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Where Does The Notre Dame Game Rank Among Ohio State's Most Exciting Wins? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Sunday, October one time, your host tom
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  Or. The Maryland game is in six days, the game against Michigan in
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  fifty five days. Yes, the Ohio State win over Notre Dame is now
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  a little over a week old, but there's still a couple of things we
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  need to talk about coming out of that game. Tony and I did a
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  couple of listener question shows on the Buckeye Weekly podcast feed late in the week
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  Thursday and Friday, and we had one more question that we didn't get to
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  that we thought, boy, this merit's almost its own show because there's a
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  lot of stuff to talk about in the context to this one. So we're
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  gonna bring in Tony to answer this question. And Tony, where does a
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  Notre Dame game rank among the greatest games you've attended in person? You know,
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  down on the field. While that is going on, my initial question
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  to somebody next to me was comparing it to twenty sixteen Michigan game. That's
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  where I initially went And so I guess it's kind of the first answer is
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  your your best answer type of thing. But then as I go down and
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  look at it, I went and looked at all of the games over the
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  last decade or whatever that I've been at, It's like, well, I
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  don't know, that was pretty good. That was pretty good. But when
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  your first thought is the twenty sixteen Michigan game double overtime, I think part
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  of the reason for that is also where you're located in the field, like
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  every every watching it in Ohio Stadium, you're able to go back and forth
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  from end zone to end zone. On a sideline, you can you can
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  go to one end or the other as the action is happening every you know,
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  So we went walked to each end zone. The Notre Dame thing happening
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  at the far end zone of where we were, so we had to experience
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  it as much on the scoreboard as the field of play. But still that
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  scene, that just the way it happened, that the final drive, which
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  Ohio State you rarely see a final drive lead to the winning touchdown in the
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  final seconds like that. So add stuff that nothing we'd never we haven't seen
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  much before, and just the hype around that one, like I don't know
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  that it's number one, but it's boy, it's going to be one that
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  when I when I'm at another great game. I'm thinking, is this better
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  than Notre Dame? Yeah? And I think part of the answer to this
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  question is contingent on how you want to frame the conversation, because the fact
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  that this was a September twenty third game and not a college football playoff game,
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  not a Rose Bowl, not a game that is determining, dude,
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  does this team go to the National Championship game, does this team win the
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  Big Ten, whatever it is. I think it gets held back a little
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  bit by that. If you're going purely by just the drama of the game,
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  it is right up there with just about any of them. I had
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  five games that I think I might put ahead of that, but a lot
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  of them are tingent, you know, hinge on the context of the game
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  itself and how much that game meant. Now technically, technically, I don't
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  think it was the most exciting game of this calendar year by about two seconds,
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  because the Ohio State Georgia Peach Bowl was number one, incredibly dramatic.
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  Number two also came down to literally the last play, and number three had
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  not, I mean technically just had a birth in the National Championship game,
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  Hanging in the balance. Really looking back, that was the national championship game.
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  Ohio State missed the national championship by one, you know, one kick
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  at the end of that Peach Bowl. Because that's the first ever national championship
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  game by that any team has ever gotten getting to play TCU. So I
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  think that Georgia game is up there probably, you know, just because of
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  the stakes. I think that's got to go ahead of the of the Notre
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  Dame game. What about the Clemson game, the Fiesta Bowl in twenty nineteen,
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  And I promise friends, there are there are Ohio State wins on this
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  list as well. I'm just kind of going backwards chronologically. But you know
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  the way that Fiesta Bowl ended with the interception by Justin Field, you know,
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  Clubs and having gone down the field and scored the go ahead touchdown right
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  before that. Two teams that were just right at the absolute top of the
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  sport, two teams that, you know, if you look back, I
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  think at the time we felt like these might be two teams that win the
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  national championship and just about any other year. And neither of them won the
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  National Championship championship that year because they had the misfortune of playing the same sport
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  as Joe Burrow. That to me, I think, you know, the
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  drama was there as well. Obviously, oh High State fans didn't enjoy it
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  as much, but the stakes were higher. I mean, what about the
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  two of those, because those two both jumped out to me as because of
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  what was on the line every bit as dramatic as the Notre Dame game.
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  The quality of play in those two games is higher, and especially the Georgia
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  game, two heavyweights throwing everything they had at each other, connecting and then
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  still firing back at each other. So to me, I like that one
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  was had drama, it had meaning, it had execution and stellar play,
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  outstanding play, big plays, comebacks. The Clemson that the there is obviously
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  drama there as well, losing JK. Dobbins and him coming back, and
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  but the execution wasn't as good as the the Georgia game. What about what
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  about the Rose Bowl against Utah, which there there's that that had a ton
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  of drama. It's it's just the Rose Bowl, but that was a comeback
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  for the Ages. And some of these games we we we we can maybe
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  judge based on the postgame show that we do that we do and the number
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  of people and how long it goes, and that that Rose Bowl post game
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  was you know, that was a scene, and that entire game was a
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  scene. But I also would want to know, and it's not as close
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  of a game, but the twenty twenty Clemson game if there had been more
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  than three thousand people in the stands too, if there had been forty thousand
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  Ohio State fans in there to witness the basically the overcoming of the twenty nineteen
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  game, I wonder where we would put that one on the list. Yeah,
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  that was I mean, that was a game that was over in the
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  middle of the third quarter. So that's why I didn't have that on the
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  list. I did have the Rose Bowl game on here, just because again
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  that was another one that went down to the last second and Ohio State kicking
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  a field goal. There just was not a national championship on the line at
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  that one, but the game itself was you know, you want you want
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  to take the championship context out of that one. Yeah, that's absolutely right
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  up there for me. We will get to another Rose Bowl a little later
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  on. You know. The two thousand and six Michigan game also, I
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  think is that's one that it was forty two thirty nine, but it wasn't
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  really quite as close as that would have you believe, because it was forty
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  two thirty one, I think with five minutes left, and the Michigan scored
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  a touchdown, but they didn't, you know, they had ann side kick.
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  Oh has it recovers then run out the clock. So it was not
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  that was not Ohio State hanging on for dear life, but just the context
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  of that week, number one versus number two. For the first time ever,
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  bo Schembeckler passes away the day before the game, it turns you know,
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  everyone is expecting this low scoring slug fest and it turns into to shootout.
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  I mean, that was one of the most memorable games that I think
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  I've ever been too. Regardless of context. I just think that it suffers
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  a little bit because of and then what happened, and Michigan goes to the
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  Rose Bowl and loses to usc by fourteen points. Ohio State goes to the
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  Fiesta Bowl and loses to Georgia by or to Florida by more than fourteen points.
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  And now you look back and it's like what you know, at the
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  time, it was the game of the century and now it's like, well,
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  that was a very good Ohio State Michigan game, but then they both
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  lost in the bowl game, so basically it was a ten year were Ohio
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  State Michigan ball game instead. But you know, I think that one on
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  the whole is up there. It wasn't quite as dramatic, wasn't right down
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  to the last possible second, But the context of the week certainly helps bolster
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  that one. Another one that went that did go right down to the last
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  possible second where there was a national championship on the line as well, two
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  thousand and two Ohio State. That I mean, that's a relatively close parallel
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  to this one, because it was like fifty eight minutes. A boy,
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  this is a very close game. There are very high stakes here. But
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  oh boy, this has not been a well played game. You had Maury's
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  Clarette scoring the one touchdown early, you had Mohall scoring the game winner,
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  and then Will Hall saving the day, you know, by a yard and
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  a yard and a second on the goal line picking off John Navarre at the
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  end of that game. That's you know, again a bigger you know,
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  this one last weekend was not for all the Tostitos that the two thousand and
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  two games there was more on the line because it was an end of the
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  season and Ohio State playing for a spot in the National Championship Game and all
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  that kind of stuff. But I think just in terms of the game itself,
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  that was pretty close to what we saw last weekend in South Bend.
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  And first, I will correct you so that other people don't Will Allen instead
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  of Will Hall. Sorry, how did I say Will Hall? Who's Will
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  Hall? Because you said Mo Hall than Will Hall. That's all fine.
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  I made your dreams come true. You get to correct me. I know
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  it's your favorite thing. Yes, go on, Will Allen. I'll just
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  dub it in later. I won't dub it in later. It's fine,
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  Will Allen with the interception on the goal. Life. I have nothing else
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  to add. I just wanted to know that two thousand and two games,
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  because remember, Ohio State wasn't always in the national title picture, or they
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  were one play away from the national title picture as often as they may be
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  now, but that one was a long time coming against Michigan, where sure
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  Jim Tressell beat him in his first year, but you weren't assuming it was
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  going to happen every year, just yet, and that that took many more
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  wins before the assumption started coming in. And then will Allen jumping in front
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  of that pass right there at the end, right at the goal line,
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  And there's as much relief as anything when when that happens. And yeah,
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  that one I think is going to I think when you look back, everybody
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  remembers the two thousand and six game is the game of the century. But
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  this is the game that led to them playing for the national championship and winning
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  the national championship. And I still think that the people today who get upset
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  at the way Ohio State wins must have never experienced the two thousand and two
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  season. They must have never been nowhere near anywhere around when that season was
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  going on, because that was a season unlike any other that the only time
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  you could take joy in it was basically after the game, once you're done
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  catching your breath. Just I remember how angry everyone was after every single one
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  of the wins, and it was like it just went seven and five two
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  years in a row, and it was six and six the year before that,
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  and you're whatever end oh after each week, and everyone is just so
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  angry because they just kept playing down to the level of whoever they were playing.
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  And I mean, you want to talk about games that are remembered finally
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  now that were absolute trash heaps, boy, that perdue game before the fourth
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  and one throw to Michael Jenkins. That was a six three ball game with
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  two minutes left in the game in Ohio State was not winning like oh boy,
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  that would that would not go over well in the era of Twitter dot
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  com. Last one I had that is probably maybe ahead of the Notre Dame
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  game to me, at least given everything that was on the line. The
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  ninety seven Rows Bowl that was another one. I mean, this is when
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  we talked about on that postgame show where, boy, that was not a
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  classic until about five minutes left because it was fourteen ten Ohio State with about
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  five four minutes left in that game, and then Jake Plumber leads Arizona State
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  down for the go ahead touchdown, and then Joe Jermaine leads Ohio State backdown
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  for the game winning touchdown. That was not I don't remember how many seconds
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  there were on the clock when David Boston scored that touchdown. It was less
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  than twenty I think but I don't think it was one. So yeah,
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  it was. That was a That was a game where if Arizona State,
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  if Joe Jermaine does not lead that drive, Arizona State is the national champion
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  of the nineteen ninety six college football season because Florida State was unbeaten and Florida
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  just had a rematch with them in the Sugar Bowl and just annihilated them.
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  They played it. It was fifty two to twenty, you know, but
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  walking out of the Rose Bowl, there was a case, there was a
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  strong case that if Florida beat Florida State but it was close, that Ohio
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  State could have won the national championship themselves. That is something that you know,
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  I was on a plane back from the Rose Bowl and the pilot was
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  on there announcing the scorers, and people were cheering as Florida was taking an
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  early lead. And then the cheers got a little less loud as Florida's league
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  got bigger and bigger and bigger, and everyone kind of went, oh,
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  okay, so Florida's going to win the national championship. I think we have
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  State finished with one and a half votes in the AP poll or something like
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  that. That year but yeah, that was a that was one where there
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  was so much on the line. It was such a dramatic finish that just
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  because of what was on the line, that probably finishes ahead of Notre Dame.
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  But again, this is that's one of the great wins of all time
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  in Ohio state football history. So you know that finishing ahead of last weekend's
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  game does not does not diminish the shine of the win over Notre Dame at
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  all. A couple others I had in here, Tony, and you know,
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  I'll work myself backwards here. We talked about the rose Ball already against
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  Utah twenty seventeen, Penn State. That's one that probably diminishes a little bit
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  based on what happened the next week. But man, that was that was
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  an incredible comeback and an incredible atmosphere twenty eleven Wisconsin, just in terms of
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  the last minute dramatics, Hey got on Bowl eligible, Tony, and that's
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  that's all that matters. Uh. Two thousand and five Michigan again not a
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  not a national championship team, but was a you know, that was a
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  dramatic last minute win for the Buckeyes up in Ann Arbor and the last one,
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  and you know I have you know how I love to end on the
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  high note. Tony nineteen ninety seven, Michigan. I mean that was a
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  game that was I don't remember how that game ended. I assume Michigan ran
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  out the clock. I don't remember a dramatic last second Ohio State drive on
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  that one, and I was trying to look it up and couldn't find it
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  on Michigan's website as we were talking earlier. But you know, that was
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  one where both teams were top I think four going into that game and Michigan
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  jumps out to a twenty nothing lead and Ohio State comes back and cuts it
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  to twenty to fourteen, and you know, it was it was and Michigan.
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  Everyone remembers that as an incredible Michigan team, that Michigan. I think
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  Michigan ran for forty two yards or something like that in that game. That
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  was. That was a game Royal State was very much in it and just
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  couldn't quite finish the drill. But there was you know, that was one
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  where there was a lot on the line, and you know, it was
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  not not one that ended the way Ohio State fans would have wanted but that
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  was also a pretty pretty dramatic game over you know, that one of the
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  one of the better ones and more dramatic ones that I've been to over the
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  years. Yeah, twenty to fourteen, looking at it right now, that
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  one was I always have this memory of people destroying Stanley Jackson for this game,
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  but I always have the memory of he's the one that kept him in
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  it with his running. But I also believe we threw two interceptions in that
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  one. And in terms of the last drive, Ohio State went three and
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  out with one thirty five to go and started off with the first down sack
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  like that. That was one of the reasons. Not that reason, but
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  like in the Rose Bowl, that come back, that drive down the field
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  is something that we didn't see Ohio State do. We didn't see him do
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  it. Bobby Hoying didn't do it ninety five to to beat Michigan, you
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  know, through an interception there. We obviously didn't see it. Two years
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  later when Joe Germaine is trying to drive down the field and complete the drive
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  against Michigan State. It was just something that we we're not accustomed to seeing,
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  and you see before and after still not necessarily accustomed to seeing it and
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  for that to happen. And one, when you win the Rose Bowl,
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  two you do it in a way that just hasn't happened in a while.
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  That one, that one is still a very That season is still seen as
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  very special. That's a successful season in Ohio State. Lower more successful than
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  the twenty twenty one season by far, for whatever reason. I will also
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  I'll throw in the twenty seventeen Penn State game at that went at home,
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  then the twenty eighteen at Penn State rather with that kind of come back to
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  throw Twayne Haskins to Ben Victor and that come back there was crazy. And
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  then I'll just one of the surreal games Tom that we watched twenty eighteen at
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  Maryland. When you down they're waiting for this, this could act. This
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  two point conversion is going to decide whether Ohio State wins or loses against Maryland.
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  Yeah, you know what, the twenty eighteen Penn State game is a
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  great shout because that was a game. That's a game that just kind of
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  gets completely forgotten because that was an Ohio State team that you know, you
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  say twenty eighteen and people either say perdue or Michigan. Those are the two
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  games you remember from that season. But man, that Penn State game that
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  was they were down what nine something like that in a fourth quarter. And
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  we've told the story many times on this on various shows over the years of
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  being in the tunnel and just hearing cheers and going what's happening and Ben Victor
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  all of a sudden popping out in the end zone in front of us and
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  say, oh hey, look Ben Victor. And then kJ Hill of course
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  with the game winner on that one. And yeah, the Maryland game that
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  was, Yeah, classic probably isn't the right word on that one, but
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  yeah, I mean it was. It was. Yeah, triple overtime,
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  double overtime. Dwayne Haskins had three rushing touchdowns in that one, fifty two
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  fifty one. And yeah, the that two point conversion attempt happened right in
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  front of me, and there was there was a time I was I was
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  shooting photos and as the ball was released, I thought, oh my goodness,
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  they are about to lose this game. And it just led the lad
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  the receiver a little too much, But it was it was, yeah,
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  a little a little too close for comfort, but not definitely not as much
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  on the line there as there was uh in in South Bend last weekend.
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  So yeah, so this is I guess the big takeaway on this show is
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  if we're putting this game, last week's game, in the context of some
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  of the other games we've talked about here, that's a pretty consequential game in
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  the history of Ohio State football. And unlike many of the ones that we
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  talked about, especially once I talked about because Tony tries to Tony tries to
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  balance out my balance out, my balance of the of the game the games,
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  Yeah, unlike unlike many of those, Buckeyes won. So the buck
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  Eyes remaining undefeated and good news they get to play Maryland again. However,
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  actually, well good news they get to play Maryland at home next weekend,
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  not in College Park, so that we'll probably help them as they head into
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  next weekend against the Terps. So we'll be there for that one. We'll
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  have full coverage all week leading up to that. We'll be talking to Bryan
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  Day on Tuesday, some of the Buckeye players on Wednesday, back into our
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  usual game week routine as we head into the Maryland game. So make sure
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