Knight Trilogy by itself, but let me see,
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  Speaker 4: yes they do.
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  Speaker 1: They call it the Dark Knight Trilogy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And as far as scornography goes, this is even for me,
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  Speaker 2: one of the biggest scores, like one of my most
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  Speaker 2: important scores of all time. It is by your boy,
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  Speaker 2: uh Hans Zimmer correct.
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  Speaker 1: Han Zimmer and James Newton Howard.
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  Speaker 2: Now what else have they done that are like major
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  Speaker 2: films that everyone knows well.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Zimmer did a lot with Nolan after Inception
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  Speaker 4: Interstellar and then he's doing Dune. James Dwton Howard, I'd say,
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  Speaker 4: probably famous for the Hunger Games scores. Before that, he
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  Speaker 4: was Shyamalan's guy for like Signs, Unbreakable sixth Sense. He's
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  Speaker 4: been around for a long time, so they've done a lot.
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  Speaker 4: And of course Zimmer like did the Lion King in
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  Speaker 4: the nineties, Rainman in the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: He's a ton of.
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  Speaker 3: I had no idea that Zimmer did the Lion King score.
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  Speaker 4: He won an Oscar for the Lion King score, not
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  Speaker 4: the song. The score, not the song. Songs are what's
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  Speaker 4: his name? Elton John and Tim Rice.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, because like I remember, the Stampede
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  Speaker 2: score was really iconic. When you move us that dies,
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  Speaker 2: the Wildebes score.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, very uh.
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  Speaker 4: Animated movies, a lot of them will win scores like
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  Speaker 4: up one best score, so those ones tend to get
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  Speaker 4: that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Brian Setzer also part of the score of the.
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  Speaker 1: Huge, Huge part of the series yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, people listening are like, what, So I
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  Speaker 2: was watching the first movie Batman begins and Brian Setzer
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  Speaker 2: For those that don't know, he was a or I
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  Speaker 2: think he's still alive, but he's an American rock musician.
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  Speaker 3: He was in the Straight Cats.
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  Speaker 2: He had a single in the eighties called Stray Cat's
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  Speaker 2: Strut and then I love just like really niche weird
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  Speaker 2: blips and time and music where you look back and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, how was this thing? And I talked about
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  Speaker 2: in the past the swing revival with like the Cherry
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  Speaker 2: Pop and Daddies and it's just so weird. The movie
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  Speaker 2: Swing Kids came out and it was like nineteen twenties
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  Speaker 2: swing music was back.
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  Speaker 3: In so odd for the longest time.
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  Speaker 2: The Imax used to play the Cherry Pop and Daddy's
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  Speaker 2: Zootsuit Riot before the movie started.
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  Speaker 3: Do they still do that?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely no, they still do.
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  Speaker 4: If the movie's not playing, they have the scream with
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  Speaker 4: the lights bouncing around, they play it. They also play
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  Speaker 4: movie music too, but they still will play.
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  Speaker 2: Those songs and the worst name for a band ever,
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  Speaker 2: the Cherry Pop and Daddy's So. Brian Setzer had a
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  Speaker 2: big swing revival hit called jump Drive and Whale that
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  Speaker 2: we all know it's iconic, greatest song of all time.
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  Speaker 2: And I just randomly sent Ryan a quote, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: a clip from Batman begins of Christian Bale and Katie
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  Speaker 2: Holmes talking and then all of a sudden, just blasting
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  Speaker 2: into the senior.
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  Speaker 3: Year, dude, do do Do Do Do Do doo? Baby, Baby,
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  Speaker 3: it looks like it's gonna hail Do Do Do Do Doo.
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  Speaker 2: And this has led to many, many text exchanges and
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  Speaker 2: recordings of different scenes, and uh, probably will be.
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  Speaker 1: It can work a lot, It's yes.
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  Speaker 2: And they were probably mentioned multiple times. And there was
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  Speaker 2: there was a scene where I was voicing Batman that
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  Speaker 2: I sent to you and I said, uh.
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  Speaker 3: I, I don't know where the drugs are being ship.
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  Speaker 3: I swear, please, you gotta believe me. Papa's in the
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  Speaker 3: ice box looking for a can of all what.
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  Speaker 2: And then you responded, so they because from what I
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  Speaker 2: was texting Ryan, Christopher Nolan originally wanted to cast Brian
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  Speaker 2: Setzer as Batman, and then Ryan said so he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to cast them and have him scored the movie at
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  Speaker 2: the same time.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's ever happened.
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  Speaker 4: Also, it's like you're so hard coding the movie to
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  Speaker 4: Brian Setzer, you can't like re edit and change it
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  Speaker 4: like you just.
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  Speaker 1: You completely fucked the movie entirely.
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  Speaker 4: If that's like like I would love it, Like like
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  Speaker 4: Warner Brothers, like Christopher Nolan, you're so successful, we trust you,
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  Speaker 4: go for it, and then you show it me.
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  Speaker 1: They're just like, what, yeah, man.
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  Speaker 3: It's Benman.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the importance of this trilogy for me
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  Speaker 2: is I think that for me personally, Batman is the
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  Speaker 2: most important fictional character of all time. There's no one,
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  Speaker 2: there's no fictional character that is shaped and impacted my
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  Speaker 2: life as much as Batman. And there's many many depictions
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  Speaker 2: of Batman throughout the years, comics, animated films, animated series,
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  Speaker 2: live action movies. And I think that, you know, as
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  Speaker 2: much as we want to say that, like the best
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  Speaker 2: version of Batman ever is Batman the animated series, it's
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  Speaker 2: not as important, Like everyone has to acknowledge that the
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  Speaker 2: most important medium is live action film for like telling
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  Speaker 2: a story of a comic book character, like you could
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  Speaker 2: say that there are better comics than the Avengers movie,
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  Speaker 2: but it was just a very much bigger deal that
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  Speaker 2: they actually fucking made an Avengers movie and it was
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  Speaker 2: really good, right, Yeah, And you're seeing these characters come
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  Speaker 2: to life live action on screen, Like, no matter how
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  Speaker 2: good of a comic book is, it's just not the same,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: And it's kind of like what people imagine in their head.
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  Speaker 4: Like that's what like people almost equate to when they
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  Speaker 4: want these things, Like is the version I have created
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  Speaker 4: in my head matchable.
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  Speaker 1: To what I see on Screammage. Maybe it's not a
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  Speaker 1: good way to look at it, but yeah, it truly is.
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  Speaker 4: Like it also feels like the material like that you
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  Speaker 4: love is like quote unquote graduating.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you're how to describe it, but yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: And if you read a comic that changes your life
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  Speaker 2: and is amazing, that's not the same shared experience because
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  Speaker 2: like The Dark Knight Returns is probably one of the
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  Speaker 2: most read comics ever in the history of comics. There's
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  Speaker 2: never Yeah, millions and millions and millions of people that
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  Speaker 2: have seen the read The Dark Knight Returns. When a
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  Speaker 2: movie comes out, like Batman begins in the Dark Night
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  Speaker 2: and The Dark Knight Rises, we're talking like billions of
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  Speaker 2: people have seen it.
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  Speaker 1: It is a.
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  Speaker 2: Different shared experience, like it defines Batman to the masses,
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  Speaker 2: and nothing's perfect.
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  Speaker 3: These movies are not perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Paul had a lot of problems with them, which we
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  Speaker 2: can we'll probably talk about, not specifically like what Paul
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  Speaker 2: set or thought, but just what are the issues in
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  Speaker 2: this trilogy with Batman as a character or you know,
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  Speaker 2: other things.
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  Speaker 3: So they're not perfect, but given the.
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  Speaker 2: Scope of the shared experience, how important live action movies are,
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  Speaker 2: how impactful they are, and how they define Batman for
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  Speaker 2: you know, a generation, this to me is the best
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  Speaker 2: Batman story ever told in that sense, because as much
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  Speaker 2: as we like the Michael Keaton Batman movies, they're great
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  Speaker 2: Batman and Batman Returns, it's it's not the same. The
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  Speaker 2: Dark Knight is, I think the greatest comic movie of
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  Speaker 2: all time. And even though like you could say, The
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  Speaker 2: Dark Knight Returns is a better story as a comic,
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  Speaker 2: just the fact that this is a live action movie
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  Speaker 2: that was witnessed by billions of people, like this, to
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  Speaker 2: me is the most important best version of Batman ever
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  Speaker 2: would be this trilogy.
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  Speaker 4: I think we'll definitely obviously get into it with the
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  Speaker 4: second one, but we got to see it anyone who
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  Speaker 4: was obviously seen the movie in theaters, especially when it
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  Speaker 4: came out. You got to watch the breakthrough happen in
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  Speaker 4: real time, which is a rarity in life with any
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  Speaker 4: of this stuff, let alone, Like I can be a
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  Speaker 4: huge fan of Star Wars, but I was not there
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  Speaker 4: for the time it came.
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  Speaker 1: Out and exploded and kind of changed pop culture.
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  Speaker 4: We got to watch this one happen live, so I
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  Speaker 4: think we have a whole perspective on this that's like
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  Speaker 4: many people at the time we saw this, Like it
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  Speaker 4: was just so amazing to watch this unfold in real time,
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  Speaker 4: the impact of these movies and what became of everybody involved.
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  Speaker 4: Because I think the scariest thing about this is the
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  Speaker 4: first one is twenty one years old.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just like, we'll get into it. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 2: I think they actually age incredibly well, because I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: believe how well, how impactful Begins was watching it last night.
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  Speaker 1: He looked amazing, We're gonna get it, looked incredible.
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  Speaker 3: Looked incredible.
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  Speaker 2: But also just the storytelling of these movies, like they
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  Speaker 2: actually addressed because back back in the day, children who
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  Speaker 2: don't realize this, not every fucking movie was a political statement.
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  Speaker 2: Some movies were just to be enjoyed a politically like
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  Speaker 2: in a vacuum away from politics or Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Or this or that.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so like, it's so mainstream and everywhere in
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  Speaker 2: our society now that when the Robert Pattinson movie came out,
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  Speaker 2: they actually addressed it. I thought, incredibly, well, how Batman
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  Speaker 2: is kind of like a right wing conservative character.
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  Speaker 3: He's a he's a guy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's breaking the law, he's a vigilante, but
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  Speaker 2: he's a very black and white good versus evil beat.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if somebody is a drag addict and is
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  Speaker 2: struggling to survive, I don't care how what their upbringing was,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if they get rehab, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: beat their face in. Like that's what Batman is essentially.
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  Speaker 2: So you could see him as a right wing conservative character,
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  Speaker 2: like a Ronald Reagan, almost like Tough on Crime nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighties Gout and the Robert Pattinson movie addresses that incredibly well.
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  Speaker 3: I think even though.
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  Speaker 2: These movies are very apolitical, I think these movies address
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  Speaker 2: that really well too, because it's it talks so much
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  Speaker 2: of especially the first movie about empathy and why Bruce
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  Speaker 2: makes the decisions he makes. It's not about just punching criminal,
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  Speaker 2: like breaking criminals noses because you're angry, like that's not
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  Speaker 2: what Bruce is doing in these.
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  Speaker 4: Movies, agreed, And it's again, I know it's intro episode,
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  Speaker 4: but like I really forgot watching this movie how much
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  Speaker 4: Bruce the beginning is not that way.
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  Speaker 1: And even that was kind of.
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  Speaker 4: A thing where like the contemporary movies at the time
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  Speaker 4: of this, I mean, these movies also came out at an
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  Speaker 4: incredibly four compact movies pivotal time period because they span
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  Speaker 4: from five to twenty twelve, where things completely changed in
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  Speaker 4: that time period, and a lot of its contemporaries, like
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  Speaker 4: you said, were very apolitical, like kind of X Men,
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  Speaker 4: definitely Spider Man, where like they were just much more
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  Speaker 4: self contained stories. They had thematic things that we could
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  Speaker 4: all grab onto and you could emotionally connect with, which
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  Speaker 4: is great, but like Spider Man is not trying to
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  Speaker 4: make any type of social commentary or political statements intentionally
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  Speaker 4: unless people project one on it. And I think so it's
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  Speaker 4: even interesting how these movies as they go on get
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  Speaker 4: more and more commentative, if you will, but even still
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  Speaker 4: just in like the minimal you can see in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we just cool. Unless you have
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  Speaker 3: anything else to say. I wanted to close.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to close the intro episode in a particular thought.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't about liberal or conservative like the battle that
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  Speaker 2: Batman wages in what he means and why he he
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  Speaker 2: does the things he does and goes about being Batman
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  Speaker 2: the way that he does. It's a battle about the
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  Speaker 2: human condition. And I couldn't and that's what the whole
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  Speaker 2: second movie is about between him and the Joker, is
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  Speaker 2: the argument about the human condition or humans essentially good
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  Speaker 2: or essentially bad. And we'll obviously get into that in
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  Speaker 2: the Dark Night episode, which will probably be ten parts.
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  Speaker 2: But I was watching Batman Begins and I couldn't stop
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  Speaker 2: thinking of this iconic moment that I've mentioned on the
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  Speaker 2: podcast before. It's one of my favorite Batman moments ever.
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  Speaker 2: But it's in an animated film. Shit, I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: which one is a crisis on infinite Earth's the one
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  Speaker 2: with all Man.
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  Speaker 1: That's crisis yep, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so Owlman.
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  Speaker 2: It's to briefly briefly summarize, there's infinite parallel universes and
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  Speaker 2: in a parallel universe. There's an evil batman named Alman
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  Speaker 2: hasht shutout al chat hashtag awls or evil, but Chris
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  Speaker 2: is on two Earth. Yeah, okay, thank you for fact
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  Speaker 2: checking me. And there's a there's no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I'm genuinely glad you did that. I wasn't being sarcastic
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  Speaker 2: when I said that. And he is an evil batman,
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  Speaker 2: and he comes up with this plan where he's going
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  Speaker 2: to destroy like the Origin Universe of humans. And if
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  Speaker 2: he destroys the Origin Universe, like literally all life will
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  Speaker 2: be over all life that ever lived in all parallel universes.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: So he's essentially killing billions and billions and billions of people.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: But his argument is there won't be any suffering anymore.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: If if we blink and everybody's dead, there's not gonna
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: be pain because like it's one thing if if if
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: if I were to kill you know, lessons, let's say say,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: you know, save it for the trial. But if I
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: were to kill Shanan, right, it's a if I were
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: to shoot she In in the back of the head,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: she wouldn't really suffer. It's everybody around her that would,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: like ce C would suffer, her Mom would suffer. Kate
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: would suffer. I would suffer because they'd put me in
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: a jail cell, which I should be free. You know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: But if you were to end all life simultaneously in
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: the blink of an eye with no pain and everyone's gone,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: it's not even really cruel, because humans as a whole
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: are bad, and you would be essentially like ending suffering, right,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And I can see that argument, like there is some
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: validity to that argument, you know what I mean, Like
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not I wouldn't be possible to actually do that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: But so Batman, regular Batman, the non evil one, defeats Alman,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and al Man is basically strapped to this bomb and
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: he can't escape.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: He ends up dying, and as.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Batman leaves him, because Alman is saying to him the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: whole time, like you are and me, like we are
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the same person in parallel universes. My parents were murdered,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Your parents were murdered. We dealt with criminals. You know
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the horrors of this world, How evil people are, how
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: much suffering they cause? How can you possibly not agree
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: with me? And as Allaman is about to be blown up,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: strapped to this bomb and Batman is leaving, he says
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: there is a difference between you and me.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: We both stared
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Into the abyss, but when the abyss stared back at us,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: you blinked.