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Claude Stauffer: God’s Patience With US & The Power Of The Holy Spirit · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazo.
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  Hello, brothers and sisters and Christ, friends, family.
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  I hope you're ready to be encouraged today and maybe challenged and maybe inspired and
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  informed.
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  Got my brother, Claude Stoffer, Calvary Chapel of Hope, he pastors in Amityville, New
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  York.
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  And there's the website there, Calvarychappelofhope.org.
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  And in the second half of today's podcast, we'll talk about a brand new book.
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  Actually, it's new this year that he wrote The Spirit Acts.
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  It's an inductive study of the book of Acts.
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  Talk about the early church, the power of the Holy Spirit.
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  And we'll touch on that.
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  It's a big, as you can see, I mean, I don't know if you can see, there we go, I got, I'll
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  turn it sideways.
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  There we go.
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  Look at that.
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  He says it's over 800 pages, I believe him.
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  So Claude, brother, good to see you.
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  Thanks for your time today.
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  It's good to be here, David.
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  All right.
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  Always wonderful to be here.
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  Yeah.
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  Always good to catch up with you.
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  And let's catch up on your mission's trip.
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  You were in Uganda before we jump into the topics today.
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  Tell us about the trips and takeaways and bullet points for you.
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  In mid to the late July, I went on a mission's trip to Calvary Chapel, Ashunga, which is
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  in Uganda.
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  The Uganda Kids Project, you can look it up online.
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  It's an awesome project, a good friend of mine by the name of Bill James.
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  He's a retired police officer about 12 years ago.
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  He was called by the Lord to go to Uganda.
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  He went there.
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  He purchased a portion of property.
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  And all he had was some K-Mart tents and a hole in the ground for a bathroom.
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  And if you go on his website, it's really truly incredible what the Lord has done.
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  The Lord has a complete, he's got 500 kids in a primary school and another 50 to 70 kids
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  in a high school.
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  He's got a medical clinic, a full school and everything.
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  I mean, it's really, it's amazing what the Lord has done.
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  And we had an incredible time, we ministered to all the young people there.
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  We had a pastor's conference that we did there.
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  Then we visited a couple of school, secular schools where we shared the gospel and so well
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  received.
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  And we also went on a safari at the end of the trip, which was kind of eye opening.
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  I mean, honestly, the scariest animal on earth is a baboon.
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  It was like, it was, that's a scary, it's like a little man with huge teeth.
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  It's like, it was scary.
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  But we had a, but it was a wonderful time.
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  It was a really, really, really wonderful time.
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  But what was that website again?
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  You mentioned?
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  Well, it's the Uganda Kids Project.
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  Okay.
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  If you just, if you just Google, let it do a internet search and Bill James and his wife,
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  Danielle is, they have a, you know, he's, he's, he has, his own children, he's adopted
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  children.
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  Yes, Uganda Kids Project.
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  There it is.
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  I mean, you know, David, I'm very particular about any ministry that I would associate
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  myself with or that I would support.
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  And this is one of those ministries where, you know, without reservation, you can support
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  what's going on there.
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  He's such a, such a servant of the Lord.
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  It's really amazing what the Lord has done there.
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  So praise God.
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  And so you're back.
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  You've, you're probably, you've got your perspective refreshed and your face encouraged
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  and, you know, after being on a trip like that, it's, it can really impact it.
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  It's about a, it's about a 30 hour one-way trip.
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  Wow.
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  So it's about, it's about, I would say about 20, 24 hours on the plane to one with one
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  stop.
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  And then another six to eight hours on the road by bus.
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  Oh my.
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  This is a long trip.
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  But once you get there and you're around all those beautiful children, it's just a wonderful,
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  it's just a wonderful time.
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  That's not, I can't wait to go back.
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  Oh, praise God.
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  Lord Bling, that'll happen.
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  Well, before we get into what we want to talk about the Jeremiah 18 hope article you
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  wrote earlier, I think within the last month or so.
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  And it's at shepherdofhope.org, friends.
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  You can check that website shepherdofhope.org.
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  Before we do that, there's another post you put up and it says eternal security.
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  John 1028 says, and I give them eternal life and they shall never perish.
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  Neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand.
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  Before we go on, Claude, just encourage our friends, family, and Christ here, because
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  we're going through some really incredible, unprecedented times of trial, of upheaval,
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  even in the worldwide, but in America, uncertainty and angst and division and all this nonsense
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  that can kind of throw you off and maybe shake your faith a little bit.
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  That's why I love to come back to the basics, eternal security, just why did you decide
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  to write this one now and just tell us briefly about it?
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  Well, part of the reason why I wrote it was that I am presently teaching through the book
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  of Romans and just happened to be in chapter 8 and this past Sunday, I taught on verses
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  26 to 30.
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  And what's so important to when you go to a portion of scripture like that, there are portions
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  of Romans that are very hotly debated theologically, but I think if we can never lose track of the
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  practical application, and the book of Romans was written, it's really a perfect parallel
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  to the times we're in now, the historical context of the book of Romans is that the church
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  in Rome was under a tremendous persecution and so when we see, especially the last portion
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  of the book of Romans 8, what we see is, you know, Romans 8 is about life and the spirit.
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  And it verse 26 says that the spirit helps our weakness and so when we read this and we
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  look at, we look at verse 29, as it says, you know, God has predestined us to be conformed
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  to the likeness of his son and in the next and in verses 29 and 30, he talks about, you
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  know, those he justified, he also glorified, well, you know, that if you look at that in terms
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  of the persecution and the life threatening circumstances of the church in Rome, it's
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  very encouraging because, you know, when you're persecuted or when someone, you know,
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  maybe, maybe tries to gaslight you or to, or to just persecute your oppress you in some
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  way, you might sometimes initially think, what did I do to bring this on? Am I, did I
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  do something that God is allowing this to happen to me? You know, am I, have I done something
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  wrong? And so when, when Paul speaks about this assurance, right, this eternal security,
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  he's saying, no, you haven't done something wrong. When you're weak or when you're doubting
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  or when you're going through difficulties, the Holy Spirit will be there to help you
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  to pray, according to the will of the Lord, and you can be certain that the one whom God
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  calls, he's just, he justifies you, he's justified, you've answered his call, you're justified
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  and you will be glorified. So it's, it's, you know, there's a, our future destiny is
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  certain, it's secure. And so, you know, for the times we're living in now, when there
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  is so much, so much uncertainty and so much, you know, Christians are being more, more
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  marginalized, they're being isolated, they're going to be targeted. And ultimately, I believe
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  that there's persecution. If the Lord should carry, there's persecution, outright persecution
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  in our, in our future. And if you remember back just a few years ago, with the whole COVID crisis,
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  you know, whether or not it was a pandemic or a pandemic, that's up to debate. But if you
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  noticed, they kept, they kept, they kept, you know, stores with where you can buy alcohol
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  open, right? And they kept rolling, other stuff, but churches, they closed. That's, that's
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  discriminatory, you know, that's a very subtle, might be soft persecution, but it is persecution.
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  And, you know, fortunately, you had some pastors that, you know, took a stand and, and
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  now, you know, there's still some pastors that are still battling in the courts over penalties,
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  financial penalties, you know, so I think that when you look at Romans chapter eight in these
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  verses, there's great encouragement because we're not in it alone. The Holy Spirit is there to
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  help us in our times of weakness. And we can be certain and secure, eternally secure that, you
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  know, like it says, like Paul says to the Philippians, right, that I am confident that he who began a
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  good work in you will carry it on to completion in Christ Jesus. Amen. So pray to the Lord for that,
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  you know? Amen. Thank you, Lord, for the assurance that we can have eternal life and what a great
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  hope we have. I want to read Jeremiah 18 as we transition to the Jeremiah hope. And you say
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  America for America, this is interesting. But right after it's the Jeremiah 18, you know, it talks
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  about the potter, the potter in the clay. And God's saying, I'm sovereign cannot deal with you
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  the way the potter deals with clay. And verse seven says at one moment, I might speak concerning a
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  nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down or to destroy. If that nation which I have
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  spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it.
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  So let's dive into this cloud. This is that's a very interesting scripture when it talks about God,
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  you know, can he has the power to uproot, pull down, destroy. But if the nation repents,
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  if it turns from its evil, it says, I will relent. Just just share about, you know, this this topic,
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  this subject. Well, well, sometimes people will quote second Chronicles 714 out of context and
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  apply it right, apply it to the United States. And really, that is a verse that's, you know, was
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  given to Solomon at the time of the dedication of the temple. And it really is, it really does point
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  to or is relevant to specifically Israel. And so, you know, there is a principle there that I believe
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  applies. But, but, you know, if we're going to be more exact in Jeremiah 18 verses 5 through 10
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  in the verses that you read there, that is more applicable. And that should give us great hope
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  because the Lord is very broad there. He says, any nation that I've that I've pronounced judgment
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  upon, if they repent, if they turn to me and cry out to me, that, you know, I will hear them. So,
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  you know, you know, see, the problem with the United States, some people like I've spoken, you know,
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  I'm other people that I consult with about certain books and certain things I've written in books.
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  And when I mentioned to them the possibility of revival or of, you know, like that, they a lot of
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  times what will happen is that they've already given up hope. The United States is always already
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  a done deal. You know, it's, it's over with. There's no chance of redemption. But then I look at a
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  verse like in Jeremiah chapter 18 here. And, and I think to myself, you know, when this revival
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  occur, if you look in, for instance, um, Vanessa, when you look at the southern kingdom of Judah,
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  Vanessa was the most devilish, demonic king in, in all of the reign of Judah. And, uh, it was
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  followed by someone by Ammon, Ammon, his son, who was not much better. And, um, and, uh, it was a
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  terrible time. But then right on the heels of that, you have a great revival that comes through
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  Messiah when they discovered the word of the Lord. And, um, you know, that, that's my hope for our
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  country. I mean, the trouble with our country now is we're in kind of like a, there's kind of a
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  spirit of Isaiah 50 verse, Isaiah 5 verse 20 where it says we're calling evil good and get evil.
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  There's so much deception. We're so deceived in our country that, you know, our, this generation
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  is being indoctrinated. Um, I, I'll tell you, I just, we're so confused. We don't even know
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  what gender we are. And, um, it's just a terrible, terrible time to live in. Do we have it in us
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  to repent? Well, we don't have it in us. Well, the Holy Spirit will help us. And, um, that's what I'm
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  hoping for. I'm still holding out hope. It might be just a thread, you know, a hair's breath of hope.
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  But, um, with the Lord, there's always hope for, you know, nothing is impossible with God,
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  whether or not, whether or not there's an, and there are a ladder days revival, whether or not,
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  there's a revival in our future. We don't, we don't, we know, we can't say one way or another,
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  but we certainly can hope. Yeah, it's possible. I was just thinking that very same thing. Nothing
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  is impossible with God. However, you look around and you look at the, the trajectory and you look
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  at trends. Yeah. And how our decline has, and the, just the massive propaganda and delusion.
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  There's a spirit of confusion and delusion out there. But I want to talk more about this friend.
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  Again, it's over at shepherdofhope.org, the Jeremiah 18 hope for a miracle. Right back with
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  our website worldviewmatters.tv. So Claude, obviously there's always hope. If we're still here,
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  the church has not been removed in the scene. The Holy Spirit is still active. And as we said,
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  I think before we had a little technical glitch before we started, greater is he who is in us
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  than he who's in the world. And we have not been given a spirit of fear, but of power, love,
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  and a sound mind and on and on and on. We're going to talk about the spirit acts, your book on the
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  study on the book of acts in a minute. But share a little bit more about why you think
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  we still can hang on to this hope, even though things don't look promising at all.
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  Well, you know, if you look at the heritage of our country,
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  if you go back in history and you look into early part of the 18th century, like in the early 1700s,
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  where there was a great awakening in the colonies, you look at that and you look at the societal
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  condition, it was of course smaller in number, but in terms of the intensity of the sin,
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  it was very similar. You had jails, were overflowing, bars were act to more than capacity,
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  relationships, families were breaking down, was unsafe for women to walk on the street.
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  You know, there was, there was all kinds of violence. It was a horrible thing. And then what
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  happened, there was, there was this incredible move of the Holy Spirit across the land and the
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  colonies. You know, I'm so blessed to live and I live on Long Island, but I live in close proximity
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  to that, you know, to that area, you know, to New York and to upstate New York and Pennsylvania,
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  New Jersey, New England. These are an area where the Lord moved and I just think to myself that great
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  heritage in some 85 verse six, it says, will you not revive us again that your people may rejoice in
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  you, you know, that's another verse we can cling to because it tells us a few things. First,
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  we have to turn to the Lord for revival. Second, we need to be revived again, we're human beings,
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  we're like leaky vessels, we leak and we and we stray and we get, we wander from the Lord,
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  but still when we come to the Lord, Lord, will you not revive us again that your that your people
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  can rejoice in you, you know, I think the Lord has a greater desire for us to be revived than we do
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  at that part of the problem. And it's got to start with the church, God's people, it's got to
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  start with the church. Lots of Peter said, right? Judgment begins in the house of God. Yeah,
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  and the Lord knows that the church, my brother, there's so there's fewer and fewer churches that
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  that are not just not teaching the Bible, but you know, the church is described by Paul in
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  1 Timothy chapter 3 verse 15 as the ground and pillar of truth. If there's the church is the place
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  that's supposed to be proclaiming the truth, the church is the place where when we look at these
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  world events is the place where you're supposed to make sense of it based on the word. Unfortunately,
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  much of the church, the woke, the woke version of the quote church, I don't know that they
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  even a church anymore, you know, they're looking to the world and looking at worldly trends to see,
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  to try to be relevant with the world. That's not church. The church needs to take the lead,
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  we need to be proclaimers of the truth. Yeah, you've got to put those churches in air quotes,
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  church, because it's just not a true biblical church. The seekers sensitive churches trying to
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  be like the world to attract the world and water down the gospel, water down the word of God.
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  I want to go back to something really quick, Claude, before we talk about your book briefly.
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  Second Chronicle 714, we want to clarify when you said, I believe we take that out of context,
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  I think you and I both agree on that and we make it about America. It's not about America,
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  it was specific to Israel. However, you said principles, the principles of humbling ourselves
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  and praying to God, seeking His face and turning from our wicked ways. That's something we can
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  all do. That's something that church can do. Christians, individuals can do and then he says,
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  I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin and heal their land. Your comment, final comment on that
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  before we move on. Well, if you take second Chronicle 714 and then you take the passage in Jeremiah
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  chapter 18 verses 5 through 10 and you hold them next to each other, there are a lot of similarities
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  there. It involves repentance and turning to the Lord humbly. While second Chronicle 714 is
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  particularly relevant for Israel, there is a principle there that we see carried over and broadly
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  offered to all nations in Jeremiah chapter 18 verses 5 through 10. While it's not correct to refer to
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  second Chronicle 714 in regards to America, there is still a principle there. Some people get a
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  little bit bent out of shape by that and say, you can't refer to that at all. I would agree with
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  them that it's aimed at Israel, but I would disagree with them in a sense that I believe there's
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  a principle there that we seek affirmed in Jeremiah 18. So I want to talk about one more thing,
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  sorry, before we get to your vote because there's a great quote in your article by Martha Gellhorn
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  and people often say with pride, I'm not interested in politics, right? That means they don't
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  vote or whatever. They may as well say, I'm not interested in my standard of living, my health,
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  my job, my rights, my freedoms, my future, or any future. If we mean to keep any control over
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  our world and lives, we must be interested in politics and quote. Now let's clarify, we don't
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  need to be overwhelmed by politics or what's going on, but be engaged as Christians. So there's
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  so much more friends. Go to shepherdofhope.org and look at the Jeremiah 18 hope for America. So
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  let's let's bring up the big book. There it is, the Jeremiah 18 hope. So you wrote this earlier
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  this year, the book of Acts, phenomenal book. And I verse three has me right there when Luke
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  the great doctor and journalist says many convincing proofs in Acts 1 verse 3. Go ahead and share.
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  I know you're going to nutshell it here. We're down to five minutes, but the power of the Holy
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  Spirit and why it's so important to study this book, the book of Acts. Well,
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  the reason this, the book of Acts is one of my favorite books of scripture because
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  it does have these many convincing proofs in it, but these many convincing proofs when we look
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  at the book of Acts, they're laid out for us patterns or aspects of our walk with the Lord that
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  are relevant to our day and will be relevant as long as the Lord carries. And it's so important for
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  as a church, but also individually as Christians to make sure that first of all that we've been
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  born again, given spiritual life by the indwelling Holy Spirit. But secondly, that we have been
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  empowered by the Holy Spirit to serve him. And I believe, you know, the baptism with the Holy
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  Spirit when the Holy Spirit comes upon a person like he did at Pentecost, he gifts those people
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  with certain spiritual gifts. I connect spiritual gifting with the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
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  He gives us these spiritual gifts to serve in the church. You know, David, we know each other,
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  we're getting to know each other much better, but what before I was a Christian speaking in front
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  of people was, is at this zero point on my list of things that I'd like to do. I tell you,
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  I would I would play sick with my mother. So I didn't have to go to school and do oral reports,
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  things like that. But you know, when when I accepted Christ as my savior, I gave him myself
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  completely and I said, Lord, whatever you want to do. And when he empowered me, he gave me this
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  spiritual gift of a pastor teacher and then gave me opportunities to use it and serve in the church
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  with it. And that is just one of the, you know, that confirms to me the reality of the Lord because
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  he so drastically changed me. You know, if anyone is in Christ, they're a new creation. All the old
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  things passed away. Everything has become new and the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, he enables
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  you and equips you to serve in the body of Christ in a way that is way beyond your own personal
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  human resources. And so that's the message of the book of Acts. He takes fishermen, he takes
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  tax collectors, he takes these, you know, people that the world would never look to do such a work.
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  And then he just impacts the entire world. And it's still being impacted by the move of the Holy
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  Spirit. And just the Apostle Paul's conversion and how God prepped that man with his background,
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  where he was born, where he lived, his studies and as a Pharisee and then his conversion and his
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  ability to travel throughout the, all the area they're going on in the missionary journeys and
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  Luke and others, you know, documenting everything. It's, it is phenomenal. But I just happened to
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  open up to this page in your book. It's about halfway through. And I, I opened it up to,
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  have it all memorized. Oh, you don't, I opened it up to, um, second Peter one, 19 through 21,
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  because the book of Acts is the, the Acts of the Holy Spirit. And Peter, Peter says, we have the
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  prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place
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  until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts knowing this first, the no prophecy
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  of scripture is any, of any private interpretation. Prophecy never came by the will of man, but by
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  holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Another translation says as they were
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  carried along by the Holy Spirit and isn't that this study on Acts? Isn't that what the book of
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  Acts is about? The Holy Spirit carrying the telling Paul where to go, where not to go, warning
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  and then empowering. Go ahead, your final thoughts here. Well, my final thoughts are there's a place
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  in the book of Acts where it talks about the the wind blowing in the sails of the ship that
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  Paul was on to move it, right? And the wording that's used there is the same thing. It helps us
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  to understand what the, what the fail noostis or the, the inspiration of God is with his scripture
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  that the Holy Spirit directs an individual by, you know, with his breath, right? Using their
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  personality to, to write down on the pages of the papyrus and the paper, you know, the will of the
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  Lord, the truth of the Lord. And it's just such a wonderful, you know, the word of God is living
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  its active, it's sharper than any double edged sword. It's powerful. And if you, if you're, if you're
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  down, if you're discouraged, if you depressed, if you're distant from, feel like you're distant from
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  the Lord, I just encourage you get along with the Lord, bring your Bible and start to pray and read
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  your, it'll change your life. It'll change your life. Amen. Yeah, you're right. I mean, the word of
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  God is active and powerful. It's living. The book, The Spirit Acts is available also on Amazon
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  friends. Yeah, you can get it there. Also, if you want to look up Clod's teachings, Calvary
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  Chapel of Hope, Amityville, New York, and you're on a radio station there, what, what's the station
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  again? Is it? Oh, WGSS 89.3 FM. Yeah, you can listen, listen to it on to tune in app. And also,
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  if you have, if you want, you can go on your app store, we have a radio station app on our,
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  and the radio in your, for your phone and so on and so forth. Great. And shepherdofhope.org,
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  Clod's blog website, Clod's stuff, or always great to connect with you again. We'll be in touch.
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  Thanks, brother. God bless, bro. All right. You too. Thanks, friends. God bless you, and as always,
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  keep speaking the truth about things that matter.