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Will Compton Mourns Nebraska Loss + NFL Week 9 Recap w/ Greg Olsen & Sam Darnold For MVP? · Bussin' With The Boys

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Speaker 1: Big weekend took place, a lot to break down, a
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Speaker 1: lot of good fun football to watch, a lot of fun,
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Speaker 1: especially in the NFL games. College football not so much.
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Speaker 1: It was more just me getting ready to watch like
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Speaker 1: the the later slates obviously USC, Nebraska, Michigan, Purdue. I
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Speaker 1: was really excited about. I didn't get a whole lot
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Speaker 1: of Oklahoma Tennessee, and I think that was because of
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Speaker 1: the dispute going on with ESPN and YouTube and I
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Speaker 1: had to bounce back and forth. That was a bit
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Speaker 1: of pain in the ass for me.
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Speaker 2: That figured out as as soon as possible, so as possible.
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Speaker 2: There was a few how to do that.
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Speaker 1: With Vandy Texas as well. Earlier in the day.
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Speaker 3: Whose side of you, guys, ow are you on YouTube
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Speaker 3: TV side or you on ESPN?
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Speaker 1: I'm on the side of get it done. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know who who's right or wrong in the situation.
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Speaker 1: I just boys, put the swords down and let the
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Speaker 1: viewer win.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're on the viewer side, you're on the customer side.
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Speaker 4: Because that that we're all the people, they kind of
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Speaker 4: take the hit. So YouTube TV was what offering like
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Speaker 4: a twenty dollars credit. ESPN wants it to go over
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Speaker 4: on their app, which, okay, they do have the they
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Speaker 4: do have the.
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Speaker 2: Sec what Monday Night Football? Yeah? What else do they
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Speaker 2: have that are like big Abc? ABC? Yeah, a bunch.
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Speaker 3: Of uh hold on greedy corporate fact.
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Speaker 4: Okay, everybody is. Everybody is. We're sitting back and watching.
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Speaker 4: We're watching like YouTube, Google, Disney.
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Speaker 1: We don't gotta cut it. We just gotta know that.
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Speaker 1: Mitch Carlsey said that not talllor one will comptent.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 1: In the world of television, everyone's trying to make their money.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely, but I know that a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 1: I had cable Will sat there and said, hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: you started, you gotta go on these streams. Like the
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Speaker 1: streaming services are incredible. You get everything you want more
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Speaker 1: and it's less it's it's less expensive all the things,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, yes, I jump on get rid
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Speaker 1: of cable. Now the streaming surface is kind of one
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Speaker 1: where everyone's kind of got something. We're like, oh I
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Speaker 1: need that, I gotta have this, what about that? And
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Speaker 1: it's way more it's way more expensive. Now the streaming
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Speaker 1: surfaces have kind of won. Now we're getting the fall,
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Speaker 1: which is a religion to all of us here every
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Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday. We want to sit down and watch
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Speaker 1: our games. We want to make it easily accessible to
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Speaker 1: watch the games. And there's a dispute going on. We
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Speaker 1: got Montacuse capulists of a situation. I don't want that
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Speaker 1: when it comes to us watching college football in NFL.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just want to be able to watch
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Speaker 2: the games.
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Speaker 4: Because even if you say, like go over on all
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Speaker 4: the ESPN stuff, sometimes it's kind of hard to get
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Speaker 4: back and forth on.
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Speaker 2: Like sometimes when I'm when I'm ordering like.
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Speaker 4: A pay per view fight for UFC, I get confused on, hey,
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Speaker 4: it seems like it's working. It seems like I also
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Speaker 4: got to pay again or sign in. I thought I
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Speaker 4: was already signed in, So I get confused on the uh.
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Speaker 2: On the ESPN at the times.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you're ESPN, you're leveraged up. You got
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Speaker 4: all the se you got all all this stuff. I
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Speaker 4: don't know what the dispute is with the you know what.
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Speaker 4: They're arguing back and forth on on coming to a
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Speaker 4: settlement on putting them on YouTube TV. But it's just
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Speaker 4: it's big business, big big businesses above us taking taking advantage.
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Speaker 2: Of all of us.
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Speaker 4: We're we're we're all the victim. The customer becomes the
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Speaker 4: victim because eventually, even if they come to an agreement,
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Speaker 4: you know, prices will be bumped up somewhere along the way.
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Speaker 4: Whether it's on YouTube TV, whether it's getting everybody over
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Speaker 4: on ESPN, it's all a game. We're pons on the
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Speaker 4: chess board.
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Speaker 1: I will say it. When it comes to the apps,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent. ESPN's a little
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Speaker 1: harder to kind of maneuver and get around. YouTube TV
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Speaker 1: seems like a dumb man's type of streaming service.
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Speaker 2: Very easy.
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Speaker 1: You pop it on, it's right there. You got all
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Speaker 1: the games you want, You can get your multiview set
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Speaker 1: up you want, custom it's very Yeah, it's very user friendly.
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Speaker 5: Are you able to organize your YouTube TV lineup?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Is the best thing money baby, like.
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Speaker 5: The other channels at the bottom.
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Speaker 1: Or if you have if you have the app on
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Speaker 1: YouTube TV, if you have the app on your phone
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Speaker 1: as well, when you start to put in, like what
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Speaker 1: your favorite teams are, it'll tell you on your phone
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Speaker 1: like scores and everything going on there as well. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if ESPN does that, Yeah they do that,
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Speaker 1: but just seems like YouTube is easier for me to use.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want it to be easy, like I'll
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Speaker 2: pay I'll pay for a package, like I'll pay money
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Speaker 2: for a package. I just want to sit down, I
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Speaker 2: want to turn on the TV.
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Speaker 4: There's little buttons the presses, little buttons of press is
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Speaker 4: possible because because last year, it's like with NFL, when
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Speaker 4: basically every kind of network or streaming service had a game.
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Speaker 4: It's like, all right, that's just that's getting confusing to me,
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Speaker 4: Like can we just have a one stop shop to
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Speaker 4: where you know, all the capital of the businesses, like
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Speaker 4: they have all their wins and everything else. I just
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Speaker 4: want to simply turn on the TV and watch a
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Speaker 4: football game.
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Speaker 1: Why don't we get all those major corporations just make
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Speaker 1: one app and you guys all get a nice little
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Speaker 1: cut of the pie.
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Speaker 5: If what if we make an app?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll make it all the games, yeah, yeahs TV
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Speaker 1: bust and TV think about I'm thinking about I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: about ways to get around how we do it. I
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Speaker 1: feel like we just gotta find a few billion dollars, dude,
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Speaker 1: and we can we can make.
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Speaker 4: Feel like that's what they're all trying to do anyway,
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Speaker 4: It's like they're trying to monopolize television. Somebody's gonna somebody's
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Speaker 4: gonna be standing there in the end a decade or
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Speaker 4: two from now with all the you know, they bought Disney,
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Speaker 4: bought this, Google bought that, Disney bys Google, Google bys Disney.
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Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna be standing here to come down.
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Speaker 1: To Disney and Netflix.
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Speaker 2: I feel like those are the two Amazon Amazon think so.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean just because of who's behind it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jeff Bezos.
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Speaker 6: If I bet if I'm betting on CEOs and founders,
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Speaker 6: I'm probably betting on Bezos.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to get into college football?
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Speaker 2: Do we want to? Yeah? Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Just to let people know, we'll break down college football first.
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Speaker 4: Greg greg Olsen, he will be joining here in a
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Speaker 4: little bit. Then we'll be talking about NFL football, a
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Speaker 4: lot of games, a lot of things to break down.
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Speaker 4: a lot, massive, massive weekend of football chaos and suing.
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Speaker 4: And the Huskers were right there, they were right there.
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Speaker 4: They were right there, shout out the boys, hey coming
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Speaker 4: and locking in the foxhile with your boy on the
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Speaker 4: stream all fun stream. We were blacked out, dark mode
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Speaker 4: with both Tennessee, dark mode with Nebraska, and we both
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Speaker 4: just got kicked in the gut. Yeah, probably should have
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Speaker 4: the lights off in the street the next thing.
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Speaker 1: Do we want to talk about Tennessee first? Do you
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Speaker 1: want to give the Florida Nebraska? Like really, I'm here
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Speaker 1: for you guys.
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Speaker 4: It's like, I just the problem is, I don't know
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Speaker 4: how long I'll talk about Nebraska, so I don't want
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Speaker 4: to see I know, I just don't want to take
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Speaker 4: people's time. At the end of the day, we lost,
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Speaker 4: our playoff hopes are gone, our quarterback is injured. He's
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Speaker 4: out for the season with a broken fibula. It was
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Speaker 4: going so well until it just turned and it wasn't
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Speaker 4: Buddy there there there. You could not have asked for
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Speaker 4: a better first half, Like, I'm nervous going to that
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Speaker 4: game because it's USC They're a very high powered offense.
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Speaker 4: The blackout everybody embracing the black and I'll just say
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Speaker 4: it right now, the blackout needs to happen every year.
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Speaker 4: The blackout needs to be something that happens every year.
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Speaker 4: People are kind of against it, saying no, no all
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Speaker 4: white jerseys, no all black jerseys. But yeaha yaha, du
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Speaker 4: That atmosphere looked like one of the coolest atmospheres ever
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Speaker 4: at Memorial Stadium. When we were sitting there watching it
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Speaker 4: as the game was coming on, I just look over Jack.
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Speaker 4: I was like, I made a mistake not being at
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Speaker 4: that game tonight. The way they painted the black in
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Speaker 4: the black end zones, just dude, you could just feel
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Speaker 4: the energy, the black balloons. Yeah, the way that the
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Speaker 4: Nebraska social team all week covered it, I think they
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Speaker 4: knocked it out of the park. And even the traditionalists,
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Speaker 4: you know, people be like, are the old heads are
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Speaker 4: they gonna wear red? Are they gonna come in black?
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Speaker 4: But just black from top to bottom. Dude, student section
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Speaker 4: was there, shoulder to shoulder. All the boneyard was packed
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Speaker 4: two hours before kickoff like that atmosphere looked electric, and
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Speaker 4: the football team came out and matched that intensity and
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Speaker 4: match that energy like you come out. It's like we
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Speaker 4: were taking the fight to usc It was before the
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Speaker 4: game was started. It's like, hey, seven points are gonna
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Speaker 4: We're gonna have to keep them three points and you
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Speaker 4: go into halftime fourteen to six, bro and excited, like, Yo,
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Speaker 4: we look fucking good. We were getting gashed in the
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Speaker 4: run game. But if you're sacrificing getting gashed in the
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Speaker 4: run game, It's like, if I could, I would love
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Speaker 4: to sit and watch the Vilain because I'm sure there's
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Speaker 4: a lot of issues to sit there and correct because
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Speaker 4: we've been ran on a few times this year. But
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Speaker 4: it's like, if we get if we're sacrificing the run
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Speaker 4: game of holding the three points and keeping that and
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Speaker 4: keeping Jordan.
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Speaker 1: Uh Lemons mkayle Lemon and.
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Speaker 4: Kayle Lemon quarterback Jordan Mylotta, yeah, yeah, but keeping that
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Speaker 4: offense through the air where we had them I want
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Speaker 4: to say he had less than two hundred yards on
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Speaker 4: the night, and keeping those receivers like they are athletic.
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Speaker 2: They're big.
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Speaker 4: We were contesting balls like the secondary showed the fuck up,
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Speaker 4: and I was just so excited. I was like, Yo,
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Speaker 4: we we look nice right now. We got to come
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Speaker 4: out of halftime because we got the ball coming out half.
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Speaker 4: We had like two good first drives and then USC's
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Speaker 4: defense kind of showed up, was kind of stuffing us.
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Speaker 4: But to get to half fourteen six with the ball
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Speaker 4: coming out, I mean nothing, but.
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Speaker 2: Just was hot. Gentlemen. God Emmett Johnson, do you have
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Speaker 2: thirty eight touches? Almost?
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Speaker 4: He almost had thirty carries once he hit twenty five
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Speaker 4: and scored. I'm like, we were saying that he's got
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Speaker 4: to touch the ball thirty times and he was running
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Speaker 4: pissed off. The old line showed up way better than
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Speaker 4: they have all year long. And then the third quarter happens.
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Speaker 4: Delan Rayela breaks his fibula.
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Speaker 2: Our offensive, Yeah, Latif comes in with a moment for
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Speaker 2: him to come in just honestly.
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Speaker 4: What is brutal situation to walk into as a true freshman?
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Speaker 2: Do what?
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Speaker 6: Everything else is gonna feel like a breeze for him.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's coming to that moment. Yeah, he'll be
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Speaker 4: ready to go this next week. You see La back home.
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Speaker 4: He's from Compton, California, and then we lost our We
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Speaker 4: lost pritch At our left tackle, which we've lost. You know,
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Speaker 4: we were on our third offensive tackle with an inconsistent
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Speaker 4: offensive line throughout the year.
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Speaker 1: But the week before that, you lost your right tackle
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Speaker 1: as well.
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Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, lost their right tackle to an acl Then
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Speaker 4: we lost Pritchett last week, big number fifty seven, damn.
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Speaker 4: And the boys still kept fucking fighting.
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Speaker 2: They did.
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Speaker 4: They kept fighting, and that's what I was excited about.
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Speaker 4: Because once the game ends, you know, the outpour of
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Speaker 4: negativity ensues, right and for the Husker fan base, there'll
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Speaker 4: be some There are some Husker fans that were negative,
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Speaker 4: but there were something that like loved to fight. Like
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Speaker 4: you know this, it was sadness. The word at the
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Speaker 4: end of the game was sadness. It wasn't disappointment, it
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Speaker 4: wasn't all these other things.
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Speaker 2: But for a lot of people, like I want to say,
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Speaker 2: there's one motherfucker over there at on three just immediately
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Speaker 2: when the game ended, couldn't wait to put up Nebraska's
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Speaker 2: record against top twenty five teams, Matt Rules record against
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Speaker 2: top twenty five teams like that.
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Speaker 4: Stuff poured on us right away. But watching that game
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Speaker 4: finish to end or beginning to end, Like I was
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Speaker 4: proud of the fight, but just sad. On the way home,
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Speaker 4: stood outside.
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Speaker 2: Face was painted. There's a light rain coming down by
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Speaker 2: that point of the night, and I just was looking up.
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Speaker 4: I got out of the truck. The headlights were still long.
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Speaker 4: They hadn't shut off yet, so I just stood in
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Speaker 4: front of the headlights and just looked up to the
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Speaker 4: sky and thought and and just said out loud, one
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Speaker 4: day we will win this whole fucking thing.
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Speaker 2: Just not tonight.
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Speaker 4: Just not tonight, because that's where it's it's see said
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Speaker 4: playoffs are over. Oh they were never a playoff team, Like, okay, yes,
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Speaker 4: that's obviously fair.
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Speaker 2: Now no it's not.
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Speaker 1: We would have That is not a fair statement at all.
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Speaker 1: Never a playoff team is crazy. No, RelA doesn't get.
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Speaker 2: Hurt in that game.
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Speaker 1: You guys win that game.
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Speaker 2: Listen, we play at U C l A.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're aligned.
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Speaker 2: But now we've lost three, so now it is you are.
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Speaker 1: Now you are no longer playoff team. But you guys
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Speaker 1: were absolutely the way you played USC.
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Speaker 2: You don't have I know.
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Speaker 1: But there's also a podcast taking place right now where
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Speaker 1: people are thinking, hey, that's crazy, Like, you guys, you
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Speaker 1: guys shut down a great quarterback and two outstanding wide
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Speaker 1: receivers and said, Okay, if we're gonna die by a store,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be in the run game. You guys handled that.
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Speaker 1: You're you're back in your defense is awesome. Your offensive line,
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Speaker 1: who has been hurt, beating up bruise and and uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: taking care of a couple of games, stood up the
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Speaker 1: way we didn't expect them to. Emmitt Johnson did exactly
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Speaker 1: what he was.
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Speaker 2: Supposed to do.
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Speaker 1: Delan Roola stays healthy in this game. We're talking about
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Speaker 1: a Nebraska win going to UCLA, who had a lot
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Speaker 1: of firepower a few weeks ago. Now it's kind of
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Speaker 1: like got a little more quiet. You go there, it's
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Speaker 1: a revenge game. And then you have Penn State. Dude,
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Speaker 1: you guys were absolutely a playoff team this year. It
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Speaker 1: just the way it worked out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like saying that first half.
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Speaker 4: Was going on and I was like, hey, we're taking
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Speaker 4: care of the rest of this schedule. Yes, yes, and
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Speaker 4: then once zero struck it's kind of there's you know,
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be very interesting to see how this team
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Speaker 4: shows up the rest of the year, Like how any
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Speaker 4: team shows up the rest of the year once they
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Speaker 4: do get their third loss or fourth loss, where they're
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Speaker 4: they're fully out of it. Yeah, just because bowl games,
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Speaker 4: Like it's gonna be awesome to go to a ball
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Speaker 4: but the bowl games aren't what the bowl games used
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Speaker 4: to be whatsoever. It's like it's playoffs or bust for
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Speaker 4: a lot of these teams who were sitting there with
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Speaker 4: a couple losses.
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Speaker 2: Uh, so it to be.
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Speaker 4: Interesting to see. I'm very excited to see TJ Latif play.
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Speaker 4: You know, he came in a very like that. Coming
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Speaker 4: into a game like that brutal for any true freshman.
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Speaker 4: But I'm excited, like when he when we played the
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Speaker 4: Nobodies at the beginning of the year and he was
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Speaker 4: playing in the second half like he looked sharp. I'm
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Speaker 4: excited to see a full game playing around him.
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Speaker 2: Dude.
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Speaker 4: There was one play that I dropped in that group
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Speaker 4: chat that we had for the stream bro where when
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Speaker 4: he fumbled the snap and I'm just like, you know what,
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Speaker 4: freshman like that, those players are gonna happen. But when
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Speaker 4: I saw that play, like on Twitter the next day,
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Speaker 4: USC was in cover zero sending the house, and we
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Speaker 4: had a middle screen that was going to.
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Speaker 5: Be wide open, wide open, spicy like he's got that's fast.
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Speaker 2: He brings it a dynamic that Dylan didn't have as
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Speaker 2: far with his legs.
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Speaker 5: If they can run some r P O with him
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Speaker 5: and yeah and make people play on the line, he
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Speaker 5: can also throw it.
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Speaker 7: They might.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, big opportunity for him.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nine and threes alive with the Huskers for sure.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, nine and three is a live to me. It's
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Speaker 4: just the mentality, like, yeah, it's the mentality of the
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Speaker 4: team showing up, like it'll be interesting to see how
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Speaker 4: the team shows up the rest of the year. Knowing
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Speaker 4: that nine and three is very much alive. It doesn't
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Speaker 4: matter if you don't have Dylan, because latif like he's
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Speaker 4: got his own game. I'm sure he's excited to play.
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Speaker 4: I feel like everybody around him will elevate their game
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Speaker 4: a little bit.
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Speaker 5: You guys play Indiana.
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Speaker 2: No, we have U c l A Penn State and Iowa.
15:45
Speaker 1: At Penn State. But then Iowa's in Lincoln.
15:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all three I think will be tough. All three,
15:52
Speaker 2: I think I think U.
15:53
Speaker 4: C l A will be tough because you just have
15:55
Speaker 4: a very draining, emotional game where it did. It felt
15:58
Speaker 4: like everything was poured into the game and the boys
16:00
Speaker 4: showed up for a fucking fistfight to whard. Now you've
16:03
Speaker 4: got to travel out to UCLA, get up for that game,
16:06
Speaker 4: stay up for that game. Then you'll have a bye week.
16:09
Speaker 4: Then you play at Penn State, which their roster is
16:12
Speaker 4: still their roster, like they're still gonna have cats. And
16:15
Speaker 4: then I was there.
16:16
Speaker 1: They had a really competitive first half against Ohio State,
16:18
Speaker 1: like they look they looked good. Yeah, but the same
16:22
Speaker 1: thing took it like at in the second half when
16:24
Speaker 1: Ohio State continue to punch him in the mouth. It's
16:25
Speaker 1: like these guys and it's so hard for those players
16:28
Speaker 1: to continue to stand up weekend and week out. After
16:31
Speaker 1: so many dominoes have fell in the direction of negativity.
16:34
Speaker 1: They just eventually are like, yeah, we're not winning this game.
16:36
Speaker 1: You just kind of see it fold away. That's how
16:37
Speaker 1: you beat Penn State. At Penn State, you hit him
16:39
Speaker 1: in the mouth over and over again. You break their will,
16:41
Speaker 1: and it's like you can you can do that with
16:43
Speaker 1: that team. You still late, this is a revenge game,
16:45
Speaker 1: you said, Latif he's coming back home. He's from Compton,
16:48
Speaker 1: and a quarterback that uses his legs, that's coming in
16:51
Speaker 1: for a quarterback that really didn't use his legs, having
16:53
Speaker 1: a week of preparation to get the RPO, the options
16:57
Speaker 1: like moments in that game that they're not gonna they're
17:01
Speaker 1: not gonna know what to expect from you, right right.
17:02
Speaker 4: There are even a couple moments in that game to
17:04
Speaker 4: where he made something like, you know, he get the
17:06
Speaker 4: first down just by running like knowing it's kind of
17:09
Speaker 4: a broken play and just quick enough to get past
17:11
Speaker 4: the first down marker. It was tough, though, Bro, God,
17:14
Speaker 4: it was fucking I wanted that one so badly, so
17:18
Speaker 4: badly man, And then for Emmett Johnson unfortunately trip on
17:23
Speaker 4: that fourth and one. My heart broke for the young
17:26
Speaker 4: man because you know, he just he put that he
17:28
Speaker 4: was in that moment.
17:29
Speaker 2: You know, he was putting that all on him. Yeah.
17:32
Speaker 2: I hated to see that. I hated to see that
17:35
Speaker 2: for him because he is an absolute dog, bro. He
17:38
Speaker 2: is good.
17:38
Speaker 4: Like people are talking, he could potentially work his way
17:41
Speaker 4: into All American this year. He's out of a player.
17:45
Speaker 4: But brutal loss came home, walked in likes everything was off.
17:48
Speaker 4: Charles in bed reading the book and I just walk
17:51
Speaker 4: in my room, face still painted, quietly shut the door,
17:54
Speaker 4: and she just she looks up. She says, I'm sorry, babe,
17:57
Speaker 4: and I'm like me too, I'm gonna go wash my
18:01
Speaker 4: face paint. Dude, that one day, sweetheart, I told her,
18:08
Speaker 4: I say, hey, maybe one day this pain will all
18:11
Speaker 4: be worth it.
18:13
Speaker 2: One day this pain will all be worth.
18:14
Speaker 1: Just looking at her book, were you reading the same
18:16
Speaker 1: line over and over again?
18:17
Speaker 4: Because we are we are like it's coming. One thing
18:21
Speaker 4: I did have one thing that I thought.
18:23
Speaker 2: Sucked that I will say, you gotta go for it
18:27
Speaker 2: on fourth and one, when you're in enemy territory, you
18:31
Speaker 2: gotta go.
18:31
Speaker 4: We tried for a fifty two yard field go and
18:33
Speaker 4: missed it. But in that situation, I'm thinking, dude, just
18:37
Speaker 4: go for it.
18:38
Speaker 2: What part of the game was this four third fourth court?
18:41
Speaker 2: Latif was in?
18:43
Speaker 1: Okay, Latif was in?
18:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, Latifa.
18:45
Speaker 1: What was the score of the game at that time?
18:48
Speaker 2: God U s up or down? Such a blur, It's
18:51
Speaker 2: all such a blur.
18:52
Speaker 4: I want to say, uh, because they won that game?
18:55
Speaker 4: What twenty one seventeen? I want to say at that point.
18:57
Speaker 4: It might have been seventeen to fourteen. Yeah, seventeen to fourteen.
19:03
Speaker 1: You understand the logic, right, tied up well, defense is
19:06
Speaker 1: playing well versus you know, an offense that puts up
19:08
Speaker 1: forty plus points a game.
19:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, fourth and one, fourth and two, you're in enemy territory.
19:14
Speaker 4: You're staring at a fifty two yard field goal. We
19:17
Speaker 4: burned two time outs that series, so that killed us.
19:19
Speaker 4: So then you call time out and then go for
19:21
Speaker 4: the field goal. I'm just like, you gotta go for it.
19:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is interesting to hear you say, because you're
19:27
Speaker 1: always a guy that I can. You're always like, hey,
19:29
Speaker 1: take the points, your take the points.
19:31
Speaker 2: But again, it was fifty two yards true, fair enough.
19:33
Speaker 2: Fourth and one.
19:34
Speaker 4: We weren't in like the red zone guy and early
19:37
Speaker 4: in the game where it's like get.
19:38
Speaker 2: Your points, get your points. Yeah me.
19:40
Speaker 4: It's like you have the backup quarterback and you've been
19:43
Speaker 4: kind of inconsistent, shaky with moving the ball offensively throughout
19:47
Speaker 4: that point.
19:47
Speaker 2: You're now in enemy territory.
19:49
Speaker 4: It's fourth and one or fourth and two, like, cook
19:53
Speaker 4: something up, yeah, cook something up and keep the drive alive.
19:57
Speaker 1: I can't. The thing that bothers me the most about
19:59
Speaker 1: everyth you just said was the fact that as soon
20:01
Speaker 1: as the game struck zero, as soon as it was over,
20:04
Speaker 1: that there's a level of negativity that comes out because
20:07
Speaker 1: I was watching that game. But then once I saw
20:09
Speaker 1: how like Michigan was playing against Purdue, my panic mode
20:12
Speaker 1: kind of said it, and I was like, oh, we
20:13
Speaker 1: got going over here, And so I kind of like
20:16
Speaker 1: wasn't as into the game as I probably should have been.
20:18
Speaker 1: But like, everything that I saw was a defense that
20:21
Speaker 1: played up to the level against an offense that is
20:23
Speaker 1: number one or top three in the entire country, an
20:26
Speaker 1: offense that was moving the ball between the twenties. It
20:28
Speaker 1: seemed like at ease at points doing the exact game
20:31
Speaker 1: plan that we talked about that will make you successful.
20:33
Speaker 1: And so it's like, yeah, you guys should have absolutely
20:36
Speaker 1: won that game. Real estates hell with you in that game?
20:39
Speaker 2: Who's the Who's the corner?
20:40
Speaker 4: Is it Marshall that I was shouting out the cornerback
20:44
Speaker 4: blitz when he picked it off, just to just go
20:48
Speaker 4: to that.
20:50
Speaker 2: But dude, here's another thing I love to see.
20:53
Speaker 4: And I can't shout out this secondary enough for showing
20:57
Speaker 4: up that game, because that's that's a that's an off.
21:00
Speaker 4: Some skill positions were I'd seen Andrew Marshall where it
21:03
Speaker 4: feels like all those boys will be playing on Sunday.
21:06
Speaker 1: A lot of Marshall's out there, or Andrew Marshall.
21:09
Speaker 4: So we we were sending a couple of cornerback blitzes
21:12
Speaker 4: and uh, the Q was doing a great job like us.
21:16
Speaker 4: He is very tough in that RPO scheme, and the
21:18
Speaker 4: minute the corner corner would take off, it's like he's
21:20
Speaker 4: he's faking the handoff and then going right out to
21:22
Speaker 4: the receiver.
21:24
Speaker 2: One he baited him.
21:25
Speaker 4: Marshall baited him like he was going He went like
21:28
Speaker 4: a few yards like once the ball snapped and then
21:30
Speaker 4: sunk back picked it off and bro I was just sood.
21:34
Speaker 2: It was great man.
21:35
Speaker 7: Yea California do what California?
21:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know we have I think right right
21:43
Speaker 4: transferred from USC. But I felt like the skill positions
21:47
Speaker 4: across the board to offensively just they were like bringing
21:50
Speaker 4: the fight to USC, which was juicing me up, especially
21:52
Speaker 4: in that blackout environment.
21:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, black it needs to happen more. That looks so awesome.
21:58
Speaker 2: They do the.
21:58
Speaker 1: Drones, the drone, the whole thing.
22:02
Speaker 4: This is when we said we needed everybody. They we
22:04
Speaker 4: threw the kitchen sink at this game. Bro, we through
22:08
Speaker 4: the kitchen sink at this game. But you know, gotta
22:11
Speaker 4: beat UCLA.
22:13
Speaker 1: Gotta beat gotta beat We need everybody.
22:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, gotta get up for this game. Have to get up.
22:18
Speaker 4: There's no time to bleed. There's no time to bleed.
22:21
Speaker 1: Right in the bowl game too. It's I know you said, like, hey,
22:23
Speaker 1: bull games are still exciting, Like you guys have to
22:26
Speaker 1: checked the box a bowl game, and I know this
22:27
Speaker 1: season is not what you want it to be, but
22:30
Speaker 1: it's like you go nine and three. The conversation all
22:34
Speaker 1: offseason is like real Estate's healthy world playoff football team.
22:37
Speaker 1: Not only are we playoff, who knows how far we go?
22:39
Speaker 1: We're a game away.
22:41
Speaker 4: And so that is my question is more of like
22:43
Speaker 4: I'll be curious what it seems like with the mentality
22:45
Speaker 4: of these teams when they are out of the college
22:47
Speaker 4: football playoffs.
22:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, not like they're gonna quit.
22:50
Speaker 1: You're gonna find out the culture of the team if they.
22:52
Speaker 4: Can keep inspired football, continue to play inspired football.
22:57
Speaker 5: But you got I was just gonna ask how the
23:00
Speaker 5: Michigan game went because we didn't really watch a ton
23:02
Speaker 5: of it. Yeah, dude, I know, I don't want to
23:04
Speaker 5: cut you.
23:05
Speaker 4: Off because we had it was like we had the
23:07
Speaker 4: Nebraska game on. I want to say, we had the
23:08
Speaker 4: World Series game on, and then we had Tennessee, Oklahoma,
23:11
Speaker 4: and we're kind of keeping up with the Purdue Michigan
23:13
Speaker 4: game and it seemed.
23:13
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it was close like the game. So the
23:17
Speaker 1: game for us was never like it never felt like
23:20
Speaker 1: Purdue was going to like take the lead. And I
23:22
Speaker 1: thought that Michigan did a good job of, Hey, coming out,
23:24
Speaker 1: you're playing against a secondary that's not very good. Let's
23:27
Speaker 1: get some more reps under Bryce's belt of like more
23:30
Speaker 1: complex passing schemes, throwing the ball a little bit more.
23:34
Speaker 1: And it was definitely a game where you sit there
23:36
Speaker 1: and go, oh, yeah, he's a freshman and that. And
23:39
Speaker 1: the thing that upsets me is like we're now in
23:40
Speaker 1: week nine and he's having these kind of we're thrusting
23:44
Speaker 1: them into Hey, we need this quarterback to develop from
23:46
Speaker 1: a passing standpoint, But we waited till week nine to
23:49
Speaker 1: really start having him throw the ball a lot. And
23:52
Speaker 1: I think our receiving cord did a great job of
23:54
Speaker 1: getting open they I thought the offensive scheme was really
23:58
Speaker 1: good for this game as far as play calling go.
24:00
Speaker 1: But Bryce unfortunately was just missing throws. He had one
24:03
Speaker 1: to uh McCaulay number one, who just he just missed.
24:06
Speaker 1: He beat his receiver, he had separation on that. There
24:09
Speaker 1: was a broken play. He rolled out to the right,
24:11
Speaker 1: there was marsh in the back of the end zone.
24:13
Speaker 1: No one was around him. He decides to check it down,
24:15
Speaker 1: gets picked off. We get into the red zone. He
24:18
Speaker 1: goes to run the ball, scramble to get a first down.
24:20
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, this kid, he's using his legs,
24:21
Speaker 1: he's realizing he's taking the next step, realizing, okay, I
24:24
Speaker 1: need to get out of the get out of the
24:25
Speaker 1: pocket and move forward. The ball gets hit, out, gets
24:28
Speaker 1: hit as he's fallen to the ground, goes into the
24:30
Speaker 1: back of the end zone. Touch back for Purdue. So
24:33
Speaker 1: it was just one of those games you look at
24:35
Speaker 1: it's like you never make an excuse for winning, like, hey,
24:37
Speaker 1: we won the game. That's exciting. Our hopes and dreams
24:40
Speaker 1: are still alive of making the playoffs. But you're just
24:42
Speaker 1: like we piece of me. He's like, man, I wish
24:45
Speaker 1: we would have threw him in the fire a little
24:47
Speaker 1: bit more against these New Mexicos, against these other smaller
24:50
Speaker 1: schools to where we get into these back half of
24:52
Speaker 1: these games where we're going if we were going to
24:54
Speaker 1: play Ohio State competitively, because Ohio State. I watched the
24:57
Speaker 1: entire Penn State Ohio State game like the as complete
25:00
Speaker 1: of a team as there are there is in college football.
25:02
Speaker 1: Then I know we wonts and the aliens, Bro after
25:07
Speaker 1: the ball's tips, is that what you're talking about? The
25:09
Speaker 1: kid you got Jeremi Cardinal tape bro, and they did
25:13
Speaker 1: a they did a thing on him before the game
25:15
Speaker 1: started about his mom getting shot in Chicago, and every
25:18
Speaker 1: time he gets a first down or touchdown, he like
25:19
Speaker 1: kisses and puts this guy for his mom and how
25:22
Speaker 1: his mom was so supportive in his life. Then the
25:24
Speaker 1: kid continues to go off versus Penn State like they
25:28
Speaker 1: have got a ranking crew out there, and then saying kid,
25:30
Speaker 1: I tweeted out, I don't know if this kid's electric
25:33
Speaker 1: or he just has aliens around him, but he throws it, Bro,
25:36
Speaker 1: He throws a beautiful football. So I'm watching all this
25:39
Speaker 1: and it's like we won last year because Ryan Day's
25:43
Speaker 1: ego decided to be like, we're gonna play the same
25:45
Speaker 1: game as Michigan and they got punched in the mouth
25:47
Speaker 1: like that. They tried to run the ball against us,
25:50
Speaker 1: and we just continue to keep it close that way.
25:53
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see Ryan Day making that same
25:56
Speaker 1: mistake again, and we're gonna need some sort of passing
25:59
Speaker 1: threat and able to like you know, continues to five
26:01
Speaker 1: game win streak. So I just I'm not an apologize
26:05
Speaker 1: for winning. I think our defense is elite, especially when
26:08
Speaker 1: that Jahn Barsham kid, he's number one. He got hurt
26:11
Speaker 1: first series of the game. It's like an upper body injury.
26:14
Speaker 1: McCauley comes out with an injury. All of our Titans
26:17
Speaker 1: we're on our third string tight end are We're on
26:19
Speaker 1: our like third and four string linebackers except for that
26:22
Speaker 1: Ernest They get that transfer from Nebraska, who's a dog.
26:26
Speaker 1: And so you know, it's the Bible's coming out of
26:29
Speaker 1: right at the right time. But we gotta just there's
26:32
Speaker 1: gotta be another development of Bryce if we're gonna go
26:35
Speaker 1: and you know, compete for a playoff a playoff spot.
26:38
Speaker 5: So who's left on the schedule.
26:40
Speaker 1: We got Northwestern in uh at Wrigley Field, We've got
26:45
Speaker 1: Maryland and then Ohio State at Maryland. Maryland just fired
26:49
Speaker 1: their head coach. Yeah crazy, But the game, the game itself,
26:54
Speaker 1: like Jordan Marshall, like like Justice Haynes. He he didn't
26:58
Speaker 1: play in the game. He ended up getting surgery. He's
27:00
Speaker 1: think surgery. Who knows if he's gonna be there for
27:01
Speaker 1: their hot State game or not. Marshall wants for one
27:03
Speaker 1: eighty five. He has like one hundred and eighty maybe
27:05
Speaker 1: one sixty five, one hundred and eighty five all purpose yards.
27:07
Speaker 1: Like our run games come alive and it stayed consistent.
27:11
Speaker 1: There's been there was a couple of throws. You go, okay, yeah,
27:13
Speaker 1: there it is, but just some mister reads here and
27:15
Speaker 1: there that are just above me when it comes to
27:17
Speaker 1: quarterback development. But you just want to see that next
27:20
Speaker 1: step taken these next two games going into because both
27:22
Speaker 1: these games are very, very winnable. It's just about can
27:26
Speaker 1: we show the development on the offensive side of the
27:28
Speaker 1: ball so we're not so one dimensional because I think
27:30
Speaker 1: we have a championship caliber defense. Our defense is that good.
27:33
Speaker 1: It's just about getting this kid to, yeah, you know,
27:37
Speaker 1: be who we think he is, and I think he
27:39
Speaker 1: is him it was just it was tough to watch
27:41
Speaker 1: this game and not walk away being like, damn, there's
27:44
Speaker 1: a couple of throws here or there. He's just a
27:46
Speaker 1: freshman man, so we'll see.
27:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you guys can get to Ohio State as
27:49
Speaker 4: a two lost team like that, it's like the crop
27:51
Speaker 4: of Michigan, Ohio State, but Indiana, Oregon USC.
27:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Washington. Washington's right now, correct, Yeah, they're ranked.
28:03
Speaker 1: Washington has to play Oregon still, and Washington always kind
28:06
Speaker 1: of does well against Oregon. There's a lot to play
28:09
Speaker 1: Washington right now.
28:11
Speaker 4: No, no, no, Oregon's already played Indiana. Yeah, but they
28:14
Speaker 4: still got to play Washington. They still gotta play USC.
28:16
Speaker 4: Like it'll be uh, it'll be fun, it'll be fun.
28:20
Speaker 1: This feels like this feels like it's gonna be Ohio
28:23
Speaker 1: State in Indiana in the Big Ten Championship and then
28:27
Speaker 1: I don't know who wins that game. I think Ohio
28:30
Speaker 1: State wins that game. State. Dude, their defense, I think
28:35
Speaker 1: they've the first eight games, they've hold every held every
28:37
Speaker 1: team under seventeen points. It's just so impressive.
28:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're defenses for real.
28:44
Speaker 1: They are They are absolutely for real.
28:45
Speaker 4: Matt Patricia incredible higher in the season, one knows left
28:49
Speaker 4: to go to Penn State, which is crazy, and then
28:53
Speaker 4: you got the SEC now SEC shaken or rattle in
28:56
Speaker 4: the tree a little bit, Texas handling Vandy.
29:00
Speaker 1: And then Vandy having a spark of life coming back again. Yeah,
29:03
Speaker 1: but it seemed like a little referee love huh and
29:06
Speaker 1: d the two point was crazy, nuts man, dude. And
29:11
Speaker 1: hey the on side kick, Bro, they literally almost.
29:13
Speaker 3: Had it so sick.
29:15
Speaker 4: I know they cut Yeah, if they would have came
29:18
Speaker 4: back that game, Bro, it's nuts because arch Manning.
29:22
Speaker 1: It's it's like as much as things changed, they stayed
29:25
Speaker 1: the same. Like Texas is very much in it and
29:27
Speaker 1: can be a team like in the playoffs all year, bro.
29:31
Speaker 2: And one thing, but also the offense kind of coming along,
29:35
Speaker 2: Like arch Manning's had like close to around what seven
29:38
Speaker 2: hundred yards and like six touchdown the last two games. Yeah,
29:42
Speaker 2: and I mean say, like Vandy.
29:43
Speaker 1: Everyone says Vandy is not built to come back, and
29:45
Speaker 1: obviously they didn't come back enough to win this game,
29:48
Speaker 1: but they made it interesting at the end because they
29:50
Speaker 1: were getting blown out earlier, where you see a lot
29:52
Speaker 1: of twitter everyone's like, well, this game is over. Vanny's
29:54
Speaker 1: not built to come back and diego Pavia. Man, something happened.
29:58
Speaker 1: Something's going on with the back end of that defense
30:01
Speaker 1: because they just allowed things to happen. It'll be interesting.
30:04
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting. Everyone's kind of fighting for the life
30:06
Speaker 1: of the SEC the ACC did you hey?
30:09
Speaker 4: But also before we get off the SEC. I I
30:13
Speaker 4: get having integrity and having some respect. But if you're
30:18
Speaker 4: up four, dude, and this cover and the spread is
30:22
Speaker 4: seven and a half, and you just you're on the
30:24
Speaker 4: one yard line, Georgia Bulldogs, I need you to score.
30:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, goddess, yes, absolutely.
30:29
Speaker 4: If you're outside the five yard line, I get it.
30:33
Speaker 4: Take yeah, I get taken any. But you on the
30:35
Speaker 4: one yard.
30:36
Speaker 5: Line, score score, take any and then score the next play, right, Yeah,
30:41
Speaker 5: I don't care, but you gotta score.
30:43
Speaker 1: And dude, you have Florida. I mean they played they
30:44
Speaker 1: played a good game there. Georgia is just one of
30:47
Speaker 1: those teams that no one everyone refuses to look at.
30:49
Speaker 1: Everyone's like Georgia is just over there ignoring mc norman.
30:52
Speaker 1: They just continue to win games.
30:53
Speaker 2: Because they have all these like close games, but they
30:56
Speaker 2: just they just win. Yeah. I feel like they should
30:59
Speaker 2: have beat up on Florida a little bit more than
31:01
Speaker 2: what they did.
31:02
Speaker 3: Florida's got I mean, the the question isn't has never
31:06
Speaker 3: been Florida's roster. Like they have a very like they're
31:10
Speaker 3: a really good team. It's just they can't, for whatever reason,
31:13
Speaker 3: put it together.
31:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like take off that uniform and you
31:19
Speaker 4: put on like the Penn State uniform. Nobody talks about
31:21
Speaker 4: Penn State like that way. We might acknowledge that they
31:23
Speaker 4: still have a roster, but nobody's sitting there and being like, hey,
31:27
Speaker 4: Penn State is still tough. They just haven't put it together.
31:30
Speaker 4: People just continue to just stomp on them down there.
31:33
Speaker 4: When you get beat by u c l A.
31:36
Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to defend Penn State.
31:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean Florida, Florida, Georgia.
31:44
Speaker 5: Have they played all this like they've gotten beat by teams.
31:49
Speaker 2: I mean, us SEF is not that at the time
31:52
Speaker 2: they were u c l A.
31:55
Speaker 4: At the time when they beat Penn State, they were
31:57
Speaker 4: like undefeated. Well, since they made their coaching.
31:59
Speaker 2: Change, I think that I think that was the first
32:03
Speaker 2: three game.
32:04
Speaker 1: That was the first game the.
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Speaker 7: Coach.
32:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do we think about Florida?
32:10
Speaker 4: They I mean l s U. That's a fraudulent LSU team.
32:14
Speaker 4: When they lost to them twenty to ten, they only
32:16
Speaker 4: scored ten points.
32:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, the SEC is wild right now.
32:23
Speaker 4: This is where those conversations start to come in of
32:26
Speaker 4: the when it starts like and once it gets into
32:28
Speaker 4: the off season, the big ten SEC.
32:30
Speaker 2: I do think the SEC is deeper. But when we're
32:33
Speaker 2: when we're getting to a points where it's like, hey,
32:36
Speaker 2: Florida is still a great football team, is like, no,
32:39
Speaker 2: they're not.
32:39
Speaker 5: The SEC deep there in Auburn, l s U and
32:44
Speaker 5: Florida fired their head coaches.
32:46
Speaker 4: I know, bro, all these that are open now. Hey, Jack,
32:50
Speaker 4: what's the deal with Hypel coming up?
32:53
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's crazy.
32:54
Speaker 1: People say, yeah, people having the conversation about Hype not
32:56
Speaker 1: being the guy. That's insane to me.
32:58
Speaker 8: That's just that's just classic Tennessee Twitter rhetoric. Just just
33:02
Speaker 8: fans that are frustrated and upset. After that could go
33:06
Speaker 8: down as one of his worst losses as his tenure.
33:09
Speaker 8: Obviously he went to Oklahoma. That was a big prove
33:12
Speaker 8: a game in Nyland. Night Mode supposed to shut down
33:16
Speaker 8: my tear. He's running everywhere everywhere, the cells, around every corner,
33:21
Speaker 8: we can so many just small mistakes. They were giving
33:26
Speaker 8: them opportunities to score. We could have gone up fourteen
33:28
Speaker 8: to Ohero real quick in the first quarter. Have that fumble,
33:32
Speaker 8: their guy tears a hammy, still puts eighty yards on
33:35
Speaker 8: the field, gets to the end zone.
33:37
Speaker 2: It was just that.
33:44
Speaker 8: Max Gilbert misses a huge kick for us.
33:48
Speaker 7: Their kicker was on fire.
33:50
Speaker 8: It's it's brutal, yeah, to have away team come in.
33:54
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure what was this said. I think it
33:56
Speaker 8: was Oklahoma's first away SEC win in s and since
34:00
Speaker 8: they've joined the SEC, which you don't want to be
34:02
Speaker 8: the fence team to give up the loss.
34:04
Speaker 2: And the first time that they've scored over a certain
34:06
Speaker 2: amount of points. Yeah, I think it was seventeen.
34:10
Speaker 8: Yeah, brutal, brutal, and like it felt like we were
34:14
Speaker 8: in it the whole time until it just we weren't.
34:17
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't even want to talk about Matt
34:19
Speaker 8: Malone and what he did at the stream. So Chef, obviously,
34:24
Speaker 8: Chef being the cycle of that he is, Chef was like,
34:26
Speaker 8: I'm going to listen to the rest of the game
34:28
Speaker 8: on the radio. I think there was maybe two and
34:30
Speaker 8: a half minutes left.
34:31
Speaker 4: He will Also, remember Tennessee scoring chef was out of
34:33
Speaker 4: the stream room, so everybody's like, you have to stay
34:35
Speaker 4: out there.
34:35
Speaker 8: Yeah, But essentially Matt Malone has the remote and decides
34:41
Speaker 8: to turn off the Tennessee game when there's probably a
34:44
Speaker 8: minute and forty eight seconds left. Yeah, I'm trying to
34:47
Speaker 8: be nice with that. And I'm like, I'm frustrated. On
34:50
Speaker 8: my phone, I'm diving through Twitter seeing what what's going on.
34:53
Speaker 8: And then I look up because Nebraskas has ended and
34:57
Speaker 8: the World Series is going on, they put it on
34:58
Speaker 8: the main TV and I'm like, where the fuck is
35:02
Speaker 8: the Tennessee game? And mag was I turned that ship off?
35:04
Speaker 2: Man, we're done? And I go I'm like, Jack's like,
35:10
Speaker 2: it's not over, and I pulled up. I pulled out
35:12
Speaker 2: my phone.
35:12
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, they just kicked a field goal down
35:15
Speaker 4: six with over a minute left.
35:17
Speaker 8: Like Matt Malone in the last few weeks has been
35:19
Speaker 8: inching forwards to being like a bona fide Tennessee fan again,
35:24
Speaker 8: and in that one moment he stripped everything, And honestly,
35:29
Speaker 8: it could be a thing where I won't ever take
35:31
Speaker 8: his fandom seriously for the remainder of life.
35:35
Speaker 7: It will take a lot.
35:36
Speaker 8: I gotta see what he's built for, especially in these
35:39
Speaker 8: last three games that we have.
35:41
Speaker 6: I don't know.
35:41
Speaker 8: It was brutal the atmosphere, you know, and Nyland looked
35:45
Speaker 8: all time, just like you were saying about Nebraska. I
35:47
Speaker 8: thought the stream was so much fun. All the boys there,
35:50
Speaker 8: two blackout teams just getting their dick kicked intogether. Yeah,
35:55
Speaker 8: and you know, the the hopes of a playoff berth
35:59
Speaker 8: are are now over. And you know the only thing
36:02
Speaker 8: I can look forward to is that the Titans and
36:05
Speaker 8: the Balls are both on the bye week this week.
36:08
Speaker 1: So big week for jaff, big weekend.
36:11
Speaker 6: God, I will be out of the state.
36:13
Speaker 2: So yeah, the energy was good.
36:16
Speaker 4: The energy was fun all stream. Yeah, because Nebraska started
36:19
Speaker 4: first and oh my god, Broy start off three and out.
36:23
Speaker 4: JP started off three and out and then a fourteen
36:26
Speaker 4: play drive touchdown and we're just juice Bro take the
36:31
Speaker 4: fight to him. Oh yeah, Garritt ends up coming in.
36:39
Speaker 2: He's got to pull down.
36:40
Speaker 8: Even Scarlett made it on stream from Yeah, it was
36:43
Speaker 8: being awesome. Just we're screaming and she's just a sleeve,
36:47
Speaker 8: just ship.
36:50
Speaker 2: Dog.
36:51
Speaker 1: Sounds like it was a lot of fun.
36:52
Speaker 2: I was till it wasn't.
36:54
Speaker 1: I was in hell Saturday the foot, Yeah, bro, people
36:59
Speaker 1: pop aren't rest by Deylan Royola walking off the field,
37:01
Speaker 1: throw throwing wristbands. People didn't see me Friday night with
37:05
Speaker 1: my kids, full gout walking around and I'm in so
37:09
Speaker 1: much pain after that, dude, it was it was. I
37:12
Speaker 1: was in pain walking down on the way back, it
37:14
Speaker 1: was like inches. I could barely walk up. I literally
37:16
Speaker 1: thought about crawling at some point. And we get to Saturday.
37:20
Speaker 1: I'll wake up in the morning, go to through my piss.
37:22
Speaker 1: I put my foot on the ground, dude, and I'm
37:23
Speaker 1: like even my heel, like my foot is so swollen.
37:26
Speaker 1: I had to get crutches from downstairs. And I was
37:29
Speaker 1: crutching around the house elevated foot all day long, looking
37:33
Speaker 1: at the streamerund six o'clock like kind of jealous, like, man,
37:35
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go to that, but I
37:37
Speaker 1: couldn't move. I could not move. It was so horrendous.
37:40
Speaker 7: What does it feel like, dude?
37:42
Speaker 1: So gout is it's like a uric acid build up
37:45
Speaker 1: in your bloodstream, and so when you have like sugar,
37:48
Speaker 1: red meat, something else, like there's a uric acid build
37:53
Speaker 1: up and it all goes down to like your lower
37:55
Speaker 1: shimmer stood happened your hands or in your feet, and
37:58
Speaker 1: it crystallizes in your joints, Like there's like little sharp
38:01
Speaker 1: crystals in your foot that are like scraping, like essentially
38:07
Speaker 1: irritating the joint. It feels like it like needles and it. Dude,
38:11
Speaker 1: it was the worst pain ever I had. Nathan, my lawyer,
38:15
Speaker 1: was in town with all his kids Saturday. I'm like,
38:16
Speaker 1: you guys have fun.
38:17
Speaker 2: Man.
38:18
Speaker 1: I'm like in the man cave foot elevated. Anytime I
38:21
Speaker 1: moved or anything. One kid came by and like accidentally
38:24
Speaker 1: hit my foot almost cried like it was bro I
38:28
Speaker 1: was in hell. I was in hell all weekend. Like
38:31
Speaker 1: Bailey was able to walk today.
38:33
Speaker 9: It's all King's diase.
38:34
Speaker 1: King's disease, I know, dude. We were twenty twenty two
38:39
Speaker 1: or yeah. We were playing the Jacksonville Jaguars and I
38:42
Speaker 1: like Wednesday night we went had like olne dinner. Thursday,
38:45
Speaker 1: wake up. I'm in so much pain and I'm like, hey,
38:48
Speaker 1: I think I have turf toil like jam my toe.
38:50
Speaker 1: And the Trader's like, hey, we think this is galt.
38:53
Speaker 1: I get tested. The York acid isn't that high. But
38:55
Speaker 1: that's when Rable comes up. He goes, got the King's disease? Huh,
38:58
Speaker 1: And that's when I first learned about King's disease.
39:00
Speaker 5: But dude, thinking about you hobbling around dressed as Dobby.
39:04
Speaker 2: Bro I was hurting so bad I couldn't tell the time.
39:08
Speaker 2: I thank you. Well, we'll cover it on Uhi.
39:11
Speaker 1: We need to talk about football right now. Yeah, buddy,
39:14
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I was in true hell, true hell
39:17
Speaker 1: all weekend.
39:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, not about me.
39:19
Speaker 1: It's about the kids though. Speaking of kids, Greg Olson,
39:21
Speaker 1: just give Greg Wilson around.
39:22
Speaker 2: The plaus Greg loves the kids.
39:24
Speaker 1: How are we feeling, dude?
39:27
Speaker 7: Doing good? Man, doing good?
39:28
Speaker 1: How are you guys living the dream one day at
39:29
Speaker 1: a time. I don't know if you heard about my
39:31
Speaker 1: gout spell, but it's been a tough week.
39:33
Speaker 7: I just heard you talking about it right now. How'd
39:34
Speaker 7: you get gout?
39:35
Speaker 2: Dude?
39:36
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I truly have no idea, but
39:38
Speaker 1: I got for the first time in twenty two have
39:41
Speaker 1: had like three or four episodes, but this one started
39:44
Speaker 1: Thursday morning.
39:44
Speaker 2: When we're in New York and say we're flying back,
39:46
Speaker 2: you're starting to feel at.
39:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, like as like the show's going on on, Get up.
39:50
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all right now, Like I'm I'm doubtful for
39:54
Speaker 1: any game, but like I can't push off my foot,
39:57
Speaker 1: but I can walk around. I was on crutches yesterday
39:59
Speaker 1: and the day before. That's how bad it was. So
40:02
Speaker 1: I'm a survivor.
40:03
Speaker 10: Greg, Well, well, yeah, you're I mean, I have a
40:06
Speaker 10: feeling if it was game day you'd figure it out.
40:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
40:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:09
Speaker 7: I've never seen a guy on the injury report gout.
40:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like you just can't.
40:16
Speaker 7: You just have to just refuse to let that even
40:18
Speaker 7: be real.
40:18
Speaker 1: I will say when I did have GOT twenty twenty two,
40:21
Speaker 1: we played Jacksonville. I ended up playing that entire game,
40:23
Speaker 1: didn't miss a snap.
40:24
Speaker 7: First, because that's what we do.
40:25
Speaker 2: That's what we do. We play. Baby.
40:27
Speaker 4: Hey Greg, I don't know if you know it, but
40:29
Speaker 4: your squad, your team over there, you think sent me
40:34
Speaker 4: a North County Raider, some North County Raider merchandise?
40:38
Speaker 6: Was my height?
40:39
Speaker 7: Aren't you wearing it?
40:40
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a great question. Now I saw
40:42
Speaker 2: you pop on.
40:43
Speaker 4: How'd you like it? I love it? I loved it.
40:46
Speaker 4: I like hey Greg, Greg and his team. They sent
40:49
Speaker 4: you this opened it up. I saw the Blue and
40:51
Speaker 4: Gold and see Raiders and it it juiced me up.
40:54
Speaker 7: Man to bring back a lot of good memories.
40:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Ani's.
40:59
Speaker 7: Rock in the locker room before and after the game,
41:01
Speaker 7: just getting after it.
41:02
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah.
41:03
Speaker 4: And then the Who's nuts, Like before kickoff, our our stands,
41:07
Speaker 4: the bleachers, they'd just be stomping and be.
41:09
Speaker 6: Like, who's nuts, Who's nuts?
41:12
Speaker 2: Who's nuts?
41:13
Speaker 4: As the ball's getting kicked off and you go, and
41:15
Speaker 4: you know, obviously you're trying to deliver the biggest in
41:17
Speaker 4: of your life and to earn the hitman's shirt for
41:21
Speaker 4: the next week.
41:22
Speaker 2: So a lot of memories, a lot of memories.
41:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, club pulled up on me. He hit me in
41:27
Speaker 1: a box. He goes, hey, this was sent to you
41:28
Speaker 1: and it was a chaparale seventy seven from your company
41:31
Speaker 1: as well, like nostalgia out the gate Man.
41:33
Speaker 10: It's it's awesome to be able to get to be
41:35
Speaker 10: able to get cool gear for your school, your travel
41:38
Speaker 10: ball premium. It's I'm telling you, man, it's the only
41:43
Speaker 10: place to People think we're crazy. People think we just
41:45
Speaker 10: make sideline videos yelling at kids. But uh, there's a
41:50
Speaker 10: bigger play in all this that I think is super cool.
41:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got the deonse And as we coming before
41:56
Speaker 1: we get into football, I noticed you a little sunburn
41:58
Speaker 1: going on. We yelled, wh where were you this weekend?
42:00
Speaker 2: No?
42:00
Speaker 10: You know what, I don't know why. Here here's my
42:03
Speaker 10: only two thoughts. You're ready because it's funny. I just
42:06
Speaker 10: I logged on and I was like, God, my face
42:08
Speaker 10: looks red. Two possible scenarios, A little bit of a reflection. Yesterday,
42:12
Speaker 10: it was a windy. It was overcast, but you know
42:15
Speaker 10: how you get like a windy it was it's an
42:17
Speaker 10: open booth in Green Bay, very windy, heavy cloud cover.
42:21
Speaker 10: So not sunburn, but uh, maybe like wind in my face,
42:26
Speaker 10: hair all over the place, maybe a little wind. I
42:29
Speaker 10: also went went to the club this morning, did a
42:32
Speaker 10: little like executive workout, did a little little sauna, little shower,
42:37
Speaker 10: you know, just a little like freshen up on a Monday.
42:39
Speaker 10: So maybe it's just to just to kind of the
42:41
Speaker 10: residuals of just getting the body temperature up. I'm not
42:44
Speaker 10: exactly sure why my face is red.
42:46
Speaker 4: Bro, what is uh what's happening in Green Bay? You
42:50
Speaker 4: called that game yesterday? Tough loss to the Panthers. You
42:54
Speaker 4: even had a even had something up top where they're
42:56
Speaker 4: talking about the coin flip where they're kicking the ball,
42:59
Speaker 4: how it could end where they could be utilizing the
43:01
Speaker 4: win in the end for a game winning kick.
43:03
Speaker 2: It comes back around.
43:04
Speaker 4: I see you going back and forth with somebody on
43:05
Speaker 4: Twitter just being like, I what like you were on
43:07
Speaker 4: top of that strategy and how much strategy does Just
43:11
Speaker 4: listen to the broadcast they'd learn a lot. Yeah, I agree,
43:14
Speaker 4: but talk to us about uh, talk to us about
43:17
Speaker 4: covering that game yesterday in Green Bay is a loss
43:19
Speaker 4: of the Panthers.
43:20
Speaker 10: Man, Jesus, Yeah, I didn't see it coming. I'll be honest.
43:24
Speaker 10: You know, I go neutral when I call Panther games.
43:28
Speaker 10: You know, some Panther fans think I hate them. Some
43:30
Speaker 10: The other team always thinks I'm a homer, which is fine.
43:33
Speaker 10: I try to just call it like it is. I thought,
43:35
Speaker 10: coming off that home loss, they looked bad against Buffalo,
43:38
Speaker 10: banged up offensive line. They were getting Bryce back. I
43:42
Speaker 10: thought the best thing they did was get Rico back.
43:45
Speaker 10: You know, Rico dawdle instead of splitting carries with Chew.
43:48
Speaker 10: But they just went right back to Rico getting all
43:50
Speaker 10: the carries. I thought that was a great move by Canalis.
43:52
Speaker 10: He's just needed to happen and listen the exact way the.
43:57
Speaker 7: Game needed to be played.
43:58
Speaker 10: If you're Carolina, muddy it up, take them into the mud,
44:02
Speaker 10: slow it down, limited possessions, make them go the long way.
44:06
Speaker 10: I mean, all the things that we set up at
44:07
Speaker 10: the top of the broadcast. It's very funny that it
44:11
Speaker 10: works out exactly how Canalis would dream it up, which is,
44:15
Speaker 10: you know, most teams get about ten or eleven possessions
44:18
Speaker 10: in a game. Green Bay had three in the first half,
44:21
Speaker 10: eight total. That's a win for them. They were over
44:25
Speaker 10: in the red zone. They settled for two field goals,
44:28
Speaker 10: they missed the field goal, and they turned the ball
44:30
Speaker 10: over twice like that was the formula for only giving
44:33
Speaker 10: up thirteen points. If you were Carolina, I thought green
44:37
Speaker 10: Bay tried to play the game Carolina's style. You know,
44:40
Speaker 10: Carolina wanted to run it a thousand times. I think
44:42
Speaker 10: they just threw for over one hundred yards, but that's
44:46
Speaker 10: what they wanted to do, and then I think green
44:48
Speaker 10: Bay came in. Jordan loves playing as good a ball
44:51
Speaker 10: as anybody in the league. I think they're a better
44:53
Speaker 10: pass protecting group than they are a run blocking group
44:55
Speaker 10: up front. I think they're run games. Okay, they're not Overlea,
45:00
Speaker 10: but their pass game is I don't know how much
45:03
Speaker 10: the wind, I don't know how much the weather kind
45:05
Speaker 10: of got to the floor and just didn't trust pushing
45:07
Speaker 10: the ball. But they had their best success in the
45:10
Speaker 10: quick game pass and I think every time you ran
45:13
Speaker 10: the ball, every time you went first down run, you
45:16
Speaker 10: played exactly the way Carolina wanted that game to be played.
45:19
Speaker 10: And when it all came down to it, Bryce took
45:23
Speaker 10: him down on a nice, you know, end of game
45:25
Speaker 10: kind of minute third. It was just under the two
45:27
Speaker 10: minute warning and forty nine yard field goal into the wind,
45:32
Speaker 10: which we sat at the top of the broadcast. You know,
45:35
Speaker 10: why win the toss and take the ball if you're
45:38
Speaker 10: the Panther as well, twofold A, you want to keep
45:40
Speaker 10: Green Bay's offense on the side. We just covered that.
45:42
Speaker 10: But b by taking the ball when you win the
45:44
Speaker 10: toss in the first half, you get your choice of
45:46
Speaker 10: direction to start the third quarter, and they chose to
45:49
Speaker 10: get the wind for that exact same situation. Kicking going
45:53
Speaker 10: the other way was a disaster. They missed an extra point,
45:56
Speaker 10: green Bay missed the field goal, and then obviously going
45:58
Speaker 10: the other way which they ended the game, was the
46:00
Speaker 10: way they wanted to kick. So great decision. First decision
46:04
Speaker 10: was a great one, and the game cooperated.
46:06
Speaker 4: If you're a Panther fan, yes yesterday, Lions lose, Packers lose.
46:12
Speaker 4: Rams look incredible, Seattle looks incredible. Eagles on a bye week.
46:17
Speaker 4: You got a lot of these teams two and three
46:18
Speaker 4: losses before the weekend started. I would have I'm sure
46:21
Speaker 4: all of us would have assumed, it's like Lions. Lions
46:24
Speaker 4: look really good, Packers look really good. Dark horses were
46:27
Speaker 4: kind of the NFC West. Who would you have coming
46:29
Speaker 4: out of the NFC today to go to the Super Bowl?
46:33
Speaker 10: Yeah, twenty four hours ago, green Bay, you know, green Bay, Detroit, Philly,
46:39
Speaker 10: you know, kind of the usual suspects there after yesterday.
46:43
Speaker 7: I think Seattle. I think Seattle's really good.
46:46
Speaker 10: I think Sam Donald has carried over the Minnesota Sam
46:50
Speaker 10: Donald orre he won fourteen and has picked up where
46:54
Speaker 10: he left off him in Kubiak. I think the way
46:56
Speaker 10: the offense has been built around him, big personnel, you know,
47:01
Speaker 10: it's a passing offense, and people continue to say that
47:04
Speaker 10: it's a run offense, which is another one on my Twitter,
47:06
Speaker 10: like drives me insane when people just say things that
47:09
Speaker 10: aren't true. It irritates me. So yeh see, I was
47:14
Speaker 10: shocked at I'm a little shocked at Detroit lost. To
47:16
Speaker 10: be honest, I thought Minnesota was reeling a little bit.
47:18
Speaker 10: I thought Minnesota the first couple weeks was a lot
47:20
Speaker 10: better than they were the last few games. I know
47:22
Speaker 10: there was controversy about you know, getting McCarthy back, and
47:26
Speaker 10: you know, Wentz playing banged up and why they didn't
47:28
Speaker 10: just turn back to JJ earlier.
47:30
Speaker 7: But they really answered the bell Minnesota, so you got
47:32
Speaker 7: to feel good for them.
47:34
Speaker 10: But yeah, I still think when the dust settles, Philadelphia
47:37
Speaker 10: I still think, you know, is the team until someone
47:40
Speaker 10: proves otherwise. I think Detroit's in the mix. I still
47:43
Speaker 10: think Green Bay, when everything settles down, is going to
47:46
Speaker 10: be in the mix. I still think they're very good
47:47
Speaker 10: on both sides of the ball. Detroit Seattle, we said,
47:52
Speaker 10: San Francisco's kind of sneaky.
47:54
Speaker 2: You know.
47:55
Speaker 10: It's just so hard to think that they're going to
47:57
Speaker 10: continue to weather the guys that they're missing for long
48:00
Speaker 10: periods of time, yet all they do is figure out
48:02
Speaker 10: how to win. I think Shannahan. Shanahan's awesome. You know,
48:05
Speaker 10: obviously McCaffrey and Kittle, those guys are incredible. Can they
48:08
Speaker 10: weather some of the defensive losses of Fred Warner? Can
48:11
Speaker 10: they make the playoffs?
48:13
Speaker 7: Yes?
48:13
Speaker 10: Can they win the Super Bowl? I guess anything's possible.
48:18
Speaker 10: I think it'd be tough, But yeah, I think I
48:20
Speaker 10: think for the first time in a long time, I
48:21
Speaker 10: think the NFC is actually a deeper conference right now
48:25
Speaker 10: than the AFC.
48:26
Speaker 2: And you didn't mention the Rams.
48:28
Speaker 10: Yeahs, that's gonna be San Francisco's challenge. The way it
48:35
Speaker 10: looks right now, they're gonna have to get in as
48:37
Speaker 10: a wild card, as a They're gonna have to get
48:38
Speaker 10: free from the West in because barring a huge fall,
48:43
Speaker 10: you know, disaster, it looks like, you know, Seattle and
48:45
Speaker 10: l A look like they're in the running to win it,
48:48
Speaker 10: and then San Francisco obviously try to sneak that second
48:50
Speaker 10: wild sport wild card spot. But yeah, I mean, NFC
48:54
Speaker 10: West might be the best division in football, I mean North, Yeah,
48:59
Speaker 10: I mean there, I think the NFC, for the first
49:02
Speaker 10: time in the last couple of years is a deeper
49:05
Speaker 10: stable of teams that you could make an argument for
49:08
Speaker 10: competing when the last couple of years you kind of
49:11
Speaker 10: felt like it was the AFC had more options to
49:13
Speaker 10: represent them in the Super Bowl between Baltimore, you know, Buffalo,
49:19
Speaker 10: Kansas City of course, and then you had like, how
49:21
Speaker 10: good are the Denver Bronco is going to be? How
49:22
Speaker 10: good are the Charger is going to be? I kind
49:25
Speaker 10: of feel like the tide has shifted a little bit
49:27
Speaker 10: to the death of the NFC. Yeah, Tapa, I think
49:32
Speaker 10: they just went really well. They've lost it seems like
49:34
Speaker 10: they've lost every player on their team and.
49:36
Speaker 1: They just continue to Baker Mayfield it out, dude, Yeah,
49:38
Speaker 1: they had figured out anyway. AFC is super interesting because
49:41
Speaker 1: obviously we had the Bills in the Chiefs game, which
49:43
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your thoughts on that. But the
49:45
Speaker 1: Ravens there, they make a they're making a run that
49:48
Speaker 1: we kind of all expected them to do after there
49:49
Speaker 1: by week then you got the Broncos, who are seven
49:53
Speaker 1: and two just beat the Houston Texans in a defensive battle.
49:56
Speaker 1: So one can be said for both sides is like
49:59
Speaker 1: there are there's a five or six competitive teams on
50:02
Speaker 1: both sides. You can go, yeah, I can. I can
50:04
Speaker 1: basically see any of these teams making it to the
50:06
Speaker 1: super Bowl on either side. But do were you able
50:09
Speaker 1: to watch that Bills Chiefs game?
50:11
Speaker 6: It all?
50:12
Speaker 7: I wasn't. I was flying back.
50:14
Speaker 10: I followed some of the game cast and on the
50:16
Speaker 10: plane I saw some of the highlights. From what I've
50:20
Speaker 10: kind of gathered, the score actually wasn't even really indicative
50:23
Speaker 10: of how the game. Oh yeah, I don't know if
50:25
Speaker 10: you guys would agree with that. That's kind of the
50:27
Speaker 10: gist that I'm getting from the follow up.
50:30
Speaker 1: If there was, if there was a different team playing
50:32
Speaker 1: the Bills, when you're watching that game, you would think
50:34
Speaker 1: it's over. The only thing that kept your, like your
50:36
Speaker 1: heart in it was knowing that Patrick Mahomes is on
50:38
Speaker 1: the other side and truly anything can happen. They had
50:40
Speaker 1: a two minute at the end. I think they had
50:42
Speaker 1: like forty five seconds and then three plays die m up,
50:44
Speaker 1: get all the way down the field.
50:45
Speaker 2: Well either way, still a setup of Mahomes Allen Bill's
50:51
Speaker 2: Chiefs rivalry game to where they're up seven and Mahomes
50:55
Speaker 2: has the ball with about six minutes left. Yeah, and
50:57
Speaker 2: then he ends up throwing a pick around the four
50:59
Speaker 2: minute mark, in between four and five minutes. But it
51:01
Speaker 2: was it was a juicy game there at the end,
51:03
Speaker 2: but it did it felt like the Bills. Uh.
51:05
Speaker 4: The whole theme of this episode for me has been
51:07
Speaker 4: taking the fight to him. But it does feel like
51:09
Speaker 4: the Bills kind of took the fight to the shut
51:10
Speaker 4: it out in Bill's Mafia Land.
51:12
Speaker 1: Right, because the Chiefs defense does such a great job
51:14
Speaker 1: against The Chiefs defense in general just are very very good.
51:17
Speaker 1: But Bills what they do. They lined up under center,
51:20
Speaker 1: they ran the ball and every ran, every run they had,
51:23
Speaker 1: they set up a play action off of that run
51:26
Speaker 1: that was successful. So they had the Chiefs defense get.
51:28
Speaker 4: Some rap leads, some rap leads. Gash and the Greg
51:31
Speaker 4: You'd love it, you love that film.
51:34
Speaker 1: Greg's not big in the run game.
51:35
Speaker 2: You heard the way.
51:37
Speaker 6: The run game.
51:38
Speaker 1: He thinks the numbers of the run game are ridiculous.
51:40
Speaker 7: Let's talk about the run game.
51:41
Speaker 10: I've been looking forward to getting on with you guys
51:43
Speaker 10: because Will teased me last week, you know, not teased me,
51:45
Speaker 10: but like tease that we were going to talk about
51:48
Speaker 10: some of these bigger concepts the run game is super valuable.
51:52
Speaker 10: I just hate hearing people talk up how the run
51:56
Speaker 10: game is what sets the tone and sets the stage
52:00
Speaker 10: for everything else.
52:01
Speaker 7: That we do.
52:02
Speaker 10: The run game is a great way to win games
52:04
Speaker 10: once you have the lead.
52:06
Speaker 7: The run game.
52:06
Speaker 10: Now, are you last year's playoff Philadelphia Eagles where you're
52:10
Speaker 10: running for seventy five yard touchdowns. That's a different run game. Yeah,
52:14
Speaker 10: that is more like an explosive passing game. Where now
52:17
Speaker 10: you're starting to get into the elements of what makes
52:19
Speaker 10: the pass more effective than the run is to generate
52:22
Speaker 10: more yards per play, generate more explosive plays. That's why
52:25
Speaker 10: the pendulum supports passing the ball. Now, if you can
52:29
Speaker 10: run the ball for thirty yards, forty yard fifty yard touchdowns,
52:33
Speaker 10: by all means you should run the ball on every
52:35
Speaker 10: single play of the game. So that's a key that's
52:38
Speaker 10: a key point to make. But the biggest advantage of
52:41
Speaker 10: a run game is third and short, fourth and short,
52:45
Speaker 10: goal to go, end of game, run the clockout with
52:48
Speaker 10: the lead. That's where a really good run game can
52:52
Speaker 10: alter effectiveness.
52:53
Speaker 7: If you want to score points.
52:57
Speaker 10: Across the board consistently over an entire season in the
53:01
Speaker 10: regular season, if you want to score points. The correlation
53:05
Speaker 10: between passing the ball and scoring points is non debatable.
53:14
Speaker 2: What do you go?
53:15
Speaker 1: I hate it?
53:16
Speaker 2: I think I said, I agree with you.
53:18
Speaker 1: That obviously passing the ball is going to correlate to
53:21
Speaker 1: more points. However, if you're a team like the Buffalo
53:24
Speaker 1: Bills and you have Josh Allen, who the last couple
53:26
Speaker 1: of weeks has been like a little iffy and his
53:28
Speaker 1: pass game, they haven't been consistent of marrying the run
53:30
Speaker 1: to the past. To me, as an offensive lineman, a
53:34
Speaker 1: guy that wants to see a lot of balance, because
53:36
Speaker 1: I think balance plays a lot really well, especially when
53:38
Speaker 1: you get into November and December. When you run the
53:40
Speaker 1: football effectively and you have play action passes off of it,
53:44
Speaker 1: it is way better for longevity of scoring consistency consistently.
53:49
Speaker 1: And I don't know numbers, you're you're probably pulling something up.
53:52
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you can win first down right
53:54
Speaker 1: by running the ball by four more yards. He starts
53:57
Speaker 1: looking over and he says he isn't like shit, he's
53:58
Speaker 1: gonna pick up numbers on my ass.
54:00
Speaker 7: No, I'm just if you can do that, go ahead, If.
54:02
Speaker 1: You can run, if you can run outside zone to
54:04
Speaker 1: the left right and you run that play effectively. Then
54:08
Speaker 1: if you're doing that, now all of a sudden you
54:10
Speaker 1: have linebackers flowing to the left side and you're pulling,
54:13
Speaker 1: you're pulling the ball, you have a bootleg. There's so
54:15
Speaker 1: much more open on the right side of the ball
54:17
Speaker 1: and the right the right side of the line of scrimmage.
54:20
Speaker 1: So I just think when you're able to run effectively,
54:22
Speaker 1: it opens up so much more in the past game,
54:24
Speaker 1: which gets you down the field. And then if you
54:25
Speaker 1: run the ball effectively, then the third and short, fourth
54:28
Speaker 1: and ones goal to goes, goal to goes, that is
54:31
Speaker 1: going to open itself up as well.
54:33
Speaker 4: If if you have if you could run outside zone
54:35
Speaker 4: on the left and you have Taylor on and Roger Staffold,
54:37
Speaker 4: and you have Derek Hennery in the backfield, y Ryan
54:40
Speaker 4: Tannel under center and A. J. Brown on the outside,
54:42
Speaker 4: and you can success.
54:45
Speaker 1: No no, no, I'm not okay, you run the ball
54:47
Speaker 1: to the right whatever. I'm just saying. If you're able
54:49
Speaker 1: to run run plays that you can set up play
54:52
Speaker 1: action off of to get your shots, especially when hit
54:54
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, that is a recipe for success,
54:58
Speaker 1: especially when you're under center. Quarterback puts us back to
55:00
Speaker 1: the defense or the defense and now has the second
55:02
Speaker 1: guest over and over again. If they're going to cover two,
55:04
Speaker 1: those linebackers are gonna start cheating up a little bit.
55:05
Speaker 1: It leads a lot more holes in the middle of
55:07
Speaker 1: that defense. That's the kind of offense I love as
55:10
Speaker 1: as opposed to just passed first always.
55:14
Speaker 10: Oh, I'm not saying I don't listen. You're not going
55:16
Speaker 10: to find a bigger supporter of under center, heavy personnel
55:21
Speaker 10: twelve thirteen under center play action, turn your back to
55:24
Speaker 10: the defense pass game than me.
55:26
Speaker 7: I think.
55:27
Speaker 10: And again we're not talking about Washington, but I think
55:29
Speaker 10: what Washington And I hate seeing je Daniels not hurt.
55:33
Speaker 7: But that was an awful scene. But just because we watched.
55:37
Speaker 10: Them play last night, playing in the shotgun pass it
55:41
Speaker 10: doesn't work. It is virtually an impossible strategy. You're seeing
55:46
Speaker 10: Jalen Hurts now get more under center. You're seeing Josha
55:49
Speaker 10: Allen get more under center. You're seeing Patrick Mahomes. Guys
55:52
Speaker 10: that have played almost exclusively from the gun for the
55:55
Speaker 10: bulk of their careers are now getting under center, turning
55:58
Speaker 10: their back because we all know action is the most
56:01
Speaker 10: efficient and effective pass play, especially on first and second down.
56:06
Speaker 10: I'm not disputing any of that. But let's take Seattle
56:08
Speaker 10: last night. Okay, they are playing in twelve and thirteen.
56:12
Speaker 10: They run the fewest amount of eleven personnel, so they
56:15
Speaker 10: have three receivers on the field and one of the lowest,
56:18
Speaker 10: if not the lowest rate in the entire league. Okay,
56:21
Speaker 10: so the assumption is that, okay, people are so scared
56:26
Speaker 10: of their run game, they're playing heavy boxes, which they are.
56:30
Speaker 10: They're playing big base people, which makes sense when you
56:33
Speaker 10: bring out two to three tight ends.
56:35
Speaker 7: And what does Seattle do to you? They throw the ball.
56:40
Speaker 10: He's fourteen for fourteen, for fourteen, fifteen for fifteen, whatever,
56:44
Speaker 10: he is for two eighty and four touchdowns at halftime.
56:48
Speaker 10: Do you know how many yards per carry for the
56:50
Speaker 10: season the Seattle Seahawks.
56:52
Speaker 7: Average on the ground? Tell me five three point eight yards.
56:57
Speaker 1: A carriage is not great?
57:00
Speaker 7: I ask why? Now, Listen.
57:02
Speaker 10: My point is what they're doing is exactly if I
57:05
Speaker 10: was a coordinator what I would do. The question I
57:07
Speaker 10: have has nothing do with Seattle. I give them all
57:10
Speaker 10: the credit in the world. My question is why do
57:13
Speaker 10: these defensive coordinators and why do these media types, and
57:15
Speaker 10: why do these people at the podium continue it up
57:18
Speaker 10: there and beat the table about how important it is
57:21
Speaker 10: to stop the run. Why would you walk into a
57:23
Speaker 10: stadium when Sam Darnald has the second most efficient passing
57:27
Speaker 10: game in the league. Why would you walk into the
57:30
Speaker 10: stadium and say, you know what we need to do.
57:32
Speaker 10: We need to stop the twenty fifth ranked run game
57:36
Speaker 10: in football. We need to make sure they don't get
57:38
Speaker 10: out on us. And instead you let Sam Darnald throw
57:40
Speaker 10: for two fifty plus and four touchdowns at halftime. It
57:43
Speaker 10: doesn't make sense if at the end of the game
57:46
Speaker 10: you run the ball twenty five times for one hundred
57:48
Speaker 10: and sixty yards, unless one hundred and fifty of them
57:51
Speaker 10: we're in the second half.
57:52
Speaker 7: Because you're up by two scores, you probably lost.
57:55
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's a point.
57:57
Speaker 10: It just it doesn't what people are saying and the
58:01
Speaker 10: talking points that get just spewed over and over and over.
58:05
Speaker 10: It's just not true no matter how often people say it,
58:08
Speaker 10: it's not true. Now, Buffalo, they ran for two forty
58:13
Speaker 10: on the Panthers last week, or you know, two weeks
58:16
Speaker 10: ago and Josh Allen didn't have to throw the ball. Yeah,
58:19
Speaker 10: because they averaged he had seventeen carries for two hundred
58:22
Speaker 10: and fifteen yards.
58:23
Speaker 7: Of course, you should.
58:24
Speaker 10: Keep handing the ball to James Cook, but that's not
58:27
Speaker 10: being an efficient run game. At three and a half
58:29
Speaker 10: four yards of carry and people are going, oh my god,
58:31
Speaker 10: we can't let him go down our throat. Do you
58:33
Speaker 10: think that either team yesterday in the Green Bay Carolina
58:38
Speaker 10: game cared how much both teams wanted to run the
58:41
Speaker 10: ball at each other and the final score was sixteen thirteen.
58:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's you just.
58:48
Speaker 10: Can't score any points unless you're gonna score fifty yard
58:50
Speaker 10: rushing touchdowns if you do hand it to Saquon every play.
58:54
Speaker 10: And I'll be the biggest cheerleader out there, but that's
58:57
Speaker 10: not the reality of the league.
58:59
Speaker 7: Like most teams don't.
59:00
Speaker 10: I don't have Derrick Henry and Saquon and guys that
59:02
Speaker 10: are gonna take fifty yard touchdowns weekend and week out.
59:05
Speaker 10: It's just not the way the league works. And that's
59:10
Speaker 10: just the way the modern game is being played.
59:12
Speaker 7: This last thing, I'll.
59:12
Speaker 10: Say, rushing attempts are not up across the league because
59:17
Speaker 10: offenses have come to the realization that you know, it's
59:19
Speaker 10: in my best interest to score more points, I should
59:22
Speaker 10: run the ball more. It's because defensive coordinators, by and large,
59:26
Speaker 10: especially the really good teams, are saying, you know what,
59:29
Speaker 10: I'm gonna play too high shell. I'm gonna play nickel
59:32
Speaker 10: to base. I'm gonna play light boxes. Run at me
59:35
Speaker 10: forty times. Great, you're gonna have less possessions. I'm gonna
59:40
Speaker 10: fight my ass off to get a turnover or two
59:42
Speaker 10: and a kick a field goal or two in the
59:43
Speaker 10: red zone. And at the end of the game, you
59:45
Speaker 10: might score twenty points. And if I have a halfway
59:48
Speaker 10: decent offense, I'm gonna score more than twenty and we're
59:50
Speaker 10: gonna win.
59:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love this conversation.
59:53
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm honestly, I feel like I'm running
59:55
Speaker 4: a lot listening to you two go back and forth
59:56
Speaker 4: about the run game, the one that the conversation I
59:59
Speaker 4: was wanting to bring up last that I said we
1:00:00
Speaker 4: could talk about this week. It's just kind of how
1:00:03
Speaker 4: teams are getting back to that twelve thirteen personnel look,
1:00:07
Speaker 4: just the way the tight end has developed over the
1:00:09
Speaker 4: last decade. I feel like, because again you said it,
1:00:11
Speaker 4: the top these top tier quarterbacks, they've spent most of
1:00:14
Speaker 4: their career in gun and now you see teams getting
1:00:18
Speaker 4: back to under center, and I'm just I'm wanting to
1:00:21
Speaker 4: know your thoughts because I was kind of feeling it
1:00:23
Speaker 4: when I was a backer who would play mostly in
1:00:26
Speaker 4: base personnel, when I was in a backup role or
1:00:29
Speaker 4: even as a starter, and you go to third down
1:00:30
Speaker 4: and I might come off the field, or if you
1:00:32
Speaker 4: had a team that would that would be in twelve personnel.
1:00:35
Speaker 4: But it's because they're doing more predominant eleven looks. So
1:00:38
Speaker 4: you're like, hey, we're gonna play nickel to this. So
1:00:40
Speaker 4: you're kind of deciding as a coordinator do you want
1:00:43
Speaker 4: to run do we want to put a nickel package
1:00:45
Speaker 4: in there against base? And now it's to me you
1:00:49
Speaker 4: almost you're at times you could make a mistake putting
1:00:53
Speaker 4: in nickel bodies in base packages because against these teams
1:00:56
Speaker 4: like Seattle, who can have twelve thirteen personnel and give
1:00:59
Speaker 4: you traditional twelve and thirteen personnel looks, then you can
1:01:02
Speaker 4: kind of look to hey, we might be running the
1:01:04
Speaker 4: ball more this game because they are staying in nickel packages.
1:01:07
Speaker 4: I think it's fascinating how it's developed. Again back to
1:01:11
Speaker 4: getting I'll say getting under after listening to your guys' conversation,
1:01:14
Speaker 4: I would beforehand, I would have said getting back to
1:01:17
Speaker 4: run game type personnel, but getting the more under center
1:01:20
Speaker 4: personnel because there was a shift over the last decade
1:01:23
Speaker 4: of hey, we need to put our smaller bodies because
1:01:25
Speaker 4: even though they're in twelve personnel, they're predominantly lining up
1:01:29
Speaker 4: in eleven looks. I know that makes sense to you,
1:01:31
Speaker 4: but for people out there listening or watching this, eleven
1:01:35
Speaker 4: personnel is where you're having three receiver looks. Teams would
1:01:39
Speaker 4: take twelve personnel, so two tight ends, one running back
1:01:42
Speaker 4: and they would make a tight end, be more of
1:01:44
Speaker 4: a receiving tight end and flank him out or cut
1:01:48
Speaker 4: him away from the line of scrimmage to where now
1:01:50
Speaker 4: it's you're having to make a decision to are we
1:01:53
Speaker 4: going to be in more base packages versus these twelve
1:01:56
Speaker 4: thirteen personnel looks. And I'm just kind of curious of
1:01:59
Speaker 4: what you've seen over the last decade of this shift
1:02:02
Speaker 4: coming back to under center run game and how again
1:02:04
Speaker 4: it's like coordinators are it's like, are we gonna stop
1:02:06
Speaker 4: the run? You're a little bit more vanilla when you're
1:02:09
Speaker 4: in base packages because you've spent most of the last
1:02:11
Speaker 4: decade or so fifteen years building out a lot more
1:02:14
Speaker 4: complex nickel dime packages to where it's like, Hey, now
1:02:18
Speaker 4: we're gonna make the call. Are we going to play
1:02:20
Speaker 4: bass to this twelve thirteen personnel team, because a lot
1:02:22
Speaker 4: of these twelve thirteen personnel teams, like Seattle is having
1:02:25
Speaker 4: a lot of success just being under center now and
1:02:27
Speaker 4: looking more old school.
1:02:30
Speaker 10: Yeah so, and I can give you again when it
1:02:33
Speaker 10: first kind of dawned on me. But everything you're saying
1:02:35
Speaker 10: is where the conversation needs to start going towards, because
1:02:39
Speaker 10: what you're saying is one hundred percent what's happening. The
1:02:42
Speaker 10: twenty twenty two season, that playoffs we called the super Bowl.
1:02:46
Speaker 10: We had Detroit and San Francisco in one of the
1:02:49
Speaker 10: playoff games. I don't remember, maybe the divisional round or
1:02:52
Speaker 10: I can't remember exactly what round of the playoffs it was.
1:02:55
Speaker 10: And the conversation back then was San Francisco was so
1:02:59
Speaker 10: good in twenty one personnel. Okay, so they had two receivers,
1:03:02
Speaker 10: they had McCaffrey Kittle and use check and they could
1:03:06
Speaker 10: be in eleven type plays because of the flexibility of
1:03:10
Speaker 10: McCaffrey and use check and kittle. They could be in
1:03:13
Speaker 10: twelve types, so two tight end type stuff because of
1:03:16
Speaker 10: use check and kittle, And it was putting a lot
1:03:18
Speaker 10: of pressure on defenses. And one of the big issues
1:03:22
Speaker 10: that the Lions were having that year was matching those
1:03:27
Speaker 10: base personnel looks. And we said at the top of
1:03:31
Speaker 10: that broadcast, this was three years ago that at the
1:03:35
Speaker 10: Aaron Glenn at the time was the coordinator that if
1:03:38
Speaker 10: I was running the Detroit Lions defense, that they should
1:03:42
Speaker 10: not worry about personnel at all and they should only
1:03:46
Speaker 10: play down in distance. On first and ten, the tendencies
1:03:49
Speaker 10: of the Shanahan office was under center, play action pass.
1:03:53
Speaker 10: So play under center play action pass. If they hand
1:03:56
Speaker 10: the ball off and get seven yards, so be it.
1:03:59
Speaker 10: And just go through down in distance tendencies and play
1:04:03
Speaker 10: your personnel, whether it's four or five man fronts, whether
1:04:06
Speaker 10: it's three safeties, three linebackers, four, whatever your personnel groupings are,
1:04:10
Speaker 10: and base them off down in distance. So that was
1:04:13
Speaker 10: two and a half years ago that we were having
1:04:15
Speaker 10: that conversation of a playoff game, and that is exactly
1:04:19
Speaker 10: what the Lions did. Anyway, fast forward to today, the
1:04:24
Speaker 10: conversation that needs to be had is why do the
1:04:29
Speaker 10: Rams play almost exclusively eleven yet are very good at
1:04:34
Speaker 10: running the ball. And the answer is because they build
1:04:37
Speaker 10: eleven personnel groupings. You play me and Nickel and I'm
1:04:42
Speaker 10: going to line up in tight, condensed splits with in
1:04:44
Speaker 10: the old days Cooper Cup. Nowadays it's Puka Nakua and company,
1:04:49
Speaker 10: and those guys are good edge blockers. I'm going to
1:04:52
Speaker 10: add gaps to the run game that now all of
1:04:54
Speaker 10: these defensive backs, five six defensive backs and Nickel and
1:04:57
Speaker 10: Dime have to fit the run. I'm gonna get all
1:05:00
Speaker 10: those big bodies off the field because you're gonna match
1:05:03
Speaker 10: Nickel against my eleven, and I'm gonna run the ball
1:05:06
Speaker 10: at you in first and second down, and then all
1:05:09
Speaker 10: of my playpass stuff looks exactly like that because the
1:05:12
Speaker 10: way McVeigh builds it. Now, flip it to last night
1:05:16
Speaker 10: with Seattle, they're doing the opposite. They're bringing big bodies
1:05:20
Speaker 10: onto the field under the assumption that you're gonna match
1:05:23
Speaker 10: me with big bodies, and I'm gonna make you go
1:05:26
Speaker 10: big to throw it, and La is trying to make
1:05:29
Speaker 10: you go small to run it. And that's the starting
1:05:32
Speaker 10: point of everything they're trying to do. They are manipulating
1:05:35
Speaker 10: the personnel groupings you bring on the field, and then
1:05:39
Speaker 10: they're gonna play the game accordingly. That's why if I
1:05:43
Speaker 10: was running defenses, I would match things more often than
1:05:47
Speaker 10: not on tendencies of down and distance, where I don't
1:05:50
Speaker 10: care if you come out in twelve personnel. If I
1:05:52
Speaker 10: know you're a first and ten past team, I'm gonna
1:05:54
Speaker 10: play first and ten two high safeties, and I'm gonna if.
1:05:57
Speaker 7: You run it, you run it.
1:05:59
Speaker 10: That's where the league, I think is going. From the
1:06:01
Speaker 10: conversations I have with defensive coordinators and really smart defensive people,
1:06:07
Speaker 10: that's the indications that they're giving me if you don't
1:06:11
Speaker 10: give up explosive runs, which teams are now starting to realize.
1:06:14
Speaker 10: Putting more guys at the first and second level actually
1:06:17
Speaker 10: on a play by play better, you'll like this, will
1:06:19
Speaker 10: like on a play by play basis, defenses will support
1:06:23
Speaker 10: the run better in eight man spacing, five to three spacing,
1:06:27
Speaker 10: four to four spacing, like more first and second level defenders.
1:06:30
Speaker 10: But what we're finding is against Derrick Henry and Saquon
1:06:33
Speaker 10: Barkley and those kind of backs, the explosive runs are
1:06:38
Speaker 10: happening against single high coverage because once that play pops through,
1:06:42
Speaker 10: it's gone. Yea, So teams are going you know what,
1:06:44
Speaker 10: i might give up five or six, but I'm not
1:06:46
Speaker 10: gonna give up fifty. I'm gonna put a net. I'm
1:06:48
Speaker 10: gonna play everything from high to low. I might be
1:06:51
Speaker 10: light at the line of scrimmage, but that's okay. And
1:06:54
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna let you run the ball for forty
1:06:56
Speaker 10: plus yard plays and chunk me to death in the
1:06:58
Speaker 10: run game. That's a problem. The good teams are all
1:07:02
Speaker 10: doing that. The bend, but don't break. Make you go
1:07:04
Speaker 10: the length of the field, make you snap it again.
1:07:07
Speaker 10: I could get a sack, I could get a holding call,
1:07:09
Speaker 10: I could get a false start. But every time an
1:07:12
Speaker 10: offense snaps the ball, something bad can happen. And that's
1:07:15
Speaker 10: become the model of today's NFL. And I think it's
1:07:20
Speaker 10: just going to continue to go more and more that
1:07:22
Speaker 10: way because teams don't want you to throw the ball
1:07:26
Speaker 10: and they really don't care if you run it.
1:07:28
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:07:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is I could talk about We could talk
1:07:31
Speaker 4: about this all day long.
1:07:32
Speaker 2: I just think it's so fascinating.
1:07:33
Speaker 4: Because again, you brought up the rams in the way
1:07:35
Speaker 4: that they're able to run the ball in eleven personnel
1:07:38
Speaker 4: because usually again when you're going nickel bodies back like
1:07:41
Speaker 4: back in the day, the nickel wouldn't be coming in
1:07:44
Speaker 4: and had to be very savvy in the run game
1:07:46
Speaker 4: and say, hey, you're gonna have the be gap on
1:07:47
Speaker 4: this snap. They're only going to run a.
1:07:51
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Hey, it's.
1:07:54
Speaker 7: Because he's so physical. That's a different animal.
1:07:56
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
1:07:57
Speaker 4: And also even in the bigger personnel, So take the
1:08:00
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills for example, like the development of the linebacker
1:08:04
Speaker 4: over the course of the decade has gotten more athletic, faster,
1:08:07
Speaker 4: maybe a little smaller and leaner. And if you take
1:08:09
Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bill's second level, they're a little light in
1:08:12
Speaker 4: the ass. So when you're going against these twelve thirteen
1:08:14
Speaker 4: personnel teams, it's where you could struggle in the run
1:08:18
Speaker 4: game because you don't have bigger bodies, and then you
1:08:21
Speaker 4: get caught between a rock and a hard place on
1:08:23
Speaker 4: you know, when you hit free agency or what you're
1:08:25
Speaker 4: trying to stop or eliminate, do you get bigger bodies now,
1:08:28
Speaker 4: it's just been fascinating to see these offenses adapt year
1:08:31
Speaker 4: in and year out. To the personnel. It's like, again,
1:08:34
Speaker 4: we've been a little bit more gun run heavy in
1:08:37
Speaker 4: the gun pass games opened up because bigger bodies have
1:08:39
Speaker 4: been out there. Now we're making teams go nickel. Hey,
1:08:42
Speaker 4: Now we've learned that if we go twelve personnel and
1:08:44
Speaker 4: we have very athletic tight ends, he could block at times,
1:08:46
Speaker 4: he could be a receiving threat. Now they're a lighter
1:08:50
Speaker 4: in the ass across the second level lining up against
1:08:52
Speaker 4: twelve thirteen personnel. Now we're able to run the football
1:08:55
Speaker 4: more because the second level is now lighter because of
1:08:59
Speaker 4: how defenses said had to adapt over the last decade.
1:09:02
Speaker 4: Two a passing threat offense. This is what I just
1:09:05
Speaker 4: sit back and think about it, and I always I'll
1:09:07
Speaker 4: give you.
1:09:07
Speaker 10: Another one that's super timely. Buffalo they play a ton
1:09:12
Speaker 10: of thirteen, So three tight ends they get, Yeah, Knox,
1:09:16
Speaker 10: Kincaid and then the rookie. They don't do as much
1:09:20
Speaker 10: twelve as you would think with Knox and Kincaid because
1:09:23
Speaker 10: when they go twelve with Knox and Kincaid, what defense,
1:09:26
Speaker 10: what defense do they bring out?
1:09:27
Speaker 7: What personnel group? Nicol they play Nickel, So you.
1:09:30
Speaker 10: Lose all of your advantage in Kincaid. Is it really
1:09:33
Speaker 10: going to gain that advantage back? So to be an
1:09:37
Speaker 10: early down passing team out of twelve Buffalo has said,
1:09:40
Speaker 10: you know what, that doesn't really do anything for us,
1:09:42
Speaker 10: but you know what does get you in base and
1:09:44
Speaker 10: does get a lot of big bodies on the field.
1:09:46
Speaker 7: Thirteen.
1:09:47
Speaker 10: Yeah, and then you know who My Z receiver in
1:09:49
Speaker 10: essence is Dalton Kincaid. So now I have Kincaid, I
1:09:53
Speaker 10: have my ex whichever receiver they leave on the field
1:09:56
Speaker 10: depending on the play. And then Dawson Knox is the
1:09:59
Speaker 10: is the the f and then the rookie is the
1:10:02
Speaker 10: big Why he's like the on the ball true tight end.
1:10:05
Speaker 10: They can line up in double wing and run it
1:10:08
Speaker 10: down your throat or what they like to do is
1:10:11
Speaker 10: they can spread you out and they can throw it
1:10:12
Speaker 10: because they feel like that's the.
1:10:14
Speaker 7: One personnel grouping.
1:10:16
Speaker 10: They are getting a pass advantage because they're not great
1:10:19
Speaker 10: on the outside. They're not dominant at the outside receivers.
1:10:23
Speaker 10: So they're doing it with screen games the Shakir and
1:10:25
Speaker 10: they're doing it with play action pass to the tight ends.
1:10:28
Speaker 10: And obviously James Cook in the run game in the
1:10:30
Speaker 10: screen game, so it's another great example of Buffalo and
1:10:33
Speaker 10: Joe Brady being really intelligent of how do I get
1:10:36
Speaker 10: big bodies on the field when I want to throw it?
1:10:39
Speaker 10: And how do I get more little bodies on the
1:10:41
Speaker 10: field when I want to run it? Right, that's what
1:10:44
Speaker 10: everyone's doing. And if you match personnel, you're as a defense,
1:10:49
Speaker 10: you are now at the mercy of the offense right
1:10:51
Speaker 10: dictating to you who's on the field.
1:10:54
Speaker 4: And making the secondary even especially corners like play savvy
1:10:57
Speaker 4: in the run game enough to mess with their and
1:11:00
Speaker 4: hit him on these play actual passers.
1:11:03
Speaker 10: And again without getting into the weeds, too complicated on
1:11:05
Speaker 10: all this, but this is where the McVeigh shanahan wide receiver,
1:11:10
Speaker 10: pre snap, jet motion and all that stuff that everyone
1:11:13
Speaker 10: looks at and goes, man, it's to distract the linebackers.
1:11:16
Speaker 10: It's not distracting the linebackers. This is not middle school
1:11:19
Speaker 10: football where you send a guy in motion and all
1:11:21
Speaker 10: eleven guys on defense watch him go. It changes the
1:11:24
Speaker 10: run fits, Yeah, it changes Now that that backside nickel
1:11:27
Speaker 10: who's an edge player off the slot, all of a sudden,
1:11:29
Speaker 10: that guy goes in fast motion. He's now the backside
1:11:32
Speaker 10: b gat player and we're running wine back inside zone
1:11:35
Speaker 10: and he's at the point of attack now. And the
1:11:37
Speaker 10: front side linebacker who's Will Compton, he's your run player.
1:11:41
Speaker 10: He just got bumped to the edge because now it's
1:11:43
Speaker 10: a three by one formation and he's got to play
1:11:45
Speaker 10: outside the box and he can't make the tackle. Like
1:11:50
Speaker 10: that's what's going on in all of this, And it's
1:11:53
Speaker 10: a hard thing to get across in the broadcast because
1:11:55
Speaker 10: the timing and it's a little in depth, but it
1:11:57
Speaker 10: is a fascinating evolution of offensive football the way that
1:12:02
Speaker 10: it's being played nowadays.
1:12:03
Speaker 4: Because again, even even the defensive back, like just the
1:12:07
Speaker 4: inexperience of playing very detailed on the run game. You
1:12:10
Speaker 4: get them to pat their feet just for a second
1:12:13
Speaker 4: and the GAP's gonna move or you're gonna get the
1:12:16
Speaker 4: body on them eventually, and just that little bit of
1:12:18
Speaker 4: or enough inexperience to where, hey, you're putting them in
1:12:21
Speaker 4: a in a very much a run conflict situation to
1:12:24
Speaker 4: where that's all you need to pop an explosive play.
1:12:28
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. You guys brought you brought
1:12:30
Speaker 1: the bills of the thirteen personnel. That's the only way
1:12:32
Speaker 1: to get these defense is to go in two base
1:12:35
Speaker 1: if you are a defense coordinator game planning against the
1:12:38
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, how are you playing their tendencies? This is
1:12:41
Speaker 1: kind of for both of you.
1:12:42
Speaker 10: Oh, I guess it depends what my team is, right, Yeah,
1:12:45
Speaker 10: I guess I would have to look at my personnel
1:12:47
Speaker 10: and say, right, So, what's been the advantage.
1:12:50
Speaker 7: Of the Eagles over the last couple of years.
1:12:52
Speaker 10: It's twofold, right, So, as I'm building it, if I
1:12:54
Speaker 10: put my defensive coordinator hat on here, my first question
1:12:57
Speaker 10: is how good is my offense? And if I say
1:13:00
Speaker 10: my offense is a twenty five or more points per game,
1:13:03
Speaker 10: maybe we're even closer to twenty eight. I'm sitting there saying,
1:13:06
Speaker 10: I don't give a shit how much you run the
1:13:08
Speaker 10: ball on me. You're not gonna score twenty eight to
1:13:10
Speaker 10: thirty points a game doing that. I'm gonna play high shells.
1:13:13
Speaker 10: I'm gonna control the front. I'm gonna control the run
1:13:15
Speaker 10: game with my front. That's been Philadelphia for the last
1:13:18
Speaker 10: couple of years, right. That's Vic Fangio's kind of touch
1:13:22
Speaker 10: on NFL defenses over the last decade is high shells.
1:13:26
Speaker 10: Everything from the top down be really dominant at one
1:13:29
Speaker 10: or two spots. In the defensive line, and those guys
1:13:31
Speaker 10: control the game. And now my back seven are all
1:13:35
Speaker 10: pass first, run, second downhill, run and chase players. If
1:13:39
Speaker 10: that's my personnel and my offense is that compliment, That's
1:13:44
Speaker 10: exactly what.
1:13:44
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be.
1:13:45
Speaker 10: It's why Dallas really struggled last year and everyone overreacted
1:13:49
Speaker 10: to Dallas needs to be better against the run. Well,
1:13:51
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty three, when Dak was a potential MVP
1:13:55
Speaker 10: and they're scoring thirty a game, no one talked about
1:13:57
Speaker 10: Dallas's run game because it was Draymond Diggs and it
1:14:01
Speaker 10: was Deron Bland having pick sixes and Micah Parson's having
1:14:04
Speaker 10: stripsacks with DeMarcus Lawrence and they're just rushing the passer
1:14:07
Speaker 10: the entire game. Because you can't run and keep up
1:14:10
Speaker 10: with Dak in a thirty point offense, Dak gets hurt.
1:14:13
Speaker 10: All of a sudden, the passing game goes to shit,
1:14:15
Speaker 10: and it turns into the Rico Dawdle run game. Well,
1:14:18
Speaker 10: all of a sudden, now we're playing a lot lower
1:14:20
Speaker 10: scoring games as a result, because I'm not chasing Dallas anymore,
1:14:23
Speaker 10: and I can run the ball for four quarters and
1:14:26
Speaker 10: all of a sudden now the weakness of the smaller bodies,
1:14:28
Speaker 10: the lighter bodies. The way Dallas built that defense over
1:14:31
Speaker 10: the years to complement a thirty point offense has now
1:14:35
Speaker 10: completely broken down. So I guess to answer your question,
1:14:39
Speaker 10: how good's my offense? Am I playing low twenties high
1:14:42
Speaker 10: teens games? Or am I making this a race to thirty?
1:14:45
Speaker 10: That changes my decisions drastically? And then do I have
1:14:48
Speaker 10: one or two interior defensive linemen that are just an
1:14:50
Speaker 10: absolute game wrecker that I can hold the front and
1:14:53
Speaker 10: you might get me here and there, but at the
1:14:55
Speaker 10: end you ran twenty two times for eighty five yards.
1:15:00
Speaker 10: I'm fine with that. That doesn't bother me. So there's
1:15:03
Speaker 10: some nuance to how I would play, but generally speaking,
1:15:05
Speaker 10: that would be my approach.
1:15:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just understanding your back seven Like again, it's
1:15:10
Speaker 4: it's like, if you're sitting there stuck between a rock
1:15:13
Speaker 4: and a hard place, are we going to go bigger
1:15:15
Speaker 4: personnel this game or not?
1:15:17
Speaker 2: Well, if we're going to go on extra back, you're
1:15:19
Speaker 2: on extra backer' here. Number one?
1:15:21
Speaker 4: Is he detailed enough in the past game to where
1:15:23
Speaker 4: he can run and play in space? And if not,
1:15:25
Speaker 4: do you have a secondary level guy or a defensive
1:15:28
Speaker 4: bad guy who can play in the run game and
1:15:30
Speaker 4: be like, all right, we'll give up some of the run,
1:15:32
Speaker 4: but we really need this guy in the back end
1:15:34
Speaker 4: to eliminate.
1:15:35
Speaker 2: Some of the explosives through the air. So it all.
1:15:38
Speaker 4: Depends, and it's just been it's just fascinating to watch
1:15:41
Speaker 4: this game can continue to adapt, you know, a few
1:15:44
Speaker 4: years at a time, and then see teams go after
1:15:47
Speaker 4: certain body types, certain body types like again, even when
1:15:52
Speaker 4: the tight end was becoming more of a receiving threat.
1:15:54
Speaker 4: With all these very athletic tight ends, Jordan Reed was
1:15:57
Speaker 4: one of them for us to where you're kind of
1:16:00
Speaker 4: more you're trying to get teams more out of space.
1:16:02
Speaker 4: But anytime you knew Jordan Reid was in the game,
1:16:03
Speaker 4: let's just say he.
1:16:04
Speaker 2: Was number eighty five.
1:16:05
Speaker 4: If you knew eighty five was in the game, you're
1:16:07
Speaker 4: gonna put lighter personnel out there because you know ninety
1:16:10
Speaker 4: percent of the time they're gonna throw a pass because
1:16:11
Speaker 4: of Jordan Reid. Versus if you got Logan Paulsen eighty two,
1:16:15
Speaker 4: who's a blocking tight end. Now you're just seeing these
1:16:18
Speaker 4: semi positions become you know, just super athletic, like these
1:16:22
Speaker 4: freaks that they're finding that can kind of do both things.
1:16:25
Speaker 4: To Greg's point with Buffalo, where you could put thirteen
1:16:28
Speaker 4: out there and Kinkaid can play.
1:16:29
Speaker 2: The X or player receiver.
1:16:31
Speaker 10: So it's this is football interesting, Yeah, this is It's
1:16:36
Speaker 10: what they tried to do with Kyle Pitts in Atlanta
1:16:38
Speaker 10: with Arthur Smith.
1:16:39
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yes, great example.
1:16:41
Speaker 10: It's the exact same thing. The problem was early in
1:16:44
Speaker 10: his career. And I haven't had an Atlanta game this year,
1:16:46
Speaker 10: so I don't want to make a blanket observations. I
1:16:48
Speaker 10: haven't watched Kyle play this year, but obviously freak athlete,
1:16:51
Speaker 10: wide receiver type, body type, skills, ability to move.
1:16:55
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a.
1:16:56
Speaker 10: Rare dude to have te next to his name. The
1:16:59
Speaker 10: problem was they played him as a Z receiver and
1:17:03
Speaker 10: you lose a little bit of your matchup, right, Like
1:17:05
Speaker 10: I ow, the worst thing for me, the best thing
1:17:08
Speaker 10: for me in my career. I'll just speak about myself.
1:17:09
Speaker 10: It's easier than be giving judging other guys. Early in
1:17:13
Speaker 10: my career when I came out, when we went two
1:17:16
Speaker 10: tight ends in Chicago, Desmond Clark, who was the other
1:17:19
Speaker 10: tight end with me, the vet.
1:17:20
Speaker 7: He was the why.
1:17:21
Speaker 10: He was the true tight end, and I was the
1:17:23
Speaker 10: F I was in the slot. I was the third receiver.
1:17:26
Speaker 10: That was never my game. I was not comfortable out there.
1:17:29
Speaker 10: I didn't want to run choice routes. I didn't want
1:17:31
Speaker 10: to run underneath like that was not who I was.
1:17:34
Speaker 10: The best thing for my career was playing the why,
1:17:37
Speaker 10: because I was the why. Whether it was twelve eleven, thirteen,
1:17:41
Speaker 10: twenty one, it didn't matter.
1:17:42
Speaker 7: I was the why.
1:17:44
Speaker 10: So my matchups were linebackers in safeties I was. I
1:17:47
Speaker 10: was in the run game, so I was in the
1:17:49
Speaker 10: game every single snap, so there was no tendencies. Hey,
1:17:51
Speaker 10: Olsen's in the game, let's play nickel pass. Olsen's not
1:17:54
Speaker 10: in the game. We can play run like when you
1:17:56
Speaker 10: can play every down and you don't have to be
1:17:59
Speaker 10: so predicted bowl in your personnel groupings based on your tendencies.
1:18:03
Speaker 10: That was the best thing that ever happened to me.
1:18:04
Speaker 10: If I had to play my early in my career,
1:18:06
Speaker 10: when Charles Woodson was in Green Bay, Don Capers was
1:18:11
Speaker 10: the decordinator, and then I forget who took over for him.
1:18:13
Speaker 10: My rookie year, we're breaking the huddle and I got
1:18:16
Speaker 10: Charles Woodson guarding me in the slot. They made him
1:18:20
Speaker 10: like a dime linebacker. So I mean, this was fifteen
1:18:23
Speaker 10: years ago, and they made him the dime linebacker. They
1:18:26
Speaker 10: played two high safeties, he in essence became the other
1:18:29
Speaker 10: Nickel and he would play me two man in the slot.
1:18:32
Speaker 10: And he was a Hall of Famer and I was
1:18:34
Speaker 10: in my first and second year. That was a bad
1:18:36
Speaker 10: matchup for me. I'm saying, put me back in the box.
1:18:39
Speaker 10: I want to run routes against linebackers and say, I
1:18:41
Speaker 10: don't want to guard a Hall I don't want a
1:18:43
Speaker 10: Hall of Fame defensive back who's a corner now at
1:18:46
Speaker 10: this part playing safety, that's not in my best interest.
1:18:50
Speaker 10: But teams played us nickel to twelve early in my career,
1:18:54
Speaker 10: and the better I got at blocking, and the better
1:18:56
Speaker 10: I got at being on the field in all personnel groupings,
1:19:00
Speaker 10: more of an advantage I got in the passing game.
1:19:02
Speaker 2: Think about you in some of these offensive schemes nowadays, Greg,
1:19:05
Speaker 2: Oh my god, bro, it's like that.
1:19:07
Speaker 7: That's nowadays. I'm like, oh, and you're.
1:19:11
Speaker 4: Seeing how much offenses have grown schematically, the thought process
1:19:15
Speaker 4: utilizing the personnel, Like that's why That's why George Kittle
1:19:20
Speaker 4: is such a beast, because he's somebody who again who
1:19:22
Speaker 4: can be a true why. He can block, he can
1:19:24
Speaker 4: receive versus like a Travis Kelcey to where you'll have
1:19:28
Speaker 4: that extra tight end in there. Maybe they give some
1:19:30
Speaker 4: disguise and you kind of got some freaks around him
1:19:32
Speaker 4: on the outside so where you can still be in
1:19:34
Speaker 4: the gun at times. You know, he's more of a
1:19:36
Speaker 4: pass savvy tight end. But like yourself, Greg like Kittle, Gronk.
1:19:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gronk was a big one that changed a whole
1:19:43
Speaker 1: lot of things because you have no idea how to
1:19:45
Speaker 1: set up against.
1:19:46
Speaker 10: It's a great you guys got me taking my jacket off.
1:19:48
Speaker 10: You guys got yeah.
1:19:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:19:51
Speaker 1: It is so interesting to see, like the thought process
1:19:53
Speaker 1: of defensive coordinators. Are you playing against the personnel? You
1:19:55
Speaker 1: play against tendencies, and it's something that as an offensive
1:19:59
Speaker 1: lineman you don't really think about. You was say, okay,
1:20:00
Speaker 1: we're in twelve thirteen personnel, they're going to bring base
1:20:03
Speaker 1: out here, and now it's like that's no longer what
1:20:05
Speaker 1: it case. And that's when I was playing, That's how
1:20:07
Speaker 1: it always was, like, Hey, we're gonna put bigger bodies
1:20:09
Speaker 1: in the field because we had a Delaney Walker who
1:20:12
Speaker 1: was kind of that wide tight end that could he
1:20:14
Speaker 1: could run block a little bit, but also he was
1:20:16
Speaker 1: one of our best pass casts. And you just you
1:20:19
Speaker 1: start to learn the game of chess that has to
1:20:21
Speaker 1: take place weekend and week out, and then hearing about, hey,
1:20:24
Speaker 1: how's my offense, because that's going to change dramatically. How
1:20:26
Speaker 1: I call this defense. It's it's it's Awesomeoba is in
1:20:31
Speaker 1: a great place.
1:20:33
Speaker 10: The guys are just more versatile now, Taylor than they were.
1:20:36
Speaker 10: You know, even when we were playing five. You know,
1:20:39
Speaker 10: I'm out five years so eight years ago, ten years ago, Like,
1:20:42
Speaker 10: guys are more versatile, right. There's receivers now that are
1:20:45
Speaker 10: legitimate threats in the run game, blocking edges, adding gaps
1:20:49
Speaker 10: to the.
1:20:49
Speaker 2: Defense in the line of scrimmage.
1:20:52
Speaker 10: Puka Naku When did we ever what was the when
1:20:54
Speaker 10: we used to run run game, especially even Nickel twelve,
1:20:57
Speaker 10: It didn't matter what it was Nickel run. The receivers
1:20:59
Speaker 10: were out on the numbers playing Patty Cake with the corner.
1:21:02
Speaker 10: Every once in a while, if it was quarters and
1:21:04
Speaker 10: it was Bob Sanders or it was a dude at safety,
1:21:07
Speaker 10: we would crack replace and we would go and the
1:21:09
Speaker 10: receiver would go dig out that force player. That was
1:21:11
Speaker 10: the extent of receiver run game responsibility in a lot
1:21:16
Speaker 10: of these offenses now, especially the real tight, condensed formations
1:21:19
Speaker 10: of the floor tree, I mean the McVeigh and Shanahan
1:21:22
Speaker 10: type tree. You can't play in those offenses as a receiver, yeah,
1:21:26
Speaker 10: if you don't block. So it's just a completely different
1:21:30
Speaker 10: mindset now. And you know, we could say the same
1:21:32
Speaker 10: thing about running backs, right, like the McCaffrey's of the world,
1:21:35
Speaker 10: Like McCaffrey's McCaffrey because of what he can do in
1:21:38
Speaker 10: the passing game, he's a receiver. He is so uniquely
1:21:43
Speaker 10: talented compared to other running backs. That's why his value
1:21:46
Speaker 10: is so much higher.
1:21:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:21:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like I would sit there in defensive meetings
1:21:51
Speaker 4: when they'd be going over if like say, I would
1:21:54
Speaker 4: be the guy out going Nickel against like twelve, and
1:21:57
Speaker 4: I would just be sitting there thinking in my head,
1:21:59
Speaker 4: why wouldn't all offenses just if we're gonna run Nickel?
1:22:02
Speaker 4: This if I'm the OC and I kind of see
1:22:03
Speaker 4: that we're running Nickel, knowing how they're trying to coach
1:22:06
Speaker 4: this nickel right on. Hey, Mike's gonna make the close call.
1:22:09
Speaker 4: Let's say left. You just go line up on the right,
1:22:11
Speaker 4: find the open bubble that'll be your gap. I'm thinking,
1:22:14
Speaker 4: in my head, if OC's just understood this conversation being had,
1:22:18
Speaker 4: why wouldn't they just live in this personnel, keep us
1:22:20
Speaker 4: in nickel and force this this defensive back to play
1:22:23
Speaker 4: in the run game enough so to where now he's
1:22:26
Speaker 4: all fucked up because he's trying to commit to the
1:22:28
Speaker 4: run game so much, and now you crack him over
1:22:30
Speaker 4: the top with a play action pass, and now seeing
1:22:33
Speaker 4: it happen, it's just it's fascinating.
1:22:35
Speaker 1: You're ahead of your tongue.
1:22:36
Speaker 4: I'm like, sitting there, I'm just thinking in my head,
1:22:39
Speaker 4: if you're just if that OC was just sitting in
1:22:42
Speaker 4: this meeting room and knew this is how we were
1:22:44
Speaker 4: kind of trying to adjust, Like, hey, they're gonna be
1:22:45
Speaker 4: in twelve personnel, but they're kind of gonna show us
1:22:48
Speaker 4: more eleven looks than anything else. We're just gonna stay
1:22:50
Speaker 4: in nickel and and if they do line up at
1:22:53
Speaker 4: ace or put two tight ends in, hey buddy, here's
1:22:55
Speaker 4: where you're gonna kind of fit it's gonna be unlikely,
1:22:58
Speaker 4: but if it does happen, just take care of this
1:23:00
Speaker 4: b gap on the backside for us.
1:23:02
Speaker 7: And so, how many.
1:23:03
Speaker 10: Teams over the years when they brought two tight ends,
1:23:05
Speaker 10: Let's be honest, how many teams could bring two tight
1:23:08
Speaker 10: ends in twelve and be equally good in the passing
1:23:11
Speaker 10: game both guys, not just the f both guys be
1:23:14
Speaker 10: equally good in the passing game, and both guys equally
1:23:18
Speaker 10: good in the run game.
1:23:19
Speaker 7: How many offenses in the last ten years have been
1:23:22
Speaker 7: able to do that?
1:23:24
Speaker 2: Do you have the answer?
1:23:26
Speaker 7: It's not very many. It's less than a handful.
1:23:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, But now it's trending to where your car changing.
1:23:35
Speaker 7: That's what I think.
1:23:36
Speaker 10: My point is, it's a lot more relevant today than
1:23:39
Speaker 10: it was earlier in my career, where there was that's
1:23:42
Speaker 10: the blocker, that's the receiver, and we're going to treat
1:23:45
Speaker 10: them as such, even though if they're both in the game.
1:23:47
Speaker 10: I don't care if we call them tight ends hvacs.
1:23:51
Speaker 10: That guy could be a right tackle. He is zero
1:23:54
Speaker 10: fret to do anything in the passing game outside of.
1:23:57
Speaker 7: A spot route or as sticky.
1:23:59
Speaker 10: That guy, he he's not digging out a sea gap
1:24:01
Speaker 10: power player. He's not cutting off the backside zone. He
1:24:05
Speaker 10: is a f wide receiver. That was the game when
1:24:08
Speaker 10: I came into the league fifteen years ago. That has
1:24:11
Speaker 10: really been muddy. The lines have been blurred between the
1:24:15
Speaker 10: ability to do multiple things, not just that tight end
1:24:18
Speaker 10: running back wide receiver line like it's it's a lot
1:24:22
Speaker 10: more positionless in today's NFL on both sides of the
1:24:25
Speaker 10: ball than it was when I came in the league
1:24:28
Speaker 10: fifteen years ago.
1:24:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:24:33
Speaker 10: How many two hundred and seventy pounds three four linebackers
1:24:36
Speaker 10: play in the league anymore? Levon Kirkland and zero Pittsburgh.
1:24:41
Speaker 2: It's like you see you see guys every now and then.
1:24:43
Speaker 4: It's like Nick Bolton, Like that's somebody who was thick
1:24:46
Speaker 4: and will knock your dick in the dirt.
1:24:47
Speaker 2: But he can also run, yes, because he's there.
1:24:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, you think he weighs to forty maybe to forty five.
1:24:56
Speaker 10: But when we can do the league, he's a six
1:24:58
Speaker 10: line especially if you were a three like all those
1:25:00
Speaker 10: Ampsy North teams, you know, the Steelers and the Ravens.
1:25:05
Speaker 10: I mean, when I first came in the league, three
1:25:07
Speaker 10: four base linebackers were two hundred and sixty pounds.
1:25:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:25:12
Speaker 7: Those guards in three four were three fifty yeah.
1:25:16
Speaker 10: Yeah, And then they would they would walk off the
1:25:18
Speaker 10: field and you would go nickel and they would the trap.
1:25:23
Speaker 10: The lines being blurred between you're a three technique, you a.
1:25:28
Speaker 7: Nose, Sure, you're a mic or a will I.
1:25:31
Speaker 10: Don't know you all kind of everyone kind of looks
1:25:33
Speaker 10: the same body type wise.
1:25:35
Speaker 4: Oh, here's how we're going to defend this wide zone scheme.
1:25:38
Speaker 4: Now it's coming into rights.
1:25:40
Speaker 7: Like, which I think is super fun to talk about.
1:25:44
Speaker 4: I had Terrence knighton in front of me one year,
1:25:46
Speaker 4: is on like the back breatings career, and he was
1:25:48
Speaker 4: they called him pot ROAs like he was massive, like
1:25:49
Speaker 4: three fifty three sixty. You just will if there's a
1:25:54
Speaker 4: if there's a YU tied in, it's like you're having
1:25:56
Speaker 4: to gas him and just get him going to the
1:25:59
Speaker 4: side of where you're assuming the wide zone is going
1:26:01
Speaker 4: to be, just to get them running.
1:26:02
Speaker 1: Dude. My rookie year, we were playing the Bengals and
1:26:05
Speaker 1: they just most recently played the Ravens, and I saw
1:26:08
Speaker 1: Ray Monteluga on a pin Polls game take a tackle
1:26:12
Speaker 1: out like declete him and it's like you don't really
1:26:15
Speaker 1: see that anymore. Those types of linebackers that are just
1:26:17
Speaker 1: like cowboy collar esque type guys, the ray Lewis Is
1:26:21
Speaker 1: that are just murdering people. Guess yourself why, because the
1:26:24
Speaker 1: evolution of the tight end, it seems like, right.
1:26:30
Speaker 10: Ray Lewis, probably ray Lewis is probably not the example,
1:26:32
Speaker 10: even though he was that big type body. But the
1:26:35
Speaker 10: reason those guys can't play anymore is because they're not
1:26:37
Speaker 10: three down players, and their weaknesses, as physical as they
1:26:41
Speaker 10: are and as stout as they are in the run game,
1:26:43
Speaker 10: their liabilities in coverage, their liabilities to match man and
1:26:48
Speaker 10: if you're forced to only play zones, can they tackle
1:26:51
Speaker 10: in space? Can they cover? Like the liability in coverage
1:26:54
Speaker 10: is not worth the advantage gained by their stout and
1:26:58
Speaker 10: physicality in the run game, because defenses realize, this guy
1:27:02
Speaker 10: might be great stopping the run, but if he's an
1:27:05
Speaker 10: absolute liability in the passing.
1:27:06
Speaker 7: Game, he can't be on the field. Yeah, he is
1:27:09
Speaker 7: going to be.
1:27:10
Speaker 10: He's going to be attacked, he's going to be isolated,
1:27:13
Speaker 10: and we are gonna die a lot faster death this
1:27:15
Speaker 10: guy being exploited in the run game. In the passing game,
1:27:18
Speaker 10: then him on first and second down being really good
1:27:20
Speaker 10: against will lead ISO Like yeah, it just doesn't matter.
1:27:24
Speaker 2: And those superstars they don't really walk around. It's like
1:27:27
Speaker 2: you got it all.
1:27:30
Speaker 4: I mean, there are there are good backers who can
1:27:32
Speaker 4: play all three downs, but at a superstar level, like
1:27:34
Speaker 4: a keek Ley and Fred Warner.
1:27:35
Speaker 2: Like they're those.
1:27:36
Speaker 10: Guys that you get him, you paying thirty million, and
1:27:38
Speaker 10: you don't let him walk out the door.
1:27:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:27:40
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's always exceptions to all of these rules, right,
1:27:44
Speaker 10: Like that's why those guys are the elite of the elite.
1:27:47
Speaker 10: But every other team is trying to figure out Most
1:27:49
Speaker 10: teams are trying to figure out how to be good
1:27:51
Speaker 10: in all these areas without just having the best player
1:27:54
Speaker 10: on the field. If you have the best player on
1:27:56
Speaker 10: the field, it makes coaching a lot of these intricacies
1:27:59
Speaker 10: a lot simpler.
1:28:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to assume too.
1:28:01
Speaker 4: These are how a lot of these staff meetings probably
1:28:03
Speaker 4: go when trying to game plan.
1:28:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, what bodies are we going to be putting out there?
1:28:09
Speaker 2: This was fun?
1:28:09
Speaker 7: Great, It all goes hand in hand.
1:28:10
Speaker 2: It all goes hand in hand.
1:28:12
Speaker 1: What are we going to see I formation again?
1:28:13
Speaker 4: Twenty two personnel saw you saw something you saw, so yeah,
1:28:17
Speaker 4: you're seeing it again like yesterday.
1:28:19
Speaker 1: Like Downhill isotype stuff.
1:28:20
Speaker 4: Yesterday Joe Brady, they were they were gashing him with
1:28:24
Speaker 4: some rap leads in twelve like twenty two personnel, like
1:28:28
Speaker 4: some good old fashioned rap leads that were gashing them spags.
1:28:31
Speaker 4: They adjust to it in the second half, but again
1:28:33
Speaker 4: it's like you're just seeing some of these old like
1:28:35
Speaker 4: some of the traditional sets just coming back. Whether or
1:28:38
Speaker 4: not they should run game and everything else, but it's
1:28:41
Speaker 4: been fun.
1:28:41
Speaker 2: It's been fun.
1:28:42
Speaker 10: I think teams should do it more. Now does everybody
1:28:44
Speaker 10: have a full back? That's a different conversation. It's kind
1:28:47
Speaker 10: of a lost art. But like, I think teams should
1:28:51
Speaker 10: run more two back. I think it really works well
1:28:53
Speaker 10: under center play action. I think it really does a
1:28:55
Speaker 10: stressful job on the defense changing gaps. And now we're
1:28:59
Speaker 10: splitting apps with a lead blocker, right, so now that
1:29:01
Speaker 10: that that b gap.
1:29:03
Speaker 7: Will insert play that everyone ran for him.
1:29:05
Speaker 10: It was like the first install any of us ever learned, right,
1:29:07
Speaker 10: was ie formation to the weak side, and the full
1:29:11
Speaker 10: back and the will linebacker just smashed into each other.
1:29:13
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, the part.
1:29:15
Speaker 10: We never learned back in the day that now defenses
1:29:17
Speaker 10: are realizing is well, all of a sudden, that B
1:29:19
Speaker 10: gap became two gaps, So now you need to have
1:29:22
Speaker 10: two players, someone on the outside of the blocker inside.
1:29:25
Speaker 10: It's hard teams. These kids don't grow up fitting full
1:29:29
Speaker 10: back ISO anymore. They don't they don't do two back
1:29:32
Speaker 10: power anymore. Like, these guys are not used to defending
1:29:35
Speaker 10: these plays. So if you are good at that element,
1:29:37
Speaker 10: it can be a very effective kind of wrinkle that
1:29:40
Speaker 10: defenses are not accustomed to defending.
1:29:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, before before we get you out of here. Yeah,
1:29:48
Speaker 1: Ravens destroy the Dolphins. The Dolphins fire their GM Chris Greer,
1:29:53
Speaker 1: but they don't fire McDaniels. How do we feel about that?
1:30:00
Speaker 10: So I'll be I want to be very clear. I
1:30:02
Speaker 10: never call for anyone to get fired. I think they're
1:30:05
Speaker 10: in a society where I've been cut, I've been released,
1:30:09
Speaker 10: I've been traded. I've been on teams where my position
1:30:12
Speaker 10: coach got fired and I had to sit in his
1:30:14
Speaker 10: office and like literally sit there and be like, dude,
1:30:16
Speaker 10: I failed you, like my tight end coach, you got
1:30:19
Speaker 10: fired like that was because of me or offensive coordinator
1:30:23
Speaker 10: head coach.
1:30:23
Speaker 7: I've been on a team with the head coaches.
1:30:25
Speaker 10: So I've experienced all that, so I never I think
1:30:28
Speaker 10: we're in a society where fans really disconnect, Like these
1:30:31
Speaker 10: are human beings with jobs and families and they're losing
1:30:34
Speaker 10: their livelihood and they got to uproot and go somewhere else.
1:30:38
Speaker 10: I get why, because the environment and the competitive spirit.
1:30:40
Speaker 10: So I just want to preface it by saying I
1:30:42
Speaker 10: don't ever root for anyone to get fired.
1:30:44
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was shocked.
1:30:47
Speaker 10: That if a change was made, it was going to
1:30:49
Speaker 10: be in the front office. Like watching that game. I
1:30:53
Speaker 10: don't know if at any point now are they the
1:30:55
Speaker 10: most talented roster. No, but did I watch that game
1:30:59
Speaker 10: and be like, and if the GM did a better job,
1:31:01
Speaker 10: they wouldn't have wasted that time out, or the GM
1:31:04
Speaker 10: did a better job, they wouldn't have gotten that illegal formation,
1:31:06
Speaker 10: or like all the little details that kind of fell
1:31:09
Speaker 10: apart for Miami, especially early in that game when they
1:31:13
Speaker 10: were still competitive and they were in it.
1:31:16
Speaker 7: I don't to.
1:31:17
Speaker 10: Wake up the next day and see change was made.
1:31:20
Speaker 10: Maybe wasn't surprising. I'm not saying I would have fired Mike,
1:31:25
Speaker 10: but I don't know. That just felt that felt personal,
1:31:30
Speaker 10: That felt like it had been brewing, and there was
1:31:32
Speaker 10: personal animosity between ownership again I'm speculating right, and front office,
1:31:37
Speaker 10: and like the owner just felt like, we have to
1:31:40
Speaker 10: do something. We're in bed with this coach. He's our
1:31:42
Speaker 10: offensive play caller. We don't want to replace the OC
1:31:45
Speaker 10: and head coach, which ultimately you would be doing. But
1:31:48
Speaker 10: our fans are also not going to wake up this
1:31:50
Speaker 10: morning and just say status quo is acceptable. So it
1:31:53
Speaker 10: kind of felt like that to me. But that was
1:31:58
Speaker 10: a tough That was tough ball to watch that. There
1:32:00
Speaker 10: was a lot going on in that game.
1:32:02
Speaker 7: That's just bat ball.
1:32:04
Speaker 4: They were in fourth and goal once and I think
1:32:06
Speaker 4: they went maybe an empty and throw a fade ball.
1:32:09
Speaker 1: To the It was, Yeah, it was horrendous to watch.
1:32:16
Speaker 10: They want to throw a first down jump ball to
1:32:18
Speaker 10: Justin Jefferson, Okay.
1:32:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean the reason why I even brought
1:32:23
Speaker 1: that question, the reason why I even bring that question up,
1:32:27
Speaker 1: was that Steven A. Smith the next day, he's going
1:32:29
Speaker 1: on a tangent. I think he was making like a
1:32:31
Speaker 1: racial thing about everything going down there. I'm not going
1:32:34
Speaker 1: down that road. I'm looking at from a longer playstandpoint,
1:32:37
Speaker 1: where you know, Mike McDaniels at the end of the year,
1:32:39
Speaker 1: when it's the Black Friday or the Black Monday, whenever
1:32:42
Speaker 1: they start getting rid of head coaches, I think his
1:32:44
Speaker 1: name ends up getting called and cut where the Dolphins
1:32:48
Speaker 1: need a new head coach. The the thing that I
1:32:50
Speaker 1: think makes us a good mover where I can look
1:32:52
Speaker 1: at it and be Okay, I can see why they
1:32:54
Speaker 1: did that, was you look at teams like the Titans
1:32:57
Speaker 1: or other franchises that have had like this up and down,
1:33:00
Speaker 1: where you hire a head coach, then you get a
1:33:02
Speaker 1: general manager. Those two don't necessarily get along, so when
1:33:05
Speaker 1: you fire the head coach and then and then it's
1:33:07
Speaker 1: kind of back and forth, you're losing one gaining behind
1:33:09
Speaker 1: the always. So maybe in this way, like you know
1:33:13
Speaker 1: who your general manager is going to be in the future,
1:33:15
Speaker 1: you figure that out to where you know who his
1:33:17
Speaker 1: guy is going to be, so it's gonna be one
1:33:20
Speaker 1: smooth transition when he gets the new year, the new
1:33:22
Speaker 1: year of the new season, and you have a GM
1:33:24
Speaker 1: a head coach that are aligned with the ownership. That's
1:33:27
Speaker 1: the only place I can look at and be like,
1:33:29
Speaker 1: all right, maybe this is a good chess move for
1:33:31
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Am I making any sense in that?
1:33:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're saying get rid of If you get rid
1:33:34
Speaker 4: of the GM, now you're on the lookout. You're trying
1:33:36
Speaker 4: to figure out your GM.
1:33:37
Speaker 1: You're gonna find out your GM guy who's essentially gonna
1:33:39
Speaker 1: find your head coach, is going to be as well
1:33:41
Speaker 1: because you go get you fire the head coach and
1:33:43
Speaker 1: the GM's there. Well, obviously they're not happy with the GM.
1:33:45
Speaker 1: He gets rid of the whole entire secondary from last year.
1:33:48
Speaker 1: Their secondary is not great, Like, they haven't done a
1:33:50
Speaker 1: good job of establishing a competitive roster, so he's gonna
1:33:54
Speaker 1: be gone as well. You might as well get the
1:33:56
Speaker 1: top piece first before you insert this head coach piece.
1:34:00
Speaker 1: So everyone's kind of a line top to bottom.
1:34:02
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Yeah? I can buy that.
1:34:03
Speaker 10: I think there's an order of operations. Yeah, that is
1:34:06
Speaker 10: part of this whole entire picture, right, and then you
1:34:08
Speaker 10: factor in how many teams that we've seen do the
1:34:11
Speaker 10: alternating front office head coach draft a quarterback, then fire
1:34:15
Speaker 10: the coach draft like and that song and dance just
1:34:18
Speaker 10: ends up you end up chasing your tail. There is
1:34:19
Speaker 10: an order of operations that makes sense to all of us.
1:34:24
Speaker 10: It doesn't feel like that's the order that most teams
1:34:26
Speaker 10: end up operating in. I'd also add to that, like
1:34:31
Speaker 10: when was the last time, I mean, I guess when
1:34:33
Speaker 10: the Panthers fired they fired a rule and promoted Wilkes.
1:34:40
Speaker 10: I would argue that they got better. But traditionally speaking,
1:34:44
Speaker 10: what team that's so bad that they fire their coach
1:34:47
Speaker 10: during the season promotes an interim and things get better?
1:34:51
Speaker 10: Like let's look at this year, like, are the Titans better?
1:34:55
Speaker 10: I mean, you follow them obviously, Taylor, Like, have things
1:34:57
Speaker 10: gotten better because they fired their coach? And we five
1:35:01
Speaker 10: last year with the Jets when they fired Salah, did
1:35:04
Speaker 10: things get better? I mean, like, generally speaking, firing your
1:35:10
Speaker 10: head coach might feel good. It might just stop having
1:35:12
Speaker 10: that question asked in the in the press conferences and
1:35:16
Speaker 10: articles stopped being written. But as far as actually affecting
1:35:19
Speaker 10: the outcome and the competency of your football, there might
1:35:23
Speaker 10: be a couple outliers where interim coaches have actually improved it.
1:35:26
Speaker 10: Wilkes is the first one that comes.
1:35:27
Speaker 2: To the wind. In Carolina, Basacia years ago went out.
1:35:35
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Malarkey when he was the internet coach.
1:35:38
Speaker 1: We won one more game, win nine and seven the
1:35:40
Speaker 1: next year.
1:35:41
Speaker 10: Yea, yeah, yeah, so there's a couple of outliers. Traditionally speaking,
1:35:46
Speaker 10: it just continues to unfold, right, It just are usually
1:35:51
Speaker 10: bad for a reason. You're usually getting fired for a
1:35:53
Speaker 10: reason every now and then. Can a message connect better?
1:35:58
Speaker 2: Sure?
1:35:58
Speaker 10: When we fired Ron Rivera with I don't know, three games,
1:36:01
Speaker 10: two or three games left in our twenty nineteen season,
1:36:06
Speaker 10: it got exponentially worse. Like I don't know, I just
1:36:11
Speaker 10: I'm not a big fan of just like doing shit
1:36:13
Speaker 10: for the sake of doing it if it's not going
1:36:16
Speaker 10: to have it, if there's not someone on that staff
1:36:18
Speaker 10: that you go, oh, man, let's make this guy the
1:36:20
Speaker 10: head coach, and I want to see what turns around.
1:36:22
Speaker 10: If that guy's not potentially your full time head coach
1:36:26
Speaker 10: going forward, there's no reason to make them the interim
1:36:29
Speaker 10: for the next seven games and just delay the inevitable.
1:36:32
Speaker 1: Yeah right right. A head coach with three games left
1:36:35
Speaker 1: is just insane, that's.
1:36:39
Speaker 2: To you, Antonio.
1:36:40
Speaker 7: It was either maybe it was three or it might
1:36:41
Speaker 7: have been four games, three or four games.
1:36:43
Speaker 1: You get past that week eight mark and there's not
1:36:45
Speaker 1: a guy that you're ently saying, hey, let's see what
1:36:47
Speaker 1: this dude's resume is as an interim head coach on
1:36:50
Speaker 1: your in staff. There there is no reason.
1:36:53
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I guess it isn't like a tryout kind
1:36:57
Speaker 10: of a thing. If you feel like there's the person
1:36:58
Speaker 10: on your staff and I guess that's that's that's probably fair.
1:37:02
Speaker 10: There's also this fake reality of like getting a head start.
1:37:07
Speaker 10: I don't buy that, Like I don't think of today's
1:37:09
Speaker 10: day and age head coaches are like, well, I don't
1:37:12
Speaker 10: really want to go to the Tennessee Titans, just for example,
1:37:15
Speaker 10: Like you know, I don't want to go to Tennessee,
1:37:17
Speaker 10: but they fired their coach so they could contact me earlier,
1:37:20
Speaker 10: So I'm just going to take that job instead of
1:37:22
Speaker 10: waiting to see. I don't think that's how the system works.
1:37:24
Speaker 10: I think good coaches get hired. Whether you fire your
1:37:27
Speaker 10: coach in week five or you fire your coach in
1:37:30
Speaker 10: the second round of the playoffs.
1:37:32
Speaker 7: I think I don't know. I don't know. I just
1:37:34
Speaker 7: think a lot of that is overblown.
1:37:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I'm solid. Greg, you are
1:37:39
Speaker 4: the man, bro. Do you have any more for him?
1:37:41
Speaker 1: No? I appreciate you, great theys, taking time, great ball.
1:37:43
Speaker 7: What coach is jumping on today.
1:37:46
Speaker 2: Who we got to that we have?
1:37:47
Speaker 7: Last week we had Elco jump in.
1:37:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, how cool was that? Heyl with Elcho? It was great, dude,
1:37:52
Speaker 1: seeing you guys talk about a couple of Jersey boys
1:37:54
Speaker 1: just hanging out for a little bit. That was awesome.
1:37:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to Tony V's coming on the bus.
1:38:00
Speaker 2: Nude manager for the San Francisco Giants got I.
1:38:04
Speaker 7: Viewed him on my pod a couple of weeks.
1:38:06
Speaker 10: Uh we a couple of weeks ago, like literally two
1:38:09
Speaker 10: weeks before he took that job.
1:38:10
Speaker 7: I interviewed him. He's the man, bro, He's awesome.
1:38:12
Speaker 4: He is awesome. But he's coming on the bus to
1:38:14
Speaker 4: join us. I don't know if we have any head
1:38:16
Speaker 4: coaches tuned in.
1:38:17
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, not this week.
1:38:19
Speaker 4: Just you.
1:38:19
Speaker 10: Well, you guys were the best man. I always love
1:38:21
Speaker 10: coming on and talking ball with you guys. Appreciate you
1:38:23
Speaker 10: all right, Greg, thank you.
1:38:24
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Speaker 2: By the way, Steelers beating the Colts.
1:40:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one hundred and seventy nine million dollars defense.
1:40:58
Speaker 1: You know what the biggest thing was they got after
1:41:00
Speaker 1: the fucking quarterback.
1:41:01
Speaker 2: Dude.
1:41:02
Speaker 1: You watch all the film the Steels, it seemed like
1:41:04
Speaker 1: all that money up front high Smith, what who's the
1:41:08
Speaker 1: Who's the d tackle? Cameron Hayward, Like they weren't really
1:41:12
Speaker 1: getting the quarterback at all. But this game, for whatever reason,
1:41:14
Speaker 1: I guess an off it's the line who give up
1:41:15
Speaker 1: the second most sacks in the NFL. They were getting
1:41:18
Speaker 1: after Daniel Jones' ass and that was the biggest difference
1:41:22
Speaker 1: maker to me when watching that film.
1:41:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's last named Peyton? Forty one?
1:41:28
Speaker 9: Peyton's NC State. He's a linebacker that we got late
1:41:31
Speaker 9: in the draft because he has no MCLs and his knees.
1:41:33
Speaker 9: Best linebacker in that class, dude, he's he can run,
1:41:36
Speaker 9: he can run combined dog like.
1:41:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, all white team.
1:41:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, they might be out there, but yeah, I thought
1:41:45
Speaker 4: that was a massive win for Pittsburgh. Tough two for
1:41:48
Speaker 4: the Coat, I want to say Danny dines through three picks.
1:41:51
Speaker 1: Three picks to fumbles. Yeah, tough day at.
1:41:53
Speaker 2: The John Us either. Yeah.
1:41:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. It makes it AFC, the AFC North. It makes
1:42:05
Speaker 1: it way more interesting now because the Ravens are gonna
1:42:08
Speaker 1: continue to think they're gonna continue to win. They continue
1:42:10
Speaker 1: to do the thing. I think they'll beat the Vikings
1:42:12
Speaker 1: this weekend. But the Steelers, it's like, do we fall
1:42:15
Speaker 1: back in love with the idea of them winning the
1:42:17
Speaker 1: AFC North.
1:42:18
Speaker 4: It'll be I mean it'll be close because they're what
1:42:20
Speaker 4: two games apart, two games.
1:42:22
Speaker 1: Apart right now, and they played December seventh. Is the
1:42:24
Speaker 1: next time those two teams see each other?
1:42:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea.
1:42:27
Speaker 9: We are in a spiral of of Jacoby Meyers rumors
1:42:30
Speaker 9: for all of Pittsburgh right now, like we're begging for
1:42:33
Speaker 9: another receiver. And that's every chat board right now. I
1:42:35
Speaker 9: thought we looked okay, I thought we looked good. Knew
1:42:37
Speaker 9: we're going to beat the Colts. But like Pittsburgh is.
1:42:39
Speaker 2: You knew you were going to beat the colt.
1:42:42
Speaker 9: The No, no, no, those are the games we win. We're
1:42:44
Speaker 9: gonna lose to the Browns, We're probably gonna beat the
1:42:46
Speaker 9: Bengals and split. We'll lose to the Ravens. We'll lose
1:42:48
Speaker 9: to bad teams. We beat good teams. That's what Tomlin does.
1:42:51
Speaker 9: He brings us back every single year, brings us back in.
1:42:54
Speaker 1: Have you ever been on the the stance of tom
1:42:57
Speaker 1: and needs to go h oh close to me?
1:43:00
Speaker 2: Believe so?
1:43:01
Speaker 9: But I've never said those words Tomlin is We're never
1:43:04
Speaker 9: going to find another guy that's just better than him.
1:43:06
Speaker 9: Would I eventually root for him on another team? Yes,
1:43:09
Speaker 9: I would root for Tomlin to coach a different team
1:43:11
Speaker 9: if that happened. I have never asked for Tomlin to not.
1:43:14
Speaker 2: Be my head coach.
1:43:15
Speaker 1: Buddy. Yeah, you don't want to lose him.
1:43:18
Speaker 2: You don't Another team I just don't want to quit
1:43:20
Speaker 2: on is the Texans.
1:43:22
Speaker 1: I know you don't and honestly, like doesn't get hurt
1:43:26
Speaker 1: in that game, like Texas probably will walk away with
1:43:29
Speaker 1: that game.
1:43:29
Speaker 6: The Broncos are winning games like the Chiefs did last year.
1:43:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and when did you get in?
1:43:34
Speaker 1: Their defense is so fucking good?
1:43:36
Speaker 2: Were you guys tuned into that game?
1:43:38
Speaker 6: Yeah?
1:43:38
Speaker 2: So do you see when what's his name is it?
1:43:41
Speaker 6: R J Harvey?
1:43:42
Speaker 2: R J Harvey scored out.
1:43:44
Speaker 4: Of the backfield to catch that and on that linebacker
1:43:47
Speaker 4: from Alabama on the Texans tote athletic linebacker. But again, hey,
1:43:54
Speaker 4: no bam call. Running back comes out of the backfield
1:43:57
Speaker 4: and sets them up on an option, right, so your
1:43:59
Speaker 4: thinking he's gonna break in or out. He takes off
1:44:02
Speaker 4: behind him easy, touchdown easy, and everybody's like, I'm sure
1:44:05
Speaker 4: everybody's screaming to Oto whatever he can't cover, get him up.
1:44:09
Speaker 4: That is such a hard fucking route to cover. If
1:44:12
Speaker 4: you that's why you gotta use.
1:44:13
Speaker 2: That bam call.
1:44:15
Speaker 1: Gotta use it.
1:44:16
Speaker 7: Got to be a hero.
1:44:17
Speaker 4: Sean Payton offense, Drew Brees bam stay before him.
1:44:21
Speaker 1: Can I answer you? U's a question. I know we're
1:44:22
Speaker 1: gonna be sitting this bus.
1:44:23
Speaker 2: I'll take one.
1:44:24
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, coffee is anybody Coffee's one? Two?
1:44:28
Speaker 7: I'm good?
1:44:29
Speaker 1: Three? God bless it's November. Yeah, so what are we doing?
1:44:35
Speaker 1: Spootoba's over? How great was Spootoo? We'll get to that
1:44:38
Speaker 1: in the recap.
1:44:39
Speaker 4: We'll get to that, get to that bus and get
1:44:40
Speaker 4: to that bus. Yeah tomorrow, I'm doing Hey. And while
1:44:44
Speaker 4: you're talking about that, Jay, anything else on NFL before
1:44:47
Speaker 4: we get back to college.
1:44:49
Speaker 6: Did y'all hit on the Bengals?
1:44:52
Speaker 4: Did not hit on Bengals? Bears got to I wasn't.
1:44:55
Speaker 4: I didn't get to watch. I got to sew. I
1:44:57
Speaker 4: got to see the clips after and seeing Jamar Chase
1:45:01
Speaker 4: just needed one, like everybody just kind of going in
1:45:03
Speaker 4: on that defense, like if you get any type of
1:45:05
Speaker 4: life on defense, like you win that game.
1:45:07
Speaker 6: You should have been watching because t Higgins decided to
1:45:09
Speaker 6: have the best game.
1:45:10
Speaker 4: I saw that he's on the Yeah, he's on the
1:45:13
Speaker 4: fantasy team. I saw you was sitting around like six
1:45:16
Speaker 4: to eight points before.
1:45:17
Speaker 6: That went off.
1:45:20
Speaker 4: Bro to touchdowns that you'll get the fuck off me
1:45:22
Speaker 4: catch Oh yeah.
1:45:25
Speaker 3: The Bengals are the first team ever to score thirty
1:45:28
Speaker 3: eight points in back to back weeks and still lose
1:45:31
Speaker 3: both games. We were talking about this, Bro.
1:45:33
Speaker 4: That has to just I mean, you saw it on
1:45:36
Speaker 4: everybody's face, but just the morale death that just happens
1:45:41
Speaker 4: when it's like the defense just one possession.
1:45:45
Speaker 3: We were talking about this in our pre pro meeting
1:45:49
Speaker 3: conversation to be had about Joe Flacco in the MVP conversation.
1:45:53
Speaker 1: Per Mitch per Mitch, Yeah, I mean, hey, if you
1:45:57
Speaker 1: if we didn't make an envy like a senior m VP,
1:45:59
Speaker 1: if we get like the top five NFL players, will
1:46:02
Speaker 1: be like, this is our guy this year. That needs
1:46:05
Speaker 1: to be a thing because Joe Flacco was doing things.
1:46:07
Speaker 1: Because what was thet be better than Brady at this age?
1:46:09
Speaker 4: What was the stat that was just said thirty first
1:46:12
Speaker 4: team to score over thirty eight two weeks in a
1:46:13
Speaker 4: row and they lose, Like, if you're gonna be the
1:46:16
Speaker 4: mv Like, even if we hypothetically play this game of
1:46:18
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco be in the m v P, like the
1:46:20
Speaker 4: Bengals would still be turned around and coming back in
1:46:23
Speaker 4: like winning games.
1:46:24
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't say, like, Bro, they won the game.
1:46:26
Speaker 3: They're putting up exactly, They're putting up thirty eight points,
1:46:30
Speaker 3: Like you would like to think scoring thirty eight points,
1:46:33
Speaker 3: you're gonna win every game, every game.
1:46:35
Speaker 4: Joe b didn't win the m v P last year,
1:46:37
Speaker 4: and that was the entire story of the season, just
1:46:39
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a defense.
1:46:40
Speaker 2: If he had a defense he'd be walking.
1:46:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, I think there's an argument. I think
1:46:44
Speaker 1: Joey b should have won it, like his numbers.
1:46:47
Speaker 2: Who's been on the team the entire time, like he
1:46:49
Speaker 2: was also on the Browns.
1:46:51
Speaker 1: Listen, at the end of the day, we're talking about
1:46:54
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco winning the MVP, which I know is not
1:46:56
Speaker 1: the case.
1:46:57
Speaker 3: It's a conversation.
1:46:57
Speaker 1: It's a conversation. I do think Joe Burrow should have
1:47:00
Speaker 1: won the MVP last year because it's like who's the
1:47:02
Speaker 1: most like the most valuable player, and Joe Burrow, after
1:47:06
Speaker 1: going what three and five or whatever their record was,
1:47:09
Speaker 1: like ends up being like one or two games away
1:47:11
Speaker 1: from getting into the playoffs. Like without Joe Burrow, that
1:47:13
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Joe Flacco, buddy, he is incredible. To where
1:47:18
Speaker 1: we put so much on the Cowboys defense, it's like
1:47:22
Speaker 1: it's kind of muzzled and we've kind of forgot about
1:47:24
Speaker 1: the Bengals defense. The Bengals defense, there needs to be
1:47:26
Speaker 1: an indictment in all of them. Every single guy out
1:47:29
Speaker 1: there needs to be questioned. Well, the difference is the
1:47:32
Speaker 1: Bengals being the AFC North. Everybody's talking about the Ravens comeback.
1:47:35
Speaker 1: Steelers kind of have the division right now at the moment.
1:47:38
Speaker 1: And then with the with the Cowboys. Like the Cowboys,
1:47:42
Speaker 1: they're still in conversations of the division. They're not everybody
1:47:46
Speaker 1: is everybody else convinced? I guess we can be convinced
1:47:49
Speaker 1: of the Eagles.
1:47:50
Speaker 2: The Eagles.
1:47:50
Speaker 1: The Eagles are of all the of all the divisions,
1:47:54
Speaker 1: the Eagles are the most clearly going to win their
1:47:56
Speaker 1: division most clearly. The Commanders just lost it. Commanders just
1:48:03
Speaker 1: lost bad and their quarterback when they was thirty eight
1:48:07
Speaker 1: to seven and he's still in the game with seven
1:48:08
Speaker 1: minutes left. The Cowboys defense is horrendous. And if they
1:48:13
Speaker 1: play all their games at home, yeah, I could see
1:48:15
Speaker 1: the Cowboys making it to the playoffs. They score forty
1:48:16
Speaker 1: two points a game when they're at home. And then
1:48:18
Speaker 1: there's the Giants Science who just lost camp and it's like, yeah, yeah,
1:48:23
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart who put up twenty four points last game.
1:48:25
Speaker 1: But it's it's the forty nine Ers who have all
1:48:28
Speaker 1: their first team out, who are literally down the most
1:48:30
Speaker 1: people in all of the NFL that that division is
1:48:33
Speaker 1: it's over. And I feel very comfortable saying that that
1:48:37
Speaker 1: division is done.
1:48:40
Speaker 4: Weeks ago, you were buying the Cowboys. You're like this team, right.
1:48:43
Speaker 1: And they broke my fucking heart. Will? All right, I
1:48:46
Speaker 1: sat there, I did the whole girlfriend thing. We dated,
1:48:48
Speaker 1: I fell in love. I said I love you first.
1:48:50
Speaker 1: You know what they said back to me, thank you.
1:48:52
Speaker 1: Turns out they were cheating on me with a hotter guy.
1:48:54
Speaker 1: Like that is the feeling I have for the Cowboys
1:48:56
Speaker 1: right now. Your offense is a championship caliber offense at home,
1:49:00
Speaker 1: you're a different team when you're away. And your defense,
1:49:03
Speaker 1: regardless if your home, we're away, you're bad. That's how
1:49:06
Speaker 1: it is. That's point blank.
1:49:07
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's Philly's like the most clear
1:49:09
Speaker 2: cut division winner.
1:49:11
Speaker 1: I like, it's like I did just say that, pulled
1:49:14
Speaker 1: the divisions. Pull the divisions.
1:49:16
Speaker 2: You got the Bucks and it's Falcons Panthers that are
1:49:18
Speaker 2: behind them.
1:49:19
Speaker 1: Colts have the game they do. It's like the Jags
1:49:23
Speaker 1: and Hugh like, Will is not willing to go rom
1:49:25
Speaker 1: the Texans so that that you throw them out the window.
1:49:27
Speaker 1: AFC West obviously is not just the Broncos are running
1:49:30
Speaker 1: with it. Uh, the North, that's it. That's gonna be
1:49:34
Speaker 1: a shit show. The Bengals should be in that conversation
1:49:36
Speaker 1: these last two games, but their defense sucks so bad.
1:49:39
Speaker 1: The East, it's Patriots.
1:49:41
Speaker 2: And Bills all right now.
1:49:44
Speaker 1: NFC East Eagles clearly okay, go down. NFC North, we
1:49:48
Speaker 1: have no idea who's gonna win that division.
1:49:50
Speaker 8: And breaking news confirmed test reports Tucker Kraft torn Aco. Oh,
1:49:56
Speaker 8: very sad news for the boy and he was on
1:49:58
Speaker 8: pace for a really history.
1:50:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, people were saying best tight in the NFL. Yeah,
1:50:03
Speaker 1: that is heartbreaking. Should we have a moment of silence
1:50:06
Speaker 1: for dark Craft? Hats off.
1:50:11
Speaker 2: Beer Olympics alumni. We love you Tucker, We.
1:50:15
Speaker 1: Love you, Tucker Dog. That is heartbreaking, heartbreaking.
1:50:19
Speaker 2: NFC West is up in the air. But look at
1:50:21
Speaker 2: the NFC South.
1:50:22
Speaker 1: NFC South, Yeah that that's a great argument, is the
1:50:27
Speaker 1: NFC South. Yeah, that's a great that's a that's going
1:50:29
Speaker 1: But it's like the Bucks are, that the Panthers are
1:50:32
Speaker 1: weirdly sneaky, that the Falcons are like the most inconsistent
1:50:35
Speaker 1: team in all of the NFL. But like you could
1:50:38
Speaker 1: see some shit going down, especially with Tampa Bay being
1:50:40
Speaker 1: as injured as they are, they might drop a couple
1:50:42
Speaker 1: and might get weird in December. That's the argument there.
1:50:44
Speaker 1: I do think the Bucks walk away with that division
1:50:47
Speaker 1: NFC NFC West, we don't even need to have a conversation.
1:50:49
Speaker 1: That's a that's a three way race right now, is
1:50:51
Speaker 1: that it? It's like, if you're looking at all of
1:50:54
Speaker 1: these divisions, we can all sit here in confee be
1:50:57
Speaker 1: like the Eagles are going to win the NFC East.
1:51:00
Speaker 1: That is I'm going I'm willing to put responsibly my
1:51:03
Speaker 1: mortgage on it.
1:51:04
Speaker 5: Responsible Where the Cowboys just rain hell tonight next week,
1:51:10
Speaker 5: You're gonna be like the cowboy.
1:51:11
Speaker 1: No, I can't do that again. And if I do
1:51:13
Speaker 1: do that, that's when your boys, when you're always in
1:51:15
Speaker 1: a TALKX relationship, like you got to sit them down
1:51:17
Speaker 1: and you guys say, be like Taylor, listen, you did
1:51:19
Speaker 1: this two weeks ago, don't do this again. And Derek, honestly,
1:51:22
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you, gotta be the guy to get
1:51:24
Speaker 1: me on that one pinky promise done because I am
1:51:29
Speaker 1: a cat, I'm a hopeless romantic. I will fall for
1:51:31
Speaker 1: that traff again. You see me with the Steelers.
1:51:33
Speaker 9: I'm in the same relationship right now, but I don't
1:51:35
Speaker 9: want anyone to tell me.
1:51:36
Speaker 2: To get away from the relationship.
1:51:37
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing.
1:51:38
Speaker 9: I'll sign up for it, but I'll protect you from
1:51:40
Speaker 9: what you're about to get into.
1:51:41
Speaker 1: I can respect that. And Mitch, I didn't ask you,
1:51:43
Speaker 1: but I got you a seasonal bevy. I got it
1:51:45
Speaker 1: hot though. Is that okay?
1:51:46
Speaker 7: Whatever works?
1:51:47
Speaker 1: Cool?
1:51:47
Speaker 10: Hey?
1:51:47
Speaker 1: Also, don't sleep yours whole milk, thank you.
1:51:50
Speaker 8: Do not sleep on what it is being called potentially
1:51:52
Speaker 8: the biggest game of the season Week seventeen Titan Saints
1:51:56
Speaker 8: for the first round of the draft pick.
1:51:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't say it's.
1:51:58
Speaker 1: What we all want, dude, It's what we all said
1:52:01
Speaker 1: on Twitter.
1:52:01
Speaker 8: It's either going to be a six to three or
1:52:04
Speaker 8: eighty five to eighty seven final score.
1:52:06
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see if JP.
1:52:10
Speaker 2: What happened to Rattler? Man, what do you mean he
1:52:13
Speaker 2: got bench last year? Benched? Yeah, we talked about this
1:52:18
Speaker 2: last week, I know, on the on the bus.
1:52:20
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh but yeah, tell us dude, Yeah.
1:52:23
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's it's unfortunate there was the
1:52:26
Speaker 6: wrong move, But I hope Spencer Ratler ends up. JJ
1:52:30
Speaker 6: McCarthy had an amazing game, but he would be nice
1:52:33
Speaker 6: in a Minnesota in the backup role if he comes
1:52:37
Speaker 6: in that's somebody that coached coach McConnell could have dialed,
1:52:41
Speaker 6: because yeah, I mean the Saints will see the Saints
1:52:44
Speaker 6: probably won't win another game. Like, I don't know if
1:52:47
Speaker 6: y'all watch their game at all this week.
1:52:49
Speaker 1: First of rams, I had it on for until it
1:52:52
Speaker 1: was twenty seven.
1:52:53
Speaker 6: I was like it was horrible. Yeah, Like the only
1:52:55
Speaker 6: way they moved the ball was some like a roughing
1:52:57
Speaker 6: the passer penalty that led to a touchdown and Taysom
1:53:02
Speaker 6: hill Hey had their biggest play of the game. It
1:53:08
Speaker 6: was a bad it's a bad move by the Saints,
1:53:10
Speaker 6: and it's if you you took Schuck in the second round.
1:53:12
Speaker 6: You see the way your season is going. The last
1:53:15
Speaker 6: thing you really want to do, if you do think
1:53:17
Speaker 6: he's your future, is get the fan base against him
1:53:20
Speaker 6: in this season and because nothing's gonna go good.
1:53:23
Speaker 1: You should have kept Rattler out there. Man, should have kept.
1:53:25
Speaker 6: Absolutely because now they like, you can't go back to
1:53:28
Speaker 6: him if you're the Saints, right, Like.
1:53:30
Speaker 1: It's a long season. I never know that one win
1:53:34
Speaker 1: situation to just keep doing your thing. Man, Like, I
1:53:38
Speaker 1: think whatever the Saints want to do, we just kind
1:53:40
Speaker 1: of let him do We don't judge anything from here
1:53:42
Speaker 1: on out. Titans though, Titans Saints. If it's so clear
1:53:46
Speaker 1: that these are the two teams that are gonna fight
1:53:48
Speaker 1: for the for the number one draft pick, I feel
1:53:51
Speaker 1: like there needs to be an executive order that the
1:53:53
Speaker 1: winner of that game gets the number one draft pick.
1:53:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh that would happen? Would happen?
1:54:02
Speaker 1: Could it? Who did pull up the Jets schedule real quick?
1:54:04
Speaker 4: If you don't mind, because I mean, buddy, you put
1:54:07
Speaker 4: any they want. I mean, unless they're playing each other,
1:54:11
Speaker 4: like justin field.
1:54:13
Speaker 1: I could see them sneaking the Browns, the Dolphins. Yeah,
1:54:17
Speaker 1: they got the Dolphins. Who knows about the Jags too? Man,
1:54:20
Speaker 1: I just don't know what's going to that huge game,
1:54:24
Speaker 1: mad game Saints last two of three they got, they
1:54:29
Speaker 1: got a chance to fuck it all up.
1:54:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, December, the last three weeks could.
1:54:32
Speaker 6: Tell a lot rattler in the last three weeks, go
1:54:36
Speaker 6: three and.
1:54:36
Speaker 1: Now that would mess up everything.
1:54:40
Speaker 6: He will be a starter in the NFL again. I'll
1:54:42
Speaker 6: say that he.
1:54:43
Speaker 1: Just guts he has to go to Minnesota. Do we
1:54:46
Speaker 1: think JJ's back to dude against the Lions.
1:54:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's at the line. It was like yards
1:54:54
Speaker 2: like he made the place through for.
1:54:56
Speaker 1: Two touchdowns, ran for one, like committed. He like didn't
1:54:59
Speaker 1: look long, he didn't look lost. I'll say that.
1:55:03
Speaker 2: Crying, no raging. Oh he was using that Dan Lanning
1:55:10
Speaker 2: love his mentality.
1:55:11
Speaker 3: I mean that throw to ice the game.
1:55:13
Speaker 2: Yes, beautiful on real throat.
1:55:16
Speaker 1: Wonder was it? There was one that Addison Jefferson he
1:55:20
Speaker 1: threw it under the dB and like it was beautiful.
1:55:23
Speaker 2: He had a beautiful ball to in the end zone
1:55:25
Speaker 2: to Addison.
1:55:26
Speaker 1: Yeah you come up with Yeah, Addison dropped right.
1:55:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's showing sparks. But it's just like you need.
1:55:32
Speaker 2: Obviously, I can't believe the Vikings beat the Lights at Detroit.
1:55:35
Speaker 2: I know.
1:55:36
Speaker 1: May It just makes you question everything because I'm I
1:55:39
Speaker 1: still think the Lions are the best team.
1:55:42
Speaker 4: Weirdly enough, the Rams and Seattle play, Yes, I mean
1:55:45
Speaker 4: I guess.
1:55:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I will. I will be by the Seattle Seahawks.
1:55:49
Speaker 1: I will buy that.
1:55:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:55:52
Speaker 1: J s n is unbelieved. How was he open all
1:55:55
Speaker 1: the time.
1:55:57
Speaker 6: And pooka bro like I did his game. This was
1:56:01
Speaker 6: his first game back from the injury, and I don't
1:56:03
Speaker 6: know if y'all saw the pass like his first touchdown
1:56:06
Speaker 6: catch oh my, the the ball was a dime, but
1:56:10
Speaker 6: the catch was just absurd, like almost double coverage, late
1:56:13
Speaker 6: hands right on the front side of the pylon. Like
1:56:17
Speaker 6: it looks unfair.
1:56:19
Speaker 5: Getting like plus twenty points in Fantasy each on the
1:56:22
Speaker 5: same team.
1:56:23
Speaker 2: Are nice?
1:56:24
Speaker 1: Are nice?
1:56:26
Speaker 4: Stafford's conversation Sammy d Drake May there's going to be
1:56:30
Speaker 4: the three.
1:56:32
Speaker 2: Ship. Josh Donald'll still be in it.
1:56:35
Speaker 1: Breaks my heart with Daniel will still be in it.
1:56:38
Speaker 1: This could be the end of Daniel Jones.
1:56:42
Speaker 2: Kidding, I'm just kidding, but that is a game where
1:56:46
Speaker 2: people just throw that. You know.
1:56:47
Speaker 4: It's like if if Mahomes or Josh Allen had a
1:56:49
Speaker 4: game like that, people would write them off that quickly.
1:56:52
Speaker 4: I think Colt's losing like that and Daniel Jones having
1:56:56
Speaker 4: three picks, it'll be quick.
1:56:59
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, you know, I'm ready to say, yeah,
1:57:02
Speaker 2: overrated you.
1:57:03
Speaker 1: I saw your tweets saying maybe I was right. I
1:57:05
Speaker 1: was like, God, damn it. That made me and also
1:57:09
Speaker 1: like people, Patrick Mahomes had his worst completion percentage of
1:57:12
Speaker 1: his career.
1:57:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had the ball, had the ball left.
1:57:19
Speaker 1: That's why you need a good run game.
1:57:21
Speaker 2: Something to keep an eye on.
1:57:23
Speaker 1: Greg. Greg by the way he's talking like we're essentially
1:57:26
Speaker 1: having the same argument. Like yeah, Like he's saying, like
1:57:31
Speaker 1: the run game is good, but you can't just have
1:57:32
Speaker 1: a run game. I'm saying the run game compliments the past,
1:57:35
Speaker 1: and that's what helps your pass game to the ball.
1:57:38
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to do both. And if you
1:57:40
Speaker 1: have a good run game, it's easier to throw the ball.
1:57:42
Speaker 1: That's all I'm trying to say out here, all right.
1:57:47
Speaker 4: Taylor saying out outside zone left like that boy, Taylor
1:57:51
Speaker 4: just talking directly from his own experience of you run
1:57:54
Speaker 4: the ball.
1:57:55
Speaker 1: You're able to run if you're able to run left.
1:57:58
Speaker 1: You able to run left if you can if you
1:58:01
Speaker 1: can run a run, play and have the same exact
1:58:04
Speaker 1: action and a play action play dude, and be successful
1:58:07
Speaker 1: in the run game. You're going to win a lot.
1:58:09
Speaker 1: You're gonna score a lot of points. Yeah, You're gonna
1:58:11
Speaker 1: score a lot of points. Yeah, that's all I'm trying
1:58:14
Speaker 1: to say.
1:58:14
Speaker 4: Uh, any more college football talk a JP. I see
1:58:17
Speaker 4: you guys fired the OC.
1:58:19
Speaker 6: Mike make some moves something about fire and OC just
1:58:23
Speaker 6: breeze life into a fan base. Why not go three
1:58:26
Speaker 6: and oh and make a bowl.
1:58:27
Speaker 2: Game why not?
1:58:29
Speaker 6: And I mean I would not want to be Texas
1:58:31
Speaker 6: A and M We got them this week. Well we
1:58:34
Speaker 6: got to buy That's what That's what I'm trying to say.
1:58:36
Speaker 6: That's what I'm trying to tell you you. The game
1:58:39
Speaker 6: Cocks are going into College Station off of bye Yeah,
1:58:42
Speaker 6: with probably co offensive coordinators. Yeah, good luck game planning
1:58:45
Speaker 6: for that.
1:58:47
Speaker 1: You know, you bring up the mirror theory of the
1:58:49
Speaker 1: locker room. They should have like one of the you know,
1:58:50
Speaker 1: the carnivals when you walk into those rooms and there's
1:58:52
Speaker 1: mirrors everywhere, there's a bunch of different angles of you.
1:58:54
Speaker 1: That's the move in the locker room this week. Correct,
1:58:57
Speaker 1: Just all mirrors everywhere. You can't look anywhere without looking back.
1:58:59
Speaker 6: At your dude, I saw fire up all the headset.
1:59:04
Speaker 2: The headset.
1:59:05
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're like, can somebody tell me who Mike is?
1:59:07
Speaker 2: Because you guys are close there for a minute.
1:59:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's Oh yeah, dude, it was oh my gosh.
1:59:13
Speaker 6: We we made a stop and we were going to
1:59:15
Speaker 6: get the ball back. I think it was fourteen seventeen.
1:59:18
Speaker 6: They punt it, muffed the punt. Oh, we hold him.
1:59:24
Speaker 6: They're down there at our five. Our defense played incredible.
1:59:27
Speaker 6: We hold them punt and it's just like man or Yeah,
1:59:32
Speaker 6: like I guess they kicked the field goal. We just
1:59:35
Speaker 6: do nothing with our drive. We rank in the bottom
1:59:37
Speaker 6: like five teams of offense in college football.
1:59:40
Speaker 1: Heartbreaking.
1:59:41
Speaker 6: But now he's gone.
1:59:42
Speaker 1: So now top five for the last three weeks.
1:59:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, top five, top five three weeks. Classic.
1:59:49
Speaker 2: Do you think?
1:59:50
Speaker 1: Do you think you guys are the nail the coffin
1:59:52
Speaker 1: for Dabbo?
1:59:53
Speaker 2: No?
1:59:53
Speaker 6: No, he'll be there next year for sure. But I
1:59:55
Speaker 6: was at that Clemson game and you want to talk
1:59:58
Speaker 6: about some fireworks though the offenses were going nuts, and
2:00:01
Speaker 6: if you're a Clemson fan, you're sick that we fired
2:00:04
Speaker 6: Tchula because that was probably the only hope they had
2:00:07
Speaker 6: to be us. But it was, Yeah, that was Dabo
2:00:11
Speaker 6: did not fall down the hill. I was. That's one
2:00:13
Speaker 6: of the main reasons I went the season's going bad.
2:00:16
Speaker 6: There's a chance it's the ultimate image of their season.
2:00:20
Speaker 6: If Dabo finally trips going down the hill. No injuries,
2:00:23
Speaker 6: but you know he likes to run fast down there
2:00:25
Speaker 6: and do his thing. And I was so far ahead
2:00:28
Speaker 6: I wanted to be sure I was there in case
2:00:29
Speaker 6: he did fall.
2:00:30
Speaker 2: Are we talking?
2:00:31
Speaker 4: You'd like to see something where it's lighting up to
2:00:34
Speaker 4: where he's just in a boot.
2:00:36
Speaker 6: Yeah boot would be fine, boot for a week or two. Yeah,
2:00:39
Speaker 6: but he could pull off just a roll where you know,
2:00:41
Speaker 6: you kind of bounce back up. I know he's a
2:00:42
Speaker 6: little bit older now, yeah, but something just to.
2:00:46
Speaker 2: Slow him down that run down the hill.
2:00:49
Speaker 1: I hate that. I absolutely hate that.
2:00:52
Speaker 6: I just post the video not really thinking much of it,
2:00:54
Speaker 6: and then I after the game, I look and it
2:00:56
Speaker 6: has like a million views. Everyone's just hating him.
2:00:59
Speaker 1: It's like perfect, Yeah, dude, Dabbo saying I don't know
2:01:04
Speaker 1: if I'll get fired.
2:01:05
Speaker 6: I mean that was yeah, which if you're Clemson now
2:01:09
Speaker 6: you would want to see that because the defense just
2:01:12
Speaker 6: completely fumbled. But him saying that in front of the
2:01:14
Speaker 6: athletic director is just one of the more arrogant moves
2:01:18
Speaker 6: you can make, and not a good.
2:01:20
Speaker 1: Move doing his posturing game. But he's an uncharted territory,
2:01:23
Speaker 1: is what he is. Like, he's never had this kind
2:01:25
Speaker 1: of fire on him before, I know, and he's trying
2:01:28
Speaker 1: to figure out what move is the best move, and
2:01:30
Speaker 1: he's he's going about it multiple different ways, and he
2:01:32
Speaker 1: won't just pick a lane, like pick a lane and
2:01:34
Speaker 1: stick with it, because buddy, you're making it look way worse.
2:01:37
Speaker 6: Medium was so quiet?
2:01:38
Speaker 2: Was it really crazy?
2:01:40
Speaker 1: Do you think the where's the game this year? South Carolina?
2:01:42
Speaker 6: Clemson, South Carolina?
2:01:44
Speaker 1: Loud, no matter low, no matter what. You guys have
2:01:47
Speaker 1: been here before.
2:01:48
Speaker 6: We've lost twenty two games in a row before.
2:01:52
Speaker 1: Us ship.
2:01:53
Speaker 6: Yeah, what are we talking about?
2:01:55
Speaker 2: You guys?
2:01:55
Speaker 6: He lost?
2:01:57
Speaker 1: You guys are it's a movie? You guys got I'm
2:02:00
Speaker 1: not scared of this. Yeah, got up to your head? Yeah, bro,
2:02:03
Speaker 1: that is crazy. Crazy.
2:02:05
Speaker 2: Oregon goes to Iowa this week.
2:02:07
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a spicy game. Dan Lanning not going nowhere,
2:02:12
Speaker 1: he says, not going anywhere.
2:02:14
Speaker 3: Kirk Farn's talking ship to Lanning.
2:02:17
Speaker 1: Do you hear about that?
2:02:19
Speaker 2: I heard there's some text from you.
2:02:21
Speaker 1: Don't want to wait to the locker room, wait to
2:02:24
Speaker 1: the locker room.
2:02:24
Speaker 2: We save that for the locker room talk. Save that
2:02:27
Speaker 2: for the locker room talk.
2:02:29
Speaker 1: God, I'll tell you what, dude, Justice Hayes having surgery
2:02:34
Speaker 1: on his foot kind of breaks my heart.
2:02:35
Speaker 6: The other guy bought out though, Jah Jordan.
2:02:37
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing's for sure, Mission's gonna run the football,
2:02:41
Speaker 1: run the football, play good defense. But I just want
2:02:46
Speaker 1: I just need that passing and like I truly believe
2:02:49
Speaker 1: in Bryce Underwood. I just there was four or five
2:02:52
Speaker 1: plays there where it's a completely different stat line that
2:02:56
Speaker 1: I was. I've already said this. I'm doubling down because
2:02:58
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about it too much. Is like that
2:03:01
Speaker 1: was that should have been the game plan. Let him
2:03:02
Speaker 1: throw the ball and buddy, it's just a couple of reads,
2:03:07
Speaker 1: a couple of misses.
2:03:10
Speaker 2: Twenty six though, and going to Miszoo a big game.
2:03:15
Speaker 2: That's a big game. Uh, Georgia Tech loss?
2:03:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, what is going on?
2:03:23
Speaker 6: The ACC just they're just trying to ruin the College
2:03:26
Speaker 6: Football playoff.
2:03:28
Speaker 2: That I feel like that's a positive.
2:03:30
Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's a win for the playoff.
2:03:33
Speaker 2: I think that's a win for the We need a
2:03:35
Speaker 2: CC team to start losing.
2:03:37
Speaker 5: And Tech lost Louisville and Virginia.
2:03:41
Speaker 3: One, so Virginia is like top fifteen right now.
2:03:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. Bro, you know what, dude, if the ACC kind
2:03:48
Speaker 1: of messes around and everyone's kind of got like two
2:03:51
Speaker 1: three losses everywhere, could we be looking at a nine
2:03:55
Speaker 1: to three Nebraska Cornhusker team in the playoffs.
2:03:57
Speaker 2: No, listen, I ain't gonna talk to that type of
2:04:00
Speaker 2: right now.
2:04:01
Speaker 1: Hey, the CEEC fucks around that much. SEC's kind of
2:04:07
Speaker 1: beating each other up every single in every place, like
2:04:10
Speaker 1: a m is probably gonna make it, Alabama's gonna make it,
2:04:13
Speaker 1: Georgia is gonna make it? Who else?
2:04:15
Speaker 5: Texas?
2:04:17
Speaker 1: Texas? Just Big twelve gets the all the best teams
2:04:23
Speaker 1: play each other at the end of the year.
2:04:25
Speaker 4: Goswell playoff rankings. The first ones come out tomorrow.
2:04:31
Speaker 10: And Green.
2:04:33
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. Boys. This next couple of weeks
2:04:36
Speaker 1: are gonna be awesome.
2:04:38
Speaker 3: It's gonna be awesome. But how depressing is it that
2:04:40
Speaker 3: we only have three weeks left?
2:04:42
Speaker 1: Pretty depressing? It is pretty sid.
2:04:49
Speaker 2: Dude.
2:04:49
Speaker 1: But you know the thing is is like, right after
2:04:51
Speaker 1: the season is over, we're all it's transfer portal, It's
2:04:54
Speaker 1: we're getting this guy. What's happening? Like that's equally as
2:04:57
Speaker 1: fun of a game getting everybody. I'm not thinking, I'm hoping.
2:05:02
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking, bro. I truly am just like sitting
2:05:05
Speaker 1: there and being like, man, if we just had every day,
2:05:08
Speaker 1: I have a court like the yarn and the pictures
2:05:11
Speaker 1: everything in my room.
2:05:12
Speaker 5: Right now, you're asking for players that if you're talking
2:05:16
Speaker 5: about Bryce can't throw the football, buddy, what's gonna do?
2:05:18
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. He can throw the football.
2:05:20
Speaker 1: We just need like you need the trial and air
2:05:22
Speaker 1: to get out there and develop a guy like he
2:05:24
Speaker 1: got in and it was like he's gonna be He's
2:05:26
Speaker 1: not gonna be the start at the beginning of the year.
2:05:28
Speaker 1: Then this keen kid gets hurt. I don't know exactly
2:05:30
Speaker 1: what his injury was. He's thrust into a starting role.
2:05:32
Speaker 1: We play very conservative early in the year when I'm thinking, hey,
2:05:35
Speaker 1: maybe let this kid rip a little bit, make the mistakes.
2:05:38
Speaker 1: He's done a good job of taking care of the
2:05:39
Speaker 1: football up until this game. But it's like he needs reps. Dude,
2:05:43
Speaker 1: He's got the talent, like he's shown it the Washington game.
2:05:46
Speaker 1: It was a very good football team by the way
2:05:48
Speaker 1: they are ranked. Now, Like, he can throw the football,
2:05:51
Speaker 1: but you just need the in game experience. That's like
2:05:54
Speaker 1: you got to take advantage of that in the Northwestern game,
2:05:56
Speaker 1: in the Maryland game. But those those two teams aren't
2:05:58
Speaker 1: teams you can sleep on anyway. Good thing is we
2:06:01
Speaker 1: can all we have a run game that seems like
2:06:02
Speaker 1: no matter what is going to be successful, which is
2:06:05
Speaker 1: a great feeling. But we this guy's got to get
2:06:07
Speaker 1: reps under his belt. We have a bye week this week.
2:06:10
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. I feel because the receiver
2:06:12
Speaker 1: stepped up this past game. They were getting open, to
2:06:14
Speaker 1: say the least.
2:06:15
Speaker 2: He didn't have any tuddies.
2:06:17
Speaker 1: No, no, Marshall had three of them.
2:06:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see all three of them average seven point
2:06:22
Speaker 2: four yards on the ground, twenty five carries, one hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty five yards. Yeah.
2:06:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Bryce, I know it is bad. It was
2:06:29
Speaker 1: you know line, it's bad.
2:06:31
Speaker 2: Do you know it?
2:06:32
Speaker 1: It's like under fifty percent one two weeks in a
2:06:37
Speaker 1: row of a bad passing stat line. But I'm dude,
2:06:41
Speaker 1: I'm telling you there's things he did in that game.
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Speaker 1: We were like, he's a learning getting out of the pocket.
2:06:46
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of pressure on him, looking down
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Speaker 1: the field, gaining yards with his legs a couple of times.
2:06:51
Speaker 1: There's I'm telling there's four or five throws in that game.
2:06:54
Speaker 1: If we could just have those back, We're talking about
2:06:56
Speaker 1: a completely different Brice Underwood right now. And we have
2:06:59
Speaker 1: a bye week, which I'm fires me up. A lot
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Speaker 1: of injuries, a lot of job openings too. Yeah, but
2:07:06
Speaker 1: we're talking about Michigan.
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Speaker 2: A lot of job opening What are you doing right now?
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying a comment.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what's your comment mean?
2:07:15
Speaker 2: Just a lot of job openings.
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Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be all of a sudden he wants
2:07:19
Speaker 1: to start throwing throwing mud at me.
2:07:21
Speaker 2: What mud am I throwing?
2:07:23
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Michigan football. And you're going a lot
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Speaker 1: of job openings out here, like there's like fourteen.
2:07:28
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting. It'd be interesting to see what else
2:07:30
Speaker 2: comes open.
2:07:32
Speaker 6: Lane Kiffin is gonna be cause.
2:07:35
Speaker 4: The Lane Kiffin joke happening right now. He's just basically
2:07:38
Speaker 4: coaching for everything I'm hearing Lane Kiffin loves it at
2:07:41
Speaker 4: this place Auburn, Florida as he came up with Arkansas.
2:07:45
Speaker 6: Tennessee, Oklahoma State and LSU.
2:07:48
Speaker 2: Would you love Lane Kiffin? Jack, That's what I was saying.
2:07:52
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that, like the second the
2:07:55
Speaker 8: Tennessee game was over. It's always a question, and I'm
2:07:59
Speaker 8: sure a lot of Tennessee fans would yeah, accept him
2:08:01
Speaker 8: with open arms. But I'm not ready for that conversation
2:08:04
Speaker 8: one bit.
2:08:04
Speaker 4: Right now, did hypool? Did he still have a tea time?
2:08:08
Speaker 4: He still time this week.
2:08:10
Speaker 5: That seems like it.
2:08:11
Speaker 2: Yeah that's something chefing now, but.
2:08:14
Speaker 4: Hey, that was that was that was crazy Hugh Freeze
2:08:17
Speaker 4: the whole T time incident.
2:08:18
Speaker 8: Twitter Burner Berner Twitter versus truly up there with the
2:08:23
Speaker 8: c I.
2:08:23
Speaker 1: A yeah, yeah, well I can't get over is you
2:08:29
Speaker 1: guys are having this conversation and I have just completely
2:08:32
Speaker 1: supported Nebraska and we'll just talk about job openings. What's
2:08:37
Speaker 1: just support the boys support Michigan.
2:08:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope you guys do well in the If
2:08:42
Speaker 4: you guys go to the college for we'll playoff onward.
2:08:47
Speaker 4: Is that you Is that what you wanted out of
2:08:48
Speaker 4: your Nebraska support? No, for me to come fully wanted,
2:08:52
Speaker 4: That's what I wanted, my friend. But I'm just talking about,
2:08:56
Speaker 4: like I'm talking about the lance to give the college football.
2:08:58
Speaker 1: There's a lot of job openings right now. Yeah, unless
2:09:01
Speaker 1: you know who your guys going to be, why would
2:09:03
Speaker 1: you get rid of a head coach this year?
2:09:04
Speaker 2: Bro? What happened the first time the Penn State rumor
2:09:08
Speaker 2: came up with coach rule?
2:09:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very clear, Like no one's talking about
2:09:13
Speaker 1: Michigan losing their head coach.
2:09:14
Speaker 2: I'm just saying a lot of job openings, a lot
2:09:16
Speaker 2: of job yeah, and what else comes out.
2:09:19
Speaker 1: In the odds. He was like plus three hundred, and
2:09:21
Speaker 1: the next big one was like plus eight hundred. It's like, yeah, hey,
2:09:23
Speaker 1: this is a real possibility. You're just you're just muffeting
2:09:26
Speaker 1: one out there.
2:09:27
Speaker 2: Well yeah I could be. I could very much be
2:09:30
Speaker 2: muffeting one out there. Okay, just a lot of ball left,
2:09:33
Speaker 2: a lot of job openings right now.
2:09:35
Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to see if any other jobs come open.
2:09:39
Speaker 1: This has gotta be the most job openings.
2:09:43
Speaker 2: Onward.
2:09:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, great show, Big hugs, tiny kisses. We will
2:09:48
Speaker 4: see you tomorrow, busting with the boys, Tony V.
2:09:53
Speaker 2: See you tomorrow.
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