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ITB: Intel On NFL Draft Prospects, NFL Teams Needs, How Round 1 Shakes Out · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on everybody? Jeff Mosher,
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan, and the big day is now less than
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours away. It is actually Thursday night, eight o'clock.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: I'm bad at math, but anyway, Thursday night, Yeah, thank you.
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: The game with the event, the big event, the first
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: round of the NFL Draft will kick off. And first
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: of all, Adam, I think that after we did you,
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: me and Andrew de Checo did the mock draft, our
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: annual ITB mock draft the other night, we really struggled
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: just in general finding the right pieces which we previewed.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: We said, this is going to be a weird first round,
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: that many of the top talents are players who don't
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: play positional value type positions, and so I'm ready for
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: anything to happen. Six teams have two first round picks.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: That's pretty landmark. I think it's gonna be really interesting
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot to talk about. But yeah, I
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: think that the first round in general is going to
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: be it's gonna be surprising. I'll say that.
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: So on that I had one I had one personal
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: executive saying that his team graded just nine players with
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: first round grades. It's true, first round universal grades. Yep,
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: that's on your point about our mock draft the three
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: of us. Well, that's what made it so tough because
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: you see a need you go, wow, do they really
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: want to take this player there? Well, they have to
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: take someone, they have to turn a card in. And
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: I love when fans go they'll just straight down who
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: wants to trap?
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: It's a bad draft for the first round. Sure, probably
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: twe of these players will be really good players at
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: the next level down the road, but coming into the process,
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: teams don't think this is a very good first round.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: It's that that's the one thing they agree on. Now,
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: every board is different, right, and the boards put together
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: for how a by variety of reasons, by skill set,
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: system fit off the field issues, football character, There's so
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: many variables that go into it. And what I find
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: interesting is some teams in football characters, they don't look
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: at it the same way. Like there's some stuff some
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: teams are putting up with, like, you know what, we
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: don't have a problem with that. We'll we have the
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure to handle this. Some teams are like, no, non starter,
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  Speaker 2: We're not dealing with it. So it's it's interesting to
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  Speaker 2: see how players are viewed by different clubs.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so, for the purposes of this podcast, really
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: close here to the first round, we're gonna just empty
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: the notebook on what we know about these prospects, these
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: teams that want prospects and give you the last minute
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  Speaker 1: intel that everybody wants all around the league about pretty
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: much everybody that we've spoken to. And I know, Adam,
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: you've spoken to a ton of people, both personnel people, coaches,
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: all that around the league. I've spoken to some personnel people.
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: So we got good stuff. Where do you want to start, well, position.
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: It's funny, honestly, just go to quarterback. Everybody knows this
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  Speaker 2: is a week draft. You know next year could be better.
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: But with Ty Simpson, let me just explain something that
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: someone who's been in league a long time said. You know,
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: because people knock Ty Simpson about his size, it's not
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: like you know, Russell Wilson is. This guy told me
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson for a number of years, build his body up.
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  Speaker 2: You know he was I don't know what he waited
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: as a rookie, but it couldn't been much over two
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: hundred then over four or five years, he really built
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: up his upper body type Simpson Ty Simpsons shorter than
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  Speaker 2: six two, But he's got enough arm, there's enough ability
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  Speaker 2: in him. Because I know a lot of people saying, oh,
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: he'll only be a first round pick because the draft
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  Speaker 2: is so bad and there are a lot of teams
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: that need quarterbacks. There's some truth to it, but there's
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: enough in this kid down the line and depending on
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: who drafts him. Now, I know there's been a lot
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: of steam about Okay, so this is a bad first round.
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: Some of the team in the second round, early in
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: the second round, like the Jets, like the Cardinals, might
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  Speaker 2: want to trade back up into the first round to
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  Speaker 2: go get him. I mean, that's that's a reasonable assumption,
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  Speaker 2: and they clearly need quarterbacks. But he's a kid. The
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: question with him is when will he be ready to play.
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  Speaker 2: That's the issue where Mendoza where the Raiders already told
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: us that there's a reason why they broke Kirk Cousins
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  Speaker 2: in they don't want Mendoza playing early. We'll get to
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  Speaker 2: Mendoz in a second. But Simpson's an interesting guy. I've
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: gotten a little bit. I feel a little bit better
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  Speaker 2: about him. I didn't feel great about him two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: But I've talked to a number of people that feel
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  Speaker 2: like with a good veteran to pair him with and
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: be patient over time, there's something there to develop.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it would be interesting. Someone, a personal person
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  Speaker 1: said to me. I asked, you know, who's somebody that's
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: going to go in the first round that probably shouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: And after a long pregant pause, I know that's why
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  Speaker 1: this person didn't answer immediately. He had to parse through
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: all of them in his head. But he said, ty Simpson.
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: He likes ty Simpson. He just doesn't feel like he's
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  Speaker 1: lead enough to go, but he figures it's probably gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: For exactly what you said. There's not a lot of quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 1: and there are some teams that have multiple picks and
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  Speaker 1: might be willing to take ty Simpson to have him
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  Speaker 1: sit for a year. I think the sweet spot for him, Adam.
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  Speaker 1: If you're or not sweet spot, maybe starting spot is
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  Speaker 1: you look at the Jets with their second first round
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  Speaker 1: pick at sixteenth overall, they may you could see them
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  Speaker 1: maybe gambling there. I don't know, but that makes yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's rich. But that makes fifteenth where the Bucks pick.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to get ahead of the Jets, maybe
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  Speaker 1: the starting point, or you know, the Eagles pick twenty third,
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  Speaker 1: the Browns pick twenty fourth. I think you always have
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: to be worried about the Browns taking a quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: especially reaching for one. So twenty third with the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: could be an interesting spot to trade into. But I
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  Speaker 1: still think in general, based on the intel we've got it,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot to take this guy in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: He's, yeah, I maybe there are a couple of teams
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: that have a first round great on them. But I
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: was talking to someone who's with the Jets when they
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: drafted Mark Sanchez. That's kind of the other reason why
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: I brought up Ty Simpson. He goes, Look, we knew
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: that there were some limitations of Mark Sanchez, if from
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  Speaker 2: an arms strength standpoint, but he had at athleticism, he
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: could scramble. They were built under Mike Tannebaum and Rex
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: Ryan to run the football and win with defense, so
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: they weren't going to put it all on him, right,
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  Speaker 2: So it kind of worked out. But when you're a
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: quarterback purgatory, you feel like it was kind of like
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  Speaker 2: you were alluding to, like you need to get one.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be shocked with the Browns have done it. They've
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: said they're they're they're looking at another quarterback. I just
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: don't see that that early obviously where they're picking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that would be the biggest stunner in years. But when
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: you don't have one, you're always looking for one. And
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: the Eagles have been very fortunate, not that they knew
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: they were doing this with Jalen Hurts, but going from
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: Wentz to Hurts, they've they've been they've been pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: But if you look at the teams like the Jets
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: failed a quarterback, Cardinals Carla Murray wound up not working
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: out in the end, Titans since Tannehill, and Tannehill was,
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: by the way, not he was acquired from the Dolphins
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  Speaker 2: to be the backup to Mariota. They didn't know he'd
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  Speaker 2: be starting. Right's quarterback purrogatory. Okay, there's a reason why
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: these teams are still up there and are so bad Historically,
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: don't have the quarterback. When you miss a quarterback. The
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: Raiders have missed. I mean you could go back Dark
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: car They had some success and they didn't make the
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: playoffs with him unfortunately, was hurt against the Texas. But
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  Speaker 2: when you miss it sets you back. And this Ty
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  Speaker 2: Simpson thing is at Quagmar because he needs a lot
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  Speaker 2: of work and this is such an important position and
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  Speaker 2: certain certainly important decision.
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  Speaker 1: M h.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated to see where ty Simpson goes because if
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: if he goes, remember second round is a dart around. Yep,
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: let's not forget that. I just wanted to talk about
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  Speaker 2: him for a second because he's a little he's somewhat paularizing,
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  Speaker 2: but he's got a little bit more talent than people think.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, any other quarterback I know neuss Meyer. You
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: know he dealt with that injury great, was pretty high
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: on on his tape from twenty twenty four, So he'll
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  Speaker 1: be It'll be interesting to see where he winds up to. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: also another guy not great guys.
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  Speaker 2: He's not, but this guy has been highly thought of,
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  Speaker 2: very This is one time when you hear injury stuff,
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: you go, it's just coming out or Okay, it happened,
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  Speaker 2: But is it's just people trying to build say oh
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: if not trying to protect him. No, it is the truth.
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  Speaker 2: He's always been highly thought of, right, you like that
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  Speaker 2: he's the son of a really good quarterback coach. And
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  Speaker 2: Doug nuss Meyer. So yeah, he's got a chance to
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  Speaker 2: be a start at the next level. I want to
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: talk about Cole Payton of North Kota State. A couple
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: of area scouts of that area both agree that he
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: is Taysom Hill. They don't see him. He's got great
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: but they don't see him. It's a true quarterback. He's
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: an athlete who you have to if you have him,
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: you have to know what he is and what he
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  Speaker 2: isn't and you got to be able to move him
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  Speaker 2: around here and figure out is he Taysom Hill? Is there?
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  Speaker 2: He looks like Taysom Hill with the skill set and
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: he's got great, really good sizing as an athlete, but
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  Speaker 2: you got to know how to use this guy and
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: that look, there's there's always somebody Sean Payton's who see
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  Speaker 2: what others don't sit? You know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I know that The term is you have
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: to have a plan.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. Yes, Yes, we've talked about that with Greg Cosel.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many times. It's funny we say that.
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  Speaker 2: Seemingly with some teams they don't have to plan for
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. Then just this Taylor Green is so fascinating.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: Mm hm, he's going to go third day almost certainly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean could he go third round and shot you
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  Speaker 2: know that that'd be extremely high because that's a bottom
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  Speaker 2: n start around, right, that would be a shocker. But
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: only takes one team. He's another guy with the right
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff that's willing to develop him. He's your third
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: string quarterback for two years and if he's really developing,
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: to see what you got. But he's just another guy
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: that I went our visit a couple of years.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how teams value him
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: compared to say like Drew Aller, who needs also a
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: lot of work, uncomfortable in the pocket at times, but
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: has a beautiful arm. You know, played at a really
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: high level in big games. And there are two different
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: totally different styles of quarterbacks but with question marks. So
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see which one gets some more
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: value than the other.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: When you've watched Drew alert, don't you see some games
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: you're like, wow, can't why can't he duplicate that?
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? If you go watch his game against
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: usc not last this past year, but the year before
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: where they were losing and he brought him back and
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: he was just took over in the late third and
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: fourth quoter and made every throw with literally no wide receivers.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: I think Tyler Warren quote fifteen passes in that game.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: Something crazy. And yeah, I mean there's there's stretches, and
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: he's athletic. You know. When he first got to Penn State,
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: they called him baby because he was a big guy
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: like Ben Rotha. Remember early Ben Roethlisberger could move around
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: before he kind of got bigger and just became a
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: pocket guy. But yeah, he's he's got a lot of
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: Really again, I think we talked about team and scheme.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: If can you get him with like one of these
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: like Shanahan McVeigh type coaches or O'Connell's who really know
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: how to fix a quarterback's flaws. Yeah, it's something there,
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: but you know there's also a million of those guys
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: who don't turn out, you know, they don't live up
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: to that. So uh, you know, he could go to
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: a team that doesn't have great coaching and and really
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: become like Hackenberg.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: Did you know, Oh God, Christian Hackenberg. Man.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to put the Penn State Hackenberg curse
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: on him, because that's all.
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  Speaker 2: But he's another guy with a lot of ability, but
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: the mechanics and accuracy just saluted him, and yeah, it's
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: too bad. And then when you moved to running back.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: So I've had a long talk with some scouts that
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: I know, but how they view the scout pro scouting
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: college scouting are completely different. It's just it's what scouts
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: look for comparably to pro personnel. People like really different.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: They don't see it the same way. You know, the
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: college game is much different, but they all see Jeremiah
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: Love the same way. Typically it's running back position. Unless
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: you're a three down back, there's no discussion. You're not
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: going in the first round. You can. I don't care
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: how talent you are. But this guy, I know. It's
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: going to be hard for some fans of whether it's
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals or the Titans. Oh we need a quarterback, Well, folks,
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: there's not a good quarterback there unless you're getting David Bailey,
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: who is the best pass rusher. Jeremiah Love is the
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: best player. You've got a starting running back if he
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't get hurt for probably eight to ten years. Yeah,
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: well running back probably eight years, seven eight years. It's
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: the positional value goes out the door when you have
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: an elite prospect, it just does yep.
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  Speaker 1: Just so yeah, this guy. I spoke to an AOC
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: who really liked Jeremiah Loves He said it was his
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: favorite tape of any prospect to watch. And I said,
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: well why and he said, you know, when you're talking
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: about running backs, if they're going to go in the
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: first round, there are going to be great athletes. More
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: often than not. They're gonna you know, obviously run with
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: great leverage and things, but the footwork, the quickness, the vision,
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: it's the little things. He just does every This guy
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  Speaker 1: said he does everything the way our running back is
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  Speaker 1: supposed to. And he didn't say it, but it reminded
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: me of when we were calling around a couple of
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: years ago, just talking to people all Bijon Robinson. I mean,
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: this is a guy who literally checked off every There
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: was not one thing that you even wish he did
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  Speaker 1: this a little bit more. It feels like Jeremiah is
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: about as clean of a prospect as you can get.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: He's the best player for this draft. And look, if
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: you I know some Cardinal fans don't want them to
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: draft him because, oh well they have Trey Benson. They
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: spent at their round pick on it, and he should
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: be the starter. Well, he's been hurt, he's been disappointing. Yeah,
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Connor's near the end of his career. Tyler Tyler Algier
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: is a power back, he's not explosive, and knowing that
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: they need to address the quarterback position with a younger guy. Sure,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett wants more money and he's a great backup
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: spot starter. But the way you help a quarterback, no
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: matter how it is, is if you have a running
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: game to support. It doesn't mean you have to be
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: till the marriage of the run, but if you have
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: a guy who could touch the ball Tolbert run and
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: pass twenty plus times and he's elite, you'll help yourself tremendously. Now,
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals have a bad roster overall. It's not just
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: the quarterback position. Marvin Harrison has not been who they
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: thought they were. I'll admit I've been stunned. How I mean,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: he was better in the year two, but he's nowhere
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: near the player that a lot of people thought. A
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: lot of area scouts are shocked. You couldn't They couldn't
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: find a knock on the guy, right, but not one
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: stuff you can't know, like it's I don't know what
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: it is, the curse of his father. I don't know
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: what it is. I can't understand why he's not better.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: It could be could be the quarterback. I mean, I
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: don't know. That's a good question. I certainly saw McBride
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: his play raised when they went to Jacoby Burssett, more
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: so than Marvin Harrison's. But yeah, that's pretty interesting. I think.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: I think that if I'm the Cardinals, for what you
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: just said, for all their needs, you could take Jeremiah
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Love and be happy with it, but you might wind
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: up Saquon Barkley and him like the Giants did, where
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: you have no infrastructure around to support this fantastic human
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: athlete and running back of a human being. So I
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: probably go the safer route and take David Bailey, but
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. I can understand. But I do
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: fear that if you went to the Cardinals and they
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: didn't have a quarterback and couldn't get one for a while,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: then he just you know, takes a bunch of hits,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: gets a bunch of yards, and he's you know, sort
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: of like Saquon in New York. It never works out
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: because they have a quarterback. But we'll say I think
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: that that's one of the teams you look at in
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: the second round. You see do they go for a
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Tie Simpson or do they go for a nus Meyer
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Any other running backs that you
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: want to do.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's anything else on my docket at running back.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I want to Oh, you know, I know he look,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: this is not a good run back draft. But Eli
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Heindrich from Heinrich Hype pronounce it. I've seen a lot
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: of him. I've heard a lot about him. He's got
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: such great versatility out of Navy. Yeah, he's not a
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: starting running back, to be clear, at the next level,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: there's that it's not happening. But he's another guy that
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: in the right system, with the right coaching be fascinating.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: He's a really interesting player. I like him a lot.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: He pays receiver for them too. Yeah, he moves around.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he could do a lot, like he could play
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: running back, wide receiver slot. You're right, I'll be interesting
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: to see how he lines up to the next level.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: On your point, Yes, Yes, the Titans are fascinating. They
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: as I understand it. They've they want to develop this
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: draft to help their quarterback. Like they this is sure.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: They have a ton of needs on defense, there's no
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: quoest question, but they address some of them with Jermaine Johnson,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: John Franklin, Myers, Alante Taylor, Cordell Flatt. They've set this
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: up and internally I know they've discussed in helping cam
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Ward out tight end would be one as the draft
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and this is a deep draft. Calvin Ridley they redid
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: his deal. He's definitely going to be a starter this season.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: After this, I could certainly see them moving on from him.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: They need more talent receiver. They could help the interior
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: their offensive line. They still need to do that. Cam
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Ward is universally was university really liked by personnel people
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I know, and from one Titan source, he tried a
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: little bit too hard to put the team on his back.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: There's some games he just force throws. But this kid's
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: a baller. There's a chance here he could be super
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: special over Tom talking overtime and if Mike Borgonzi and
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: his group, if they support him as I've heard that
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: they want to do, and that this has a chance
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: to be really good over series of years.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, with Dable there right and getting him
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: some offensive weapons and fixing cam Ward and again, if
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: they give him love or they give him carnal Tate,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what I would do too. I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: think it makes a lot of sense.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: By the way, on I'm glad you mentioned Brian Dable.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: You could say what you want about Brian Tables a
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: head coach. He wasn't very good, that's not up to debate,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: but he was phenomenal with Josh Allen challenged him, was
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: on him, and Josh Allen came in as a wild stallion,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: accuracy terrible, and he coached the hell out of him.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: And he did a good job with Jackson Dart for
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the time that he spent with him. I just wanted
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to bring this up because this is the next guy.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: If Berganzi does what I've heard he's going to do
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: is try to help him as much as he can.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: This thing over series of years, if there's patience, there's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: a chance to be really interesting.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Right all right? What next? Man? And the Jets at
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: number two? Like I said, Rville Reese, seems I know
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: personnel people around the league think that that is a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: foregone conclusion that they're going to take Arville.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: It's either him or Biley has to be. But they
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: have no pass rusher seat you have if you're drafting Reese,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: if you're the Jets, he's got to be a pass
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: rusher like, he's got to be more of a guy,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and he'll have to be a stand up linebacker. You know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: they've Will McDonald. It was drafted by Joe Douglas, who's explosive,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Joe size, a nice rotate, he's a he's a he's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: a third edge. They're brought in in a bari over
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: from Green Bay. But uh, they've got you tomorrow, by
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the way, Okay, you bring this up tomorrow, Davis. They
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I know he's what is he thirty seven or thirty eight?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Who is?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It's a phenomenal football player, orderline Hall of Famer. He
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: turns thirty eight in January. What he's doing is just ridiculous.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: It's like never happens, m h. But linebacker wise, they've
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: sherw it's been a nice story. Jamie Sherwood. Yeah, they
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: got I would lean more towards Bailey, but we'll see
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that they'll they'll have the two for
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: one deal in mind, where if they really believe in
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: him as an off ball linebacker and an edge rusher,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: you for first and second down you have him off
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the ball with the Mario and then you move them
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to the edge, or you put make him as a joke,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: or you do something on third down where he is
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: rushing the passer and then so you gotta get you
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a two for one deal there if it works out.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to the jet. The shous be the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Giants real quick.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: See here we talked about this with Andrew Harbes. He
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: gets the knock. Oh with Arctocosta. They're all about the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: run and defense. And look there's truth to it because
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that's what happened.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: But if you look at the offensive talent they've got.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Now we'll see about Neighbors as his acl Slayton could run,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Mooney could run. Neighbors is a big time talent. Isaiah
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: likely is explosive tight end. You gut theojis and I
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: know he hasn't done much, but he could catch and
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Manhurts is an excellent why tight end? Does Harbes start
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: looking outside the box? Say, now, of course, if they
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: get Jeremy Love, it's a different story. Why can't this
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: be a passing team?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, it absolutely could. I mean, especially if at five
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you wanted to go, you know, like Jordan Tyson or
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Cardinal Tait and make that your one two punch with Neighbors.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I don't see that they're loaded receiver. But I'm just
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: saying with the talent they I'm just saying specifically what
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: they have already.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: You deal. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I would
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: call them loaded. I mean the number two receivers Darius
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Slayton right now.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: But if you look at the total group just for
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: this season, Neighbors, Slayton, Mooney, Calvin Austin. I forgot to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: mention him.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Oh you know, I forgot about now.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I understand the draft is about the future. Now, on
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: your point on Slayton, he's making a ton of money.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: If he doesn't play well, I don't see him coming
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: back in twenty seven. So on your point, it's a
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: little bit early. I had one receivers coach to tell me,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: and he did give him a late, late first round grade.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: He said he's he's the most overrated player at that position.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Likes and doesn't love him. He loves he loves the airs,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: he loves the Arizona State receiver. I mean he just
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: thinks that Tyson, who has private workout last week. Physically
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: he holds up. He said it will not be close.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: He'll be the best receiver out of his class for
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: a number of years. It's just multi liqument injury, hamstring, yep. Body,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: he's been beat up physically, but he does everything well.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think he had a broken collarbone too, which is yeah,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: everybody can color bone, but yeah, yeah, I know.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: He's like his whole body, you know.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So with the Giants having the fifth and tenth
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: tenth pick, if they just go defense defense there, if
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: they get somehow Caleb Downs and Sunny Styles or Caleb
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Downs and Mansieur Deliny, pretty good, pretty good way for
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: them to really start to get back to being the team. Yeah.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I see Tremaine Admins. You know, Greg talked about it,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Coase Hill talked about his tape was bad last season.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a that was a questionable signing.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: And they're not by structure. I don't know if they
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: could even get out of it after one year without
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: any pain. So they're a fun team. But the thing
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: is man with trading. Detcha Lawrence their front because they're
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: running a thirty four under Jernard Wilson. Good luck they
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: have Darius Alexanders turns twenty six. He's the old a
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: second year player. I'm sure the NFL at twenty six August.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Good luck.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, uh, what what do you think? We
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: got the Browns at six, the Commanders at seven. That's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: an interesting six to seven turn right there.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: All right, real quick on Washington. They're another team. Got
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to help the QB they have yep, they need to
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: get and they need to help McLaurin out. Mclaurin's interesting.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: You know, he did not he didn't like to be moved.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I'm told when he first got there in early in Excuar,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: like twenty nineteen one, and then he was more open
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: to moving around, being set up playing the acts he
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: plays Z You line them up inside if you need to.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: But you know they overspent for Chicka Konqua, who the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: former Titan staff is not very high on, to say
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the least. There's no way in hell they pass up
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: on Jeremy Love they get him, no way. There's just
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think I don't see I think he makes
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: it there. And then defensively, you know, they address what
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: they needed to in free agency. They so called draft proofing.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: My god, I mean with Tim Settle, o Way Chanelle,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: who's a really interesting player, chasing Nick Cross is very unerrated,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Mick Robertson Ometa who they it helps them see. Draft
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: proofing it helps you not having to being forced to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: do something. So that's that's another team they learned the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: hard way. You don't want to be the oldest team
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: in the National Football League and they know that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're the Commanders and you think that Love
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: is either going to go three or four to the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Titans or the uh the Cardinals, do you start to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: talk to the Jets about moving up five spots just
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to make sure you get Love. It'll be interesting, it'll
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: be interesting. You probably wouldn't have to pay as much
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: as you normally would if you're moving up for a quarterback,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and the Jets would be able to still get a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: really good player there along with their second first round pick.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: They got a bunch of picks coming to them because
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: all the trades they made.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: That's that's before we move on to the Chiefs. I
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: want to talk about them in a second. Yeah, you
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: know how bred features talking about he thinks there'll be
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: a bunch of trades. Well and they who then was
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: they could be involved if because the boy the cutoff
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: of true first round grades is getting close to them
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and it probably pass them a little bit, but that's it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder if because Kansas City has so many needs,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: they have like eight on my board, eight, you wonder
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: if each was hinting that, hey, come and get it. Hey,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: if they like or they want, do they trade out?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, yeah, well we know, you know, just
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: talking to people around the league, I know there's an
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: expectation that the Chiefs really want to address their lines.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: They want to get you know, they've had their aging.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: We talked about this with Chris Jones at de tackle.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: There really isn't ad tackle there that you would take
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: at that point, so that would prompt an understandable move down.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: They could use an edge rusher. They could still use
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: help on the offensive line. You know, they're playing the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: kid at right tackle that they signed last year from
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, but he can move around a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: little bit. You know, they got to make sure that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they can count on their left tackle Simmons, who was
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: absent for a lot of last year. So they they
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: got to if they want to keep Mahomes, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: healthy coming off this ACL and then get back to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: being who the Chiefs were, They've got they've got to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: be an Andy Reid team. They got to build up
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: through the lines.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: The talent level on this team has decreased significantly there.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Folks know they're a low cash bend team. They're just
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: one of the teams that historically they're not a high
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: paying coach group. They don't pay their coaches in like
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the top five or to don't know, off top ten,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: known of the agent coaching agent community for for years,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and they a lot of a lot of a lot
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: of players walk. Man, they've got a bargain basement secondary
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and you talk about the defensive line other than Chris Jones,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: they need help. Yeah, right now, it's Denver, it's the Chargers,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: and it's the Chiefs in that division. Let's be honest
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: about it, folks. I can't believe I'm saying it. They're
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: just an also run right now.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm at the play. We're at nine. If they
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: if they can't move up or down or we're really
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: moved down right. I mean, I think Malinoa comes into
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: play for the Chiefs there because he's left guard, right tackle,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: he moving to guard. Maybe I did have someone tell
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: me they think that they that Malnoa, if they did it,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: could be an all pro guard. They said he would
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: have to like get some knee bend a little bit,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you know, adjust to it, because he's not He's been
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: a tackle his whole life. He's a huge, wide bodied guy.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: But they do think he'd be ANX. This person I spoke,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: he thought he'd be an excellent card. Okay, I they needed,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of needs. And then I just
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: want to touch on the Cowboys for a second. Jerry
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Jones keeps hitting at a potential big move, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: because they he I'll say this much for taking. If
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you remember in the mid mid two thousands, he was
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: mister free agency, Roy Williams, the receiver, they just were.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He was mister free agency. Then he'd been dormant for
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a long time, and then they had a very active
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: free agency period and draft period and just trading. You know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: they made a lot of big moves. And he's talking
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: about busting the budget. Would it surprise anyone.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: They have two first round picks, If they move up
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to get a big splash player, I would say.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: No, not at all. They got the twelve and the twenty.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: They really need a lot of help on defense, So
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: if they move up, I would think it would be
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: for a really good corner or a really good safety,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: linebacker perhaps, but yeah, they've got a man. They need
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: help on defense big time. Like you said, let me
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: ask you this.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Do you see from what you've heard about Sonny Styles?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Okay there, do you feel like there's a chance no
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: one could trade up to get him.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I do feel like there's a chance. But the thing
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: about Sonny and I talked to someone who watched a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: lot of his tape and he really likes him. But
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you have to remember in this Ohio State defense a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: he's playing next to rvil Reese in front of Caleb
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Down's good offensive line. He was allowed to play, what
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: they say, freely, which means I'm not saying he didn't
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: have responsibilities, but he was sort of allowed to be
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: a run and chase guy. And that's where your your
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: uber athleticism really can benefit you. Where you just go
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you're like a heat seeking missile. This is how he
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: told you, you just go chase the guy down. But
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: if he comes to a team or a defensive coordinator
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that wants his linebacker to be downhill and take on
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: blocks like you remember how awkward it was for the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Eagles when Washburn first started coaching the d lot Jim Washburn,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and they were playing the wide nine, but they had
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: small safeties like Kirk Coleman. They had small linebackers and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: they were just hemorrhaging, you know, rushing yards. So he's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: got to go to a team where they've probably got
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a thumper or somebody who's a better doubt, you know, downfield,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: downhill style player where he can be the free roamer.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So I think any team that trades up for him
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: has to already have someone they think can handle that
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: duty and not put it on sunny styles.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so new to linebacker or kind of what
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: you were talking about. He, as one personnel guy said
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: he could be the best player out of this draft
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: in three or four years. But he's so new to it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: He's got his workout numbers are ridiculous. He's got the intelligence,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the size, he's got everything wanting, just doesn't have the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: experience so there's got to be patients here jumping around
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a little bit. The Vikings are another.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Real quickly on that Cowboys point, Like overshown, it's sort
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of similar in that he's a free range I mean,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: so he's always hurt. So, I mean, Christian Parker is
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a smart guy. Is he really gonna want to have
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: two linebackers who aren't in this defense? After having guys
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like Bond and having Dean who are really good at
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: getting around offensive lineman going downhill making tackles, right, is
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: he gonna have two guys who are who play more
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: free range type and not downhill type. That that's where
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I wonder about the fit for that that specific process
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: A right.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: So on your point, I forgot to mention it. So
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Christian Parker, right, first time play call, they're gonna run
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a thirty four or two overhands, He's gonna run Fangio.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: M hm.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: You gotta have a field general. Okay, you need someone
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: like they felt like you have, folks. I mean it,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Logan Wilson trade was a disaster. He just retired. I
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: believe everything they seem to have tried over the last
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: couple of acient linebacker has just been it hadn't worked.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You know it hasn't worked. That Ken' murray trade. I
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: know that if up next decks and nothing's terrible, you
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: know it didn't work. They need You can't run Fangio.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: You need big time smart players. They need they need
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that guy the field general. And now is styles that guy.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: He's so new to the position.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez to me, I almost feel like kileb downs because
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they need safety too. Yes, that guy, and if you're
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: gonna make a that would be the guy. Yep.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: But but linebacker Jacob Rodricus You if you hear our
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: show with Greg co self, folks, I know not everyone's
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: an Eagles fan here. We've got a lot of fans
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: listening to from different follow different teams. Find the line.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Why don't we put the linebacker sho last week?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, last week?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Find what Greg said about Jacob Rodriguez. I mean, this
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: guy is a first year starter. He's out a Texas
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Tech by the way, not too far from the Cowboys complex.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: This guy is a big time Mike linebacker or inside
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: backer are thirty four in this case? So on your point,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: this one, this is what they got to get. And
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: we've talked about this at nauseum. The failure of the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: leadership on defense for years. You can blame coaching all
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: you want. They've had a metal break, not just injuries,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: guys freelancing, not doing what they should do. Like Jerry
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Jones could address the run all he wants with Kenny
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Clark and Quinny Williams. That's just a drop in the bucket.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: It's the lack of discipline overall on this defense.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so it'll be interesting. You're right, Jerry's
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: been teasing this big move. They've got two first round picks.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: We'll see what they wind up doing. They're the team
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that I think could shock us all and do something
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: like completely.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: That's why I want to bring them up. And plus
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: America's team. They shouldn't be anymore goodness, say, America's shame
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: how bad they've been defense. Minnesota is a team briefly
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: want to touch on if they make the Grenad trade,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: if they can agree on it, Dallas turn will be
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a full time time starter op savan Ginkel. Then Kinkle's
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: had a ton of injuries. Okay, that's concerning. They've got
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: a now one. It's too early for dtackle, but they've
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: got ad tackle problem. Three guys are gone, really two starters,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: two veterans. Offensively, you're not getting a quarterback. For folks
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: who don't want McCarthy, they look, they've got Kyler Murray
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: compete against them. They're not drafting quarterback in the first round.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: It's not happening. What they need to do is to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: continue to fortify the interior their offensive line. It's more
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: it's you're not taking a center there. It's way too early.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: They could address that later. But the big need to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: me and I know some Viking fans don't like this,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: they don't agree with me. Isaiah Rodgers just a fine player.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: You still need to get that big time corner. If
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: they get a big time corner to pair with Rogers
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: and Murphy, this is a with Josh mctellis, who's the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Swiss Army knife. That's a makings of an ex s secondary.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yep. That's where the medicals on McCoy really are our
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: factor in. If they think he can, you know, make
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: it at some point in the season week three, week
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: four and be all right, then you're probably more comfortable
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: with that because that that's getting a top ten to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: twelve talent later in the draft. Because talent, there's no question.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Is twenty twenty four tape everybody spoke to you said
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: makes him a really good corner, a top corner in
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: this draft.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And with with him there was the NFL Network report.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Looks it's interesting he the workout look he ran in
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: forty he was good. But there's something within the bone
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to a problem and there's a concerned long term that
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: could that could hurt him, that could certainly have him drop.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: But just a word on the receiver position conception and
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: this is really interesting. I had two coaches tell me
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: because he said he's a he plays bigger than his
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: listed size. He's a little bit of a freelancer with
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: his with his route running. But one guy said, I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: see this guy the way that he plays, not just
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: a slot. He said, he goes I could see one guy.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: One guy mentioned it X receiver and the other guy said,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: he absolutely plainly outside. He's got the ability to do it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: So that's something to see what goes on the next level.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: M H. Denzel Boston. I'd be stunned if he went
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: in the first round. I know some matres have him
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: going in the first round. I know it only takes
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: one team. He's not going to win on his own.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Like you if you're a wide receiver in the first round,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: you gotta win like you gotta win. He's got He's
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: very strong physically, but the question is Kenny get Kenny
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: win on his own? That's a concern. Chris Brazel and
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Ted hurst or seemed the same way. Super raw. Hurst
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: is a little bit more advanced, major patience. Malachi Fields
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: is a guy out of Notre Dame. As we go
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: through this receiver position, you want this guy in a
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: dark alley. He's gonna win. He's that tough and physical.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: He runs better than you think. He's a guy no
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: one's really talking about. He's a third day sleeper. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the guy who could be the sleeper of this group
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: is Antonio Williams at a Clemson heard that from multiple
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: receivers coaches. Tape is really good, super competitive, super smart. Yeah,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you can move him around. He's not just a slot
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and wants to be coached. This is the guy that
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: no one we really no one's talking about, but coach
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: brought him up and they see him the same way.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's a really good point. He is not
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of airtime but he could player. Yeah. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: one and up. Before we get out of here, let's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: touch on tight Ends. This is a very interesting group.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: We know Sadik is a first round er. He's gonna
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: go somewhere in the first round. After that, there's talent,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: but it's sort of like a what are you doing with?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: This is not a one size fits all tight end group.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: There is if if you want a blocker, there's gonna
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: be guys who can block but are limited pass catchers.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: If you want a pass catcher, there's guys who can
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: catch passes. This is they're limited blocker, so you have
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: to This is going to be a faith in your
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: coaching and development type draft for tight ends. If you
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: think you can get a guy who can put some
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: weight on and block like Stours is a good example.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: If Eli Stowers out of Vanderbilt is a pass catching
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: tight end, there are concerns about his ability to block.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: He's not going to go in the first round, most
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: likely for that reason. Most likely a second rounder. I
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: asked about. So Max Claire right from the Ohio State
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: kid who went to Purdue earlier, is a guy who
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: can do both. But Adam, what I got was he's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: not so great at either that you take him ahead
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of Stours or really early in the second He might
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: be a guy who winds up going in the third
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: round just because he's a guy who can do both,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: but is not going to be a master at either one.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Trigg from what was it, Trig from A and M,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: he's the interesting one. He's the wild card because he
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: from what I understand just talking to people, he's not
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: like the greatest route runner, but he's got great hands.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: He catches everything. But you're going to really have to
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: teach him how to actually like line up and run
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: good routes and be disciplined within an offense. And then again,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: if you want him on the field, you got to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: get him to understand how to block just a little
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: bit more. Same thing with Stowers. I think you can
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: get away with Stowars lack of blocking if you have
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: another wide tight end and you want to flex him out.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I don't get to that with Trig.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: On this on Stours. So this is what a coach
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: told me. He was actually given. He doesn't coach tight ends,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: but he was given. This is kind of an inside
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: football thing. A lot of coaches who the general managers respect,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: they'll ask him, hey, you really seem to know this position.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I know it's not yours, but you've talked a lot
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: about what you might would like you to grade this position.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: So this guy said stowars, he's an f tight end.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: To start, you have to build his body up there.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I know this is kind of what you're talking about.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: He's an sort of offset tight end. He's a pretty
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: good kid, you know. Or Andrew de Checo interviewed him form.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It's a really good interview. Yeah, over time, he's around
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: two forty six, just under sixty, and he he's got
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: a frame from the way, I understand that he could
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: put on weight. I don't know about two fifty five,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: but maybe two forty eight to fifty. And if he's
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: going to be a second round pick, almost certainly I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: don't see him getting out secondround because he's an elite athlete.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: But this guy said, the plan would be to move
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: him off the ball because you can't ask him to
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: play in line, just like with zach Ertz. By the way,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: right now, this guy's a better athlete than arts ever was.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Or it's was just a supreme ball catcher, great route runner,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Melloy tough like he came in and was a stud
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: right away. But on your point, you may made a
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: great point here, it's a supremely deep ten end class.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: But after it's it's what Howry Roseman said the Eagles
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: general manager, right, m hm. He didn't talk about Sadik
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: or the players. He said, you know, they they have tiers.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Every team grates by tears. It's Sadik in Tier one
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and then everybody else Stours Claire Ralsh, Michael Trigger, you
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: talking about from Baylor, Well, Trigger probably in tier three,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Tier two, Stours Claire maybe Ralsh Cat. I know teams
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: are dead. I don't see the tight end, any player,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: any group the same way. But there's a may I'm
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: glad you brought this up. There's a major drop off.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I've seen some of these what does the Greg Cosell
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: call him draft gurus?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they know it alls right.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Well, the know it all is right right right? Who
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: they don't think Sidik's a good up blocker? Totally false.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: No coach I spoke too, said that they never came up.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: He's the best all around tight end they've seen in years.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: He's a Day one starter. You know, we've talked about
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: the Eagles or other teams where you know, if you want,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you got to go. This draft is so bad on
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the first right, you got to go get him. Yeah,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I just would like because but as we did the
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: draft the mock with Andrew. If you look at the
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: teams and the teams, Rams don't need a tight end.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Ravens don't need a tight end. I like Katott and
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: maybe more than others. They brought him back. M h
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I don't see it. Jets have Mason Taylor, that's not happening.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Lions have the kids coming off the back surgery, but
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: he's their starter. Hockinson, I don't see it. The hot
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: spot for me would be Carolina.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: But before that, I mean maybe if Kansas City can't
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: trade down, if Kansas City is stuck in a spot
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: where they're not gonna take Maw, you know, maybe he's
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: not there. There's no Detackle, not an edge rusher that
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: they love, Like, that's the spot where I could see
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: maybe it happening. I mean, I don't think they need
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: as another offensive guys as as opposed to fortifying the lines.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: But again, if you can't move down, sometimes you get
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: stuck and you got to just go with your best prospect.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Well, see, here's the thing they're not getting David Bailey
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: where they are at nine right, they need an edge
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: rusher in the worst way. There's no Dtackle. You would
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: take until the second round most likely for you them correct.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: So what you can do on your point is you
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: could actually look to trade down because again, if Dallas
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: is looking to move up, they have Jake Fergus. They're
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: not taking a tight end. Okay, you might worry about
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Miami at eleven because they have like no talents, they
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: have a terrible roster, they need everything at offense, they
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: trade a Waddle their best receiver, you'd have to worry
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: about them. But if you feel like you could trade
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: down to like the middle of the first round where
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: nobody needs a tight end, yeah, you just got to
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: find out. And I know GMS get intel to me.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Mimi needs so much help. And you remember they have
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: a major cap problem. Not that that's the draft picks
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: aren't related to, but overall, they need talent. They're locked
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: on the cap. They probably they won't probably get as
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: many picks as possible, Maybe they won't go for a
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: tight end. I do think on your point, I don't
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: think it's realistic at nine for the tight end there.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: It's sadik. But man, what Travis Kelsey shopping last season?
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I thought he was done and I know they resigned him.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: You know, but they can get out of way after
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: one year.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, May.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: The tight end and Andy Reids offense, and we'll see
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: how mu much longer. Coaches, if you can get at
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: this kid, Sadik is special, you don't want to pass
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: up special players and a draft that's not very good.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what I think. If you're at
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: nine and you're Chiefs and you're not, and we just
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys wanting to make a big move,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys might want to get to nine ahead
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: of the Giants because they both want defensive players. Could
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: be downs, could be styles, whatever. Then maybe you see
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs move down to the twelve spot where the
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Cowboys are pick up something and then take Sadik there,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: or continue and move down. Who knows, you know, But
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: that's sort of to me a sweet spot for a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: trade because the Giants are gonna be picking right there
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: at ten and they're still gonna have a chance to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: get a really good defensive prospect, and teams are gonna
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: want one, may want to get right ahead of them,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and the Chiefs are pretty open about what you said.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs would be fine with moving down
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: from nine.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Plus sitting in a corner. Remember they have nothing in
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: corner right now. A starter, quality starter Delaney to me
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: is would be a great pick. And that's around with
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: a conversation should be very heavy around nine. So I
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: just I wanted to talk about that. McCoy. Players to
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: watch this before we get out of the players to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: watch in terms of injury are just they're hotspots. Jeremiah
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Love could he go as early as three styles? Just
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: watch Dallas, Oh, Ruby and Bain. I know Ruby Bain.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Chiefs got to talk about him, they need him. Caleb Downs,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: how far does he drop out of the top ten,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: which I know some personal people think as possible. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: who is the first tackle, true tackle to go off
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the board?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would think it will be Malianola,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: but we'll see, we'll see. And then again, some people
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: should give me a very good guard. So who knows
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: where right? And where and where and where right? How
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: about this? It's it's harder to find who's the first
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: left tackle to go off the board because it sounds
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: like Malinoa is believed to be a right tackle, if
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: not a guard. And then you get a bunch of
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: guys like Blake Miller and Lomus, who people aren't convinced
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: are definite left tackles either. So it'll be really I
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: guess Cayden Proctor is the no doubt about it left tackle,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to say know that about it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I mean that that's where he plays left tackle, but
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: he could be more of a mid to late guy.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So really interesting.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Oh on on Proctor, I know, I think we talked
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: about this. We've heard that some teams think he could
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: want to play guard. Yes, you know, look when Makai
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Beckam played guard, literally no one other Jeff Staltin thought
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: he could do it. Right, people see see see people
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: scoff with this stuff. H You gotta coaches think differently
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: than than honestly, they also think differently than their college scouts,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: do you know.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, we'll see.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fasting first round. There's because this
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: is just you know, overall, as we've talked about for
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: weeks now, this is a low graded first round. If
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: you want one of those good players, really good players,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you bet you better trade up in the top ten
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: because it's once you get in the middle teams forget
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: about it. You're getting guy with the second round grade.
• 48:17
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• 48:20
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