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Cardinals shutout in Pittsburgh, what happened to the offense? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: On our most recent episode of Cardinals Territory, Bernie took
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: an oath to be even keeled and level headed no
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: matter what happened in the next couple of weeks with
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  Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals, after they spent the weekend with
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  Speaker 1: their most dominating series sweep their series win of the
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  Speaker 1: season in my opinion, over the Cleveland Guardians.
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  Speaker 2: They came to Pittsburgh and Bernie, you said, no matter.
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  Speaker 1: What happens, I'm not gonna I'm gonna try not to overreact.
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  Speaker 1: And the Cardinals must have heard you and took that personally,
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  Speaker 1: because not only swept by the Pirates, they did not
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  Speaker 1: score one single run over the last three days in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 2: It was not fun. Morale pretty low right now, Bernie,
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  Speaker 2: what are you thinking?
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm thinking with the attitude I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to have on this edition of Cardinal Territory, that
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  Speaker 3: all of the people you're subscribers that say, oh, I'm
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: so glad you have Bernie on there, You're probably going
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  Speaker 3: to get a different kind of opinions because I'm actually
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  Speaker 3: really cool headed about this. You know this, this team,
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  Speaker 3: you know, has played fifteen games in the last fourteen
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  Speaker 3: days and they won nine out of the They went
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  Speaker 3: nine and six. I realized that the Pirates made them
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  Speaker 3: look really, really bad. There's no excuse excusing the offensive
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  Speaker 3: performance in particular. But this Pirates team actually destroyed a
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  Speaker 3: Mets team that has the three hundred and thirty million
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  Speaker 3: dollar payroll in the three games before the Cardinals came
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  Speaker 3: to town. So even though the Cardinals have lost five
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  Speaker 3: out of eight, I mean, we can parse this.
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  Speaker 4: Any way you want. I mean, their overall.
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  Speaker 3: Trend is good, but the offense is almost hopelessly inconsistent.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a fact more than an opinion. And they're
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  Speaker 3: a beat up team right now. And I know a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fans, Katie, and it's okay, man, People can
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  Speaker 3: can can you know, believe what they want to believe.
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  Speaker 4: They don't want to hear about the tough schedule.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want to hear about players being banged up,
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  Speaker 3: and it is true that that's the reality for all teams.
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  Speaker 3: But I think the Cardinals went into Pittsburgh at a
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  Speaker 3: bad time because the Pirates, in case people haven't noticed,
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  Speaker 3: and by the way, I don't think a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people have noticed because when km Wax the other day,
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  Speaker 3: we had people, you know, commenting, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Like, well, you know, they're ownly going to play the Pirates.
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  Speaker 4: The Pirates. The Pirates are.
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  Speaker 3: Like twenty three and seventeen since May twenty They're actually
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  Speaker 3: a really good club right now. So no, the sky
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  Speaker 3: is not falling, but I wish they would stop getting
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  Speaker 3: shut out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think two things can be true here. One,
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  Speaker 1: the Pirates can be on a heater. They just won
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  Speaker 1: six straight. They've looked really good against the Mets, they
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  Speaker 1: looked really good obviously against Saint Louis. And another thing
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  Speaker 1: that could be true is that the Cardinals are banged up.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that later in the show. And they
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  Speaker 1: didn't play well this series at all. I mean, they've
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  Speaker 1: pitched well to out of three games. Onder Tante was fantastic,
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  Speaker 1: Sonny Gray good start up until the end. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what, talks to Brendan Donovan after the game, and
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  Speaker 1: here's what he said, And it was as simple as
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  Speaker 1: it gets. He said, we sucked, we didn't score any runs.
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  Speaker 1: We're on to Chicago. That's all I got. And of
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  Speaker 1: course he expanded past that, but I thought that was
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  Speaker 1: a very appointment and to the point opening statement. They
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  Speaker 1: sucked in Pittsburgh. They did not score any runs. It
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  Speaker 1: was maddening, it was frustrating. They were without Olonarnado for
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  Speaker 1: two games, no Wilson Contreri's for a game and a half,
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  Speaker 1: no Lar's Newt Bar for a game. That were lying
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  Speaker 1: on a bunch of guys right now that don't have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pop, and they just got out played.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you do? You flush it, because if
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  Speaker 2: you dwell on this series.
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  Speaker 1: For as good as the Cleveland one was, the Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 1: pretty bad, you have a super important series ahead starting Friday.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, though, Bernnie, these guys are absolutely meeting
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  Speaker 1: that off day on Thursday. But I'm with Donnie. They
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  Speaker 1: were really bad. It wasn't fun to watch. It was
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  Speaker 1: super frustrating. You flush it and you move.
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  Speaker 4: On, and they've they've gone through this speed four. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they were. They were really bad early in the season.
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  Speaker 3: They lost a bunch of games in a short stretch.
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  Speaker 3: They had that six or seven game losing streak. When
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  Speaker 3: was that late May early June. I guess the Cardinals
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  Speaker 3: have been you know, in the in the gutter a
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  Speaker 3: few times this season, and they always respond and so
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to assume that they're going to respond again,
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  Speaker 3: because there is a tenacity this team that I admire
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  Speaker 3: and that doesn't go away because they got their rear
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  Speaker 3: ends kicked in Pittsburgh, you know, and after all again,
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  Speaker 3: I realized nobody wants to hear this.
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  Speaker 4: It was a three and three road trip.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, but yeah, I will say this though,
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  Speaker 3: getting shut out in you know, five of your last
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  Speaker 3: eight games probably not good.
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  Speaker 4: I had a note that I put on X I.
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  Speaker 3: Fed some red meat to the people's The two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and four Cardinals team got shut out four times in
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two games. This Cardinals team just
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  Speaker 3: got shut out five times in a week. But that
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  Speaker 3: other team had a bunch of Hall of Fame talent.
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  Speaker 3: That's the difference.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it was pointed out to me
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  Speaker 1: by one of the members of Cardinals PR because I
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  Speaker 1: missed the Cleveland series. He said, Katie, did you know
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  Speaker 1: that you're approaching forty nine innings without seeing the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: score a run in person? And I looked at him,
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  Speaker 1: and that's maybe the most depressing stat I've heard all week.
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  Speaker 1: And we joked about this, Bernie, we joked about it.
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  Speaker 1: I said, the Cardinals always play well on the road
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  Speaker 1: on the trips. I'm not there, And I jokingly said,
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  Speaker 1: I did not think this was actually going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Watch him get swupped by the Pirates. I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: that was a legit possibility.
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  Speaker 1: I also thought they would score more than one singular
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  Speaker 1: run in three games, and they didn't do either of
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  Speaker 1: those things.
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  Speaker 2: So bad series. I thought their.
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  Speaker 1: Overall approach was fine given who they lacked in the lineup.
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  Speaker 1: They did hit a lot of balls, they put a
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  Speaker 1: lot in balls and play. They went two for twenty
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  Speaker 1: three with runners in scoring position collectively through the series,
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  Speaker 1: so that's not going to play. But I didn't think
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  Speaker 1: there was anything different with the approach. I didn't think anything,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I thought they were more or less the
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  Speaker 1: same hitters. They just were missing three of their best hitters.
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  Speaker 1: So not great. Not a good top series for Donovan
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  Speaker 1: in the leadoff spot.
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  Speaker 2: So jac is going through it right now, Gorman coming
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  Speaker 2: back to Earth.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, what can he do?
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  Speaker 2: You move on?
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  Speaker 3: You know, And and again my point isn't like pick
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  Speaker 3: on certain players. But in addition to the guys that
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  Speaker 3: are they're banged up you know, Donovan went into this
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  Speaker 3: game seven for his last forty nine. Berlasen went into
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  Speaker 3: this game five for his last thirty six. Contreras, his
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  Speaker 3: numbers are down for the season. You know he'll be
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  Speaker 3: on a He's on a pace to have like his
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  Speaker 3: worst full season offensively since twenty eighteen. He's still a
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  Speaker 3: good hitter though, don't get me wrong. You know we
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  Speaker 3: all wanted to Jayce up here and again not dumping
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  Speaker 3: on the kid, but he hasn't done anything since they
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  Speaker 3: were called him and who else I haven't you know,
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  Speaker 3: had some notes here and I don't want to go
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  Speaker 3: nuts with him, oh Lars Newtbar since you know, May
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  Speaker 3: the first is hitting two two with a six thirty ops.
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  Speaker 4: So my point is these are the guys.
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  Speaker 3: That the Cardinals really need to lean on to come through,
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  Speaker 3: and when they were going well, these guys were coming
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  Speaker 3: through right.
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  Speaker 4: But it just shows you.
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  Speaker 3: Like the talent level, I'll say this, The talent level
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  Speaker 3: is such that unless your big dogs are getting it
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  Speaker 3: done all of a sudden, it's hard to find those runs.
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  Speaker 4: It really is.
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  Speaker 3: And this was a time where you mentioned a Kay
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  Speaker 3: Contreras and Newt Bar and who else? Arnatto banged up,
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  Speaker 3: and then on top of that, you have three guys
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  Speaker 3: that have been terrific that just just haven't been hitting lately.
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  Speaker 3: That's a recipe for an offensive disaster, I would say.
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  Speaker 1: And we saw it, but I'm with the guys that
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  Speaker 1: it was obviously very quiet in the Cardinals clubhouse post game,
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  Speaker 1: but I believe the sentiment is, hey, all year long,
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  Speaker 1: we've been a very resilient club.
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  Speaker 2: Let's keep that up.
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  Speaker 1: Take the off day everyone needs it, and try again
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: on Friday. So we'll get into the state of the
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's start with our Cardinals injury report. A
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: lot of guys going through it right now. Of our's
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  Speaker 1: new bar was unavailable Monday's game. He's dealing with some
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  Speaker 1: back and a rib tightness, soreness. However you want to
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  Speaker 1: DM it not serious and frn i Els didn't just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days of rest back in the lineup,
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  Speaker 1: but definitely not one hundred percent. Nolan Aronado has a
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: right index finger sprain that he does not know how
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: he got and he thinks that happened as he's betting
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: on an infield single. Over the weekend in Cleveland, try
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: he was in the lineup to play third base on Monday,
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: was a late scratch. They swapped him and Gorman, so
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: he was the DH said, we talked to him Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: He could barely swing and hold of bat.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: His finger was in a little uh soft cast, and
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday he was just a no go. He couldn't
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  Speaker 1: even throw. He tried to go out on the field,
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: couldn't do it. So the thought was on Tuesday to
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: give him Tuesday most likely Wednesday today, and then Thursday
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: the off day, give him three days of rest and
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: hope that it is better by Friday. So that was
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: probably the worst possible time for Wilson. Contraras take a
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: hit by a ninety nine mile power fastball from Paul
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  Speaker 1: Skins on the left wrist. I mean, that was his
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  Speaker 1: fourteenth hit by pitch this year, and that one on
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  Speaker 1: contact looked the worst.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised he.
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  Speaker 1: Stayed in that game, but he said is he was
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  Speaker 1: running the bases, it just was not gouse. The pain
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  Speaker 1: was not subsiding it was getting worse, so he was
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: removed from the ballgame, and he told us Tuesday night,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really doubtful to play Wednesday, same thing as Nolan.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: Hopefully I can take Thursday and go into Friday and
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: be healthy. So there is no guarantee that either player
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: is back on Friday, but you certainly hope one, if
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: not both, And those two have to be in serious,
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  Speaker 1: serious pain to take two days out in a row.
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, Nolan Arnano, you have to like drag him
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  Speaker 1: off the heel to take a day off. Same with contrarasts.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how you know it's pretty serious. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, honestly, I thought he was a for me
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  Speaker 1: and did a nice job with the bat filling in.
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  Speaker 1: I know there weren't any runs to show for it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's you know, it's not an ideal situation. You
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  Speaker 1: also thought that you'd Jordan Walker back, who's eligible to
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: be activated off the injured list on July third, which
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: is tomorrow, so the Cardinals were looking at potentially having
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: him for the Cup Series. That is no longer the case.
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  Speaker 1: Alie Marmele said, while Walker was in Pittsburgh, I saw.
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  Speaker 2: Him this morning.
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  Speaker 1: He was meeting with the med staff to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that everything was good. This is not an injury, Bernie,
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  Speaker 1: that's like a quad muscle or an ankle sprain. This
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  Speaker 1: is a health issue, so they're being super cautious about it.
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  Speaker 1: Everything checked out good, All the tests were great. So
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: Jordan Walker caught a flight from Pittsburgh back to Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna meet with the Springfield Cardinals and finish through
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  Speaker 1: the weekend at least a rehab assignment with them the earlies.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see Walker is before the National Series starting July eighth,
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  Speaker 1: but that's no guarantee either. So that's four guys really
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  Speaker 1: that we know that are banged up. But let me
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: tell you that entire clubhouse is clying its way to
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: the All Star break. We knew how Gruel and June
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: would be. They need this off day, Bernie. If these
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  Speaker 1: guys can't go on Friday, who needs to step up?
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  Speaker 3: Geez up, lot know, let me I'll make a bad joke.
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: You know, when jose for Mean is like one of
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  Speaker 3: your best players in the Pittsburgh Series, that's probably a
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  Speaker 3: good reflection on the state of the Cardinals offense right now.
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  Speaker 4: With all the guys banged up or just burned out. Listen.
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  Speaker 3: No, you know, we put a lot on Nolan Gorman.
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  Speaker 3: We see that he's capable of delivering a lot of impact.
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  Speaker 3: He's a guy that's gonna have to step up.
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  Speaker 4: Listen.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's unfair because they're well, it's not unfair, it's
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  Speaker 3: just the reality. You know, Erlison and Donovan are going
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  Speaker 3: to have to step up because they've been really cold,
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  Speaker 3: and that really that has an impact on the offense,
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  Speaker 3: I think in general, and I don't know how realistic
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  Speaker 3: this is. The you know there their outfield is basically
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  Speaker 3: really terrible offensively. But I don't know if there is
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  Speaker 3: a magic solution to that. But you'd like to see
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  Speaker 3: some out some offense from the outfield, and.
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  Speaker 4: Who else who might leave out here?
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  Speaker 3: You know, And again it's if we're you know, we
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  Speaker 3: don't know whether can turn it's going to be one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent close to it or Aronato. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to mention them. We're talking about guys beside them,
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  Speaker 3: and I think really we we kind of hit on it.
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  Speaker 3: I you know, Victor Scott's been going, okay, it'd.
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  Speaker 2: Be good for them find series.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be really good for the cars if he
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  Speaker 3: had a good series in Chicago. But it's really going
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  Speaker 3: to come down to Burlison and Donovan and Neotbar because
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  Speaker 3: they just really need that. Those are essential pieces to
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: this offense. So you don't ask a guy to step
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  Speaker 3: up who's basically, you know, incapable of stepping up. Mason
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  Speaker 3: in as well, Mason Win's got to keep doing his thing.
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  Speaker 4: He's been hitting. He gets frustrated, though.
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  Speaker 3: These are the guys that are gonna have to you know,
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  Speaker 3: carry deliver the mail there. You know, there's no no
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  Speaker 3: way about it. It's a boring answer, but it's true.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, right, It's all I ever needs to set up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, And I wonder for as effective as
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: pedro Pa has been behind the plate.
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  Speaker 2: You and I both know this. We've talked about it extensively.
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  Speaker 1: Do they swap and poe one day and try to
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  Speaker 1: make up for the offense, but know that you subtract
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: some defense?
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  Speaker 2: Like what game are you trying to play there?
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  Speaker 1: I saw a tweet I can't remember who it's from,
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  Speaker 1: but something about how the Cardinals need to figure out
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: a way to blend pedro pahes and you Joel Pozzo
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  Speaker 1: into one catcher, and they'd have like the most elite
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  Speaker 1: catcher in baseball. So I do wonder if if Conturras
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  Speaker 1: and Arnado and or are not available on Friday, do
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  Speaker 1: we see Poso in there to just try to get
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  Speaker 1: some offense going.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that dude can hit balls that are like
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  Speaker 2: fifty feet above the above his head. I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: He's so much fun to watch.
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  Speaker 3: It's true, no matter where you throw it, he's good.
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  Speaker 3: He'll whack it into left field, right drive it up
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  Speaker 3: the middle. I mean, you know, I don't mean to
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  Speaker 3: be the old guy here, but you know, when I
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: was a kid growing up, I mean, the Pittsburgh Pirates
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  Speaker 3: had a great, a really entertaining catcher named Manny Sangian,
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  Speaker 3: and all the announcers used to say, you just watch
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  Speaker 3: this guy like the worst, the worst thing, the worst
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  Speaker 3: thing you can do.
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  Speaker 4: Like, in other words, the worst thing that can.
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  Speaker 3: Happen to him is if a pitcher actually throws them
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  Speaker 3: a strike, because if you throw it right down.
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  Speaker 4: The middle, you don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 3: But he's ripping line drives on you know, pitches that
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  Speaker 3: are like three three feet outside and pitchers that are
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: in on his hands, pictures are at his feet, and
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: there are guys like that in baseball, and Poso definitely
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: seems to be that kind of hitter.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: Those guys are fun to watch. By the way, he
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: is fun.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I love when he pinched its.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there, we're probably gonna have some scoring
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: opportunity here. But for really, though, to this series underscored
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: to me once again the importance of having Anyvon Herrera
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: in that lineup. Yes, they are really missing him, and
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I know one series does not take away from all
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: the growth at Burlison and Gorman have made, and I'm
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: not suggesting that at all. I actually think the series
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: is very much an anomaly for the Saint Louis Cardinals.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: But when this offense is searching again five shutouts in
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: their last eight games, you really start to miss the
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: impact bats and you really start to miss Herrera. So
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: there hasn't only been a status update for what he's
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: been doing out in Saint Louis. Still expect to be
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: at least multiple weeks before they're even considering a rehab assignment.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: It's been a tough blow, and you know, I think
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: this also makes it more difficult because it's July. It's
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: trade deadline month. There's a lot of hype over big
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Cardinals should buy or sell. And this is why it's
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: really hard to kind of predict what they're going to do,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: because much like this whole season, they're up and down
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: and we probably won't know the direction the Cardinals are
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: going to take or what they should take until just
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: before the deadline. So basically, Cardinals fans, I'm telling you,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: get ready to ride the roller coaster that we normally
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: we've alread adjusted two of the wins and the losses,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: but of the trade deadline speculation and rumors as well.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And keep me in your thoughts because it's hard for
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: me too.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm already unstable enough, and then you're throw them
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: an unstable job.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: It's just all around a mess.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I read your You know, you're as always a terrific
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: piece at the Athletic about the trade deadline preview, and
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I actually kind of felt bad for you from the standpoint.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: From the standpoint it's like, well, I know the Athletic
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: editors want all the beat writers to say, well, this
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: will be the team's approach at the deadline, and well,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals it's all up in the air. And you,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, you did a really good job of like
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: explaining why it's all up in the air.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: And as much as we all want to say, okay, buyer, seller,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: do both, what do we do?
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: You know, it's impossible to answer that question in a
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: conclusive or coherent way right now.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Correct, And it's gonna change. It's gonna change literally every week,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: if not every day.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Cardinals fans not listen, man, I
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: should say social media fans.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: You know, the Cardinals aren't a roll and it's like, oh, man,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: go all in. This team can go a long way. Now.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: They get they get you know, they get knocked around,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: bopped around by the pirates and as the season's over,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: fire everyone.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like the Cardinals are a big time
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: roller coaster. There is no question about it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is the thing that gets you really
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: really this season is nuts. That this season is crazy.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: These these offensive fluctuations are incredibly intense one way or
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: the other. You know, in their in their last less
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: and excuse me, their last ten losses, right, the Cardinals
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: have scored four runs totals in the last ten losses.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Now and their last eleven wins, they've scored five or
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: more runs every time, and they've scored seven runs like
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: seven times out of the eleven.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: So when they're going good, they're like unstoppable.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: But when they get cold, it's like the worst offense
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: you've ever seen.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: They get cold.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: So I mean, like when I say it's like they're
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: a team of extremes offensively, I'm not embellrassing.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: They really truly are.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. They are, Bernie, So just get used
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Cardinals stands, you know, like we said at the beginning
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of the season, not going to be boring, No, and
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: it's not.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: It's not no, it's this is all part of the drama.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: This is a very dramatic season in a lot of ways,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: much more dramatic than we.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Could have envision right.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, and again, not to be fred Bird here because
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: everyone knows I'm not that.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: But they're forty six and forty one.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: They're five games, No, they're forty seven and forty one.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Seven forty one Yeah, yeah, okay, sorry.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: There's six games over five hundred. I mean I would
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: have taken that if you would have said, you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: if you would have asked most Cardinals fans. All right,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: this deep into the season, would you take a team,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: you know, being six games over five hundred.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I think the answer would be, well, heck.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But now because we've seen that their splin is actually
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: probably higher, the expectations change. So that's a baseball susan
• 19:36
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  Speaker 1: All right, to the friendly confines of Eurglyfield, we go.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals have set their probables. It will be everyone
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on turn. Miles michaelis on Friday, Matthew libertore on Saturday,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and the club is planning to start Eric Fetti on Sunday,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: despite two really horrible starts by Fetti. Now here's one
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: thing that I do know. Miles Michael's pitching on the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: fourth of July. Just I feel like set something up.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I just feel like that's gonna be a good outing
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: for him. I sometimes the storylines right themselves, so for
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Cardinals fans, maybe that will help.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Libby has looked fine. He looks really good actually, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Eric Fetty.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I do wonder if the Cardinals can get some length
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: out of Miles and Libby and leave the bullpen in
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a good place. I don't think they'll go full full
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: bullpen game on Sunday, but I wonder if that would
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: change how Fetti is being used, because he is just
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: so predictable right now. He's getting hit so hard that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Cutter especially. I do wonder, Bernie, if the Cardinals could
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: do maybe a short leach with Eric Fetty and if
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have it early, just go all hands on
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: deck with the bullpen, especially knowing they have the off
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: day again on Monday, they're.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Gonna have to do that. I mean, look, Fetti's a
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: nice guy.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Nobody feels worse than him, and he's also got a
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: lot at stake personally because he's going to be a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: free eight.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: But it's just not there.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, and really, he's been getting away with a
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: lot of stuff all year, you know where you know
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: his stuff is simply not that good.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Every metric will tell you that. So yeah, I think that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: There's got to be a little more urgency in this series,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: not only because you're playing the Cubs and you don't
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: want to let them like run away from you. But also,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: just coming off this clunker of a series in Pittsburgh,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, pardon the cliche, but the Cardinals have to
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: make some sort of statement at Wrigley Field that says, no,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: we're still here, We're not going anywhere. But I think
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Ali is going to have to manage accordingly, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: be really aggressive and really proactive, and manage with a
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: very strong.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Sense of of urgency. Sorry, i'm stammering today, so.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Because you know, we've all lost brain cells over the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: last three days.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: That's right. I haven't even had a cocktail yet. I'm
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: already stammering.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So anyway, well on my way to the airports.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: About change, No, you know, I think you're right, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's something the Cardinals are weighing. Look, Eric
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Fetty was as honest as you could be after a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Monday start where he said, I'm just getting really predictable.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving a lot of pitches up. When Eric Fetti's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: at his best, he's low in the zone, getting weak contact.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: We know this. He's the same ground ball prototype of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys on this staff. You don't have.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Success as a ground ball pitcher, if you leave pitches
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: up in the zone, they get crushed. And he started
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: doing that in the last two starts. And yes, there's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: expected numbers predicted that something like this, not to this magnitude,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: but better or worse than what he was doing was
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: on the horizon.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And I think there's a certain level of.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Skill if you're Eric Fetty that allows you to keep
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: those expected numbers the way they are and your actual
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: numbers lower. But lately, and this is why both outings,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: things filed on him so quickly. He just started leading
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: pitches up in the zone and could not pinpoint the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: location of the cutter specifically. He said, I was getting predictable.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting thigh high middle middle, like those are not
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: competitive pitches, and they were not. So that's the key
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: for Fetti is to clean that up, get back low
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: in the zone where he lives, spike the ball in
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the dirt.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Anything is better than thigh high, middle middle.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And if he starts showing that against this potent Cubs
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: offense at Wrigley Field on Sunday Night baseball, we all
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: know the balls are inconsistent. You know, I'm not going
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: out and publicly stating that, but expect, especially if the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: wind is like blowing out, that's going to be a
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: really poor recipe for success.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: So I would expect.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: My speculation is it's short leashed for Eric Fetti if
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals can get there, Miles and Letvey have to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you know, go along post in order for even that
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to be a possibility.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I have to say, you know, in all
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: candor real quick, you know, it doesn't exactly fill your heart,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: our heart, my heart with optimism when two of the
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: three games are being started by on Michaelisenfetti. However, however,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: the Cups are kind of a weird team. They are
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: much much better offensively on the road than they are
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: at Wrigley Field.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: That's strange ballpark to hit at.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: And it's true the numbers are conclusive, and yeah when
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: the wind's blowing out, but the wind doesn't blow out
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: as often as it used to back in the olden
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: days because of maybe all that construction around the ballpark.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: But so famous last words, but I actually think maybe
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: you know, pitching at Wrigley Field for those for those guys,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know why the Cubs underperform there,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: and it could change at anytime, but who knows. You know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: that's a good way to win two out of three.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: You surprise them with Michaelsenfetti exceeding expectations.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: But I ain't gonna lie. I don't have high hopes.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: This is not the series to come into with optimism
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: after what we saw Cardinals fans, so I do understand.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: But you know what, let's all take a mental reset.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: We'll go into the off day. Everyone, like I said,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: everyone needs it, including me. I can't wait, and you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have a very fun holiday weekend in Chicago.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: A short one for you guys today at Cardinal Territory,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: but I very much have to catch this flight. We
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: will have Michael mcgreeby on the show Friday's episode. Yes,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: as we know pro Michael McGreevy podcast, he will make
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: his Cardinal Territory debut. He just threw six shut out
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I means from Memphis on Tuesday in Nashville, and he
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is the first player ever. When I asked if he
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: would like to do his podcast to reply, yeah, that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: would be sick.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's a good thing, right.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Usually it's like yeah, I guess, so I'm just going
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to say that maybe he's really excited about it. So
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: we'll see and then Bernie, of course, we'll be back
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: with you later at the end of the series.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: And just a quick footnote on the way out. With
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: all of this going on, there's one thing that is outstanding.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I know Katie Wu's got.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: To do some work, I get it, right, But Katie
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Wu is going to have an off day, kind of
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: an off day in Chicago.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: She's she's on the loose. Everybody watch out. She is
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: on the loose. So I don't know whether that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Means the stores on Michigan Avenue are going to be
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: doing some business.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that means, but.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a it's a Saint Louis Sports Girl weekend,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: both to our share from Channel four and Alexa Dad
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: but FanDuel, they'll be with me, and we're super excited
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: about it. I mean, they're not working the series, I am,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: but we have the off day together. So oh yeah,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great weekend.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Can't wait.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And if the Cardinals have some news on like a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, I need everybody to just pour one out
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: for me and pray for me because I probably won't
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: be any state to handle it so well, I still
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: take the day off.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds it sounds good to be I know
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: you have a good time and hopefully there's there is
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: no there is no bulletins that require urgent writing and
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: reporting and all that stuff. So anyway, thank you, thanks,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: thank you's always enjoyed being with Thanks.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great episode and yeah, Michael mcgreeby on Friday, stay tuned.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys, we'll be back later in the week.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Ti