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TikTok Tarot, Ouija Boards & Psychic Truths - Unraveling Superstitions and Spirits · All About The Joy

• 0:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi everyone.
• 0:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Welcome to All About the Joy.
• 0:08
  Carmen Lezeth: The private lounge In the house is Cynthia Lopez and Rick Costa.
• 0:13
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, cynthia Lopez Ruiz.
• 0:18
  Carmen Lezeth: It's okay, it's okay, I know, and Rick Costa's in the house, how are you guys doing Doing good?
• 0:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, and Rick Costa's in the house, how are you guys doing Doing good, doing good.
• 0:27
  Carmen Lezeth: So we just want to give a shout out to Mario and Alma.
• 0:31
  Carmen Lezeth: We miss them.
• 0:32
  Carmen Lezeth: We look forward to having them back when they're able to return, but they are still part of the neighborhood, so I know people have missed them, so I just want to throw that out there.
• 0:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, so I wanted to talk a little bit today just about a glitch in the matrix, and I know this is kind of weird, but I know you guys are on TikTok and for those of you who are not on TikTok, it doesn't matter, I'm sure you've seen this.
• 0:55
  Carmen Lezeth: The other night I haven't been feeling well, so I've been kind of up at different hours or whatever, and I did the doom scroll, right, the TikTok doom scroll and I came across this TikToker and he was like stop, stop, stop, don't, don't, don't, keep scrolling.
• 1:11
  Carmen Lezeth: If this video found you, then it was meant to be, and he goes down this whole thing.
• 1:16
  Carmen Lezeth: He's like this is what's going to happen, and I can feel it because of the runes and the this and the tarot and the whatever I was in it.
• 1:24
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Let me tell you I was like yes, oh my God, yes, I was like she was definitely tired.
• 1:33
  Carmen Lezeth: But he went on for like the whole 10 minutes reading cards and I don't even know what runes are, but I learned those stones or whatever.
• 1:40
  Carmen Lezeth: And he's going on and on and I was like you know what?
• 1:44
  Carmen Lezeth: This is why I was sick.
• 1:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I needed to see.
• 1:46
  Carmen Lezeth: This is the message the universe sends me, a message, so I go to scroll to the next one, and it's yet another person.
• 1:58
  Rick Costa: The algorithm she likes to Right.
• 2:01
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: We're going to throw a wall at her.
• 2:04
  Carmen Lezeth: But she was talking about astrology.
• 2:06
  Carmen Lezeth: She's like are you a Capricorn?
• 2:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like I'm a Capricorn.
• 2:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me tell you, it took me about another 60 seconds to realize like the algorithm is so messing with me how much of that night curl did you take?
• 2:26
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: The algorithm is so messing with me.
• 2:27
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: How much?
• 2:28
  Carmen Lezeth: of that night, curl did you take.
• 2:30
  Carmen Lezeth: But it got me thinking about all of these different things, superstitions and astrology and I just wanted to know how you guys felt about it.
• 2:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you guys believe in certain things?
• 2:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you have any feelings about it?
• 2:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you guys believe in certain things?
• 2:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you have any feelings about it?
• 2:48
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: and, rick, especially with you regarding religion, how it might intertwine or not or whatever so with me, like I think we had this conversation before carmen with um astrology, like your capricorn on pisces and like all the characteristics and things like that, and I I'm so for astrology, like I, I used to read it almost every day.
• 3:11
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I don't anymore, but, um, every now and then I'll read it and I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like that's happened already this week.
• 3:18
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Oh, this is what I have, so do you mean a horoscope, you mean?
• 3:22
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: theoscope.
• 3:22
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and stuff like that and comparing people's characteristics with how they really are, and things like that.
• 3:32
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Sometimes I do believe in it.
• 3:34
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I've kind of been iffy with it lately, really, yeah, but before I was so into it every day reading my horse.
• 3:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, when I was like 13 I used to be like, oh my god, I know he loves me.
• 3:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Then I'd be like we totally match.
• 3:58
  Carmen Lezeth: It wouldn't even matter like which one I look at I don't even know astrology, right but I would be like, oh my god, he totally loves me.
• 4:06
  Carmen Lezeth: It was so weird.
• 4:09
  Rick Costa: But go ahead yeah, as far as astrology, that was, uh, pre-christianity jesus stuff for me.
• 4:17
  Rick Costa: I was so into that stuff anything oh my gosh, because of the abuse and everything I was going through with mostly dad, I just felt like I needed some answers, some power, some way for some kind of control in my life, like something, because I'm going nuts and I was all into that.
• 4:38
  Rick Costa: And oh my gosh, esp, psychic astrology, all that occult stuff, peace, psychic astrology, all that occult stuff.
• 4:47
  Rick Costa: I was like and in my mind I'm like god's cool with this god's, because my mother did raise me, like you know, to believe in god, very catholic ouija board.
• 4:52
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I had a ouija board, believe it or not that's one thing I will never mess with the we messing with the spirits I was crazy when I was.
• 5:02
  Rick Costa: I was a kid.
• 5:03
  Rick Costa: I was so crazy.
• 5:04
  Rick Costa: I brought it to school, trying to get people to do it with me, and they were like I ain't messing with that.
• 5:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't believe in it, but I ain't messing with it.
• 5:13
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I ain't crazy.
• 5:15
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't want to tempt it?
• 5:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I ain't tempted that shit.
• 5:19
  Rick Costa: I was into all that stuff, but now it's like there's a traumatic story.
• 5:23
  Rick Costa: But anyway, I look at horoscopes today and I'm like y'all, I was into all that stuff, but now it's like I mean, there's a traumatic story.
• 5:28
  Rick Costa: But anyway, I look at horoscopes today and I'm like y'all, this is so generic, you can literally take any of them and apply them to you, but some of them get all excited.
• 5:37
  Rick Costa: My horoscope said be careful around water and I almost slipped in the bathtub today.
• 5:42
  Rick Costa: Oh my God, that was so accurate.
• 5:44
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Come on, come on, come on Stop, you might slip because you don't have a mat in your bathtub.
• 5:51
  Rick Costa: Or you don't clean that nasty thing.
• 5:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I just want everyone who's listening to the podcast who are into astrology.
• 5:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You can send all of your emails and complaints to Rick Costa and Cynthia Ruiz Lopez.
• 6:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Do not send it to me.
• 6:10
  Carmen Lezeth: You know who else is a big astrology person.
• 6:11
  Carmen Lezeth: You guys would be so surprised.
• 6:15
  Rick Costa: Andrea, andrea Really.
• 6:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, Because she's like teetering on atheism.
• 6:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I think she's more agnostic, and not to keep talking about her, but her birthday is coming up, so we'll give a shout out to her on her birthday.
• 6:26
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, I always found it fascinating, but it's what you're talking about.
• 6:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick is like we always want to be able to try to explain things.
• 6:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I will say I've never believed, even when I was a teenager and doing the whole Louvre thing and craziness thing and craziness.
• 6:48
  Carmen Lezeth: The problem with astrology for me is more of a weird scientific thing in that in order to really understand the stars and what they may mean, you have to understand where all the stars in the universe are.
• 6:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And we don't right, we only know the ones that are in our orbit, in our whatever.
• 7:03
  Carmen Lezeth: So I always thought that was logically.
• 7:06
  Carmen Lezeth: It didn't make any sense that that's what it could mean.
• 7:09
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know that's probably getting too into the weeds.
• 7:13
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So I was.
• 7:15
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I've always been a skeptic when it comes to psychics and I went to a psychic once and it was with my friend at the time and me and Juan had just started dating.
• 7:24
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I didn't say anything to this woman about Juan, about anything, and she automatically knew I was going to be dating this guy.
• 7:35
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I'm dating this guy.
• 7:36
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: He does have children, but he's going to be the one that I'm going to be with for the rest of my life.
• 7:45
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: And yeah which I thought was very weird, but that was the only time I ever saw a psychic.
• 7:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I've gone in and seen psychics too, and when I left I was like, oh my God, how did they know?
• 7:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'll say this because you know I write in journals all the time, right?
• 8:00
  Carmen Lezeth: So the reason why I get rid of my journals is so many reasons.
• 8:04
  Carmen Lezeth: So every year on my birthday I get rid of all the journals I've written all year and people always like why you have such material.
• 8:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like because I know what's in there.
• 8:12
  Carmen Lezeth: And one of the things I remember specifically is I went to the psychic and you pay your $50 or whatever it is, and you sit down, they do the whole reading with your hand and whatever, and they do the tarot cards and the whole thing and they have the whole look, the whole look with the beads and the whatever.
• 8:30
  Carmen Lezeth: And she was so on point.
• 8:33
  Carmen Lezeth: And then she was like and you're going to have three kids and he loves you and you're going to be very wealthy.
• 8:39
  Carmen Lezeth: And she just went and I was like I believe all of this, she had all this stuff beforehand, right?
• 8:46
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 8:47
  Carmen Lezeth: And of course, none of that happened.
• 8:49
  Carmen Lezeth: By the way, I don't have children and I'm not extremely wealthy, nor did I marry someone wealthy Complete opposite, actually.
• 8:56
  Carmen Lezeth: But I think they get us and I'm not saying all of them are scams, but I'm going to say that they do get us because some of this stuff is still generalized.
• 9:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, most women your age when you went in that day are probably dating somebody or want to talk and then, like you, do a face like this, like you know, you know you make a thing or whatever.
• 9:21
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm not saying all of them.
• 9:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I do believe there are people out there who have that sixth sense, though I'm not going to mess with that.
• 9:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I do think there are people out there.
• 9:29
  Carmen Lezeth: But what I believe, too, is that they're not making money off of it, probably.
• 9:33
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Yeah, I used to actually work with someone who was kind of like a medium and I never asked her to do any type of reading or anything.
• 9:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what a medium is, as opposed to a psychic.
• 9:46
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: They can speak to the other side.
• 9:47
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Oh, my God, they see dead people.
• 9:50
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Okay, they see them or they hear messages from them.
• 9:58
  Carmen Lezeth: This is like.
• 9:58
  Rick Costa: Whoopi Goldberg in the movie Ghost.
• 10:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Understood.
• 10:11
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So I never asked her to do any type of reading.
• 10:13
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: She said to me she's like I can do a reading for you and I said no, no, and she's like, but you don't want to know about your mom.
• 10:18
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: And she came out and said that and I said no, I said I don't.
• 10:21
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I said thank you, but I don't want to know anything like.
• 10:24
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I don't leave it as is, you know so yeah, that's freaky.
• 10:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, rick no, I.
• 10:33
  Rick Costa: What was funny about the Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost was originally she was fake, like she did that for a living and she was totally fake.
• 10:41
  Rick Costa: But then, you know, a real one showed up and she kicked in.
• 10:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I guess we miss him oh he's a great dancer, not to go off on a tangent, but every time I think of ghost or any, I just I loved patrick swayze.
• 10:57
  Carmen Lezeth: He was amazing.
• 10:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Did I say patrick stewart?
• 10:59
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I said patrick, you were about to, I was about to, right.
• 11:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to hear what Rick had to say about suspicion and religion.
• 11:07
  Carmen Lezeth: If you don't mind touching on it Like kind of, you know the things we do, knock on wood and you know, throw salt on your whatever, whatever, that thing is Over the left shoulder.
• 11:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Look at him like and crack your mother's back.
• 11:32
  Rick Costa: It's all superstition.
• 11:32
  Rick Costa: I think I don't put any stock in any of that stuff.
• 11:33
  Rick Costa: To be honest with you, and where my parents come from, boy they yeah, they had a lot of that stuff like.
• 11:36
  Rick Costa: One thing was, if you're pregnant, if the woman's face this, this sounds so stupid becomes ugly, it's a girl, because the girl is taking the beauty from the mother.
• 11:50
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I've heard that so many times.
• 11:52
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: What Wow.
• 11:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Wow, that's so wrong.
• 11:57
  Carmen Lezeth: And then what would happen when the kid came out ugly anyways?
• 12:01
  Rick Costa: Yeah.
• 12:04
  Carmen Lezeth: She wasn't that pretty.
• 12:06
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: You blame it on the dad.
• 12:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I wonder how some of these things begin, right, they're so weird.
• 12:13
  Carmen Lezeth: So I will share with you something that I thought was fascinating regarding the idea of deja vu or things that are predictive, right?
• 12:22
  Carmen Lezeth: So deja vu in the science community and I didn't read up on all of this because there was so much they, of course, don't believe in it.
• 12:32
  Carmen Lezeth: They think some of it is just sometimes the electrical parts of our brain are misfiring, or it could have something to do with dream sleeping Like we dream about things we don't know where they come from, but then we experience something similar in life.
• 12:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I thought that was fascinating, but one of the real-life kind of eerie coincidences, because that's another one, right, do we believe in coincidences?
• 12:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And I wanted to come up with something contemporary.
• 12:59
  Carmen Lezeth: So, do you guys know the show the Simpsons?
• 13:01
  Carmen Lezeth: It was the animated series.
• 13:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, it's still on.
• 13:05
  Rick Costa: I'm not trying to pretend everybody is it like the longest running show ever?
• 13:11
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: 30 something years now, but what again?
• 13:13
  Carmen Lezeth: it was a pleasure to have your dumb asses on the show.
• 13:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Why are you messing with me?
• 13:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if everyone you know what's so funny.
• 13:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't watch.
• 13:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Watch the Simpsons.
• 13:23
  Rick Costa: I don't either, but we know about it.
• 13:25
  Rick Costa: We have a lovely conversation.
• 13:29
  Rick Costa: All these predictions of who's going to be the president, and this, that and the other Well, let me tell you.
• 13:35
  Carmen Lezeth: So this is the thing about the Simpsons.
• 13:36
  Carmen Lezeth: That's kind of weird.
• 13:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Is it coincidence or is it something else?
• 13:40
  Carmen Lezeth: They predicted well, they didn't predict.
• 13:42
  Carmen Lezeth: But in a 2000 episode they predicted.
• 13:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, they didn't predict.
• 13:48
  Carmen Lezeth: But in a 2000 episode, uh, the simpsons joked about trump becoming president, and 16 years later it happened.
• 13:51
  Carmen Lezeth: So ricky knew that one.
• 13:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Smart watches in 1995, the show featured a wristwatch that could make phone calls, years before smart watches became a reality.
• 14:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't know that.
• 14:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Disney buying fox in.
• 14:04
  Carmen Lezeth: In 1998, the Simpsons showed a sign that said 20th Century Fox, a division of Walt Disney Co.
• 14:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Which actually happened in 2017.
• 14:14
  Carmen Lezeth: And another one the Higgs boson equation.
• 14:17
  Carmen Lezeth: In 1998, Homer wrote an equation on a chalkboard that turned out to be shockingly close to the actual Higgs-Boson particle discovery in 2012.
• 14:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I probably should have looked up what that Higgs-Boson thingy is, because it sounds important, but I don't know what it is.
• 14:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, and then I was looking at Reddit.
• 14:39
  Carmen Lezeth: In 2013, a Reddit user posted a joke prediction that the Chicago Cubs would win the World Series in 2016, even though they hadn't won in 108 years.
• 14:50
  Carmen Lezeth: And three years later the Cubs actually did win.
• 14:53
  Carmen Lezeth: So you know, are those things coincidences?
• 14:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you believe in coincidences or is there something else going on there?
• 15:00
  Carmen Lezeth: It could be coincidences.
• 15:03
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: It could be coincidence.
• 15:05
  Rick Costa: It could be, educated guesses.
• 15:07
  Rick Costa: I remember reading a comic this character came from the future and then they were showing her memories.
• 15:15
  Rick Costa: In her memories she sees and now this is way before 9-11, they show her seeing her past and they're showing the Twin Towers on fire Yo, that's great, but is that coincidence or is there something to it?
• 15:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, who knows I mean.
• 15:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, do you personally believe in coincidences, Cynthia?
• 15:42
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I think everything happens for a reason.
• 15:45
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Yeah, I don't think something just happened, just because I think there is a reason.
• 15:50
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Something happened Now.
• 15:52
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: It's like they always say that butterfly effect you know, if you go in the past and you change one little thing, the whole future has now altered.
• 16:00
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So I think it's kind of something like that.
• 16:03
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: You know where, if it's meant to happen, it's going to happen regardless.
• 16:08
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I don't think it's just a coincidence.
• 16:10
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: It's meant to be, it's meant to happen.
• 16:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, but wait.
• 16:13
  Carmen Lezeth: But now we're touching on fate, I mean so wait a minute.
• 16:18
  Carmen Lezeth: So I just got totally confused.
• 16:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I was totally with you until you said if it's meant to happen, it's meant to happen.
• 16:22
  Carmen Lezeth: So are you saying that it's predestined, or yeah I think so so okay, this is interesting.
• 16:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick, do you believe the same thing, that things are like things happen for a reason, so it's kind of predestined, like there's no such thing as coincidences?
• 16:46
  Rick Costa: I think life is very random, very, very random.
• 16:48
  Rick Costa: I don't think there's.
• 16:50
  Rick Costa: So, speaking from the christian side of things, a lot of them believe god's in control of everything and I'm like absolutely, not, absolutely, I do not believe that.
• 16:58
  Rick Costa: 100 do not believe that.
• 16:59
  Rick Costa: So like god's responsible for planes falling out of the sky, god's responsible for people getting killed in cars Like that's stupid.
• 17:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, no.
• 17:09
  Rick Costa: And there's a verse that says it rains on the just and the unjust.
• 17:11
  Rick Costa: It's just random.
• 17:13
  Rick Costa: It doesn't matter how good you are, how bad you are.
• 17:14
  Rick Costa: I just did a broadcast.
• 17:16
  Rick Costa: Why do bad things happen to good people, bad things happen to bad people, good things happen to bad people?
• 17:20
  Rick Costa: Like it's just all random.
• 17:28
  Rick Costa: Now, I do believe that god can use a circumstance, try to like push you towards a certain way, but I don't think he's like controlling everything.
• 17:33
  Rick Costa: I don't believe that at all.
• 17:33
  Rick Costa: But coincidences can happen like oh, that's the way.
• 17:38
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: The way I see it is like I think that obviously god knows what our lives are going to be, but it's our decisions on how we're going to get there.
• 17:50
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: You know what I mean?
• 17:52
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Like I don't think it's a coincidence because we are.
• 17:56
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: He already knows what's going to happen to us, but we have different directions on which way to go, so we're the ones making those decisions.
• 18:05
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So, like I said, I don't think it's a coincidence.
• 18:08
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I just think if it's meant to happen, it's going to happen.
• 18:11
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: It's just the way that we choose it to happen.
• 18:14
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: That make sense.
• 18:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I just completely disagree.
• 18:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Obviously, when I'm being quiet, it's because I'm trying to let you speak.
• 18:23
  Carmen Lezeth: When I'm being quiet, it's because I'm trying to let you speak.
• 18:28
  Rick Costa: The only thing I do believe 100% is that we all have free will.
• 18:30
  Rick Costa: 100% you can do whatever you want.
• 18:32
  Rick Costa: You know it doesn't matter.
• 18:34
  Rick Costa: If God wants you to do whatever, you can still say no.
• 18:38
  Carmen Lezeth: But then that kind of goes against the idea of it being predestined.
• 18:41
  Carmen Lezeth: That, like Cynthia, the way in which I was interpreting that you were saying is, like, no matter what, god already has a plan for you and so you're going to get to that goal.
• 18:51
  Carmen Lezeth: But then Rick just said but you can choose to do whatever you want, so maybe you don't get to that goal, right, like you can't have it both ways.
• 19:00
  Carmen Lezeth: You can't have free will and yet also have a predestined determination, right.
• 19:06
  Carmen Lezeth: So I don't believe in coincidences at all either, but not because of the reasons that you guys are talking about, I believe, because I'm not trying to make this a battle of religions, all right, because we all know that I'm kind of more atheist or agnostic nowadays, but I've always been not very religious anyways.
• 19:23
  Carmen Lezeth: The reason why I don't believe in coincidences is because I actually believe that there are patterns in all of the chaos, even if we don't understand the patterns.
• 19:32
  Carmen Lezeth: The chaos, like it's kind of like what you were talking about, the butterfly effect, and I'm not sure that's the correct interpretation, because I don't know how to explain it either as a scientist, but that's my simple way of understanding it as well too.
• 19:44
  Carmen Lezeth: If a butterfly flaps his wings.
• 19:47
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, in Hawaii it rains or whatever.
• 19:50
  Carmen Lezeth: There's a windstorm in Florida or something you know, kind of logical thing.
• 20:01
  Carmen Lezeth: And for me that's what I believe.
• 20:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I believe there are so many different equations and choices we can make every single day and all of those choices have consequences and those consequences affect other people and other people make choices and then, you know, it goes down and down and down.
• 20:18
  Carmen Lezeth: But I think about something really simple, the simplest of things, and not to get all you know personal or whatever.
• 20:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah right, but you know like I think about, had my mother lived, even if she had lived another year, how dramatically that might have changed my life.
• 20:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Or if she had died the first time that they thought she was going to pass away, and I was much younger, those small, tiny details just change your entire life.
• 20:56
  Carmen Lezeth: What if I decided after college not to come to California, instead went back to Boston?
• 21:02
  Carmen Lezeth: All of those are choices that change the trajectory of who I became and who I am today, but those were all within my ability.
• 21:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean not my mom dying or whatever, but I'm just saying, like you know what I mean when he sees those twists and turns.
• 21:19
  Carmen Lezeth: So I don't think we were created in a way to have a predestined outcome and I've talked to Rick about this and we agree to disagree but I think of God, or whatever entity you believe in, as more of an architect.
• 21:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Like when you see a house or a building, you know that an architect built it, but the architect isn't there.
• 21:43
  Carmen Lezeth: The architect isn't sitting there waiting for you to call on him to come fix this faucet or whatever.
• 21:48
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 21:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Or redesign something, but you know that something built to this building, but he's no longer there, he's gone, and so the building exists, doing what the building is going to do, and that's kind of I know it's kind of really simple, weird way to think about it, but that's how I think of God.
• 22:04
  Carmen Lezeth: And so whatever happens to that building, to the people in that building, anybody living in that building, whatever, has nothing to do with the architect anymore.
• 22:17
  Carmen Lezeth: The artist created the art and walked away, and now it's upon us to deal with it and handle it and enjoy it, and you know what I mean.
• 22:21
  Carmen Lezeth: So, but I think the magnificence of it is when you look at and for me it's about the science, and I don't even understand it that well, but I love learning about it.
• 22:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Kind of the idea of chaos theory, which is that idea that there were all these patterns, even if we don't understand it.
• 22:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Does that make sense?
• 22:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I always think about it.
• 22:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Like when I walk into somebody's room and it's completely messy and dirty and they have stuff thrown all over the place and it just looks so chaotic, right, we all freak out.
• 22:50
  Carmen Lezeth: The truth is, once you start cleaning up that room, you can see oh, she went to a party that day.
• 22:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, this is when she was playing with.
• 23:00
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Whatever you know what I mean.
• 23:01
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: There's a story behind each thing.
• 23:02
  Carmen Lezeth: There's a story and you can start to see the patterns in the room of the chaos, and that's kind of how I see what our lives are like.
• 23:11
  Rick Costa: The whole messy room thing.
• 23:12
  Rick Costa: Let's say you have two different people and one is everything's clean, organized and in its place, but you've got the other one.
• 23:18
  Rick Costa: Everything seems to be all over the place.
• 23:20
  Rick Costa: But it's so interesting that the person that has everything all over the place, they know exactly where everything is.
• 23:24
  Rick Costa: They never lose it.
• 23:25
  Rick Costa: They know exactly where everything is.
• 23:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's a facade, but okay, go ahead.
• 23:29
  Carmen Lezeth: That's like a grandmama's tale that everyone believes.
• 23:33
  Carmen Lezeth: But go ahead, I'll let you finish?
• 23:34
  Rick Costa: no, because I'm like that.
• 23:35
  Rick Costa: I mean, I'm not super messy, but I, it might seem, to somebody else.
• 23:40
  Rick Costa: Oh lord, have mercy, how do you find anything?
• 23:41
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I know exactly where everything is wait, are you more of it's messy or is it just because you have a lot of stuff and you know where everything is?
• 23:50
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Because there's two different things.
• 23:52
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I mean, being messy is just like everything thrown everywhere, you really don't know where everything is, and another one is just having a lot of stuff.
• 24:00
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: It may look messy, but it's really not.
• 24:02
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: It's just a little cluttered and you know where everything is.
• 24:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Since you're talking, about the difference between a hoarder.
• 24:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I got you, I got you, I got you.
• 24:15
  Rick Costa: Yeah, borderline hoarder.
• 24:17
  Rick Costa: I almost said border Hoarder.
• 24:18
  Rick Costa: You're not a hoarder, no but I have a lot of stuff.
• 24:22
  Rick Costa: I have a lot of stuff and I know where it all is.
• 24:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, and I'm the complete opposite.
• 24:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I am extremely yeah, I should have let you finish.
• 24:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Minimalist I am extremely yeah, I should have let you finish.
• 24:30
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Minimalist.
• 24:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I was trying to see what you were going to say about organized people.
• 24:33
  Carmen Lezeth: What were you going to say, rick, let's rewind, go ahead.
• 24:35
  Carmen Lezeth: What were you saying?
• 24:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Maybe I should kick you off.
• 24:37
  Carmen Lezeth: You're about to disorganize people.
• 24:41
  Rick Costa: No, it's just funny that people that I've been to their house and they're you know everything's so pristine and immaculate but all the time, like Lord, I don't know where I put my keys.
• 24:49
  Rick Costa: Lord, I don't know where I put this.
• 24:50
  Rick Costa: Lord, I don't know where I put that.
• 24:51
  Rick Costa: I'm like how You're so organized in my mind.
• 25:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, yeah, I'm extremely to a T, very organized.
• 25:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't I think we've talked about this before I can't function in chaos.
• 25:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't like chaos.
• 25:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't mind chaos if I understand it, If I understand what's happening or whatever, I'm okay with it.
• 25:10
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, I don't like anything that's out of order and I don't think I make my guests feel uncomfortable.
• 25:15
  Carmen Lezeth: But I've been told that I don't know.
• 25:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not saying Cynthia, but you know people feel like they have to be neat around me because my house is.
• 25:22
  Carmen Lezeth: So I don't know, did you feel uncomfortable when you came to my house?
• 25:27
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: No, no, because I'm kind of the same way.
• 25:33
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I like things in a certain area, like Juan, and the kids always make fun of me.
• 25:35
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Because when the kids look at us they would always try to move some of my stuff to see if I would notice.
• 25:40
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: And I would walk into the house and I'm like, why is that there?
• 25:43
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Why is that there?
• 25:43
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: And they make fun of me all the time, so I get it.
• 25:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I think those are all just stylistic things too.
• 25:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, rick, in a lot of ways I agree with you.
• 25:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I think some people are extremely messy and know where everything is Like, especially when I'm working in offices.
• 25:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, like in one of the offices I used to work in, I was like okay, I'm no longer coming into this office, I'm working in the conference room because I can't.
• 26:06
  Carmen Lezeth: But if I tried to move anything on her desk she would freak out because she couldn't find anything.
• 26:12
  Carmen Lezeth: But it was like just everything was thrown.
• 26:14
  Carmen Lezeth: That's how it looked.
• 26:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Thrown, you know, you couldn't find a stapler, you couldn't find the, you couldn't find anything.
• 26:19
  Carmen Lezeth: But she would move like three piles and be like here it is.
• 26:22
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean Like, but I, but I can't function that way at all.
• 26:29
  Rick Costa: I'm one that I like everything in its place.
• 26:32
  Rick Costa: This is where this goes, and this is where it goes forever.
• 26:36
  Carmen Lezeth: So you just have a lot of stuff, yeah you're organized.
• 26:40
  Rick Costa: But now the crazy part is, I live with somebody who, unfortunately, has dementia, so it's complete opposite.
• 26:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, but that's different, I know.
• 26:51
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: And.
• 26:51
  Rick Costa: I have to be calm and just roll with it.
• 26:53
  Rick Costa: But the inside of me goes.
• 26:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so you're worse than I am because I don't get all that befuddled over somebody.
• 27:00
  Rick Costa: I just squash it down.
• 27:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Like when I used to have my goddaughter over because she was little.
• 27:06
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, and kids are going to be kids, they're going to do what they're going to do, and I'd be like, oh my god, stop.
• 27:17
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, like I'd be like she's four carmen, let her be, she's just playing.
• 27:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I have to bite my tongue, though, because I'm like, okay, it's not a big deal, she's just playing and the paints are everywhere, yeah, and I I know it's different for you, you, but I'm saying it's not like purposely at all.
• 27:32
  Rick Costa: No, no, no, Not even stylistically that is just-.
• 27:35
  Rick Costa: It's not about on purpose or blame, it's just that I still have to constantly deal with it, every single day.
• 27:42
  Carmen Lezeth: So you have to clean up after her.
• 27:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that what it is?
• 27:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God.
• 27:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, yeah, I'm going to go down a different oh wait, let's change the subject Sorry.
• 27:53
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: You see the smoke coming out of his ears.
• 27:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not like, oh no.
• 27:59
  Rick Costa: You've been on Deja Vu before.
• 28:01
  Rick Costa: We didn't really talk about that.
• 28:02
  Rick Costa: I definitely had that where I'm like I'll be sitting on my desk doing something and all of a sudden, wait a minute.
• 28:09
  Rick Costa: I feel like I've had this exact moment before.
• 28:12
  Rick Costa: And then I try to think and I'm oh yeah, I think hard.
• 28:16
  Rick Costa: I'm like, yeah, yeah, this, this is exactly the same thing that happened then.
• 28:19
  Rick Costa: But it's like, but it just the way.
• 28:20
  Rick Costa: It just hits you in a wave like whoa, what the hell?
• 28:23
  Carmen Lezeth: a little bit I disagree with the scientist a bit on this.
• 28:27
  Carmen Lezeth: You you know, and since I am Carmen Suarez, you know what I mean.
• 28:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Like Dr Lisette Suarez, now, I think there were real things that are unexplained at this moment in time.
• 28:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Maybe in the future somebody will explain them to me so that they actually feel true.
• 28:45
  Carmen Lezeth: And I think deja vu is a thing that we don't understand.
• 28:50
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think it's just my brain firing.
• 28:52
  Carmen Lezeth: There are some times when I'm like no, I'm doing this again.
• 28:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I've been here before and I know I've never, especially when I drove one time to Orange County, which is a part of LA, of California, and I drove down to somebody I'd never known and it was the first time I was meeting her and we had met online on a meetup board or whatever, and we were gonna meet for dinner.
• 29:13
  Carmen Lezeth: And when I pulled into the parking lot to a restaurant I'd never been to before, I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
• 29:19
  Carmen Lezeth: And I, when I saw her, I knew exactly who she was.
• 29:22
  Carmen Lezeth: This is before.
• 29:23
  Carmen Lezeth: We had webcams and whatever and all this stuff and I was like.
• 29:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like I think we've met before she.
• 29:28
  Carmen Lezeth: She was like what she's like?
• 29:30
  Carmen Lezeth: You're a weirdo.
• 29:33
  Carmen Lezeth: We became friends, but it's just one of those things like I will never forget that and I was like uh-uh, that happened somehow in some other way and I'm remembering it, but it didn't actually happen to me.
• 29:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Now I don't believe in past lives, so I don't want no one coming at me, I don't.
• 29:48
  Carmen Lezeth: But something in my past About parallel universes, I don't.
• 29:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, can I tell you guys a story about Richard?
• 29:57
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I don't know I cause we were talking you were talking about a little bit before about spirits.
• 30:02
  Carmen Lezeth: We're being funny, okay.
• 30:07
  Carmen Lezeth: When my friend Richard passed away in 2012, in April, we had two memorial funeral services for him, or whatever.
• 30:15
  Carmen Lezeth: One was in Oregon and one was in Vermont.
• 30:17
  Carmen Lezeth: When I had to fly to the one in Oregon, I was supposed to have a big medical thing happen and I was not feeling well and also I was depressed because my best friend died.
• 30:27
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 30:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Like it was just a miserable time.
• 30:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I just had a bad time at that first memorial.
• 30:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I hated everybody who was there.
• 30:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I hope none of them are listening, but they probably are.
• 30:36
  Carmen Lezeth: It was just.
• 30:36
  Carmen Lezeth: It was just one of those like things where I was like, oh my God, you're all lying.
• 30:40
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 30:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Like people were getting up and saying stuff.
• 30:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like, cause I knew what he would tell me.
• 30:45
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 30:46
  Carmen Lezeth: And then these people, you know like people get up and start crying, whatever.
• 30:49
  Carmen Lezeth: And they cheated you like shit when you were alive I'm going off on a tangent here, sorry.
• 30:53
  Carmen Lezeth: So I remember on the way back on the plane I was like please, god, please, please, please, let me have like just some peace and quiet.
• 31:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I wish I could have nobody sitting next to me, and you know that does not happen.
• 31:06
  Carmen Lezeth: You do not have people sitting next to you, you always do.
• 31:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like, please, just let me have leg room some.
• 31:12
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I just want to be whatever.
• 31:14
  Carmen Lezeth: When I got on the plane, the seat next to me was broken.
• 31:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Nobody could sit next to me.
• 31:21
  Carmen Lezeth: And I swear to you, I was like Richard, you did, I know you.
• 31:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, the whole time I was like this, I was feeling better.
• 31:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I knew that he did that.
• 31:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, the second memorial was like two weeks later or something, and so I had to go to Vermont.
• 31:39
  Carmen Lezeth: And when I went to Vermont, you know, same thing you had to meet with all these people, whatever and it was.
• 31:44
  Carmen Lezeth: You know how it is at funeral.
• 31:46
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why I'm not going to have no funeral, because it's all fake and blah, blah, blah, whatever.
• 31:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not going to have no funeral because I'll fake and blah, blah, blah, whatever.
• 31:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I come back, I hated being there.
• 31:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I come back and I get off the plane.
• 31:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I come home and I was like I need to get some food.
• 31:57
  Carmen Lezeth: So I was walking and I said you know, I'm gonna get some coffee.
• 32:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I was walking to Pete's coffee and I was walking across the street.
• 32:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I think I told you guys this story before.
• 32:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know, but I was walking across the street and all of a sudden, as I'm walking, the light changes and as I'm walking with a bunch of other people, a bird, a huge ass crow or something, hit me on the head and knocked me to the ground.
• 32:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Did I tell you guys that story?
• 32:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I think I said no, knocked me on the ground.
• 32:22
  Carmen Lezeth: People were like I mean, like somebody got out of their car.
• 32:25
  Carmen Lezeth: They were like are you okay?
• 32:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't know a bird that hit me, I didn't know.
• 32:29
  Carmen Lezeth: But I fell to the ground and all these people got me up and I was like no, I'm fine, I'm fine, what was it?
• 32:36
  Carmen Lezeth: They were like it was a crow hit you in the head and I was like fucking Richard, I hate her Motherfucker.
• 32:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Have you ever heard of that?
• 32:49
  Carmen Lezeth: No, never.
• 32:52
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm telling you and not that I'm, I'm not going to sit here and be like we had a conversation about a crow, but I'm telling you I knew, I knew and I got up and I was okay and I was laughing like I can't believe you did that.
• 33:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, all right, I know you're fine.
• 33:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I just knew in that moment he was fine.
• 33:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, that's my story, I'm sticking to it.
• 33:14
  Rick Costa: So I believe in him.
• 33:15
  Rick Costa: When my grandma died, so all my life she lived with us.
• 33:20
  Rick Costa: So I always knew my grandma.
• 33:21
  Rick Costa: She had very long hair, white kind of yellow, tinted a little bit hair, very long.
• 33:29
  Rick Costa: I usually kept it in a bun, whatever, whatever, until she went to bed.
• 33:32
  Rick Costa: So I've always known her looking like that, slightly overweight, a little bit plainer she's.
• 33:38
  Rick Costa: Oh.
• 33:38
  Rick Costa: So then I had a dream after she died and I saw her like in heaven, with jet, black, straight hair and very thin.
• 33:47
  Rick Costa: I said, mom, can you tell me what Vavó Vavó means?
• 33:51
  Rick Costa: Grandma in Portuguese looked like when she was young.
• 33:54
  Rick Costa: She's like what I said.
• 33:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, my God Wow.
• 34:00
  Rick Costa: Is that like God saying like I got you, she's here, don't worry about it.
• 34:03
  Rick Costa: She's in a dream, who knows?
• 34:08
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Hmm, hmm, hmm, first thing I hate crows.
• 34:18
  Rick Costa: You know, they're really smart, they are really intelligent I heard they're so smart that it's illegal to have one of the pet in a lot of states because people use train them to do like steal no, no, we have crows here and they like wait on the ledge, like I'm like, hey, good morning.
• 34:35
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I say hi to one of them because he's always like hi, oh yeah if you're ever like mean to one of them like they remember, and they will like stalk you.
• 34:43
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm nice to them because I'm like, since I was little, like you know, the grandparents always tell you don't look at a crow directly in the eye, because they take your soul or take your soul something like that, you know, like something that has to do with the dead, or something you know what I mean.
• 35:05
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Like so I just I don't like crows or anything like that.
• 35:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I thought you were going to tell us a story about you and crows.
• 35:14
  Carmen Lezeth: No, oh, no, no.
• 35:16
  Rick Costa: I remember hearing stories of people going to Africa and they were behind technologically put it that way and people were taking pictures Of course they're going to take pictures this tribe or whatever and when they realized what they were doing, they were like no, no, no, no, no.
• 35:31
  Rick Costa: They were freaking out like no, when you do that, you're stealing our soul, like they thought that you were stealing their soul that day, that's right that might just be because I'm not understanding technology, though, too.
• 35:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think like not to make this about birds now, but I think it's so funny.
• 35:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I think crows are so cool.
• 35:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I love them.
• 35:47
  Carmen Lezeth: That's so funny.
• 35:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I think crows are so cool, I love them.
• 35:50
  Carmen Lezeth: That's so interesting.
• 35:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, maybe you've seen too many horror films with bad crows.
• 35:55
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: That's the Hitchcock when you think of the birds?
• 35:57
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Yeah, that's what the birds yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:00
  Carmen Lezeth: But do you guys believe in spirits and ghosts and you know?
• 36:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Like that's kind of why I was talking about the Richard thing.
• 36:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Like you do absolutely absolutely like um, when, actually, when juan's aunt had passed away, he had went to dr for the service and she don't know what dr is.
• 36:23
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: It's dominican dominican republic, sorry, um, and I guess she was like kind of a prankster and stuff like that.
• 36:28
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So him and his cousin were up late one night watching tv.
• 36:31
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: They're about to go to bed, they turn off the tv, they walk out of the prankster and stuff like that.
• 36:34
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So him and his cousin were up late one night watching TV.
• 36:36
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: They're about to go to bed, they turn off the TV, they walk out of the living room and all of a sudden the TV turns back on and they're both like looking at each other Like we did turn off the TV, right, and they're like, oh, we know that's you, you know just messing with us and stuff like that, to kind of give them, you know, some peace or whatever yeah, I've never been visited though by, like my mom or anything.
• 36:58
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: You know, I've never had and I don't want that to happen, but I think it would freak me out, but that's never happened to me, I've never dreamt with my mom, but after she passed I only had one situation happen like so in my bedroom I had bunk beds, so I would sleep on the bottom bunk and after she had passed it was like a couple of days later I was sleeping.
• 37:20
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: But you know how like sometimes you're in that middle awake sleep state and I felt myself, my body, kind of come up off the bed, felt a hug and then go back down and at the same time as I'm going down, my eyes are starting to open and I see myself going back down.
• 37:40
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So is my mom giving me a hug.
• 37:42
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Okay, that's the only the only thing that's ever happened to me.
• 37:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't get that at all Watch tonight, and I'm going to freak the fuck out.
• 37:58
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I think it's going to be swinging.
• 38:03
  Carmen Lezeth: With my taser that Cynthia gave me.
• 38:09
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Oh, my God.
• 38:11
  Rick Costa: There is a phenomenon too, where people, maybe you guys, have experiences I have not too many times, but it's happened where it's it's really freaky, where you're asleep and I think it's like you were saying, like you're kind of sort of in between.
• 38:22
  Rick Costa: Then all of a sudden you feel like you're falling and I'm like falling, like you just fell out of an airplane and I, more than once, have pulled a sheet off of my bed because that's how real it felt.
• 38:33
  Rick Costa: Literally, she pulled out because I thought I was really falling and then I woke up and was like oh, what the heck, like it was crazy.
• 38:41
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: That happened to me once, and I was on the top bunk and I actually fell off the bed.
• 38:45
  Carmen Lezeth: No, Okay, that's just why I didn't get hurt, but I just don't sleep that deeply and I know like it bums me out, like I think you have to be someone who can actually sleep deeply to have some of these experiences.
• 39:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I just don't.
• 39:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm so sad.
• 39:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Don't you feel sorry for me?
• 39:05
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I'm just kidding.
• 39:07
  Rick Costa: You've been not feeling so great lately.
• 39:09
  Rick Costa: Maybe you have been sleeping deeper now, mm-hmm.
• 39:13
  Carmen Lezeth: No, you know, I… you might get a visit tonight.
• 39:17
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Who knows?
• 39:17
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: No, I you know I might get a visit tonight, who knows no, I don't want no ghosts coming to me.
• 39:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I want them to work on some stuff.
• 39:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Put some money in my bank account, don't waste your time coming to talk to me.
• 39:31
  Rick Costa: Find a way I remember as a kid and this was before I got religious I said listen, God, I don't see no angels, I don't see no demons.
• 39:40
  Rick Costa: I said if I see you, just don't scare the crap out of me, You're okay.
• 39:43
  Rick Costa: But I don't see nothing else.
• 39:44
  Rick Costa: Right, yeah.
• 39:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I think, at heart I'm always a skeptic and not, I mean, I do believe in the things that have happened to me.
• 39:54
  Carmen Lezeth: But if I had to have a conversation with, like, a scientist, I would absolutely be like, oh yeah, the crow was whatever, their wing was hurt, and they just happened to fall on me and you know what I mean, and it was just perfect timing and it would have happened anyway or something you know.
• 40:09
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'd be like, yeah, no, there are patterns, I believe, and there's a reason why it happened the way it happened, because I needed to know or feel, even if it's not true, that's what I so that's the flip part of it.
• 40:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I needed to understand that Richard was okay.
• 40:24
  Carmen Lezeth: So it doesn't matter why it happened.
• 40:27
  Carmen Lezeth: The effect it had on me was what needed to happen.
• 40:31
  Carmen Lezeth: So I think that's also sometimes what we do too.
• 40:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that like if we need to hear something from a psychic, we hear it.
• 40:38
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, know, like I remember going with a friend of mine to a psychic and she, at this point, I'm like I ain't paying no psychic, nothing, no more, unless it's like it's on venice beach and it's like five dollars.
• 40:48
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, just like when tourists come or whatever.
• 40:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, right, you know.
• 40:51
  Carmen Lezeth: But I went with her and I remember and she was like I just want to want to see what they think about him.
• 40:56
  Carmen Lezeth: She was having issues in her marriage and I sat there and I was like, oh my God, like everything she was saying.
• 41:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like, oh my God, rolling my eyes, whatever, because my friend Tanya was like, uh-huh, I'm like, oh my God, I couldn't fool you with that $200.
• 41:14
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean, yeah, so yeah.
• 41:18
  Rick Costa: I got an interesting story.
• 41:19
  Rick Costa: So there was this guy and it was at a church and he was a guy from Africa and he was a prophet.
• 41:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Notice the air quotes for the people that are listening.
• 41:29
  Carmen Lezeth: What makes somebody a prophet?
• 41:32
  Rick Costa: Well, there's some churches that believe that God will speak directly and give you information.
• 41:35
  Rick Costa: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 41:36
  Rick Costa: So I went because a lot of people from my church were gone and now again.
• 41:42
  Rick Costa: Mind you, before I became religious quote, I was into all that stuff, but then, after I said I really said this like seriously, like God, please, from now on, if anybody tries to read me, just don't let it happen.
• 41:55
  Rick Costa: Just let them just not get it right at all.
• 41:57
  Rick Costa: So this guy's in church and he's literally going to people saying how many kids there have, and they have how, what their ages are, their names?
• 42:07
  Rick Costa: He could tell you social security number.
• 42:09
  Rick Costa: He's like I'm gonna say the whole thing.
• 42:11
  Rick Costa: But I was like wait a minute, this is my problem.
• 42:16
  Rick Costa: Problem.
• 42:17
  Rick Costa: Why would God do this?
• 42:18
  Rick Costa: Like you're just making it.
• 42:21
  Rick Costa: You're making it look like look how powerful I am and look how in tune I am.
• 42:25
  Rick Costa: Like this is not glorifying God, this is glorifying you.
• 42:30
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: And a lot of that information you can find on Google nowadays.
• 42:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, it was before Google, but remember there was that guy.
• 42:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I'm sorry, rick, will you?
• 42:38
  Rick Costa: finish.
• 42:38
  Rick Costa: Yeah, yeah, he's going around and everybody's like wow, wow, wow.
• 42:41
  Rick Costa: And I'm like I don't know, this is too much, this is too much.
• 42:45
  Rick Costa: And then he came to me.
• 42:47
  Rick Costa: I was like oh, here we go, brother, stand up.
• 42:50
  Rick Costa: Okay, sure, do you have a wife?
• 42:53
  Rick Costa: No, do you have a wife?
• 42:55
  Rick Costa: No, do you have a girlfriend?
• 42:56
  Rick Costa: No, do you live with a woman?
• 42:59
  Rick Costa: No, I wasn't.
• 43:00
  Rick Costa: That time I was living upstairs.
• 43:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Living with a woman?
• 43:02
  Rick Costa: No, and he kept asking me all these things and everything was wrong.
• 43:06
  Rick Costa: I was like thank you God.
• 43:07
  Rick Costa: I told you to God, bless you brother.
• 43:10
  Rick Costa: I walked away, I moved on.
• 43:14
  Rick Costa: Wait a minute.
• 43:14
  Rick Costa: He was 100% with everybody, but then with this guy, what happened?
• 43:18
  Rick Costa: I don't know what happened.
• 43:19
  Rick Costa: Y'all stupid.
• 43:20
  Carmen Lezeth: No, that's mean.
• 43:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean I know what you're saying, but again, I'm not for the scammers.
• 43:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Remember, there was a guy on Oprah I forget what his name was.
• 43:33
  Carmen Lezeth: It was a famous guy who was the medium guy.
• 43:34
  Carmen Lezeth: He would walk in the audience, you know who I'm talking about.
• 43:34
  Carmen Lezeth: He would walk in the audience and he'd be like walk in the audience, you know who I'm talking about.
• 43:35
  Carmen Lezeth: He would walk in the audience and he'd be like oh, somebody's sister wants me to talk to them.
• 43:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Did someone recently lose a sister?
• 43:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Like you're in a room Right, like I could do it, like I can figure it out.
• 43:51
  Rick Costa: Somebody's mother started with the letter M I know Right.
• 43:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Like, if I can remember his name.
• 43:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I know you guys remember him or whatever, but it doesn't matter, he, you know, they ended up finding out he was a fraud or whatever big surprise, you know.
• 44:04
  Carmen Lezeth: But I think part of what people don't understand is a lot of the stuff that people were getting from these people were things they were finding out about them not just on the internet, but in your trash also, or or in your mail or whatever.
• 44:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Like he would have all these examples of people who are like, oh my God, he knew all this, this and this, and you could tell that there was somebody who did a lot of research on him, you know.
• 44:25
  Carmen Lezeth: And then in the next breath, um, it's also the way in which and I'm a good reader of people's facial expressions and the way in which you know everybody has a tick, just naturally, because of the way I was raised, I don't like, but you know what I'm saying Like and, and I think, a lot of people.
• 44:42
  Carmen Lezeth: It's the same reason why people can do lie detector tests, like police can figure out certain people, whether you're wearing that thing or not, if you're lying or not, just based on the way they can read your faces.
• 44:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not saying all police before, but you know what I'm saying those people that do all that forensic crazy stuff.
• 44:58
  Carmen Lezeth: That's part of it, you know.
• 45:01
  Carmen Lezeth: But I also think sometimes we want to believe, and we need to believe because it fuels us to feel better about whatever it is, and so that's why part of me doesn't want to admonish, like some of the people you had in the audience.
• 45:17
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean, didn't want that, and so you rejected it, you know, and that's awesome.
• 45:21
  Carmen Lezeth: But maybe other people wanted to believe that their cousin who died in a car accident was talking to the medium right.
• 45:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
• 45:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if there's any harm in it.
• 45:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Maybe there is.
• 45:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what you guys think it's like with you and the crow.
• 45:33
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: The crow could have, just you know, fallen, but it made you feel better, it made you feel like I totally believe it.
• 45:41
  Carmen Lezeth: And I also believe the thing in the airplane, like see, I don't believe in coincidences, that one is really hard because I'm like, come on, come on, I was hoping.
• 45:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I was hoping for a quiet, like next door person or whatever you know, like to have my own seat or be in first class.
• 45:59
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I didn't get in first class though, so I don't know.
• 46:01
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, I think.
• 46:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's probably part of it too.
• 46:07
  Carmen Lezeth: If we need it, we believe in it, and then it becomes real and it does help us.
• 46:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's when people manipulate that right.
• 46:16
  Carmen Lezeth: That it becomes a problem.
• 46:16
  Carmen Lezeth: And when people are just taking uh that it becomes a problem.
• 46:17
  Carmen Lezeth: And when people are just taking money from you and telling you you have to buy a crystal because then the evil spirit will keep, you will stay away from you yeah I don't get all the.
• 46:27
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I don't get those crystal things, I just don't I don't know.
• 46:32
  Rick Costa: To me it's also kind of dumb.
• 46:34
  Rick Costa: It it's like okay, let's say it's for real, it's a spirit.
• 46:38
  Rick Costa: Can you take a knife and cut the spirit?
• 46:41
  Rick Costa: You can't do nothing to it.
• 46:42
  Rick Costa: What does it care about physical things?
• 46:44
  Rick Costa: What's a physical thing going to do against the spirit?
• 46:47
  Rick Costa: I?
• 46:49
  Carmen Lezeth: don't know what you mean, though.
• 46:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you talking about?
• 46:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Like somebody trying to sell you crystal?
• 46:53
  Rick Costa: For example, we watch movies about vampires and, like you, put up the cross the vampire.
• 47:03
  Rick Costa: For example, we watch movies about vampires and, like you, put up the cross the vampire.
• 47:03
  Rick Costa: Right, so we have that in our head.
• 47:04
  Rick Costa: So some people because they think, oh, I think a spirit came to me or whatever evil spirit, so put crosses everywhere or wear a necklace.
• 47:07
  Rick Costa: I'm like I ain't doing nothing.
• 47:08
  Rick Costa: What is a physical, what is a spirit that you can't touch and do nothing to it?
• 47:12
  Rick Costa: What does it care about anything in the physical realm?
• 47:16
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: But is it possible to make that person feel better?
• 47:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, can it be symbolic, Can it be something that people are doing Cause it be like it just feels right?
• 47:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Rick Costa: It might make you feel better, but I don't think that thing is like oh no, you put them across, it doesn't care, it's a physical thing, it has no effect on that.
• 47:34
  Carmen Lezeth: But what if you believe that?
• 47:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so, and I'm going to say something because I keep thinking about because you are Christian and you practice it, I mean you do on your show, drinking of the wine and eating of the I was going to say butter, oh, my God.
• 47:54
  Rick Costa: I'm so tired I'm on popcorn now.
• 47:58
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I don't mean any disrespect, I'm just I'm so hot, popular now.
• 48:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't mean any disrespect, I'm just I'm so hot right now, like you know what I'm saying, like it doesn't really do anything, but it does do something for you and people believe what they believe, right, I mean, it means something.
• 48:15
  Carmen Lezeth: So I hear you, I'm not, I'm just being.
• 48:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll give you an example.
• 48:19
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Go ahead.
• 48:19
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So you know, we were both brought up Catholic, even though we're not practicing now.
• 48:24
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So at my front door I have a rosary hanging by the door.
• 48:29
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: I have one in my bedroom door and I take one every time I travel.
• 48:35
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: It's actually my rosary from my first communion that I take with me.
• 48:40
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: So to me, it makes me feel better, it makes me have my faith.
• 48:43
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: You feel safe, yeah.
• 48:46
  Carmen Lezeth: The rosary though.
• 48:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Huh, that's interesting.
• 48:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I carry a quarter with me.
• 48:56
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Just a random one, or does it have a special?
• 49:00
  Carmen Lezeth: year, but it just cracks me up like I'm like the whole rabbit's foot thing.
• 49:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Remember people used to have rabbits I don't believe in luck, but that's a whole other conversation.
• 49:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you guys believe in luck?
• 49:14
  Carmen Lezeth: The rabbit wasn't that lucky.
• 49:16
  Carmen Lezeth: No, he wasn't Exactly Right.
• 49:17
  Carmen Lezeth: But do you guys believe in luck?
• 49:21
  Carmen Lezeth: See, I don't believe in luck.
• 49:23
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Nah not really.
• 49:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I don't believe in luck, because if I have to believe in luck, I have to believe in bad luck.
• 49:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I just don't think it works that way.
• 49:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think some people get the cloud over them all the time and some people get the sunshine.
• 49:38
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I just don't believe in that kind of like.
• 49:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Why?
• 49:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Why, especially if you're a good and decent human being who tries hard every day, no matter what mistakes are that you made, why would the universe function that way?
• 49:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Whatever you believe, you know what I mean.
• 49:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I actually think most people are good and most people have the same shot as anyone else to have joy and happiness.
• 50:03
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I have to believe that because if not, I'd be very miserable.
• 50:08
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 50:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Good point, wow.
• 50:12
  Carmen Lezeth: So that was kind of a fun, interesting conversation.
• 50:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you so much.
• 50:17
  Carmen Lezeth: You guys are awesome.
• 50:18
  Carmen Lezeth: You guys always go with it Like we do.
• 50:22
  Carmen Lezeth: What Are you making fun of me?
• 50:23
  Carmen Lezeth: No, you are too.
• 50:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, you know what it is.
• 50:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I can throw out any subject and you guys are always willing to talk about it, and that's what I love about our little neighborhood show.
• 50:33
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like I always want to make sure we have something eclectic and different and fun and informative and maybe we learn something you know and now I've learned that.
• 50:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia walks around with rosary beads.
• 50:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I had no idea.
• 50:48
  Carmen Lezeth: When I travel, I do, I love that, and you guys know that I travel with a specific quarter in my pocket.
• 50:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I also have a dream weaver.
• 51:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I have a dream weaver that I have in my car and uh, yeah, which is interesting, because someone gave it to me.
• 51:02
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Uh, barry mansfield, you mean a dream catcher.
• 51:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah, what did I call it dream weaver?
• 51:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Isn't that a dream weaver, is it?
• 51:12
  Carmen Lezeth: What's it called a dream catch?
• 51:14
  Cynthia Ruiz Lopez: Yeah, it's supposed to catch bad dreams.
• 51:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I have my doings in my car and it's a circle with netting in it and feathers Dream catcher.
• 51:24
  Rick Costa: It's American, you know what.
• 51:26
  Carmen Lezeth: For 30 years I've been calling it a dream weaver, and that's how it's going to stay.
• 51:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Anyway, everyone, thank you so much for hanging out with us today.
• 51:38
  Carmen Lezeth: It's always so much fun when you guys come and visit.
• 51:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Please make sure that you come and visit us again on Friday nights at 6 pm Pacific, 9 pm Eastern.
• 51:47
  Carmen Lezeth: We're always here on Sundays as well, and remember, at the end of the day, it really is all about the joy.
• 51:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Thanks everyone.
• 51:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye, dream weaver.
• 51:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, about the joy.
• 52:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Everyone.
• 52:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye, dream weaver.
• 52:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my god.
• 52:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Thanks for stopping by.
• 52:06
  Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy.
• 52:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Be better and stay beautiful folks.
• 52:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Have a sweet day.