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The Bolt Report | 13 July · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: It's the report.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson has blown it and I am so frustrated
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Speaker 2: mass immigration to multiculturalism. We finally had a chance to
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Speaker 2: discuss these important issues seriously, this threat that we saw
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Speaker 2: again in Europe on Friday and in Melbourne just today.
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Speaker 2: But Pauline Hansen, through sheer in discipline and lack of thought,
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Speaker 2: is again making that almost impossible that debate. Let me
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Speaker 2: first show you those two examples I mentioned before. I
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Speaker 2: show you how Pauline Hanser really is stuffed up and
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Speaker 2: why snow wondered that the poll numbers.
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Speaker 1: Today show a big fall.
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Speaker 2: Last Friday, France beat Morocco in the World Cup quarterfinals
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Speaker 2: and put very crudely, you had a European side beating
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Speaker 2: in a Muslim African side. But what was a game
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Speaker 2: in the World Cup became riots on the streets of
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Speaker 2: Europe by some of the five million Moroccans now calling
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Speaker 2: Europe their home or kind of. In London, Moroccan fans
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Speaker 2: blocked the roads and terrified two women in this car
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Speaker 2: before chasing police down the street. That was actually footage
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Speaker 2: from Paris. We'll try to get the one of chasing
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Speaker 2: the police down the London street is a shameful police
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Speaker 2: running for their lives. In Dussdorf, Germany, there was more
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Speaker 2: trouble that needed police to sort out. And in the Netherlands,
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Speaker 2: Moroccan fans charted anti Jewish slogans such as all Jews
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Speaker 2: are homos and reportedly hamas hamas Jews to the gas.
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Speaker 2: And this a year and a half after the was
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Speaker 2: an infamous Jew hunt in Amsterdam, Israeli soccer fans hunted
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Speaker 2: down and bashed by a crowd dominated again by Dutch Moroccans.
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Speaker 2: Mass immigration has very much changed parts of Europe, and
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Speaker 2: that's without even talking about the terrorists threat. But here too,
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Speaker 2: and again it's not just the threat of terrorism or
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Speaker 2: another Bondai massacre or whatever. Be warned by what is
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Speaker 2: happening right now in Victoria. For years we've been told,
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Speaker 2: I know, it's New South Wales, New South Wales where
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Speaker 2: you get middles and crime gangs and even assassinations in
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Speaker 2: the streets. For suddenly Victoria's becoming just as frightening, if
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Speaker 2: not more. Three weeks ago, Hussein Dehni, a standover man
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Speaker 2: linked to Middle East and Barkie gangs, were shot dead
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Speaker 2: in the street and just in the past week, Melbourne
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Speaker 2: has been hit with four drive by shootings and at
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Speaker 2: least seven serious arts and attacks all in the one week,
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Speaker 2: including one on a tobacco shop which damaged nine other
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Speaker 2: shops as well. And that's on top of us and
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Speaker 2: attacks on homes and cars around the city. And the
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Speaker 2: shootings have been just as terrifying of course, including this
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Speaker 2: on Essendon North Cafe last week, a cafe that was
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Speaker 2: last night then destroyed in the latest arson attack. There
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Speaker 2: was also a shooting of this shisha bah and this
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Speaker 2: targeted shooting on a home. Now I've lived in and
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Speaker 2: now near Melbourne for more than forty years, never have
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Speaker 2: I seen anything like this. The city has changed and
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Speaker 2: for the worse. And we can't blame it all on
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Speaker 2: mass immigration multiculturalism. I know that the government multicultures have
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Speaker 2: been the government policies to keep people in their own cultures.
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Speaker 1: But police do blame a lot of these arson.
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Speaker 2: Attacks, especially on tobacco shops, through a w between middleism
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Speaker 2: crime gangs trying to control the illegal tobacco trade. And
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Speaker 2: in March, the Herald Sun reported that two thirds of
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Speaker 2: underworld linked homicides in Melbourne over the past decade have
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Speaker 2: been connected to Middle Eastern organized crime. In fact, that
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Speaker 2: burning the in our synagogue that horrified Australia, that was
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Speaker 2: ordered by Middle East and crime.
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Speaker 1: Gang boss cousin Hahmad.
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Speaker 2: He did it for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Court in
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Speaker 2: exchange for Iran, and he hide out and operate in
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Speaker 2: Iran and Iraq. I've worn for years about this in
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Speaker 2: other ways, that mass immigration and multiculturalism and ripping us apart,
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Speaker 2: making us less safe, changing our country. And I've seen
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Speaker 2: how our politicians and so many journalists the ABC, they
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Speaker 2: do not what to know. They look for any excuse
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Speaker 2: not to know, you know, like statistics and ethnic crime,
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Speaker 2: they're mostly not collected and not certainly not shared with
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Speaker 2: voters debates of course, So how down as a racist.
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Speaker 2: So given all that, how frustrated to see Pauling Hanson
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Speaker 2: give people who don't want that debate an excuse again
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Speaker 2: to shout it down. Last month, Hanson gave a big
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Speaker 2: speech at the National Press Club with this line, causing
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Speaker 2: a meltdown among politicians and journalists.
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Speaker 3: We cannot be a multicultural society. We are a multi
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Speaker 3: racial society, but we must be mono cultural. Australians must
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Speaker 3: live under the one cultural umbrella.
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Speaker 2: Now, I said at the time on the show using
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Speaker 2: the word monocultural that was provocative, loose, open to misunderstanding
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Speaker 2: and to scare campaigns, and it wasn't explained well in
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Speaker 2: the speech. I knew what Hanson meant. I checked with
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Speaker 2: her as well, and I tried to explain it here
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Speaker 2: and in my columns that what Hanson meant is that
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Speaker 2: we can all enjoy our own cultures, of course, but
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Speaker 2: the government's role is to support the one that unites
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Speaker 2: us as Australian, not to fund all these cultures and
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Speaker 2: keep us apart. But Hanson didn't do that hard work
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Speaker 2: of explaining herself, of arguing her case in speech after
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Speaker 2: speech after article after article calmly and rationally, because this
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Speaker 2: is a debate we must have and it must be
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Speaker 2: pursued calmly without people being able to screen racist.
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Speaker 1: And she didn't do this work.
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Speaker 2: Even when an ABC journist verbaled her with this absolutely
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Speaker 2: nonsense question.
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Speaker 1: Hanson just wouldn't argue her case. So that is a yes.
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Speaker 4: That is a yes from you to that question.
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Speaker 3: You think there are too many people in Australia were
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Speaker 3: speaking Mandarin at home.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, No, you're verbaling me.
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Speaker 2: That it's not Hanson. But anyway, same point. I know
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Speaker 2: it's an indictment on the Coalition that they did not
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Speaker 2: fill this vacuum. They have run from this debate, have
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Speaker 2: even accused Hanson of racism. So yes, I should at
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Speaker 2: least give Hanson credit for raising this critical issue, and
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Speaker 2: I did, and I do. And I should also condemn
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Speaker 2: Labor and the Liberals for running away from this debate,
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Speaker 2: and I have and I do. But for Hanson then
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Speaker 2: to just in that speech leading in the polls, just
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Speaker 2: to drop that stink bomb and walk away, No, I
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Speaker 2: can't accept that. And now for her to go to
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Speaker 2: London and hob nob with Tommy Robinson, a thug, a racist,
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Speaker 2: a criminal, a liar, a man convicted for crimes involving
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Speaker 2: drugs and violence and fraud, even kicking an off duty
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Speaker 2: policeman in the head, to also go on a tour
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Speaker 2: of Muslim parts of London with him, as if Robinson
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Speaker 2: is her expert on Islam and immigration.
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Speaker 1: What do you think of the demographic.
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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm god smacked because I wouldn't think that
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Speaker 3: I was in England.
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Speaker 2: I mean this, Tommy Robinson is Hansen's guru, her guide.
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Speaker 2: This man who reformed leader Naja Farrage says, should have.
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Speaker 1: No role in any political party.
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Speaker 2: This provocateur and his walk with Hanson in London, you know,
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Speaker 2: went from one verbal brawl after another with locals who
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Speaker 2: know his record.
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Speaker 1: You're racist, you're racist? Book? What racist on your face?
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Speaker 1: Do you remember?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 1: I don't remember. I'm sorry to disappoint Hanson fans be
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Speaker 1: so angry with her, which I say she did has
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Speaker 1: raised issues. But what was she thinking? There are so
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Speaker 1: many people in.
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Speaker 2: Britain who can talk seriously about the problem there. Why
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Speaker 2: does hands the show strands that? No, Tommy Robinson is
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Speaker 2: the kind of so called patriots she embraces. And you wait,
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Speaker 2: Channel seven was there to set all that up, film
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Speaker 2: it all. Hanson and Robinson together were reportedly embartment having
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Speaker 2: his own ding dong with Robinson in the street, which
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Speaker 2: we will get to see. Where Pauline Hanson amazingly led
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Speaker 2: in the polls. She had one job. She now had
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Speaker 2: the voter's interest, even sympathy. Now her job was to
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Speaker 2: win their trust, show that she could lead a government
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Speaker 2: that she wouldn't set us all at each other's throats
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Speaker 2: and let racists loose in the street. But then she
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Speaker 2: hangs out with Robinson. He's going to listen to her
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Speaker 2: now multiculturalism without thinking yes, But isn't this a green
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Speaker 2: light to racists? I don't want to seem racist myself.
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Speaker 2: It's I'm not surprised that Hanson in today's resolved poll,
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Speaker 2: clearly her vote has dropped three points, all of it
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Speaker 2: going to the Coalition. But I support for Handsome personal
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Speaker 2: is preferred Prime Minister that is down a massive eight points. Now,
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Speaker 2: I know this fall is not primarily because of Tommy
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Speaker 2: Robinson Channel seventh report on Spotlight that's yet to come
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Speaker 2: any day now that damage is yet to be done.
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Speaker 2: What an opportunity is being thrown away? I mean, who
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Speaker 2: seriously thinks the Liberals will now dare to talk about
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Speaker 2: multiculturalism they begin of an excuse to keep stunning themselves.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think the air is now going out of the
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Speaker 2: handsome balloon. I mean things may change, I.
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Speaker 1: Know that, but they will not change a lot.
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Speaker 2: Unless Hanson drops the stunts and learns that for her
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Speaker 2: just to be normal will.
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Speaker 1: Now be mad enough.
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Speaker 2: Now I can't understand why the coalition doesn't step up
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Speaker 2: to this debate themselves about how mass immigration multicultural there
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Speaker 2: is a ripping us apart because the evidence comes in.
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Speaker 1: By the day.
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Speaker 2: Like Green's co leader Mary in Ferruki a couple of
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Speaker 2: days ago, a Muslim immigrant one in Australia to treat
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Speaker 2: Israel as the enemy too, even fight it.
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Speaker 4: Fight against Israel is a fight for the future of
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Speaker 4: this country.
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Speaker 1: We must fight Israel.
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Speaker 2: Then there's the Albanizi Governments envoy and so called Islamophobia.
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Speaker 2: Months after fifteen people have slaughtered at a Jewish festival
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Speaker 2: at Bondai by men allegedly with an Islamic state flag.
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Speaker 2: This envoy actually puts in a submission to the Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission into anti Semitism at city. Right now, say, oh,
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Speaker 2: hang on, hang on. Let's not define terrorism by motive,
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Speaker 2: as I just implied myself. Let's not call it, say
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Speaker 2: Islamist terrorism. No, the government should amend the Definition of
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Speaker 2: Terrorists Act to reduce a reliance on ideological, political, or
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Speaker 2: religious motivation as a central criterion to the offense. Extremism
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Speaker 2: is to be classified and addressed by reference to its
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Speaker 2: capacity to mobilize harm inside violence in he roade social
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Speaker 2: cohesion rather than our geological labels. Thiss envoy that we
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Speaker 2: pay for says not doing this is going to put
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Speaker 2: me in the Australians offside. But how convenient for him.
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Speaker 2: Don't call Islamus terrorism is Limist terrorism. Call it I
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Speaker 2: don't know, hurti bang bang, hurti bang bang.
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Speaker 1: That sounds good.
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Speaker 2: Joining me, Michael Kroger back at last from his break
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Speaker 2: from President of the Victorian Liberals. Is Steve Connor a
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Speaker 2: formulator centered in cabinet minutes that Michael, welcome back. What
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Speaker 2: about that idea, Let's not find terrorism by the motive,
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Speaker 2: Let's not call it by what terrorists act? We know
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Speaker 2: why they actually want Australians dead. To call it by
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Speaker 2: something else.
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Speaker 6: Sorry, Andrew. The the very definition in the Criminal Code
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Speaker 6: those things political, religious or ideological motive as part of
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Speaker 6: the terrorism definition.
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Speaker 1: He wants to gut that.
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Speaker 6: Look, let's be frank, what's going on here is you've
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Speaker 6: partly explained no reference to Islamic or Muslim terrorist or
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Speaker 6: acts in any further acts of terrorism. You don't refer
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Speaker 6: to them as being Muslim.
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Speaker 1: Or Islamic extremists.
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Speaker 6: That's what he's trying to achieve here that quite frankly,
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Speaker 6: that is such an appalling outrageous suggestion because it denies,
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Speaker 6: it would deny the truth of things to the Australian public.
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Speaker 6: He wants to chloroform and deny the truth of things
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Speaker 6: to people. That warrants his sacking. Quite frankly, it is
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Speaker 6: such an outrageous proposition. It is so transparent. He's not
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Speaker 6: an envoy, he's just an apologist. And that is a
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Speaker 6: shocking suggestion. And you know, to try and to try
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Speaker 6: and hide from the Australian public things that are happening
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Speaker 6: in this country. We all know that, as you've said
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Speaker 6: on many occasions, the vast majority of terrorists acts and
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Speaker 6: criminal acts and deaths in this country through terrorism active
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Speaker 6: come from Muslim and Islamic extremists. If his definition was right,
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Speaker 6: there would be no reference to the religious part.
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Speaker 1: Of that at all.
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Speaker 6: It would just be a terrorist act was performed by X,
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Speaker 6: with no explanation of what was behind it. It is
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Speaker 6: an outrageous proposition and he should have.
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Speaker 1: Been dispassed by Tony Burke. Stephen. We actually pay for
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Speaker 1: this guy, though.
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Speaker 5: Look, this is a really humiliating performance to write that
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Speaker 5: in a submission into a Royal commission into anti semitisimate.
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Speaker 5: It's just humiliating. I mean, to pretend that there is
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Speaker 5: not a g hardist interpretation of the Quran is to
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Speaker 5: deny fact. To deny fact, there is a g hardest interpretation.
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Speaker 5: It's not supported by the vast majority of Muslims. It's
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Speaker 5: articulated by the hate hate mongers. And this should be
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Speaker 5: treated as the government have done today with contempt and
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Speaker 5: said no, we are not changing the act at all,
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Speaker 5: and good on them for doing it. This bloke has
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Speaker 5: humiliated himself. There's plenty of real work for him to do,
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Speaker 5: wanting to expose the you know, and there are attacks
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Speaker 5: on the Muslim community in this country, but this contribution
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Speaker 5: is humiliating, humiliating for this envoy.
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Speaker 2: Well, just to pick up at exactly what you've said,
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Speaker 2: I can't think of a single leading Islamic terrorist group,
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Speaker 2: Islam's terrorist group in the in the world that doesn't
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Speaker 2: quote the Quran to justify there what they do Hamas
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Speaker 2: Islami jihad, hezbola bokaham only it goes. They all quote,
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Speaker 2: all the ones have studied quote the Koran. And if
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Speaker 2: you think that's sort of oh, that's a coincidence or
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Speaker 2: something you are in such serious denil. Back to the
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Speaker 2: polls though, Michael, a big drop in support for Paul
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Speaker 2: in Hansen personally and for one nation three point drop there.
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Speaker 2: Her personal one was eight percent eight points, although that
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Speaker 2: said it is still ahead of the coalition is my
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Speaker 2: nation though on the slide.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think that's possible.
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Speaker 6: Andrew's well, look, the stock market doesn't go up every day,
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Speaker 6: so the fact that they had a drop people saying, oh,
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Speaker 6: it's the end of the no. I think what's happened
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Speaker 6: is this, It got to a tipping point where people
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Speaker 6: started talking about paul and Hanson as being prime minister
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Speaker 6: of this country, and I think people thought, well, look,
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Speaker 6: we agree with a lot of her objections the way
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Speaker 6: this country is being run by the elites and the
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Speaker 6: insiders a new establishment, but it's a bridge too far
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Speaker 6: to think that she'd be prime minister of the country.
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Speaker 6: I think that's what's happened, and people have backed off that.
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Speaker 6: There has been, of course increased scrutiny of them, and
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Speaker 6: that hasn't helped them.
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Speaker 1: Made a fe mistakes.
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Speaker 6: As you've said, I think it's outrageous that she goes
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Speaker 6: in campaigns with Tommy Robinson. For all the reasons that
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Speaker 6: you correctly explained. I think this is ill disciplined. I
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Speaker 6: think there's hubris involved in this and she's doing herself damage.
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Speaker 6: But it's more to the point that well, look, you
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Speaker 6: could be part of a minority if there was a
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Speaker 6: coalition majority somewhere, and you could add a few seats
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Speaker 6: and give supply and confidence. But as to being Prime
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Speaker 6: Minister of Australia, I think it warrants people thinking, no,
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Speaker 6: that's a.
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Speaker 1: Bridge too far.
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Speaker 5: Andrew Steven, Yeah, look, I wouldn't want to say yet
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Speaker 5: that they've peaked. I think for the first time you
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Speaker 5: actually went to the National Press Club, good honor. She
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Speaker 5: expressed her views and you know, a lot of her
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Speaker 5: media covenants said what a brilliant job she did. Well,
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Speaker 5: it's just unfortunate for quite a lot of Australians that
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Speaker 5: didn't think it was such a good job. I mean,
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Speaker 5: she attacked young people in their work ethic, she attacked maternity.
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Speaker 5: If she attacks you know, seventy eight year old Italian
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Speaker 5: and Greek migrants who haven't you know, learned you know,
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Speaker 5: an absolute grasp of that. Yes she did, Okay, she
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Speaker 5: she took an which percent three percent of the Australian public, Okay,
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Speaker 5: three percent, and she tried to make it sound like
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Speaker 5: that was being swamped, swamped by people who didn't speak
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Speaker 5: the language.
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Speaker 1: So she got what she deserved. But here's the point.
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Speaker 1: She's not going to build this point, Michael. This is
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Speaker 1: exactly the point.
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Speaker 2: The points that Steve made, they are all talking points
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Speaker 2: of labor that ran very, very hard. She didn't do that,
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Speaker 2: And I explained what she actually did do, and I
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Speaker 2: showed the quotes, and I showed what she's been misrepresented,
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Speaker 2: and why a million p Austrangers you don't speak English
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Speaker 2: at all or very badly, is actually a problem.
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Speaker 1: I did that. She didn't. It was for her to do.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think she got.
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Speaker 2: The discipline of once you're a big runner here and
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Speaker 2: you want to make a serious issue of this, you've
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Speaker 2: got to explain day in day out what you said.
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Speaker 2: You've got to knock back the sort of stuff that
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Speaker 2: Stephen has said. Not someone like me, she has to
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Speaker 2: do it.
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Speaker 6: So I saw your commentary on that and I thought
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Speaker 6: you're absolutely right in everything you said. It's like when
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Speaker 6: you're the treasure of the country the business community, the
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Speaker 6: economic community, the financial writers hang off your every word,
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Speaker 6: your every intonation. When she was considered a potential prime
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Speaker 6: minister of this country, every word she said was diagnosed
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Speaker 6: as just opposed to being a protest party. Everything she
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Speaker 6: says has been heavily diagnosed, and she hasn't explained things correctly.
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Speaker 6: The language is far too loose, it's ill disciplined. They're
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Speaker 6: obviously making up a lot of ideas as they go along.
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Speaker 6: And I understand about Aby Joyce. They've got a treasure,
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Speaker 6: they've only got a couple of start the treasures. So
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Speaker 6: there with a reserve bank, it's very difficult. You may
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Speaker 6: have a couple of staff members accept Joyce's argument, but
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Speaker 6: you've got to remember that if you are being put
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Speaker 6: up for the prime ministership of this country, which she
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Speaker 6: was a few weeks ago, very seriously, when she got
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Speaker 6: into the thirties, every word, every intonation will be analyzed.
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Speaker 6: And it's too loose, Andrew, it's too it's not sufficiently
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Speaker 6: too buying. The economic policy, it's too loose. And you know,
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Speaker 6: you look at Taylor and even Albinizi. These people are
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Speaker 6: far more conservative in their language. Because what a political
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Speaker 6: leader says matters.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but of course it's easy to say, Stephen. I
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Speaker 2: mean they've got two advisors in the One Nation Office,
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Speaker 2: they've got these Swingali you know, James Ashmy, but you know,
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Speaker 2: doing all this that's just too much for such a
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Speaker 2: small team.
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Speaker 5: Well that's that's a pretty pathetic excuse. She's been in politics,
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Speaker 5: involved in politics over thirty years. Barnaby Joyce's the possible
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Speaker 5: Treasurer and he's had a cracking. If it wasn't for
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Speaker 5: Hanton and Robinson, we'll be talking about Barnaby Joyce's ludicrous
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Speaker 5: economic policies around the Reserve Bank. I'm an enormous critic,
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Speaker 5: as you both know, of the Reserve Bank. But to
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Speaker 5: suggest what Barnaby has been talking about this week shows
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Speaker 5: why he was once a shadow Finance minister and got
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Speaker 5: sacked by the Coalition when they were in opposition. So
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Speaker 5: let's give Barnaby more air time. Let's give Pauline more
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Speaker 5: air time. Because they do not have the graft and
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Speaker 5: they've both been long term politicians.
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Speaker 1: There is no excuse saying.
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Speaker 5: I've only got a few staff.
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Speaker 1: There is no excuse for I think, well, if it
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Speaker 1: doesn't make.
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Speaker 5: I was a Shannon Well running half two staff for
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Speaker 5: staff and they've got one of my portfolio.
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Speaker 1: On days.
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Speaker 2: That's yes, and that's Alberniz's coming plan. Stripped their advisors
21:59
Speaker 2: to next to nothing, and of course they're going to
22:02
Speaker 2: trip over the shoelacers. Michael Krogus, Stephen Conroory, thank you
22:05
Speaker 2: very much to you both, And listen before I go
22:08
Speaker 2: to the break is the This is the mob of
22:11
Speaker 2: Moroccan fans in London chasing police down the road. Now
22:18
Speaker 2: who's running the streets in Britain? Do you think this
22:21
Speaker 2: beautiful multicultural model having bottles and sticks and stones hurled
22:27
Speaker 2: at them? That, friends, is what Albany's, what culturalism is
22:34
Speaker 2: doing to Britain right now. That is what our handsome
22:37
Speaker 2: went over there to see. And I think she should
22:39
Speaker 2: have just stuck to that. The truth is bad enough.
22:42
Speaker 2: After the break, Donald Trump's a crazy war with Iran
22:44
Speaker 2: and it runs even crazy, claiming that have just killed
22:46
Speaker 2: you were Senator Lindsey Graham. Now this war between Iran
22:54
Speaker 2: and the US is getting more and more serious and
22:57
Speaker 2: also more bizarre. The US is just launched one hundred
23:00
Speaker 2: and forty strikes in Iran, this time on ed offense. Systems,
23:03
Speaker 2: coastal radio sites, missile drone capabilities, and so on. But
23:07
Speaker 2: it's still, bizarrely not a full out war. I don't know,
23:13
Speaker 2: I've said before. Perhaps it's because the US thinks it's
23:16
Speaker 2: dealing with a two headed monster. It's peace talks with
23:19
Speaker 2: civilian leaders who claim to want peace. Maybe they do,
23:22
Speaker 2: maybe they don't, But it's real war. The shooty bang
23:26
Speaker 2: bang stuff is with the ultra hardline Islamic Revolutionary Guard
23:30
Speaker 2: Corps back by extremeist religious leaders.
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Speaker 1: These are the guys that really pull the strings.
23:34
Speaker 2: They've been whipping up calls for revenge against the US
23:38
Speaker 2: by parading the coffin of their dead supreme leader around
23:41
Speaker 2: the country, the leader killed by the US on day
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Speaker 2: one of the war, and by last Friday, getting mosques
23:46
Speaker 2: around Iran to call for American blood. And then there,
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Speaker 2: of course the lies that around boasting, oh we just
23:54
Speaker 2: killed another three American soldiers in Qait, aren't we doing well?
23:58
Speaker 1: In Russia? State media of course lapping it up, But
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Speaker 1: it's all lies to the Americans. No Americans killed.
24:04
Speaker 2: Joining me is Michael Schubridge, a former senior defense official
24:06
Speaker 2: and now founder and director of Strategic Analysis Australia.
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Speaker 1: Michael, very good to talk to you. What is going
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Speaker 1: on with this spar It's half on, it's half off,
24:16
Speaker 1: it's stop it start. It shows no American resolve at all.
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Speaker 7: No, Andrew, I think that's what the Iranians are thinking too.
24:25
Speaker 7: So turns out the fourteen point Memorandum of Understanding didn't
24:30
Speaker 7: agree anything, even the simple things like is the Strait
24:34
Speaker 7: of Home was going to be open? So the US
24:36
Speaker 7: and Iran have been trading strikes in and around the Strait.
24:40
Speaker 7: But what's new now is Iran has escalated. It's now
24:43
Speaker 7: attacked six Gulf states, and it's made those threats against
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Speaker 7: the Israeli Prime minister, against the US president and other
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Speaker 7: senior US figures. And President Trump took it seriously enough
24:56
Speaker 7: that he didn't fly back home on his new Katari jet.
24:59
Speaker 7: He went back to the old Air Force one. So
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Speaker 7: those two things are really testing. Is America going to
25:06
Speaker 7: escalate or are they going to fold to Iran?
25:11
Speaker 1: Oh? So true.
25:12
Speaker 2: Look, and I said this was besire. There was another
25:16
Speaker 2: weird development on the weekend. You had hardline protests in
25:19
Speaker 2: your own They've been calling for the deaths of Americans.
25:21
Speaker 2: They blamed for this war, not just Trump, but you know,
25:23
Speaker 2: including Republican Senator Lindsay Graham, a Trump confidant. Russian President
25:30
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin's favorite philosopher, Alexander Dugan, known as Putin's Brain,
25:34
Speaker 2: also called for Lindsay Graham to be killed. Well, Graham
25:37
Speaker 2: was in Kiev on Saturday to support Ukraine, flew home
25:42
Speaker 2: and indeed died suddenly yesterday. And now a very popular
25:45
Speaker 2: Iranian propaganda channel that uses lego figures Ai Ones is
25:49
Speaker 2: claiming that Iran actually killed Lindsay Graham, and other names
25:53
Speaker 2: will follow, like Laura Luma, a prominent conservative blogger. Although
25:57
Speaker 2: the doctor say no is actually a massive heart attack.
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Speaker 2: The propaganda Michael in this war is insane, isn't it?
26:03
Speaker 2: Or do you buy the conspiracy theory?
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Speaker 7: I think it is insane, but it's effective because you know,
26:10
Speaker 7: the Russians have shown how powerful propaganda can be, and
26:14
Speaker 7: the Iranians too, So this set of conspiracy theories around
26:19
Speaker 7: Lindsey Graham will just grow, I think. And because he
26:23
Speaker 7: was someone close to Donald Trump, add that to the
26:25
Speaker 7: death threats against Donald Trump. That could well be a
26:29
Speaker 7: driver of what President Trump does next. So it looks
26:32
Speaker 7: a bit strange and a bit like it is just
26:37
Speaker 7: a propaganda play, but it could have an effect in
26:39
Speaker 7: the real world.
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Speaker 2: Well, particularly because it's such a vain man, you know,
26:46
Speaker 2: everything centers around him. An attack on his person, oh
26:49
Speaker 2: my gosh, I think he would take that extremely seriously, indeed.
26:53
Speaker 2: But it also does it also indicate it's not just
26:58
Speaker 2: a form of asymmetrical war here, like Iran using anything it.
27:02
Speaker 1: Confined to get an edge of America.
27:05
Speaker 2: It's tweets from the Speaker of Parliament, for instance, very
27:09
Speaker 2: someone clearly with a Western training is behind them.
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Speaker 1: They're very effective.
27:14
Speaker 2: But apart from that, America's not dealing with an enemy
27:19
Speaker 2: it would recognize as rational, well not.
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Speaker 7: In America's terms anyways. So the idea that the Iranians
27:26
Speaker 7: are deeply financially motivated and they desperately want to get
27:30
Speaker 7: their hands on cash. What they want is long term
27:33
Speaker 7: control of the Strait because they know that will deliver
27:36
Speaker 7: many benefits, including in their relations with other Gulf state partners.
27:41
Speaker 7: So they're interested in power domestically and regionally, and that's
27:46
Speaker 7: a very different motivation to the people advising President Trump
27:50
Speaker 7: and President Trump himself.
27:54
Speaker 2: And of course they very much want the return of
27:57
Speaker 2: the Hidden Imam after centuries and centuries of vanishing, and
28:01
Speaker 2: that will depend on a cataclysm cataclysm on Earth before
28:05
Speaker 2: he returns. So really, I don't think Trump's got any
28:07
Speaker 2: idea how some of his adversaries think, Michael Schubridge, thank
28:11
Speaker 2: you so much, indeed for your time.
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Speaker 1: After the break.
28:16
Speaker 2: The farmer identifying as Aboriginal gives a university oration on
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Speaker 2: the weekend claiming Aboriginies have been farmers for sixty thousand years.
28:25
Speaker 1: And what did the ABC say about that? Well, you
28:28
Speaker 1: just guess.
28:33
Speaker 2: Now, just dropped a new poll out, new poll out
28:37
Speaker 2: just for those that one nation fans that were thinking,
28:41
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's all over. It's only in Victoria,
28:44
Speaker 2: but it's six and a half thousand people.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's a lot by Redbridge Commission, by
28:49
Speaker 1: the Trades Saw Council. For some reason.
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Speaker 2: One nation is ahead in Victoria twenty seven percent, Coalition
28:55
Speaker 2: twenty six, Labor twenty six, one nation ahead one point.
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Speaker 2: So still not over for one nation at the very least.
29:04
Speaker 2: It's still a lot of trouble for the coalition. Are
29:09
Speaker 2: universities Meanwhile, at universities, they are helping to kill reason
29:13
Speaker 2: in this country and they ABC the same. Latest example
29:19
Speaker 2: this is Josh Gilbert. He identifiers as Aboriginal because he
29:23
Speaker 2: says one of his ancestors two hundred years ago married
29:26
Speaker 2: an Aboriginal woman. And he last week gave a narration
29:29
Speaker 2: at the Charles Sturt University on and here we go
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal agriculture, which he told the ABC on Saturday have
29:37
Speaker 2: been practiced here for sixty thousand years.
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Speaker 8: Indigenous knowledge out there is really an opportunity to dig
29:44
Speaker 8: through the archives. It's about getting the history books and
29:48
Speaker 8: really telling the biggest truth around what Australian conditions have
29:53
Speaker 8: been like, how we've adapted to climate change, how we
29:56
Speaker 8: have ensured that farming has happened here for over sixty
29:59
Speaker 8: thousand years.
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Speaker 1: How you would know any of that because there were
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Speaker 1: no archoves and no records.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the evidence that averages were here sixty thousand
30:10
Speaker 2: years ago is based on a single dubious study in
30:14
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory which has been heavily challenged by two others,
30:18
Speaker 2: and the evidence that averages were farmers virtually non existent.
30:22
Speaker 2: In fact, in this book on this Gilbert mentions fish
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Speaker 2: traps of which very very very few have been found,
30:28
Speaker 2: as well as other examples he gives in the book
30:30
Speaker 2: of Burning the Country which was in farming, planting tubers
30:33
Speaker 2: and native foods which anthropologists said didn't happen, and using
30:37
Speaker 2: fence like structures that herd kangaroos, which anyone who's gone
30:40
Speaker 2: kangaroo hunting would know would be about pretty much useless
30:44
Speaker 2: and not worth a bother abiage it is to construct
30:46
Speaker 2: even if you find any remains of them.
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Speaker 1: But the ABC goes with the good vibes.
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Speaker 9: The history of agriculture in Australia goes back thousands of years,
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Speaker 9: with evidence showing indigenous people would building dams and growing
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Speaker 9: food long before colonization.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, and if you think this.
31:08
Speaker 2: Theory of averidges as farmers seems oddly familiar, particularly on
31:13
Speaker 2: the ABC which has been flogging it, you'd be right
31:16
Speaker 2: because it is the debunk theory of fake aboriginy. Bruce
31:19
Speaker 2: Pasco in his book Dark Emu Bruce Pasco is as
31:24
Speaker 2: hard as a professor by.
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Speaker 1: Melbourne University, Shame on them, or you can call him
31:30
Speaker 1: Uncle Bruce.
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Speaker 2: Well, he is Uncle Bruce through Josh Gilbert, an honorary
31:34
Speaker 2: Aboriginal title. Despite Pasco having not a single Aboraginal ancestor
31:38
Speaker 2: he's ever identified.
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Speaker 8: I've had the great joy of working with Uncle Bruce
31:43
Speaker 8: and really understanding his work, of being able to go
31:46
Speaker 8: to his farm and really enjoy the native food sector
31:50
Speaker 8: that still exists in Australia today.
31:54
Speaker 1: On your ABC in your universities. What hope do we have?
31:59
Speaker 1: Join me?
31:59
Speaker 2: Alissa, former foreign correspondent, founder of A Day Media Asconi's
32:03
Speaker 2: host Niki to Georgia.
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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Lisa, I just so get it.
32:06
Speaker 2: Why this desperation to claim that averages were farmers in
32:11
Speaker 2: Pascos and narration in living in towns of a thousand people,
32:16
Speaker 2: you know, ridiculous stuff with pens for animals. It's just
32:22
Speaker 2: because of a shame that they were hunter gatherers. As
32:24
Speaker 2: if that's too you know, oh that sounds too primitive.
32:27
Speaker 2: Better elevate them into yeoman farmers, a bit like English.
32:31
Speaker 1: And why is the agency going along with it?
32:33
Speaker 10: It's just reshaping history, it's recasting what farming is farming
32:37
Speaker 10: is if you're talking about domesticated crops, you're talking about livestock.
32:41
Speaker 10: You're not talking about land management, which is what the
32:44
Speaker 10: Aboriginal ancestry is related to. And if you think about
32:48
Speaker 10: what they're claiming right now is that they have the
32:51
Speaker 10: better knowledge and the historical knowledge to lead our farming industry.
32:56
Speaker 10: I looked at the stats few the one percent of
32:58
Speaker 10: the workforce across the other cultural sector is indigenous. But
33:01
Speaker 10: what you have is somebody who is saying he is
33:04
Speaker 10: an indigenous man, he has all of this knowledge and
33:07
Speaker 10: he can shape the way farming has done in this country.
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Speaker 11: Do you know, I see, Andrew, I see an opportunity
33:12
Speaker 11: for money.
33:12
Speaker 10: Because if you look at the cultural fire strategy that's
33:15
Speaker 10: in place, they're geting twenty two million dollars in Victoria
33:17
Speaker 10: alone just to fund cultural fire strategy in that state,
33:22
Speaker 10: and it's replicated in various other states and territories across
33:24
Speaker 10: this country. So watch this space, wait and see how
33:27
Speaker 10: far they push this to say, well, okay, now you
33:29
Speaker 10: need indigenous guidance.
33:30
Speaker 11: You need to start paying us for advice on farming.
33:35
Speaker 2: Well, as for this guy, I have no idea what
33:36
Speaker 2: his motivations are, but I suspect that not commercial like that.
33:40
Speaker 2: I think he's just very much enjoying identifying his Aboriginal
33:43
Speaker 2: and being able to preach so nobly. But I don't
33:47
Speaker 2: get I don't get Dnika, why the ABC is going
33:50
Speaker 2: along with you? So they promoted Pascal all along, right,
33:53
Speaker 2: they know they know the evidence that he's not Aboriginal.
33:57
Speaker 1: His theory of indigenous.
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Speaker 2: Agriculture has been debunked by anthropologists as scholars and all
34:04
Speaker 2: that it's nonsense, and yet they presented it's the truth.
34:08
Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 12: Well, I can't help but think it's maybe they think
34:10
Speaker 12: it's politically correct to try and change it from the
34:13
Speaker 12: words farmer or to hunt a gatherer or vice versa.
34:17
Speaker 12: And don't forget Andrew, it was the ABC's head of
34:20
Speaker 12: Education that said that Bruce Pasco's Dark Emu was not
34:25
Speaker 12: only a resource for school students, but also a resource
34:28
Speaker 12: for all of Australia. They pumped so much money into
34:32
Speaker 12: promoting that book. They absolutely lapped it up.
34:35
Speaker 5: And where is it now?
34:36
Speaker 12: And I just can't help but wonder if it's this
34:38
Speaker 12: idea of trying to reshape our history which is such
34:42
Speaker 12: a shame because and it's not just the ABC. You
34:44
Speaker 12: mentioned universities, it's educational institutions, it's schools.
34:48
Speaker 11: It's almost as.
34:48
Speaker 12: If they want to see our history as through the
34:50
Speaker 12: eye of the beholder, what may or may not have happened,
34:54
Speaker 12: rather than we know what is fact or fiction. And
34:57
Speaker 12: I worry actually that it's brainwashing the next generation. And
35:00
Speaker 12: I mean, you look what's happening in schools. They're forced
35:02
Speaker 12: to apologize to the stolen generation. Sorry days here and there.
35:07
Speaker 12: But it's a shame that our history is being reworked
35:11
Speaker 12: for the sake of what political correctness. I mean, who
35:14
Speaker 12: is it trying to appease? And I can only think
35:16
Speaker 12: it's trying to appease one group and those originals.
35:20
Speaker 2: You well, I think truth died when people started talking
35:22
Speaker 2: about my truth, your truth.
35:24
Speaker 1: You just knew.
35:25
Speaker 2: And now I think that people get a certain moral,
35:28
Speaker 2: you know, status for believing the most improbable things, no
35:32
Speaker 2: matter how big and untruth it is. If you can
35:34
Speaker 2: believe it, then you really really must be good talking
35:38
Speaker 2: about that. Climate change. Climate change means Sir Chris Bowen
35:43
Speaker 2: is going Lisa to Turkey in November for the latest
35:47
Speaker 2: UN Climate conference, and it's actually offering six hundred and
35:51
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars of our money to anyone who wants
35:55
Speaker 2: to come in come with him in a cheer squad.
35:58
Speaker 2: Essentially is giving up to twenty thousand dollars per person
36:02
Speaker 2: to people who want to come with him to supposedly
36:04
Speaker 2: in a quote, enhanced inclusion and diversity of Australian participation
36:08
Speaker 2: in this conference and hang out at the Australian.
36:11
Speaker 1: National Pavilion looking very diverse. So of course they say
36:15
Speaker 1: you have to be to get this money.
36:17
Speaker 2: You have to be Aboriginal, Australian or youth over the
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Speaker 2: age of eighteen or some other supposedly underrepresent a minority.
36:22
Speaker 1: Is this a good use of our money? Lisa?
36:25
Speaker 9: No?
36:25
Speaker 11: Is that point surprise you at all that the answer
36:27
Speaker 11: is no? But let's look at this.
36:29
Speaker 10: If you look at the sums, it equates to around
36:31
Speaker 10: thirty two people in his cheer squad that he'll take over.
36:33
Speaker 13: There.
36:34
Speaker 10: An organization and not for profit who is aligned with
36:37
Speaker 10: Chris Bowen's Green Dream has to put somebody forward who
36:41
Speaker 10: meets that criteria. So here's my question, Andrew, do you
36:44
Speaker 10: think will Shackle, the young eighteen year old who represents
36:48
Speaker 10: youth of Australia will be on that list? Because I
36:50
Speaker 10: tell you what, he has thirteen days to get his
36:52
Speaker 10: application in to be there along with Chris Bowen. I
36:55
Speaker 10: don't think I might be surprised, but I don't think
36:57
Speaker 10: he will actually get the twenty grand to fund his
37:00
Speaker 10: trip there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this goes right to Adanika, where you're judging adversity
37:07
Speaker 2: by your skin color or religion, not by your point
37:11
Speaker 2: of view, which is far more important.
37:13
Speaker 1: They won't.
37:14
Speaker 2: This won't go to someone who's diverse enough not to
37:17
Speaker 2: believe the climate change is a major issue, and to
37:20
Speaker 2: believe in fact that nuclear power is the way to go.
37:22
Speaker 1: They're not going to get a grunt.
37:24
Speaker 11: Oh no, of course not.
37:25
Speaker 12: But maybe I don't know, Andrew, Is this the key,
37:27
Speaker 12: the vissing link we've all been waiting for. Is this
37:29
Speaker 12: what's going to bring our power bills down? Taking a
37:32
Speaker 12: cohort of people under the banner of DEI over to
37:36
Speaker 12: the COP summit.
37:37
Speaker 8: I don't know.
37:37
Speaker 12: Maybe this is and you know I was thinking about
37:39
Speaker 12: this if we break it down right, So Chris Bowen's
37:42
Speaker 12: charging US one hundred and fifty million dollars as it
37:44
Speaker 12: is to be the COP president. He's already seen overseen
37:47
Speaker 12: our power bills going up. They just went up again
37:49
Speaker 12: on July first. He bungled the Adelaide COP Summit. We
37:53
Speaker 12: got charged for that. That was a waste of time, money,
37:55
Speaker 12: and resources. And after all this, he still gets to
37:58
Speaker 12: be the part time Energy Minister, and now he spent
38:01
Speaker 12: six hundred and fifty thousand dollars taking DEI candidates over there.
38:07
Speaker 12: You know, if he was working in the private sector,
38:09
Speaker 12: he would have been sacked already. But here we are
38:11
Speaker 12: stuck with Chris Bowen and it just gets better and better.
38:16
Speaker 2: But Lisa is the fundamental thing is what are these
38:21
Speaker 2: people actually supposed to do? I mean, are they supposed to,
38:24
Speaker 2: you know, dress in some sort of national costume or
38:28
Speaker 2: ethnic costume to look really diverse. What are they supposed
38:32
Speaker 2: to do with They're supposed to drink kaver by the
38:35
Speaker 2: by the bar or what is it that we're getting
38:38
Speaker 2: out of this six hundred and fifty thousand.
38:40
Speaker 11: Well, exactly right. And I looked at it as what
38:42
Speaker 11: is the money go towards?
38:43
Speaker 10: So it's travel costs, it's also meals and other expenses.
38:47
Speaker 10: So I'm curious to know what those other expenses are.
38:50
Speaker 10: What's happening, What time are they expected to be at
38:52
Speaker 10: this at this certain stand cheering on Chris Bowen?
38:55
Speaker 11: What are they doing in the after hours?
38:56
Speaker 10: You're right, it will just be this diversity checklist of
38:59
Speaker 10: people who are there doing goodness knows what and achieving
39:02
Speaker 10: pretty much nothing except costing us an awful lot of
39:04
Speaker 10: money at a time when everyone at home is struggling
39:07
Speaker 10: to pay their power bills.
39:09
Speaker 11: That money six hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
39:11
Speaker 10: Put it into defense, put it into health, put it
39:13
Speaker 10: into something that's actually going to help us as a country.
39:18
Speaker 1: It's so weird to Nika. I mean, I still don't
39:20
Speaker 1: get it.
39:21
Speaker 2: So they have a little briefing at the beginning of
39:23
Speaker 2: the day and Bowen says to them, I want you to.
39:26
Speaker 1: Do what What does he say?
39:30
Speaker 12: You know, I don't know what he tells them. Andrew,
39:33
Speaker 12: I just I can't answer your question because I am
39:36
Speaker 12: absolutely perfect perplexed by this. I don't know if they're
39:39
Speaker 12: there for photo opportunities. Are they standing there with their
39:42
Speaker 12: thumbs up? We love Australia, We're here to represent I.
39:47
Speaker 1: Don't know. I'm so confused.
39:50
Speaker 2: Flags right, Maybe that's it carrying his bags. Maybe at
39:56
Speaker 2: least they'd be useful. Lisa god D, Nika di Giojio,
39:59
Speaker 2: thank you so much aded for your time. After the
40:01
Speaker 2: break the very strange murder of a British politician to
40:10
Speaker 2: another strange and tragic death. The murder of former British
40:15
Speaker 2: politician and Whittickomb in her home on Wednesday, beaten to
40:19
Speaker 2: death allegedly by a man who traveled three hundred miles
40:22
Speaker 2: or five hundred kilometers with a poll to get to her.
40:26
Speaker 2: Whittickm was a member of the Conservative Party and the
40:29
Speaker 2: Minister for a while, but then joined the anti immigration
40:31
Speaker 2: reform party of larger Farage, which may explain my Sky
40:36
Speaker 2: News UK which she's different does not share our editorial values.
40:43
Speaker 2: Had this farewell for her.
40:46
Speaker 1: She was very much a spinster.
40:49
Speaker 13: I mean, by the end, I think you probably described
40:52
Speaker 13: her as an old maid.
40:54
Speaker 10: Reportedly she claimed that she was a virgin.
41:00
Speaker 2: And while Whittickum is not much known in Australia and Britain,
41:03
Speaker 2: she was an icon for a gameness and her defense
41:07
Speaker 2: of free speech.
41:09
Speaker 4: Always now, only two sorts of people are pose free speech,
41:17
Speaker 4: and they are at opposite ends of the scale, snowflakes
41:22
Speaker 4: and totalitarians. Nobody has the right to live their lives
41:28
Speaker 4: being protected from a fence, or from insult or from
41:33
Speaker 4: hurt feelings. It is an occupational hazard of living in
41:39
Speaker 4: society and if you really can't take it, become a hermit.
41:43
Speaker 4: And that is something that I have believed all my life,
41:48
Speaker 4: that you succeed by defeating your opponent, not by wishing
41:54
Speaker 4: him away. You get nowhere by trying not to hear
42:00
Speaker 4: what is being said.
42:04
Speaker 2: Joining me from London is a regular commentator on a
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Speaker 2: Monday talk TV host Samara Gill, Samara, great to see
42:10
Speaker 2: you again. Police have said they didn't think there was
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Speaker 2: a political motive.
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Speaker 1: In this attack.
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Speaker 2: This guy, though, travel halfway through Britain to get to
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Speaker 2: What do we know about the man of arrested anything?
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Speaker 14: Look, Andrew, we know that they've arrested a twenty eight
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Speaker 14: year old man on Friday night. They arrested someone who
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Speaker 14: was twenty six years old, and you do think, you know,
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Speaker 14: that wasn't kind of if it was politically motivated, which
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Speaker 14: they're not ruling out completely, how many twenty six twenty
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Speaker 14: eight year olds would even know who Anne Whitdocombe is
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Speaker 14: because she was much more popular with the older demographic.
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Speaker 14: But you're right, we know that he drove from nearly
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Speaker 14: three hundred miles away, and if it wasn't politically motivated,
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Speaker 14: it does make me think then why would he do that?
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Speaker 14: There are also kind of rumors here and there that
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Speaker 14: it might have been a family member, someone who is
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Speaker 14: disinfranch We know that Anne had a glittering career in television,
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Speaker 14: and you know, she made a very decent amount of money.
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Speaker 14: But we know that it definitely well, we can't rule
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Speaker 14: it out, but it wouldn't have been a robbery. Nothing
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Speaker 14: was taken from Whittacombe's rest. But everyone's in shock over here. Andrew, honestly,
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Speaker 14: I would only compare her to sort of like a
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Speaker 14: John Howard, Bronwyn, Bishop Hans and type, someone who was
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Speaker 14: really a formidable political character and someone that they just
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Speaker 14: don't make anymore in politics, someone who had really really
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Speaker 14: strong convictions. And you know, on I think it was
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Speaker 14: Thursday or Friday, I got a text from a senior
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Speaker 14: reform figure when everyone was mourning her death, thinking it
43:38
Speaker 14: was just of old age, and it just goes, she's
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Speaker 14: murdered dot dot dot, and I just got goosebumps because
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Speaker 14: although we don't know what this was really about yet,
43:48
Speaker 14: and that's kind of the mystery and intrigue and horribleness
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Speaker 14: of it all, we do know that, you know, the
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Speaker 14: attacks to the right of politics, the physical attacks and
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Speaker 14: the violence is a big issue that is growing and
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Speaker 14: growing across the West, from Charlie Kirk's murder to acts
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Speaker 14: of violence really across Europe against politicians.
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Speaker 9: It's a big, big issue.
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Speaker 2: Now, I said that we comb had moved to reform.
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Speaker 2: That's Nagel Farage's and Immigration Party. I think Foranch seems
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Speaker 2: have made a big mistake. We've talked about this last
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Speaker 2: week by quitting a seat to run again for it
44:28
Speaker 2: to supposedly show that voters back him, just when this
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Speaker 2: parliamentary inquiry into his failure to declared gifts from a
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Speaker 2: billionaire and from a former criminal. And if this inquiry
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Speaker 2: finds against him, they could order a by election on
44:42
Speaker 2: top of this by election if he wins this, but
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Speaker 2: the big parties refuse to run in this election, leaving
44:48
Speaker 2: him against Count Binface, a man dressed as a rubbish
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Speaker 2: bin whose platform is that he is not Forage.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people really don't like Farage is in
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Speaker 1: any danger now.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, this was proving impossible to explain to an American
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Speaker 14: audience when I was on one of our sister channels
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Speaker 14: over the weekend. They just don't get it. But I
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Speaker 14: kind of compare it to what happened with Farrage was
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Speaker 14: sort of Nixon's nineteen fifty two Checkers moment, where he
45:17
Speaker 14: was under a lot of scrutiny over public finances, and
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Speaker 14: he started to think that, you know, he understood democratic
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Speaker 14: legitimacy comes from voters and not elites, and that's essentially
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Speaker 14: what Farage was trying to do. But you're right, unfortunately
45:31
Speaker 14: the establishment has kind of turned against him. They're not
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Speaker 14: going to run any people in what they call a
45:37
Speaker 14: sham election, and you're right, it's kind of full and
45:40
Speaker 14: flatten its face for Farrage because now he's just up
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Speaker 14: against a bin. He's running in a safe seat that
45:47
Speaker 14: everyone knows that he'll win, and if he is found
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Speaker 14: guilty within this parliamentary investigation, then it is going to
45:55
Speaker 14: be another by election. So although what I thought was
45:58
Speaker 14: a sort of political master stroke earlier on in the week,
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Speaker 14: I am starting to think that they didn't wargame this
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Speaker 14: up at Reform HQ. I don't think they foresaw that
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Speaker 14: the other parties would pull out and leave Farage somewhat totally,
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Speaker 14: sort of naked as the tide goes out. It's just
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Speaker 14: terrible what's actually happened to him. Politically, and I think
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Speaker 14: that if he doesn't play this properly, it could be
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Speaker 14: the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Of the end. I think that's a real danger.
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Speaker 2: Now all these reform volunteers are going to go to
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Speaker 2: his constituency to win help him win an election instead
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Speaker 2: of finding, say, you know, in Manchester or something like
46:37
Speaker 2: that for the new mayoral thing. Now that their mayor
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Speaker 2: has become the new prime minister. This count binface is
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Speaker 2: actually a comedian called John Harvey, and you know he
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Speaker 2: would actually John Harvey, not the bin, would actually be.
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Speaker 1: The MP if they win.
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Speaker 2: So it seems wrong to me that every genius have
46:56
Speaker 2: seen goes along with his joke, interviewing as if really
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Speaker 2: is an intergalactic bin. Every journalist, though except this one,
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Speaker 2: have looked.
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Speaker 1: Why don't you been off the bin on newsnight? Now
47:09
Speaker 1: we know that your name is John and we know
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Speaker 1: really a lot about you. Isn't this time for serious
47:15
Speaker 1: times to bin off the bin? Oh? Here we go?
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Speaker 13: I mean, has anyone here seen Return of the Jedi?
47:21
Speaker 13: Nobody wants to know what's underneath a recycle and it's disgusting,
47:25
Speaker 13: it's absolutely putifying. No, No, if you want to be
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Speaker 13: serious with me, I'll tell you you want to talk
47:30
Speaker 13: to Count Benface, and then you get me on Newsnight
47:32
Speaker 13: and you start to try to deconstruct a character. I
47:35
Speaker 13: would say, what are we doing here on a program
47:38
Speaker 13: which used to construct proper investigative journalism and now is
47:42
Speaker 13: a souped up podcast?
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Speaker 2: Now, Samarians, shouldn't every journists actually do the same. So no,
47:48
Speaker 2: you not have been from a out of space. You
47:50
Speaker 2: are some comedian inside a costume, and we assist the
47:53
Speaker 2: knowing what you'd actually do if you were elected.
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Speaker 14: I mean, this is British politics for you, isn't it
47:59
Speaker 14: an the state of it?
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Speaker 9: Andrew?
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Speaker 14: I mean Count Binface actually went to Oxford. He is
48:04
Speaker 14: the establishment, you know, he's he used to work for
48:07
Speaker 14: the BBC as a comedy writer. So you've got actual
48:11
Speaker 14: left wing backers like Dale Vince who have given millions
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Speaker 14: to Labor saying that they will give money to him
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Speaker 14: in order to go against Farage. So it's becoming a
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Speaker 14: little bit more serious than the fascical joke that even
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Speaker 14: Count and I really really think that, yes, I agree
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Speaker 14: we shouldn't really give him the respect that he wants,
48:30
Speaker 14: but he's ran in a couple of elections and if
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Speaker 14: he's going to split the vote.
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Speaker 1: He might Samara Gill, thank you so much for your Tom.
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Speaker 1: He might have. This is Sherry, hosted by Kayla Bond.
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Speaker 1: Good Night,