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#287: Smile (2022) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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  You can't escape your own mind. Welcome to What's Your Least
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  Favorite Scary Movie? The podcast where we talk about
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  the good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd and all of our
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  favorite. And least favorite?
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  Scary movies. Because we believe every horror
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  movie rightfully has fan base. Always get it.
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  My name is Travis. My name is Jesse.
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  And welcome back everybody. We are talking about Smile this
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  week on the show. Yes.
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  And just a quick housekeeping item, it is most likely that
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  this is going to be what we refer to as a live unedited
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  recording just due to some things that have happened in our
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  personal life, so. Yeah, nothing bad.
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  It's just, you know, scheduling should happen and you know, that
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  just is what it is. So hopefully that's OK with
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  everybody. Yes, we try not to do this too
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  often with our like non bonus episodes just because we really
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  do believe in the quality that we want to put out there most of
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  the time. But sometimes this just happens.
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  So it's either this or no episode this week.
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  So we opted for an episode that might be a little bit raw around
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  the edges than we're typically putting out there, so.
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  It's OK. I think we're gonna do just
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  fine. We'll see.
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  We're. We're talking about a fucking
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  banger of a movie this week. Yeah.
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  So before we get into any of that, though, I do not have
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  polls. Again, Part of our chaotic
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  schedule over the weekend kind of just slipped through the
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  cracks, unfortunately. So that's not a thing that we're
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  gonna be reviewing at the beginning of this episode, but
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  I'll have one out for Smile on Friday, so be.
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  On the SO he says. So I say I could be wrong, I
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  could be a liar right now, but I hope I'm not.
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  That's not the goal. All right.
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  You got any announcements? No, I already did that.
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  OK, well then I guess we just go right in.
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  To smile. Yeah, OK, So Smile premiered
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  September 22nd, 2022 at Fantastic Fest, with its wide
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  release 8 days later at September 30th, 2022.
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  We watched it on Paramount Plus and if you want to watch it
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  right now, you will have to watch it on Paramount Plus or on
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  Netflix, but there's also rental options such as Amazon, Apple,
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  YouTube and Fandango at home. This movie is written and
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  directed by Parker Finn, music by Cristobal Tepia de Vere, and
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  I've got a little snippet for that right there.
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  So does that name sound familiar to you?
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  Can. You say it one more time.
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  Cristobal Tapia de Vieux. Yes, only because the Cristobal
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  sounds familiar. OK.
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  Well you've you've went on a rant about this guy with me
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  personally. I don't know if other people
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  share this, but he's the guy that did the White Lotus theme.
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  I didn't go on a rant. You went on season threes.
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  Yes, because season threes was not so good, but some of that
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  was due to Greg White interfering and being apparently
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  kind of a little bit of a menace towards Crystal Ball.
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  But I don't know, there's a lot of stuff going on behind the
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  scenes. Listen, if you guys are
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  interested, just like deep dive into the White Lotus subreddit.
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  But no, the first season, absolute banger.
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  Second season, some people think it's the best version of the
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  theme. You disagree.
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  I disagree, I like the Hawaii season but this one what we were
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  getting in the runtime just was not hitting.
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  If you listen to the full version on YouTube it sounds
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  pretty good. See people, this is what I was
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  talking. I didn't go on a rim, but here's
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  a rim. I am not alone in how
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  disappointing that because we didn't have the woos.
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  Yeah. And we said that it's in the
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  extended. Version yes.
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  Yeah, I knew that that was gonna get a reaction out of you just
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  because of that. I think he kills it in the
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  soundtrack for this one. I saw how he actually did some
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  of this stuff. I think he also did some of the
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  noises for the monster and he had these like, really, really
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  weird instruments. I don't even know what I would
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  call them. Like I'd never seen them before
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  in my life. Yeah, it was like a whole like
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  10 minute segment of like, no commentary, nothing.
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  It just like was like a camera of his little studio and he was
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  just making sounds. That's cool.
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  It was pretty neat. I appreciate it.
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  Special effects makeup. We have two teams here.
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  We have Amalgamated Dynamics who did the practical effects and
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  the Artery who did visual effects.
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  I feel like we've heard of amalgamated effects.
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  Sounds familiar. They had talked about they some
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  of the people that does some of the design work on the the
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  monster at the end of this movie or the demon, I guess if you
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  wanted to call it that. They made mention of Pumpkinhead
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  being one of the things that they worked on, but it's not
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  Stan Winston that did this, so I don't know.
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  Could have been people that worked on that team.
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  Tremors. Tremors.
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  That's why I thought it sound familiar.
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  OK, so yeah, it was a solid team right here.
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  All right, so starring Socie Bacon as Rose Cotter, Kyle
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  Garner as Joel, Jessie T Usher as Trevor, Robin Wiegert as
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  Doctor, Madeline Northcott and Gillian Zinzer as Holly.
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  OK Jesse, time for her favorite show or game on this show live
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  episode. Game show.
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  Yeah, time for her favorite game on this show.
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  Budget or budget? Welcome to every fucking TV.
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  Or not to be Travis. We, I know, we say, you know,
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  you can't really hold it over me now after you've fucked up here.
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  No, that'll be true once I fuck it up like 3 more times.
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  OK, well, I'm keeping count. All right, So what's your guess
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  here? You think it's budget or bug
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  Ted? Budget being 10 million and
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  above I. Think it's high bug Ted.
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  High bug, Ted. Well, this movie is $17 million.
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  Wow, I didn't think Kyle Gallner was allowed to be in a movie
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  that was considered budget. Did he, I mean.
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  I feel like he's an indie darling.
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  Nightmare on Elm Street was probably butchered.
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  Maybe not. I don't know.
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  They didn't really throw a whole lot of money at those remakes.
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  I didn't. I don't know that movie it.
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  Doesn't matter, he's in it whether you.
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  Like it? I forgot how it's gone.
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  There's a piece of cinematic history there with.
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  That I forgot he was in it. He's a sad little limo kid again
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  I. Was going to say that's his role
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  in Jennifer's Body. Yep, Yep.
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  All right, Opening box office 22 million Worldwide Gross 217
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  million Wow. IMDb 6.5 out of 10.
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  Really. I actually I'm surprised.
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  I thought it would have been even higher than that.
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  Yeah, I thought, I mean that I guess that kind of feels right
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  it I see a lot of people like this movie, but I think the more
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  I looked into it, the more I saw some people were on it.
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  OK, Yeah, but I have three other movies that released in 2022
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  that. Dude, 2022 is a banger of a
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  year. How on earth?
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  What? What kind of a theme did you
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  come up? With well OK there I I could do
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  2 themes because today on connections they did 2022 horror
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  movies and smile was one of them.
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  So if we're talking about as was.
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  Pearl. Yeah, as was, Yeah.
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  So Pearl, Scream and Nope were on that list, but I have a whole
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  other list here. I have a theme, and the theme is
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  other things you can do with your mouth.
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  Yes, Jesse, raise your eyebrow. That's right, baby.
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  All right, So movie #1 talk to me.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Which is actually really funny because it's more of a hand that
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  you have to use, but then that invokes like 80s, nineties talk
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  to the hand. That's true.
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  Yeah. So Talk to Me came out October
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  30th, 2022. That was the premiere date.
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  It actually had it's wide release in 23 I believe, or
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  maybe 24 I can't remember. It was, it was in August, I
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  remember because we saw it on your birthday.
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  That's true. So 23 probably Budget of 4.5
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  million worldwide Gross 91,000,000 IMDb 7.1.
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  Yeah, I know a lot of people love that.
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  I I am in the minority. Yeah, I didn't really talk.
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  About it at some point. Yeah, we will.
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  Movie #2 Swallowed that release. I haven't.
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  Even heard of that. I hadn't either.
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  I've heard of swallow, but I've not heard swallowed all.
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  Right. I'm going to continue to be a
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  contrarian, and I'm going to say that you don't swallow with your
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  mouth, you swallow with your throat.
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  OK, well I guess you can be like a little downer here and just
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  fuck up my theme here that I worked really hard to try and
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  piece together. Good.
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  Enough, apparently. So anyways, that movie released
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  June 4th. Before these stretches.
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  Jesse, this is not even that big of a stretch.
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  You need How you going to swallow without your mouth?
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  How's it going to get in there? It has to go into the mouth for
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  it to be swallowed. You don't swallow with any other
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  orifice. Orifice.
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  Yes, that's what I said. I mean feeding tube would just
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  go like you don't need the mouth for it.
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  Yeah, but you're not swallowing shit.
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  It just gets like put into you whatever.
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  Anyways I released June 4th 2022.
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  Don't have budget or gross but it's a 5.3 on IMDb.
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  What's? It about I.
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  Have no idea the I think it was like vampireship.
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  OK, I could be wrong I don't know.
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  It's been a week. Yeah, it really sounds like
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  you're just making. I I gathered all this
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  information days ago, so I I forgot.
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  So the final one is Speak No Evil that is the original 1, the
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  non James McAvoy one that released March 17th and it had a
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  bunch of 3.2 million worldwide gross 377,000 IMDb score of 6.6.
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  I just have to point out that something that you would not do
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  with your mouse because it's speaking no evil.
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  Well, I'm it's an action still. I'm speaking no evil with my
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  mouth. I'm speaking good shit.
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  I'm speaking good shit. I'm not speak no evil, speak
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  good. You do speak good, honey.
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  Thank you. OK, let's do some tag lines.
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  Let's do some tag lines. All right, so the tag line on
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  the poster, once you see it, it's too late.
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  That's true. That feels although, like,
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  that's one of those tag lines that it like feels really good,
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  but then you're like, this feels like it could apply to a ton of
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  horror movies. Yeah, it can.
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  And also it's not too late. You can still survive this thing
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  if you see him. Yeah, you just have to be a cold
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  down by driver that's. True.
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  Yeah. All right #2 pass it on.
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  Yeah, I like that. It's like a little like passing
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  notes in the classroom. Again, and there were a lot of
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  similarities between this and it followed is that I clocked this
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  time because we just watched it follows last.
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  Weekend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could get
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  that too. It's like that.
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  It follows in the ring is really like influential on this.
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  I feel the new face of fear. That's a good run.
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  Yeah, that's a good run. It's a scary face.
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  I'll give them credit there. It's not the derpy :) from.
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  Truth or dare? Yeah, and the final one, what
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  makes you smile? That one's kind of lame.
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  Yeah. So it's whatever.
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  All right, so that's it for the tag lines.
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  Let's get into some fun facts. Do it.
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  So I gotta watch it for this. So this movie is actually a
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  follow up to Parker Finn's short that he did in 2020.
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  It's called Laura Hasn't Slept. It stars Caitlin Stacy, who is
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  the girl Laura from the opening of this movie.
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  Same girl. It's not a direct sequel,
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  though. I feel like I originally thought
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  that, but it's more of like a parallel, same type of
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  character, same actor, same name and everything.
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  They just told it, retold it and smile in the opening instead.
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  But this one has Lou Temple as her psychiatrist and that, yeah,
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  I thought that that was kind of neat.
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  That's only going to be in maybe a few people like him.
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  I like him because he was really nice to me at Scarefest.
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  When I was I think you're forgetting the popular allure of
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  The Walking Dead. Oh yeah.
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  Is he a big character in that? I know he's in it, I just
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  didn't. Have no fucking clue but people.
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  I feel like people can name the minorist of characters in The
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  Walking Dead at this point. You're you're right.
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  Yeah. So this movie was originally
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  planned to be a Paramount Plus release.
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  However, it has such strong test screenings that they decided
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  they were going to make it a theatrical release.
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  All right? The original title was going to
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  be Something's Wrong with Rose. Paramount spent about $50
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  million promoting this movie. They concocted a marketing
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  campaign that it was a it was a the weekend.
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  It was like, yeah, it was like viral.
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  They had people showing up at like baseball games and.
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  Stuff, It was a weekend before they released the movies when
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  they did it. And this one was really cool
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  because I'm a big baseball fan. And I remember when this movie
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  came out, like, there were people, like, there are people
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  smiling behind the umpire. Like, what the fuck is going on?
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  And I went back and I already watched the footage of that, and
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  it is pretty creepy. But they have them like, wearing
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  like, these neon signs and it's just like, smile written on
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  there and undershirts. And yeah, it was a really
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  effective marketing campaign. So the original intent for the
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  story here is it's basically a nightmare from Rosa's
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  perspective that gradually escalates throughout the film.
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  They used Parker Finn, used personal fears as influencers
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  for this. So the first one was mine being
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  against you, and the second one is nobody believing you.
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  And it's essentially just turned trauma into a curse that pursues
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  you throughout the movie, is what he was going with here.
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  Which is, you know, I would say kind of what trauma is anyway.
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  Yeah, that's true. And they, I was watching like a
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  behind the scenes feature thing for this and they were really
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  like going in on the trauma aspect of it.
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  And then this movie is very upfront about the trauma.
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  Like they outright mention that. It's not like subtext or
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  anything in this movie. It's like straight up.
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  Text, yeah. Rose is in every single scene of
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  this movie, by the way. There's not a scene without her.
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  Damn Sosie. I know it's pretty impressive.
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  People spoke really highly of her too.
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  You know, obviously this is Kevin Bacon's daughter, so she's
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  had some experience. She got that sizzle.
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  She got that sizzle, she got that nose.
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  She does exactly like Kevin Bacon.
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  Just always think of Rodger from American Dad with the the the
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  nose. Oh my God, it's a monster.
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  It's the star of the hit movie Monster.
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  So it was shot mostly with wide lenses, even on the close up
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  shots. It did this to allow the
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  environment to breathe a little bit and you keep your eye on the
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  background. That way you're just, you know,
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  kind of like it follows where you're always looking for.
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  Things and I'm going to tell you guys it was effective because
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  there were a couple of times that Travis paused and rewound
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  the movie. So he's like, wait, I'm trying
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  to see. I feel like there's a thing back
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  there. There was a scene where I
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  thought there was a guy in the windows in the garage across the
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  street just staring. And it was just a reflection.
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  I don't think it was a reflection.
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  It was a reflection. It was a silhouette.
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  This is just. Like us playing Paranormal Ink
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  all over again it. Kind of is, yeah.
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  So they went sets very, very differently.
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  They wanted them to become or like a peer less inviting and
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  they wanted to make the mundane unnerving essentially.
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  So with the hospital, they chose the colors pink and blue because
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  they saw a study that pink is the most calming color.
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  So like, all right, let's take that and let's make it
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  disturbing. Speaking of the hospital, this
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  was shot during COVID and you know, COVID had a really big
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  kind of need for hospitals. What?
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  So yeah, yeah, there was there was a thing that happened.
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  I. Don't remember that.
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  Yeah, apparently hospitals were crazy in demand in 2020.
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  I don't know. I feel like that would have been
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  on the news. Probably should have been well
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  anyways. They lost their hospital last
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  second because of that, because they couldn't allow them to.
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  Film they were going to shoot like on set, on site they
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  weren't. Yeah, they had a hospital.
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  They. Really, they shot this in New
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  Jersey and they wanted this to be like a New Jersey movie.
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  Like they wanted it to feel like that they were talking about.
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  They would see movies that have like ambiguous cities and like
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  they would shoot in different cities.
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  So you never really got a feel of like where you are.
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  And they don't want that to be the case with this one.
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  So they just wanted to, you know, make it very Jersey and
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  they wanted to shoot in the hospital, but they couldn't.
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  So they ended up having to take the limited budget that they
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  have and build a whole hospital set.
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  Listen, did these these guys, these wise guys, did they think
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  they were going to make a Jersey movie with our one Felissa Rose?
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  You know, she could have been in there.
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  She could have been. She's got, I mean, she's got one
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  of the creepiest smiles out there.
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  Yeah. It's like iconic, you know?
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  Like. Yeah, also that makes smile
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  Jersey's plotation the sub genre that we coined on this the show.
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  Oh my goodness, I hope you guys heard that Zoe Meow.
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  I think she also has very strong.
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  Thoughts. Zoe believes that this is a 100%
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  of Jersey's plotation movie. Yeah.
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  So there are a couple of tales when there's a demon present and
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  not a real person that the wardrobe person was trying to
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  do. I love, I love stuff like this,
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  OK? Yeah, it's cool.
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  So it's apparently like the presence of yellow clothing.
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  So you know that scene when Rose goes to the hospital to
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  confront, I think his name was Carl?
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  Yeah, Carl. And the doctor comes in there
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  and, you know, rips his face off, you know, like does that
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  and freaks her out. He's got a yellow tie on.
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  But that following scene when she's in the the parking lot, he
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  goes out there to talk to her and his size green instead.
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  And then there's a scene with Joel where once he's like the
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  demon for her. He has like yellow socks on.
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  And I tried to like keep an eye out for that, but I didn't see
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  it really much with any of the other ones.
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  But maybe it just, I don't know. I think that that may have been
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  them trying to do that and it may not have been achieved on
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  every. Person that was set dressed
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  well, it might have just been really subtle.
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  So it's kind of maybe we need to watch for it.
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  Yeah well, I was trying to watch for it whenever I was cuz I did
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  all this before I even watched the movie with you on last week.
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  Yeah. Would you like to know another
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  yellow fact? Sure, that's Tyra Banks's
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  favorite color. Wow, I'm so happy for her.
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  She's just sharing knowledge. I'm just sharing knowledge.
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  You want to know another yellow fact that's the color of that
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  warrior Wiz? OK, and the final thing, the
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  monster and nightmare mom, that's what they call it her.
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  They were 100% practical. They achieved this through
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  puppeteering and actually like constructing that as like a
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  thing that somebody wore as like a as like a costume.
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  So even that scene when the monster climbs into Rose's mouth
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  is all practically shot. They had a dummy of Rose or
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  saucy bacon created that the person like they just use a
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  creative perspective and they actually like had it to where
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  they could like extend the jaw and he could kind of like climb
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  inside the mouth there for a second.
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  But like ripping the face off and it being like the three
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  faces or whatever on, they're all practical.
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  I'm picturing like the creepy, I forget what they named the new
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  Xenomorph at the end of Romulus. I'm picturing that dude cuz I
• 19:56
  was a really tall dude in a lot of practical prosthetics and
• 20:00
  makeup and I'm picturing a similar kind of situation.
• 20:02
  Yeah, it was really impressive. They got another dude here that
• 20:05
  was very unique physique to play that role.
• 20:08
  Yeah. So yeah, that's the fun facts I
• 20:11
  have for this. OK, All right, so let's do some
• 20:14
  good, bad, ugly and absurd. And Jesse, you kick it off.
• 20:17
  What did you like about smile? So I like it, but I'm also sad
• 20:22
  for the director for this because you can tell it's
• 20:25
  written by somebody who actually, like, really fucking
• 20:27
  gets it. Yeah, which it's nice to watch a
• 20:32
  movie and like feel seen. Like if you if you have like
• 20:39
  kind of any experiences with mental health and trauma, like
• 20:42
  it's nice to see it done correctly in a way where you're
• 20:46
  like, oh shit, like maybe we should go do group therapy
• 20:49
  together or something. Yeah, it is interesting.
• 20:53
  I, I thought it also told like an interesting perspective from
• 20:56
  like Trevor's side, where like he's having to live with
• 20:58
  somebody that has like these episodes and it's like, it's
• 21:01
  hard to like, you know, you're trying to help, but like, it's
• 21:05
  hard to help people like when they're like that and they can't
• 21:08
  help it because I mean, that's just like they're like dealing
• 21:11
  with some shit that's really not making them mentally.
• 21:13
  Well, and The thing is, I think he could have phrased it in a
• 21:16
  much more compassionate way to her, but I totally get where
• 21:19
  he's coming from of like, this is beyond my skill level to
• 21:23
  manage. This is somebody who has
• 21:27
  potential to become a danger to herself or others, like, because
• 21:30
  he's just thinking about the fact that their wine glass is
• 21:33
  gone. Yeah, Those are gone.
• 21:36
  Mr. Mustache gone. RIP.
• 21:41
  Like, relationship with the sister that Trevor didn't even
• 21:45
  really want to see also gone. Yeah, it's.
• 21:50
  Yeah. So.
• 21:52
  Fiance. Yeah.
• 21:54
  He just lost her. Yeah, So like I, I get his
• 21:58
  perspective. I think he could have been, I
• 22:00
  think he could have had a little bit more compassion.
• 22:04
  And I'll probably talk about that more as we go through it
• 22:06
  because I think he he gives up, he tries nothing and runs out of
• 22:10
  ideas. You know what I mean?
• 22:11
  He doesn't try nothing. He tries something.
• 22:13
  We'll talk about it here in a. Minute I guess.
• 22:15
  Well, let's go ahead and talk about now.
• 22:18
  I mean, I I agree with you that I think that he was really
• 22:21
  shitty with like the way like I woke up your family and I just
• 22:24
  want to know what kind of crazy I'm getting hitched to.
• 22:26
  That's a problem. That was bad, however he did try
• 22:29
  to help by getting her therapist there to try and have like a sit
• 22:32
  down together that way they could work it out together.
• 22:35
  My problem is he never had like a respectful answer to what she
• 22:40
  was saying. And I'm not saying that if
• 22:42
  somebody comes to you with psychotic delusions that you
• 22:45
  should absolutely endorse them. But there's a way to do it other
• 22:49
  than being like, do you need to take medication?
• 22:52
  Like you can be like, hey, it sounds really scary what you
• 22:54
  feel like is happening. How about we go inside, we talk
• 22:57
  about this, and maybe we come up with a game plan that's not
• 23:00
  necessarily feeding into the delusion, but it's acknowledging
• 23:02
  like what's happening and then trying to get the person to feel
• 23:06
  safe and comfortable with you, to be in a safe and comfortable
• 23:09
  environment. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the
• 23:11
  right approach. I think if he would have done
• 23:12
  that in this case, he would have realized, oh, this is not the
• 23:15
  way to go because she would have been like, OK, he's indulging
• 23:18
  me, he believes me. And then, you know, that's not
• 23:21
  really like you don't want to indulge that whole thing.
• 23:23
  And I think also part of the problem is that she never lets
• 23:26
  her walls down around him. So he has never had to have any
• 23:30
  kind of emotional strength in their relationship.
• 23:33
  Yeah. And that's what I mean, Like, he
• 23:35
  basically tries nothing. Like, he hears this and he goes,
• 23:37
  you know what? I looked up bipolar.
• 23:41
  I'm just assuming bipolar. I'm not actually officially
• 23:43
  diagnosing. Please don't pick that as a
• 23:44
  diagnosis. Yeah.
• 23:45
  Schizophrenia. Well, I don't know based off of
• 23:49
  like I'm. That's what they were saying in
• 23:51
  the thing, like they were really heavily like they took
• 23:54
  schizophrenia as one of the. Oh, I was talking about her mom.
• 23:57
  Oh yeah. OK.
• 24:01
  Just kind of based off of some of the things that, like, Holly
• 24:05
  and Rose were both saying to each other.
• 24:06
  Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:08
  That's a. Different thing, yes yeah no no,
• 24:10
  no. I understand psychotic delusions
• 24:11
  are a lot more heavily associated with like the schizo
• 24:14
  disorders. But yeah, so I, I, there's a,
• 24:20
  there's a big, there's a lot of area in the middle from being
• 24:24
  like, yes, you're definitely being hunted by a demon to like,
• 24:27
  hey, I looked up your childhood trauma and I'm going to wield it
• 24:31
  against you in this moment where you're being emotionally
• 24:33
  vulnerable with me. Like there's a place in the
• 24:35
  middle. Yeah, there is.
• 24:39
  There is you don't have to acknowledge like you don't have
• 24:42
  to endorse the delusions, but you can acknowledge how they are
• 24:45
  upsetting to somebody. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:48
  It's a complex thing, yes. And at least he did try and get
• 24:51
  help when all else failed. I feel after that, that's when
• 24:54
  he did give up, which I, you know, I think when you do like
• 24:58
  something like that and the way that that was I guess received
• 25:05
  wasn't so well and like she basically broke up with him on
• 25:08
  the spot there. It's just like, OK.
• 25:11
  Yeah, well, cuz she was like, you don't actually like me when
• 25:13
  I'm not doing, when I'm not being perfect.
• 25:16
  Like she was like, as long as I'm holding it together, you're
• 25:18
  cool with it. The only problem is we don't see
• 25:20
  their interactions when they're normal like we only see her
• 25:24
  pretty much like after that. And I feel like that's fully
• 25:26
  intentional because we're supposed to see how she can be
• 25:30
  completely open with Kyle Gallner's character.
• 25:34
  And he's like the only one who, like, think about the way he
• 25:37
  reacts to her. No, yeah, that way.
• 25:40
  I thought he did a good job with it.
• 25:41
  Yeah, he didn't, like, entertain her right away, but then he
• 25:44
  looked into it himself and he didn't immediately dismiss it.
• 25:47
  And he's like, OK, whatever. Like we'll say I necessarily.
• 25:49
  Believe and endorse. But he listened and he was like.
• 25:52
  He's like, OK, well. Sounds like you're really upset.
• 25:54
  Yeah, Let's see. So if this is a thing,
• 25:56
  basically, you know, like he's like, whoa, whatever.
• 25:59
  Whoa, Yeah. Please don't take anything we're
• 26:02
  saying is actual medical advice. I just disclaimer, we're we're
• 26:05
  just like a disclaimer disclaimer.
• 26:06
  We're not providing any medical advice here, we're just talking
• 26:08
  about two movie. Characters, yes.
• 26:11
  OK. I'm sorry.
• 26:11
  What else good do you have to say?
• 26:13
  Or do you have anything else good to say?
• 26:14
  I mean, that's one of the biggest things about this movie,
• 26:17
  and it when we first saw the trailers for it, I remember
• 26:21
  thinking like, oh God, this looks so fucking stupid.
• 26:24
  And we just kept hearing how good it was and when it came to
• 26:28
  streaming and we watched it, I think we were both like kind of
• 26:32
  gobsmacked at how completely different it was from our
• 26:36
  expectations. This is the thing and I
• 26:38
  remembered seeing this when this movie was about to come out and
• 26:43
  I got went back and found the thread, but there was a Reddit
• 26:45
  thread where a guy that is like a friend of a friend of Parker,
• 26:48
  he went on to dreading he's like, look, this guy like I know
• 26:52
  there's a lot of doubts about this movie because of the
• 26:54
  premise, but. I remember that.
• 26:56
  Yeah. Like he's like he, he almost
• 26:58
  kind of put him on. He's like he's in his 30s, OK,
• 27:01
  like, but like, you know, he's a he's a new director in his 30s,
• 27:05
  but he like in his. 30s he's never been tested.
• 27:08
  He's a new director. Premise sounds kind of stupid.
• 27:12
  This guy was like, just trust. Me, yeah.
• 27:14
  He was like, this guy's green, but what he has going for him,
• 27:16
  and he is, he's really good at building atmosphere.
• 27:20
  And after like going back and reading that, like, you know
• 27:23
  what? This guy kind of nailed it.
• 27:24
  Like, yeah, if you think of the premise, it's kind of dumb.
• 27:26
  But when you actually watch the movie and see the execution, it
• 27:29
  ends up actually working pretty well.
• 27:32
  OK, sorry. All right, what's your goods?
• 27:34
  My goods is, I mean, it's that like the atmosphere, this movie
• 27:38
  is so, so tense. Like it reminds me of It Follows
• 27:43
  in the Ring. I mean, especially It Follows.
• 27:45
  The thing with It Follows that always gets me is like, you
• 27:47
  never know. Like the sense of that thing
• 27:50
  following you all the times. It's fucking terrifying.
• 27:53
  And that's I just kind of want to throw this out there that
• 28:00
  that is a reality for some people like it going back to
• 28:04
  them drawing heavily on schizophrenia.
• 28:07
  It's like a gang stalking thing where people are like under the
• 28:09
  impression that people are like after them and just constantly
• 28:12
  like watching them and. Like I can't imagine the
• 28:15
  absolute exhaustion of just living your life in fear like
• 28:19
  that. And genuinely believing it to be
• 28:24
  true, like regardless if it's not true or whatever, like in
• 28:28
  our objective reality, for a person's subjective reality to
• 28:32
  believe that and for it to be absolutely true doesn't make it
• 28:34
  any less exhausting and fear inducing.
• 28:37
  It's terrifying, Yeah. Honestly, yeah.
• 28:39
  Like to have to deal with that and like, you know, not even
• 28:43
  like in this movie, think that it's real and not even think
• 28:45
  that it's something that you can get treated.
• 28:46
  Yeah. But this movie does a really
• 28:48
  good job with that. And that's like, it's just this,
• 28:50
  it's a basic concept, but I think that they nailed it with
• 28:53
  this. Like the smiles were really well
• 28:57
  done too. And like, I think that that's
• 28:58
  like a really stupid thing to say.
• 29:00
  Like every one of these people put on a very creepy smile.
• 29:04
  And I think he knew how to, like, get them to like do it in
• 29:07
  a way that is just unsettling. Like, it's not like the sinister
• 29:11
  smile. Like it's somebody's like got
• 29:13
  the angry eyes, but they're smiling like it's just like this
• 29:16
  blank almost. Yeah.
• 29:19
  The only sinister one that I think was really good was the
• 29:21
  doctors when she like switches to the doctor when she gets the
• 29:26
  phone call from her. Oh cuz that was the that was the
• 29:29
  smile entity fucking with me at that point.
• 29:31
  That one makes my fucking like. Especially like.
• 29:34
  Bumps. I've got it right now just
• 29:36
  thinking about it. That one got me the first time.
• 29:38
  It gets me every other time I watch this.
• 29:40
  Movie The one that gets me before that is when she gets the
• 29:42
  call from the security company and the person on the phone was
• 29:45
  like, Are you sure you haven't already let something in Rose?
• 29:47
  That one is very creepy, too. Yeah, and that's the thing.
• 29:50
  I mean, that's what this movie does well.
• 29:51
  It's like that throughout this movie and it gradually builds.
• 29:55
  And we were talking about this as we were watching, and this
• 29:57
  whole thing takes place over 5 days.
• 29:58
  Yeah, it's a five day. Movie it is.
• 30:00
  It is absolutely bonkers how much they escalate things in
• 30:03
  such a short amount of time, in such a like way that draws you
• 30:07
  in and you're like, this feels like it jumped very quickly.
• 30:09
  It doesn't feel like it jumps very quickly, but it actually
• 30:11
  really does. Yeah, I mean, like the story
• 30:14
  just developed in a really interesting way and it was
• 30:18
  engaging the entire time. There's not a down moment in
• 30:21
  this movie and it's not like an action-packed movie.
• 30:24
  It's not like a lot of like killing and shit going on and
• 30:26
  it's just like the terror and the dread kind of really carry
• 30:29
  it all the way through the end. It's not a short movie either.
• 30:32
  It's almost two hours. Yeah.
• 30:34
  OK, What's bad for you? So there's one point where she
• 30:38
  is doing an intake assessment for somebody.
• 30:41
  I think it may have even been Laura, but it could have been
• 30:43
  Carl. And she pulls one of those big
• 30:47
  plastic chairs over next to him. And this was this is how, you
• 30:52
  know, it wasn't filmed in an actual hospital psych unit.
• 30:55
  OK. Because those chairs are meant
• 30:58
  to be super, super heavy, so they can't be thrown and used as
• 31:00
  a weapon. They got the look of it right.
• 31:03
  But the fact that she like just went push like you have to, you
• 31:07
  have to put your back into it to or maybe it's your legs.
• 31:10
  I don't know what you do when you push.
• 31:11
  You lift with your legs, right? You lift with your legs.
• 31:13
  OK, Don't lift with your back. I don't know if you, I don't
• 31:16
  know if you push with your legs or your back, but you those
• 31:19
  chairs are heavy is what I'm trying to say.
• 31:20
  You lift with your back. That's what fucks up your back.
• 31:22
  Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that was just like a
• 31:25
  little inconsistency there that I noticed that kind of took me
• 31:29
  out of the moment. But I I snapped back into it
• 31:31
  pretty quickly because I was like, I need to not get hung up
• 31:34
  on this little thing. Yeah, for me, I I didn't really
• 31:40
  have much bad to say about this movie, but I mean, there were a
• 31:45
  few occasional cheap jumpscapes that came out here and there.
• 31:49
  Like when it's Wara, the Ghost of War or whatever, when she's
• 31:54
  listening to the recordings and there's like the ghost face that
• 31:56
  like, shows up right beside her and like yells in her ear.
• 32:00
  I'm a person and I've said this before and I'm sure I will say
• 32:03
  it again on this on the show. I am OK with a jump scare if
• 32:08
  it's built up and it's used sparingly and I feel like they
• 32:12
  were used in a way that they were always effective for me
• 32:14
  even if I saw them coming. Like I still got a jump.
• 32:17
  Yeah, I mean, it's not the worst one.
• 32:19
  I mean, I'm not like a hater of jump scares in general either,
• 32:22
  but I felt like in comparison to everything else that we got in
• 32:25
  this movie, when you go with one of those right there, it just
• 32:28
  kind of like, come on, guys, I know you guys are better than
• 32:30
  this. Like I have seen all the other
• 32:32
  shit you're doing. You can do something better than
• 32:33
  that little cheap gag right there.
• 32:35
  You know, that's really the only thing I could say bad about this
• 32:38
  movie though. OK, alright, ugly.
• 32:41
  Ugly. I think we're gonna, I'm gonna
• 32:44
  touch on some of the social commentary that's coming from
• 32:46
  this movie partially in the way that we do treat people with
• 32:51
  severe mental illness just kind of as a whole.
• 32:53
  Like think about her sister and brother-in-law talking about
• 32:57
  like, Oh well, she is just wasting her degree.
• 32:59
  That is the ugly that too like why are you like?
• 33:02
  Why else would you become a doctor like?
• 33:03
  I mean you. Don't have to like, deal with
• 33:06
  like stinky, sick people all of the time, you know what I mean?
• 33:09
  Like it's there to be to get rich.
• 33:12
  That's it. You know, you're not there to
• 33:13
  help anybody. You just want to make money for
• 33:15
  yourself. And I think putting Rose, our
• 33:18
  main protagonist, the person that we're following in
• 33:20
  literally every scene of this movie, I think putting her in a
• 33:23
  position that you do see somebody with say, like paranoid
• 33:27
  schizophrenia in like, that's not a person that is typically
• 33:34
  widely accepted and understood in society.
• 33:39
  Yeah. It's such a hard disease to
• 33:43
  treat. And that's why it's so great
• 33:44
  that they've started like that. They've developed these long
• 33:46
  lasting shots because one of the things, especially with things
• 33:50
  like schizophrenia is that you get on the meds, you start to
• 33:53
  feel good. Once you feel like you're in
• 33:55
  control, you're like, oh, I don't need the meds anymore.
• 33:57
  You come off of them, the cycle starts anew.
• 34:00
  These long lasting shots are meant to kind of help break some
• 34:02
  of that cycle. And I think it's just, it's I'm
• 34:05
  really passionate obviously about mental health.
• 34:08
  And I think the fact that this movie is commenting on how hard
• 34:15
  it is and how much people feel like they need to hide what
• 34:18
  they're going through. Because that like so much of
• 34:21
  Rose's character is anytime she starts to show any kind of a
• 34:24
  negative emotion, she immediately goes, Nope, sorry,
• 34:27
  don't know why I said that. What I mean is, and then she'll
• 34:29
  like put on her little fake smile.
• 34:30
  And there's even like 1 scene where she's like shaken up,
• 34:35
  exhausted, she's been crying and she's just trying to put on like
• 34:39
  some concealer and she practices a smile so she can go to her,
• 34:42
  her nephew's birthday party. And I think everything that this
• 34:46
  movie is trying to say in regards to mental health and
• 34:51
  societal support and understanding and everything I,
• 34:54
  I think that's kind of like an an ugly reflection on us as a
• 34:58
  whole. Yeah, I think you know that.
• 35:00
  I mean, you kind of had mine in there too.
• 35:02
  I was really upset with that, you know, discussion with Holly
• 35:05
  and the husband, Greg, I think it's his name.
• 35:08
  Yeah, fuck Greg. Yeah, fuck him it was.
• 35:10
  It's really interesting seeing how Holly and Rose handled like
• 35:14
  the event differently. They came out like split
• 35:16
  difference. And I think that was so
• 35:18
  interesting as well because at first you're just like, what the
• 35:21
  fuck is Holly's deal? And then you're like, oh, cool,
• 35:24
  she is completely like compartmentalizing her trauma.
• 35:28
  Well, she also didn't experience it first hand.
• 35:30
  She didn't walk in and like, walk away from her mom when her
• 35:33
  mom was calling, you know, like. I no, she didn't.
• 35:35
  She didn't witness her her mom's death, but her mom was abusive
• 35:39
  to both of them. Yeah.
• 35:40
  And that's what she made note of.
• 35:42
  She was like, I got the brunt of that.
• 35:44
  Like, yeah, she wasn't there when her mom killed herself.
• 35:48
  Sorry for, you know, the trigger warning, obviously for this
• 35:53
  movie. But you know, she did experience
• 35:56
  a lot of the abuse early on. Yeah, no.
• 35:59
  And I'm not denying that. I just, I feel like that's a
• 36:02
  separate traumatic. Of yeah.
• 36:03
  To, you know, because like I saw like the theories, which I don't
• 36:07
  really know if there's much theory.
• 36:08
  I mean, it makes a lot of sense. The reason that she is the way
• 36:10
  she is today is because like she, like the whole intro of
• 36:14
  this movie is she's walking out to leave her office and.
• 36:19
  She hears that phone call. She can't turn away from the
• 36:23
  help, somebody needing help, so she goes in there and that's
• 36:26
  what starts this whole. Thing and that's another thing
• 36:28
  is that our because us as a society don't take mental health
• 36:32
  as seriously as we should. Hospitals are underfunded and
• 36:37
  understaffed and maybe Rose wouldn't feel like she had to
• 36:39
  work 18 hour days and answer the phone after she's supposed to be
• 36:42
  leaving and all of that. I think that that was just a.
• 36:45
  Personal thing on her part, I think that she can't if.
• 36:50
  They had an emergency intake situation.
• 36:53
  They should be calling the doctor that's on call for that,
• 36:55
  not one specific Doctor Who may or may not be there for the day.
• 36:57
  Oh yeah, I guess somebody did call her for that.
• 36:59
  Yes, that that's, that's the main thing that like really got
• 37:02
  to me about that. So I, you know, I think this is
• 37:05
  also kind of like, you know, that's another nod to like, hey,
• 37:08
  we, this house, this country is in a mental health crisis.
• 37:11
  Yeah, OK. Yeah.
• 37:13
  Well then, what's absurd? The fact that Joel makes point
• 37:18
  of only having one day off for a week, like in a week, and like,
• 37:23
  he's doing police work, but it seems like he's doing like
• 37:26
  police work for Rose even when he's on the clock.
• 37:29
  Yeah, it just seems like he could just do whatever.
• 37:31
  I mean, it doesn't seem like they ask questions, you know, I
• 37:34
  don't know. I'm not a cop.
• 37:36
  I don't know what the daily duties of a cop usually is, you
• 37:40
  know, but I think that he's like a, he's the detective I think or
• 37:44
  something cuz he's like doing a lot of investigating instead of
• 37:48
  like, you know, the general cop work that you typically see.
• 37:52
  I think you get a little bit more leeway if you're a
• 37:54
  detective. Maybe.
• 37:55
  I don't think so. It seems like maybe they need
• 37:59
  more detectives if nobody put together this string of people
• 38:03
  witnessing suicides. So what we've found out is New
• 38:06
  Jersey is severely lacking in mental health specialists and
• 38:09
  detectives. Yes, yes, all right.
• 38:12
  Like there are just so many reports of people witnessing
• 38:15
  horrific suicides that like, they don't even bother to see if
• 38:19
  there's any like, commonalities in them.
• 38:23
  Yeah, my upset thing is the degree of trauma that fucking
• 38:26
  nephew gets throughout this move.
• 38:28
  My God. And it almost becomes funny to
• 38:31
  me. And it shouldn't.
• 38:32
  But like the kid that the cat is so fucking.
• 38:34
  Traumatic. That's traumatic, but then later
• 38:37
  like. Hurts are breaking down in the
• 38:39
  car and then it just slow pants to the kid watching from his
• 38:42
  bedroom window. He's just like.
• 38:44
  It's. Just so fucking funny.
• 38:45
  It's a funny shot. Best dark humor this decade?
• 38:49
  Like it's so it's so dark, but you're right.
• 38:52
  I feel like it's funny. Yeah.
• 38:54
  It makes me like it gives me joy for some reason, seeing this kid
• 38:59
  experience that shit right there.
• 39:02
  OK. What do you rate this?
• 39:03
  9. OK, yeah, I'd give it a nine, 9
• 39:08
  1/2. I think that this is a really
• 39:11
  strong movie. It really is.
• 39:12
  Like, yeah, it has no right to be a nine and a half.
• 39:15
  But it really is, and I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
• 39:19
  Spoiler for whenever we eventually cover it.
• 39:21
  I think the second one absolutely holds the fuck up to
• 39:23
  this. Yeah, I'm super curious for the
• 39:26
  third. Yeah.
• 39:27
  Yeah. All right, so let's get on into
• 39:30
  it. OK, so we start off with the mom
• 39:37
  dead on her bed. And she's surrounded by pill
• 39:40
  bottles, booze, general mess, family photos.
• 39:45
  Oh, and one of the young girls from those family photos?
• 39:48
  Yeah, we, we don't know who it is yet, but there's a kid
• 39:51
  standing there watching it all. But we're assuming it's who this
• 39:55
  now woman is that wakes up in her office to her phone ringing.
• 39:59
  She's got to come in, She's got to do an intake assessment for a
• 40:02
  man talking to himself. And she, she scooches over and
• 40:07
  she talks to her. She's like, hey, girl, I, I hear
• 40:11
  what you're saying. And I feel like maybe you're
• 40:12
  having a manic episode. Maybe we just need to.
• 40:15
  Maybe we just need to take care of you a little bit.
• 40:17
  Yeah, poor Carl. I kind of feel bad for him in
• 40:19
  this movie. I know.
• 40:20
  That's what I'm saying. I think like if we didn't have
• 40:22
  this general stereotype of like bipolar, schizophrenia, they're
• 40:28
  crazy. They're he's fucking going
• 40:30
  through here. Yeah.
• 40:30
  He's like, God, most people that have that type of opinion don't
• 40:34
  know the type of strength it takes to survive that shit.
• 40:37
  Yeah. So yeah, after she treats him,
• 40:40
  she's back in her office and she's getting ready.
• 40:42
  She leaves her office for the day, but as she walks up the
• 40:45
  door, the phone. Rings.
• 40:46
  Well, here's the thing. This is a little throwaway line
• 40:50
  that I feel like it's important to that overarching message.
• 40:52
  So he calls her up there. His name's Morgan, he's her
• 40:56
  boss, and he's the department head.
• 40:58
  And he is like, hey, did you send that patient without
• 41:00
  insurance to the residency program?
• 41:02
  And she's like, yeah, she has substance abuse and needed
• 41:06
  treatment. And he goes, well, you know, we
• 41:09
  can't do that because we lose money on it.
• 41:10
  She goes, oh, that's interesting.
• 41:11
  I didn't think we were for profit.
• 41:13
  I thought we were here to help people.
• 41:14
  And he goes, I'm on your side. I just need to know so I can get
• 41:18
  ahead of it next time. He's like, also, you haven't
• 41:21
  been here since last night, have you?
• 41:22
  And she's like, no, yeah. And so he's basically like, you
• 41:30
  need to go home. And so she's about to leave,
• 41:32
  grabs her stuff, turns off the lights, The phone rings, rings
• 41:37
  again, rings the third time she comes back in and she she
• 41:41
  answers. Yep, and it's Laura.
• 41:44
  It's a patient. She saw her professor bludgeon
• 41:47
  himself with the hammer, and she was the only witness to it,
• 41:50
  apparently. The well and they say that it's
• 41:52
  an unrelated incident. They brought her in today
• 41:55
  because she was acting as a public menace and they said she
• 41:59
  had that separate event a few days ago.
• 42:02
  Definitely unrelated. Absolutely could in no way be be
• 42:07
  related to the fact that she watched her professor stick a
• 42:09
  claw hammer in his face several times.
• 42:11
  Horrifically traumatic shit, yeah.
• 42:14
  So she she tells Bros that she sees people that nobody else
• 42:18
  can, and sometimes they're strangers and sometimes they're
• 42:21
  familiar faces. And then it smiles and the smile
• 42:26
  is scary. And then it makes things happen
• 42:28
  around her. And today, apparently, is the
• 42:31
  day that I told her that she's going to die.
• 42:34
  And when Rose, you know, kind of starts to do, kind of starts to
• 42:38
  do her, Doctor feel, she's like, you don't believe me?
• 42:40
  She's like, you're not listening to me.
• 42:41
  You are not listening to what I'm saying.
• 42:43
  And then she screams and she backs up and then she starts
• 42:46
  kind of like convulsing on the floor.
• 42:47
  So Rose calls in a 5051 patient emergency.
• 42:50
  Is that what it was? No, she uses 5051 later.
• 42:54
  She just calls for security or whatever to come get her, like
• 42:58
  restrain her. Yeah, and then, But before they
• 43:01
  can get there, Laura is smiling at Rose.
• 43:04
  And then she cuts her throat with a piece of ceramic that
• 43:06
  fell on the floor. That's another bit like I get
• 43:09
  that they needed that for you think.
• 43:11
  They have a vase in there. It was a vase, like it was
• 43:14
  knocked over. It a ceramic one like that that
• 43:17
  could so easily be turned into a weapon.
• 43:19
  Absolutely not. OK No, not in emergency psych
• 43:24
  intake it. Makes you think.
• 43:31
  So the cops are questioning Rose.
• 43:33
  They are not super sympathetic about it.
• 43:37
  The. Joel's keeping.
• 43:39
  Joel's keeping mostly quiet. Being like a peacekeeper here,
• 43:41
  he's like, so she was crazy, right?
• 43:43
  She was a fucking loony. And she was like, I think what
• 43:46
  he's trying to say is what was the say of her mental health
• 43:49
  during this? And.
• 43:50
  Then, like the other detective space, he was going like COO
• 43:53
  COO. Yeah, you guys being a fucking
• 43:55
  Dick, especially at like a mental health hospital.
• 43:57
  Like don't bring that attitude. Rose gets home.
• 44:01
  Erica's happy to see her. That's nice.
• 44:04
  We're gonna. We're gonna hold on to, to Mr.
• 44:07
  Mustache while we can. She showers, she pours herself
• 44:11
  some wine in a stainless glass 'cause she's a modern lady.
• 44:15
  And then she sees Laura smiling in the shadows and she is
• 44:21
  freaked out. And then a train arrives really
• 44:23
  fast 'cause that's his thing. And she drops her glass and he's
• 44:27
  like, whoa, are you OK? And she's like, oh, you know, I
• 44:32
  had a patient die in front of me today.
• 44:34
  And then he hugs her and he offers to skip dinner.
• 44:38
  And she's like, no, no, they already got a.
• 44:40
  Babysitter, I think he really was like, this is my out right
• 44:43
  here. You don't have to go see Holly
• 44:45
  and Greg. Let's like, let's just stay
• 44:46
  home. Let's not go out and go to
• 44:48
  dinner. And that's what I mean, Like,
• 44:49
  he's kind of like halfway sympathetic, but it's because he
• 44:52
  knows that Rose is doing all of the emotional work for herself,
• 44:55
  so he doesn't really have to do any of that heavy lifting in
• 44:58
  their relationship. Like he's like, oh, man, I'm
• 45:00
  really sorry. Oh, hey, hey, what if I skip
• 45:03
  dinner? That's more for me than it is
• 45:05
  for you. But what if I skip dinner?
• 45:06
  I think that there's nothing bad with that.
• 45:08
  I don't think he was doing a bad job here.
• 45:10
  I think he was doing good. I think he was.
• 45:12
  Maybe I'm a bad husband, but I don't know.
• 45:14
  I thought that he wasn't doing the.
• 45:15
  Worst, I don't think he would do that, and I think if you did
• 45:17
  something like that, I'd call you out on it.
• 45:19
  What, you like break a glass and you're like a little bit zoned
• 45:22
  out after telling me that you saw somebody die in front of
• 45:25
  you? I'm like, OK, do you maybe not
• 45:26
  want to go to dinner tonight? You know, like I, I don't think
• 45:30
  that that's. If you thought I wouldn't want
• 45:32
  to see my sister. Well, I don't.
• 45:35
  Well, I don't know. It's a different family dynamic
• 45:37
  here. You know what I mean?
• 45:38
  I think, I think that the relationship between the two is
• 45:42
  strained and I think that that's apparent here.
• 45:45
  Yeah, they get we flat, we pan to dinner, and Holly is talking
• 45:50
  about just how busy she is with Jackson's schedule, her pilot,
• 45:54
  like she doesn't have time for Pilates anymore.
• 45:56
  Oh my God. Oh my God.
• 45:57
  Jesus. And she's just, she's just kind
• 46:00
  of going on and on. And then she asked for Rose.
• 46:02
  We'll be at the birthday party. And she's like, yeah, it's like,
• 46:06
  I've told you about this a million times.
• 46:08
  It's on Saturday. She goes, I have to work.
• 46:10
  And she goes, who works on a Saturday?
• 46:11
  And she goes, people that work at hospitals, Holly, that's how
• 46:15
  hospitals work. And then they're like, well, you
• 46:18
  should quit that. Open a private practice, get
• 46:21
  that money. Also, can we sell moms to
• 46:23
  Lapidated House and maybe get some money for that too?
• 46:26
  Sell the land. They had like, I think that they
• 46:30
  brought them out to dinner just to talk about this.
• 46:32
  Yeah, like maybe they do this like once every few months.
• 46:35
  Yeah, maybe that's why he's like, well, let's get out of
• 46:37
  this dinner. This, you're out right here.
• 46:38
  You like, somebody killed themselves right in front of
• 46:40
  you. You've got it.
• 46:42
  All right, so we cut to Rose at work the next day.
• 46:44
  She's got a smelly face mug. No, I didn't.
• 46:47
  Catch that? I've been looking for like
• 46:48
  little things throughout this watch of the differences of the
• 46:52
  smile, and that one was probably my favorite little one.
• 46:54
  That's cool, little :). Yeah, she asks one of the nurses
• 46:59
  there for information on War's previous incident.
• 47:03
  And Joel is there and he's like, oh, it's not a call nearby.
• 47:06
  So I thought I'd come here, 'cause nobody tracks what I do
• 47:09
  on my work day. And I just wanted to apologize
• 47:13
  for things being awkward yesterday.
• 47:15
  And she was like, why are you here?
• 47:17
  And he goes, well, 'cause I'm a detective and it's my job.
• 47:20
  She goes, no, why are you here now?
• 47:21
  This is not your job. You just said that you were on a
• 47:23
  call nearby. Yeah, there's history between
• 47:26
  the two of them. So she is reading Laura's
• 47:28
  witness statement in her office and then Holly calls her to
• 47:32
  apologize and her and Rose kind of talk back and forth and she's
• 47:37
  she tells her that Jackson's really into electric model
• 47:40
  trains right now. So, you know, that's something
• 47:43
  to consider. She passes Carl's room.
• 47:48
  Carl's got a creepy smile here. Yeah, she's.
• 47:50
  Sitting on his bed at the edge of the bed, just smiling into
• 47:53
  the hallway. And she goes in to check on him
• 47:55
  because she thinks maybe he's like, catatonic or having an
• 47:58
  absent seizure or something. And then he goes, you're going
• 48:00
  to die. You're going to die.
• 48:03
  You're going to die. He's got the voice of a
• 48:05
  comedian. Yeah, and then she calls for
• 48:08
  help restraining him. And man, those aids like boom.
• 48:14
  I've been looking for a reason. To get fucking Carl.
• 48:15
  He keeps telling me I'm going to die.
• 48:17
  I'm not going to die, Carl. Did they get there and Carl is
• 48:21
  just like. He's laying.
• 48:22
  On his bed, chilling. Yeah.
• 48:24
  So that was like a delusion, right?
• 48:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that was the monster
• 48:28
  getting to her. Morgan calls into the office.
• 48:30
  Like what the fuck was that about?
• 48:31
  Carl has never hurt anybody. She's like, you've been treating
• 48:34
  Carl. He's like you've been treating
• 48:36
  Carl for years and he's not violent, whatever.
• 48:40
  He's like, you need to take a paid week off and then he says
• 48:44
  something that I think more people and take notice of.
• 48:46
  You can't take care of other people if you're not taking care
• 48:48
  of yourself. True, very true.
• 48:51
  And it it's something that I am working really hard on my own
• 48:54
  life to do. But I'm glad that he makes her
• 48:59
  take this week minimum. Wish he would do more but
• 49:02
  probably can't spare her for more than a week.
• 49:05
  So like after this right here, I mistook what was happening here
• 49:08
  because like we cut to her stopping at a hobby store
• 49:10
  getting a train. Like she's going to take up like
• 49:12
  painting model trains. Good for her, good for you,
• 49:14
  Rose. And then like we cut to her back
• 49:17
  at her house wrapping up in the birthday and like, oh, it's just
• 49:19
  for a little fucking traumatized nephew over here.
• 49:23
  I love that your idea of how the second-half of this movie goes
• 49:27
  is that Rose just goes really into model trains.
• 49:30
  You know, it could have been the white.
• 49:32
  It could have really helped right here.
• 49:35
  So she is, she's drinking some wine, and she's grabbing it.
• 49:38
  And then her security alarm goes off.
• 49:40
  She drops her glass and she grabs some scissors, and she's
• 49:43
  checking the door. The front door is fine.
• 49:44
  So she deactivates the alarm. When she gets back in the living
• 49:47
  room, uh oh. That door is open.
• 49:49
  Yeah. She gets a call from the
• 49:51
  security company and, you know, they're checking to see if she's
• 49:54
  alone in the house. And she's like, I think so.
• 49:56
  And that's when the, the the woman operator says, Are you
• 50:02
  sure? Are you sure you didn't let
• 50:04
  anything in? And then the phone rings again.
• 50:07
  No. She's like, look behind you.
• 50:08
  And she, like, slowly turns behind her.
• 50:10
  And it's the phone. They're, like, still on the
• 50:12
  stand. Yeah.
• 50:14
  And it rings again, and then she answers it and it's the
• 50:16
  dispatch. But this time, it's the real
• 50:18
  deal. Yeah, so the cops get there,
• 50:22
  they do a sweep and it's all clear and they are fairly
• 50:25
  dismissive. Everything like it's clear lady
• 50:28
  in like there have been plenty of shows that we've watched,
• 50:33
  like true crime stuff where, you know, the cops come and they do
• 50:37
  a sweep, but it's not thorough enough.
• 50:39
  And the stalker person is like, tucked right there, tucked right
• 50:43
  away. Exhibit A Halloween H2O Yeah,
• 50:46
  Joseph Gordon Levin did the sweep of the house and Michael
• 50:48
  Myers is still there. He died.
• 50:51
  And then, you know, Trevor pulls up all this is happening, and
• 50:55
  he's kind of like, hey. What's up?
• 50:58
  He stumbled on like, there were like 10 fucking cop cars outside
• 51:01
  of his house. Crime scene.
• 51:03
  Yeah. And he's a little bit too chill
• 51:04
  about it here. He's like, yeah.
• 51:05
  So like, what's happening here? Like what's going on?
• 51:08
  Hey, is this a party? Yeah, and she's like.
• 51:13
  The alarm went off and he goes, why was it set?
• 51:15
  And she was like, cuz I live in the middle of nowhere and it's
• 51:17
  scary. All right?
• 51:18
  No, she she actually says, I don't remember setting it.
• 51:23
  Yeah, which I don't think that's too wide.
• 51:26
  Like people do stuff out of muscle memory.
• 51:27
  I do that all the time. I walk you out of the house,
• 51:29
  yes. You do.
• 51:31
  At least once a week I'm locked out of the house.
• 51:33
  If we had a security system, I would lock you out of the house
• 51:35
  and have security on your apps. Every day.
• 51:37
  Yeah, You said that I would be in Trevor's position for sure at
• 51:40
  some point. Like I'd be like, why are all
• 51:42
  these cops here? Yeah.
• 51:43
  Oh, and mustache is missing. Yeah, on top of it, everything,
• 51:47
  she can't find her Kitty cat and she's so like, she can't even
• 51:49
  listen to Trevor talk about whatever he's talking about.
• 51:52
  She's like, have you seen mustache?
• 51:53
  She's not coming for food. Yeah, I guess shots of her like
• 51:56
  doing a little like Jingle some food outside calling his name
• 51:59
  right he come. She comes in, he goes.
• 52:02
  Did you break another glass? Yeah.
• 52:06
  So Rose wakes from her mom nightmare once again and she
• 52:10
  listens to the it's the middle of the night.
• 52:13
  So she listens to the interview tape with Laura and she hears
• 52:17
  something being whispered. So she goes back several times
• 52:19
  to listen to it and it's her name being whispered.
• 52:22
  And that's where we get that jump scare that you were
• 52:23
  mentioning before. And she freaks out.
• 52:27
  She grabs some some scissors from the butcher block on their
• 52:31
  counter and Trevor comes out and he's like trying to calm her
• 52:34
  down but she's it. We don't even see how She
• 52:37
  eventually calms down, but she's like freaked out.
• 52:39
  Yeah, so the next day we see she's meeting with her
• 52:43
  therapist. She she draw like, she does this
• 52:50
  thing where she's, like, basically diagnosing herself.
• 52:52
  She's pulling all of the, like, therapy, speaking on herself.
• 52:55
  She's like, I understand I witnessed this suicide, and I
• 52:59
  drew parallels to my mother's own suicide.
• 53:01
  But what I'm really here for is a prescription for Risperdal.
• 53:06
  And her therapist is like, what? And she's like, yeah.
• 53:10
  Let's not do with that. She was like, no, it's just like
• 53:13
  I'm seeing things, but it's no big deal.
• 53:14
  It's no big deal. It's just, it's just stress.
• 53:16
  It's just stress induced and she's like, let's maybe schedule
• 53:20
  some more appointments, Let's start doing this regularly again
• 53:23
  and talking about things. Let's not self diagnose.
• 53:25
  How's that sound? So let's wait at least a week
• 53:28
  until we give you any of them. Yeah, and she's like, she's
• 53:31
  like, honestly, you don't like sitting here talking to you?
• 53:33
  You don't seem psychotic. No.
• 53:35
  So. So we're now at the nephew's
• 53:38
  birthday party. He is opening his presents and
• 53:42
  it's time to open Roses Presents and he finds Mustache's body
• 53:47
  inside the present. This is such a hard scene to
• 53:50
  watch because Rose immediately like, loses it because she
• 53:55
  realizes that she's lost her cat.
• 53:56
  She realizes that she is completely losing her grip.
• 54:00
  Yeah, and now she thinks everybody thinks that she's a
• 54:02
  cat killer. Yeah.
• 54:03
  And like puts it in her nephew's present.
• 54:06
  And she's so like, she's so distraught at both of these
• 54:09
  things happening at once and getting this judgement from
• 54:11
  people who don't understand. She backs up and falls into a
• 54:13
  glass table and then like her arms are just tore up.
• 54:17
  That's excessive. The fact that they're like, I'm
• 54:19
  going to take this character, I'm going to make her do this
• 54:21
  and she's going to fall through a glass table like.
• 54:24
  Damn, man, this guy said. Yeah, Parker Finn said.
• 54:26
  Fuck Rose. Fuck this girl man.
• 54:29
  I bet he watched Titanic growing up and he was like after all
• 54:35
  that, after all that, that old bitch is just going to throw
• 54:38
  that moment into the ocean. Fuck.
• 54:40
  Rose. Yeah, that's Rose we.
• 54:41
  Never should have been there. I don't know his name in the
• 54:45
  movie. Jack.
• 54:49
  Jack Yeah. OK, We got Joel.
• 54:52
  We'll take it. Jack could be a nickname for
• 54:56
  Joel. Sure, I'll allow it.
• 54:58
  It's a nickname for John, and that makes less sense.
• 55:01
  I didn't. I've never heard that it is so.
• 55:05
  She also sees like a lady smiling at her there.
• 55:08
  One of the moms, yeah, yeah. So Morgan comes to check on Rose
• 55:12
  while she's in the ER and he's like I like him as a boss cuz he
• 55:16
  like he seems like he actually genuinely cares about her as a
• 55:19
  person. That's so kind of crazy that the
• 55:21
  boss comes out to check on an employee in the emergency room,
• 55:25
  even if they're not like, you know, they, they don't seem to
• 55:29
  be like friends outside of work. Yeah, but she's at work.
• 55:33
  She's there as a patient. No, it's the same hospital.
• 55:36
  No, I thought she was at like the ER or something because she
• 55:38
  fell through a table. No, she works in the ER at the
• 55:40
  hospital, just like the psych unit.
• 55:43
  I thought it was like its own mental hospital.
• 55:45
  OK, well, that's different. Yeah.
• 55:46
  OK, OK. Yeah, if you like, look, when
• 55:49
  they're like in the hospital parking lot later, you can see
• 55:52
  signs for like general ER psych eval, like things like that.
• 55:57
  OK, well, she's there. She sees Trevor and Holly
• 56:00
  arguing out in the hallway. Yeah.
• 56:03
  And Morgan is like, hey, are you OK?
• 56:05
  I just want to check on you. And she starts to say something
• 56:07
  and she goes fine. Yep.
• 56:10
  So in the car ride back to home, she's with Trevor and she tells
• 56:14
  Trevor pretty much everything that she's experiencing and he
• 56:18
  does not take it well. Yeah, he's like, I can't do
• 56:21
  this. Yep, he's like you have
• 56:22
  inherited your parents mental illness.
• 56:25
  I can't do that. I can't be hitched to that type
• 56:28
  of shit. Shit, man.
• 56:30
  And then we cut to him sleeping on the couch and Rose is in her
• 56:34
  bed and she's looking up the location of the college that the
• 56:37
  professor that killed himself. Professor Muniz Munoz Munoz.
• 56:43
  And she's she tries to go to sleep, but then like, it's just
• 56:46
  like her mom is there in the hallway talking that or the
• 56:48
  entire time. So she visits the late Professor
• 56:52
  Muniz's wife, who talks about how he had changes right before
• 56:57
  his death. And she shows him, she shows her
• 57:01
  his studio where he did like a lot of drawings and paintings of
• 57:04
  what it was he was seeing, which were like all of the different
• 57:08
  demon iterations, one of them being his brother, who had died
• 57:11
  several years beforehand. And, you know, she, she said
• 57:16
  that Gabrielle saw someone kill herself.
• 57:20
  And this gets Rose's attention and she's like, wait, what
• 57:22
  happened? Like, I need to know everything.
• 57:23
  And then as soon as she realizes that Rose believes that all of
• 57:28
  this is real and not that Gabrielle was just really sick,
• 57:31
  like she told her to get the fuck out of her house.
• 57:33
  Yeah, she she was under like, the guise of like being a
• 57:36
  reporter. Or something like that.
• 57:37
  Yeah. So Rose pays a visit to Jewel
• 57:40
  and asked him to look up other reports on Munez.
• 57:45
  And there was one from a week before his death where he was a
• 57:48
  witness to a woman named Angela Powell who committed suicide.
• 57:54
  Angela Powell, if you guys haven't seen this movie, she
• 57:58
  also saw somebody else commit suicide.
• 58:00
  And they actually have the security camera footage of what
• 58:05
  happened. And this dude at a gas station,
• 58:07
  like, you see him, he's just like doing normal gas station
• 58:10
  things. Then all of a sudden he's like
• 58:12
  and he goes over to like a landscaping truck and takes out
• 58:14
  some head shears and like looks at Angela and he's like, Hey,
• 58:18
  Angela, I don't know your name, but we're in Jersey.
• 58:20
  There's a good chance that you're Angela.
• 58:22
  Hey, Angela, Angela Baker. And then I just Yep, Yep.
• 58:29
  So she rose astral for printouts and he's like, what?
• 58:35
  He's, you know, the Nacho, the Nacho skit.
• 58:39
  And I think you should leave. Like, that's Joel the whole
• 58:41
  time. Yeah.
• 58:42
  What? What?
• 58:44
  Yeah, he's like looking at further cases there too.
• 58:47
  And he finds the image of one of them.
• 58:50
  I think it was that woman's murder or suicide.
• 58:53
  And she like insists, so like look at it and she basically
• 58:57
  just like gouched her eyes out and.
• 58:59
  Shit, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty gnarly.
• 59:01
  So at home, Trevor's there with the therapist and she fights
• 59:05
  with him and calls him on his shit.
• 59:08
  And then she's like, I'm going to go talk to Holly, go talk to
• 59:11
  my sister. That would be better, Yeah.
• 59:13
  That would be a much better conversation.
• 59:14
  She's like, it's way unethical for you to just show up here.
• 59:18
  Doctor. Therapist.
• 59:19
  I didn't write down her therapist's name.
• 59:21
  Northcutt. Something like that.
• 59:23
  Northcott. OK.
• 59:25
  It's just like, it's way unprofessional for you to be
• 59:27
  here. Trevor, we're done.
• 59:29
  Is that really like a bad thing? Like to like have like a
• 59:32
  intervention type thing. Like my wife is like really or
• 59:35
  my fiance is like really having some crazy psychotic episodes.
• 59:41
  And I think that I need somebody that's better equipped to deal
• 59:44
  with this present. I don't know.
• 59:46
  I didn't. I never finished my counseling
• 59:47
  degree, so I don't know if that would cross the ethical
• 59:50
  boundaries. I just I think to.
• 59:51
  Me, I think it's iffy. I think that that's probably a
• 59:54
  good way to handle that. As somebody that's not not a
• 59:58
  psychiatrist, I'm sorry. So she gets to Holly's house and
• 1:00:04
  she is dude. She is doing a shit job of
• 1:00:07
  explaining everything. But she, I mean, she's being
• 1:00:09
  upfront about it all. She's just sounding like she,
• 1:00:12
  you know? Because she's starting in the
• 1:00:14
  middle. She's like all of these people
• 1:00:15
  have seen each other kill each other or kill themselves and
• 1:00:18
  she. Started off with Holly's like
• 1:00:19
  I'm cursed. Yeah, I'm cursed.
• 1:00:21
  And they're like, yeah, that's you don't start there.
• 1:00:24
  Like you, you slow build. Yeah, you.
• 1:00:26
  You do The story as we have watched it unfold in the movie.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like start from.
• 1:00:32
  Seeing one but Holly, she she's explaining the what what the
• 1:00:40
  fuck is this? Oh, she's explaining the trail
• 1:00:42
  to Holly and Holly is like you are breaking down.
• 1:00:45
  You are having the exact same kind of breakdown that mom had
• 1:00:49
  and she's like I can't be around you like this.
• 1:00:53
  I had to get away from mom. I cannot be around this type of
• 1:00:56
  behavior and I will not let you be around Jackson with this type
• 1:00:59
  of behavior. Do you realize how messed up he
• 1:01:01
  is? He's traumatized for life
• 1:01:04
  because of that fucking stunt that you pulled.
• 1:01:06
  So Rose goes back to her car and she's sitting there trying to
• 1:01:10
  collect herself, and Holly comes back out and then it's not
• 1:01:15
  really Holly. It does this.
• 1:01:18
  It kind of looks like a little clown guy over there with his
• 1:01:20
  broken neck. That's essentially what happens.
• 1:01:24
  There's a scare that we saw in a movie on Shutter.
• 1:01:28
  It's a Shutter exclusive, I can't remember the name of it
• 1:01:30
  but it was that Spanish horror movie which I had like ghosts in
• 1:01:35
  it too that had a very similar jump scare.
• 1:01:37
  Was this right here? No, not possession.
• 1:01:41
  You know what I'm talking. About yes.
• 1:01:42
  Where like the like woman runs to the car with her head upside
• 1:01:45
  down just like this. Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah, OK. Like I, I just think of that
• 1:01:49
  every time I see this scene. What?
• 1:01:51
  I don't know the. Movie that's going to drive me
• 1:01:52
  crazy that I can't think of the name.
• 1:01:53
  It's something that I I feel like could easily be confused
• 1:01:56
  for another. Movie yes it's no, because it
• 1:01:58
  does have a very similar name to another movie and that's why oh
• 1:02:01
  I. Almost got it.
• 1:02:04
  Is it? No, it's not the terrified.
• 1:02:08
  No, yeah, you're right. Terrified.
• 1:02:09
  OK, OK. That's.
• 1:02:10
  What it's called that's. I'm glad that you remember that.
• 1:02:13
  I was like, no, because it was. It's very similar to something
• 1:02:15
  of a completely different town. Well anyways, she has a
• 1:02:20
  breakdown because of this and poor old nephew sees it from his
• 1:02:23
  bedroom up there. I don't know why, but every time
• 1:02:26
  I see this kid on the screen I just think Nicolas.
• 1:02:29
  He has Nicolas. He's got Nicolas energy.
• 1:02:32
  Nicolas. Nicolas.
• 1:02:37
  So Joel calls her and he has found 20 related cases, one of a
• 1:02:42
  guy who killed to survive. Yes, and that was the only
• 1:02:46
  change in the pattern. But right after that, it went
• 1:02:50
  back to how it was. And she was like, cool, let's go
• 1:02:53
  talk to this guy. And so he takes her to the
• 1:02:56
  prison and basically, like, does a little cop to cop, like, hey,
• 1:03:01
  we're just going to, like, gently violate his rights.
• 1:03:05
  Also on the strip up this is where Joe kind of like she tells
• 1:03:09
  Joe everything and he kind of accepts it and they mention like
• 1:03:13
  none of them have survived past a week and Rose is currently on
• 1:03:17
  day 4. Yeah, I don't know how much he
• 1:03:19
  like, fully believes believes, but he thinks something's going
• 1:03:21
  on for sure. Yeah, he thinks it's like a cult
• 1:03:23
  type thing. Probably, yes.
• 1:03:24
  Like he's open to something happening.
• 1:03:27
  Not sure about the curse part, but like, he's like something
• 1:03:30
  fishy is happening. Yeah.
• 1:03:31
  Something's rotten in the state of Denmark.
• 1:03:34
  Yeah. All right, so yeah, now at the
• 1:03:38
  prison. Yes, yeah, Cop to cop.
• 1:03:41
  They're like, we can violate his rights for about 10 minutes.
• 1:03:44
  That's all we can do. So they get back there and the
• 1:03:48
  guy's like, listen, I will talk to Rose and Rose alone.
• 1:03:50
  Get the cop out of here. Respect, yeah.
• 1:03:54
  And he's like, listen, what you got to do is you just got to
• 1:03:56
  kill. You got to kill somebody.
• 1:04:00
  And it's got to be in front of somebody else.
• 1:04:01
  It's got to be as fucked up as possible.
• 1:04:03
  And Rose has told him that this was for a patient of hers.
• 1:04:06
  Yeah, he's like, it feeds off of trauma.
• 1:04:09
  So you have to cause trauma on somebody else.
• 1:04:11
  Somebody else has to be present. And he starts giving all like
• 1:04:14
  ideas of how to make it as fucked up as possible.
• 1:04:17
  And she's like, I can't kill somebody.
• 1:04:18
  And he goes, it's you. Why the fuck are you here?
• 1:04:22
  I got away from it. You need to get away from me.
• 1:04:24
  I get it. Turn around.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah. And just walk away.
• 1:04:27
  You don't have to look at it here.
• 1:04:28
  If you don't look at it, you don't see it.
• 1:04:30
  You don't get affected. Well, yeah.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah, So she's back at home. No, I think it's.
• 1:04:41
  So this is, it ends with him like yelling at her, screaming
• 1:04:44
  at her guards, running in. And Joel asked what happened.
• 1:04:47
  And Rosa's like nothing. And I just think that's
• 1:04:50
  important thematically for Rosa's character.
• 1:04:53
  Like all this kind of shit happens and she just will not
• 1:04:57
  share that with anybody. And the one time she does when
• 1:05:00
  she's talking about this curse, nobody believes her.
• 1:05:03
  And it's just important to note. OK, Yeah.
• 1:05:06
  So yeah, she gets home, she gets a call from Doctor Northcott and
• 1:05:10
  she gets a text from Trevor and she's kind of ghosting them
• 1:05:12
  both. But then the doc rings her
• 1:05:15
  doorbell and was like, hey, kind of a not cool stunt I pulled
• 1:05:20
  before. But I do need to come in and
• 1:05:23
  have you convince me you're not a danger because you and I both
• 1:05:26
  know how mandatory reporting works, even in Jersey.
• 1:05:29
  And so she's like, OK, fine, come on in.
• 1:05:33
  And she says basically that she feels like it was a mistake to
• 1:05:37
  confide in Trevor and that she should have known he wouldn't
• 1:05:39
  believe her. And then, interestingly, she
• 1:05:43
  gets a call from Doctor Northcott.
• 1:05:45
  I like that the the doctor is like, well it's just like a
• 1:05:49
  blank phone. Call.
• 1:05:49
  Yeah, it's just ringing. And she's like, don't you want
• 1:05:51
  to answer that? You should probably get that.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah. And then she does, and it's Dr.
• 1:05:56
  N's guys like, yeah. So like, I'm really sorry.
• 1:05:59
  And just basically like the conversation from before that
• 1:06:02
  fucking smile on that. Oh my God.
• 1:06:04
  It's so fucking creepy. Man, that's one thing.
• 1:06:09
  I think that if they would have maybe undone the like demon
• 1:06:14
  voice, I feel like the demon voice is a little bit too much.
• 1:06:17
  It's almost borderline truth or dare ish right there, yeah.
• 1:06:22
  So Rose goes to the hospital with a knife up her sleeve.
• 1:06:27
  Literally. Yeah, literally up her sleeve.
• 1:06:29
  And she goes to Carl's room. Why Carl?
• 1:06:32
  Why, Carl? I don't fucking know.
• 1:06:33
  Like there could be like more violent people there.
• 1:06:37
  Probably. She wanted somebody that
• 1:06:38
  wouldn't fight back, basically. Yeah, well, and he starts
• 1:06:41
  panicking, and Morgan comes by and he's like, hey, you're not
• 1:06:45
  supposed to be here right now. And then she makes sure that
• 1:06:47
  he's looking. And then she stabs Carl, and
• 1:06:50
  Carl's like, why? And Morgan's like, why?
• 1:06:53
  And then they start like ripping themselves open.
• 1:06:56
  Carl's recycled. Was Carl a demon too?
• 1:06:58
  I think Carl's actually. I think she actually killed
• 1:07:00
  Carl, didn't she? No, because she never actually
• 1:07:02
  got out of her car. Oh yeah, you're right.
• 1:07:04
  Yeah. And then Morgan, like, rips his
• 1:07:06
  face off. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:08
  She wakes up in her car, and the real Morgan is there, and he's
• 1:07:10
  like, hey, are you OK? Seize the knife in the front
• 1:07:14
  seats. Like, how about you come in with
• 1:07:16
  me? Yeah.
• 1:07:16
  Like. And he, like, really tries to do
• 1:07:18
  it in a way where he's like. It's pretty obvious he panicked
• 1:07:20
  a little bit. Yeah, Come in here.
• 1:07:22
  Come, come hang out. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:07:23
  We want you to go, but actually come here.
• 1:07:25
  Come stay. And she drives off, and he is
• 1:07:27
  calling in to the cops, like, as she's driving off.
• 1:07:30
  Yeah. And she goes to because she
• 1:07:32
  realizes she has an epiphany in this moment that she just can't
• 1:07:35
  have any witnesses around her. Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  So she goes to the source of all her trauma, which will surely
• 1:07:40
  not feed into the trauma demon. And she goes to her mom's house.
• 1:07:46
  Joel calls when she gets there. And he's like, hey, there is an
• 1:07:49
  APB out on you, so what's up? And she's like, I have to be
• 1:07:55
  alone. And then I won't pass it down
• 1:07:57
  the chain. And I'm not going to tell you
• 1:07:58
  where I'm going. And fortunately for me, we had a
• 1:08:03
  past relationship. And I'm denying the fact that I
• 1:08:06
  ever got closer to you than I've gotten to anybody else.
• 1:08:08
  So you won't be able to figure out where I went.
• 1:08:12
  Sure. So she flashes back to her mom's
• 1:08:18
  suicide and like what you said before her closing the door on
• 1:08:22
  her mom thinking that it's another one of her mom over
• 1:08:26
  dramatizing. I think that she made a
• 1:08:28
  conscious decision. She even admits to it.
• 1:08:30
  You're like, I let you die because I was scared of you.
• 1:08:34
  That's what she says. I just don't think it was that
• 1:08:38
  simple, especially for her at that age.
• 1:08:41
  Maybe we may be, but the. But The thing is, we'll never
• 1:08:44
  know. And, and the point, the point is
• 1:08:46
  that Rose puts all of that blame on herself either way.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah, that's the main point. That's why she does what she
• 1:08:52
  does for a living. She finds a kerosene Lantern and
• 1:08:56
  battens the hatches and of course the thing appears and it
• 1:09:01
  presents as her mom crying on the bed, accusing her of not
• 1:09:05
  calling for help and and she says that her mind is so
• 1:09:10
  inviting and then the thing grows and starts following her
• 1:09:16
  through the house. Mommy monster's scary.
• 1:09:18
  Yeah, and she says you can't escape your own mind.
• 1:09:21
  And then Rose is like, well, neither can you.
• 1:09:25
  Yeah, bashes mommy monster in the head with a Lantern and this
• 1:09:30
  ignites mommy monster and just basically.
• 1:09:32
  I am not loving the phrase mommy monster.
• 1:09:37
  I love that title. I am uncomfortable.
• 1:09:39
  So mommy monster. Anyways, she just goes up in
• 1:09:42
  flames and she burns to death and Rose exits the house and the
• 1:09:47
  house burns and she thinks she's.
• 1:09:49
  Done it. All we are missing to know that
• 1:09:52
  this is a false happy ending is the.
• 1:09:56
  Just like it. Yeah.
• 1:10:00
  Yeah. She drives home and she thinks
• 1:10:03
  that she's done it. She doesn't drive home, she
• 1:10:05
  drives to Joel's. Apartment.
• 1:10:06
  Oh yeah, she drives to Joel. She's like, listen, you're the
• 1:10:08
  only person I've ever been honest with, and that's really
• 1:10:10
  cool, but I don't like having my walls down.
• 1:10:12
  So I was kind of a shit to you and I'm really sorry about that.
• 1:10:15
  I'm sorry for all of the emotional labor I've put on you
• 1:10:17
  the past few days. And I'm sorry that I'm about to
• 1:10:18
  ask this, but can I sleep here? And also, will you watch me fall
• 1:10:22
  asleep? He's like, yes, he's.
• 1:10:24
  Like this is all I've ever wanted, yes.
• 1:10:26
  Yes, yes. And one day.
• 1:10:29
  Off. Then she realizes that she's
• 1:10:34
  still in the front yard of her house.
• 1:10:36
  Yeah, yeah. Well, Joel turns into.
• 1:10:38
  The Smile Demon and. Chases her out of the door and
• 1:10:40
  she walks out of Joel's door and then walks out of the childhood
• 1:10:45
  home instead. And holy shit, that's a mindful.
• 1:10:49
  That's got to be so deflating. And it's still standing.
• 1:10:52
  It hasn't burnt down like she thought it had.
• 1:10:54
  And Joel arrives and he's actually real.
• 1:10:57
  He is for really real. And she's like, Oh my God, you
• 1:11:01
  can't be here. And she locks him out and the
• 1:11:04
  thing comes for her and mommy. Monster mommy Monster comes
• 1:11:09
  back. Mommy Monster stops me at Mommy
• 1:11:11
  Monster because it peels back the skin and is just like smiles
• 1:11:15
  all the way down. Oh yeah, yeah, it's creepy.
• 1:11:18
  Yeah, you know how like sharks have rows and rows and rows of
• 1:11:20
  teeth you've. Got rows and rows of face.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like to imagine each face is
• 1:11:26
  like a face of one of the ones that's absorbed that'd.
• 1:11:29
  Be interesting. That's how I picture it.
• 1:11:31
  Maybe we need to when we watch the second one.
• 1:11:34
  Like we need to compare the number of mouths.
• 1:11:37
  It's a bigger creature, Yeah, by the time it's in the second.
• 1:11:40
  One I want to count. There should be at least 19
• 1:11:43
  mouths in this one. In this one, yeah.
• 1:11:45
  And we need to count how many are in Smile too.
• 1:11:48
  OK, that's going to be a tough task.
• 1:11:50
  It's not really. We just have to like pause it
• 1:11:52
  and count. I understand you're an
• 1:11:53
  accountant and so that might be tricky for you, but I know how
• 1:11:56
  to count at least to 20. I thank God one of those stuffs
• 1:12:00
  anyways. The The demon crawls into Rose's
• 1:12:03
  mouth at this. Point does it crawl in and does
• 1:12:06
  it like step in? It crawls.
• 1:12:07
  In OK like pries open. For some reason I'm picturing it
• 1:12:11
  like prying in and then like. Nothing, that's how.
• 1:12:15
  That's how I would do it if I was a demon.
• 1:12:16
  Well, that's OK. That's how I put on a dress and
• 1:12:20
  then where you know what I mean, like.
• 1:12:22
  Well, it's the same thing I guess.
• 1:12:23
  Yeah, well, Joel busts down the door and he runs in looking for
• 1:12:28
  Rose. Yeah, so we've explained how
• 1:12:29
  Rose actually dies, but what Joel sees because he can't see
• 1:12:33
  the monster yet. I think this is how Rose
• 1:12:36
  actually dies. She just sees possessed and.
• 1:12:39
  Stuff. Yeah, we saw the possession.
• 1:12:40
  Yeah, that's right. And he busts in and he sees Rose
• 1:12:43
  covered in kerosene and with the box matches.
• 1:12:48
  And she lights herself on fire and he knows.
• 1:12:51
  It's like it's happening to me right now.
• 1:12:53
  He knows that he is fucked. I like how it ends not on a
• 1:12:57
  direct shot of Rose burning, but on.
• 1:13:00
  I like just. Watching him and watching.
• 1:13:01
  It yeah. And his, like face, yeah, during
• 1:13:04
  the entire time, he's like, God, this person is dying in front of
• 1:13:08
  me. But also this means that I'm in
• 1:13:10
  some shit. Yeah, it's it's really good.
• 1:13:14
  It's really good acting on his. Part Yeah, he did a great job.
• 1:13:17
  They all did a great. Job Yeah, This this is a movie.
• 1:13:19
  There's no weak performance. And that's how the movie ends.
• 1:13:25
  Dude, you know what? You're right 9.5.
• 1:13:28
  OK well my change would be the tone down the jump scare and
• 1:13:34
  tone down the demon voice. Make it like a real person ish.
• 1:13:39
  I think that that's more sinister than fake demon filters
• 1:13:42
  thrown on. Make the emergency psych eval
• 1:13:46
  intake room realistic. OK, OK, I was gonna say it's
• 1:13:52
  really only specific to people like you, but you know, this is
• 1:13:55
  your input here, so it's valid. But yeah, and like I said with
• 1:14:00
  this movie, this feels like a movie for people who can really
• 1:14:03
  get it. And I feel like those details
• 1:14:05
  matter. That's true.
• 1:14:06
  That's true. So Talia was, she was really
• 1:14:11
  fucked up by this movie. This scared her so bad.
• 1:14:15
  She was barking, she was licking between us.
• 1:14:18
  She went and she was like, I need my my emotional support fan
• 1:14:21
  right now. And she when the evil doc came
• 1:14:27
  to the house, Talia started barking.
• 1:14:29
  Yeah, she knew it was she. Did she?
• 1:14:31
  Knew she was like barking at the whole time.
• 1:14:32
  She was like Rose. Don't let her in.
• 1:14:34
  Well, yellow is one of the few colors she can see.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah. So she's like.
• 1:14:38
  Maybe she did catch it. Maybe she's like.
• 1:14:40
  Maybe. Right.
• 1:14:41
  So I think Talia, I think Talia is gonna have this 10.
• 1:14:44
  She was she. Was very.
• 1:14:45
  She was locked in, yeah. So his ultimate warrior?
• 1:14:48
  I mean, do we need to say it's fucking mommy monster?
• 1:14:54
  That's because that's how Zoey acts when she wants to be fed in
• 1:14:57
  the morning. Yeah, she like.
• 1:14:58
  She's a mommy monster. She, like, gets up in your face
• 1:15:01
  and, you know, pins you down. It's like all right, feed me.
• 1:15:03
  Yeah. Except in this case, it gets in
• 1:15:06
  the mouth, but she wants you to put something in her mouth.
• 1:15:09
  Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 1:15:11
  Who did you relate to? I hate to say it, but I feel
• 1:15:15
  like I related to Rose in a lot of ways, you know, take took my
• 1:15:19
  trauma and tried to turn that into a couple different
• 1:15:22
  psychology degrees. I have a real bad habit of
• 1:15:26
  saying I'm OK when I'm not OK. Yeah, you know, there's, there's
• 1:15:31
  unfortunate amount of things I can relate to.
• 1:15:34
  I don't have a cat named Mustache, but we do have a cat
• 1:15:37
  with a mustache. Yeah, yeah, we did have we, we
• 1:15:40
  have a mustache cat around here, man, I I don't know.
• 1:15:50
  I don't know who I relate to in this.
• 1:15:56
  I've stepped up for Trevor a couple of times here.
• 1:15:59
  You know what? You're better than Trevor.
• 1:16:01
  I don't think Trevor did that bad.
• 1:16:03
  He had some shitty moments, I won't give you that.
• 1:16:05
  I just don't think that Trevor was that bad of a person.
• 1:16:08
  I don't. Think he was terrible, but I
• 1:16:09
  also don't think like, I think he had a lot of maturing to do.
• 1:16:13
  If you had a episode or crisis like she was having, I would
• 1:16:18
  probably do the same thing and get like professional help.
• 1:16:22
  I would hope that you would be more empathetic towards me
• 1:16:25
  first. I would be more, I'm a mixture
• 1:16:28
  of Joel and Trevor there. I would be more sympathetic for
• 1:16:32
  you and I would try to. I wouldn't tell you you're crazy
• 1:16:34
  or full of shit or that you're fucked or anything like that,
• 1:16:37
  but I would try and get you the help and be comforted.
• 1:16:41
  I'm OK with that. Yeah, like get me the help that
• 1:16:43
  you think I need, but also like, don't be an ass about it.
• 1:16:46
  OK, I'm going to blend them. I'm good.
• 1:16:49
  Jover. Jover Joel ever sounds like a
• 1:16:55
  fucking porn. Tanges.
• 1:16:58
  I'm Joel. Ever.
• 1:17:00
  You got rid. You got rid of the more
• 1:17:02
  important half of the night. OK, well.
• 1:17:09
  OK, what would? What would Dom?
• 1:17:14
  Do. What would Dom do here?
• 1:17:19
  If you guys want WWDD bracelets, let us know and we'll see if we
• 1:17:23
  can make that merge happen. Yeah, what would?
• 1:17:30
  Jeez, how Dom can't outdrive this fucking thing.
• 1:17:34
  He can't drive away from mental health.
• 1:17:37
  Dude, no, he listened. He's like, you know what?
• 1:17:40
  Challenge it to a race. And then like, he'd just be
• 1:17:43
  staring the demon down like, you know, like they do.
• 1:17:47
  Yeah. And then the demon will see the
• 1:17:50
  absolute like singular focus and Dom's mind and it will self
• 1:17:56
  implode. I'm just picturing that's
• 1:17:58
  perfect. Actually, I think that that
• 1:18:00
  would that's a good way for him to do something.
• 1:18:02
  I'm just picturing a scene of him and like the garage and
• 1:18:06
  somebody's like, don't you like see the smiles at you all the
• 1:18:09
  time is like when I'm in the garage, everybody's smiling.
• 1:18:12
  He'd be like. Everybody smiles in the garage.
• 1:18:16
  I watched my dad die and it was trauma, but I found family after
• 1:18:20
  that. So my my family, my love for my
• 1:18:23
  family is stronger than my trauma.
• 1:18:25
  And the monster would be like, oh.
• 1:18:27
  Fuck, he also has, you know, John Cena like in a fucking tech
• 1:18:31
  advanced jet that can just pick him up.
• 1:18:35
  But then again, it could be a delusion and then he, like, you
• 1:18:38
  know, winds up he's just in his garage instead.
• 1:18:41
  No, maybe the Fast and Furious movies haven't been a delusion
• 1:18:44
  this entire. Time.
• 1:18:44
  No, no, what we find out is that he thinks that his brother has
• 1:18:48
  gone on to become a wrestler who is like a babyface for several
• 1:18:53
  decades and then all of a sudden had a heel turn and Dom's like,
• 1:18:56
  no, what are you doing? And it turns out the heel turn
• 1:19:00
  was actually. It's all on his side.
• 1:19:02
  It's all on the fuck with him. Yeah.
• 1:19:03
  Oh. My God is the monster messing
• 1:19:05
  with him man. It's just John Cena smiling.
• 1:19:10
  At the end we just see John Cena like hugging the monster and
• 1:19:13
  he's just. It's like a similar shot to like
• 1:19:16
  Joel looking at John Cena. We just see like Vin Diesel's
• 1:19:19
  face, like in like terror. Yes.
• 1:19:22
  OK. All right.
• 1:19:27
  Well, tagline, tagline. That's tough.
• 1:19:38
  It'll turn your frown and your world upside down.
• 1:19:42
  That sounds like something from a trailer.
• 1:19:44
  That does sound like something from a trailer.
• 1:19:54
  This is tough. We're treating this as a live
• 1:19:57
  episode, so I can't. Really.
• 1:19:58
  Yeah, you can't do the normal legs.
• 1:20:06
  Say cheese. No.
• 1:20:12
  Just so quick to dismiss. It that's for pictures.
• 1:20:16
  From the people who brought you Joel.
• 1:20:19
  Ever. There were there were more than
• 1:20:24
  one of you to come up with that. Yeah, takes two people to make
• 1:20:28
  Joel ever Joel and Trevor. I've been called Trevor plenty
• 1:20:33
  of times in my. Life you have.
• 1:20:34
  That's the number one name people go to when they can't
• 1:20:37
  remember your real name. The second one is Tyler.
• 1:20:39
  Yep. Whatever man, we'll just go with
• 1:20:43
  yours. I I can't do this shit on the
• 1:20:44
  live thing here. It's too much pressure.
• 1:20:46
  Too much pressure. Yeah, unless, unless we have an
• 1:20:49
  immediate like, fucking yeah. Like I, we're gonna be sitting
• 1:20:53
  here way too long thinking about this OK Dream sequel though.
• 1:20:57
  Dream sequel. Oh man.
• 1:21:00
  I love what they did with the sequel in this movie.
• 1:21:02
  I thought that that was like the like a fantastic way to take it.
• 1:21:06
  Because some of the things that I did really well was it did not
• 1:21:09
  re explain everything to us. Like we cut to the one guy
• 1:21:14
  telling her like let's. Not spoil any of the sequel
• 1:21:17
  stuff for people who may not have seen it.
• 1:21:20
  Yeah, they and it picks up right where the sun leaves off and it
• 1:21:25
  deals with more mental health stuff this time talking a lot
• 1:21:28
  about substance abuse, but also talking a lot about like some of
• 1:21:32
  her own suicidal ideation, which I think is super relevant.
• 1:21:36
  Well then, yeah, I guess you can take like another another thing
• 1:21:40
  like that, like a health epidemic or whatever, a mental
• 1:21:45
  epidemic. And you know, I don't know,
• 1:21:48
  there's all kinds of like mental health disorders out there that.
• 1:21:51
  This is really sad and this is going to really fuck me up to
• 1:21:54
  say this out loud, but like I think another thing that tends
• 1:21:57
  to not be super well understood is like dementia or
• 1:22:01
  neurocognitive disease. Oh my God dude seeing like that
• 1:22:04
  makes. Me feel really sad to think
• 1:22:06
  about that movie existing. But that's you know what?
• 1:22:09
  You're right. That'd be very upsetting.
• 1:22:10
  But like that. Would be people wouldn't believe
• 1:22:13
  the person. We don't, I think even like you
• 1:22:17
  could touch on like how distorted things are.
• 1:22:21
  Like, you know, it doesn't even look like a smile at you
• 1:22:23
  anymore. Yeah, as they like progresses
• 1:22:25
  throughout the movie. Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  And then like, maybe, God, this is fucking me up to say this
• 1:22:32
  maybe have like some actual real delusions and confusion mixed in
• 1:22:36
  there with the demon. Yeah, I know this is a bummer.
• 1:22:39
  This is the worst thing I've ever.
• 1:22:41
  Seen no, no, this is actually I think that like it's a very it's
• 1:22:45
  a very dark idea, but I think that it touches that like the
• 1:22:48
  heart of like what they're getting at with this is like,
• 1:22:52
  you know, taking that type of stuff serious and I think that
• 1:22:55
  would be an effective story. It would be a sad story, but I
• 1:22:58
  think it would be a really good. 1 And I think it all comes back
• 1:23:01
  to what you said about him being afraid of being betrayed by his
• 1:23:04
  own mind and not being believed by other people.
• 1:23:06
  And that is, in an essence, that's what mental health is.
• 1:23:12
  Well, yeah, OK. I think that would be a good
• 1:23:14
  sequel. It would be a good sequel.
• 1:23:16
  It would just be a very, very sad and disturbing.
• 1:23:18
  One I say mental health, mental illness.
• 1:23:20
  But yeah, yeah, same, I guess. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:23
  OK. All right, well, how is about we
• 1:23:27
  move on over to some reviews. OK, if you're ready.
• 1:23:35
  I'm going through my William Shatner face right now.
• 1:23:39
  Yes. Oh boy.
• 1:23:40
  OK so I have a review on IMDb. It's a 3 out of 10.
• 1:23:46
  It's title. I am old and dislike everything
• 1:23:52
  all right. Smile is everything I hate about
• 1:23:56
  modern horror. A plot hijacked from the 90s,
• 1:23:59
  obsession with westernizing J horror, CGI blood, herky jerky
• 1:24:02
  cameras and over reliance on jump cuts, interstitial drone
• 1:24:08
  shots and so many sins against my personal cinematic rules.
• 1:24:13
  Sure I love Jess Franco, Jean Jean Roland, Bruno, Mattel, Joe
• 1:24:19
  D'amato and direct to streaming Amityville movies and have no
• 1:24:22
  taste, but I still know a movie that has no mirror whatsoever
• 1:24:25
  when I watch it. A longer version of director and
• 1:24:29
  writer Parker Finn's war hasn't swept.
• 1:24:31
  This is a total. This is totally a short stretch
• 1:24:33
  to feature length and all of the issues that brings.
• 1:24:36
  That same Laura Weaver is a patient of Doctor Rose Cotter,
• 1:24:39
  and she hasn't slept since she watched her art professor kill
• 1:24:42
  himself after an entity haunted him through the smile.
• 1:24:45
  OK, whatever. We don't have to go through a
• 1:24:46
  recap of this. You've seen it all before.
• 1:24:49
  There's a reason I never read the full review, people.
• 1:24:52
  You've seen it all before, but at least this one had a fun ad
• 1:24:55
  campaign of smiling people showing up on TV and smiling
• 1:24:58
  through news shows and baseball games.
• 1:25:00
  Does the protagonist have a cop boyfriend still in love with
• 1:25:02
  her? Yes.
• 1:25:03
  Does she have a curse that she has to pass on?
• 1:25:06
  Yes. Does a toy with hope with the
• 1:25:10
  hope of a happy ending only to pull the rug?
• 1:25:12
  Yes, Derek Riggs, who created Eddie for Iron Maiden, once told
• 1:25:17
  me that someone smiling was the most unsettling visual.
• 1:25:20
  He's right. I wish he could also have
• 1:25:22
  explained to these film makers how to make a better movie, not
• 1:25:25
  so rely on cliches. But then again, people have been
• 1:25:28
  quick to enshrine this, along with other movies that really
• 1:25:31
  aren't that special, like the Like It Follows and The Babadook
• 1:25:34
  2 Very simple movies is that simply aren't anywhere near as
• 1:25:37
  wonderful as people hunting for seem.
• 1:25:40
  Something to evangelize empty notions of film that would
• 1:25:43
  barely register were so many truly dreadful horror movies
• 1:25:47
  being made. In the Kingdom of really dumb
• 1:25:50
  movies, slightly stupid ones have become king.
• 1:25:54
  I will agree on a couple of things.
• 1:25:56
  I do think that it makes use of tropes and cliches, which I
• 1:26:00
  yeah, there's there's something. Wrong with tropes and cliches.
• 1:26:04
  I think that's like a very important thing in movies.
• 1:26:06
  You don't have to always follow. Yeah, like.
• 1:26:08
  You know, break mold. Sorry.
• 1:26:10
  I did forget about this but I did.
• 1:26:13
  I agree, I don't like the upside down under stitch hill shots.
• 1:26:17
  What is that exactly? I I like those like little in
• 1:26:20
  between shots where we'd see like the the horizon flipped
• 1:26:24
  upside down. It happened a couple of times
• 1:26:27
  and it seemed meaningless when it happened.
• 1:26:30
  Yeah, it's just arty more than anything.
• 1:26:31
  It's like a thing of that era. Midsummer does some of that too,
• 1:26:35
  you know, like, oh, it's just like.
• 1:26:37
  A Midsummer does it like one time though, as they're entering
• 1:26:41
  into into the Horga. Yeah.
• 1:26:44
  Did they not Village? Did they do it a lot of times in
• 1:26:47
  this movie? I didn't.
• 1:26:47
  Yeah, it was like 3 * I. Think I wouldn't call it a herky
• 1:26:51
  jerky camera though. I don't think it's herky jerky.
• 1:26:54
  I just yeah, no, those interstitial shots, I will agree
• 1:26:57
  with the guy on that. I I don't know, maybe it's a
• 1:27:00
  case of one of those that like it got too over hyped before he
• 1:27:03
  watched it. I guess.
• 1:27:05
  But like, I mean, if you don't like it follows like, yeah, I
• 1:27:08
  don't know. I just don't.
• 1:27:09
  Think it just seems like that's not his type of movie.
• 1:27:12
  But he likes to ring. I don't know, I it's confusing
• 1:27:15
  to me. I don't know, I I just, I don't
• 1:27:17
  think he likes modern cinema. Seems like him I.
• 1:27:20
  Just I think he's not really a fan of like the new wave of
• 1:27:23
  like. He's old and doesn't like this.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah, he's, he's upfront about it.
• 1:27:27
  I, you know, I mean, really that's it.
• 1:27:29
  Like things like different camera styles and, you know,
• 1:27:34
  movies have a like a very feel for when they are made.
• 1:27:37
  And I guess he's just not into this current decade or whatever.
• 1:27:41
  Did we have any listener reviews?
• 1:27:42
  We did, yeah. So I asked what you'd rate it on
• 1:27:48
  our thing there, and I got a answer from Marnie, who says 9
• 1:27:51
  out 10. So that's pretty good.
• 1:27:54
  Did we get AY no. We get AY for that one, but I
• 1:27:57
  do. Ask people for.
• 1:27:58
  AY, no, I literally just said rate it so that they they did
• 1:28:02
  their homework right there, they did the assignment and that's
• 1:28:05
  that's perfect. Ward Zombie however did write
• 1:28:07
  out a review guy he says. I like this movie and the hot
• 1:28:11
  take. I liked it more than Smile too.
• 1:28:12
  This one really captures the overall sense of trauma.
• 1:28:15
  The smile monsters putting out good creepy scares and fake
• 1:28:18
  outs. Really good movie.
• 1:28:20
  Yeah, I think, I think it captures two different, two
• 1:28:24
  different inner demons between the two movies.
• 1:28:28
  Yeah, it's a little bit different.
• 1:28:29
  I need to rewatch Smile too, because I it's been a while
• 1:28:32
  since we've seen it. Yeah, but yeah, no, man, it's
• 1:28:36
  tough. I can't tell you one way or
• 1:28:39
  another. I think I would have to rewatch
• 1:28:41
  Smile 2 again to be able to tell you which one I like more.
• 1:28:44
  But I think that they're both very strong movies.
• 1:28:47
  Smile 2 might be better. Might be OK.
• 1:28:52
  All right, Well, I guess that that's it for this week's
• 1:28:54
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• 1:28:58
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• 1:29:01
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• 1:29:06
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• 1:29:08
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• 1:29:13
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• 1:29:25
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• 1:29:30
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• 1:29:34
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• 1:29:36
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• 1:29:40
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• 1:29:42
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• 1:29:44
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• 1:29:57
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• 1:30:00
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