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The Week That Was - 13th May 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: And of course it is Friday morning. It is time
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Speaker 1: for the week that was. And I tell you what,
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Speaker 1: if we thought that every week it was the most
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Speaker 1: listened to hour of radio, this week will certainly not disappoint.
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Speaker 1: There has been a lot happening. And well it's a
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Speaker 1: small group of us this morning. But don't let that
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Speaker 1: fool you because joining me from the colp is Bill Yam.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
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Speaker 3: Bill, Good morning Katie.
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Speaker 1: And we've got the independent member for Goidter, Keezy Appuric,
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Speaker 1: good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Morning Katie, and all our friends in here too.
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Speaker 1: Well just us today because us well that's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Trust me.
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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about us having no shortage of things
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Speaker 1: to talk about, that's for certain.
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Speaker 4: Matt Cunningham may come in, well, Matt, you.
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Speaker 2: Might pop in, well see how he's going.
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Speaker 1: I know that he and Tom Morgan and all of
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Speaker 1: the other journalists around the Northern Territories certainly camped outside
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Speaker 1: Parliament House.
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Speaker 2: I think keys out there.
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Speaker 4: I believe the media with brigonies cameras are out the
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Speaker 4: rear entrance, the back edges, because that's the entrance where
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Speaker 4: we all drive in. So for members to come for
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Speaker 4: their caucus, meaning of course you can have to drive
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Speaker 4: to park in their parking spots and that's the back
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Speaker 4: of the house. Well, and then they have to stop
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Speaker 4: to do the past to get in.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about this, because Wednesday
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Speaker 1: was of course meant to be all about the budget.
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Speaker 1: We had all bunkered down to hear how the Northern
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Speaker 1: Territori's finances were, looking our debt and deficit levels, where
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Speaker 1: investment was going to be made, and where we might
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Speaker 1: see savings measures, and we'll talk about that after. But
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Speaker 1: by eleven o'clock on Tuesday was it Tuesday, we learned
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Speaker 1: that Michael Gunner had resigned as the Chief Minister, citing
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Speaker 1: family as the reason behind the abrupt departure. Now, shall
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Speaker 1: we go first to who we think is going to
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Speaker 1: be the next chief Minister or should we talk about
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Speaker 1: his abrupt departure first?
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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I'll go for I've changed my mind. I
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Speaker 4: mean I'm going to jump in. I think it's not good.
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Speaker 4: I think it's deplorable what the past Chief Minister, Michael
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Speaker 4: Gunner did, he was the treasurer. He took the Treasury
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Speaker 4: of put Fio off Nicole Manison for whatever, and presumably
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Speaker 4: for the last twelve months or six months, he's been
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Speaker 4: crafting the budget with the treasury officials. He delivers the
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Speaker 4: budget and following the budget normally there's question times about
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Speaker 4: the budget and then you do lunches and talk about
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Speaker 4: to industry and then of course estimates is next month
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Speaker 4: where the opposition and people like myself quiz the government
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Speaker 4: on the budget. Now Michael Gunner has gone in, delivered
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Speaker 4: the budget, dropped it and immediately left the building. Elvis Gunner,
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Speaker 4: he walked out. He's advocated his role and responsibilities, I believe,
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Speaker 4: and once again true to form, he's left it to
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Speaker 4: Nicole Madison and Natasha Files to pick up the slack
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Speaker 4: for where he's left it. So I think it's an
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Speaker 4: insult not only to his colleagues, it's an insult to
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Speaker 4: people like me and.
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Speaker 2: Bill for the whole of the territory.
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Speaker 4: Though I take nothing away from his desire to be
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Speaker 4: with his family and to love his children. But you know,
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Speaker 4: he says, oh, I held my second son in my arms,
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Speaker 4: and then I realized my heart and head weren in
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Speaker 4: it anymore. Well, what kind of decisions has he been
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Speaker 4: making for the last few months? With his head not
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Speaker 4: in it.
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Speaker 1: But also if your heart in your head aren't in
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Speaker 1: it anymore, how can you still be the member for
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Speaker 1: Fanny Bay. And that's I think this is the big
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Speaker 1: point here.
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Speaker 2: They're not we know why.
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Speaker 4: He's not going to quit because it would be a
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Speaker 4: by election and they would lose. I don't care whether
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Speaker 4: he's got a massive margin. Members in the past have
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Speaker 4: lost their seats with massive margins. I think Denis Burk
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Speaker 4: was one of them out Palmerston Away when he had
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Speaker 4: a massive margin and he still lost his seat. That
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Speaker 4: seat would fall to the COLP. I have no doubt
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Speaker 4: about it, and I would put a lot of money
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Speaker 4: on it. That's why. So it's it's Guttler's you know,
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Speaker 4: he's going to sit in his office electoral office, and
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Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll be nice and you know, help his
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Speaker 4: constituents and all that sort of stuff. But is he
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Speaker 4: really still going to be wielding the wielding that is he.
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Speaker 3: Actually going to be working for his constituents and working.
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Speaker 4: For the going to be cuddling babies all that time?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's the big question. I one hundred sure of Bill.
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Speaker 5: What was your time well to walk in and as
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Speaker 5: key said to take the treasury portfolio off Nicole man
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Speaker 5: after the last election and say that he is the
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Speaker 5: person to be the treasurer to lead the territory. Okay,
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Speaker 5: he delivered his first budget and stuck around for that.
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Speaker 5: Then there was another ministerial statement on the budget I
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Speaker 5: think late last year, but he delivered and then again
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Speaker 5: walked out of the House and left it to Nicole Madison.
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Speaker 5: And then we're see on Tuesday, he comes in and
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Speaker 5: delivers a budget and effectively walks away from it, walks
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Speaker 5: away from that budget, effectively quits, quits on Territori, and
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Speaker 5: quits on his own party and quits.
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Speaker 3: On Parliament and it walks out the door.
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Speaker 5: And again he leaves the leaves, the hard work and
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Speaker 5: the heavy lifting to to Nicole Madison and Natasha Files
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Speaker 5: And where is where is that?
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Speaker 3: Actually?
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Speaker 4: I suppose right for them, right for Parliament and right
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Speaker 4: for territory.
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Speaker 1: A very interesting part about this as well is you know,
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Speaker 1: you would think if it was something that was planned,
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Speaker 1: this succession plan would be in place as well. But
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Speaker 1: that is where Atlantis now this morning, where everybody's wondering
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Speaker 1: exactly who's going to wind up northern territories next Chief Minister.
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Speaker 1: It is looking as though it's a two horse race
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Speaker 1: between Nicole Madison and Natasha Files.
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Speaker 2: Very capable, but yeah, they are both very capable.
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Speaker 1: But I've got to tell you, I think that's the
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Speaker 1: if the party is to decide to take Nicole Madison
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Speaker 1: as their leader as their next leader, I think that
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Speaker 1: a lot of Territorians are really going to see that
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Speaker 1: as the same government.
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Speaker 2: With a different lead up, different person in place.
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Speaker 4: Heady. The one thing I will say to jump in
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Speaker 4: that the party, the Labour Party, has to be exceptionally
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Speaker 4: careful careful about who they appoint or elect as their
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Speaker 4: new chief minister because Nicole Madison has been the Police
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Speaker 4: Minister for the last twelve months or four years, whatever
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Speaker 4: it's been, and it's when she's been the police Minister
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Speaker 4: that we've seen this horrendous escalation in climate levels, particularly
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Speaker 4: Paul alispras bastards and of course of arrest and charging
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Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff, plus the crime in
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Speaker 4: darn I'll ac called into my servo local servo this
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Speaker 4: morning to fill up with fuel and they've got a
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Speaker 4: massive bloody window all board it up so.
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Speaker 1: Well, and this is I think the risk that they run.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is the risk that they run at
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Speaker 1: the moment. I honestly think that you know, whether it's
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Speaker 1: Natasha Files, whether it's Evil Lawler, whether it's somebody else
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Speaker 1: that's in the in the you know, in the cabinet,
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Speaker 1: that they need to actually be looking for somebody new,
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Speaker 1: someone fresh, somebody who comes in with different eyes and thinks,
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Speaker 1: all right, we need to be open and transparent again.
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Speaker 1: Do we need to go back to having an independent
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Speaker 1: speaker or an independently appointed speaker. Do we need to
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Speaker 1: have a review into the issues that we're having with
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Speaker 1: crime and that select committee into the issues with crime,
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Speaker 1: and we will take a closer look at that after.
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Speaker 1: But somebody who's prepared to come in and make some
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Speaker 1: tough decisions early on, make their mark and get things moving,
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Speaker 1: because right now people are really concerned with a number
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Speaker 1: of things. But if the Labor Party thinks that people
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Speaker 1: aren't noticing the way that they've become totally closed off
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Speaker 1: to the community and that they are not open and
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Speaker 1: transparent as they promised to be, well they are going
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Speaker 1: to be facing two years of continue.
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Speaker 2: It's going to continue exactly how it is, like.
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Speaker 5: Michael Gunner walked out of the chamber after his budget
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Speaker 5: speech and didn't set foot.
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Speaker 3: Back in the place this week.
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Speaker 5: So we raised a number of things around crime, select committees,
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Speaker 5: parliamentary committees, and all we got was Michael Gunner at
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Speaker 5: two point zero with Nicole Madison. She was the epitome
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Speaker 5: of Michael Gunner, shut everything down, didn't want to talk
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Speaker 5: about chrome, didn't want to talk about the issues that
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Speaker 5: were really relevant to territory ends, and didn't want to
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Speaker 5: admit the crime crisis that we're facing across the territory.
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Speaker 5: And it's like it was like Michael Gunner was in
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Speaker 5: the room, but wasn't in the room that the ghost
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Speaker 5: of all the minister, the Member for Fanny Bay was
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Speaker 5: being channeled through Nicole Madison. And as we said, it's
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Speaker 5: the same circus and the same clowns.
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Speaker 1: So tip, who do you reckon's going to take this
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Speaker 1: chief minister?
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Speaker 2: Who's going to get the top job?
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Speaker 4: Well, just let me look at my Betty site.
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Speaker 2: Is it on there?
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Speaker 1: I haven't looked the other day and I couldn't say
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Speaker 1: on that.
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Speaker 2: Excuse me?
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Speaker 4: Look how much is in my account? And that's from
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Speaker 4: betting on politics. I don't bet on things I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Are you allowed to do that? Yeah, surely you are,
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Speaker 2: do you reckon?
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Speaker 4: I've said before publicly all parties have factions, the COLP
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Speaker 4: to a lesser extent, I think than say the Labor Party.
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Speaker 4: But you know clearly Nicole Madison and Natasha Files are
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Speaker 4: the two front runners. But I think Evil All is
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Speaker 4: in the mix there as well. I agree that's it
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Speaker 4: those three. Joel Bowden might have been a good footballer,
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Speaker 4: but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a good member of parliament.
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Speaker 4: I reckon he was a decoy runner and he's been
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Speaker 4: there only for I don't know, five minutes or something.
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Speaker 4: So good on him for having ambitions. I have no
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Speaker 4: issue with that. But I think it really comes down
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Speaker 4: to Nicole and Natasha. And my tip would be to
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Speaker 4: go on with Natasha.
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Speaker 5: Look is age old saying Katie, it'll be harder to
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Speaker 5: pick than a broken nose.
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Speaker 4: Of course. Yeah, look you've got You've got your.
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Speaker 5: Two front runners with Natasha and Nicole, and both very
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Speaker 5: capable people, both.
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Speaker 4: Got very strong followings and the support.
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Speaker 5: But as we've said here, yeah, Joe Bown's quite ambitious,
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Speaker 5: He's I don't think he's made.
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Speaker 3: His position known, and I know that looking at him, look.
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Speaker 5: Watching him your apart when Michael going to resign, he
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Speaker 5: was a pretty happy looking camper when I see him.
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Speaker 4: Also, if someone like Joe Barden does come through and
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Speaker 4: be a deputy, for example, then they're going to have
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Speaker 4: to elect a new Deputy Speaker. Yeah so, And clearly
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Speaker 4: obviously whoever becomes the Chief Minister and deputy, they will
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Speaker 4: be arranged some of the portfolios. I think they would
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Speaker 4: be unwise to have a massive reshuffle because it takes
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Speaker 4: a while to as an independent member, it takes a
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Speaker 4: while to form an engagement relationship with the Minister's office
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Speaker 4: about portfolio and mine. Clearly I have a lot to
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Speaker 4: do with Evil Lawla's office and Evil Lawler because of
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Speaker 4: planning an environmental award and all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: So some of them need a bit of a reshuffle.
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Speaker 4: Some would probably need clearly police find emergency services, perhaps
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Speaker 4: corrections needs you how your valley would come home? But
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Speaker 4: I think it's it's about if they want stability, they
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Speaker 4: can't move around too many of the cheers.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I've been getting asked a lot what I
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Speaker 1: think is going to happen this morning? And personally, I
10:17
Speaker 1: think that I think that it is going to be
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Speaker 1: a two horse race. I do think that we're going
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Speaker 1: to see Natasha Files Nicole Madison up against each other.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think that the left side of the
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Speaker 1: party is going to be prepared to give it up
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Speaker 1: without a fight. And I reckon that we could wind
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Speaker 1: up with a rank and file vote, you know, going
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Speaker 1: to ballot throughout the whole Labor Party if they can't
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Speaker 1: come to a consensus. But then I wonder whether the
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Speaker 1: right side of the Labor Party have got a backup
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Speaker 1: plan and whether that backup plan is okay if Mano
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Speaker 1: is not going to get up, how about someone like
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Speaker 1: even plotting in through the middle. Yeah, but whether the
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Speaker 1: whole caucus is prepared to agree that with that? But
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Speaker 1: also the other part of this is we know that
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Speaker 1: there is left and right sides of the Labor Party,
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Speaker 1: the faction, a.
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Speaker 4: Couple of them aligned.
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Speaker 2: And then what about Mark Turner?
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Speaker 4: What about Mark Turner? Member for blame. Mark Turner is
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Speaker 4: an elective member to Parliament and he belongs to the
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Speaker 4: Labor Party. Now, my understanding in the Labor Party constitution
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Speaker 4: is that the elected Labor members of Parliament get to
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Speaker 4: vote for the new Chief.
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Speaker 2: Minister, so he would get a vote, as.
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Speaker 4: I understand it. So it's not just about the caucus
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Speaker 4: members of which he's not part of any it's the
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Speaker 4: elected members. So if he's president, well he's present, but
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Speaker 4: that could put an interesting slant on things. So I
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Speaker 4: just know that that's the position. So whether he's knocking
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Speaker 4: on the door at the moment saying part of this
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Speaker 4: arrangement and part of this meeting, we don't know. I
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Speaker 4: guess we'll find out.
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Speaker 2: We will will certainly find out.
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Speaker 1: And it has to be an unanimous decision, doesn't they
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Speaker 1: have to, Actually they've got to come to it. I
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Speaker 1: don't know an actual decision as a team.
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Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure how their internal party stuff works
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Speaker 5: with Well, look at the what would just go back
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Speaker 5: and toss out another general election and let the public
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Speaker 5: where the territory, but the territory choose the.
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Speaker 3: Next Chief Inness.
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Speaker 1: Well I've been a few listeners asking that throughout the week,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know that it's going to happen.
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Speaker 4: No where, For the listeners were locked into set terms
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Speaker 4: for these set terms under the legislation, So if were
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Speaker 4: to have an early election. We'd have to first of
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Speaker 4: all change the electoral before that out, So people, it's
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Speaker 4: not till August twenty twenty four, the third week in August.
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Speaker 4: That's when the next general election.
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Speaker 5: I suppose you look at the effectiveness now of the
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Speaker 5: Member for Fanny Bay, Michael Gunner over the coming years. Now,
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Speaker 5: is he actually going to do anything? Is he just
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Speaker 5: going to sit there and take the salary? Is he
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Speaker 5: going to sit there and wait for a few months
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Speaker 5: and then actually and then actually resign and go somewhere else.
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Speaker 5: I think there are the questions that a lot of
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Speaker 5: people are asking, and a lot of people, a lot
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Speaker 5: of people want.
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Speaker 4: To know Katie. The other thing too, and clear, I'm
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Speaker 4: not a great support of Labor Party and their policies
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Speaker 4: and principles. But he's done this in the middle of
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Speaker 4: a federal election.
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Speaker 2: It's quite unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: And I have heard in my contacts that the federal
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Speaker 4: Labor views are not very happy with him because he's
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Speaker 4: done that is distracted from the campaign up here, whatever
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Speaker 4: campaign they've got, and it's like shiny thing in the corner.
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Speaker 4: So he's focusing on him and not.
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Speaker 2: Other I guess the other thing is though.
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Speaker 1: You know, if I was, if I was Gosling, I'd
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Speaker 1: probably be thinking, well, I actually don't mind, because you know,
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Speaker 1: because he is the because Michael Gunner is the person
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Speaker 1: that everybody's blaming for everything, and now he's out, so
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Speaker 1: it could actually do him a good.
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Speaker 5: It's been quite evident right throughout the leading to the
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Speaker 5: federal election campaign.
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Speaker 3: Where's Michael Gunner. He's been nowhere to be seen campaign.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 5: I think he's gone to ground as well as a
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Speaker 5: number of there are other members saying staying out of
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Speaker 5: the line, like keeping quiet and just letting the Feds
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Speaker 5: get on with it, because the Feds, I don't think
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Speaker 5: want to be associated with territory labor.
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Speaker 3: That's for sure.
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a very short break, and we
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Speaker 1: will certainly keep you all up to date with everything
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Speaker 1: that's going on as soon as we get any word
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Speaker 1: from that caucus room eight nine four one one o
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Speaker 1: fort nine. If you'd like to call through, if you
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Speaker 1: want to send us a message today zero four double
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Speaker 1: nine seven double one.
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Speaker 2: Three six zero.
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Speaker 1: You are of course listening to the week that was
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Speaker 1: with Billyan and Keesy Epuric, Well, you are listening to
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Speaker 1: the week that was It is just twenty three minutes
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Speaker 1: after nine o'clock.
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Speaker 2: If you've just joined us in the studio, is Bill
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Speaker 2: Yan and.
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Speaker 1: Kezia Puric No Labor repped today because they're all in
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Speaker 1: there making sure that their vote counts, aren't.
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Speaker 4: They We're missing labor. Natasha is always good in here.
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Speaker 4: We're either I think we're.
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Speaker 1: Either going to wind up in a situation where Natasha's
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Speaker 1: on the week that was every week as just a
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Speaker 1: member of the backbench or the parliament, or we may
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Speaker 1: never see her again.
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Speaker 4: Get a chief Minister on the week was Katie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, got to be something different, you never know.
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Speaker 4: I would hope she would do so because she's pretty well.
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Speaker 4: I think I've got pretty fond of Natasha's. People know it,
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Speaker 4: and I'm like colon, like all of them to some
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Speaker 4: mortal lessons.
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Speaker 3: Just depends like some more than others.
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Speaker 4: I like some more than others. Yeah, no such thing
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Speaker 4: as bad wine. Just some are better than others. But
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Speaker 4: they've really got to get this is distracting. It's distracting
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Speaker 4: from the core problems and the court issues we've got
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Speaker 4: in our community, both here, Alice springs everywhere else, you know,
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Speaker 4: and I spoke in the budget reply, like the government
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Speaker 4: says that you know, there's huge investments in health and
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Speaker 4: education and it is an investment, you know, building buildings
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Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. But when it comes
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Speaker 4: to investment of industry, you know, the mining industry is
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Speaker 4: going okay, but we are the last with the last,
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Speaker 4: so we're the lowest jurisdiction when it comes to the
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Speaker 4: expiration dollar per kilometer, Like it's fine to say we're
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Speaker 4: spending forty million dollars, but what you've got to look at.
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Speaker 4: People have to look at how much is being spent
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Speaker 4: per kilometer of expiration and where the last jurisdiction.
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Speaker 5: Well, you've only even look at the forward estimates, the
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Speaker 5: forward estimates from that.
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Speaker 4: So that's what we need to get up.
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Speaker 1: We need to well and obviously the budget was well
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Speaker 1: was handed down. Now the Northern Territory are government saying
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Speaker 1: that that we are expecting to return to a surplus
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Speaker 1: earlier than previously.
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Speaker 2: They've all come up, how well, that's right.
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Speaker 1: Those debt levels will continue to grow well and truly
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Speaker 1: before then. We do know that you know, our net
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Speaker 1: debt's going to reach nine point three billion dollars by
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They're saying it's an improvement of one
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Speaker 1: point four or five billion dollars on previous forecast. But
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Speaker 1: there is no doubt that the GST had a big
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Speaker 1: impact here, and our carve up of the GST has
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Speaker 1: had a big impact in terms of making things for.
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Speaker 3: The federal government.
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Speaker 5: And that little GST winfall that we got for this year,
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Speaker 5: our financial position will be far worse than that's currently stated.
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Speaker 4: But Katie, that's us. We're contributing to the GST because
16:34
Speaker 4: of inflation, prices are higher. Therefore we're you know, and
16:37
Speaker 4: some of us are perhaps spending more. I don't know.
16:39
Speaker 4: You know, all those schemes and grants that government's given
16:42
Speaker 4: out has made people spend more, which is good. So
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Speaker 4: we're contributing to our own GST. But you're right, we
16:48
Speaker 4: got more GST back than we normally live. But that's nice.
16:52
Speaker 4: But we've got to build our own salts revenues. Now
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Speaker 4: there's only three ways we can do that. Mark One
16:57
Speaker 4: is mineral royalties, two is payroll tax, and three is
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Speaker 4: tim duty stamp duties. I don't know the figures, but
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Speaker 4: it's probably doing all right with the sale and purchase
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Speaker 4: of properties and things of that nature. But we have
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Speaker 4: to build our own source revenues. And my favorite has
17:09
Speaker 4: always been in the raal. It is people know my
17:11
Speaker 4: background and that's where we've got to get, you know,
17:14
Speaker 4: get more investment, get more operating minds. I mean, litium
17:16
Speaker 4: mind is nice, it's a good mind ten to fourteen
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Speaker 4: years on known results. We need a mine that's going
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Speaker 4: for twenty thirty years if you really want to really
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Speaker 4: build this community in economy again.
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Speaker 5: But the hybrid tax that labor are putting online terrible
17:29
Speaker 5: across the territory is not providing certainty for investors. And
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Speaker 5: of course the timeliness of actually getting approvals for exploration
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Speaker 5: and we're still years and years and years behind in.
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Speaker 3: Australia on it.
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Speaker 5: And as the forward estimates shows no income from mining
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Speaker 5: for the.
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Speaker 3: Next twelve months.
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Speaker 4: And that's really quite sad when you think about it.
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Speaker 5: When the Governor always up in Parliament throwing out the
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Speaker 5: lines that the territories to come back capital minds, doing
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Speaker 5: this morning and doing it all these things are going
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Speaker 5: to be opening up, well we were.
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Speaker 4: Is he going to make You've got to look very
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Speaker 4: careful at all these prospective minds that are on the horizon.
18:11
Speaker 4: First we've got to look at the commodity that they're mining,
18:14
Speaker 4: and then you've got to look at the life of
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Speaker 4: the mine. You know, like they use the expression world
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Speaker 4: class discovery or deposit. That means a big body and
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Speaker 4: a ritual body, and there's not many of them on
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Speaker 4: the horizon. Ryan is fabulous with its with it. It will
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Speaker 4: go on for years out there with the gold. They've
18:30
Speaker 4: been in twenty five city years now and now I'll
18:32
Speaker 4: still keep going and going. Jim Coe's got a mind
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Speaker 4: life only for about ten years on the known resources,
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Speaker 4: the manganese mind, so we really need to keep cracking.
18:40
Speaker 4: And I know Conduct Cards was probably I'll give him
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Speaker 4: his jues when he was the Mindes minister. It was
18:45
Speaker 4: probably one of the best labor minds ministers and he
18:48
Speaker 4: really did go out there and promote underneath. He set
18:51
Speaker 4: up a scholarship for geological students. He did things that
18:54
Speaker 4: actually grew, grew the industry, grew the thing from the
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Speaker 4: grave stuff, got involved with the schools, involved with the
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Speaker 4: Geological Society and different groups like that. But this government
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Speaker 4: seems to just want to look at the ferry floss
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Speaker 4: across the top and not do the hard yards.
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Speaker 5: Well, in recent months we've had that drop away. Those
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Speaker 5: two major projects too were underpinning a lot of their
19:19
Speaker 5: recovery on so of course the prawns that seems to
19:22
Speaker 5: have gone by the wayside now and now there's some
19:25
Speaker 5: issues around the solar project out of the Barkley, Singapore
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Speaker 5: saying that it's not viable for them to buy that
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Speaker 3: So Singapore. It was in the media originally.
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Speaker 5: Singapore are saying, well, they can get power from Southeast
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Speaker 5: Asia and from from other means cheaper than they can
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Speaker 5: get it from some so.
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Speaker 2: We might keep moving.
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Speaker 1: Because there is so much to talk about this morning,
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Speaker 1: I have just to word this caucus is meeting right
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Speaker 1: now apparently, so hopefully we'll have a better idea of
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Speaker 1: all takes. But I want to read a few of
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Speaker 1: morning Katie in all honesty, Natasha Files should take Gunner's job.
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Speaker 1: She has the experience and has had to do his
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Speaker 1: And another one here said, let's go back to Keysier
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Speaker 1: as the speaker. She did an amazing job keeping the
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Speaker 2: Another one good Mone and Katie.
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Speaker 1: I think it would be great to see Eva get
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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister's position. Mano and Files are arrogant and
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Speaker 1: their heads are in the sand regarding crime and extra police.
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Speaker 2: So they're just some of.
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Speaker 1: The messages that are coming through on the text line
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Speaker 1: this morning. We might take a very short break when
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Speaker 1: we come back, though, I am keen to talk about
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Speaker 1: what happened in Parliament this week, with the opposition leader
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Speaker 1: obviously calling for the Labor government to support that bipartisan
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Speaker 1: approach to combat the territories escalating crime crisis, but it
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Speaker 1: was knocked back we'll talk more about that in just
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Speaker 1: a couple of moments. Sure, listening to Mix one O
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Speaker 2: You are listening to the week that was?
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Speaker 1: It is just twenty three minutes after nine o'clock if
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Speaker 1: and Kesiapuic no labor rep today because they're.
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Speaker 2: All in there making sure that their vote counts, aren't they.
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Speaker 4: Yes, we're wishing labor Natasha is always good in here.
21:51
Speaker 1: We're either I think where are either going to wind
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Speaker 1: up in a situation where Natasha's on the week that
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Speaker 1: was every week as just a member of the backbench
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Speaker 1: or the parliament, or we may never see her again.
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Speaker 4: Get a chief Minister on the.
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Speaker 3: To be something different.
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Speaker 4: I would hope she would do something like that, because
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Speaker 4: the attashed as people know it. And I'm like Nicole
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Speaker 4: and like all of them to some mortal lessons. Just
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Speaker 4: depends more than others. I like some more than others.
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Speaker 4: No such thing as bad wine. Just some are better
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Speaker 4: than others. But they've really got to get this is distracting.
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Speaker 4: It's distracting from the core problems and the court ses
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Speaker 4: we've got in our community, both here, our springs everywhere else,
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Speaker 4: you know, And I spoke in the budget reply, like
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Speaker 4: the government says that you know, there's huge investments in
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Speaker 4: health and education, and it is an investment, you know,
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Speaker 4: building buildings and all that sort of stuff. But when
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Speaker 4: it comes to investment of industry, you know, the mining
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Speaker 4: industry is going okay, but we are the last with
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Speaker 4: the last, so we're the lowest jurisdiction when it comes
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Speaker 4: to the expiration dollar per kilometer, Like it's fine to
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Speaker 4: say we're spending forty million dollars, but what you've got
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Speaker 4: to look at. People have to look at how much
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Speaker 4: is being spent per kilometer of expiration and where the
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Speaker 4: last jurisdiction.
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Speaker 5: Well, if only look at the forward estimates, the Ford
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Speaker 5: estimates from so we need to get up.
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Speaker 2: We need to well.
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Speaker 1: And obviously the budget was was handed down now the
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government saying that that we are expecting to
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Speaker 1: return to a surplus earlier than previously.
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Speaker 2: You'll come up however, well, that's right.
23:29
Speaker 1: Those debt levels will continue to grow well and truly
23:31
Speaker 1: before then, we do know that you know, our net
23:35
Speaker 1: debt's going to reach nine point three billion dollars by
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They're saying it's an improvement of one
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Speaker 1: point four or five billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: On previous forecast.
23:43
Speaker 1: But there is no doubt that the GST had a
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Speaker 1: big impact here, and our carve up of the GST
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Speaker 1: has had a big impact in terms of making things for.
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Speaker 3: The federal government.
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Speaker 5: And that little GST winfall that we got for this year,
23:55
Speaker 5: our financial position will be far worse than that's currently
23:59
Speaker 5: stated us.
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Speaker 4: We're contributing to the GST because of inflation, prices are higher.
24:04
Speaker 4: Therefore where you know, and some of us are perhaps
24:06
Speaker 4: spending more, I don't know. You know, all those schemes
24:09
Speaker 4: and grants that governments given out has made people spend more,
24:12
Speaker 4: which is good. So we're contributing to our own GST.
24:15
Speaker 4: But you're right, we got more GST back than we
24:17
Speaker 4: normally live. But that's nice. But we've got to build
24:21
Speaker 4: our own sales revenues.
24:23
Speaker 7: Now.
24:23
Speaker 4: There's only three ways we can do that. One is
24:25
Speaker 4: mineral royalties, two is payroll tax, and three is stamp
24:28
Speaker 4: duty stamp duties. I don't know the figures, but it's
24:30
Speaker 4: probably doing all right with the sale and purchase of
24:33
Speaker 4: properties and things of that nature. But we have to
24:35
Speaker 4: build our own source revenues and my favorite has always
24:38
Speaker 4: been mineral roalties. People know my background, and that's where
24:40
Speaker 4: we've got to get, you know, get more investment, get
24:43
Speaker 4: more operating minds. I mean, lithium mind is nice, it's
24:45
Speaker 4: a good mind ten to fourteen years on known resources.
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Speaker 4: We need a mind that's going for twenty thirty years
24:51
Speaker 4: if you really want to really build this community in
24:53
Speaker 4: economy again.
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Speaker 5: But the hybrid tax that labor are putting on as
24:56
Speaker 5: terrible across the territory is not wanting certainty for investors,
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Speaker 5: and of course the timeliness of actually getting approvals for
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Speaker 5: exploration and we're still using years and years behind in.
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Speaker 4: Australia on it.
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Speaker 5: And I said, the forward estimates shows no income from
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Speaker 5: mining for the next twelve months. And that's that's really
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Speaker 5: quite sad when you think about it. When the Governor
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Speaker 5: always up in Parliament throwing out the lines that the
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Speaker 5: territories to come back capital minds, doing this morning and
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Speaker 5: doing it all these things are going to be opening up.
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Speaker 4: Well, we're still waiting to.
25:33
Speaker 3: See these things.
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Speaker 2: Is it going to make You've got to.
25:35
Speaker 4: Look a very care for at all these prospective minds
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Speaker 4: that are on the horizon. First we've got to look
25:40
Speaker 4: at the commodity that they're mining, and then you've got
25:42
Speaker 4: to look at the life of the mine. You know,
25:45
Speaker 4: like they use the expression world class discovery or deposit
25:48
Speaker 4: that means a bigger body and a ritual body. And
25:52
Speaker 4: there's not many of them on the horizon. Is fabulous
25:55
Speaker 4: with its with it will go on for years out
25:57
Speaker 4: there with the gold.
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Speaker 3: They've been twenty five thirty years.
25:59
Speaker 4: Now and they'll still keep going, and they'll keep going.
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Speaker 4: Jim Coe's got in mind life only for about ten
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Speaker 4: years on the known resources, the manganese mind. So we
26:06
Speaker 4: really need to keep cracking. And I know Contact Scards
26:10
Speaker 4: was probably I'll give him his dues when he was
26:13
Speaker 4: the mines minister. It is probably one of the best
26:14
Speaker 4: labor minds ministers. And he really did go out there
26:17
Speaker 4: and promote underneath. He set up a scholarship for geological students.
26:21
Speaker 4: He did things that actually grew, grew the industry, grew
26:25
Speaker 4: the thing from the grave. Stup got involved with the schools,
26:27
Speaker 4: got involved with the Geological Society, and different groups like that.
26:31
Speaker 4: But this government seems to just want to look at
26:33
Speaker 4: the ferry floss across the top and not do the
26:37
Speaker 4: hard yards well to.
26:39
Speaker 5: In recent months we've had that drop away those two
26:42
Speaker 5: major projects too, underpinning a lot of their recovery on
26:47
Speaker 5: so of course the prawns that seems to have gone
26:51
Speaker 5: by the wayside now and now there's some issues around
26:54
Speaker 5: the solar project out of the Barclay saying that it's
26:58
Speaker 5: not viable for them the by that power from Australia via.
27:04
Speaker 2: That with which which.
27:10
Speaker 4: So Singapore was in the media originally.
27:13
Speaker 5: Singapore is saying, well, they can get power from Southeast
27:16
Speaker 5: Asia and from from other means cheaper than they can
27:19
Speaker 5: get it from.
27:20
Speaker 1: Some We might keep moving because there is so much
27:23
Speaker 1: to talk about this morning. I have just heard word
27:25
Speaker 1: this caucus is meeting right now apparently, so hopefully we'll
27:28
Speaker 1: have a better idea of what's going on. It really
27:31
Speaker 1: will depend how long this all takes. But I want
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Speaker 2: Taking my friend, taking fun of your mother.
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Speaker 1: There's one here that says Labour needs new blood is
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Speaker 2: Another one here, Good morning Katie.
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Speaker 1: In all honesty, Natasha Files should take Gunner's job. She
27:53
Speaker 1: has the experience and has had to do his job
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Speaker 1: I think it would be great to see Eva get
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28:33
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Speaker 13: Of Next Saturday night, I think I would like to
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Speaker 13: see the mineral resources, oil and gas as well Port
34:26
Speaker 13: Filow with a very senior minister.
34:28
Speaker 4: That's where it should sit because it's the industries. It's
34:31
Speaker 4: the territory's biggest industry, but a long shot and it
34:33
Speaker 4: should be held by very.
34:34
Speaker 3: Seat to drag us out of the whole.
34:38
Speaker 1: Well, look, there is a couple of topics that our
34:40
Speaker 1: listeners are very keen for us to get to this morning.
34:42
Speaker 1: One of those is the issue of crime. The other
34:45
Speaker 1: is the solar feed in tariff. So we'll go firstly
34:47
Speaker 1: to this issue of crime because I know that the
34:50
Speaker 1: leader of the opposition, Leo for okrro is well. Yesterday
34:53
Speaker 1: she was indeed calling on the Labor government to support
34:56
Speaker 1: a bipartisan approach to combat the territories escalating crime crisis
35:00
Speaker 1: and address catastrophic concerns with the Northern Territory Police is
35:05
Speaker 1: what she'd dubbed them. Now she said that they wanted
35:07
Speaker 1: to sit down with Labour members add the Independents form
35:10
Speaker 1: to form a select parliamentary committee to specifically look at
35:14
Speaker 1: crime and the reasons for crime and youth crime in
35:16
Speaker 1: the territory, recidivism and proven evidence based techniques to decrease offending,
35:21
Speaker 1: strategies to lower the rates of alcohol related crime, including
35:24
Speaker 1: targeted strategies to help habitual abuses.
35:27
Speaker 2: Help to get help that they need.
35:30
Speaker 1: An audit of Northern Territory policies and spending to identify
35:33
Speaker 1: waste and programs that are not achieving results. In addition
35:36
Speaker 1: to that, police health and well being, including evaluation of
35:40
Speaker 1: where the current programs to look after police are fit
35:43
Speaker 1: for purpose, as well as identifying those staffing needs of
35:46
Speaker 1: police in urban and remote areas. Now to add to that,
35:49
Speaker 1: yesterday I spoke to the Police Association's Paul mceu. He said,
35:53
Speaker 1: we are on target for our attrition rate to reach eleven.
35:57
Speaker 2: Percent, So that's absolutely horrendous.
35:59
Speaker 1: Eleven you know, in previous years it's been five six percent.
36:02
Speaker 1: Eleven percent is massive, and you know, I think that
36:07
Speaker 1: this is one of the most important areas. We rely
36:11
Speaker 1: on our police for so much and we've got to
36:14
Speaker 1: make sure that their mental health is looked after. We've
36:18
Speaker 1: got to make sure that they are supported. But we've
36:20
Speaker 1: got to stop leaning on them for absolutely everything. There
36:23
Speaker 1: are other agencies out there, there are other community groups
36:27
Speaker 1: out there that should be supporting people in the community
36:30
Speaker 1: as well.
36:31
Speaker 3: The police are really frustrated.
36:32
Speaker 5: Katie and when I talk to police members, particularly in
36:35
Speaker 5: Central Australia.
36:36
Speaker 3: They're being tasked to pick up everything.
36:38
Speaker 5: They're the only twenty four to seven organization in town
36:42
Speaker 5: and they get tasked with everything. A lot of this
36:44
Speaker 5: stuff should be sitting with territory families, a lot of
36:47
Speaker 5: things that are happening in our communities that should be
36:50
Speaker 5: dealt with before the police need to get involved.
36:52
Speaker 4: And that's where territory families come into play. They need
36:56
Speaker 4: to be.
36:56
Speaker 3: Working with families and working with the kids.
37:00
Speaker 5: To stop these issues happening before they end up with police,
37:03
Speaker 5: because sadly they're right, they happen after four to twenty
37:06
Speaker 5: one and then it becomes police's problem. And police have
37:10
Speaker 5: been giving given all this work that really is not
37:13
Speaker 5: theirs and being left to deal with the aftermath. And
37:17
Speaker 5: it's the frustration with police is palpable. And of course
37:21
Speaker 5: that then that leads to the morale issues that they face,
37:24
Speaker 5: that they're overworked.
37:26
Speaker 4: Then they're stretched, they're stretched stretch frustration.
37:32
Speaker 5: They deal with an offender, they bring the offender before
37:35
Speaker 5: the courts bang out on bail and that they're back
37:37
Speaker 5: picking up the same offender four hours later. And this
37:40
Speaker 5: is not a fallacy. This happens on a regular line.
37:43
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why the government is so reluctant
37:47
Speaker 1: to allow a parliamentary Select Committee to look into these
37:51
Speaker 1: issues that we've got at the mind that.
37:53
Speaker 4: I think there's some an issue. There's an issue with
37:56
Speaker 4: labor and it wasn't what they promised at the beginning
37:59
Speaker 4: after they got elected, and they have an issue with
38:01
Speaker 4: transparency and finding out the real story. Now. Select Committee,
38:06
Speaker 4: for those who are listening are not sure, is a
38:08
Speaker 4: committee of the Parliament. It's not a government committee. It's
38:11
Speaker 4: made up of members of the Parliament, Labor colp Independence.
38:15
Speaker 4: Usually the Government of the day has the chairmanship and
38:18
Speaker 4: that committee then has a support network from within the
38:21
Speaker 4: Department of Legislative Assembly people to do help with the research.
38:25
Speaker 4: You can get experts in, you can have people by
38:27
Speaker 4: a teleconference. It's confidential. So if you had people who
38:31
Speaker 4: wanted to be like a whistleblower to the committee, it
38:33
Speaker 4: could be held in camera so they're protected. You know,
38:36
Speaker 4: the employer can't either disadvantage them or discriminate against them.
38:40
Speaker 4: And then the report it could take three months to do,
38:42
Speaker 4: it could take six months. People can travel around the territory,
38:45
Speaker 4: the committee members and the secretariat. So I cannot understand
38:49
Speaker 4: for the life of me why labor is scared, because
38:52
Speaker 4: that's what they are. There's seed of finding out the reals.
38:57
Speaker 5: They don't want to know what the truth is. They
38:59
Speaker 5: don't want to know what's happening community.
39:02
Speaker 1: I think to myself, don't you want to actually be
39:04
Speaker 1: able to see that the funding that you are providing
39:07
Speaker 1: in different areas, you want to make sure that those
39:10
Speaker 1: KPIs are being met. You want to make sure that
39:12
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, that it's all being met, because fundamentally,
39:16
Speaker 1: if they actually want what they say they want, and
39:19
Speaker 1: that is generational change, what on earth have we got
39:21
Speaker 1: a situation in Alice Springs earlier in the week when
39:24
Speaker 1: you've got little kids out on the street then breaking windows,
39:27
Speaker 1: throwing rocks at cars or throwing rocks at business windows.
39:31
Speaker 1: Where's the support for those kids? You know, obviously, where's
39:35
Speaker 1: the wrap around services?
39:36
Speaker 5: Why are the kids out there in the first place?
39:38
Speaker 5: And on a school at school? And that falls back
39:42
Speaker 5: to two things. That's an education and territory family. What
39:47
Speaker 5: work is being done to ensure that these kids are
39:50
Speaker 5: actually at school getting an education and doing the right thing.
39:53
Speaker 5: That's not happening, and that's again one of the reasons
39:56
Speaker 5: why police are so frustrated, because they're being tasked with
40:00
Speaker 5: dealing with these issues when it's not their issue.
40:02
Speaker 1: Well, I've got a message here from Judith and it
40:04
Speaker 1: says I always listen to your show. Was shocked to
40:07
Speaker 1: hear Leah's crime situation on the agenda was shut down.
40:11
Speaker 1: So disgusted with the show from the ALP. I don't
40:15
Speaker 1: don't live in hope for any other ALP member can
40:18
Speaker 1: do a better job. I live in hope that a
40:20
Speaker 1: new leader doesn't keep on with the same from Gunner.
40:23
Speaker 2: If this still.
40:24
Speaker 1: Goes on, the Administrator of the Northern Territory should step in.
40:27
Speaker 1: Reckons Judith, you know they are some of the messages
40:30
Speaker 1: that we received throughout the week. I think people are
40:32
Speaker 1: really frustrated, frustration.
40:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, see the other thing to you, Katie, which concerned
40:36
Speaker 4: me and during you know, it's one thing to try
40:39
Speaker 4: and shut things down and push them under the carpet,
40:42
Speaker 4: but the government's not even acknowledging the problem and the
40:45
Speaker 4: writing out at what I now the member for Daily
40:48
Speaker 4: who I'm not sure who he is really because no
40:51
Speaker 4: one ever sees him. But when he did his budget
40:54
Speaker 4: and reply speech, where you talk about the budget, you
40:56
Speaker 4: talk about your electric and all that sort of stuff,
40:58
Speaker 4: he did not even acknowledge anything to do with what
41:02
Speaker 4: I put Keith. I mean they're getting money to revamp
41:04
Speaker 4: their swimming pool. I don't think he mentioned that. But
41:06
Speaker 4: they lost forty houses, forty publicly funded houses. Displaced people,
41:12
Speaker 4: old people, young people, children gone out, bush gone, homelands
41:15
Speaker 4: gone wherever because they've got nowhere to sleep and eat
41:17
Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. He didn't even rank it,
41:19
Speaker 4: didn't even rank ammentions. Well, no, the Labor government has
41:22
Speaker 4: addressed that problem out there.
41:24
Speaker 1: And where the community is starting to feel like they're
41:27
Speaker 1: being ghastly. You know, you're talking about these problems, everybody
41:30
Speaker 1: can see them. But then you listen to Parliament and
41:33
Speaker 1: I do know that a lot of everyday territories probably
41:36
Speaker 1: don't tune in to listen to question time. I always
41:38
Speaker 1: say I listen so they don't have to. But at
41:41
Speaker 1: the end of the day, then when you sort of
41:43
Speaker 1: hear no acknowledgment that there is an issue with crime,
41:46
Speaker 1: or that there is an issue like you've said out
41:49
Speaker 1: in what Air and other locations, I reckon.
41:51
Speaker 2: You know, if they don't see this opportunity.
41:54
Speaker 1: Now with the new leadership to really actually ensure that
41:59
Speaker 1: the community is being heard, then I really don't know
42:02
Speaker 1: what's going to happen.
42:03
Speaker 5: I think, Katie, whatever happens today with the leadership and
42:07
Speaker 5: our new chief news, there needs to be a paradigm
42:09
Speaker 5: shift within the Labor part in the Labor Caucus. They
42:12
Speaker 5: cannot continue down this road of denying the fact that
42:15
Speaker 5: there is a crime crisis right across the territory. The
42:19
Speaker 5: paradigm shift needs to be acknowledge that there's a problem.
42:22
Speaker 5: And that's what the Parliamentary Select Committee was about, is
42:26
Speaker 5: going to have a look at those issues, listen to people,
42:28
Speaker 5: listen to some of the solutions, and come back to Parliament.
42:30
Speaker 4: With a few ideas. What's so wrong with that.
42:33
Speaker 5: I've got a message on which I read the other day,
42:37
Speaker 5: and this is a cracker. There's one thing the Labor
42:40
Speaker 5: Party hate more than our police officers and law abiding citizens.
42:45
Speaker 5: And sorry, if there is one thing Labor hate more
42:48
Speaker 5: than our police and the law abiding community, it's scrutiny, yep.
42:53
Speaker 5: And that's exactly much and pretty well, and that's what
42:56
Speaker 5: happened when they shut down debate around the Select Committee.
43:00
Speaker 5: I tried to center the Police Minister yesterday on crime
43:04
Speaker 5: in central Australia and across the territory and the government
43:07
Speaker 5: wouldn't even accept that.
43:08
Speaker 2: Avail I heard it, build it. Avail I wasn't I
43:12
Speaker 2: able to go.
43:12
Speaker 4: For This is the other crazy thing about the government
43:15
Speaker 4: at the moment is a censure motion. Some people listening
43:18
Speaker 4: might think, oh, that's pretty bad. Well, it is sort
43:21
Speaker 4: of bad, but it also allows the government, which I
43:23
Speaker 4: don't think they've quite twigged. Perhaps it allows them the
43:26
Speaker 4: opportunity to have you know, two speakers, five peekers, six
43:29
Speaker 4: speakers to speak about. Goodness knows what they want to
43:31
Speaker 4: speak about. But no, they just think it's something that
43:33
Speaker 4: we just don't want to talk about. We don't want
43:35
Speaker 4: to acknowledge it. Katie. The other concerning thing is I
43:38
Speaker 4: think you might have seen it on Facebook, is there's
43:40
Speaker 4: a group in Darwin that has set up to support
43:43
Speaker 4: police officers, like a welfare association, and they did a crowdfunding.
43:46
Speaker 4: They're right, I did a crowdfunding and just to set
43:49
Speaker 4: up fees for Facebook and all that sort of thing,
43:52
Speaker 4: and they were overwhelmed because you know, it's all very
43:56
Speaker 4: well for the police Minister Madison to sell our record
43:58
Speaker 4: money for police blah blah. That may be able to
44:01
Speaker 4: be the case. But when you've got a grassroots woman
44:03
Speaker 4: and I think it's the one you wanted to set
44:05
Speaker 4: up a welfare support group for police officers and raising
44:09
Speaker 4: money from the community, something's wrong. Yeah, but something's wrong
44:14
Speaker 4: within the police system. An outside person has to provide
44:18
Speaker 4: a support network.
44:19
Speaker 1: Yeah. And we did catch up with a former police
44:21
Speaker 1: officer yesterday, a former police sergeant who had spoken about
44:25
Speaker 1: the issues of there not being enough support when it
44:27
Speaker 1: comes to mental health particularly. I think even after retirement
44:32
Speaker 1: making sure or even after people leave the force, making
44:34
Speaker 1: sure that they have that support. I think it's fundamental
44:37
Speaker 1: that that happens. We are going to continue on though,
44:40
Speaker 1: because there is a lot on the agenda, will take
44:42
Speaker 1: a really short break.
44:43
Speaker 2: When we come back. We're going to talk about these
44:45
Speaker 2: solar feed.
44:45
Speaker 1: In tariffs, because I tell you what that got people
44:48
Speaker 1: incredibly fired up earlier in the week. You are listening
44:51
Speaker 1: to Mix one oh four nine, Well, we are really
44:54
Speaker 1: mixing things up in here this morning. We don't have
44:56
Speaker 1: a labor member or a journalist because they're all camped out.
45:00
Speaker 1: The jodo's camped down outside waiting to see exactly what
45:02
Speaker 1: happens in this caucus meeting. But we are indeed joined
45:05
Speaker 1: in the studio by Bill Yan, the colps, well the
45:09
Speaker 1: colp's Bill Yan, and we've also got independent Kezi Epuric.
45:12
Speaker 2: Now.
45:12
Speaker 1: One of the things that happened throughout the week, and
45:14
Speaker 1: an announcement that got people pretty riled up over last
45:18
Speaker 1: weekend was the changes to the solar rebate. Over thirteen
45:22
Speaker 1: thousand households in the territory, we'll have their solar feed
45:25
Speaker 1: in tariff slash by up to a total of twelve
45:28
Speaker 1: million dollars after the Northern Territory government unveiled these changes
45:32
Speaker 1: on the scheme on Friday. So essentially, under the grandfathered
45:35
Speaker 1: feed in tariffs, anyone who had installed solar panels on
45:38
Speaker 1: their roofs before April twenty twenty was being paid twenty
45:42
Speaker 1: six point sixty five cents for every killer wash hour
45:45
Speaker 1: that they fed back into the Northern Territory's power greed.
45:48
Speaker 1: But we now know well after April twenty twenty they
45:52
Speaker 1: were being paid nine point one three since bur killer
45:55
Speaker 1: what hour, But these changes now mean that well, that's
45:58
Speaker 1: effectively what it's going to go to.
46:00
Speaker 2: So it's something that has rolled a lot of people up. Bill.
46:05
Speaker 5: What were your thoughts, Yeah, it's really interesting that Labor
46:08
Speaker 5: made this commitment to people who had already put solar
46:11
Speaker 5: on and from those commitments earlier and people went out
46:14
Speaker 5: and put solar on name that now we're going to
46:15
Speaker 5: get this rebate, and then they changed that and dropped
46:18
Speaker 5: it to nine cents to killer what Hour, and particularly
46:21
Speaker 5: anyone who made any changes to their existing system would
46:24
Speaker 5: drop from the twenty sixth down to the nine sense.
46:26
Speaker 5: So if you change the regulator or added another solar
46:29
Speaker 5: panel instantly you would drop down. And then they've come
46:32
Speaker 5: out now and said, well, we're going to take everybody
46:34
Speaker 5: off that and we're going to drop you wall to
46:36
Speaker 5: nine sense of killer what Hour, which is effactly that
46:40
Speaker 5: they've lied to the people who they guarantee this grandfather
46:44
Speaker 5: clause for posts April twenty twenty.
46:47
Speaker 1: Now I think we've got Chris on the line. We
46:49
Speaker 1: don't usually take callers.
46:50
Speaker 2: During the week, that was, but why not Good morning,
46:52
Speaker 2: Chris modern.
46:54
Speaker 7: How are you not bad?
46:55
Speaker 10: Mate?
46:55
Speaker 2: How are you?
46:56
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, good? Good?
46:57
Speaker 2: What's your situation.
47:01
Speaker 7: We live out at Southport. Now obviously we don't have
47:05
Speaker 7: town water, so every time we turn the tap on,
47:09
Speaker 7: we're using power because we've got to have pressure pumps
47:11
Speaker 7: from the tank where weceived our email yesterday that our
47:19
Speaker 7: tariff is going to be cut. Right now, our systems
47:25
Speaker 7: seven years old. We're about the first people out here
47:28
Speaker 7: to get a put on. Now the system's only a
47:32
Speaker 7: four point five.
47:34
Speaker 2: So what's it going to mean for you, Chris?
47:37
Speaker 7: What it means is I got to spend another seventeen
47:39
Speaker 7: thousand dollars to put a new system on and a battery.
47:45
Speaker 4: Wow, and so having battery back up, Chris.
47:49
Speaker 7: Well, the battery there, so it charges up during the day.
47:56
Speaker 7: We've got power you using any extra power goes into
47:59
Speaker 7: your battery charge.
48:00
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, you so you must be pretty rapable when
48:06
Speaker 1: the sorry.
48:07
Speaker 7: So when the sun goes down your house to run
48:10
Speaker 7: for a few hours off the battery. Yeah, and then
48:12
Speaker 7: you're back on the grid again.
48:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
48:14
Speaker 5: Look, and I suppose Chris, that's what we put forward
48:17
Speaker 5: this week in Parliament was changes to that scheme.
48:22
Speaker 3: Now we're off in the savings or what savings.
48:25
Speaker 5: Labor said they're going to make the twelve million dollars
48:27
Speaker 5: I make by taking everybody off the old scheme and
48:30
Speaker 5: dropping them down to nine sense equates the twelve million dollars.
48:32
Speaker 5: So our scheme would reinvest that twelve million dollars and
48:36
Speaker 5: make a commitment to territories to provide a subsidy to
48:40
Speaker 5: put a larger battery in place that would actually feed
48:45
Speaker 5: an entire house overnight. Infactly what that does It takes
48:48
Speaker 5: pressure off the grid overall, but actually could take say
48:53
Speaker 5: someone lot you, Chris living out at Southport, off the
48:55
Speaker 5: good they make this and through your your own solar system,
48:59
Speaker 5: you would be sufficient for your entire house and probably
49:03
Speaker 5: wouldn't need to be on the grid.
49:04
Speaker 1: Well, and look, I guess the thing is, you know,
49:07
Speaker 1: Chris isn't alone. There's no doubt about that. We have
49:10
Speaker 1: been inundated with calls throughout the week and particularly on Monday,
49:14
Speaker 1: a lot of people messaging through, a lot of people
49:16
Speaker 1: calling through. It's it is something, you know, an announcement
49:19
Speaker 1: that the Gunner government had made that I really don't
49:22
Speaker 1: think people.
49:23
Speaker 2: Are happy with at all.
49:25
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've got a situation where it
49:27
Speaker 1: was required because we didn't have the capacity within the
49:30
Speaker 1: system within power and water. I don't know exactly why
49:33
Speaker 1: the decision has been made, but changing the goalposts, so
49:36
Speaker 1: I've got to tell you really pease people off.
49:39
Speaker 5: It certainly does, because, as I said, people made the
49:41
Speaker 5: commitment to get on solar.
49:43
Speaker 3: Knowing that they were going to get the rebates.
49:47
Speaker 5: Labor or effectively putting barriers in place for people to
49:50
Speaker 5: put sola on the house, is that.
49:52
Speaker 4: The incentive is not there anymore.
49:54
Speaker 5: If we're talking about becoming green and improving our renewables
49:59
Speaker 5: and dropping our carbon footprint, then Labor should be actually
50:02
Speaker 5: doing more to make it solar.
50:05
Speaker 1: Revivable to criticisms obviously through the weak Bill was has
50:09
Speaker 1: the CLP costed their budget?
50:11
Speaker 2: Reply?
50:12
Speaker 1: Because I know that Nicole Manison and I heard the
50:14
Speaker 1: Labor Party yesterday in question time really giving it to
50:17
Speaker 1: you guys, saying that you're going to you know, you're
50:19
Speaker 1: gonna make cuts and you're going to sack public servants
50:23
Speaker 1: and I can't remember what the catch craze, but it's
50:25
Speaker 1: something along those.
50:26
Speaker 3: It's standard stuff, Katie.
50:27
Speaker 5: We hear it, We hear it every Parliament. You're going
50:30
Speaker 5: to cut this and slash out and sell something else.
50:32
Speaker 5: And it's just it's the standard stuff that we hear
50:36
Speaker 5: every time. The twelve million dollars that labor would make
50:39
Speaker 5: in savings by the changes they're doing to the solar
50:42
Speaker 5: rebate scheme, so we would be reinvesting that money straight
50:46
Speaker 5: back into batteries for houses. And then of course we
50:49
Speaker 5: continue on investing in batteries for houses because the offset
50:53
Speaker 5: there is the pressure it takes off our grid. Yeah,
50:57
Speaker 5: so by having a battery on your house, and the
50:59
Speaker 5: longer term thing is that then power and water can
51:04
Speaker 5: tap into your battery when the pressure is on and
51:06
Speaker 5: take power out of your battery, and in those peak
51:08
Speaker 5: times you would get double the tariff rape.
51:10
Speaker 1: Well, look, we've just about run out of time, but
51:12
Speaker 1: how about a couple more messages before we wrap up for.
51:15
Speaker 2: The morning I messages.
51:17
Speaker 1: Well, I've got one here and it says, don't even
51:19
Speaker 1: get me started. In the grinchy government's clawback of the
51:22
Speaker 1: solar feed in tariffs. What happens to territory labor doing
51:25
Speaker 1: everything it can for climate change?
51:27
Speaker 9: What bull?
51:28
Speaker 1: Now we're stuck with twenty thousand dollars out of pocket
51:30
Speaker 1: for a solar system that's worthless. We can't afford to
51:34
Speaker 1: fork out tens of thousands more for batteries. It's bloody
51:37
Speaker 1: criminal of this mean government says that person. I've got
51:41
Speaker 1: one here from BEV and it says high Kding. Natasha
51:44
Speaker 1: has never answered a question, so she would be no
51:47
Speaker 1: good as the Chief Minister Eva as a straight shooter.
51:50
Speaker 3: Give the Chief Chief Minister and the best.
51:54
Speaker 1: Fragons that person another one here's still not keasy as much.
51:58
Speaker 2: She's a bloody legend. Go and get him.
52:04
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of siblings. Just quickly once again, residents, people,
52:11
Speaker 4: citizens did as the government asked us to do. Go solo,
52:15
Speaker 4: try and do a little bit for the environment as
52:17
Speaker 4: a little person, the king the gus and then kick
52:19
Speaker 4: them in the guts, you know, and that's just typical labor.
52:22
Speaker 5: Well.
52:23
Speaker 1: Look, and they're not here to defend themselves, which I
52:25
Speaker 1: know always makes it hard.
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Speaker 2: I wish that they were here to defend themselves.
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Speaker 1: But maybe next week, once they've sorted out what's going
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Speaker 1: one week.
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Speaker 4: No, you never know, Katie Big Club, it's Friend's Past
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Speaker 4: Show weekends, Friend's Passo. Now I want people to go
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Speaker 4: to Friends Past Show, part from fact it's a good show,
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Speaker 4: and help you go to the cooking and I want
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Speaker 4: you to see if there's any first price certificates against
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Speaker 4: lemon Cello record is that you yeah, even if there's.
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Speaker 5: Not too keys Because our spring show is coming up soon,
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Speaker 5: first one I've had in a couple of years. Now
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Speaker 5: down with you, there's going to be a poly cake competition.
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Speaker 5: Oh look, I invite you to put a cake in.
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Speaker 4: Go on, why not?
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Speaker 1: And it's also this weekend is Max's Cast for a
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Speaker 1: Cure Bill. I know that you are, you're taking part.
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Speaker 1: It's Max's Cast for a Cure. So you might know
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Speaker 1: Lincoln and Naomi Campbell they lost their little boy Max
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Speaker 1: to brain brain cancer and they are fundraising and they
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Speaker 1: have got over ninety thousand dollars worth of prizes, which
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Speaker 1: I think is just phenomenal.
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Speaker 10: So many.
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Speaker 4: Sponsoring along and along with some of the labor.
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Speaker 2: Polish busy weekend, then it should.
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Speaker 5: Be I'll be out there trying to catch a fishy
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Speaker 5: trying to catch a fish good.
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Speaker 4: Okay for anyone listening out at Marrakai, there's a public
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Speaker 4: meeting at the tavern at ten o'clock. Remember this labor
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Speaker 4: government's trying to force local government on you, and we
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Speaker 4: don't want it out there.
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Speaker 1: Well, please tell them to get in contact with me
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Speaker 1: for next week as well, and we'll make sure we
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Speaker 1: get them all.
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Speaker 2: We're going to have to wrap up. Lovely to have
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Speaker 2: you both in the studio. Thanks so much.
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Speaker 4: Great to be here again. You always enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: Let's see if we know who's going to be the
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Speaker 1: Chief Minister throughout the show.
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Speaker 2: I'll keep you all up to date.
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