Latest / Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald / Fake Pregnancies and Blake Lively’s Regrets with Dave Neal

Transcript

Fake Pregnancies and Blake Lively’s Regrets with Dave Neal · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Every used car has a story. Some sellers tell you everything.
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Some leave out the spicy chapters. Before you buy, check
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: the car's history with cartel.ie. Uncover the bits that might
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: be missing from the story, from mileage history and previous
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: damage to outstanding finance. Because the wrong car can cost
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: a lot more than the check. cartel.ie Don't buy the story,
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: check it.
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales for real life. Mr.
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: Saving Serial Data and Serial Sisters.
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: You'll be addicted and addicted.
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: Fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up.
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: Woo, woo.
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Yes,
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: if you're watching this on YouTube, and you better be,
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: you better subscribe, you better like it, you better ring
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: the bell, do all the stuff. We are in a
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: new studio, and I have a first-time guest, also a
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: YouTube delight, Dave Neal, flew all the way from Nashville
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: to come be on Juicy Scoop. Welcome.
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is exciting. I've got like a Bravo crush here.
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: This is, you're it. You're like, you're the mother of Bravo.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: You're so sweet. I love it because people were DMing
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: me from different sources or in comments on my Patreon,
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: on DM, on my Juicy Scoop Obsessed on Facebook, Instagram, saying,
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: you got to have Dave Neal on. He said some
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: really nice things about you. Well, when I hear that,
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: I have to stop everything.
• 1:53
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: Because I love a good compliment. So, yeah, so then
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: I watched it and I was like, oh, my God,
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: so nice. And you were just like, yeah, I want
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: to be on the show. Put me on. I'm like, perfect.
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: Well, there was a lot of meat left on the
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: bone from what Nick, your guest, was saying. And I've
• 2:10
  Speaker 3: I've I've come from the bachelor world as a commentator.
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: So there's there's always like that dissent. It's like when
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like in the political world after the State of
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: the Union, the other political party will give their response.
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: That's my video. It's always like you're wrong about this.
• 2:23
  Speaker 3: And right.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: So you did the entire almost the entire conversation about
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: Blake Lively and Justin and all that. On the show.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: And yes, so then I went back on his show
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: and I said, hey, there was some controversy, you know,
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: about people not really liking your appearance on my show
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: for some reason. And I said, I didn't have a
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: problem with it. I didn't feel like I was being
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: mansplained to or whatever. But it's always interesting when like
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: an audience member or a listener sees it differently than
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: than me.
• 3:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think people just, you know, when, when,
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: when he says, Oh, I didn't, I don't understand all
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: the backlash. Well, I'll show you the receipts. They were
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: so flippantly like this, you know, they, they speak in
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: these truths and it's like, you're sharing your opinion, but
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: we have all of these receipts that show a completely
• 3:18
  Speaker 3: different story and audiences just want some authenticity there to
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: like speak it.
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: So I mean, so I went on, she is very still,
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: very team, Blake and Ryan, he believes that, you know,
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: Justin is not a good guy, that, you know, there's
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: no reason not to believe everything that Blake has said
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: from the very start. And I was like, I feel
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: like I was a pretty balanced person because when I
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: first heard about, I'll put this up, when I first
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: heard about the Spear campaign from the New York Times article,
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: Like I've said before, pretty, pretty compelling. And I was
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: happy that it was like being exposed. And then obviously
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: when more came out and he thought back and showed
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: all the other things. So what I've always said now,
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: this is where I am now. I do believe that
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: there could have been a smear campaign. I'm not I
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: don't think that maybe it wasn't. Maybe he was like
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan with, you know, not knowing what's going on
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: in the White House type of a thing. Maybe he
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: didn't know what his team was doing and there was
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: some of it happening. I think it's possible, but it'll
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: be hard to prove. I don't think that that he
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: sexually harassed her in terms of sexual harassment. Which is
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: also a fine line. It's not assault, you know. And
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: I think he has every right to expose all of
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: it and gain his reputation that was just starting to build.
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: And then he lost the Pac-Man movie. He lost the agent.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: And get that reputation back so that he can have
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: a great career for the next 40 years. He wasn't
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: just going to crawl away. So that's where I am
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: with it. But I am also just kind of, like,
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: I am still fascinated, and I still see all the
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: sides of, like, who Blake is and why people kind
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: of love to be like, we found a bitch, and
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: let's prove it, is also kind of fascinating.
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: Well, I think as a comic, you're probably really good
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: at reading people. You have to be, right? You have
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: split-second decisions on folks. Justin, maybe there's virtue signaling that happens,
• 5:36
  Speaker 3: and someone like Nick sees that as, like, oh, he's
• 5:39
  Speaker 3: faking it. Nick wants to own the position as the
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: guy who gives dating advice online, as if that hasn't
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: existed since the beginning of time. And yeah, you're allowed
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: to change your opinion. But Nick wanted you to prove
• 5:52
  Speaker 3: why Justin was innocent versus Blake has to prove why
• 5:55
  Speaker 3: she was assaulted. And so he was asking you what
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: evidence you had. And it's like, we're all here independently going,
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: what evidence does she have? We were told this story.
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: We believed it. We all know about astroturfing. What's astroturfing?
• 6:08
  Speaker 3: That's basically like when it's a fake grassroots movement. So
• 6:12
  Speaker 3: it's like if an insurance company will hire a bunch
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: of people to tell you that so-and-so hates their free
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: insurance in Canada. They literally pay to get that conversation
• 6:21
  Speaker 3: out there so you believe that. Like, oh, they all
• 6:23
  Speaker 3: hate their insurance. They have to wait too long for
• 6:24
  Speaker 3: it or whatever. It's like astroturfing exists politically.
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. I didn't really know that. But I
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: understand what you mean. I don't think I knew the term.
• 6:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's exactly what it sounds like. It's fake grassroots.
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: And it exists. And I'm always there to call that
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: out because it's so easy how quickly people can be
• 6:42
  Speaker 3: manipulated based on one story, a couple upvotes, a couple
• 6:45
  Speaker 3: people commenting. And we were kind of astroturfed to believe
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: that Blake was this person who had all of these
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: claims against him. And then when he provided the evidence,
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: if you can't believe if she kind of like lies
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: or stretches the truth about one of those claims, a
• 7:02
  Speaker 3: jury is basically instructed to just throw it all out.
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: And it's like Amber Heard, because in Amber Heard's case,
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: she lied about donating money to the ACLU, which was
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: a really big deal. She later said, I pledged to
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: donate bullshit. She lied about it. And then if the
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: old Latin saying is like falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus,
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: lie about one thing, lie about everything. So Blake doesn't
• 7:24
  Speaker 3: have any credibility because she tried to make that water
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: birth a porn thing.
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: Which remind people of that.
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: It was just a, yeah, it was a video that was.
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: So they were talking about how we're going to do
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: the birth scene. And Justin had a video. Now I heard,
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: first I heard it was his wife. Then I heard
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: it was his friend's wife. Jamie Heath. It was his
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: friend's wife.
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: He's like the CEO of the company.
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, and he was like, we could do something like
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: this or something?
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: Beautiful, spiritual, shot from over the top, water birth video,
• 7:51
  Speaker 3: nothing like through the legs, nothing, you know. And like, yeah,
• 7:54
  Speaker 3: here's the tone. And anyone who's worked in film, you
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: have the vision board. And she threw the pornography term
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: out there. Like, they were trying to just share porn
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: with me without any elaborating that that wasn't the truth whatsoever.
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: So as Justin, like, systematically responded to each claim, the
• 8:12
  Speaker 3: whole audience goes, wait a second, were we duped? You know,
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: and the the quarter billion dollar emoji, the emoji that
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: that was the upside down smiley face, which shows sarcasm,
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: was redacted from the text messages. That was Blake Lively's
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: biggest claim, which was just inside saying we can do this.
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: You know, we got her whatever. Oh, you got me
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: like in an infection, just being sarcastic because. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: Who who did the emojis?
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: It was Justin's PR people were basically texting back and
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: forth saying like, oh, this story's, you know, this bad
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: story about Blake. Oh, that's the work of us or whatever.
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: When in fact it was just organic people that had issues.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: And the emoji was to say, obviously we're joking.
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: And then that emoji was not part of the New
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: York Times article to show.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: And their claim is that when you export these through
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: a subpoena, the emoji goes away. And it's like, well,
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: the emoji is kind of important.
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, text messages are just such a huge
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: thing now when they're like, we want to see your correspondence,
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: this and that. Hence why I always am like, if
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: I have an issue with somebody, I'm like, can we
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: talk on the phone? Always. Now, of course, you could
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: still record that, but it wouldn't be able to be used.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: And I don't know why so many people continue to... Like,
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: I know... As someone who's older, I've been told if
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: I call someone, they're like, that's really aggressive that you called.
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I live in California. You have the time. You're driving.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: Get all your calls in.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do talk also because there's been times
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: where I would do like, okay, and people would like, go,
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: Heather's a bitch. Like, she just wrote okay. And I'm like.
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: Or, like, the thumbs-up emoji of responding to someone. It's like,
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: I guess I'll go fuck myself. It's a big deal. Like,
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: that thumbs-up or that upside-down emoji is a big deal.
• 10:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: And how did they get the text in the first place?
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: How do you get a subpoena when there was no
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: court number yet? So there's a lot of questions that
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: they don't have answers to. And the New York Times
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: hides behind, like, freedom of speech, freedom of press. But
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: at what point did they not do their due diligence?
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: They gave Justin Baldoni 10 hours to respond. I mean,
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: imagine if you got at 10 p.m. on a Friday
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: to respond. They scrambled to respond by 11 a.m. the
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: next day. December 21st, you're baking cookies with your family.
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: They find out they uploaded the article anyway and the
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: video to go along with it. So they weren't going
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: to share his side.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: And then we also just have to think about the
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: first few weeks of his life just crumbling in front
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: of him.
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like, you know.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: And William Morris can say, oh, that's not why we
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: dropped them because of, you know, Ryan and Blake. It
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: never is. But throughout my life in this business, I
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: have seen when someone has been let go from a
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: TV show I've been on, all of a sudden, the
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: agent of the host also then dumps that person.
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they have mouths to feed, too. So, like,
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: they're going to protect Ryan Reynolds at all costs.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Even if the boss or even if the more powerful
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: person didn't pick up the agent and say, you better
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: dump my ex-husband or my ex-employee, even if they didn't
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: say it, it happens sometimes to please the bigger star.
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: Implicit decisions.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: To please the bigger star. And so it has this
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: effect that there isn't an email that says from Ryan
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: to the agent, you better dump. There isn't anything like that.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: And there might not even been a verbal phone call.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: It just is like, separate. There's a conflict of interest
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: here and you'd be better served, you know, someplace else.
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: Almost like don't even force Ryan Reynolds to make that call.
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: Like do it before.
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: Like Ari Emanuel is a billionaire. You don't, you know,
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: you don't make 10% off of Justin Baldoni and become
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: a billionaire. It's the action. It's the Deadpool money. It's
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: like that big international merchandising and like, that's the beast.
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: And yeah, they, and they, and they're only going to
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: hire people like synergize people within the agency and all
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: of the co-stars and, Brandon Sklenar is with WME, and
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: I think he's a good actor, and he's in a
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: lot of hit shows, 1923, so the guy's on his
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: own trajectory to be a Helmsworth style, but they're all tight-lipped.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: And this is what I hate the most about Hollywood,
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: because there's a lot of things I love about the
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: creativity and collaborations here, but everyone's tight-lipped trying to protect themselves,
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: and it's like, who's going to have some balls to
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: just say what's right, versus jump on what's safe to
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: say and then back away?
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen it happen so many times in
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: my own life, just on very tiny scales. But when you.
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: Do speak out, everyone will then DM you afterwards and
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: be like, it's so brave of you. But they don't
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: have that. And you'll be rewarded for it in the
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: long term. Even if he gets blackballed from WME, he'll
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: have an audience if he can make a good movie.
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: It'll make its way to the audience.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. With Ryan Reynolds, I've said this. I'm like, because
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: the Deadpool, I don't know what the deal is. Are
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: there like, as many that can go on. Could there
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: be like 12 more?
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: They can do, I mean, it's huge.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: They can just do it forever, right?
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: And he's going to make that 10% or whatever it is.
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: The agency is going to make such a killing off
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: of all future deals and merchandise.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: And if there's another Deadpool, my kids aren't going to
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: be like, my, you know, college age sons aren't going
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: to be like, you know what, mom? Absolutely not. Don't
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: put that on Netflix because I don't think I like
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: how he treated Justin Belder. Like it's, The audience isn't
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: the audience that cares.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: It's like throwing a lawn chair off the deck of
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: a cruise ship. This is an international audience. They're making
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: a billion dollars for a video.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: He's not going to be hurt by this.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: Universal rides with the Deadpool. He might be, to some extent,
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: he'll take a PR hit, but I've always said Blake Lively,
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: best thing she can do, if she made it all up,
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: give a great apology, go take some time off and
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: come back with a nice arthouse movie. people will forgive you.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: Like they will. People online will say, no way, Dave,
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: that's not the case. Most people are pretty reasonable. They'll say, boy,
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: whatever you got caught up in.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: What could she say? I think the only thing she
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: could say at this point is, you know, for the
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: sake of my mental health as being a mother of four,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: I want this chapter to end. And I want Justin
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: to go on and be successful. And I want to
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: put this movie and everything behind us. And therefore, I am.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Redact. What do you call it?
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Redacting.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: Redacting.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: But I don't think that's enough for him.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's enough either.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: So I don't. She has to say, I'll tell you,
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: I'll give her the million dollars.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Tell me what she has to say.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: She has to say, I got it wrong. I read his,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: I read it wrong. I felt triggered by this person
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: who is of a lower level than me. Like she
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: has to go full out. Yeah. He's lower level. He
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: doesn't have as much career, like knowledge about the experience.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: And here he is directing his scenes, telling me what
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: to do. I read it wrong. I got triggered. It
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: brought up a lot of, bad shit. I see my
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: husband and my best friend as billionaires leading their lives.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: And I feel like I'm you know, working at a
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: pay cut on a smaller film. So like, that's on me.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: She has to make it all about her and say,
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I read it wrong. And when I looked, when I
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: looked at it from a new light, I realized he
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: was just doing his job and it's a difficult and put,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: make it, make it about, Oh, it's a difficult position
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: that he's directing himself in a sexually charged scene. And
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: now I realize, I realize now, like she has to
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: come to these realizations.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, for, I also think she's in a
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: marriage where, um, they, they have, they, I, I do think,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: They'll stay together forever. If they were to break up,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: it would have happened by now. And she would have
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: used that like I'm separated from Ryan. Ryan is the
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: one that like got weirdly jealous and to placate him.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I kind of exaggerated or I again misinterpreted something and
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: it got out of hand. I never wanted to file
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: this thing. I don't think that's going to happen. That
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: would have had to have happened like a month ago.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: It would have been, it would have been very helpful
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: if this happened. Yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: A month, but it's not going to. And I think
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: they really are like two peas in a pod. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: think they are like completely the same kind of type
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: of person, girl, you know, girl, boy version of each other.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, but I don't know how it's, I
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: don't know how it's going to go away at this
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: point because you're right now.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Why would I, why would I go? Okay. Now, Itching. Burning. Soreness.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: When you know it's thrush, you want it gone. Treat
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: the cause, not just the symptoms, with Caniston Combi. Ireland's
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: number one thrush treatment brand. Caniston Combi Pestry and Cream
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: contain cotrimazole.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Always read the label.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Number one based on volume sales data.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: To verify, contact info.ireland.bayor.com.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: filed against me. When your free will was about to
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: be taken from you, what would you do if it
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: was given back?
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: you had.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: To succeed in order to feel loved? He said, I
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: have a work debt.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I need a home debt.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: go through.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: It's about what happens next.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: You're worth the work.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Listen. Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it shakes.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: And they say they say like you mature at the
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: level of that where you received your fame. And, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: when you do comedy, you spend years grinding and like
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: learning a lot and losing your ego and all of that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Let's know a little bit about you, but you're a
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: stand up.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You guys were here. You have a young wife and baby.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: And then you started your channel. How long ago?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I've run my YouTube channel for a very long time,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: but it started becoming my full time job during the pandemic.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: And I started making daily videos, which turned into daily podcasts,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: now twice daily podcasts.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: So now you do stand-up still?
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So go on.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you just grind it out and you learn
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: what it's like to be sort of in the background.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I worked as an extra on Gossip Girl and Jane
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: the Virgin. You learn what it's like to make $ 100
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: a day freezing your ass off in the winter in
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: New York.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And did you have any firsthand knowledge of how they
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: were perceived as stars?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Well, my wife worked on... as a stand in on
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the show, too. And before we even met, we all
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: kind of worked in the same ecosystem in New York.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: And we both had the same vibe, which is she
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: looks unhappy. She looked unhappy back then.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: And, you know, you give you give grace and you go, well,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: maybe she's just trying to memorize her lines.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: But then everybody's got a story about how they were treated.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: They were like early 20s, but treated as like teens.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: They kind of played into that rich teen character where
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the production assistants had to just get off they would
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: hand out like these video games for them to play
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: give us your video games back you're going to set
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: you know how it is with first team like we'd
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: like to invite you to set once you get started
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: treated once you get treated with those white gloves you
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: start to like think that you've earned it and I
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: just see that it came so easily yeah and she
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and as she says she's like I don't I want
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: to be more than an actor. And it's like, I
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: get it. Once you've acted a little bit, you don't
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: get the joy out of just reading somebody's lines. Everyone
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: wants to become a director and have creative control.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: And like, that's what comedy is great. You would never
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: recite a bit from somebody else, even if it was
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the best bit in the world. It's like, you want
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: that ownership over it. And so she, whatever dopamine you
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: might get from the quick paychecks of being a TV celeb,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: that goes away quickly. And it's like filling up that
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: dopamine with the next thing. And she sees Taylor and
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Ryan as these monoliths that have done all these great things.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: And I can understand that being this character who's just
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: like in that movie is not all that challenging for her.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: But like, it doesn't give you the right to have
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: that kind of collateral damage.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because- Yeah, the first role that she played
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: was like a bitchy, entitled girl, privileged girl. And it
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: was so believable. Also in A Simple Favor, very believable.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really liked that movie. And then also
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: he always played like a kind of a cocky dick.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And so then they get together. And I also think
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: he thinks he's funnier than he is. And, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: they had some success with some clever tweets when no
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: one else was tweeting. And I think that she also
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: thinks she's really funny and she's really not.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Like his character is is so great because he's like
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: comedy adjacent straight man.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: And by that, I mean who we played on that
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: SNL when he was like, wow, what have you heard?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: That's perfectly his character, like right in his zone. And
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: she doesn't pull off comedy outside of what probably her
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: like inner circle. She's probably like really funny. She in
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: like a mean girl way. But when you take that
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: brunch mimosa mean girl funniness and do it in front
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: of like on a panel where you're making fun of
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Leighton Meester for like your mom went to prison. It's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: like that's when you.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Were born in a cage.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm like, yeah, you think that it's funny
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and you're not thinking it through that. This could be
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: extremely hurtful, painful. I mean, maybe, you know, maybe.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure she gets less.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I just got how she's going to get out of this.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: She's going to say I had a late in life
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: diagnosis and I'm on the spectrum.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Go for it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: And I misunderstand social cues. And I misunderstood his social
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: cues for something else.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I mentioned postpartum anxiety, but it's like, and people say, well,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: but she was like this before. Sure. But this is
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: the boiling point. This is the flew too close to
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the sun, whether it's spectrum or some sort of anxiety.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: The mind ruminating can do crazy things. We're giving her
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: a million outs that are plausible. The truth is most
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: people aren't psychopaths. Most people don't inflict damage with no
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: feeling whatsoever. It's more of an anxiety and maybe a sociopathy.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: But it's like she probably thought she was in the right.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Also, if your spouse is jealous and you know his triggers, whatever,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I think then she may have been like, oh my God,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I am not flirting with him. In fact, he's creeping
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: me the fuck out. And then said things are exaggerated.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And then he clocked all that and did the Deadpool
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: thing and it pissed him off. And then when they...
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Believed that there was an active campaign because she's waking
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: up at three in the morning crying about another TikTok
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and another video that makes her look like an asshole.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: And then they go look into it and he's like,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: F this guy. He doesn't even know. And in the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: moment she might have felt like, oh, my hero, Ryan.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And not really sitting down and really thinking it through. Yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And how the public would possibly consume it or not.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Well, because, yeah, he knows the equity he has and
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: the leverage that can go on behind doors. And that's
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: what that initial complaint was. Don't do all of these things.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: They got Baldoni. They got him by the balls to say, like, well,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you're not going to come back to set unless you
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: agree to these things. Right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So there was that letter. There was the letter before
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: when they took the break for the strike, I guess.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And they had our... So that is where... it does
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: give her some legitimacy. Like she did have complaints, right?
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: But those complaints were, were not, there was no valid complaint.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Like they hadn't even done these intimacy scenes yet. So
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: the complaints were kind of like signed under duress in
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: protest by them because they were saying like, we have
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: to agree to these. Like, of course we wouldn't do
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: these things.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: The producers you mean?
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And so when they, when they then took that complaint,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: that was, that was like a big deal to have
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: that and force them to, kind of acquiesce and give
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: her all this control. And then I don't think any
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: of that was supposed to come public. That was just leverage.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: And then when it does go public, it's like it
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: just blew up. And then they received so much backlash, obviously,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: because Baldoni had the receipts to defend himself.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And one of your videos that you did, you got
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: a letter from somebody. How did you find the letter
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of someone that actually worked on This is us. It
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: ends with us.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those were all just anonymous things posted online.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: But they did go, there were things posted months before
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: the smear campaign started.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Right, that was it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I see the smear, I see
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: what she sees as a smear campaign. I'm like relaying
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: it as like jujitsu. He knows what she can do
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: to him. So he's getting this crisis management ready. That's jujitsu.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: It's self-defense, right? He's not learning this jujitsu in order
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: to attack her. He's just trying to be ready.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: So you think he got the team, but never did
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: anything with it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: He knew he was going to get like me too.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: And he knew what was going to happen after the
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: premiere in one way or another. He was prepared that
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: this could happen. Okay. Because I, and again, I think
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: assuming that, assuming that she never provides any credible examples
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: of harassment, I think that he knew she had this
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: over his head. And at some point she's, in calling
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Hoover can try to get rights to the film. I mean,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the film made a quarter billion dollars.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: The second, the second. Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: So like if there's a morality clause.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Does he still have rights to the second one?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I believe so. Okay.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: And so the morality clause would have been able, if
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: this had gone through and he would have crumbled and
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: walked away, then he would have walked away from the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: rights to the second one.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And then they could have done something with it. She
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: could have played the part.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: And I've been so generous. All I've said, Blake Lively
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: needs to convince me is a text message to her agent,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to Ryan Lively, to anybody i know if my wife's
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: at work and the thermostat's set too cold i hear
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: about it right you go oh it's fucking freezing in
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: here the lady well you know you hear about it
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: in the spot find me a time stamp from that
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: window of when this would have happened yeah you know
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the hr complaint would be would be a nail in
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: the coffin but find some piece of evidence that wasn't afterwards.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Well the i mean the other thing is when it's
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: when things like that are happening you don't know it
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: it it's uncomfortable and you don't always share it in
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the moment and you maybe don't want to share it
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: with your husband at that time.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: A best friend, but agent? Like your agent, your SAG rep?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: But I also think in saying that, which will be interesting,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: is was she saying it to the Jenny Slate who played,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you know, the best friend? Was she saying it to Isabella?
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: But was she also saying it to plant the seeds
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and kind of Bitch about the boss. You know what
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I mean? And because the young girl, Isabel, who played her,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: she said she spent the night. She hung out with her.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: There's videos that people have done in which she clearly
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: has lent her earrings to wear on the red carpet
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: of hers and kind of like marking her like you're
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: my little girl. you know, little sister, niece, whatever. And
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: you're not, you know, I've been so wonderful to you.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: You'll never not go against me. That's why I'm like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I do think it needs to be a trial. Yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, because I do think we need to put
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: all these people on the stand, including Taylor, like Taylor Swift.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I think we do. I think we need to have
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: these people deposed and they're all like, being quiet and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: not saying anything because they don't want to be dragged
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: into this thing.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: They all, for the most part, commented. Brandon Sklenar did.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: People commented before Justin's response.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Saying what?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Basically in support of Blake. And then since Justin's response,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: silence is deafening. If it was bullshit, not one person
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: has been like, hey, this is more nuanced than we thought.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: And it is like a game of chicken where they
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: cut the brakes. The brakes are cut. Because they're going
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: full speed and it's a game of chicken and who's
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: going to flinch? And Brian Friedman, Baldoni's attorney, is like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: we're not settling this one unless you get one of
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: those insane apologies. And the most lawyers that know these
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: things go, it 99% has to settle. Like, it has
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: to settle. But, like, who's going to flinch? Right. And
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: that's why we got a year.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And then what would the settlement be for? I mean,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it's not going to just be for $ 100, 000. It would
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: have to be for millions.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I've heard $ 100 million. I've heard 50 to 100 million,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: which they have.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Is what Blake and Ryan would have to offer.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Along with a real apology. And it would have to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: be negotiated like this has to be not like no retracting,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: like not like, well, no, it has to be like, hey,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I got it wrong.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think that you can convince these two with
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: their personality type to do it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Which makes it crazy.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I think it will go all the way. I really do.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I hope so for the sake of... I mean, I
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: hate to say it from the gladiator perspective, but it's interesting.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And I've said this time and again, and these types
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: of conversations can really annoy the pitchfork mob. In some
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: cases where they're like, no, go F her. It's like, no,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: if she does apologize, people do... I mean, look at
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: some of the politicians that have done some crazy shit
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and apologize like Anthony Weiner's like still in this world
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: like there's crazy like apologize go away to some treatment
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: thing come back in a couple years like I said
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: knock it out of the park with a with a
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: period piece movie go play a different character and like
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: you'll be redeemed in one way or another audiences will
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: like the comeback but you have to admit wrong you
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: have to stop digging to find your bottom.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly. And in this scene, you know, someone said, look,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: she's biting his bottom lip. And then I was like, oh,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting, too, because she had done that
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: one text to him, like, always without teeth. I'm like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: is she referring to that? Is she referring to... hand
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I'll blow you like what was that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: They're gonna and this is and if it does go
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: to trial you'll be analyzing these moments and there's going
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: to be the before this seat like that you know
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: they roll before they yell action and then afterwards audio
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: yeah yeah and then he goes cut and then he
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: goes and does his thing but he's like she she
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: had claimed that oh he was speaking to me out
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: of character and you know when you know how it
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: works as like actor director We've all, if you've ever,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I've done make-out scenes.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And also, you did sexy scenes with Ben Affleck at 21. Like,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you've done all these things. You were like, no, I'm good,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: not meeting the intimacy coordinator before. And it's all those things.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's all kind of circumstantial, but it's not,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: what is the crime? Like, what is the lawsuit? Like,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: it's just so gray.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: And look, I've been on set pre-Me Too and post.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And it has been a big change where they block
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: off Video Village. And for the people that don't know
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the difference, like pre-Me Too.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Explain Video Village.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Video Village is where they'll have like three or
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: four monitors of what's being shot and the directors around them.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: But what would happen pre-Me Too is if there's a
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: nude scene, you got the teamsters are showing up, the
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: crafty guys walking around. All of a sudden, the 90%
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: male audience in the crew is just like around set. Lurking.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe with their own camera. Like all that stuff's happening.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Now they have the rules where they put up the
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: drapes and they block it off. And I've also done
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: intimacy scenes where I'm standing in for someone where there
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: is violence in the scene. And if you don't properly
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: alert everyone to what's going on, yeah, people do get
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: abused or triggered. I mean, it's dark. You're reenacting monstrous things.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: And you don't have necessarily safe words. But now with
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: intimacy coordinators, they try to get everyone on board. But
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: this is an instance to show, well, you got to
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: get a little bit more precise.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: And and but like Justin did the right thing. He's
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: got the audio, the video. I mean, how many times
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: when there's a he said, she said, do you have
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: three cameras rolling? So I don't think that benefits her.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: She she she threw the first punch publicly and it
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: was a solid punch. But because he's got backing and money,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you know, with Sarowitz, his billionaire backer. He's able to
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: fight a fair fight. And that's all it is, is
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: a fair fight at this point. Right. You know, she
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: tries to make it seem like this is workplace issues.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: She was in the power position. She made $ 3 million
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: where they were all making 10% of what she was making.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: She was the one who could name the negotiations and
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: be in charge. And now it's just a fair fight.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: And audiences don't buy her side. And that's fair. Like,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I think that's a fair position to be in.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Very fascinating. Okay. I also want to talk about this.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: This was Clayton. He was the bachelor. And there was
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: a crazy story about a woman who he dated who
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: claimed to be pregnant. And you... Have a big story
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: about it. So tell me, why don't you tell the story?
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Because some people will remember hearing about the story. Remember Clayton?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: He was on The Bachelor probably what, like eight years ago?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Not even. No, post-pandemic. Oh, okay. Yeah, several years ago.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: But right at the fall of like influencer culture. Like
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: didn't get that Matt James bump. Like he... He was
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: kind of plucked from obscurity. He was like not a
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: top finisher. And people were like, you know, he was
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: on the show. And afterwards, he had several fake accusations
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: about him, you know, where he had to prove that
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: he wasn't even in the same time zone as the
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: person who accused him of stuff like standard TikTok stuff. Like, oh,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I banged The Bachelor last night when he was dating Susie.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: And she's like a wedding videographer. So she's at a
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: wedding finding out he's cheating on her. He uses his
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: GPS from his Fitbit to prove he was in Phoenix
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: when the accusation was in New York.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And these are just girls making up lies for fun.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Made it up. Doubled down on it. And he was like,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: don't make me get police involved. So he had already
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: had these accusations. So when this new one comes out,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: they used too much of her information in the article
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: that it was easy to identify her. They called her
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: a Scottsdale based podcaster who had her own TEDx talk.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: They were immediately able to find out it was this
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: lady named Laura Owens. So her story was that he
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: was the father for unborn twins. So I cover Bachelor
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: every day. This story wasn't big enough for like the
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Daily Mail. Like, I mean, but it was in The Sun.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: It was like, which isn't necessarily credible. So they ran
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: with her story. She immediately gets exposed online because the
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: story didn't sound right. And Clayton's response was, hey, we
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: only had a blowjob. And so they start calling the
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: turkey baster babies.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And so wait, because the story I remember is, so
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Bachelor ends. He goes to Scottsdale. He becomes what everybody
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: becomes when you're an influencer to form a reality star,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: a realtor.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: And so he's a realtor and he is getting paid.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Some clients and people calling because they're like, he's hot,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: he's famous. If I'm going to look for a house,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I might as well look with him.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Right. Which no reasonable person would put their hands
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: of their most valuable, their life savings with someone who
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: just got their real estate license two weeks earlier. So
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: he literally just gets his real estate license. Then they
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: hook up.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: So then she goes, she calls for him to show
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: her house.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: And claims like, Oh, I've got, I want to actually
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: do like a duplex and something. I have all this money, whatever.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: And he's trying to, he's like, Oh good. I kind
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: of could have my first sale.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Please.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: My broker says, They and then they go out and
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: it leads to a BJ.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Right. Two BJs in one night. Right. One night and
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: maybe the next morning or something.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: But no, he claims no penetration.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Not even close. So once he shares this story,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: people go, whoa. And the initial thing in the in
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: the the the son was how she claimed she called
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Scottsdale police because she was afraid for the safety of
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: her unborn babies. Very chat GPT soap opera.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: OK, so then so it ends and he breaks up
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: with her.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: He tells her like, hey, we can't be doing this.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: And he said that he said her face changed, which,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: by the way, I feel like in some ways could
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: be the same thing with Blake, like getting like absolutely
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: triggered by denial. And it can and it just and
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: he said her face changed. And then a few weeks later,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: he got notification from her that she was pregnant and
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: she did test positive on a pregnancy test, very faint positive.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: And so he sent that to him.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And so I start covering this. Um, as a
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: story comes out, I immediately get met, get met with, Hey,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: you better cover this fair. I'm going to sue you
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: by her, by her. And then we go, all right,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: we'll cover it fair. But now that it's getting pub publicity,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: cause people found out who she was. Um, this other
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: lady named Ashley, I, she just like bad-ass she's, she
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: finds Clayton and says, Hey, Laura did this to my
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: now husband or my partner. So, So they are able
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: to link up and find out that two years previously,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: she said she was pregnant with twins with this other
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: guy whom she also got restraining orders against. After that,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: we're covering this. Oh, my gosh. And then Laura Owens
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: is emailing me. That's all private information. I'm going to
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: sue you. And like, you don't know. I had to
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: find out that that's not private. And and then we
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: find out Mike Maricini from 2016. She claims she was
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: pregnant with.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Who is he? Just some random guy?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: But just this all-star of a guy. But he's not famous.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Not famous. He's just like a tech bro in San Francisco.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: And she claimed all these crazy things about him. And
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: she made a TEDx talk where she was a victim
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: of DV because of him. And we start piecing this
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: all together. She ends up suing me for harassment. She
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: did file a lawsuit. She filed an injunction against harassment,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: which she later dropped hours before we were supposed to
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: be in court. With the agreement that I wouldn't solicit
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: anyone to hurt her. And then two hours later.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Where did you have to go to court for it?
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: It would have been the L.A.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Court.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: But at this point, I had moved to Tennessee. So
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I was negotiating with my attorney to basically like I
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: was ready to show up. I had my refundable tickets
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: ready to go. And then she backed out last minute.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: So did you have to spend money on an attorney?
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I spent ten thousand dollars. But here's what's here's what's interesting.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: And this is why the audience is like the main
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: character here. As Clayton was going through his trial, we
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: found out that it was being live streamed. Family court
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: live streams, like little video.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: So now they're in court where he's proving I am
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: not the father.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: He's trying to prove he's not the father.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And are there real babies around yet?
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: She's pregnant. So she shows up to court with a bump.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: But it's a fake bump.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: So, yes. And she's doing a teleconference. So she's showing up.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: She's afraid to go in person. So she's literally there
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: standing up. on like a standing desk for like an
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: hour and a half hearing, rubbing her belly. And there's
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: video of her like moving the belly. And, you know,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: we're measuring.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Is it as good as the same one that Beyonce had?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Remember Beyonce's belly?
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Well, first child.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: We're deflated. This was robust. And we were measuring fundal height.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: You had you had you had nurses like trying to
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: measure and look. And she she's it's wild.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: So we're watching this play out. Clayton, they had to delay.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: They couldn't get through the hearing because it was like
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: so much information. So they were like, we have to
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: come back in a week. And I text him and
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I go, dude, we watched that. That was insane. And
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: he's like, wait, you were in there? He didn't know
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: it was being live streamed. So he was defending himself
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: and doing it. a good job for a non-lawyer but
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: they were objecting to things he didn't have the proper
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: sort of way to communicate in his defense right i
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: was like dude we got to help you like let
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: us get some money together so we did a gofundme
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: race 10 grand like that for him really we hired
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: greg woodnick The attorney that represented the previous victim, Greg Gillespie.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Her previous victim.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So Greg Woodnick knew everything about her already because
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: he represented a client who had the same allegations, but
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a public, like a famous person. So the
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: case didn't really go anywhere. Greg Woodnick, the attorney, was
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: accused of conspiring to R-word her. in an alley. She
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: emailed the attorney back when it was Greg Gillespie going
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: to trial. She emailed the judge, excuse me, saying, I
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: fear that he's trying to do this. And she accused
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: the lawyer of these crazy things. He had never met
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: her in person before. And the judge said, you cannot
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: do this. Like you have to do this through the
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: court system. So the judge made that email public. So
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: you can see the emails of her going, you know,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: full like nuke on these people. She did the same
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: thing to me. She called the FBI on me, accusing
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: me of revenge porn. I've never seen a naked photo
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: of her. I've never shared any. I've only shared her
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: belly bump that she tried to share with people. Basically,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: she claims I'm no longer pregnant. So they were like, well,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: the paternity case is moot. That's done. But we have
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: to argue over who's going to pay the bill. So
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: they still take it to trial. And she gets subpoenaed.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Eight different medical people she was supposed to have seen.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: They all turn up. No one saw her. The only
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: medical evidence she has was the HCG test she sent me.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: And I didn't know what it meant at the time
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: because I was in the Maldives on my baby moon.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: But I go through the documents. Her public HCG test
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: is a 102, which is like day two of being pregnant.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: The HCG test she sent me was 143,000. And that's
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the level of hormone that's in your body, which means
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: you're pregnant. So she doctored it, and she later admitted
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: to this in her deposition. She doctored it to try
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: to get me off of her back, but she says
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I was still pregnant. So no one knows how she
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: tested positive for pregnancy other than, you know, she could
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: have driven to Mexico or bought horse fertility drugs. Who
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: the hell knows? But she knew she could pee on
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: a stick and test positive with multiple of these men,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: even though she only gave a couple blowjobs. So Mike Maricini,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the final nail in the coffin is... Her attorney's claiming
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: he's a liar. Now, he's been harassed, accused of all
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: of these things for years. He was like just accused
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: of being this monster of a guy with no resolution.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: But now because there's light on the story because of Clayton,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Mike goes, you know what? He was like, I actually
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: have text messages from her. I forgot I had. And
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: we're like, what? He's like, yeah, I got this old laptop.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: And we're like, oh, my gosh. And her lawyer got
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: her to do an affidavit, you know, which is like
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: a signed statement saying I never faked these things. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: he goes, no, you said you had ovarian cancer. So
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: we knew we had to do this the right way.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: So we raised another five grand, hired a forensic expert,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: a guy that they bring to trial for government forensics.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: He was in the military. And I was like, don't
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: even open your laptop.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Now, are you doing this all, or are you talking
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: to Clayton every day?
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I communicated with him and with the other victims, but
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: this is driven by the audience. They're able to find
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: the needle in the haystack I could never find.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: He must be so incredibly grateful to you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the whole community. Okay, continue. So we get
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: the laptop, and Mike's like, I'm afraid to open this laptop.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: It's connected to my iCloud. Maybe it all goes away.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah. So he gets it to
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the forensic guy, and they find like 4,000 pages. They
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: verify every text message. She faked ovarian cancer. she faked
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: the doctors who were writing her letters claiming she had
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: ovarian cancer. One of the letters from the doctor, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: they were real doctors, but she faked it all. One
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: of the letters was like, we think that in order
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: to recover from this surgery, your boyfriend should spend time
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: with you. Like those types of things. But in the moment,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: when you're panicked, your rational brain shuts off. So in
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: the moment, this is like insane. She also faked being
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: an agent, like a lit agent. She faked her father's agent,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: this guy like, I don't know, David. I don't remember
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: his name, but it was a Jewish guy. And she said,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: you know, she said, there's a podcast they want us
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: to do, a radio show they want me and you
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: to do, Laura and Mike, that's going to pay you $ 400, 000
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: a year. So she like was coercing these men to
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: like stick around with contracts. So she went from radio
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: contract to real estate contract. So when it comes to Clayton,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: he tried to run away from her. And then she
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: kind of like complained to the real estate board because
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: he didn't submit an offer she wanted because technically he
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: was still her agent. And he's like, just get her
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: away from me. I've had this job for three weeks. Right.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: He tells his boss and they're like, it's just a
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: fantastic story.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: So how did it finally end?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: She lost and owes him $ 150, 000 just to court fees.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: And she's now filing an appeal. Her attorneys had like
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: probably over five or six bar complaints against him. including
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: one from the judge. Cause the attorney started talking mad
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: shit about the judge and tried. And we were all there.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Like I was in Arizona, but a hundred people showed up.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I reported live from it. Like we followed this thing
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: to the end because this dude is like, he messed,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: he messed with the wrong, like he really did mess
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: with the wrong people because like the bandwidth in today's
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: world is like, I will continue to make content and
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: monetize this and fund my innocence along with these other men,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: as long as I need to. And, you know, some
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: people in the bachelor world are always being obsessive. But, like,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I had the threats of these crazy things against me.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: So I had to prove without a shadow of doubt
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: that I'm doing, like, real journalistic work here. Right. When
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: no one else would. And this is the problem in, like,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: today's world is there is no small media. There's no, like,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: local newspaper. You know, so, like, people get away with
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: things until it's too big. And she just slid under
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: the radar. And I always say, like, the irony is, like,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: she flew too close to the sun, which is– hilarious
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: because it was in an article in The Sun. But
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: it was like she flew too close to the sun.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: She she outpunted it. She just she went too far.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: It got some publicity and folks like me and my
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: audience stopped it.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: It's it's fascinating. I'm so fascinated. I mean, people would said,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: you know, sent me this story when it was happening
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and everything. And I was like, oh, my God, I
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: agree with you. This should be a documentary if it's
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: not already in the works.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: They're fighting over it. And but she's still going to
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: sue me for emotional distress. She won. She sued Greg
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Gillespie for emotional distress.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: But didn't win.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: No, but it still cost him a lot of money.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, whatever. I'll pay in two seconds to
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: defend myself. But she's lost a bunch of weight. So
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: she lost the emotional distress suit to Greg Gillespie because
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: she didn't have any receipts of why she was distressed
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: because of him. It was all loosely connected. So now
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: she learns and evolves her lawsuits. So the most recent
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: thing is her father has Parkinson's. And by the way,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: her sister had a baby the previous year, so she
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: stole ultrasounds from her sister. She sent us video of
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: her father touching her belly, which we were able to
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: find out it was her sister's belly, like, because we
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: were able to, like, match moles. You know what I mean?
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Like, the internet.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: She sent me a video of her dad in the
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: hospital rubbing her pregnant belly. But when you look at
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: it on a desktop, the video shows, like, from the
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: nose down, not the chin down. So we were able
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: to see that it was her sister. And, like, ever
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: since I kind of caught her on all this, she just, like,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: She still plays victim.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about just filing a lawsuit against
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: her for emotional distress of all the shit she's put
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: you through? And then go stress her out.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Well, the truth is the victory. So I'm happy to
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: just be on the right side. But it taught me
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: a lot about myself and my audience. And they're with
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: me for life. And that's why they're so loyal. Because
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: they saw that we were just trying to do our best.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: And she hassled me. She emailed all these other podcasters.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: That's why part of my beef with Nick Vial is
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: he says like, well, we covered the case. Clayton tried
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: to get Nick to cover the case for months. He
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: needed the help in October. And Nick covered it in January,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: like when it was safe to cover it. So she
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: was already sending everybody like basically cease and desist saying
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: if you, and people have sent them to me like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: if you share this, I will sue you. And I
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: was like, fuck you. Like, we're going to share the
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: truth here. How am I going to let, and this
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: is what you learn about like some aspects of reality TV.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Everyone's in it for themselves. I come from a sports world.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Comedians back each other. I knew if I really ended
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: up getting sued, I could probably try to call on
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: other comics who have bigger platforms to help me out.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: But in the Bachelor world, there were few creators that
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: would cover it. My friend Caitlin Bristow had me on,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: God bless her, from Off the Vine and shared her audience.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: So certain people have that justice mindset, but coming from
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Greek life, right? Where people help each other, unions, SAG,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: you help each other. In this instance, it's everyone else
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: but myself. Almost nobody wanted to defend Clayton, even though
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: they knew the truth. And I was like, I'm sorry.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I used whatever sort of political equity I had within
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: my community and audience to try to pressure people to
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: cover it. Got me in some trouble because people were like, man,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: fuck you. We don't need to fix his mess. But
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is wrong. Like we're watching something happen.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: That's just wrong. And the audience got that even though they're.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: What's Clayton doing now?
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I think he's got, he's got a podcast and he
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: does like fitness. Like he's a real strong guy. He
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: was like, you know, played, played pro briefly. So like
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: he does a lot of fitness stuff. And I think
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: he's just trying to get his story told. There is
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: some things in the works. I'll tell you afterwards, but
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: like that will lead to documentaries.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, is he just so grateful to you?
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah, I think so.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I think it should be more so.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, I got my thing out of it,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: which is like, I got the proof. that like, well,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: you know, what's interesting is there was a lawyer that,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: or a journalist that interviewed me for what I think
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: is going to be a hit piece on the Blake
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Lively case. And his biggest thing, and he was very,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: and I recorded the whole thing because it's like a
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: one party record state in Tennessee. So I was like,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I need this in case like he tries to twist this.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: And he was like, why do you, why do, why
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: do you think people deserve to like, care what you
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: have to say about cases. Like what gives you the
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: power to be someone who has like an opinion? And
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I was threatened with $ 120 million lawsuit.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: And I, and I, and I proved my myself to
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: be telling the truth. So like, I think there's some
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: credibility there and that's all we have, right. Is our
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: batting average. We'll get something wrong every once in a while.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I have a bad take, we get something wrong, but like,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: it's all about in the content world, like what's your
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: batting average of trying to get it right. And with
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: this case, I just kind of was the, the Patsy
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: who got stuck in the middle of it because that's
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: what I cover. But what a fraud I would be
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: if I didn't cover it. Right.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: But it is a very stress for me. It's very
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: stressful when I've been in those situations and I have,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and you know that you're right and you know, you
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: will prevail, but you do wake up in the middle
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: of night and you're like, wait, what? Worst case scenario.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: This is pretty fucking awful.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Like really get to feel what the panic, like in
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: your DNA, we have this survival mentality. And here I am, like,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: late 30s, finally got to buy a home. Like, you
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: know how it is, the grind in comedy. Finally, four
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: years of chugging on YouTube, finally got to buy a home.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: And now I'm getting threats, like, a month after I
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: closed on this home that she's going to graze her
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: horses on my property. I mean, he called us all
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: these crazy names. And he did it all publicly. And
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: then private emails to me.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: So she's still just living in the parents' house. Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And the appeals in the process. Oh, so then afterwards
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: we do a campaign kind of like how we got
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: on your show here today. I told my audience, I
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: was like, let's reach out to Rachel Mitchell. She's the
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: county prosecutor. Laura Owens isn't being investigated by the county
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: prosecutor right now for different crimes. So even though she
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: was flying under the radar in this family court, you
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: can't lie like that. And not many people get charged
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: with perjury, even though there's clear perjury. But it might
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: come down to maybe some of the medical crimes, some
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: of the medical fraud that she committed. She admitted to
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: like doctoring images and placing different, you know, laboratories.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: This is like the ultimate like, you know, Dirty John,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: but a Dirty Jane. Like because it's not it's like
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: women who get taken by like a Dirty John, like
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: for money or whatever. It's always just weird and embarrassing.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: And men that get taken by a woman, it's like, well,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: you should have known that this young thing was a
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: gold digger. But this kind of scam that women do,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: faking cancer, faking pregnancies.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Those are the two things they fake because no one
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: wants to ask questions.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: And also faking pregnancies. That's been happening since... biblical times, like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: you know, like people, women do it. Can you imagine
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: the day though, where I had the ultimate attention I
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: had to get on my YouTube and say, I think
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: she's going to fake a miscarriage next. I had to
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: say it before it happened because it was crazy. And again,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: by the way, nobody.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: In my audience knew that my wife was pregnant at
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: the time, because this was back in October, right? We
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: didn't announce it yet. So like, I'm learning a lot
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: about how all of the medical things work and ultrasounds.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Well, also you going forward though, you had to I
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: 100% believe what Clayton said and that he did not
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: possibly ejaculate inside of her, inside of her vagina.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: None of the evidence led to that. So I just,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: all I was doing is following the evidence. And I
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: was like, I'll change my mind. But like, where's the ultrasound?
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: You know, and she ended up showing some like, I mean,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: she ended up providing some Photoshopped evidence that was like brutal,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: that it was like so... way too late but never
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: death certificates never I mean she stole she stole like
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: it was she committed.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Fraud and just how they pick how someone who has
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: multiple victims chooses that victim over and over again um
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: yeah it's it's just it's three.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Active protective orders they all have against them still and
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: there's other victims Matt there's a guy named Sean a
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Native American contractor a non-sexual victim that like she duped
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: out of $ 100, 000 worth of like construction work Yeah, there's...
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: And it's really.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Hard because, you know, people see it as, like, a
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: victimless crime because it's a guy and you dated this
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: crazy bitch and so what. Like, it's hard to get, like,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: a prosecutor excited about something like this.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: There's bigger things, yeah.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: There's always bigger things. No one was murdered, you know, like, whatever.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: And that's why they get away with it for so long.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: That's why the Scamanda... podcast and documentary, this girl lied
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: about cancer on and off for 15 years until she
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: finally got caught.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: And people don't come forward.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And tormented, like, the mother of her stepdaughter along the way. Like,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: it is just, but you're right. And that's why when
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I like to expose, like, wow, this Jay Shetty's origin
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: story is not true. It's not fucking true. And like
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I had the journalist from that story and I was like, God,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: nobody cares.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Ruby Frank story, people, the journalists were smearing
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: all of the content creators that ended up exposing child abuse. No, look,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: people get it wrong, right? There's plenty of TikTokers that
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: get it. Like the Boston bombings, everyone was going after
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: like every dude that had a backpack on, right? Like
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: the internet sleuths can get it wrong, but like they
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: get it right too. And we need to be able
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: to like take the, take when they get it right.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I'm saying there's certain stories where I'm like,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I can't believe people don't care more about this. Like
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: if I, if I do it in my one of
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: 10 stories and then I like the next morning, I'm like, Oh,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: people are going to be like excited about knowing that,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: you know, The Mel Robbins story of Let Them came
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: from this girl, Cassie Phillips, who came up with this poem.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: And still some people will be like, it doesn't matter, Heather.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Let Them's been around forever, and she just marketed better.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's okay, but then she should have
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: said that. She should have said, I saw this poem,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: or give her credit, or not try to trademark it.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying....
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Well, there was a time.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, look, look, this is, we've seen
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: this thing happen over and over and over again where
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: this person becomes so hyped up and da, da, da, da.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: And then it's just, it's interesting to watch, like doing
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: the show for almost 10 years. I'm like, okay, let's
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: see where. Let's see where she is. And I don't
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: have like a big thing against her. You know, like
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: if she wanted me to come on her show right now,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I would. But I would say, why don't you give
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: this girl a little more credit?
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: You know, but that's that's the democracy of comedians.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: If someone steals a joke.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you. Oh, we were talking about the same thing.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: But, you know, when someone stole a joke, all the
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: comics know you shun that person. But if someone's funny,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: even if they're hack, you're like, hey, they got a
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: standing ovation. What do you want? It's a clear cut.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: There's justice. Yes. And we kind of have unionized on
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: protecting the, I hate to say, but the art of
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: it all. But the art of it.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: But the people that aren't that, they don't care. They're like, well,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: you know what? I don't think the joke was funny
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: when you said it either.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: That epitome of America's Got Talent, where they wanted to
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: give one comedian's joke to another comedian. Because they're like, no,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: that's not how it works. And they're like, well, we
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: don't get it. What's the big deal? Like they don't
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: you don't always understand. It's like that's all you have.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Wait.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: OK, this is a good story. So I was I
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: was testing for this pilot and actually Eliza got it
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: over me. Eliza Schlesinger. But anyway, so this is a
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: long time ago, like over 10 years ago. And Howie
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Mandel was there and I was like, oh my God,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: we love, my kids and I love watching America's Got Talent.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: And he's like, what do you think of this comedian
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: that's doing well? And I go, oh, it's funny that
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: you say that. I go, because she does a lot
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: of the same impressions I do. And then I go, oh,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: but I'll predict that she will do Heidi Klum soon
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: or whatever, you know? And he goes, what do you think?
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I go, well, I'm like, a lot of people can
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: do the same impressions. I think the comedy comes if
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: you can come up with the person you're doing the
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: impression of, a really funny point of view that is
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: their point of view, but also, like, it's the writing,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: because a lot of people can do Drew Barrymore or whatever.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Like I can do.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: And so then, anyway, so I don't get it. Eliza
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: gets the pilot. And then my agent at the time
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: calls and is like, hey, they want to know if
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you'll write for her.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: And they're going to pay you $ 250 or something. I'm like,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: I am a headlining comedian.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a comedian would never pitch that to another comic.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: And I was like, and this girl is doing the
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: similar impressions. I'm like, no, I'm not going to.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: And you think I need $ 250? Yeah, let me help
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: her pass me.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: After I just didn't get the hosting thing to pilot.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I was just like, the fact that you're asking me,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: you should have never asked me. It's so insulting that
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: you even asked me. And then it pissed me off, too,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: because They made a big deal out of the fact
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: that she stayed home with her kids instead of pursuing
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: the art of stand-up. And Howard Stern is like, oh,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: you know, like, of course, that's, like, so amazing. You know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: you're such a good mother. So now that you're having
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: this huge opportunity at 40-whatever. And I was like, that
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: pissed me off, too.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Versus the grind you've been on.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Because I'm like, yeah, guess what? I didn't, I missed
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the fucking baseball game while I like worked on this,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: but somehow, oh, let's just like, and then let me
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: like write this. And the girl is, I don't even
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: remember her name and she's perfectly talented. She might still
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: be pursuing it. She might not. It doesn't matter.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's how they frame the story. But it
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: was just kind of like, so I should have taken
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: five years off.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: No, like, yeah, like 20 years. Yeah. I should have
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: just stayed home and showed up on America's Got Talent.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: But of course that's all the show and you know,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: it's all. And honestly, in today's world.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: I can sell more tickets than someone who did five
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Conan O'Briens. It's like it doesn't have the equity it
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: used to. But comedy, you're supposed to make it look easy.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: So people go, oh, yeah, what's the big deal? It's like, yeah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: that took a lot of work to get to that point.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah. And it's true. All these people now do
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: their live shows or whatever. And I'm like, good. Let's
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: see if you're still doing... Your live podcast tour or
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: your Q & A, like four years from now. And
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: this is what's interesting. Let's just see, but make your money.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, make your money while you can make
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: it because it's fleeting. You know, if you've been on
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: these reality shows, we see it. It's like some people
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: can make it last. But I even said to Nick,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, What happened to all those Bachelor podcasts?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: There were like 20 and they were all on iHeart.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: How many are left?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: They were just bad. I mean, they were bad.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't know how many are left.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I think there's like three. I mean, if you want
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: to count him, Caitlin, and then like maybe there's two
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: others that are like hanging on. And I'm just like,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: that's fine. But I'm just like, yeah, so go make
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: your money while you can make it.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: When you're exporting the drama, like when what you have
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: is like, if you're Tom Sandoval, what you have is
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: like one good interview after Scandival. Right. Then you don't
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: have anything. But when you're doing what you do, like commentary,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: you can replicate because you're creating the commentary. You're not
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: exporting the drama that happened to you.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: So you'll find these big podcasts that are like huge.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, when Rachel Kirkconnell went on Call Her Daddy.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's Matt James's ex-girlfriend. It's like a cultural moment.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: And he was also The Bachelor. Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: It had like 50 to 100,000 people watching live. It
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: was insane. But then like, you know, you tell the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: story and then that's it. The story is over and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: it takes the wind out of the sails. So a
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: lot of The Bachelor. Yeah.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: She's, you know, she's cute and everything. I yeah, I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: kind of I now I think like save your story.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: for yourself save it for your book like save it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: like you know but also you know of course she
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: wanted a good one and she it was therapeutic whatever
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: but yeah like where is she well she's.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: Super talented as a designer and in fashion so like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: she's collaborating Rachel is yeah designs her own swim line
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: so like it's not she's not a podcaster but she's
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: got like a thing and was one of the last
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: people to get a big audience from the show and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: so you don't get that if you have 40,000 Instagram
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: followers like you don't get those collab deals that she
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: gets because she was in the Wait.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Rachel, Matt James' girlfriend, is a bikini designer?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: She's designed some of her own bikinis and does different
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: fashion collaborations. Oh, good for her.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Because I just thought she decided to be the girl
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: that's constantly eating with him. I didn't know that she
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: had any house going. And I was like, how is
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: this girl staying so thin? I know. She has to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: constantly eat fried food with him.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: She went through a crazy experience. And it definitely changed,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: I think, who she is.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: I just came across on TikTok him... like barking at
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: her about making the putting the ketchup in the ranch
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: or whatever and people like use that as a sound
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: and they're just like my i'm forever triggered by matt
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: james and i'm like to me i think he's done
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: well i don't know yeah with.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Those you don't know what's serious and what's not because
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: it's like is this some sort of like andy warhol
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: like you don't know what it is and um And yeah, he's,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: they're just so lucky that they were on the show
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: when you could get a million followers that the post
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: Hannah Brown, Tyler Cameron world, you don't get that now.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: So it's like your opinion, like, sure. Like he, he not,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: they knock it out. Like he, he does good with
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: his social media, with his like foodie stuff, but like,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: so do a million people that don't have a following.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: So you get this audience and then you try not
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: to lose it because once you're done, like once you
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: go through the breakup, audiences go, all right, unfollow. We're
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: done following that story. Like what can you bring to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: the table then? So like it's good when you can
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: parlay it and keep it going.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Do you think like the younger people now know like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: maybe don't go on The Bachelor? Like it's not a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: good thing to go on? Because I like, I do
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: think it is kind of a weird, like I went
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: on a show called Studs. And for a long time,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: I regretted that because I felt it turned off guys
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: that I went on just a one night dating show.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't sleep with anybody. It was just a it
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: was a strip show. And it was like two. There
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: were three girls and two guys and you all went
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: on a date. The guys had to guess what you
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: were saying after the producers like help write it. And
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: then if you each pick each other, you supposedly go
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: on another date, whatever. And I was just like, you know,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: and I always thought that watching Bachelor like is that's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: going to hurt your dating life. later on to be
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: taken seriously. And also now you have this first engagement.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: That's not going to be your engagement with someone else.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: It doesn't count.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: And like, is this really like, I would definitely not
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: want my kid to, I used to joke and say like,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I wanted my kids, my sons to be the bachelor
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Now I really wouldn't.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: It's so, the show is so dead right now. It
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't deliver the way it used to be the Cinderella story.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: And now because like the post pandemic, people got a little,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: little kind of wild and like, you couldn't do like,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: you'd get cancer. Like I hate to say the term canceled,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: but you would get a lot of feedback and angry people.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: If like you do the wrong thing. So like, all
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: of a sudden guys like Matt James are like, no
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: one's hooking up in the fantasy suite. You know, they like, they,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: they make it, they kind of know to protect themselves.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: And I think the audience, if they just let them
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: be a science experiment and let, let them be, go
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: with your craziest desires, it would make for better TV.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: So now you're watching shows like we talked before, Temptation Island,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: which is like if every episode was a fantasy suite
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: times four, because there's four couples that are all dating
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: hot people. And then they get to see cameras of,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: of what's happening. So like you try to like, to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: not like cheat on your partner. And then all of
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: a sudden you see your partner like selectively grinding with someone.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: And then you're like, well, if that, and then within
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: three episodes, everyone's hooking up and you're like, Oh, it's
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: just like crazy.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, and your parents are like all watching this.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Insane.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Well, there was a Spanish version that went viral like
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: a few months ago where the guy watches his like
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: love of his life cheat. And he's like, and I'm,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: I don't even speak Spanish, but I could understand. He
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: was like, poor guy. He's like running around. They're fighting
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: and then trying to kiss. And it went super viral
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: because it was like insane to watch. And I don't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: know how anyone who works on those shows sleeps at
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: night because it's horrible, but they sign up for it.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Like they know what they're getting into. So Netflix now
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: runs temptation Island. I don't know who used to have it,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: but Netflix does a good job. And it's like, No
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: FCC rules. None of this bullshit Bachelor on ABC Disneyfied stuff.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: It's like legit insanity. And you're watching it play out
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: and like it's feeding this inner thing in all of us.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: It's like a safe space for us to feel these
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: feelings without being the monster that did it.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: So who are all these girls that will go on it?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Are they like all OnlyFans chicks and they're like, why not?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Every relationship is like on the fritz. It's like we've
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: dated for a year and a half.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: No, but like the temptresses.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: They're just young. they're young for the most part. And
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: And just have nothing else going on.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: And even though, even though you have all of these
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: experiences where like people get burned, you're still like, Hey, yeah,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: I don't have much going on. I'll do it. And
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: that's what the, I mean, no one makes money on
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: the bachelor, but the lead, they all go on for free.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: They get so, they get so exposed. They don't even get.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: That's why nobody has like good jobs or anything. Like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: that's why no one really is a cat.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Any bro. That's working a normal job.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's not going to leave their job for two
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: months from finance or.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: That's why they need to open up their wallets and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: pay someone like a Rachel Kirkconnell to come on, which
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: she wouldn't. But like Maria Georgious was like perfect contender.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: She's like, look, why do I want to go on
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: the show, sign a two year contract? You're going to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: pay me one hundred and twenty five grand after all
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: of the agency and taxes. I'm going to get 50
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: grand when I could just do a Taco Bell ad read.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: So for two years, you're under their contract and you
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: can't do any work outside of that. So why go
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: on when you can just make your own money? and
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: not have to deal with all of the feedback you
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: get from the show. People have to be honest. I've
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: only experienced a tiny percentage of what it's like to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: be snarked on online. But they go through a very
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: difficult situation that nobody is willing to sort of admit
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: because they get some followers out of it. So now
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: you take those followers away, which they're not really getting many.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: I think this season, no one's got more than 40,000 followers.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: And it's like, who wants to do it? So they're
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: going to have a hard time finding people And if
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: you don't have good cast, the show's worth nothing. And
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: then these other little like niche shows are just like.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: What do you think will happen? You think they will
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: just pay people like 30 grand to do it?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: I honestly don't.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Like each contestant will get. I always think it should
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: be you get paid more just like a Dancing with
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: the Stars the longer you stay.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Which would be great.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: If you make it to the end, then you walk away.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And then you're also your motivation is to really make
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: this guy fall in love with you. whether that's true
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: or not, who cares? You want the TV to, you know? Yeah. So,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I think I would do. I'd
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: be like, look, there's all these unemployed Gen Z people.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Why don't you go on the show? See if you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: can't find love. And, worst case, case scenario you minimum
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: make 10 grand that to somebody out of school that's
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: a big deal and they got to be on tv
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: that's what they're gonna have to do they're gonna have
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: to pay reality stars but.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: More yeah they just are and and that's just capitalism
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: right like good people don't don't want to go on
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: pay them more and be a little bit looser with
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: the contracts they can sign because yeah no one wants
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: to go like they can't what do you like no
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: one would want to go on that people can make
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of money doing their own thing and also
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: they're kind of lazy with how they find these people
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: like they, they, it's like they let people submit they
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: need to go find the right people that are like
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: the chaotic people in their own scene doing their fun
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: right yeah do a good job of finding people and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: you can resurrect the show i mean you get two
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: hours a week for like nine months out of the
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: year six months out of the year where abc has
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: a show to run so like they don't abc doesn't
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: even care if it loses money because it's just like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: a time slot to fill so it's not even like
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: the show could succeed even with a smaller audience but
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: you're seeing i mean they just like let a couple
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: producers go there was this whole issue like they need
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: a original like unique uh fresh take on the show
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: and not like i'll pay you 20 bucks if you
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: throw someone's like purse in the water like audiences are
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: smarter than that like they're done with the contrived stuff
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: oh like the little dumb fights yeah So so I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: don't think I mean, the show will die if they
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: don't do that. They the only reason they could get
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: people on the show as contestants is the reward of
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise, which they took away last year. Bachelor
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: in Paradise is coming back this year, but they canceled Bachelorette.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: So it's like what's going to take off? People love
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor, but then Golden Bachelorette was a dud. It's
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: so reliant on like an all star lead grant isn't
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: really giving.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just hard for guys to.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I remember when they first started The Bachelorette, I was like,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think this is going to work. I don't
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: think guys will try and care that much to get
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: the girl. And it's true that they didn't. On The
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelorette, they became friends. They've become friends on the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: other stuff. They are like, it's not really in their MO.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: But girls cutting each other's throats and wanting to be
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: with a guy, as pathetic as it is, exists and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: it's more believable. So I would say, yeah, don't bring
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: back The Bachelorette.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: But that's why Paradise is so good because it's like, oh,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: you don't want me? I'll go to that guy. And
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: there's more. And that's why more relationships come out of
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Paradise because there is more friction to create.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Now I feel like Paradise has a lot of competition
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: when it's the temptation, the love is blind, the whatever,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Hot Island or whatever.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: People want to watch the sexy love.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Wait, which one did Ariana host of?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, that was, I think, Love Island.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, Love Island.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those shows, they're all, like, super sexy. They're shot well. Even, like,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: FBoy Island was, like, shot in a really, like, sexy way. Whereas, like, Bachelor's, like,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: blurring their butt cracks and it's on network TV. It's just, like,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: really no longer, like, we're not really expecting these relationships
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: to work out. But, like, sometimes they do until they don't. But, like, boy,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: their batting average is, like, 4% workout. Like, brutal.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: All right. What do you think? We're going to end
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: this here. What do you think about Meghan Markle's new
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: show and what's the prediction for you?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: I've heard the negative takes and I can just go
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: back off of my wife's feedback. She loved it. My
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: wife doesn't like to watch the drama that fuels me.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I listen to podcasts where there's five dudes yelling at
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: each other. She just likes the NPR, highly sensitive person thing.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: So for her to watch a mom cut onions is like,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: That's what she's into. And I think that's the market.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there is for all of that.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Just like, you know, it's like, well, it's not for
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: you then, you know, if it's, um, I can see
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: why she did it. You know, people are like, why
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: did she do this? And it's like, why doesn't somebody
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: ask her, um, ever bum that you left the palace? No,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: she's not bum that she left the palace. Cause I've
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: been saying this a long time. She's a California girl.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: She got there and, um, what she said was true.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: They were, they were staying in a cold place. It
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: wasn't as fun as she thought. The obligations were sucky
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: and boring. And it was like, people are so what?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm not even going. Yeah. And I'm not like,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: where is this going to go? And then I think
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: she was like, or we can go to Santa Barbara
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: and be the Kardashians and like own our own shit
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: and get away from like, I'm not saying what she
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: experienced before, wasn't real and difficult and hate and all
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: that i think it was all true and she had
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: every right to convince her husband to get the fuck
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: out of england i mean how many women have like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: made their husband leave the hometown to go near their
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: mother and how many like that's what she basically did
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: she went back to la where her mom lived like
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: that is i mean how could you the royals and
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: their brothers are broken up and i'm like but if
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: you think about it and i this is the first
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: time i've ever said it like this has happened in
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: families when, that's why people say, if you have a, wait,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: if you have a son, he's your son until he
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: meets his wife. But if you have a daughter, she's
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: your daughter for life. It's, oh, you know, it's, people
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: even say that, like, you know, the nicer grandma is
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: the mom's mom or who you see more. I mean,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: my situation wasn't really like that, but growing up, it
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: was my mom's mom that visited more. And then, you know, like,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: And I have sons, and I hope that it's not
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: like that. I have a great mother-in-law. But it's the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: same type of thing. You have kids, and you end
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: up living closer to your mom, or the mom moves in.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: That is just.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: And I think people are so mad that she... And
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: we're going to get it now. People are going to
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: be like, and I would also have gotten it. You
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: were so mean. What did she do to you? I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: don't care. She's still making a lot of money, and
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: just someone that goes... and does a podcast tour that's
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: never been on stage before and you all go to
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: see it, you know, go make your money.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: It's like free the free market.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: When you can make your money. And it's like.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Meghan Markle didn't kick anyone off Netflix. It's an unlimited bandwidth.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: They hired her because.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: And it's an easier job to go down the street
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: and do some little cute cooking things than to learn
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: the lines for Grey's Anatomy. Like it is just an easier,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: less time consuming job. And then, of course, now she's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: doing a new podcast. And this big– oh, she's going
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: to interview, you know, female founders of, you know, female bosses.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, we get the Spanx girl. Like, we
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: haven't heard the Spanx girl story. I know the story
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: of the Spanx girl. Oh, then we get the other
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: girl that did– you know, oh, we get the Foster Sisters,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: you know, who created their brand. Again, came from money.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Or we get somebody that came from nothing and started
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: making– putting hot sauce into honey and called it hot honey.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like whatever. But I'm like, I'm listening
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: to it and it's like, and it's an eight episode series.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the podcast? Eight episodes as I've like
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: gone and chugged along and done.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: It all the time? I heard her first podcast, they had,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is true, but I think
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: the theory was that they would have like a producer
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: ask the questions of the guest and then she would
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: then tape herself asking the questions and they would inter-splice
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: it afterwards. So, like, she wasn't even actually interviewing some
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: of the guests.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: It came out that, yeah, some of the guests were never, like,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: in the same room with her.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: But, like, I'm, like, a pro.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Or even the same Zoom.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Get your money. Do whatever you want. I look at, like,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: we all have these parasocial relationships. My mom loved Princess Diana.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: She just, like, grew up with that. Like, she was just, like, a...
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: She seemed like a remarkable woman.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: And, like, Prince Harry is, like, my age. And, like,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: imagine losing your mom in one way or another because
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: of the paparazzi and that toxic culture.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: You don't, I don't think you outgrow that. And for him,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: like none of us know what it's like to be
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: under that public scrutiny from such an early age where
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: like he was begging to go off to school where
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: he could just be himself. I mean, imagine your son,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: like imagine just, just that thirst. And then he meets
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: somebody who has no idea about the Royal family. He
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: probably loved it.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: She was like, Oh, she pretended to have. Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: But in, again, however the relationship works, it doesn't work.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: I like, I stood in on suits for the pilot
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: before it moved to Vancouver. They shot it in New York.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: And like, she was a normal person. Like everyone was
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: just trying to remember their lines. But like you said,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: they're shooting 12, 14 hours a day. They got to
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: remember six pages of complex, like legal lines. And you know,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: like there it's a real, that was a really like a,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: every actor on that show had someone they hired to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: like help them with their lines because it was so aggressive.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: Who wants that?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, I don't like, you know, I just
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: think that people were fascinated by her and like a
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Blake and, you know, like a Hilaria, you find out
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: some things that seem to be inauthentic and you turn
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: on her because women are like, you know, why should
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: she have all these opportunities? I can make a rainbow
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: out of fruit. I can interview a woman on a podcast.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get the hate too from women that
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: sometimes I think, are like, why Heather? She mispronounces someone's
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: name all the time. Like, why should she be making
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: any money?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: And if you get to this level where you're under
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: that scrutiny, that's part of, I guess, sadly, like the
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: collateral issues of getting to live your dream. I always
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: just say hurt people, hurt people. And I think a
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: lot of snark, I do think snark is mainly female based.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Men are brutal. Men will tell each other to go
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: kill himself. A woman will tell you why to kill yourself.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: And like men are tough. Like I listen to sports
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: talk radio. They're brutal.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: But women, you guys have mastered the art of getting
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: under people's skin with the, with the snark pages and
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: It's just the jealousy. And I don't know what it is.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: It's like sad. It's why I always say where we're
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: not further along is.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Like, And I'll probably get a lot of hate for
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: even generalizing right there.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: But who cares? But I mean, I say, yeah, you
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: can get away with just doing eight episodes. Good for you.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: They're going to give you $ 100 million to do eight episodes.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Fucking good for you. So you can spend more time
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: with your kids. You don't need to work as hard
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: as I do. Then don't.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: We have an American that stole the prince. I'm surprised
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: they're not more loved. But maybe that's just like the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: pendulum swinging back.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I think nobody really cares about him now either.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Like it was but like William but his older brother
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: was like the bootlicker who stuck by the family secrets
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: like I see Prince Harry and sure he's gonna make
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: some he's an old millennial like my generation we kind
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: of like were the first on to Facebook and had
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: to navigate this weird it was just different And he's, like,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: one of the most famous people from that generation, these
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: old millennials, who, like, dude tried his best. He lost
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: his mom. Like, you see the photos of him with
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: his mom. And I just see the inner child. Even
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: as a grown adult, I see that inner child who, like,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: was robbed of just.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I feel like she, we brought her, like,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I was so excited about the wedding. Like, I feel
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: like everyone loved it. They loved that she was biracial.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: They loved that she was American. I thought it was
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: a beautiful love story. Even that she was divorced, it
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: was like she wasn't this perfect pedigree. It seemed like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: we lifted her up and then whether it was smear
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: campaigns or whatever that she's mean to the staff and
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: she made the alterations lady cry, whatever those stories are,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: got out there and to the point where they didn't
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: feel safe, their story, and they came over here and
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: now they're here and Like, she's fine, but she's kind
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: of boring. Like, she's just kind of boring. Like, probably
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: podcasting and talking and being yourself Is probably not what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: she should be doing.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Which, by the way.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Acting is probably what she'd be doing, but it's too
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: much work.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: My wife says this. My wife's a boring person, too.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: She'll tell you that. She wants to do a puzzle.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: And that's what I love, because I'm like an extrovert
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: and I'm loud. We balance each other, right? But she
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to be in the big crowds. Yeah, it
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: doesn't always fit. It might not fit into entertainment the
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: way that some people will. But you've got this Bravo audience,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: this audience that's like, but wait. Meghan Markle's not throwing
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: the drink at... You know what I realized?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I predicted that she would have a talk show, which
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: essentially a podcast is a talk show. I predicted she
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: would have a talk show years ago. I go, once
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: she gets tired of being the princess, she's not going
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: to go back to doing the hard 12-hour days of acting.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: Because acting is a lot of work.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: And that's why a lot of people... kind of give
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: it up when they can, whether you're running the Honest
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Company or Goop or whatever. Jack Shepard, he was like,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: all I wanted to do was talk to people. Yeah,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: when you don't have to do it and wait in
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: a trailer and call time at 5 a.m. and all
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: that stuff, it's not as great as people think once
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: you've experienced for a while. If you can be famous
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: and make money doing something that's less effort and more yourself, yeah,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: people want to do it. So everyone goes, oh, I'll
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: do this. I could have a talk show, da-da-da. But
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: I just think, you know, I also think women have
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: heard entrepreneurial women talk a lot. And it is not
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: something to get you up and going when you're making
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: your Etsy bracelets. It just isn't. It's like, it's not really.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: So who's listening to it?
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: But imagine as a producer looking at Meghan Markle going,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: what does it cost? 20 grand per episode? You know,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: what does it cost? And then they can live on
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Netflix internationally. Like they're going to make a killing off
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: You mean the cooking show?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. They're just going to make a killing. It's just content.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: And they said like the $ 300 pan had sold out.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: So it's like people saying it's, oh, it's unrealistic that
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: she's wearing it.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: But there's enough people that find it realistic.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Or want it. They want to expose like, oh, she
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: got those cookies. They found like the wrappings of cookies
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: that were maybe from Whole Foods that she didn't actually make. Yeah,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: that's going to exist. There's going to be some.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of the fun of it. Now everyone's
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: talking about it, so people will watch it. When you
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: watch the.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: Today Show, the meatloaf is already made. They're not pulling
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: it out of the oven here on set. It's not
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: all real.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Dave, thank you so much for coming.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: Please, thank you.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Please tell everybody where they can follow you and get
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: more of you in their lives.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: Twice a day, The Rush Hour with Dave Neal. Every morning,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: every afternoon, I do bite-sized 25-minute episodes for your Rush
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: Hour drive. And my goal is to end up having
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: like a, like almost like an Andy Cohen, watch what
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: happens live sort of like radio show where people can
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: just come on and, and, you know, have these types
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: of conversations. But I try to keep it bite-sized and just,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: you know, be there. I always say I'm like, if
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: you're like waiting for the bus, I just want to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: be the guy who's like, Hey, did you hear about
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: the wombat? Weird story, huh? So like, it's just, you know,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: that's all it is.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, we didn't talk about the wombat girl. So there
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: was this girl, an American influencer in Australia and she,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: had her boyfriend or whoever filmed her, they saw a
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: little mom and a baby wombat, and she picked up the,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I saw the video, and he's laughing, and then the woman,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: the mom wombat is coming after her, and then she
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: does put the wombat down. But they post the video,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: and of course everyone's like, you shouldn't do that. Now
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: the mother wombat might reject the baby. And then she said,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: I got the, the wombat because I thought I was
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: going to be hit by a car, which is not true.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: She doubled down on the victimhood after the internet backlash,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: like standard story. She was going to get deported, but
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: she fled the country before she got deported.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Back to America? Or somewhere.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: She was like on a student visa or whatever. But like,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: you know, she's kind of like a trophy hunter. Like
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: she has photos, you know. couldn't get a job at
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: PETA cause she eats meat. They were like, you can't
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: work here. She's got to, she's, she's finding herself, but
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: now she's going to, you know, enter that pro victimhood
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: pipeline where she's been martyred because the internet didn't like her.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: But Hey, tough time to be an American abroad. Don't
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: be rat grabbing animals and filming it. If you're like
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: the clout can go too far, like do your Tik
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: TOK dance in front of it, do whatever you want
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: to do, but like, just leave it to be. I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: always say it's like, it's like Yellowstone. Like don't touch
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: the bison.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing you could say in that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: is I'm a total fucking idiot. I had no idea.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I did this. And she a little
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: bit did, but then tried to say, oh, I thought
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: it was going to get hit. Just say, I got
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: excited and I did the wrong thing and we filmed it.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: Turn your DMs off for two weeks and come back.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Say you're sorry and then come back with a cute
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: makeup tutorial.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, donate to the shelter. just do something rewrite the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: karma and you'll be good like calm down.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah just go go away and say if I have.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: A hot take I don't check my comments after I've
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: learned my lesson just like let it be let it
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: be the internet's very loud and you can just turn
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: the volume down.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: On it exactly well thank you so much for coming
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: out here love it great convo thank you for all
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: the juice that you brought We never really covered that
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Clayton story, so that was really great.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: By the way, this is just my audition to get
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: us on Below Deck. Could we bring our families on
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Below Deck? Oh, we could talk about that.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. Thank you. Bye. Bye.