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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 28-03-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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  Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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  train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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  want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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  a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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  and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
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  This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
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  many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us authentic free come
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  I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all, which
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  will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life.
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  Or very good morning, Spain, Bun Day, Friends and Friends, Julio
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  Pérez tells you about this traveling train thirty years traveling by the children of the
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  human soul. How not and that blind angle that is human spirituality, besides
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  the present with another look. This is the train of life. Come with
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  me. We' re going to travel together. Let us speak today of
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  the triumph of the Risen One. The death of Jesus Christ on Mount Calvary
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  becomes the great divine paradox for the redemption of mankind. The fact of Jesus
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  ' death is the Cross. It becomes an offense to human reason, to
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  human intelligence and self- sufficiency, because the Cross is madness for those who
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  spoil themselves, because the death of a human victim to save humanity is inconceivable
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  for men and women. Today, the contemporary man and woman, being the
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  most amazing of all that who had to die was nothing more than the very
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  son of God, the God who became man for our sake, Jesus.
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  The days of the so- called Passion Week of Jesus Christ are enormously striking,
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  as well as dramatic, for their exact prophetic fulfillment that was already foretold
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  by the sacred scriptures hundreds of years before the events happened. For example,
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  the prophet Isaiah, in his chapter fifty- three or six hundred years before
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  it happened, gives an exact, millimeter picture of what happened in Jesus’
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  life and other texts advocating that redemptive moment. But what does not fail to
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  impress us, after so many years and so many versions made in cinema,
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  in art and in literature, is the fact of the crucifixion itself, the
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  crucifixion of Jesus, the son of God, slowly agonized and, meanwhile,
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  there were particularly striking effects around him, as was the sudden tear of the
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  veil of the temple of Jerusalem, also the earthquake at the precise moment,
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  the habit of his death and the great darkness that occurred at those moments was
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  as if the very creation roared with pain for the death of the Savior of
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  the world and, as John says in his prologue, was in the world
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  and the world for him. The sotorological effect of Christ' s death was
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  also made, meaning the Savior effect on the cross. It has a cosmic
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  reach, in addition to a redemptive effect for the entire human race without exception.
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  There are not some here who are so chosen and others who are doomed.
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  It is a barbarity, not just to say it, but to believe
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  it and preach it. Certainly, he bore our infirmities and bore our pains
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  more. He was wounded for our transgressions, ground for our iniquities. The
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  punishment for our peace fell upon him and by his wounds we have been healed.
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  This is an excerpt from what the prophet Isaiah says in his chapter fifty
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  - three. Jesus also triumphed over the powers of the darkness of darkness on
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  the Cross of Calvary, destroying the hellish satanic power to which mankind was subjected,
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  servitude, to which he had the empire of death. This is the
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  Devil, that perverse and sinister being that God, in his sovereignty, lets
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  act until a moment when he is already sentenced. Christ' s vicarious death
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  redeems us from the moral bondage of sin and grants us freedom to live a
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  new life and a full life right here on earth. Early and above all,
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  he also grants us the unpayable gift of eternal life, endless life,
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  life forever in God’ s eternal Kingdom. This is wonderful. There are
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  many present and eternal benefits of the death of Jesus Christ in our favor,
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  and this fact has only one explanation. God' s great love for all
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  of us, for when we were still weak, Christ died for us,
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  Blessed be his name. Therefore, today I would like to invite you,
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  my dear friend or friend, to celebrate with me the triumph of the crucified
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  on that cursed cross that for the moment became the greatest symbol of blessing of
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  all time. Yes, that cross overturned the curse into blessing. If Jesus
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  had not risen, Vana would be our faith and we would also be irrememorably
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  lost in our sins, because the wages of sin is death, according to
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  God' s righteous judgment, our sin of rebellion, indifference, evil,
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  lying, so many things. We have all sinned and are deprived of the
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  presence of God, but Jesus came to do this perfect work, we would
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  be irretrievably lost in our sins if Jesus had not only not died, had
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  he not been resurrected, as predicted and was also historically confirmed on the third
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  day, before more than five hundred witnesses who saw Jesus risen. But Jesus
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  suffered the Cross with so much pain, with so much suffering, the scourge
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  of the Cross to its last consequences, and, as it was prophesied,
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  on the third day he rose again, as history and the Gospels and the
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  Apostolic creed say, on the third day he rises from the dead and lives
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  forever. There is Jesus alive and risen. And this fact has been and
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  will forever be. Never the great triumph of the resurrected hallelujah has the Lord
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  risen on the train of life. Life life, gentlemen and gentlemen, how
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  good to be able to speak again and to be together in this new edition
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  of Holy Week Thus, a Holy Week, true in the train of life,
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  for yes, we are in the month of neither salt according to the
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  Hebrew calendar and it coincides precisely with the time when Jesus was crucified on the
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  outskirts of Jerusalem on the Mount of Calavera, Monte Golgotá, a very important
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  fact, especially for the faithful, believers, truth, all Christian confessions.
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  Yes, the truth is that this has been a truly portentous fact. Well,
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  today we' re going to have that present in the program with several
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  friends and while the news comes and goes of all colors. You know.
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  This morning we have the privilege of having John Paul Bongarra with us. Juan
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  Pablo Guerra is a character in Buenos Aires. John Paul or Guerra is the
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  pastor of the Church of the Open Door, a beautiful church. It has
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  homers, about 2, 000 members. Besides, but very well organized as
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  an impressive trajectory. His father already José bon Garrar, a well- known
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  man, very relevant in the evangelical world. Well, he' s followed
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  the path, even increases it a lot and then with the schools that have
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  primary and that and high school, and well, there are many have a
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  whole complex of magnificent schools and he also has his daily program. For ten
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  years, precisely on Canal Luz, a television that is seen in more than
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  1, 200 cities and throughout the Latin American continent, including in the United
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  States, in several cities, on Hispanic channels. Actually, our dear brother
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  who left with the lord during the Sylvestre pandemic, was the founder. I
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  had the honor of eating with him on one occasion, on a visit to
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  Buenos Aires. There, in fact, well, it wasn' t in
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  Buenos Aires, but we were together eating and chatting and I was in the
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  dependencies of Canal Luz also in Rosario. Sure, if you remember Messi,
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  you remember Rosario in Rosario, where the headquarters is. Well, then,
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  Juan Pablo Bongarra has that daily program from Monday to Friday, he has a
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  technical equipment and he is a man who has a unique personal charisma. The
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  truth. He has led campaigns by the music director, choir director, of
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  great choirs, has directed campaigns by Luis Palao in the stadiums of Buenos Aires,
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  including Billie Graham too and then has also published his book recently. I
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  think miracles will tell us about it and he asked me for July. I
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  ' m going to make my daily program here so that it will leave immediately
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  the day, the next day in Buenos Aires and we recorded it. We
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  recorded it. Here it' s recorded and freshly recorded. Juan Pablo is
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  visiting Seville, Madrid, several Spanish cities, still coming from Israel, from
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  a trip to Israel with his Chamber, the Chamber that accompanies Sebastian, an
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  excellent boy, a professional and good, because here they have been with us
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  and we have had the taste with Jan Mallenas, with Juan Pablo Hongarra.
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  Juan Pablo has also been president of the Fraternity of Pastors of Buenos Aires,
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  Buenos Aires for several years. He is a very dear man, very much
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  admired, because he is always a man who is an integrator. And well,
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  there it will be with us and the other look of today is what
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  we are going to talk about, a look different from the current one,
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  with Yao Mallenas, with the exquisiteness that has already Uma Full to make reflections.
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  It is a luxury to be able to count on this man among us
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  and also John Paul Onguerra and already O Mallenas will be sharing with us reflections
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  about Good, diverse, about the present, about the program, also of
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  the open door John Paul, because it will lead this time. I have
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  gladly given you this site and then we will continue to the next station and
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  we will be in an interview with the author Rocca, our family doctor,
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  here on the train of life from the beginning. Well, Dr Roca will
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  talk to us today about a forensic medical vision. Notice how much better than
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  a forensic doctor on Christ’ s sufferings he could withstand all that brutal Jesus
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  scourge. Maybe in the passion of mel Gick. They are the historic,
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  magnificent, sensational movie of mel Gick. They' re passion. There we
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  see a bleeding Christ, not or bloody, but so it is. It
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  was really a living sore and good, there was more. What happened before
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  during and after the Cross with Jesus. Well, a doctor like him,
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  plus a man of faith, pastor also of a Baptist church in the city
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  of Martorey and a great friend. Well, we' ll move on after
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  this interview with Doro Roca and we' ll talk a little bit to Judith
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  Caso, the psychotherapist who often accompanies us she and her dad Daniel Gasso.
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  This time it' s Judith and she' ll talk to us. I
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  asked him to tell us about the importance of transmitting spiritual values to our children,
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  the importance of transmitting values to what you say. Well, you to
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  doctrines to your psychology. He taught me to my children in the school,
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  He taught me to my children in the media. My indoctrination to my children
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  or they try to indoctrinate them. No, not to teach them, to
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  teach them good principles, good practices, all that, that' s what
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  the father does to us, he' s irresponsible. Let' s go
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  and then we what better inheritance than the one we' ve received look fifty
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  years later. So I have two precious sons, Rachel and my sons and
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  my sea, who are excellent, God- fearing, serving the Lord and
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  then also, for example, my daughter. She is a teacher in active
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  hico, pedagogue, seas, professional sales agent and man of a hard-
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  core reader and a man are such good children and the principles that they have
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  embraced and have always sheltered and that they live and enjoy them And it has
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  been a way also that they took their own choices and because they lived the
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  transmission of these values in our home since they were born, because they were
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  ratified, they said we chose to be Christians, Christian confessors of truth or
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  lie and to live the values of the Kingdom of God in this world,
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  truth And so it has been and so it has been. And well,
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  then, we are a family, because like so many Christian families, good
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  truth. Therefore, this transmission of spiritual values in our children works and is
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  a blessing and a great inheritance. Well, then, with these three luxury
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  interviews, we' re going to have good music, good advice and you
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  ' ll be here in a little moment Marcos Vidal and Ulises of the Rescue
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  Group talking about the Cruz Bonita song and then we have more proposals and more
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  things that we' ll be talking about. Come with me We' re
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  going to travel together on the train of life. You can send your message
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  through our Facebook, through our Facebook, entering three months double point, the
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  train of life, point is the train of life, the point is.
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  They remember that this way you collaborate with us. Tell us your impressions,
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  ask us and participate actively. We want to meet you, we want to
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  meet you on our website. Three months double points, the train of life,
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  dot is and follow us through Facebook. At the same time I could
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  tell and tell about you a hundred thousand stories and I would never do justice
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  to you and I could keep your memory for years and proclaim your great news
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  and still do what we give equally owe everything to your mercy. Your patience
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  is more than I can imagine and in a thousand years I could pay you.
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  And, no matter how much I learn, I can understand your indecipherable
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  love. Every day it brings me back to the same red. To dawn
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  every morning is to leave crum ore again first and light the stains of my
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  soul, see the riaza that stubborn your head, that includes my poverty,
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  that ends on the cross. I have been the delights of life and it
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  is the open sea and I have looked at the blue sky floating over the
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  yellow of the desert and I continue to fall in love every day with the
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  morning light and still awake always in the same place, on the mountain that
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  heard you scream. And, no matter how much I learn, I can
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  ' t understand the essence of your indecipherable love, which every day gives me
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  the same red dawn every morning. When I was born again where I first
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  saw the light and the stains of my soul I weep lick it out,
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  your head is held, my poverty is tilted, it ends at the turn
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  and now a replica for the sixties and will paint another velázquez the meninas and
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  return to the dark swallows. But nothing like the rution of it was achieved,
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  where the first light nor the stains of my greatest labe gas. My
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  pass is my hour, it' s my house and my vedra, everything
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  happens and everything that will soon be obspiated your head, that bends my poverty,
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  that ends cross, passes me is my home, it' s my
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  house and alive, everything happens and everything remains cru Today I can' t.
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  I' m meeting an ambulance friend. Okay, I' ll see
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  you tonight at the cement store. Your phone has self- correction. Your
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  car doesn' t drive and write At the same time it doesn' t
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  usually have a good end at the wheel ninety- nine percent of your attention
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  isn' t enough. Dirección General de Traffic, Ministerio del Interior, Gobierno
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  de Espas what Luis, Juanjo' s friend, said to prevent him from
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  abusing his partner. When there' s abuse in a couple, it'
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  s not just couple stuff. Don' t allow gender- based violence.
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  Call zero sixteen there is exit, Ministry of Health, Social Services to Equality,
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  Government of Spain. If you want to visit our website, the website
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  wwwwww. Point the train of life, of life to good that will be
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  asking where John Paul is when I told him that I was going to be
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  trying to recreate, mobilize, do something new and I have to announce that
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  well, it is not working so easy, because the recordings that I made
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  in my passage through Israel are going to take a while so that we can
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  get them out in the air to edit them. So, I think this
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  week we' re gonna be able to put one or two of them.
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  But tonight I am in Barcelona, at the house of my great friend Julio
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  Pérez, at this radio station and with the company also of Jaume Enplenes,
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  which we have had in the program two or three times. So I want
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  to thank, first of all, Julio for allowing us to do the program
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  at the door open from here, from his radio studio in the center of
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  Barcelona. Thank you, thank you, Julio, thank you, John Paul.
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  It' s an honor for us to be here, in the master
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  car of the train of life, the first, but it' s your
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  three you' re of good, because what we' re doing on this
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  one what we' re doing on this night here is morning, at noon,
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  it' s going to broadcast July on his Thursday radio show, it
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  ' s true and we' re going to get it out. The air
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  as it' s coming out right now. It is also in Jaume that
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  such smoke in pleasure to be able to be together this time if this time
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  we do not talk between continents and we are not all in the same place
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  in Barcelona, that you make me. In Barcelona it is a spectacular city
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  and the truth that we wanted to make shots and we hope to be able
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  to make them. But it' s a gray day and I think it
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  must be raining outside. So you' re going to have to believe that
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  we' re not on the outskirts of Buenos Aires, but in Barcelona.
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  How can we attest that we are in Barcelona, Well, I don'
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  t know it could be later if we take any, we make some shots
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  outdoors. We are in the Olympic Port of Barcelona, the Barcelona of Olympic,
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  and well it will be seen. I think there' ll be some
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  shots, some sentences. We wanted to say that from the window where we
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  are, on the radio, in the offices of the Bethany Church, that
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  well let' s talk a little bit about that you can see Mount Tibidabo.
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  No and because cloudy and also the top of the family cathedral is not
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  the sacred family, be it visibly totally, but today is one of those
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  few days. So, one- on- one. If it was because
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  I came, I don' t look, it' s just that time
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  is crazy. I wanted to receive the rain that is not bad, not
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  bad nine jaume what means for the people of Barcelona the Catholic Cathedral of the
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  Sagrada Familia is valid and is a work of the beginning of the 20th century
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  that, in some way, represents the re- emergence of the city after
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  a time of some darkness. It represents in the Catalan bourgeoisie the recomposition of
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  society, the cultural recomposition. Therefore, there is a certain identification of Catalan
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  society with the building of the Sagrada Familia, the Basilica we call it Cathedral
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  Cathedral. It is not because the cathedral is in the center of the city
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  and it is a little bit more and it is made in the place where
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  the ensancheva shampla is called, which is the place where the new urgent class
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  at that moment where the Catalan bourgeoisie emerged on business, on the new prosperity.
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  It installs an emblematic building entrusted to Gaudí, which is the Sagrada Familia
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  and to the evangelicals that means the endless cathedral. But it' s closer
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  to finishing than good. Yes, I think about two thousand thirty is planned,
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  it was two thousand twenty- seven, but with the pandemic it was
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  lent a little attention to the works. But now the Tower of Jesus has
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  opened, which is a very beautiful tower, which is with a star that
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  gives a lot of light on Barcelona night. But, I think it must
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  be interpreted as a great work, a monumental, a work of art,
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  monumental. Antonio Gaudie was a God- fearing man, a great teacher,
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  architect, well, a genius and his school he created, but he was
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  a God- fearing man. Check it out. This man came and went
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  to work every day and was accidentally hit by a tram because he was like
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  everything else, full of dust and like a man from a homeless man.
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  No and they didn' t know when they saw him dead, they didn
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  ' t know he was Antonio Gaudí, the great genius and he was,
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  like, a man of God' s terms and he' s done a
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  very nice hour. I believe that it is to admire and celebrate what I
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  know many times in the atmosphere of the most traditional churches that the cathedrals and
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  Jaume art are despised what cathedrals mean to the philosophical thought of Europe, because
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  they take you to be in Paris and you can not stop going to our
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  age. It' s true and good. And so my friends. Yesterday
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  I went through Italy for another matter, and my friends went to see the
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  homo of Milan and many times we say good. That' s idolatry,
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  but I think it' s a little narrow that look. What a thought.
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  First, the appreciation of art. Art is part of what God wanted.
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  God commanded us to discover the world, to discover the world that he
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  had made. In any case, in which humans discover the world that God
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  has made, one is scientific research, in which we see the main lines
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  that he has put it and discover others. Art is creative beings. We
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  were directly sent to cultivate the garden and part of cultivating the garden is producing
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  beauty. Since God produces beauty, God is a God of aesthetics, God
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  does not do ugly things. Then we sin forgiveness is true forgiveness. I
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  ' m gonna use a Woody Allen joke in an interview with Billi Gream.
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  Well, it hasn' t been bad stuff every time I see myself on
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  the morning EP. I have to question that civilization is not a quantity of
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  god is an aesthetic God, it is a God who does not conform to
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  doing useful things, but is a God of aesthetics and has created all that
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  aesthetics for us, for human beings. Then the human being. When he
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  creates places of worship, he creates places of worship with beauty, with aesthetics,
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  And it has to be seen that, although there are things with which
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  we do not identify ourselves, the same Gaudi, the same modin produces a
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  work that is very Marian in that sense, the center is occupied by Mary
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  practically not Jesus in that work. Then we do not feel fully identified with
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  such a work. But, despite everything, it continues to manifest the fact
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  that Europe is a continent that has formed. The existence of Europe and what
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  Europe represented for many and many centuries is the influence of Christianity on Europe.
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  Christianity Europe is generating. Europe did not exist as a concept. Europe is
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  generated by the fact that countries are becoming Christian countries. The last to be
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  converted is Lithuania, one thousand two hundred, and something is not. But
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  from that point on, the whole of Europe is that it is. There
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  has been no place in the world that has experienced one thousand seven hundred years
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  of Christianity. Of course, what we are seeing there is the product of
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  a Christian worldview, applied to law, applied to art, applied to urban
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  planning. The Christian completely permeates everything, not everything we see in Europe,
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  beautiful, because there is also the existence of evil and sin. But it
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  is very important to see that these buildings are a finding that Christianity has influenced
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  society for thousands of years. It' s interesting. He thinks very interesting
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  that many times I say the artist that, as he put a musical work,
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  for example, he may think that he is atheist does not believe in
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  God. But what he cannot deny is that he has the image of God.
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  And that image of God, in the case of a creator, of
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  an artist, is expressed through a work of art, where God, that
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  is, Shopen was not a person of a Christian morality. I' d
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  say no. The things he composed move you today because he finally had the
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  creator gene of the God who created him, Jaume in the case. To
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  end with this culture, Jaume says that Europe was formed by Christianity. Today,
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  this trend continues. Today Europe remains a Christian continent. I don'
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  t think so, if it' s ever been. That is, one
• 34:00
  thing is the Christian worldview. The impact of Christianity on Europe, which is
• 34:05
  quite evident, and that impact today continues and remains more present in the countries
• 34:08
  that have undergone reform. It is very curious that there is a list of
• 34:15
  international transparency, that what it does is to publish the orderly list of countries
• 34:21
  that have the least corruption in the world. And it is very curious that
• 34:23
  in the first fourteen places there are all countries that have had an important reform,
• 34:30
  which has a very important influence of reform. The first country not to
• 34:34
  have undergone reform, Ireland, appears in number 14. It is very curious,
• 34:38
  because so far all the other countries are countries that have experienced reform.
• 34:43
  That is why this impact of five hundred years ago in countries where they have
• 34:47
  renounced their Christian heritage and today are clearly secular. However, it remains in
• 34:52
  force in all countries where women reach high places of responsibility, where equality in
• 34:58
  society is highest. They are all countries where reform had a major impact.
• 35:02
  There are lists about this. It is very curious how the reform, five
• 35:07
  hundred years later, continues to have an impressive impact on European society today.
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  By houme it looks like Latin America, we see a continent I would say
• 35:22
  as disoriented, as it has lost the compass. They choose very questionable candidates
• 35:30
  and those who are elected are really very contradictory. What happened July well,
• 35:39
  is European complexity. On the other hand, it is the richest continent in
• 35:45
  the world, most complacent. Now he begins to question him on the subject
• 35:52
  of war, of war, which means that, regardless of how this ends,
• 35:57
  the water will probably end, but there will be its aftermath. Europe
• 36:02
  has to reconfigure, arm itself to the teeth in the face of a potential
• 36:08
  danger like Mr Putin or anyone else who comes with some of these stories from
• 36:15
  that side. But does Europe have many loose ends? A lot of loose
• 36:20
  ends? It has interesting things in terms of democracy, but it is an
• 36:24
  increasingly exclusive democracy in terms of creating in some respects a single secularist thought,
• 36:31
  camper secularism. Not then diversity. For example, the Jewish Christian culture wants
• 36:40
  to be erased from the map at all costs, because it is guilty,
• 36:47
  because it weighs, because it weighs, because it is a protest of morals,
• 36:54
  an ancient morality supposedly Christian. This is where we have to go.
• 36:55
  So Europe, yes, you have described it very well, there are many
• 37:01
  contradictions with everything and with it is the richest continent in the world right now,
• 37:08
  but it is facing a crisis Europe. I believe that Europe, also
• 37:14
  from my biblical perception, is also the scene of unwanted events for the future
• 37:22
  of Europe and the whole world. Yes, yes, well, you opened
• 37:28
  Julio a topic, the subject of war, when I prepared the trip to
• 37:31
  go to Israel and pass through Spain. Some are very concerned because I traveled
• 37:37
  with the war already. It took twenty- five days and the truth is
• 37:47
  that the news is almost unchanged. I read the newspapers of Argentina, it
• 37:53
  is true, but that repeat this follows what it says, buting what it
• 38:00
  says and what, Julio, what is expected. You said like nothing'
• 38:07
  s gonna happen. You used a very Spanish expression, burrasque water. Well,
• 38:12
  then they explain it to me. Yes, yes, I have to
• 38:14
  show that I understood it, but yes, let' s say it will,
• 38:20
  but world geopolitics automatically changes self, and that, that' s going
• 38:28
  to mean a lot of positioning changes, repositioning that already Europe, the United
• 38:34
  States, also recapitulates. And America doesn' t want to get into a
• 38:37
  lot of trouble. It has enough with its own, I mean, and
• 38:42
  then, in geopolitics, let' s say the actors China, Russia in
• 38:50
  more stone cardboard, but also and India, as an important emerging actor,
• 38:57
  are going to give a lot to talk about, a lot to talk about,
• 39:00
  they' re going to condition many things, and that' s what
• 39:07
  it means that the war in Ukraine has its history. This is also not
• 39:07
  only by spontaneous generation, not only the conflict with Crimea in the two thousand
• 39:15
  fourteen, but it already has its historical. The conflict has always been to
• 39:19
  the Ukraine and Russia. Russia' s imperialist delusions reappear by computing, but
• 39:27
  the truth is that it will generate new conflicts. Even if this conflict ends,
• 39:32
  Europe is threatened, and in part of the whole world, by Russia,
• 39:37
  by China, even though China does not practice hot wars, because it
• 39:44
  practices trade and economic wars, which is what is best for it a capitalist
• 39:49
  foreign policy and an atrocious communist policy within, that is, the paradoxes of
• 39:53
  world politics. Philosophically, how do you see what' s going on in
• 40:07
  Ukraine in the sense that the balance after the Second World War broke, where
• 40:12
  conflicts were supposed to be fixed by talking and Eupe Cachi returning to a thousand
• 40:23
  nine hundred and fourteen to enter with a tank of war, a thing that
• 40:30
  seemed to me like a movie, not until what, I old, what
• 40:39
  messages does that carry? He did bring a message, first of all,
• 40:45
  a spiritual message that we must not lose sight of that evil exists and that
• 40:49
  is something that sometimes seems to disappear. Brother, you like not to talk
• 40:53
  about sin, do not talk about these things, because that is uncomfortable,
• 40:57
  this is ancient this, but what we really see are manifestations of evil and
• 41:02
  there is a spiritual reading. When the church is not strong in one place,
• 41:07
  the evil below arises. It is very interesting, because when you weaken
• 41:13
  that which retains evil, this is something that the writing speaks of. Evil
• 41:16
  has opportunities to arise. It arose with Nazism in Europe. We have been
• 41:22
  victims of great resurrections of evil and at this moment we note that what is
• 41:28
  always done is to eliminate the church, which in some way or sometimes the
• 41:31
  Church is eliminated alone. I mean that, for example, when in Germany,
• 41:37
  at the end of the 19th century, theological liberalism is adopted, the
• 41:42
  Lutheran Church becomes a largely liberal church, so that the backbone of the church
• 41:46
  ceases to believe in writing. When the backbone of the Church is broken,
• 41:52
  there remains a paradiged church. There is still a large structure, but it
• 41:55
  really does not contain life inside. When there is no life within, the
• 41:59
  the, the evil rises, evil is beneath, the sea is always below.
• 42:01
  It' s like a volcano that the magma is under the earth and
• 42:06
  when you break a crack, the evil comes under it. This is what
• 42:12
  is happening in Europe. Europe has lost its soul. Sometimes we have become
• 42:16
  Europe with a different constitutive account. Our constitutive account is the Gospel. What
• 42:22
  has made Europe Europe is Christianity, it is the Gospel. But, as
• 42:28
  we have removed it at this time, everything that protected that evil did not
• 42:30
  arise has been removed and then evil, which has always been there, then
• 42:35
  has strength to come out. And that is an issue that we have to
• 42:37
  consider very well. It is a perspective from which the scriptures speak to us
• 42:42
  over and over again through the kings of Israel. They were there. But
• 42:45
  when somehow the belief in Yab is removed in that God who has to rule
• 42:52
  Israel, the sea was also within the people to go real. Bad is
• 42:54
  inside Europe too. So that is a first reading of what we have there
• 42:59
  is and then there are other forces, which is to do with geopolitics,
• 43:02
  it has to do with who controls Europe. We must see that world wars
• 43:08
  all begin in Europe. And let us not lose sight of this world war
• 43:14
  does not start to line up there, but it is a matter that occurs
• 43:17
  on European soil, mainly in World War II. He also had places in
• 43:22
  Asia, your places in Africa. But war is a European war, essentially.
• 43:25
  Citizens who die mostly are European citizens. So, of course, Europe
• 43:30
  is a very important continent for global geopolitics and, moreover, it is a
• 43:35
  very important content because it exports ideology. Today. The universities of the world
• 43:40
  are secular universities. Secularism is advancing throughout the university world and it is European
• 43:46
  universities with an American accent, with the Australian center, with a Latin American
• 43:52
  accent, but it is the European university today, it is the pattern that
• 43:58
  is exporting secularism to the whole world. Sure. That is why they are
• 44:00
  all issues that are very important at the ideological level to see what is forming
• 44:05
  the mind of Europe and the world right now. I conclude with reflection the
• 44:09
  masterful description Yes July, to close what is being in the Church of Spain.
• 44:17
  In general, it is not true with the issue of refugees, who
• 44:22
  say that it is already above the four million if you look at Spain that
• 44:30
  we suffer from some things, we are always self- critical, not self
• 44:35
  - critical with our defects, but Spain has a gift as a country and
• 44:39
  is a very generous country, very supportive. When there is a tragedy anywhere
• 44:42
  in the world, Spanish society mobilizes. But from the top and here the
• 44:47
  Spanish society has turned. The evangelical churches, the most insignificant of the churches,
• 44:53
  have collected collections, for example, in our area of Catalonia and me
• 44:59
  Costas, Madrid, to Andalusia everywhere, but in Catalonia, for example,
• 45:02
  closely from the Evangeli cult and the Evangelical Alliance, Solidarity Alliance. All well,
• 45:07
  the collection aid has been immense, that is, it has been a
• 45:12
  historical tipping. I' ve never seen anything like it. Solidarity with Ukrainians,
• 45:16
  for example, in Catalonia there are at the reception today of fifteen zero
• 45:21
  Ukrainians who are already located. An amount of one hundred and ten zero is
• 45:29
  expected, said the President of the Government. They' re probably gonna come
• 45:31
  more. All we can house are going to house them. Here there are
• 45:36
  places, for example, the house of the FIEI here, in the middle
• 45:37
  of the valleys that have taken, that is, Ukrainian families, also solitary
• 45:45
  initiatives, number of Christian organizations that have adapted the place to receive families.
• 45:52
  So this is wonderful what' s going on. I think Enrique Montenegro,
• 46:00
  who is in Madrid and he wrote me that he was going to the borders
• 46:06
  as an acro with Juan Pacano, yes with micros to bring no. We
• 46:09
  can' t do that Latin American, not what we can help in this
• 46:15
  case. I think I said it, but one of our missionaries in North
• 46:21
  Africa is mobilizing just to go work together with Remar in Romania. He'
• 46:30
  s following, he' s doing an extraordinary, impressive job, that'
• 46:37
  s right. Thank God. Well, here we are. You think so,
• 46:40
  lie, this is the open door. I didn' t give him
• 46:44
  the phone, but he' s probably gonna show up there on screen.
• 46:46
  Write it down tonight at 3: 00 in the morning. He wakes you
• 46:51
  up to Julio and sends a message, at least to cheer us up.
• 46:55
  Not that, but minor. Let' s go plus fifty- four,
• 47:02
  nine, fifty- four, nine, eleven, eleven, two, two,
• 47:07
  three, seven, seven, seven? Zero? Zero? Zero?
• 47:12
  Zero? You told me before to have fifty- four more, the more.
• 47:19
  I think you' re missing a zero. In the end. I
• 47:20
  think it' s four. That' s four, four zeros, since
• 47:23
  it' s us. We' re gonna make you five, four,
• 47:28
  nine, one, one, two, seven, seven, seven? Zero?
• 47:30
  Zero? Zero? Zero? Well, the last one' s gonna
• 47:32
  tell me. But if this is recorded, well. But if you get
• 47:37
  your message, I' ll get it and I' ll be very encouraged
• 47:39
  to know that you' re there watching the program. We' re still
• 47:44
  here at the open door, but I' m visiting. I must not
• 47:47
  forget that here is a driver of his own show and this we are recording
• 47:52
  for the open door, which is going to come out on TV, is
• 47:58
  going to come out also on the radio. This is July, so the
• 48:00
  presentation of your program. Well, the Life Train. You know, we
• 48:05
  ' ve turned thirty, thirty, and over six zero programs broadcast. Also
• 48:13
  my forgiveness more than six zero hours, pardon more than 1, 500 six
• 48:19
  hundred almost programs issued in these thirty years. Of course, in thirty years
• 48:24
  we have seen many sociological changes and many and many things. I remembered when
• 48:30
  we started a program like the Train of Life, which is a living parable.
• 48:34
  We don' t like to go by train and see the human landscapes
• 48:37
  and what happens inside the train. And well, already oma is one of
• 48:40
  the regular guests monthly on the Life Train. And the truth is that I
• 48:45
  remember when we started this program in a thousand nine hundred and ninety- two
• 48:52
  before the Olympics the year of Spain, the Olympics of Barcelona, which was
• 48:54
  a historic year for Spain, the truth, a medal boxer, twenty-
• 48:59
  two medals that we won as never before. But they said in the Christian
• 49:01
  realm, they said this program is too mundane, because we interviewed people and
• 49:07
  talked in the ninety- two, that is, and now, not now.
• 49:12
  Yeah. The pattern has been reproduced on several stations that make this kind
• 49:15
  of program, because in Europe, if you don' t talk like that,
• 49:21
  you don' t enter into social discourse. They don' t even
• 49:23
  listen to you You' re preaching in one of them telepulls. That people
• 49:29
  here don' t listen to you or anything. But in this way you
• 49:32
  do see, for example, listening to you listen to yaoma and say independently
• 49:38
  that we have intentional evangelism flases, but contextualizes you and say these guys what
• 49:46
  is interesting, clear and capture their attention. I thirty years, thirty years
• 49:52
  and how about thirty years. I' m just eighteen years old like this
• 49:57
  from this TV show, but of course all the no- che jaume every
• 50:00
  day, you know, not once a week for a few years was two
• 50:04
  times three hours of the show. Well, I make five. Well,
• 50:07
  with the help of Esteban, he' s giving me a big hand.
• 50:10
  These days I' ve been traveling and recording shows that I hope I'
• 50:17
  ll soon be able to put them on the air. I thought it was
• 50:21
  going to be easier, but editing is going to cost. But, well,
• 50:28
  I think this week we' re gonna be able to put first.
• 50:30
  You won' t tell me and why the book. I believe in a
• 50:35
  miracle, if he' s there and I' m ashamed of him,
• 50:38
  I' m afraid he won' t advertise the book, but you didn
• 50:44
  ' t read it because I just gave it to you. Indeed, but
• 50:45
  we trust you that you are part of the Gospel history of this century.
• 50:50
  Well, you' re already starting from the past. So I don'
• 50:52
  t say, I think so and seriously speaking, I think John Paul is
• 50:57
  one of the witnesses to the gospel movement in Argentina, one of the section
• 51:02
  witnesses. He is also a very dear man who has also starred in historical
• 51:07
  moments in the campaigns of Luis Palao, also of Bibliograham and also with the
• 51:14
  pastors of the city, with what is the development of the evangelical movement in
• 51:19
  Argentina. And I, who saw the program of the Park Luna, Moon
• 51:24
  pair of Moon part in that presentation. Well, that was apotheosic of the
• 51:30
  presentation, I believe in miracles, very nice. Well, don' t
• 51:34
  miss this book, you have to buy it. It' s on the
• 51:37
  Amazon Amazon platform. Yes for those who are not from Argentina, yes,
• 51:42
  for those who are from Argentina. It' s on the Bible Shop platform.
• 51:45
  Please note that it is the platform of the Argentine Biblical Society, because
• 51:51
  I gave the entire edition to biblical society and if you eat it, you
• 51:55
  were President for many years, six years, six years, well, it
• 52:00
  couldn' t be more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe I got
• 52:02
  kicked out, but the other one didn' t. No. No,
• 52:04
  no, well, it occurred to me that I' m not going to
• 52:09
  write other books, so I didn' t do it for the money.
• 52:13
  You wrote the book a lot, didn' t you? Don' t
• 52:15
  you? Don' t you? So much? Don' t you?
• 52:15
  So much, I' ve written things, some document, some book,
• 52:20
  too, but little thing. Yeah, I should, I should, but
• 52:22
  it doesn' t give me time. Problem being. You all have a
• 52:24
  lecture on the issue and then being. That prevents your day- to-
• 52:29
  day life, sometimes the trauma is giving lectures and many interesting topics Since CVG
• 52:36
  has also greatly impressed the audience. Not the times he had good, no
• 52:43
  wonder. Yes and today we were impressed with one thing, with one example,
• 52:49
  a metaphor for Australia. Now we' re going to say it because
• 52:53
  it doesn' t say it, it impacted us, or it doesn'
• 52:58
  t sound silly. How it is done for people to skip over the Savior
• 53:06
  of the Helpful. My great friend once said at a well- fed sheep
• 53:10
  conference, we skipped the being I am and we' re chatting before the
• 53:15
  show started and you said something about Australia. We were talking about Christian unity.
• 53:23
  We don' t say that sometimes we try to promote unity, generate
• 53:28
  fences, set boundaries, say you don' t get out of here,
• 53:31
  don' t get over this. This one' s in or, this
• 53:34
  one' s out. But we were talking about the center of Christianity being
• 53:37
  Christ. This is the key, the key to being a Christian, is
• 53:40
  a constant and permanent approach. To Jesus let us say that this is the
• 53:45
  way in Australia they keep animals that, instead of building a fence, because
• 53:51
  that country is huge. What they do is put a source and clear that
• 53:54
  all animals have to go there. The source is Christ. This is the
• 53:58
  Lord, what a bus it is to help people get to Christ, to
• 54:04
  approach and where the tendency that we have to make secas comes from because I
• 54:09
  believe because we are insecure and excessive insecurity. We want to control and the
• 54:16
  exercise of leadership through control is totally inefficient. By contrast, helping people to
• 54:22
  meet Jesus is the best guarantee. It' s very curious. When we
• 54:27
  were in Rome two thousand eighteen, we had a meeting of the Osana Movement,
• 54:30
  a group of specialists on the subject of nominalism. Nominalism is a person
• 54:36
  who has a Christian name, but really the content of Christianity is not in
• 54:40
  it and we try to define it. Not because we had always looked at
• 54:45
  nominalism. Out of the world, Egelito. You know, there was a
• 54:50
  nominal Catholics, nominal Orthodox, even nominal Protestants. But we begin to look
• 54:54
  for the first time at nominalism and begin to define it as not a matter
• 54:58
  of a switch on off in a matter of life direction, whether your life
• 55:04
  is heading towards Christ, and this in various respects, is not only whether
• 55:08
  you go to worship on Sunday or not, but whether in your daily life
• 55:12
  you are following in the direction of Christ or not. Also not yes in
• 55:16
  your testimony, And that' s where we saw nominalism as an approach to
• 55:22
  Jesus or as a way out of js. A nominal is a person who
• 55:25
  is coming out, who is moving away from Jesus in each of the areas
• 55:30
  of the VI. Well, we' re just finishing up. God I
• 55:35
  love him, although we get news from China, from the city of Shanghai,
• 55:39
  that there is like a regrowth of covid Let us hope that in this
• 55:45
  case the Chinese behave well and do not export it. But we' ve
• 55:47
  had two years of pandemic and all three of us are church pastors. In
• 55:54
  the case of the Betaña Church here in Barcelona, July. Effect, has
• 56:00
  occurred. I think the symptom you' ve had is that of general.
• 56:06
  I am the director of the Evangelical Council of the Churches of Barcelona. I
• 56:10
  also think I have a global look as well as some ministries in the country
• 56:16
  and we all regret the same. There is one let' s say there
• 56:22
  has been a entrenchment of people as to perhaps in comfort, laziness has also
• 56:29
  settled and some who had no deep roots, as they have disappeared from the
• 56:35
  churches and the return is costing practically in all churches, the return to congregationalism,
• 56:42
  because I believe it is not an obsession. Let' s say people
• 56:49
  who have megalomania, a megalanmaniac that we want to be all and many for
• 56:54
  being there to not unless congregationalism is irreplaceable. In the word of God we
• 57:01
  see the meeting point made five forty- two and that every day, in
• 57:06
  the temple and in the houses, they did not cease to teach and preach
• 57:09
  cherigma to Jesus Christ and means in the atrium they went there, because that
• 57:15
  was an impressive spiritual and social revolution. Congregationalism is irreplaceable, because the synergy
• 57:22
  that occurs in the meeting, the interaction of the Christian meeting cannot be achieved
• 57:29
  in any other way and the author of the Letter of the Hebrews already said
• 57:32
  so. At that time do not cease to gather together, as some have
• 57:37
  custom and much more when you see that day approaching two thousand years later.
• 57:42
  Now, sir' s day is closer than ever. Therefore, we are
• 57:46
  seeing that it is costing Bethany, but well, the Church we thank to
• 57:52
  you a healthy Church, a well- coherent Church. Overall, we have
• 57:58
  also had new membership, a significant number of surprisingly new people who we don
• 58:04
  ' t often know from anywhere or family members. Also that they have met
• 58:07
  the lord of the customers, but I have with them another part of the
• 58:13
  old membergy, because it is still there debating between I go or I do
• 58:19
  not go, and this with colleagues they are telling us that they are living
• 58:21
  the same thing. Yes, now the text. I talk a lot about
• 58:25
  that Hebrew text chapter ten, not stopping us from congregating. You jumped,
• 58:32
  obviously, because it wasn' t what Julio meant, but it shows a
• 58:38
  style of congregation, exhorting each other to love and good works. Yes,
• 58:45
  sir, very important, of course, but it turns out that many churches
• 58:51
  have become places where a lot of people look to a certain place and do
• 58:57
  not do that that the Hebrew diecise does not see it as a flaw in
• 59:06
  the cultic functioning of the churches of Angelica, yes, yes. Of course,
• 59:08
  the problem is that a church is a community of the Gospel and the
• 59:14
  two elements have to be there. And community does not mean a conference room
• 59:19
  where I go on Sunday to hear a great message, but to make community
• 59:23
  that the community has to live seven days a week. The Community does not
• 59:28
  live one day of the week and then until the next chute we are given
• 59:32
  as a congregation, but we have to start thinking, to really create communities
• 59:37
  that work every day of the week. And what dynamics allow that in a
• 59:40
  big city like Barcelona, like Buenos Aires, that yes, it is a
• 59:45
  big city, Well, not Barcelona, But it is curious how we have
• 59:49
  to promote dynamics of proximity, that is, people cannot be isolated and this
• 59:53
  has sometimes been one of the problems of the pandemic, that we have left
• 59:57
  isolated people, people who have stopped experiencing the Community, not only to stop
• 1:00:00
  coming, but to experience the Community. And that' s where I think
• 1:00:06
  we have to tighten, because today, one of the problems of our societies,
• 1:00:09
  great societies, is loneliness. Today, many people live in solitude,
• 1:00:14
  except in those moments when they meet some people, Sunday morning, Sunday afternoon.
• 1:00:22
  But this does not end the loneliness of the people and, instead,
• 1:00:24
  Jesus created communities of the Gospel. Now what also brought about the pandemic is
• 1:00:34
  a growth in the whole use of technologies. Does it have the positive side
• 1:00:39
  and the negative side? The negative? What would it be? Anything would
• 1:00:45
  mention Julio. Well, there' s a lot of what' s here
• 1:00:49
  in Spanish. Morraya means morraya, it means ugly thing, a lot of
• 1:00:54
  dirt, there' s a lot of ugly stuff in the nets and a
• 1:00:59
  lot of good stuff. It is also convergent the two things do not coexist.
• 1:01:04
  And then also a lot of false prophecy, a cantinela of can of
• 1:01:10
  charlatans and sings mornings and livers, especially with pseudo evangelical questions. And good
• 1:01:15
  people, like Amelin' s flute player, play your music in turn,
• 1:01:21
  and there' s the streaming, let' s say the channels, and
• 1:01:28
  all that' s been great and it' s diversified communication. For example,
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  many people listen more to this kind of Spotify stuff or whatever it was
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  than, for example, radio or even television, but it diversified a lot,
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  but it has brought good things. It has been a very important instrument.
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  But there are also circuits and a number of things that are yes to
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  pastors. We don' t have to be afraid that the people and the
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  problem in the unity we talked about before is not in the people, in
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  the members of the churches, is in the pastors. I think we have
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  to have a broad heart, but we do care for the spiritual well-
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  being, the flock, the congregations, without alarms and without exaggerations. But
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  there are a number of toxic currents in the Christian world and at this time
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  they have grown exponentially. And how what advice you give a person to avoid
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  consuming toxic substances good look. What happens is that people, people have become
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  very gullible to anything, because I have to say it with respect and from
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  humility, also for the abandonment of a spiritual life deep readers of the Bible,
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  to meditate on art, to meditate on the Bible and then the culture
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  of a personal relationship with God, of a culture of intimacy, of approach
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  to God on a daily basis. And this is unstoppable. I can'
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  t do this. I am a person and like you and Oma, very
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  much involved in many stories, but for me it is sacred and during the
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  pandemic, this has increased positively. I need to be with the Lord I
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  need to talk to him about every compadre and open my heart to say to
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  father. But besides, meditating on the scriptures and this gives us a root
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  and deep roots that are we are going to safeguard us from any possible error.
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  And as far as membership is concerned, I think it is also important
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  that members, before they believe it all through the networks, consult with their
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  leaders, because there is a lot of false thing, a lot of deception,
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  the subtle deception that is masked with striking apparent things and that then lead
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  to disaster or you were dead and people and then what happens in many cases,
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  the abandonment of clear faith, the disappointment that these false messages produce,
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  so people in general say I don' t believe in anything you saw,
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  I' m still a Christian, but I' m already going to handle
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  myself in independent formaine. Jaume living the pandemic. I, among other things,
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  was surprised and told. And in July, when we came to the
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  studio, I was surprised to see so many Christians afraid to die. And
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  in a report I did to Carlos Naida that had a hard time in the
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  pandemic, he told me and caught my attention. Julio told him that it
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  is as a result that in the churches we are not preaching about eternal life,
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  if we have not given too much emphasis to preaching about life here,
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  like being successful, like not going well with the family, like being happy
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  what look, what do you think of that comment. Yeah, I'
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  m going back a little bit. You used to use a word that is
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  the word consume and it seems to me that somehow there is a model of
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  being a church, which is a model of a church for consumers. And
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  there I think there' s a serious problem, which is that we'
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  re feeding the monster. The monster we fight today is consumerism. Consumerism is
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  an alternative religion of our society. Many people have not gone to secularism,
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  they have gone to consumerism and sometimes we generate churches where we try to keep
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  people as consumers of religion and spirituality. So, we' re talking about
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  everything that we think is what they' re going to appreciate and what they
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  ' re going to pay for, because this is a key issue. Not
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  then, of course. This means a teaching that reaches the perceived needs of
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  people immediately, but that does not reach their real green needs, which are
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  at the bottom as we are not managing the real needs, but only the
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  perceived needs. Those people who pay to come and then stay there. But
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  we are not making disciples. We are not making followers of Jesus. The
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  disciple is a person who has to die to himself. And the consumer doesn
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  ' t want to die himself, he wants to be fed. What they
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  ' re going to give me, what they' re going to give me.
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  Instead, Jesus said that to follow him you had to take the cross.
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  And this is not the language of consumers. The consumer' s favorite
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  word is me. Give me food, feed me well, visit me when
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  I' m sick. I mean, he' s a self- centered
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  person. Instead, the other has to do with not focusing on yourself,
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  but focusing on the central God that you and you no longer live for yourself,
• 1:07:10
  but live for him. And this is a question that implies that that
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  person is a disciple in his work, in his family, in society,
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  in the political, in every area. Try to live Jesus. This is
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  much harder to make then clear, as we are scared, that takes time.
• 1:07:28
  In addition, it requires personal involvement, because they do not become disciples
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  from the pulpit. You have to get out of the pulpit. You have
• 1:07:33
  to minister person to person to become a disciple. And because this is hard
• 1:07:38
  for us, we sometimes prefer to preach from above. Only from up there,
• 1:07:42
  we throw signs. People find him well, they have no commitment.
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  He' s just going home and nothing else. And then, but we
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  ' re not doing it. For me it is one of the most serious
• 1:07:53
  problems that we have a lot of believers and very few disciples, that is,
• 1:07:59
  that the deep spiritual in many people is of a micron you know how
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  what gold plated do, of watches that put them aμm of gold.
• 1:08:09
  But the inside is not gold. And this seems to me to be the
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  problem. I consider this observation, that question you have asked and the reflection
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  of yaoma because it is a look I recently, well, I have been
• 1:08:20
  observing this trend for some time. But John Paul told you, the lord
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  instructed me to speak about the resurrection of the dead in the first of Corinthians
• 1:08:30
  fifteen, not so from the past sight of birds, but to develop a
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  little the subject in a pertinent and didactic way of what is the resurrection of
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  the dead, with the greatness, the grandeur of that fact, when Paul
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  masterfully wrote all that fifteenth chapter of the first Corinthians. Eternal life, that
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  endless life, to which we are called you say good, but we know
• 1:08:58
  a glimpse, but it is in the eternal purposes of God. There is
• 1:09:02
  project in eternity and we will be forever with the Lord Relive in that and
• 1:09:08
  then the new heavens and the new earth where justice dwells, the perfect world.
• 1:09:12
  This is not a utopia, this is our destiny. Then people.
• 1:09:16
  We have to remind our people that we have to open a window into eternity
• 1:09:20
  to get a little out of our self- absorbing anthropocentrism that sees everything and
• 1:09:27
  so much so that we talk about practical issues. The apostolic letters give instructions
• 1:09:31
  on personal ethics and other issues, but they look towards eternity. All that
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  we have to project, because it is our inheritance, it is our destiny.
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  And this enriches you and gives you a powerful anchor, a great friend
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  crisis. I don' t know if I' ve known his books here,
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  a magnificent evocative book, the program and he told of it' s
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  like an illustration. The ships used to be the means of transport. So,
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  if we wanted to go from America to Europe, we had to take
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  a boat. I know the boat went out and had a destination, but
• 1:10:18
  then the plane showed up. And then this no- one' s on
• 1:10:24
  a boat trip. You can travel by plane and they wanted the ships to
• 1:10:30
  become cruises, places or ships that have everything. You don' t need
• 1:10:36
  to go anywhere and many churches have become cruises where people go to get service,
• 1:10:44
  but it doesn' t go anywhere interesting. It seemed very illustrative to
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  me. Thank God the audience that follows the program In Latin America there are
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  many churches and two very thank God, that if they are not cruises,
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  they are certainly ships that know where they are going. That the factors in
• 1:11:12
  the midst of the difficulties, the struggle, the scarcity, continue to preach
• 1:11:16
  the Gospel, but many times I have to acknowledge, as a pastor,
• 1:11:24
  that I have tried to give people everything so that they do not leave and
• 1:11:30
  are trying to give them everything at once. We' re not going anywhere.
• 1:11:34
  What reflection you deserve This makes me think that what we really need is
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  this, that is, sometimes Jesus shook the tree, had a lot of
• 1:11:44
  followers and suddenly sent a message like that of the bread of life. You
• 1:11:49
  have to eat me. I' m the real one. I' m
• 1:11:54
  the real bread. I' m really the one who gives us life.
• 1:11:58
  And that' s the slope that sometimes we' re redirecting people to felt
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  needs, but not to where they actually feed them what they really need.
• 1:12:12
  And that worries me. I worry because sometimes we are not making disciples,
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  as I said in the previous question. It seems to me that making disciples
• 1:12:21
  is the greatest need of the Church, because to that we sometimes read mateus,
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  twenty- eight, nineteen, and do not read that verse and make
• 1:12:30
  disciples and read in our mind go and preach evangelius does not forgive the verse,
• 1:12:35
  says go and make disciples to all nations. That is, we,
• 1:12:41
  our business is to make disciples, to generate other people who are like Jesus.
• 1:12:47
  And this in certain ways of being a church. It' s not
• 1:12:53
  being done. It' s not being done. It' s too complicated.
• 1:12:56
  Now Houme Bush is carrying out a project to reach the Catalan people.
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  It' s not easy. It is not easy to reach the Catalans.
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  In fact, it is considered as an ethnic group not touched by the Gospel
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  Today, because there is no national church in Catalonia. We have more than
• 1:13:17
  seven hundred churches by seven hundred churches. It' s not bad seven hundred
• 1:13:21
  churches. And yet there are very few specifically focused on reaching Catalan in their
• 1:13:27
  own language. And then we' re trying to do that. We are
• 1:13:31
  giving ourselves time to investigate, giving ourselves time to be on the street,
• 1:13:36
  to be with people, what we call in their rhythms, missiological. Where
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  are the people so far, what are they doing, what is how we
• 1:13:45
  could tell them the Gospel in a way that was meaningful to them, because
• 1:13:49
  the Catalan, when the channel never thinks of Catalan church, has rejected what
• 1:13:54
  the church is. There is a level of attendance at Catholic religious cults of
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  what is very low, much lower than in the rest of Spain and Catalans
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  if they ever think of the church, think of the Catholic Church that knew
• 1:14:06
  that Church that has somehow failed them and that they do not find in it.
• 1:14:15
  So, how does a Catalan relate to the Gospel? This is our
• 1:14:17
  question. That' s what we' re trying to answer. We'
• 1:14:20
  re trying to get close to them to answer that question. What a thing
• 1:14:27
  to be in the investigation. I, at this point I thought I already
• 1:14:30
  had the answer. No. I, no, I haven' t written
• 1:14:32
  my book yet. In the case he investigates, we are giving ourselves time,
• 1:14:38
  in the case of Bethany, which is a multiculture church, and there
• 1:14:46
  are cases of Catalans that have gone yes clear, sure, well. It
• 1:14:53
  would be a frustration for me if there were no yes to us. There
• 1:14:57
  are Catalan families and Catalan people, another part of Spain and one fifty percent
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  of our mermeria is Latin American and they are already part of our ministerial team.
• 1:15:10
  And we thank God for having been a blessing for some precisely imported,
• 1:15:15
  from that of the Church, from the open door. Yes, yes,
• 1:15:19
  that you know it is a gift not with Esteban Ynora, a blessing and
• 1:15:25
  so many others that have come from other places and that people very gifted and
• 1:15:30
  like with many very good things and we form a strategic alliance to win the
• 1:15:35
  whole world. Also the cities are very cosmopolitan, for example Barcelona, Madrid
• 1:15:40
  are very cosmopolitan cities to Valencia, the great cities of Spain, very cosmopolitan.
• 1:15:45
  And it means there' s so much diversity that doesn' t sound
• 1:15:49
  strange. Not seeing people of other nationalities, even because the Church is like
• 1:15:54
  that. This is heterogeneous. No, and that too, we must have
• 1:15:58
  it very well presented now. The Catalan people are a unique, very interesting
• 1:16:00
  people. But when, in general, a Catalan usually embraces the Gospel,
• 1:16:04
  he tends to be a person faithful to the Gospel, which in other cultures
• 1:16:11
  is more variable. No, and that' s interesting too. Well,
• 1:16:18
  we' ve done a very different program. Today is not true, I
• 1:16:21
  would say unique, not for the good, but because we are doing the
• 1:16:29
  program of the door open from Barcelona, from the radio studio of the Church
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  Brittany. Radio friend, it' s not true. Onda step, sorry,
• 1:16:40
  sorry, if not the same, is a radio friend also yes,
• 1:16:43
  yes, yes? Yeah? Onda Paz, received by Julio Pérez and with
• 1:16:49
  the presence of Jaume. Let' s see if I' m looking at
• 1:16:54
  a window. Looks like the sun came up a little bit, sometimes we
• 1:16:58
  can do some shots. We' re talking about the sacred family, we
• 1:17:02
  ' re going to take a picture of it because at least at least we
• 1:17:09
  also have a lunch pending now, which in Catalonia is something interesting. Yeah,
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  of course, time' s up. I' m starting to be
• 1:17:18
  back. I' m going to start editing Israel' s travel programs more
• 1:17:24
  and I hope you also like the phone we gave the plus fifty- four,
• 1:17:29
  a nine, eleven, two, seven, seven, seven, zero.
• 1:17:35
  Julio' s getting up at least three in the morning so we can
• 1:17:38
  get one. Well, they' re not gonna kill each other. I
• 1:17:43
  ' m going to be sailing Sardes and tomorrow the door open with some proposal,
• 1:17:49
  but arrive to start putting Israel' s programs on. But, well,
• 1:17:55
  it' s not that easy for us. Thank you very much,
• 1:17:59
  Julio for allowing us to do the day program here on your program lasts an
• 1:18:03
  hour and a half. No. No, my program lasts three hours.
• 1:18:06
  Ah three hours and there are others participating. Yes, have two more hours
• 1:18:10
  of work. Yeah, yeah, but good with yours is it' s
• 1:18:13
  selectal. We' ve enjoyed it a lot. Yeah, thanks, Home
• 1:18:16
  A. You' re the door open from Barcelona. Well, the first
• 1:18:21
  time if you liked it very much, let me know I come more often
• 1:18:28
  than I have a good night. I think I' ll bless you this
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  morning on the life train Look. If I had been there among the lamortitude
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  that your death, I asked that I crucify you that I have had my
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  own, I would have nailed your hands to the cross, my jesus,
• 1:19:41
  if I had been there of Sandolo Mastrell, I too am the one who
• 1:19:53
  spat at you and your cosing and I see it rather than I was the
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  one who choir did not despire I did your forehead voue, sir, also
• 1:20:28
  these, if I had been there at the foot of that cross hearing you
• 1:20:40
  cry out to Father Sun Neda, I have to give it to my who
• 1:20:53
  would have also left you well so to die watching you suffer. If I
• 1:20:55
  had been there, I see Sandolo rather I also these, I was the
• 1:21:11
  one who spat at you and your co sanctified vending it more than I was
• 1:21:26
  the one who elbowd like this giving your forehead vol sir, but on the
• 1:21:38
  other hand, I also knew, I was the one who weighed you down
• 1:21:48
  and you bludgeoned, I see saddo rather, I was the one who just
• 1:21:57
  gave you everything, I went to the Quilacea, where also it is without
• 1:22:41
  John also invests one hundred eighty euros a month in suffering. Alberto invests 200
• 1:22:43
  euros in extortion. Carlos invests 150 euros in kidnappings. Every time you pay.
• 1:22:47
  You' re investing in mobs, extortion, harassment, helping them out,
• 1:22:53
  don' t invest in suffering against trafficking in women. The Government of
• 1:22:58
  Spain is aware of this. Never leave me alone in the bathtub or places
• 1:23:01
  with water. Don' t let them emit luis fingers and a hinchufi.
• 1:23:05
  Don' t leave me at the age of an open window. You tell
• 1:23:09
  my tosic substances to my way, you let me swallow the small pieces of
• 1:23:15
  toys. If you neglect, your ojer can be dangerous for your children.
• 1:23:18
  Don' t neglect to avoid accidents. For what you want most Ministry of
• 1:23:23
  Health and Consumer Affairs Government of Spain if you want to visit our website,
• 1:23:29
  the wwwwwww. The train of life, the train of life bus to,
• 1:23:38
  gentlemen and gentlemen, we are already in direct line, very direct with the
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  consultation of Dr Roccar, family doctor, our doctor, the doctor of the
• 1:24:02
  family, the train of life, this family of good men and women and
• 1:24:06
  where we receive very good advice for a healthy life and then to have a
• 1:24:15
  sense of anticipation regarding our organic and physical and mental health, also because we
• 1:24:21
  also address the topic of psychology in some cases with Dr Rocca. And well,
• 1:24:30
  then, but, but Dr Roca has an angle that few doctors get
• 1:24:36
  used to having also that blind self that we human beings have and that has
• 1:24:44
  to do with human spirituality, in this case absolutely, and with faith,
• 1:24:49
  an intangible value, a question, but that moves people' s lives.
• 1:24:59
  And the truth is, it changes our lives. Faith in God, not
• 1:25:03
  faith in faith, faith in the coalman, faith in the sun, in
• 1:25:08
  the moons and in the stars, not faith in the almighty God. Yes,
• 1:25:15
  yes, the God who created the heavens and the earth. Well,
• 1:25:17
  then, we talked about these things also about Hanta look week. We wanted
• 1:25:23
  to consult a doctor like the autonomous of this rock, which is in various
• 1:25:27
  painted on the other rock, because he is a professor of doctors. He
• 1:25:31
  is a practicing doctor with a long career, specialities in surgery and in various
• 1:25:40
  subjects, family doctor here on Avenida Cruz Roja de la Desarrañola in Barcelona,
• 1:25:46
  to Beña Corroja number one and has the clinic sun and there they have their
• 1:25:50
  consultation. No. But we have wanted to talk about an aspect that is
• 1:25:58
  not usual to talk about, but that may help us, because you are
• 1:26:00
  a man of faith. The other Rock is also licensed in theology. I
• 1:26:04
  also use the entire theological career, also among other careers. It already means
• 1:26:10
  that there is the day of what we talked about and we are going to
• 1:26:15
  ask him a forensic medical vision of the sufferings of Jesus, Nazareth, Christ,
• 1:26:24
  the sufferings that do not give us the day. Let' s see,
• 1:26:26
  let' s see, let' s talk to him, Doctor Roca,
• 1:26:35
  dear friend, good morning, dear July. Well, here we are
• 1:26:40
  is a Holy Week used for great evasion, but also for reflection. Not
• 1:26:48
  again it' s recurring. This reflection, the truth is that it is
• 1:26:55
  good, in a recurring way. As you well say, he was memory
• 1:27:00
  of important things and, of course, Holy Week is not only a few
• 1:27:08
  days of evasion, but he has a motive. It has a cause,
• 1:27:14
  which motivates us to celebrate this holiday in the Christian world. Most countries of
• 1:27:18
  Christian ideology, some even, in a more intense way than others, because
• 1:27:25
  it is also true that certain parts of Christendom emphasize more one area of the
• 1:27:31
  passion of Christ and others emphasize another. But the truth is that it is
• 1:27:39
  good to reflect and to meditate again on this fact so important for us.
• 1:27:46
  Thus, clearly and resoundingly, it is the theme because Jesus lived a short
• 1:27:55
  life. His life was frustrated in the flower of his youth, barely in
• 1:28:00
  the maturity of the maturity of the youth that at the age of thirty he
• 1:28:08
  became known in the public image. He was a carpenter, son of Joseph
• 1:28:14
  and Mary, and there he learned his father' s trade. I lived
• 1:28:18
  with him. He went to rabbinic school and did all the things the Jewish
• 1:28:24
  family did at the time. But at a certain point in his life,
• 1:28:29
  he makes himself known, goes out, leaves his house, his work and,
• 1:28:33
  well, travels all over Palestine and recruits, for those twelve heartless ones.
• 1:28:41
  Finally, I do not say heartless, not in the sense, I
• 1:28:45
  say it in the pejorative sense, that they are people who are declassified,
• 1:28:51
  who are anonymous, unknown, make them his disciples and speak of the message
• 1:29:00
  of the Kingdom of God. This is something resounding, something novel. Or
• 1:29:02
  the Pharisees, the scribes say the religious. But this is not and appears
• 1:29:09
  as the promised messiah, even though they had another idea of the messiah.
• 1:29:12
  Right. Yes, the truth is that I like to use an expression that
• 1:29:17
  needs to be explained I like it when I talk about someone of myself,
• 1:29:23
  anyone else who does not have a social relevance, we are not people that
• 1:29:29
  are especially important to society, but we are simple people, humble people.
• 1:29:36
  I like to talk about the fifth bird. No and say well, I
• 1:29:41
  sometimes feel like the fifth bird. You know the parable that we find in
• 1:29:46
  two of the Gospels, that the Lord Jesus does not sell the sparrows for
• 1:29:53
  a quarter and in another place and says five sparrows are not sold for two
• 1:29:58
  quarters. And there you realize there' s a little bird that has no
• 1:30:00
  value, which is the fifth bird. It' s not free, it
• 1:30:06
  ' s an offer and many people are fifth birds and Christ dedicated himself to
• 1:30:15
  picking up twelve fifth birds and look at the one that Lion came to choose
• 1:30:23
  these people, but it' s true that he was born, he was
• 1:30:27
  also in the bosom of a humble family. But there is a purpose,
• 1:30:30
  a purpose that is there, that of the times, hundreds of years ago,
• 1:30:38
  and when evil entered Eden. How God weaves a plan and in that
• 1:30:43
  plan is Christ. And what we are seeing in these Holy Week days,
• 1:30:47
  which is that last week of Jesus' earthly life, for it is very
• 1:30:55
  important, because it is not that a man died, because surely, if
• 1:31:00
  we look at the annals of history, we will find hundreds of thousands of
• 1:31:05
  men and women who were justified because of faith, because of the Gospel because
• 1:31:11
  of not wrangling their legs before the idols of the Roman Empire and were executed
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  and tortured and terrible things. And then, what' s different between this
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  man and the others, who are big anonymous the vast majority, and is
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  that that man was special, Dear Julio, that man was not an ordinary
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  man. He was a man like the others, but at the same time
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  he was also God incarnate. It is that hypostatic union incomprehensible to my human
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  mind, that someone can be perfectly man and perfectly God. But Christ and
• 1:31:53
  in Christ we see perfectly united these two natures. You know this was the
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  beginning of Christendom’ s history. It was a tremendous reason for discussion and
• 1:32:04
  it is until the year four hundred and fifty- one at the Council of
• 1:32:08
  Chalcedon, which comes to a conclusion. And well, there was still someone
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  I know about this good disagreement. But in Christ there are these two natures,
• 1:32:18
  perfect man and complete God. And because it was necessary, because look
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  there is something that people ignore and that many times, then, goes unnoticed.
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  We see God as a god of love and it is true, we
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  open the pages of the scripture and we will find, especially in the gospels,
• 1:32:43
  in John' s letters, that he will literally tell us that God
• 1:32:45
  is love, and that I believe everyone can understand. The problem is that
• 1:32:50
  when we see only that facet of God, we think that God has in
• 1:32:57
  the final moment and knew how to die, because neither people, many people
• 1:33:04
  are not incredulous, but neither are believers. It is in the position to
• 1:33:08
  see what will happen, for if there is a life after death, then
• 1:33:13
  God, as it is love, will be so good, so good that
• 1:33:16
  he will distribute, as at a chocolate party for all. And this is
• 1:33:20
  not so. And why not, because God has another feature of his personality,
• 1:33:25
  which is very transcendent and is a perfect sense of justice. It is
• 1:33:31
  not justice that we have here in this world, that many make barbarities and
• 1:33:38
  go away in roses that if now they crucify thieves, there is not so
• 1:33:43
  much thief that we have in our society. But yes, but, notice,
• 1:33:49
  God’ s righteousness had to be perfectly satisfied. And how is this.
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  There is one word we find in the scripture, which is the word
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  lamb. And when we take this word in the Bible it appears no less
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  than ninety- one of these ninety- three times, thirty- three times
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  there is the new testament of these thirty- three times twenty- seven times
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  in the book of Revelation. And there we see the first time this word
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  appears in the Bible. In the book of Genesis he refers to a sacrifice
• 1:34:20
  that God asks of a man and does not want sacrifice. Really, God,
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  what he wants is to prove to that man how far he' s
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  going to go, that man, how far he' s going to trust.
• 1:34:32
  And well, that man, as you may have guessed, is Abraham,
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  and God asks him to sacrifice his son. And already when he is
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  about to stab the terrible stabbing, the angel of the lord prevents him and
• 1:34:47
  God recognizes that this is his name that loves him and is even willing to
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  the greatest sacrifice, which is the giving of the life of his own son.
• 1:34:56
  And then that son is replaced by a lamb of what had been entangled
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  there by his asses in a bush, and God had provided this lamb to
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  replace him. And this lamb is so symbolic because if we study this word
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  throughout the scripture, it will know that this lamb symbolizes the person of Christ
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  in a real way. He was taken to the meek and humble slaughter without
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  opening his mouth like a lamb. In the Gospel of John, the Baptist
• 1:35:32
  says of Christ this is the lamb of God that takes away the sin of
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  the world. That is, that there is an end, in the death
• 1:35:40
  of Christ he did not die because if it was necessary for him to die,
• 1:35:45
  he was just for the unrighteous, the Holy, for sinners, that
• 1:35:51
  he had never done anything and that he could therefore say before God that his
• 1:35:59
  conduct was perfect. The only one who truly maintained this integrity before God is
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  the substitute, the only one who can substitute in this situation and he his
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  vicarious death, in his death, take the place that belongs to each one
• 1:36:21
  of us, that no one can live, that we are implying, because
• 1:36:28
  we are eager to sin every day, to violate, to violate the holy
• 1:36:32
  and godly laws of God, not only in the commandments, but in many
• 1:36:36
  other things, but also in the commandments. We see this every day.
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  Then Christ came into this world already for that purpose. And it' s
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  true. He could have died in an Argentine way, he could have died
• 1:36:50
  in a non- painful way. He could have died anonymously and possibly well
• 1:36:57
  assuredly, God’ s righteousness would also have been satisfied. But this needed
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  to be public and notorious. And just what we are remembering is this public
• 1:37:09
  and notorious aspect, because if it had been anonymous, we would not have
• 1:37:16
  had knowledge, we would have no conscience. And it was necessary for Christ
• 1:37:21
  to suffer and die. And now, you know, before, you were
• 1:37:26
  talking about the forensic aspect of Christ' s death and you know exactly,
• 1:37:30
  you know, unfortunately, because doctors have this sad function and both in your
• 1:37:36
  family and mine, we have had to exercise this role of certifying the death
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  of loved ones. And I played the sad part of having to certify the
• 1:37:45
  death of my own father, which was one of the great bitter drinks of
• 1:37:50
  my life. Yeah, and my dad' s, I remember you certified,
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  too. I remember being certified. I don' t remember if it
• 1:37:59
  was your father, you who also participated in his exact death, dear friend.
• 1:38:04
  In this situation, as a doctor, doctors teach us in medical schools,
• 1:38:10
  since the legal aspect, the differentiation. We can distinguish whether a death
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  has been natural most of the time or whether it has been a violent death,
• 1:38:23
  that is, whether there has been a homicide or a suicide or an
• 1:38:29
  accident or simply because life has come to an end, because of a disease,
• 1:38:33
  because of an advanced age, because of a deterioration, because of a
• 1:38:38
  heart attack, because of a cancer. And this is the role of the
• 1:38:42
  coroner. So, if we go to the death of Christ and exercise in
• 1:38:46
  this work of forensic doctors, what are we going to contemplate. I especially
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  like the whole Bible of precious encounter, but when we talk about the death
• 1:38:57
  of the Lord and the crucifixion, I especially like the way John' s
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  Gospel tells it and you will say good and why. The gospel of John
• 1:39:05
  is that the gospels are not equal, yes, but here is an added
• 1:39:10
  factor, and it is that John was a presidential witness. He' s
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  telling someone who sees him with his eyes and he' s going to leave
• 1:39:17
  him in the picture. Others learned it, heard it, wrote it,
• 1:39:25
  but this one, this one was there, was watching it. He was
• 1:39:29
  in the garlic, in the center of the Neollo, living the emotions,
• 1:39:33
  living the suffering. And that is why, for me, the Gospel of
• 1:39:39
  John is also a very special aspect, because it will give us extraordinary details
• 1:39:45
  regarding the death of Christ and it will also tell us he will be as
• 1:39:50
  a good Jew, it will be a relationship between every act that is happening,
• 1:39:56
  before his own eyes and as in his mind and in his Jewish culture.
• 1:40:02
  He knows that it happened, that it happens, because it is the
• 1:40:06
  fulfillment of a prophecy that we already find in the Old Testament, hundreds of
• 1:40:12
  years before hundreds of years before this happened, that that has extraordinary value and
• 1:40:16
  someone who saw it with his eyes explains it with hairs and signs and leaves
• 1:40:21
  it written so that we can not only read it but thousands of years later
• 1:40:28
  and we can get into the emotions of this man so special that he was
• 1:40:33
  John, as he lived passion, death and then later, resurrection, because
• 1:40:40
  look at yourself. There is an area of Christianity, especially our country is
• 1:40:45
  very deep within this area that is very much focused on the pain of Christ
• 1:40:51
  and is fine. We don' t say that' s not right,
• 1:40:55
  but that wasn' t the purpose, the suffering at any time. It
• 1:40:58
  was the purpose, the reality, was to satisfy God' s justice and
• 1:41:02
  it was only in death, not in suffering. In death and death it
• 1:41:08
  was a special death, because he died and there is no doubt. The
• 1:41:14
  same apostle John, in his gospel, is going to tell us that when
• 1:41:18
  they tried to break his legs so that he would hang up like that and
• 1:41:24
  drown and die, they did so with the two thieves that had sounded to
• 1:41:27
  his right on the left. But he had already passed away. But the
• 1:41:30
  soldier, who was a soldier who wanted to have the guarantee, the security,
• 1:41:36
  no doubt that Christ had died, passed over to his side with a
• 1:41:42
  dance and John tells us that water blood sprang up. Another forensic fact,
• 1:41:45
  because we know that when the heart already separates its last heartbeats, the patient
• 1:41:53
  is going to pounce, he' s going to have a stroke, he
• 1:41:56
  ' s going to have an erema, he' s going to have water
• 1:41:57
  in his lungs. And, of course, when drilling that coast, water
• 1:42:01
  came out apart from blood, symbolizing what was dead. There is no doubt
• 1:42:05
  that Christ was dead, that is, those theories. Jesus did not pretend
• 1:42:12
  that he was dying. He was clinically, in the end, dead,
• 1:42:16
  absolute, total and radically dead. There is no possibility with a perforation that
• 1:42:23
  pierces your chest, that reaches your heart, that also opens a gap,
• 1:42:27
  that causes you a pneumothorax in cases of life and that you die drowned.
• 1:42:31
  I mean, there' s no chance. Scientifically, today we could Centify
• 1:42:39
  the death of Christ exactly as they did in the past, because the data
• 1:42:46
  are clear and for me, as a doctor, I have no doubt that
• 1:42:51
  Christ died or was not there in a catalepsy, he was not there in
• 1:42:56
  unconsciousness, he was not under the effect of a drug like Romeo and Juliet,
• 1:43:00
  which then wakes up after a dream, a pretended death. Christ died
• 1:43:08
  and knows it is as true as this is that Christ rose again. And
• 1:43:12
  that is the beautiful part of the story that I always like to remember that
• 1:43:15
  good that we aim at death, but that really this death does not point
• 1:43:20
  to death, but points to life, that points to glory, that points
• 1:43:24
  to God' s purpose to rescue his work, that it is we,
• 1:43:29
  the men and women of this society, that Christ gave voluntarily up for each
• 1:43:34
  of us and that he died really and that he really rose affirming in what
• 1:43:41
  the Gospel says, look at one of the most emotional moments of my life
• 1:43:45
  and that I think that you too have had that pleasure. It is when
• 1:43:49
  we were in Christ' s tomb, seeing, the place the golgotha,
• 1:43:57
  the place of the skull where he was crucified. Seeing how John himself describes
• 1:44:00
  that Joseph of Arimathea secretly went to ask Pilate for the body of Christ,
• 1:44:08
  and Pilate granted it to him and took him along with another character who knew
• 1:44:15
  Christ well, who was a teacher of the law, called Nicodemus, who
• 1:44:17
  we find in chapter three of John' s Gospel. A description And how
• 1:44:24
  these men envelop the body of Christ, according to the betrayal of the Jews,
• 1:44:30
  wrap it with spices and sheets and linens, and how they place it
• 1:44:33
  in a garden that was near the place of the death of Lord Jesus and
• 1:44:41
  how they bury it in a new tomb and that tomb is empty. We
• 1:44:45
  have been inside and come to witness that there is simply a tomb, second
• 1:44:50
  usage of that time for the Jews. But that Christ rose again, that
• 1:44:56
  this prepared to him only three three net days, because death could not hold
• 1:45:02
  him back. And that' s the great glory for me, for Christo
• 1:45:08
  ' s person of what we' re celebrating this week. Jesus has risen
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  by the wayside. This is the final story. Jesus died painfully, but
• 1:45:29
  he is risen. Dear friend, it is a blessing to know this,
• 1:45:35
  because the death of Christ was not in vain. It' s not a
• 1:45:41
  death to adorn paintings and make statues. It is not a death to enhance
• 1:45:45
  the image of a mother who suffered without a doubt, but careful. That
• 1:45:50
  same mother three days later saw her son resurrect and, by the way,
• 1:45:55
  I have not seen any representation of that glorious moment and I would like to
• 1:46:01
  imagine you in the face of Mary at this moment, who she knew that
• 1:46:05
  her son was alive, that her son was risen. I am struck by
• 1:46:10
  the story of Joseph in the Old Testament how his father, for years he
• 1:46:15
  knew about his son, took him for dead. What would be the joy
• 1:46:18
  of Joseph when he found out that his son lived after many years, that
• 1:46:24
  he gave him the death of Mary, that his history and his pain have
• 1:46:30
  been so magnified, that it was certainly because those of us who, unfortunately,
• 1:46:32
  have lost a son. We know the nature of that terrible pain.
• 1:46:35
  But three days after this woman experienced the greatest joy that human beings can ever
• 1:46:42
  have, which is that her son came back to life and she saw him.
• 1:46:47
  I have no doubt, she touched him, she was with him,
• 1:46:50
  because so also the scriptures state. More than five hundred people were with him
• 1:46:57
  and saw him and, of course, his mother also saw him, because
• 1:47:00
  his mother was one of his most fervent followers. And I say this because
• 1:47:05
  I just don' t remember in which television station they' re going to
• 1:47:11
  be a movie, they' re going to open up to have a movie
• 1:47:13
  where Mary is magnified. But Mary did not die for humanity, neither Peter
• 1:47:15
  nor Paul. It was Christ and none of them was resurrected. It was
• 1:47:23
  Christ and he is the center and must be the object of an Arion State.
• 1:47:26
  Everything else, though it may seem holy, is not because we are
• 1:47:30
  putting the creature in the place of the creator and that is not right.
• 1:47:35
  That is not approved by God, dear sage Jesus is the center of this
• 1:47:41
  story, because Christ has risen to see a hallelujah. The truth is that
• 1:47:49
  it is exciting for believers not to feel it. It' s not intellectual,
• 1:47:57
  it' s very emotional and very deeply spiritual. To feel in us
• 1:48:02
  that if he lives, we too will live. It' s the truth.
• 1:48:08
  Julio, he has power, he had power. He himself says so
• 1:48:12
  with his own word that he takes no one' s life, but he
• 1:48:15
  gives it willingly. I remember when we were in Gethemani and I could see
• 1:48:24
  the place where the Lord had been praying and what counts, what the Gospel
• 1:48:28
  tells us, I believe that there, at that time of struggle, praying
• 1:48:32
  to the Father and asking him to come and see this bitter cup. Yes,
• 1:48:36
  but really he assumes and at that moment when he assumes that role,
• 1:48:42
  for me, there is the triumph of Christ. Then there are all sufferings.
• 1:48:45
  There is the cross, there is the resurrection, but that moment ant
• 1:48:50
  semaní I believe is the moment when he doubled his will before that of the
• 1:48:54
  Father, who Christ already conquered, at that moment that he had overcome.
• 1:49:00
  So it is, friend, how many things we could tell true after making
• 1:49:05
  this remembrance that you have made of the figure of Jesus and of his pain,
• 1:49:11
  of his suffering, but the culmination and where it is made, the
• 1:49:17
  fact really nuclear in his death. His death has significance for humanity. His
• 1:49:23
  death has significance in the heavens, that is, in the earth and in
• 1:49:27
  the heavens. Look at the book of Revelation, which is a wonderful book.
• 1:49:32
  There they are seeking who is worthy to open the gels of that scroll,
• 1:49:38
  which is the scroll of life, where are written all men, of
• 1:49:41
  all persons, of all ages, of all generations redeemed by the blood of
• 1:49:45
  the lamb. And there, John, the evangelist, despairs because they did
• 1:49:51
  not find anyone until they arrived and the lamb arrived. And the lamb is
• 1:49:59
  a sign of saving that scroll, of breaking those seals, of revealing what
• 1:50:04
  is hidden and that is only in the possession of the knowledge of God and
• 1:50:11
  of course, dear friend, it gives us a joy to Christians, because
• 1:50:15
  it gives us assurance that our names are also written in that Book of Life
• 1:50:20
  and that we will be part of that great multitude there in its glory on
• 1:50:27
  a day not too far away, because this is precipitating everything in a very,
• 1:50:31
  very fast way. World events point to a huge conflict that is coming
• 1:50:39
  upon us mankind not for long and we have that peace, that peace of
• 1:50:44
  mind that we live or that we die from Lord We are and with him
• 1:50:49
  we are going to be like this, he is dear modest. Thank you,
• 1:50:55
  Thank you for this open reflection, sound voice and remember to be a
• 1:51:02
  deep reflection of our listeners. Dear friend, I send you a very affectionate
• 1:51:08
  hug, a great hug dear friend, and the Lord has risen read a
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  very happy Holy Week with eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of the
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  faith. So, happy Easter Viva, Happy pas Ja viva sibling it o
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  o o o o o o o o o s s. Montre how to
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  enter surprising of satin or give you o o o o or anta to the
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  da a o s o s s s s s. S. The train
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  of lives that mountains so malts that you don' t believe scale or horizontal
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  that you don' t believe give are in breaking down rise from corfaring in
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  God is dwelling and blessing. If you can, anything is possible, if
• 1:56:21
  you can, confess that it is so, even if you can' t
• 1:56:30
  gar, don' t undress doubt you just some faith. If you can
• 1:56:35
  do it, no matter what fear God wills. It is to be made
• 1:56:44
  of every blessing not to understand if you can believe perhaps alone that we know
• 1:57:10
  that you can only bring out love so that you can cross megdisa if you
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  are a triumphant give him commandeer in God this wave and drink if you can
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  write everything is possible. If Juanas quer confesses that it is so, not
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  to bend, not to undress all the deafness of fa if you can write
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  the matter the miracle God tends according to his hard third to make of clear
• 1:58:09
  of victory, not to fear no, if you can see, you can
• 1:58:33
  be. Thanks, thanks to houses, case waves or four of God deformed
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  the sodoma. If you move my project, my grandson, my name is
• 1:59:24
  Supergrandmother, it' s a pillar and shell and one of them has depression,
• 1:59:29
  but their dreams, like any other, have no limits, don'
• 1:59:31
  t put them on us. Integration is always the best response for the social
• 1:59:35
  inclusion of people with mental health problems, Ministry of Health, social services of
• 1:59:40
  equality, Government of Spain so that gender violence never leaves this sign again.
• 1:59:45
  Society has this other zero sixteen tell me calmly. We' re gonna help
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  you at the first sign of mistreatment. Call phone zero sixteen can mean another
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  life. A Government of Spain Carolina left the Louis group and left the group.
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  How did they leave the group? Chatting behind the wheel produces an incessant
• 2:00:10
  drip of victims. Thirty- eight percent of fatal accidents are from a distraction
• 2:00:14
  behind the wheel. Ninety- nine percent of your attention isn' t enough.
• 2:00:18
  Directorate- General for Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain.
• 2:00:29
  The train of life, an exciting journey along the routes of the heart,
• 2:00:35
  an unforgettable trip at the rhythm of trem or. Well, ladies and
• 2:01:15
  gentlemen, we' re in the colors of life. Life has attractive colors,
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  contrasts of all types, bright colors, soft colors, gray colors and
• 2:01:27
  dark colors, sometimes or dark light. But it also has bright and flowery
• 2:01:34
  and luminous colors and, above all, because, as you know, colors
• 2:01:41
  that paint our lives in a pleasant and hopeful way. And in the tone
• 2:01:45
  of Judith Casso' s voice, the psychotherapist who is weekly with us,
• 2:01:50
  since one can guess colors of hope and optimism, yes, yes. Is
• 2:01:58
  that her? Well, we' ve got her on the direct line.
• 2:02:00
  In good morning, Judith, good morning, July, what perhaps you see
• 2:02:03
  the voice is the bell of the soul. Uh, they say yes.
• 2:02:08
  No. Also, something curious, because the voice contains in itself a melody
• 2:02:11
  that is unique and unrepeatable in each person. Yeah, it' s true
• 2:02:16
  that way, so it' s our cue. The voice is also understood.
• 2:02:19
  It could be pitching. The voice can be tricked, it can be
• 2:02:25
  imposted, it can be good, it can be used in many ways,
• 2:02:29
  but there' s something in the voice, there' s a gorge,
• 2:02:32
  a bell. It is a timbre the voice that yes, which is the
• 2:02:38
  timbre of the soul, which shows, shows many things about people. Speak,
• 2:02:43
  Speak a lot about people, well, beyond the quality of having a
• 2:02:49
  voice, very well sounded depending on what we understand by good voice. There
• 2:02:55
  are no cultures, for example, if we go to Ethiopia or go to
• 2:03:00
  some cultures where singing and shouting is one of the things that sings a sense
• 2:03:03
  of warriors or a feeling of fertility or indicates a sense of joy. They
• 2:03:10
  are very different from the pymers, for example, from a soprano in Italy
• 2:03:14
  or from a flamenco woman here in Spain, and they are all very different
• 2:03:17
  voice sounds that are sometimes even antagonistic, but, instead, it has its
• 2:03:21
  richness in its surroundings, it does not make sense. That' s right,
• 2:03:26
  I' m sure you do. Well, Judith, a subject concerning
• 2:03:30
  spirituality and certain religious epochs, such as Christmas or Holy Week, also makes
• 2:03:38
  us think of some issues a little more transcendent, but which also have to
• 2:03:44
  do with humans, with mortals, truth and as much as is the immaterial
• 2:03:47
  part of the human being, that spiritual part that also forms the substrate of
• 2:03:53
  the human being, also in its pure essence. And so much and so,
• 2:03:58
  spirituality in psychos forms the common point that we have in the different ways
• 2:04:04
  in which a human being does not manifest, eh mind, almatically, mentally,
• 2:04:09
  the spiritual part is the one that unites all those things. And this
• 2:04:14
  is a very little- explained question. Now I have been realizing that some
• 2:04:18
  psychologists begin to comment on this, not necessarily psycho believers, but that they
• 2:04:28
  have realized that this question factor, the soul factor, the spirit factor the
• 2:04:33
  factor, as some say platonic, because it has a lot to consider,
• 2:04:42
  because it has a very important part of human development. But the importance of
• 2:04:50
  the transmission of values, values, We speak of concrete spiritual values towards our
• 2:04:58
  children, our children or our adolescents, because there is an orphanhood of spiritual
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  values. We speak of human values, of human strengths, We speak of
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  values that have a lot to do with spiritual values and, in some cases,
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  truth and so much in reality, every human being has within him a
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  kind of emptiness or gap of question that always leads him to try to achieve
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  through specific behaviors, in some cases ritual, in some cases, an attitude,
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  a behavior that leads us to behave in a way Precisely because of that
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  void spiritual question that has to do with that all cultures and I am pure
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  anthropology and sociology, so the experts will know what we are talking about.
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  Every anthropology and every sociology marks a common point in each of the cultures,
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  and it is this absolute necessity to find or perceive that it exists or to
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  try to believe that there is something beyond us, something greater than ourselves,
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  in which we can relate spiritually, that is, in an intangible way,
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  physically on many occasions and in a way that cannot be perceived by our senses,
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  at least in a more evident way, as we understand Creality. Not
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  how we understand colors or how we perceive a person or how we perceive a
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  box or an object. But they do exist in all cultures believe in what
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  they believe. All cultures need and all people need to believe in something more.
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  The atheists don' t believe in anything, they lie, they just
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  believe in something. They have that absence of that, they think there'
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  s beyond. Therefore, after all, the ates exist because there are Christians.
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  If it didn' t exist, there are people who believe in things,
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  there won' t be people who try to prove that that' s
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  not possible or that you can' t believe that. But, for example,
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  spiritual values. It is that in which we believe, it is superior
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  to us and there is already mark our destiny and our purpose. There are
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  people who believe in science as an entity that may control all things. There
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  are people who believe in Mother Nature as an entity also with one' s
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  own life, which is a spiritual entity. In the end, and we,
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  in this case, we specifically want you as I, Julius, in
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  that there is a god and that God has created who we are and the
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  purpose of our lives and it is five that guide our lives with whom we
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  have a relationship. So all those cultures, all people, have that need.
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  Therefore, our children, who are born in the 21st century, have
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  the need and the question must be covered and an education on that difficulty must
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  be transmitted. Or it is not difficult for us, but it is a
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  spiritual hole within them that then we, as parents or society or the media,
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  are in charge of filling and filling up. There are people who believe
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  in love as energy, there are people who believe in stars as energy that
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  guides our lives. All this indicates that, within every human being, there
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  is a need for values that have to do with something spiritual, that is,
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  something greater than me, that comes out above me, that also has
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  to do with me and that also guides me, directs me and tells me
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  what my destiny is. Therefore, in all cultures there is burial and letting
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  people go to take them to another place, although we understand that we rationalize
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  and make them go to different places according to our beliefs. Yes, but
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  then why is it important, Judith, to communicate spiritual values to our children?
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  For good there will be some good spin. For me it is not
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  important good, if it is indispensable, because if we do not do it
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  as parents, others will. Of course here, in the doctrine of nutrition,
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  in the media, in doctrine, in school, in doctrine, in
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  government. Well, we' ve lived with a government. Now we will
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  see this one that has given us education for citizenship, He has wanted to
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  teach us in mini different ways. Of course, that' s what we
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  have to take into account. In reality, values are a rationalization or a
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  way of explaining something profound that guides our lives from within. That' s
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  the spiritual thing. To whom I give those values, whose values they are,
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  to whom I transmit them. But it is hypernecessary, because, as
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  I told you, all people are born with that spiritual void and with that
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  question that must be covered. And if our parents don' t cover it
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  for us, who we trust at first, they' ll cover for us,
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  our friends, they' ll cover for us by the media, they
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  won' t cover for us. The society in which we live, the
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  culture in which we live. But the reality is that all people manage to
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  fill that void, sometimes correctly, sometimes incorrectly and sometimes insatiated people. And
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  there are many and a great majority sometimes where there is no such satiety,
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  of that spiritual question, which has to do with something transcendent, something that
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  goes beyond. Moreover, one of the things that defines philosophy in itself as
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  being human, is that they believe in the transcendent in which they go beyond
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  us, in what goes beyond, what we see or touch or read beyond
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  our senses. Therefore, our children are born with that emptiness, with that
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  need, and we, as parents, must fill them if we do not
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  want to leave in the hands of others something so important that it will mark
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  their life as that spiritual emptiness. Not knowing that spiritual area and not working
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  it and not developing it and not exposing it, not requiring the media do,
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  for example, tell me how to explain it to me give me an
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  example. If we have Lady Gaga, Mrs Le Lady Gaga, she exposes
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  a philosophy that has to do with spiritual philosophy, it has to do with
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  certain things that energy, environment and self within me will come to you to
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  do something is a transcendent. That has to do with transcendent value, which
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  has to do with spiritual value. Then the Gallat League transmits it and it
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  does. Apology of it, but we also have a multitude of television channels
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  that talk about esotericism and are also talking about the spiritual world and are also
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  indoctrinating it and adopting us. But it is that atheism and marches, for
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  example, I know that I was preparing a tea march, are also adopting
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  the children about the absence of spirituality. Therefore, we all live under the
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  influence that someone has taught us spiritually, and my question is worth agreeing.
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  We trust the whole world, we trust society, we trust the media or
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  we prefer to trust ourselves As parents, we are the only ones if we
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  want to guide our children, not simply get them manipulated to sell more products
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  or get manipulated so that my music is heard more and that it is the
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  number one, or get them manipulated to do what I want them to do.
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  Yes, yes, yes, that is the true importance of working the
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  spiritual world of children and adolescents, of young people and adults, of all,
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  in reality, but of children, especially because they are more tender and,
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  as we have always said, a child' s brain is like cement.
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  This Daniel always makes that metaphor of a cement that is unforged, that
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  he is speaking when we mark that cement, we mark it making very little
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  strength. That' s why they' re so influential. We do very
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  little strength and we mark right away. But when the cement gets forged,
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  it gets hardened, that mark remains for life, so from the zero,
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  as we always say, to the five years old, that child is marked
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  by the information we receive, by the information we give him and that his
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  environment gives him that his school reads to his children among equals, they give
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  him that the cartoons read, etcetera, etcetera. That it is a moment
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  when we, above all, must work that interior area and in adolescence also
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  because, because even if the cement is forged, many people arrive with beak
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  and shovel and sometimes with a percutor trying to burst that which we have established
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  or making holes in places where we have not established anything and sometimes distorting and
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  harming the person himself for a good of the person who transmits them. Judith,
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  but also how can we explain to our listeners what is a spiritual value
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  in its pure essence? Well, a spiritual value in its pure essence is
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  a value that is governed by someone to whom we bestow, someone superior.
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  We' re making this clear, we' re trying to define it so
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  that everyone understands it. If we mark it within Christianity, that is what
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  we have understood. After studying many things and asking yourself many questions, we
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  have realized that he is the only one who answers in the end God himself
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  is with the only one who, by having a direct relationship, I mean.
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  Spiritual values are values that establish someone who loves us above himself and that
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  what he does is try to get the best out of us, take care
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  of ourselves to the fullest, even of ourselves, and guide and lead our
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  lives always to the step. To be better and to get the best out
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  of ourselves is like trying to get the best potential out of yourself so that
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  it shines to the fullest. What I want to gain potential from, spiritual
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  values are those values that what they do in a person is to calm down
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  and respond to that inner anxiety that tells us there is something. I know
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  that something can lead me to mark my life, take it to a better
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  place than I' m leading to get the best out of myself. And
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  I don' t know how to do it myself. That' s spiritual
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  values. And you say man, then a spiritual value is love, yes
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  of course it is a spiritual value. Of course, to another spiritual value
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  is the need to sacrifice for others or to work and help others to get
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  the best out of themselves. Yes, of course, that is also a
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  spiritual value. What happens is that we read that we have preferred to take
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  out the spiritual word because we are clearly uncomfortable with all atheists who have to
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  work with values and realize that people need values to be able to survive and
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  to be better people and to be able to make balanced societies and we are
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  macarras or completely destructive. For this we need values. But yes, I
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  ' m already a theorist and I don' t believe in anything transcendent or
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  anything spiritual. I have to take that name out of courage. No,
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  but we' re already talking about the same thing. They are values,
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  all spiritual values, which are values that are intangible, that cannot be touched,
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  that cannot be seen, but we know that they mark, improve and
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  guide our lives. Yes, so is values like faith, values like hope,
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  like love, which are seemingly intangible values, but practicable and then with
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  more than obvious results. But then you spoke of the love of neighbor that
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  today, because in other areas we talk about solidarity, of course, of
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  course, we change the name, but we are talking about exactly the same
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  thing. But Jesus spoke like no one in his day, not only will
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  you love your neighbor as yourself, but you will love your enemies. So
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  this is already revolutionary, not clear, so it says good. And that
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  capacity, as it is acquired, there is also a transmission of values.
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  It is clear that these values have come from a source. That source we
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  understand is a divine source that inspires them, but there is also a communicator
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  who are, in this case, parents or teachers, of course, but
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  what spiritual values can bring to our teenagers. First things first, security.
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  As we have said and we have defined well now. Value is a spiritual
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  value in the sense that it is already above one' s own human being
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  and the self- centeredness or hedonism of one' s own individual. Courage
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  goes above that And it is a spiritual value that serves humanity itself as people,
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  it is to get the best out of ourselves. That is a spiritual
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  value. Then, in the face of this spiritual value, we must bear
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  in mind that we must be able to transmit it, we must be able
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  to teach it. And it' s indistinct you can teach it. This
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  is the way culture and current education convey a lot of skepticism and also in
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  another order of things, when speaking of spirituality, it is spoken more of
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  spiritualism, which seems a semantic rather than of spirituality. They convey either skepticism
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  or a kind of religious syncretism. We put in the same sack all the
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  values of all religions, of all confessions, of Buddhism, of right now,
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  of Christianity, of Islamism. There is that new version of Chrisland,
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  that version of syncretism between Christianity and Islamism. The Crisland is called good values
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  and many of them contradict each other. If we realize that spiritual value is
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  a value that has to be marked or so we believe that in the end,
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  it is not so much about different religions that are ways of explaining that
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  deity or in some cases and, for example, in the New Age or
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  in cultures that have to do with spirituality as an energy that in an entity
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  in something higher, they do not know how to define very well what it
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  is but, either in this type of religion, or whether it is a
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  religion structured or more marked by a series of history that is above it,
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  such as the Christian religion or the Buddhist religion, the Islamic religion that you
• 2:18:33
  told me or this new version. They all have something in common. It
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  is that they are trying to explain from the human mind, something spiritual,
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  something that is above them and they are trying to explain it and in front
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  of the interpretation of each of the minds, there is an interpretation. I
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  believe this is this or I believe this energy is called energy because it cannot
• 2:18:54
  be defined as a body. To others it is not a body, because
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  it was a person who left a God, who became a man. It
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  ' s spoken to him by Christianity. Others speak of the air, for
• 2:19:05
  they speak of a prophet, not of God on earth, but of a
• 2:19:07
  prophet in this case Muhammad, etcetera, etcetera. And Buddhism speaks of the
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  spirit giving energy. It' s in everything and they wrap us all up.
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  It is even within us and within nature. Well, those are ways
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  to explain things that happen to us when we relate to that entity that we
• 2:19:24
  call God, that others want to call the or that others want to call
• 2:19:28
  energy. But something is curious, which is that all people who seek honestly
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  from the heart seek honestly what is beyond myself as a human being, which
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  is above the scale of the human being. When you seek with integrity of
• 2:19:43
  this, that person really manifests that God which we call to us divertia,
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  manifests, therefore, religion or attempt to follow religion, by trying to find
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  that God does not work at all, because each of the religions is established
• 2:19:58
  by the mind of a man. Why we trust the Christian religion on the
• 2:20:01
  basis of the Bible, because if we understand that the Bible is sacred in
• 2:20:05
  the sense that absolute truths are established there, because they are written by hundreds
• 2:20:09
  of people, it is impossible for all to interpret a reality in the same
• 2:20:15
  way. But, on the other hand, everything has coherence, everything makes
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  sense, and everything always has the same point in common that has to do
• 2:20:22
  with God and with love for men. There are no contradictions. That is
• 2:20:24
  why we go down in the Bible as the only source that correctly interprets what
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  that entity, that energy, or that God that is this relates to us
• 2:20:33
  means. So, of course, religion does try to interpret and fit something
• 2:20:37
  very big into a very small box. That' s what religion does.
• 2:20:41
  That is why we must jump a little bit from that closed concept and try
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  to relate directly to that God who does seek us, who does love us,
• 2:20:50
  who exi is trying to relate to us and who does want the best
• 2:20:54
  for us. Yes, so it is then the so- called Christian civilization
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  that has been questioned. But good at the end you can' t or
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  can' t, let' s say, skip, you can' t
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  erase it in any way, because it' s embedded in history, in
• 2:21:15
  the heart of humanity, Christian civilization and its values are in crisis. As
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  these new prophets of camper secularism cackle or the world today is sick of materialism,
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  for I believe that in reality Christian values have never been in crisis they
• 2:21:33
  will never be. The problem is what we label with the word Christian courage.
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  Of course, if by Christian courage we speak of the inquisition, we
• 2:21:41
  have a real problem, because this has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with
• 2:21:45
  a Christian value. If we talk about slavery or subjection to others because they
• 2:21:48
  are inferior, because I have a spiritual gift that has come to me divine,
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  as, for example, the dictatorship with Franco, we are wrong.
• 2:21:54
  That is not a Christian value, but what happens is that we allow people
• 2:21:58
  who do not know about Christian values to give that name to all things and
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  there we are wrong. In reality, Christian values have never been in crisis.
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  In fact, the only societies and civilizations that have remained alive and that
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  are up to the present day, are those that, within their own form
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  of culture, there are Christian values, There are values that have to do
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  with love of the other, collectivism, knowing how to help the one I
• 2:22:24
  have next to, seeing their need with families and with places where the family
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  is the most important nucleus, where family members prefer others to more than themselves,
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  where love says I love you enough to eat sometimes in my own opinion,
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  trying to help you understand that I am by your side and that I
• 2:22:41
  will continue to be by your side. All that is bad Christians and all
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  those values, yes, indeed, are written in the Bible and all these
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  values are the only ones that are maintained to this day. Not only two
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  thousand years ago, but since the existence of the Foundation. We can find
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  pedramines on Moses and see we continue to see these values. Moreover, we
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  can see many civilizations that have become extinct when they have lost those values,
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  Aztec civilization, Mayans, etcetera, etcetera. We have realized that they seem
• 2:23:13
  to be extinguished when certain rituals seek the dominion of one and the evil of
• 2:23:18
  others. Something curious about the word or the Bible. What we understand as
• 2:23:22
  the word of God is that precisely it always seeks to do good to another
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  and is always brings a positive response from the other. Therefore, this always
• 2:23:30
  keeps a society alive. That is what causes, for example, Israel as
• 2:23:33
  a nation, to have existed and still exist those values of cohesion, which
• 2:23:41
  have subsequently been distorted, changed and lost. It' s something else.
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  That is why it is also in decline. So what we see now as
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  Christian values that are in decline or in crisis. Those who dare to say
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  that are wrongly defining what is a Christian value. Sometimes the problem does not
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  have the poor Christians who do not know what a Christian value really is and
• 2:24:00
  we think that good is a hierarchy in which one commands and the others that
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  of course I would interpret it as a pseudo Christianity. Who a Christian who
• 2:24:07
  does not know what Christian values are or is not a true Christian is a
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  nominal Christian by name oh no, or is a pseudo grey curious prose is
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  that, for example, Buddhism believes that there is part of the identity of
• 2:24:20
  God, of that spiritual part of us within us. Well, this is
• 2:24:26
  already written. We do not speak of the spirit of God in our lives,
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  which comes to seal us and to live with us to guide us from
• 2:24:35
  within no longer to the side, for whether we are lost, or no
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  longer from above, but from within ourselves. Therefore, it is an incorrect
• 2:24:41
  way of explaining a reality, a reality that we do know and that is
• 2:24:46
  established and that makes sense and that nothing contradicts one another. But if we
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  realize, if we start looking for all religions, the only things of those
• 2:24:54
  religions that are good, that convey a value of caring for each other,
• 2:24:58
  of loving each other and of growing the best in us. If we started
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  to draw from all religions and all the things that believe these points, we
• 2:25:07
  would realize that they are all in the word of God and that they all
• 2:25:11
  have to do with one God. Yeah, it' s important to keep
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  that in mind, because, after all, I don' t care whether
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  someone puts a name on it or the other, because that' s a
• 2:25:20
  problem with the person who puts the name on it anyway. But when I
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  talk, for example, to a tea person and we talk about solidarity and
• 2:25:24
  helping the third world and presenting ourselves in front of the actions that are going
• 2:25:28
  into real famine and that there are NGOs and entire centers and groups that go
• 2:25:33
  there to try to help, that is a Christian value. They like it,
• 2:25:35
  they don' t like it. Let' s paint it the color
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  we want is warmth that is to see with solidarity. Well love the next,
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  detect your need and give cover to that need. Therefore, it is
• 2:25:46
  using in Christian vallo, but now that we do not like to put it
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  the Christian name of tas good is not that it does not necessarily, but
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  use implicitly, although it is not explicitly looked. The Universal Charter of Human
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  Rights is inspired, but strongly. In fact, it was moved and promoted
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  by Christian values and by deeply Christian people. The Charter at a level of
• 2:26:09
  human rights and good, the great institutions of humanity, such as the Red
• 2:26:15
  Cross and so many others that are promoted, the University and countless things,
• 2:26:22
  the emancipation of women, that is to say, by values that Christianity brought
• 2:26:26
  to society and that in some way permeated and blended into human society. Democracy
• 2:26:33
  is permeated. It is by Christian values, no doubt, which is the
• 2:26:43
  least evil of systems you understand. But well, after it begins to fail,
• 2:26:48
  democracy begins to fan out when one individual wants to be superior to another,
• 2:26:50
  therefore, when it goes against what we understand by a Christian value.
• 2:26:54
  So, well, what I have to take into account in these things,
• 2:26:56
  not when something fails and because it fails, which is what fails of this
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  actually, Julio and I realize that Christian values are permeated in every theology that
• 2:27:03
  says taking care of that speaks of caring for nature because it is a good
• 2:27:09
  for all. He talks about a good for everyone and taking care of something
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  that' s beyond me. This is already written. This was already written.
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  It is a Christian value in itself that later, in many generations,
• 2:27:22
  there have been Christians who have not been able to carry out or correctly express
• 2:27:26
  or explain those values and exercise them correctly. That does not mean that those
• 2:27:30
  values are not transcendent, not indispensable, not necessary for human development and not
• 2:27:33
  good. The problem is how we interpret it. I can have a very
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  good father and give an incorrect picture of that father I have. That'
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  s a reality. Therefore, it is so important that our children can be
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  taught in that area, taught in those values and taught how to develop them.
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  What happens is that a child. When we tell him that a value
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  is good, but we don' t tell him who put it, or
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  why he put it, we don' t give him reasons why. That
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  ' s when we set a standard, we gave it because it does make
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  sense to them. So the most incredible thing is that there are people who
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  twist those values, although they defend them. And that' s why they
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  play. For example, one of the things that makes the concept count this
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  or indoctrination or religion is Lady Gaga' s is because she' s the
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  first thing you say you love yourself, learn more yourself and be yourself.
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  Okay. This has not been incited by this, ma' am, nor
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  invented by the 21st century. I' ve invented it by God himself.
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  When he speaks of loving the Projimo as oneself, he is indicating us and
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  you must learn to love others and also accept yourself in what I have done
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  in You within you. So, this lady, what she does is use
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  a value that she really knows is effective, that she knows it' s
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  good, that she knows it' s necessary and distorts it or interprets it
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  in her own way so that she achieves her goals or the objectives that she
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  wants to sell more albums, be famous, have money, etcetera, etcetera.
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  Then the distortions already do what you want with that value is successful,
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  because the value that already expresses, although then distorts it, corrupts it and
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  destroys it in itself, has the first hook, because it is a real
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  value. Yes, that' s it and definitely, Youdith, how we
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  can educate our children about spiritual values, consistent and uncomplicated of any kind because
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  I realize that many people defend values that are indefensible, such as greed,
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  for example, the absolute ambition that involves hurting others, such as the series
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  to the typical New York series, where the one who has crushed others wins,
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  where the one who is unfaithful to others wins, for example. Let
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  ' s talk about anatomy, about Grey, let' s talk about even
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  Central Hospital here in Spain, let' s talk about five brothers, let
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  ' s talk about many series that they expose and that what they sell is
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  a value that goes against society itself or that goes against licking each other and
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  taking care of each other as a nation or as a group of people.
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  Instead, they do it with all kinds of freedom and all kinds of without
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  any kind of complexes, just like floats or on Gay Pride Day is also
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  done without any kind of problem and as a simple opinion that we must also
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  learn to respect it, no longer speak ill of it. Well, it
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  ' s precisely with that lack of conflict and that lack of complexity that we
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  should be able to explain to our children something that we believe also works.
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  There' s always the problem itself, and that' s something that,
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  as parents, challenges us. When we explain something to our children, we
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  must show them that it works. And if, at some point in our
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  life, something we want that' s good doesn' t work, we
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  have to question why it is because we haven' t understood correctly if it
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  ' s because there' s something else that' s screwing up, it
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  ' s killing that. For example, if I believe that loving one'
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  s neighbor is a good thing, but I think that when I' m
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  loving one' s neighbor, he' s taking advantage of me. Here
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  appears the first problem, with one value, which is the value of loving
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  the other. The problem comes from a conflict, a sense of priority infons
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  or a lack of limits. Therefore, it does not work, not because
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  that value does not work, but because there is something else that is blocking
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  it not, psychology it and inner work in the person. But we must
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  do it completely without complexity. Just like this, these characters that now seem
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  to be so famous or seem to be followed by millions of people and millions
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  of children and teenagers, as I saw, for example, the concert and
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  the crowd of people the other day. I' m talking about dy Gaga,
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  because it' s the most current thing, but we could also talk
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  about a multitude of actors and actresses and characters who now come out into the
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  media, who are followed by real masses and who really don' t have
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  any problem with a direct indoctrination and, moreover, very aggressive that says machaca
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  to others, that says success you have to get it. You at any
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  cost, no matter what you lose along the way, you start on the
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  way by being like you are a problem of that person and not a problem
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  of yours that says you don' t solvent your conflicts. You' ve
• 2:31:58
  got them and you' ve got them and you' ve got them and
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  you' ve got all this. You have adopted people and our children live
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  them every day. Please teach is what are the inner spiritual values that work
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  and that have been demonstrated by all societies and by all cultures that function those
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  values that are really the ones that give the person a goal of life.
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  Let' s make them uncomplicated, because there are other people who expose values
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  that are destructive and do it without any kind of complex. Let us not
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  also be frightened in the end, that is, what you believe, what
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  you believe, that you are values that govern your life and that make you
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  a better person every day. They are the values that should be able to
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  explain to your child, because, after all, the only one responsible for
• 2:32:41
  a life of a child is us as parents. So is it that others
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  can exercise control or control or, manipulation or influence at the end of the
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  only ones who are called upon to be responsible are the parents. So let
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  ' s play that role correctly, without complexity and without fear, because in
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  the end we are the only ones responsible. In the end, when this
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  child grows up and becomes a good person, a person who seeks the best,
• 2:33:05
  who seeks to improve and who seeks to love others, or a person
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  who is something selfish central who tries to harm others because, by a complex
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  of inferiority, ultimately responsible. It' s also us as parents, not
• 2:33:18
  society. I don' t know any judge who puts a penalty on parents
• 2:33:24
  because your teenager has done something that' s wrong and says it' s
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  the school' s fault or it' s the media' s fault.
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  No. In the end, well, but in the end the problem is
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  you didn' t speak it, you didn' t educate it properly.
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  No, then since we' re responsible. Hey let' s do it
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  according to what works for us in our own life and not what works for
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  us. I don' t know who' s coming out, I don
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  ' t know what TV or I don' t know what series. So
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  it is good, gentlemen, the importance of the transmission of spiritual values to
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  our children or our young people, and the transmission because we all convey what
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  we are and what we believe instinctively or explicitly not. But we must also
• 2:34:07
  be aware that these spiritual values can give them character, personality, destiny security
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  in life, because spiritual values, understanding essentially the Christian values from which true
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  spirituality is born, are certain Judith values. Well, then, to remind
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  our listeners to a subject like today, which is a topic regarding the atmosphere
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  of these days of spirituality, for we have also wanted to take a flight
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  an unusual factor in a chat, but also interesting, very well dear Judith,
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  because you have a very good time these days, yes, a good
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  week and help us meditate on all things and help us to remember what it
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  is that guides our life. So, one of the recommendations is to meditate
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  on this, go for a walk, go out to see the mountain,
• 2:35:01
  go out to see the sea that always relaxes us. It helps us to
• 2:35:05
  disconnect from the hustle, bustle and overstimulation and helps us meditate on what is
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  guiding my life and then ask us a second question. I like this one
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  that guides my life. I think it' s the good thing. He
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  ' s getting the best out of me, this thing that' s guiding
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  my life or not, because if we' re clear about it, they
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  ' ll be clear to our kids in the end and we' ll get
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  the best out of them, because we' re getting the best out of
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  ourselves. So do I. So I wanted to help you have a great
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  time and we speak God again through next week, a very affectionate embrace to
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  everyone as well. Thank you You travel on the train of life. Ladies
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  and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the journey. How magnificent to
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  be speaking here with such good friends, there with the special visit and our
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  dear friend and companion and a whole pope of the Christian world, don Pastor
• 2:36:37
  Juan Pablo Juan Pablo war and also with the contest of good friends yaumallenas here
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  in Tertulia, another look of the present day. Well, we' ve
• 2:36:50
  had some flases, not as well as very much above, but it'
• 2:36:56
  s always interesting to talk to sages like Jauma and like John Paul. Jo
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  John Paul is a wise man. I assure you and if you see him
• 2:37:03
  in his habitats, in his context and in his daily television program is also,
• 2:37:09
  he plays the piano very well, he is a composer and besides and
• 2:37:13
  he has his piano in his studio and sings with the good people character and
• 2:37:20
  sings tango. Yeah, don' t believe it, too, besides the
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  ignodes you like. He likes it very much, well, because we have
• 2:37:28
  also been after we have gone to the next station with our friend, Dr
• 2:37:33
  Roca, to remind us of the subject of a little, the fastos of
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  Holy Week a little bit, a forensic chronology of the sufferings of Christ and
• 2:37:45
  of the final fact, the triumph of his reaction. Jesus is risen.
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  How glorious that already Hendel alelu we have rescued at the end of the conversation.
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  And also good finally, our dear friend, Judith Caso, the psychotherapist
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  who tells us about the trami We talked about many practical issues of domestic psychology,
• 2:38:07
  family, parent children, endless subjects. We have over 200 subjects with
• 2:38:13
  Judith cas O, treated in a very interesting way. But this issue of
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  values, the transmission of spiritual values to our children, is, of course,
• 2:38:22
  also a topic and she has addressed it very well. Right, with
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  that nimble verb you have. I remind you that you can write to me
• 2:38:33
  for any question of your interest, consult or if you want any personal information
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  and if someone who listens to us on any 50' s station. In
• 2:38:43
  fact, there are currently about sixty cities that are tuning in weekly the train
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  of life marre. I say fifty, but counting that the other day with
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  silvia. It' s about sixty Spanish cities a week. If you want
• 2:39:00
  to know an evangelical church closely, write to me. Please, we'
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  re going to refer you to some good bngre church that there are many there.
• 2:39:07
  There are four thousand five hundred evangelical churches throughout the Spanish state, and
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  the truth is that there are very good ones. They are places of peace,
• 2:39:16
  of friendship, of very good harmony. They' re people like us,
• 2:39:22
  they' re all diverse citizens. Then you can write to me in
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  the mail Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life. Point is, if
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  you want to talk to me, talk, dialogue or ask for a local
• 2:39:39
  church. If any of you who are a listener of the train of life
• 2:39:43
  and have an interest, as we are told, sometimes write us some for
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  Whatsapp or because it also appears on our skirt or by email Julio Pérez Arroba,
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  the train of life. Point is we' ve been asked for a
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  new will or a Bible, people who don' t have Bibles to a
• 2:40:01
  believer who has Bibles. Not to the place, if you need one to
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  buy it but the question is a person who has not read the Bible that
• 2:40:09
  would like to read it. I from the train of life send you a
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  Bible signed by me everything in this case write to Julio Pérez Arroba the train
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  of life. Point is and any other issue, a proposal, a suggestion,
• 2:40:24
  a criticism. If you want how we do not humbly have to admit
• 2:40:30
  them also in good tone, but it is clear. We' re enjoying
• 2:40:35
  ourselves in democracy. I don' t like people here who are dictators for
• 2:40:39
  life, they don' t go with me. Then those who know me
• 2:40:46
  already know that it is so. So because it' s my own style
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  that I also practice in my habitat with my people. I believe in a
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  leadership of influence more than impossible, and that has been a blessing. It
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  is the style of Jesus that we have learned. Ladies and gentlemen, I
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  remember Julio Pérez on the train of life. Point is Julio Pérez Arroba the
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  train of life. Point is mail where you can send us and write us
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  nothing more and nothing less. God, through next week with more guests.
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  The train continues to travel to the next Chao evangelical churches a place of peace
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  and friendship. You can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or
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  your population. You' ll be very welcome. Nte