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#600 - Miguel Talks New Era with ‘CAOS,’ Viral Suspension Performance, Working with His Girlfriend & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Man, thanks for having me, Broy Miguel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The new album Chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Kyles, Let's go wrong Chaos Kyles Cows. Yeah, well we
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  Speaker 2: got to get this right, yeah, Kiles is the right?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? All right? Yeah, because in my head I'm like chaos,
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  Speaker 1: but just in like a yeah, so breakdown Cows.
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  Speaker 2: Kyles is this album is about making the kind of
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  Speaker 2: creating the opportunity out of the madness and really like
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  Speaker 2: looking at looking at what's in front of you and
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  Speaker 2: just really really getting to the core of like what's working,
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  Speaker 2: what's not working. I think it's an aggressive things. It's
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  Speaker 2: aggressive album.
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  Speaker 1: How long uh like did it take for like I
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  Speaker 1: guess kind of like was it like the process in
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  Speaker 1: terms of years? Was it you know?
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  Speaker 2: Eight years?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: It spans eight years?
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  Speaker 1: Right. I feel like there's certain records like the always
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  Speaker 1: Time record in a long time man, can you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about that Always Time record because it feels like
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  Speaker 1: it feels like such a like romantically like heartbreaking like
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  Speaker 1: breakup song. Yeah, like it's a tough record, especially like
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  Speaker 1: I'm someone who's married and is you know obviously as
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  Speaker 1: with every other you know, relationship that anyone's ever been in,
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  Speaker 1: there's always like peaks and valleys, and you always like,
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  Speaker 1: that's like such a record that like cut through man
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  Speaker 1: to man. Appreciate that man, like when when when was
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  Speaker 1: that record? Was that when when you were going through
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  Speaker 1: it with your previous situation or man?
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  Speaker 2: That song, that song transformed a couple of times. It
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  Speaker 2: was originally a positive song. It was like, but there's
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  Speaker 2: always time you love this hard, and you know, over
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  Speaker 2: time it became I thought there was always time.
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe the real love is like letting you go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the true life. Life will do that.
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  Speaker 1: Though, when you get to that point, is it like
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  Speaker 1: is there something like like is there something that's like
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  Speaker 1: beautiful about that getting to that point with somebody where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know what, I love you so
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  Speaker 1: much that I gotta let you like this. This isn't
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  Speaker 1: you know, for us or for you rather.
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  Speaker 2: The Yeah, I think when you can when you're able
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  Speaker 2: to see see things clearly and that it's not it's
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  Speaker 2: not something that is gonna be when you love someone
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  Speaker 2: enough to let them go because you know that you
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  Speaker 2: can't do and be what they deserve.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And that's a big like that's that's something like
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  Speaker 1: ship where you got to get out of it, get
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  Speaker 1: out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Lit up your own way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think also it's like I've
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  Speaker 2: never been the kind of I've never believed in there
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  Speaker 2: was just one person.
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  Speaker 1: I've never believed there's like one person for certain times
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  Speaker 1: of your life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't have the answer, but I
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  Speaker 2: think I more believe in that I believe in a
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  Speaker 2: just one person, which maybe maybe kind of like that's
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  Speaker 2: really interesting because I do believe in I believe like
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  Speaker 2: the spirit of Adorn, you know, there's like a deep
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  Speaker 2: love there. But I don't know that there's just the
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  Speaker 2: one person.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean to kill that for anyone or anything,
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  Speaker 1: but I just I mean, you have some of the
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  Speaker 1: most romantic songs of all time. People have gotten married
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  Speaker 1: to your records.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's a trick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we we don't want to dissuade anyone. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's not meant to dissuade you, but yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: always time. Man, It's one of those ones that I
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  Speaker 2: love it for how it did, how it does represent
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  Speaker 2: a lot of change in perspective and a lot of growth,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of growth and a lot of like different
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  Speaker 2: kind of love. You know. It's like, oh, love can
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  Speaker 2: evolve to this place where you are actually looking out
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  Speaker 2: for someone and for you know, especially when you know
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  Speaker 2: that what they want and what you want maybe are
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  Speaker 2: not in the same They're not aligning right now, and
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  Speaker 2: so the best you know, you're looking out for their
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  Speaker 2: best interests?
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  Speaker 1: Is it kind of crazy to think that it's been
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  Speaker 1: over fifteen years since your debut album.
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  Speaker 2: It's a trip, and you know the anniversary for that
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  Speaker 2: is like in a month or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been pretty much exactly fifteen years. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: it was November. It was the end of twenty ten. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we're approaching fifteen years. Fifteen years, man, All I
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  Speaker 1: pretty wild too, because you've had so many different errors
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  Speaker 1: of your career, But like, do you ever go back
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  Speaker 1: and revisit your debut album?
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm, I definitely go back and listen some I'll have
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  Speaker 2: like I might have like a long drive and be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's just go back you know what it was, like,
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  Speaker 2: let's just be appreciative and like grat and just listen
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  Speaker 2: out of just wanting to just kind of rego through
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  Speaker 2: them and go like, no, you're on the right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I feel like that there is like a
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  Speaker 1: such thing as timeless music, and you've put out so
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  Speaker 1: much timeless music, so if you're listen like sure thing,
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  Speaker 1: it still feels like like that's a forever song. All
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  Speaker 1: I want is do is a forever song.
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  Speaker 2: Man. That's dope. Man, it's a trip. But I will
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  Speaker 2: say I'm very I'm proud of myself. I'm so grateful
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  Speaker 2: for my fans. Like for the fans. It's true, man,
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  Speaker 2: Like music is really how we decorate time, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I know everybody's got songs that will just take
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  Speaker 2: them right to that car ride with you and your
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  Speaker 2: friends in the car in high school or college, or
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  Speaker 2: that one that you had to dance with or when
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  Speaker 2: you met the person or I mean, we have we
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  Speaker 2: have these moments, and like, I'm really grateful to have
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  Speaker 2: decorated memories for people with the music. Through the music,
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  Speaker 2: it really does give you a sense of like being
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  Speaker 2: connected to something greater than yourself for sure. And and
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  Speaker 2: it's really encouraging when you step in and it's time
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  Speaker 2: to like, you know, put the get to the work,
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  Speaker 2: to just remember that it's really all about the emotion
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  Speaker 2: and how that can really give time, make it a moment,
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  Speaker 2: make time a moment. And so I've been blessed to
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  Speaker 2: do it a couple of times, and shit, I don't
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  Speaker 2: plan on stopping.
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  Speaker 1: How cool was it to see a dorn get like
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  Speaker 1: a random second run at radio, like you know, twelve
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  Speaker 1: years later, man, like.
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  Speaker 2: So to see like a song go from because we
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  Speaker 2: have when I'm not sure if you mean sure thing?
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  Speaker 2: St thing that was That was the one that, like
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  Speaker 2: last year, I felt like the Dorn is gonna happen to.
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  Speaker 1: A sure thing was the one that like out of nowhere,
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  Speaker 1: It was like, why is there short things like twenty
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  Speaker 1: five on the chart rhythm radio, pop radio? Was it TikTok?
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  Speaker 1: Like what was it started at TikTok?
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  Speaker 2: And then of course, like you know, that record going
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  Speaker 2: number one at pop radio is and especially because it
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  Speaker 2: didn't go we didn't we didn't even have a shot
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  Speaker 2: at pop radio when it came out, not because the
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  Speaker 2: song that wasn't doing what it needed to do, but
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  Speaker 2: because of the antiquated way.
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  Speaker 1: You were definitely in R and B box.
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  Speaker 2: The way the industry worked, the way all of that works,
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  Speaker 2: and also believers that needed to be pulled and buttons
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  Speaker 2: that needed to be pressed for a record to go
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  Speaker 2: number one. It just it just it didn't happen. And
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: in the time that the record was released, so for
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  Speaker 2: it to kind of happened out of nowhere, years later. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like at that time, it's a testament.
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  Speaker 1: It was like lmfao Pitbull and Lady Got Guy at
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  Speaker 1: pop radio.
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  Speaker 2: At pop radio, that's wild.
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  Speaker 1: That was the era.
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  Speaker 2: That was the era. That was the era. So there's
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  Speaker 2: no way, you know, sure Thing an R and B
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  Speaker 2: record and at the time they would be like, that's
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  Speaker 2: a that's like a ballad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: It was too slow. It's crazy. A couple of years
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  Speaker 2: years ago, you went.
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  Speaker 1: Viral for being hung off some hooks out of your back.
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  Speaker 2: Performing doing a suspension. Yeah, listen, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What what is first? Well, how do you even like
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  Speaker 1: get into that.
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  Speaker 2: From suret Thing to suspension? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, that couldn't have been your first time doing that.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was my third time doing Suspension.
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  Speaker 2: I started exploring Suspension because the project was about pain,
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  Speaker 2: and and that project actually evolved out of that experience.
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  Speaker 2: This album evolved out of that experience and the conversation
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  Speaker 2: and that art piece was about that performance was about performance.
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  Speaker 2: Art was about our relationship to pain and like why
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  Speaker 2: we carry pain with pride, why we ignore pain, why
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  Speaker 2: we make it a part of our identity? And what
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  Speaker 2: how is it serving? You know? The real the real purpose,
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  Speaker 2: like what we're trying to accomplish, and you know, we
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  Speaker 2: all got we all got shit that we're carrying. The
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  Speaker 2: question is like do we need to carry it? Is
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  Speaker 2: it some of it needs to be let go? Or
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  Speaker 2: is it valid to honor? Is it important to honor?
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  Speaker 2: And like actually taking a real considered approach about what
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  Speaker 2: that means was what the piece was about. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: did it hurt, No, it didn't hurt at all. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like people be into that ship like it's
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  Speaker 2: a thing. Like I feel like it's like low key
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  Speaker 2: like a kink for some people, you know what I'm saying. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know, it might be, it
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  Speaker 2: might be. I think the practice of suspension is more
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  Speaker 2: about I think everyone has their own meaning and I
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  Speaker 2: definitely don't. I certainly don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Was that the last time you did it?
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  Speaker 2: That's the last time I did it. I've done a suspension.
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it again, though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like a Friday, like.
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  Speaker 2: Get a babysitter Monday night football. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: You can either do that or you could be a
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  Speaker 1: Cowboys fan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm definitely not that, but yeah, I get you I
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  Speaker 2: get you. Yeah, it's you could some people like to
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  Speaker 2: you know, people like suspension.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I just thought I just it looked it
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  Speaker 1: looked very painful. I was like, damn, like like the
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  Speaker 1: they it's just whatever flap of skin you have that
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  Speaker 1: they can get out of you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they grab. Yeah, pretty pretty much. There's some points
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  Speaker 2: that are like have been you know there? Yeah they
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  Speaker 2: know that will work. But yeah, you find you find
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  Speaker 2: an area in your body that can take the take
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  Speaker 2: the hooks.
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  Speaker 1: And how does that heal?
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  Speaker 2: Who if it's on your back? If very slowly because
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  Speaker 2: you will feel it, you know, sitting back it's like
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I'm in.
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  Speaker 1: The car right, can't sit all.
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  Speaker 2: The way back there?
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  Speaker 1: To you? Man, you are dedicated to the art.
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  Speaker 2: Dog No for sure. Yeah that's what ship? Yeah or
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  Speaker 2: crazy or both? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: How dope was it? You know your lady is uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know an a Doupe videographer director creative, and I
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  Speaker 1: noticed that she has been collaborating with you, especially on
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  Speaker 1: the martyrs video that came out. How dope is that?
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  Speaker 1: To be able to kind of collaborate with with your
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  Speaker 1: girl on shit like that? Man?
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  Speaker 2: It's a trip. I mean we're talking about like, like
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  Speaker 2: the editor of Vogue, you know what I mean, Like
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  Speaker 2: editor of Vogue is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild to kind of work with someone who
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  Speaker 2: who's output and is as significant and as impactful as
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  Speaker 2: hers was in her tenure at Vogue China. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's probably one of the coolest, coolest things to have
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  Speaker 2: that kind of creative force behind and work with. It's
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  Speaker 2: a tremendous blessing. Man. I'm I'm I'm really proud of
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  Speaker 2: the work that we've done. I think the best is
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  Speaker 2: yet to be seen.
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  Speaker 1: You guys have a bunch in the can.
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  Speaker 2: We have Yeah, we have shit that's like coming. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm excited. And she's also was already directing
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  Speaker 2: before that, and also like and already accomplished photographer before that,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of notable, impactful things she's done
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  Speaker 2: before our tenure at Vogue China. But but to have
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  Speaker 2: her her kind of really help keep everyone in line
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  Speaker 2: with the vision and to kind of help refine my
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: vision and to take it and to expand and build
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: upon has been It's been really fun, man, And I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited for everyone to see the stuff that we have
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  Speaker 2: coming she's she's like a force. Man, She's a force.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't have I could not have accomplished the things
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  Speaker 2: that I have in these last two years without without
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  Speaker 2: having her like and and we weren't dating in the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: so we would bounce ideas off of each other, right
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  Speaker 2: and you know, just like riff, just like creative friends do.
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  Speaker 2: Like I have a lot of friends that would just
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  Speaker 2: talk shit and would just do that. What would it
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  Speaker 2: like actually be working together.
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• 17:10
  Speaker 1: the Martyrs video is very powerful kind of break down
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the concept for everybody who hasn't seen it.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the song itself was always about.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: My favorite song on the album. Man, that's funky as hell.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Man, that's cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, got
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: into my programming and production bag on that. But uh,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the the song is about really doing something about the
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: anger and the angst that we have looking at everything
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: as it is right now. I mean, it's a lot
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: of things that need to be addressed.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, every day. You feel it when you have
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: your kids, Yeah too.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I got it yet a nineteen year old at was twenty.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Now you have a nineteen year old twenty Yeah, what
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: well you backwards you look at I'm thirty eight. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: had them.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly the same as when I met you, bro, like
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: the first time. It's crazy.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: It's those non existent Asian jeans about they weren't mine.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: They were It's it's a trip though, man, It's it's
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you know, I think, especially when you have kids, you're
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: looking at the world and.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: You're like, change is the way you look at everything? Yeah,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: it really like damn one days got to be in
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: this way. They got to deal with this ship and
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: maybe you won't be here. Yeah, to protect me, That's
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: that's so.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Valid, And all of the wanting to prepare it does
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: make it's it's made me hold myself accountable just daily,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: but then also overall, it's like what am I putting
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: out in the world? What am I doing about what
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing that I don't But I don't want him
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to have to confront or deal with what are things
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: that he shouldn't need to see in this world at
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: this point? You know, you start to look at it
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and you're like, man, we should be way past this.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: We didn't came so far just to move backwards, you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: to see things feel that way. The song really is
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: an expression in that of that feeling. And and I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: think the video is just people. The concept was about
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: people expressing what they believe in and speaking out or acting,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: whether it be you know valid or it be you
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: know invalid, them actually doing something about what they believe in.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: So so we track, you know, a girl who's who
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: is going for an abortion. She has to cross the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: state stands just leave the state. We we track a
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: group of kids who are going to a rally just
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: since but just everyday things people speaking out, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a vank heist. You know, it's like they may have
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: a they may have a reason. But I do think
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: in terms of what we're experiencing, what we're seeing in
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the world right now, I feel like we're going to
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: see more extreme action being taken.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Oh man, it is wild, especially like I saw, like
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: well all I mean really since the ceasefire happened, right,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: there's been no ceasefire.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Important to hit those the air quotes is real.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's man, It's like I tell I was
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: telling my boy this. I was like, bro, every time
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I open up social media, like I want to crawl
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: on a ball and be like, what the It's just
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it's trash. It's a lot, man, Yeah, it is a lot.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I think I'm the most The most frustrating part is
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to know that we work hard every day. Everybody wakes
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: up and gets on the grind and they go trying
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: to provide for their families. And then we get taxed.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: We're being overtaxed. We're being taxed double triple time.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: It's tax on this tax getting taxed.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: It's like you're paying ship that like you know, like
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: obviously there's income tax or state taxes all that shit,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: but then you're also paying like our president's a dickhead
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: tax at the grocery store, have valid you know what
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Like, look, and we're all this money that's going to
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: our government and then they're making decisions on our behalf
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: without like with our money. It's crazy, which represents our effort,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: our time we're working for war.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Or working so our politicians and random lead singers of
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: shitty rock groups can go sign bombs that get dropped
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on children. Shit, man, it's fucking it's super fucked.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It's wild, Like.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I just sound like like even like like a couple
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, it was the last week, like we
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: bailed out this Argentinian fucking president guy who's like kind
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of like their version of Trump. And then you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I think they doubled it the forty billion dollars and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, forty bill, we send so much money
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to fucking Israel, but we can't. They got healthcare. We
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: ain't got health care. What the fuck is going on?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's wild.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: It's certainly like the kind of when you see it,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it's like.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the ice shit is like really that's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the ship. If you just open your phone every day
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and you want to be like triggered, fucking just go
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole every day day with new videos
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that come out of how they know my thing is
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: is like you got strange dudes jumping out of cars
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: with masks on, not identifying themselves.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Also there's no due process, there's no due processes.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And it's like, yo, if if someone did that in
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: front of me and I was like in a state
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: where I was able to carry.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I might you might pull you might, yeah, you you
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: might go ahead and draw, Like, are you really you
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's it's I don't know that
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: everyone is. It's hitting everyone in terms of like where
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: it can go. You know. I think that's the the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: scary part is like, Okay, well today it's you know.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I think we're at the tip of the Iceberg. Man,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: we're right there. They just made them the highest funded,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you know, agent agency. If you combine the CIA and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the FBI, they are still not as much as Ice.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. They're insensible. And then they're they're
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: doing all this incentivization like student loan for giveness, fifty
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, sign up bonus.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah what oh yeah, it's oh yeah, they're trying to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: make it attractive.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It is crazy. I did see you were wearing like
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a jumpsuit and it had like free Sudan, free Congo
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: on it, like it said free Syria.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah Syria for sure, Congo.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Even the sirious shit is crazy, you know what's talking
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: about that? Like they really like overthrew a government for
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a foreign nation. And the guy the crazy shit I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: seen was I don't know if you know about the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: zoron in New York. He's running, He's running from.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Mayor Man that debate.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: He oh, he's smoking.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Everybody smoke due.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: But he did like he took a picture with somebody
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: who was like a suspect and some shit from like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two or ninety ninety three or some shit.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And obviously the rights like, yo, can you believe, you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: somebody's taking a picture with a terrorist apologist or whatever.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And it's like Donald Trump literally put a former ISIS
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: member him and Israel literally fucking overthrew the Syrian government.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And now a former member of ISIS is the president
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of Syria and was at the White House. He was
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: on the ISIS most Wanted FBI list. This motherfucker was
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a designated terrorist by the United States government.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, I mean, but yeah, then you look at yeah, media,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you know media, the control of media by you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: these corporate it's getting worse.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the purchases being made recently, all of.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: The messaging is very intentional.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Do you did you feel like, because you know, I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: felt like there was like a point in time where
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: like a lot of people might have been like a
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: little like weary or scared to kind of like talk
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: about what they're seeing with their own eyes if they will,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: especially in the music industry. Did you ever feel that
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: or feel any blowback for taking that position.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: No, I think, Look, some people just want artists to
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: make a song for me, like make me shut. Yeah, yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: just go just dude, just don't. Like I listened, some
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: people listen to music for to escape and that's all.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: That's all good. I think we need it all yeah, all,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I'm all, I'm what I'm going to do, what I'm
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: gonna do. And and if you want, you know, Skywalker
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: for me a million times, you can always go back
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and listen to Skywalker. You can always go back and
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: listen to sure Thing. And I'm sure I'll write fun
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: songs and love songs and sex songs in the future.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But I also want to do this, and I think
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and I and again, Giles is not about what I'm seeing,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: just about what I'm seeing in the world. US is
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: mostly a reflection on my own internal bullshit that I'm
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: that I'm working through, that I wanted to talk about
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that I feel is relatable and and also just kind
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: of drawing parallel to everything just like, look like we
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: we have to deal with this shitty ass world and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: we still have to try and be good and be
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: our best, and try and find the thing that is
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: important to us and what takes priority, and like have
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: principles and move with integrity and like all of these things,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Like this is a human experience. And I think what
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the album represents the most is not just how I
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: feel about this world, but also just how I feel
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: about the conversation I want to have with my audience.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give me a breakdown on some of the
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  Speaker 1: imagery on some of the single artwork, because you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people be like this motherfucker's got a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: devil mask on a lot of devil ship. I don't
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: give a shit. I'm curious. What is your like, what's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: what's the purpose of the imagery?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a there's it's homage. So it's actually
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: a cultural reference. I find this fast fascinating too, because
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I think we like to assume a lot. Yeah, of course,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: but but it's a cultural reference to a celebration that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: that is celebrated across a few Latin Latin the Latin diaspora. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: And it's called La Diablos, which is in Mexico. It's
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: it's a commemoration of African slaves freeing themselves from their
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: slave masters in Mexico. And I think more information you'll
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: find in Mexico will come from the celebration in Wahaka.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: But I'm pulling from this this sort of cultural and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: paying homage to this cultural celebration and drawing parallel to
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and also like keying in on the fact that we
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: all have shadow work to do. There's all, there's there's
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: ship that we got to deal with within ourselves and
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: free ourselves from our own masters, from the ones that
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: are influencing us and driving us to do things that
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: actually are not creating freedom in our lives the way
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: that we want to see it. And it's called analogy
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: for people who are like get really critical and about
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you know, make it very literal, yes, but but yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I think it was one of the finding the celebration
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: was probably one of the dopest things in this process
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and seeing how it actually really does it's it does
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: give an identity to like this like work that we
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: all were all doing. You know, I think inadvertently when
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: you're trying to better yourself. You got to do shadow work.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: You got to make peace or get rid of or
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: kill off some of your demons.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like you've always like made music that would
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: make me think that you've dabbled in some psychedelics. Is
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that fear?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we love psychedelics.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Can you give me your best trip dabbled? What's your
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: best trip? In your worst trip? You've ever had?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Best trip? I've had mostly good trips. Yeah, mostly good trips.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: The best ones are always outside though, yeah, like out
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: like like either by water or in the forest kind
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of vibe. Maybe not in the forest, but like like
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the and the sky is out, you know what I mean.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Like you're looking at the trees and you're like, wow,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: we really are One.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: One time I tripped out looking at a flame for
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: like an hour. I was like, Yo, that fire is
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's crazy.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: There's a real there's a real something in like especially
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: shrimps and psychedelics, that there's something in the like we
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: are all it's all one, you know, there's the oneness
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of it. I don't know, that's there's something. I never
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: had a bad trip, though I've had some bad trips.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: They always ended up in me crying over some bullshit.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: You just get feelings. Yeah, you just start thinking yeah, yeah, listen.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: The worst trip I had actually wasn't psychedelics. It was weed.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Did you eat it?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I ate it? It was it was edible, and I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: was like under a car, Like.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: The worst trip I've ever had in my life was
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: definitely eating weed.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll do it and you.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Can't get rid of it, and you're like, yeah, it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: like that, that's one of you.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Gotta write that out.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I had a cake pop once that I was only
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: supposed to have like a quarter of that. Mother. I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: ate the whole joint. It's always that you're supposed to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: eat a quarter of it. I randomly was at a
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yellow Wolf Ritz concert in fucking like twenty twelve or
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: some shit, yep, and it hit me because I ate it,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm like thirty minutes past. I told my boy,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: He's like, you sure, you're good. I'm like, brod, I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: don't feel that nothing, man, Listen, bro this. I was
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: in the middle of this concert. I could not move
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: my fucking legs. They were like they might as well.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was drilled into the fucking concrete.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: That's real and then I look on stage and there's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: like a cartoon Garfield the cat on stage, and his
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: eyes was like moving like a fucking slot machine. Bro.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And then have you ever been so high where there's
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of people around that you could like in
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: on people's conversations from far away? You hear everything. You
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: hear it all like you hear everything that you're like
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't hear otherwise.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Gives you like superpowers. It's a trip. And do you
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: ever feel like, have you ever been so high where
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you feel like you're on like a like a sitcom?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Like is this real?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, in the middle of one hundred percent? And whenever
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I get that high, it's almost like the things that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: would happen on a sitcom happen in front of me,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and you're like, wait a minute, yeah, what the fuck?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, craziness, craziness, Yo, can you speak to you? And
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like you and Jay Cole's careers kind of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: started to really take off at the same time. Obviously,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you guys are so synonymous with each other in terms of,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you know, your first big record, and I mean obviously
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: his record was on his second album, but one of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: them ones, But what was it? Like kind of like
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: being able to kind of share like that early you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you guys are both blog era artists.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I feel I mean I might have this wrong.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: As I remembered, it was like a Two Dope Boys
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was like where I found where I first.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Heard probably shout to Me and Shake.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Was that ship shout out, shout out. I missed two
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Do Me too. Yeah, I missed that era too, but yeah,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I think I had him and Kendrick. I was like
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I heard I heard both of them on Two Dope
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Boys and discovered them there. And Cole had mixtapes. Maybe
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: he had some album. Did he have an album?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: No, he probably had the mixtape run. It was like
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the warm up and.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the warm up. It was
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: one of those Friday night lights cold. Forgive me if
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I got that order wrong.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like all I want is you came out
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: before his first album.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a that was an introductory record for
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: both of us in a lot of in a lot
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: of ways, and man, it's a dope It's a dope
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: school to be a you know, we're kind of the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: we all came those that came up in that moment.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: It's it's dope to see how it impacted music, how
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: it has impacted music, and to see the see how
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: everyone is really made and carved, you know, their lanes
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: out and in ways that I think that we're going
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to continue to like we we we at least have
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: like made an impact. And I can I can hear
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Cole's influence, I can hear my influences, I can hear Kendrick,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I can hear all of my contemporary contemporaries and the
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: new music that's that's come out since then. And I
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: think this is the the kind of artist that I'm
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: so I'm really grateful to kind of be around and
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: in association with in terms of like that impact and
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: what have you. I'm really grateful to kind of be
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: a part of that class.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were like a part of the R
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and B guys who were taking advantage of like like
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like the art Dealer she projects were like
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: just straight to the Internet for the fans.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the amount of downloads on that that
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: shit at the time was crazy.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember like getting them shits ondap pif bruh.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I mean these are sites that you'd have to know about, Yeah,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: coming up. But yeah, we had some dope ones. We
• 35:14
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• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the interview. You used to live
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: with Baby Bash back in the day.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Is this true? I stated his crib a couple of time,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: his crib. I stated his crib a couple of times. Man, Man,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Bash has seen me fucked up for sure.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Now you this was around the time where Baby Bash
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: was a legendary swordsman.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I'll say, oh, I mean to this day, but Baby
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Bash has I've seen this full Yeah, there was a time.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: It was the craziest Baby Bash story you had for us.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you wouldn't mind you sharing, because he's told
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: some of us as.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: The Bash is the best at telling the stories. But
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you his pull like when he would
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: pull up and who would be with him.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Crazy just bangbros.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: And then when he would leave, what was leaving with
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: him crazier it would be. It would be like that,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: and also like just nonchalant, like no.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would always like every time we would hang out,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: he would like, just tell me about the latest like
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: porn Shake he's taken down, and I'd be like that
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that's left era because I think Bash is retired now,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, from that era, there's like every like
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: porn Chick that existed that was on Brassers or bang Bros.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Baby Bash has has a story about brasers are bang
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Bros is crazy? It was an era all of them? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I think yeah he was.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: He was definitely. I mean he's he's kind of a
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: one on one. If you've ever hung out with Bash,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you know he's he's Capital P. You know what I
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: mean for Capital P?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Like him and the Stewies and the Stewie Bros. What's up, man?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I hope they're doing well having spoken now, I mean
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Bash is bashing man.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: You know, he's still running around doing like him and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: empty magic touring and doing like one hundred and ninety
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: shows a year or something. Crazy. Yeah, it's wild. Also
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: just good people one hundred percent. What is uh for
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: you? Your most underrated project wild heart?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm underrated. That'll catch up to them though, uh,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: don't catch up to that one. I think. My I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: think that's.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: What's the joint? What was the corrupt joint? Nwa? Man,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that's a hard fire.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Nwa.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, shout out corrupt, shout out to corrupt. Is
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: there anybody like that, because I feel like you're so
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: much a part of the like even though you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you make traditionally amazing R and B music when it
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: comes to just like the LA shit, is there anybody
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: who you've been paying attention to, you want to work with,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: you're just a fan of, could be a singer, could
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: be a rapper or whatever.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I think all of the man La right now. Who's
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: not in LA though right now? Everyone too, but you
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: mean from La.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: From La? From LA, I just mean like, yeah, I
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, we've had this kind of resurgence
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of like I guess the industry really really really looking
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: at LA. Shout out to uh, you know, Kendrick for
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: helping that twenty twenty twenty four runs.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Twenty four is legendary.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: All Timer put it in a rad that's like, uh
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: that Barry Bond season where he was on HGH.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, without the without insane. I mean LA. I think
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: there's so many that I haven't worked with from LA.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of like there's a lot of
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: catching up.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Have you ever connected with Ramble? He's from your hometown. Yeah,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Rambles from sam Piedro, I believe so. Yeah, he's a
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: part of the Stink team with Draco before Draco passed away.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Man I did not know that. Yeah, that would be hard.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: I think there's a project of like collapse that should come.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I was I've just been talking about this like I
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm making it happen in real time.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Like where you just do like a whole project where
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: it's just like every song has a feature.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I just now, I just want to like produce and
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: like I'll either just produce or I'll do production and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: like sing the hook.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: How much of this album did you produce?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: A lot? This one more than the last a lot
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: of it. I'm playing drums on on this album New Martyrs,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: You're joint I produce. That's tough, Thank you, thank you.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I'm on Chaos, I'm on I'm through throughout the album.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: There's maybe two songs that I didn't.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Produce that I'm not like that you're that you didn't touch?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah that I didn't touch.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. Who is like, uh if you had?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like there's so many dope hip hop
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: albums where we've seen, like you know, hit Boy work
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: with Nas or Alchemists work with Freddie Gibbs, if you
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: can lock in with one producer, because I feel like
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: you and me have a dope joint, Like, who would
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: be that one producer if you could just lock in, Oh.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: That's so hard, I need project.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: You could pick anybody. Man holds the hard part.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That's not because I think there are there's there's a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: couple of that would be incredible. Salamis for sure one.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I've said this before. Dave Sidik is one fly Low
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: would crazy, I've worked man. Oh who else am I thinking.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: A little slept on you.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually kind of crazy. So we did work
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: real quick, like one one two hour ideas, real quick soundway,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that would be crazy. Dah, he would be crazy for sure.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: He's on this album. He's actually produced though.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Oh dope.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: A lot of Spanish on the album.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of Spanish. Yeah, that's that like when
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: you really start to get down to your who you
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: are and you I think you find what I found
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: was a lot more pride and like, not that I
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't proud of who I am, but I think it's
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: just more solid and I think that naturally just led
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to more Spanish on the album.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Well, that album is dope. It's not called Chaos, by
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the way, guys, Kyle, Chaos is the work though. I
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: just assumed you were like being artsy with your spelling
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: of chaos.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I was checked it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: It's chaos, yeah, with Gail's so fucking artsy ship rock
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: right right, I had to be so fine.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, it's chaos. Got you? Oh yeah, Kyles?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah in Spanish Man, October twenty third, that's uh Friday, right, Thursday,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Thursday night crazy, nine pm, that's right, yeah, Thursday night
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: nine pm ps T.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, go support the album.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Get the album.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: It's incredible.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: By it on vinyl, bit on CD by records, By
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: the Records. Do you think it's kind of dope? Vinyl's
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: coming back. It's like time it's been, it's been on
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: the up crazy and now.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: It's are you doing different variants of your vinyl? Yeah?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I have. So there's a special edition vinyl that you
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: can only get on my site S one C dot
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: l A. And then of course there's like the the original,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you know, just the just the standard release.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like that's the one thing. Man the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: you know who, obviously you know, the Alchemist, the Alchemist,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: murdering man, he's got you got that die. Every time
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: he drops he does like five different variants because like
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: there's like the super limited one, it's like a hundred bucks,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and then that sells out and then we can buy the.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: But listen, Miguel, I appreciate you, man, appreciate you having
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: me go support the album. Yeah, go get that. That's it, right,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you got it. That's right, my guy. There it is