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- 0:07Welcome back to the starting block.
- 0:09Happy Tuesday to you wherever you
- 0:11are joining us from today.
- 0:12It's a big day for the
- 0:14block as we officially announced the
- 0:16launch of our sister site,
- 0:18The Latent.
- 0:19I've got Adam Jane's publisher at
- 0:21the block joining us a little bit
- 0:23later in the hot seat to talk to us
- 0:24about this new website and
- 0:26everything you can expect from
- 0:28that platform and what we'll be
- 0:29covering.
- 0:30But really exciting today for,
- 0:32exciting day for everyone here at
- 0:33the Block and a big congratulations
- 0:36to all involved.
- 0:37In the launch of the Latent, which
- 0:38we'll be telling you about a little
- 0:40bit later in the show.
- 0:42Before we do that, we're gonna go
- 0:43with regular programming today.
- 0:44We've got the Block briefing, where
- 0:46I'm gonna give you a breakdown of
- 0:47the top stories you need to know
- 0:49from the Block's editorial
- 0:50coverage of fantastic journalists
- 0:52working hard every day, keeping you
- 0:54informed, and we make sure that we
- 0:56highlight the best stories from
- 0:57that. And then I've called up Andre
- 0:59Dragos from Bitwise Europe
- 1:01to talk to us a little bit about why
- 1:03Bitcoin is above $85,000
- 1:05for the first time.
- 1:06Since the beginning of the year.
- 1:08A lot to unpack in today's show, but
- 1:10we're gonna jump straight into the
- 1:11block briefing first, and then we'll
- 1:13be moving on to Market Pulse with
- 1:14Andre Dragos. So, your first stories
- 1:16of the day.
- 1:17The institutions are piling back in.
- 1:19US spot Bitcoin ETFs pulled
- 1:21in nearly a billion dollars
- 1:22yesterday, 999
- 1:24million to be exact.
- 1:26Their biggest single day haul in 11
- 1:28months as Bitcoin punched above
- 1:30$87,000.
- 1:32BlackRock's iBit led with 381
- 1:34million followed by our.
- 1:36ARKB and Fidelity's FBTC
- 1:39Ether funds joined the party to
- 1:41taking in 275 million,
- 1:44their best day since last October.
- 1:47An analyst point to renewed risk
- 1:48appetite, strong ETF demand and
- 1:50a wave of short covering after
- 1:52Bitcoin broke through technical,
- 1:54key technical levels.
- 1:56Our next headline, two stable coin
- 1:58heavyweights are tying the knot
- 2:00tighter. Binance has bought
- 2:01$100 million stake in Circle,
- 2:04the issuer of USDC.
- 2:05Snapping up about 1.2
- 2:07million shares at just under
- 2:09$81 a piece,
- 2:11according to an SEC filing
- 2:13earlier today.
- 2:15The deal closed alongside a new
- 2:16five-year commercial agreement to
- 2:18expand promotion of USDC
- 2:20across Circle's smart wallet
- 2:22infrastructure.
- 2:23In return, Circle will pay Binance
- 2:25a monthly incentive fee tied
- 2:27to USDC usage.
- 2:28It's a notable deepening of ties
- 2:30between the world's largest crypto
- 2:32exchange and one of the biggest
- 2:34names in stable coins.
- 2:36Then on to some Bitcoin news.
- 2:37Michael Saylor is still stacking.
- 2:40Strategy, the company formerly known
- 2:41as MicroStrategy snapped up another
- 2:43950 Bitcoin for
- 2:45$76 million last week at
- 2:47an average price near 80,000.
- 2:49That pushes its total stash to
- 2:51846,000 Bitcoin
- 2:53with roughly $72 billion,
- 2:55more than 4% of the entire
- 2:5721 million coin supply.
- 2:59At current prices, that's around $8
- 3:01billion in paper gains.
- 3:02Saylor summed up the buy-in classic
- 3:04form, calling it quote.
- 3:06A little more orange.
- 3:07Then Fundstrat's Tom Lee says the
- 3:09crypto bull market is already here.
- 3:11His Ethereum treasury company
- 3:12Bitmine just added another 27,000
- 3:15ether, pushing its holdings close
- 3:17to six million coins with over
- 3:19$16 billion as it
- 3:21closes in on owning 5%
- 3:23of Ethereum's entire supply.
- 3:25Lee argues the rally kicked off back
- 3:26in late June, driven by a rotation
- 3:28out of AI stocks and back into
- 3:30crypto, plus strengthening
- 3:31fundamentals around tokenization.
- 3:33He calls Ether's blowout third
- 3:35quarter a prelude to an even
- 3:37stronger move ahead.
- 3:40Then Coinbase wants to be your
- 3:41everything exchange.
- 3:42The crypto giant is now letting
- 3:43eligible U.S.
- 3:45Customers grab IPO shares right from
- 3:47its app at the offer price before
- 3:49the stock starts trading, kicking
- 3:51off with smart ring maker
- 3:52Aura's debut this week.
- 3:55Depending on demand, you might get a
- 3:56full allocation, a partial one, or
- 3:58none at all.
- 3:59Again, a big push beyond crypto and
- 4:01secondary market stock.
- 4:02Trading into the primary market,
- 4:04building on the pre IPO derivatives.
- 4:06Coinbase rolled out earlier this
- 4:07year, starting with SpaceX.
- 4:10Then our final story, crypto's
- 4:11political war chest is opening back
- 4:13up. The industry super PAC fair
- 4:15shake is committing $30 million
- 4:17to an Ohio race against
- 4:19former Senator Sherrod Brown,
- 4:22its most aggressive midterm move yet
- 4:24coming just days after the
- 4:25Senate failed to pass sweeping
- 4:27crypto legislation, the Clarity Act.
- 4:29Brown, the former chair of the
- 4:31Senate Banking Committee.
- 4:32Has long been one of the industry's
- 4:34toughest critics.
- 4:35Fairshake already spent $12 million
- 4:38to help beat him back in 2024 and
- 4:40says more midterm spending decisions
- 4:42are on the way.
- 4:44And that is it for the block
- 4:45briefing. We're gonna be moving into
- 4:46the market pulse.
- 4:47It's a great pleasure to welcome a
- 4:49friend of the show, Andre Dragosh,
- 4:51back. He is joining us from London
- 4:53where he's been at Bitcoin Corporate
- 4:54Day.
- 4:55So I'm surprised he's not wearing an
- 4:57orange tie.
- 4:59Andre, how's it going?
- 5:06Or do you want me to talk about the
- 5:07conference?
- 5:11Do you want me to talk about the
- 5:13conference? You can give us a
- 5:14quick...
- 5:14I mean the quick rundown of
- 5:16the conference is there
- 5:18are more participants than last year
- 5:20which is good.
- 5:22So I think we're moving into
- 5:25the right direction. Of course like
- 5:26the sentiment is different right the
- 5:28moment we cross
- 5:2980k
- 5:31and 85k in particular I
- 5:33think can already feel that there's
- 5:35some kind of sentiment change within
- 5:37the institutions that
- 5:39are participating and it's generally
- 5:41like a more a positive kind of
- 5:43mood.
- 5:44Yeah, for sure.
- 5:45Look, I've been to a couple of those
- 5:47those events as well.
- 5:49And, you know, definitely not quite
- 5:50the bull market hype of
- 5:52a couple of years ago, but still a
- 5:54lot of interest in Bitcoin treasury
- 5:55companies.
- 5:56But let's talk about Bitcoin, Andre.
- 5:58That's why I called you up today.
- 5:59I'm very curious to get one of the
- 6:01best minds in the game's thoughts on
- 6:03why we finally surged past $85,000
- 6:05and what the main reason was for
- 6:07this.
- 6:09I mean, I think was clearly
- 6:11spot driven, which is a good sign.
- 6:13You want to see spot demand
- 6:15driving prices higher.
- 6:17Usually it's, I'd
- 6:19say it's better than kind of
- 6:21derivatives driven rally.
- 6:22But of course,
- 6:25these kinds of spikes to the
- 6:26upside, they tend to be amplified by
- 6:29short liquidations and
- 6:31futures markets and so on.
- 6:32And also option
- 6:35gamma hedging rates.
- 6:36So dealers,
- 6:38buy.
- 6:39And more options, right,
- 6:41to hashtag gamma exposure.
- 6:43And so that has also driven prices
- 6:45higher.
- 6:45But I think if you look back,
- 6:48if you consider early
- 6:50Monday morning after the weekend,
- 6:52when this kind of pump happened,
- 6:54right above 85K,
- 6:58the US market wasn't open
- 7:00yet, right?
- 7:01Most US guys were probably asleep.
- 7:04And what you saw was a
- 7:06lot of spot buying in
- 7:08particular on Binance.
- 7:09So I suppose it was mostly Asian
- 7:12buyers that
- 7:14drove this kind of
- 7:17spike, right, and
- 7:19this rally to new cycle highs.
- 7:22And my general take is,
- 7:24and it's always been our take at
- 7:26Bitwise, I think for the past
- 7:28couple of months, the
- 7:30moment we cross this kind of ETF
- 7:32cost basis around 83K,
- 7:36I think we are in a
- 7:38genuine bull market because this
- 7:40kind ETF cost base has been
- 7:43the key demarcation line between
- 7:45bull and bear.
- 7:46And what we can see now is
- 7:48the mentality has essentially
- 7:50flipped from.
- 7:52Selling the RIP, right?
- 7:53This kind of exiting that
- 7:55position at break even to buying
- 7:57the dip again, right, which is very
- 7:59bullish.
- 8:00And you can also see on
- 8:01chain that traders are
- 8:04starting to defend their cost faces,
- 8:06meaning they're
- 8:08not exiting that decision anymore,
- 8:10but yeah, they're buying and
- 8:12increasing, accumulating
- 8:14even more, right.
- 8:15Increasing their position.
- 8:16And so I think that's a positive
- 8:18sign. I think we're
- 8:20moving out of this crypto winter
- 8:21into a kind of crypto bloom,
- 8:23crypto spring.
- 8:25And I think at this point in
- 8:27time, especially after having
- 8:29crossed the ETF call space around 83
- 8:31K and we've closed above it, right?
- 8:34I think it's very,
- 8:36very unlikely at this time that we
- 8:38see new cycle lows.
- 8:39So I think the bear markets over and
- 8:41we move towards a general bull
- 8:43market.
- 8:44Well, there you have it from Andre
- 8:45Dragos, the bear market's over.
- 8:47I love that a lot.
- 8:48I thought it was really funny.
- 8:49Ben Cowan took to Twitter and
- 8:51X yesterday and said, you know,
- 8:53he took an L he's like, sorry, guys,
- 8:54I was wrong. You know, I've been
- 8:55predicting that we're going to get
- 8:57lows in, in October.
- 8:58And it looks like that's not going
- 9:00to come to fruition.
- 9:01Um, my final question to you,
- 9:03were you actually surprised that
- 9:04Bitcoin pumped this Monday?
- 9:05Was it, did it come out the blue for
- 9:06you? Um, you guys at Bitwise
- 9:08are so dialed in, I would imagine
- 9:10that. Maybe there were some sort of
- 9:12indicators that were suggesting
- 9:13something like this might happen.
- 9:16It was funny, to be honest, it came
- 9:18out of the blue, right?
- 9:19So I think we were consolidating
- 9:22between this kind of ETF cost basis
- 9:24and the true market mean around the
- 9:27mid 70s.
- 9:28Because we did a first attempt
- 9:31at 81K, 82K
- 9:33before and then we rejected,
- 9:35I thought we would continue to
- 9:37consolidate because sentiment was
- 9:39already very much overheated.
- 9:41But I think a lot of this kind of
- 9:43initial euphoria
- 9:45faded somewhat, and
- 9:47then you had this kind of increased
- 9:49spot buying that you
- 9:51actually could see in cumulative
- 9:53volume delta, which is essentially
- 9:55the difference between
- 9:57buying volumes on exchange
- 9:59and selling volumes
- 10:01on exchanges.
- 10:03And it was the highest
- 10:05spot demand, I think,
- 10:07in September so far, so very
- 10:09strong demand on an early Monday
- 10:11morning.
- 10:13And I think it came
- 10:15out of nowhere, but I mean,
- 10:16sometimes these things just happen
- 10:18because investors see
- 10:20value in a
- 10:22certain asset, right?
- 10:24And Ithink Bitcoin is more
- 10:26this kind of value asset right
- 10:28now than a kind of momentum trade
- 10:30still needs to build this kind of
- 10:32momentum.
- 10:33But especially compared to other
- 10:35assets out there, right, especially
- 10:37like gold or like the S&P 500,
- 10:40other more like debasement hedges.
- 10:42I think Bitcoin in this kind of
- 10:43relative world is
- 10:46looking the most attractive still,
- 10:47right? If you look at, for
- 10:49instance, the deviation of the
- 10:51price from its 200 week moving
- 10:53average, more like a cycle lens.
- 10:56I think both the NASDAQ, S&Ps
- 10:58500, they're trading at their like
- 11:0080, 90 percentile.
- 11:02So they're pretty much overvalued.
- 11:04Well, you can still see Bitcoin
- 11:06trading at the 20th percentile,
- 11:08right?
- 11:09So I think we're still early innings
- 11:11in that kind of cycle.
- 11:13And if you believe in some kind
- 11:14of rotation,
- 11:16especially from the AI complex into
- 11:19Bitcoin, I think this
- 11:22really definitely has legs.
- 11:23I mean, where do we go from here?
- 11:26Remember, we did this kind of...
- 11:29We created this kind of alligator
- 11:31jaw right between Glow Money Supply
- 11:33and Bitcoin essentially
- 11:35since October and
- 11:38GlowMoneySupply has continued to
- 11:40make new all-time highs,
- 11:42AI has sucked some of the
- 11:44liquidity out of the room, some of
- 11:45oxygen out of room, which is
- 11:47probably the reason why Bitcoin
- 11:49underperformed.
- 11:50But if you believe in this kind of
- 11:51catch-up, I
- 11:53think we'll probably move
- 11:56towards 100, 150k
- 11:57in a rather short period of time.
- 12:00I don't think we will move there
- 12:02until the end
- 12:04of the year, but I think that
- 12:06is actually the fair value I'm
- 12:08seeing right now.
- 12:10Beautiful. André, two very bullish
- 12:12takes right here
- 12:14on the starting block.
- 12:15Thanks so much for joining us,
- 12:16taking a break from the conference
- 12:17there to join us in London.
- 12:19I hope to catch up with you soon.
- 12:21Thank you so much.
- 12:23Cheers, André. Thank you very much.
- 12:24We're going to be moving on to the
- 12:26hot seat now.
- 12:27And it's time for something that
- 12:29we're very excited about here at the
- 12:30block, something that's been
- 12:33being built in stealth for quite
- 12:35some time.
- 12:36So I'm going to welcome to the show
- 12:37Adam James, She's publisher here at
- 12:39the block.
- 12:40Um, my boss has well, so
- 12:42it's a, it's great to have you on
- 12:43the, have you on the show, Adam.
- 12:48All right, my producer Jordan is
- 12:49telling me he wants me to play the
- 12:51launch video before we even get
- 12:53into the meat of this.
- 12:55So if you have no idea what the
- 12:56latent is, take a look at this.
- 12:59It is much too
- 13:01risky, but we need immediate.
- 13:03It's a ban on super-intelligent
- 13:05A.I.
- 13:06Of all the moments.
- 13:12I'm gonna call the po-
- 13:13You got this one.
- 13:14The one where it starts working.
- 13:19Silence becomes speech.
- 13:22Diseases become footnotes.
- 13:25Famine gets forecast.
- 13:27Questions become answers.
- 13:30Noise becomes language.
- 13:34Every generation gets one.
- 13:36Yours thinks.
- 13:38It reads everything ever written.
- 13:41It doesn't sleep.
- 13:43It doesn' forget.
- 13:46A century of progress.
- 13:50And most people use it to summarize
- 13:52media.
- 13:54Look up!
- 14:04All right, there you have it.
- 14:05Very, very exciting to announce the
- 14:07launch of the Latent, which is
- 14:09a sister site to the block,
- 14:12primarily focused on AI news.
- 14:14It's a great pleasure to have Adam
- 14:16James, publisher here at the block
- 14:17to join me on the show today to talk
- 14:19a little bit about the Latents, the
- 14:20work that's gone into it, and what
- 14:22people can find on this website and
- 14:24why we decided we needed a whole
- 14:26standalone platform to
- 14:28serve this growing market.
- 14:30First things first, Adam, welcome
- 14:32to the show. How's it going?
- 14:34Yeah, thanks for having me on, long
- 14:35time watcher, first time caller,
- 14:37and happy to be here.
- 14:40Everything is going good, been a
- 14:41busy day for us, as
- 14:43you well know, and as
- 14:45Jordan knows as well.
- 14:48Yep, really exciting to
- 14:50watch the launch video, something
- 14:51that our multimedia team here at The
- 14:53Block cooked up.
- 14:54But for the audience out there that
- 14:55don't know anything about
- 14:58the Latent, can you give us a little
- 14:59bit of a rundown of what
- 15:01kind of content we're covering on
- 15:03the website, what people can find
- 15:04there, and what makes it kind of
- 15:06stand out from what is
- 15:08missing from sort of the
- 15:10AI media machine?
- 15:11Because there are some decent
- 15:13sort of resources out there.
- 15:14But. I think there was a very clear
- 15:16gap in the market and that is what
- 15:17we've aimed to build.
- 15:19Yeah, exactly.
- 15:20So, you know, the easiest way to
- 15:22describe it, of course, is it's the
- 15:24block, but about AI, right?
- 15:26And so
- 15:28I think in terms of like
- 15:29thematically, and the type
- 15:31of content, the quality of content
- 15:33the style, the voice that you're
- 15:34going to get from the latent is what
- 15:36people would be accustomed to
- 15:38getting from the block, right.
- 15:40So well written objective
- 15:42takes about
- 15:45About the industry right not
- 15:47necessarily primarily the industry
- 15:48but with a sort of industry focus,
- 15:50right? So when new models drop we
- 15:52aim to be the first
- 15:54For example our Twitter
- 15:56account, right like we we've
- 15:58invested resources into really
- 16:01Breaking news and being very early
- 16:03on that front.
- 16:04I'm on the articles We will have
- 16:06you know, we do funding really well
- 16:07on the block, right we will have a
- 16:08lot of Depth of
- 16:10coverage into funding into
- 16:12I mean basically every everything
- 16:14about AI, right?
- 16:15That would be relevant to somebody.
- 16:18And in terms of the gap that it
- 16:19fills, you're absolutely right.
- 16:21So the latent,
- 16:22broadly speaking, is sort of the
- 16:24brainchild of Larry Cermak,
- 16:26as well as myself in
- 16:28a sort of primary supporting role,
- 16:30right.
- 16:30And we identified a
- 16:32while ago, like months ago, that
- 16:35with very
- 16:37few exceptions, there is no
- 16:39site that actually fulfills
- 16:42this need.
- 16:43Um, of, of quality reporting,
- 16:45like the way the block does with
- 16:46crypto.
- 16:48So you do have like AI slop sites,
- 16:50right? That are primarily also
- 16:51written by AI and they're
- 16:53not very reliable.
- 16:55Um, and then you have big mainstream
- 16:58news outlets, of course, that cover
- 16:59AI and they do get big stories, but
- 17:01there is no sort of dedicated
- 17:04or let's say very, very few,
- 17:06to be fair, dedicated, um,
- 17:08websites specific to AI.
- 17:10That. People can actually
- 17:12go to. I mean, maybe people watching
- 17:14this know, like if you want to just
- 17:16go someplace to get your AI news,
- 17:17like there isn't really a lot of
- 17:19options available.
- 17:20And that's why we
- 17:22decided to create Delayton
- 17:23essentially. We know what we do with
- 17:25the crypto industry is very
- 17:27good. I hope people watching the
- 17:29show would agree that the block is
- 17:30the leader when it comes to
- 17:32crypto news media research
- 17:34and data.
- 17:35So we aim to do the same with
- 17:37AI, with Delaytton.
- 17:39Yeah, definitely, and I mean, anyone
- 17:41who hasn't already, you can find the
- 17:43website, it's thelatent.co.
- 17:46And I think one of the best things,
- 17:47having been a print journalist
- 17:49and an online journalist for a very
- 17:51long period of time, working
- 17:53in the age of LLMs
- 17:55and AI, it got to
- 17:57a point where you never quite knew
- 17:59what you were reading and if it
- 18:01was predominantly written
- 18:03by an actual journalist or was
- 18:04perhaps the
- 18:07proverbial AI slop
- 18:09jockey.
- 18:09And I think one of the great things
- 18:10about this is if you go to the
- 18:12Leighton Co.
- 18:13And you click on any of the news
- 18:14articles, there is a badge that,
- 18:17you know, it's essentially
- 18:19a widget that tells you
- 18:22if an article is written
- 18:24by a human or how much of it
- 18:26comes from AI
- 18:28contributions.
- 18:30Can you talk a little bit about this
- 18:31Pangram integration and
- 18:34why we think that's such an
- 18:35important thing to have?
- 18:36Yeah, absolutely.
- 18:37So as you mentioned, every article
- 18:39that we published on the latent has
- 18:41an automated pangrim
- 18:43score, right?
- 18:44And the best thing about it is you
- 18:45can actually click through it and
- 18:47you can see, you can go
- 18:49to pangram.com itself and
- 18:51it will provide you the report.
- 18:53So, you know, it's, it's fully
- 18:54transparent and we're not faking
- 18:56anything.
- 18:57Um, The
- 18:59reason I love this, and a lot of
- 19:00people at the company love this as
- 19:02well, especially I think on the
- 19:04editorial side, is that
- 19:06until I would
- 19:08say very recently, so let's say like
- 19:11throughout this year and
- 19:13prior, there was a lot fear about
- 19:16AI replacing journalists,
- 19:19as well as just jobs across the
- 19:20board in the world, like automation
- 19:22and AI is coming for your job.
- 19:24If you write online the
- 19:26fear has been very real and people
- 19:27have been impacted by this already.
- 19:29I'm over recent years
- 19:32but with
- 19:34let's say with SEO changes and
- 19:36maybe with people's appetites for
- 19:37what they want to consume online.
- 19:39I think we've seen a shift to
- 19:42de-prioritize fully automated
- 19:44AI written content or AI produced
- 19:46content even on the video side in
- 19:49favor of things that people know
- 19:51were created by human.
- 19:54I mean that this is that's a broad
- 19:55stroke right that doesn't
- 19:56necessarily apply to everybody but
- 19:58I think it's a fair assumption to
- 19:59make also again from an SEO
- 20:01perspective.
- 20:03Google search, for example,
- 20:05is trending very clearly towards
- 20:07removal of AI-generated
- 20:09content in favor of human-generating
- 20:11content.
- 20:12So I think not only is
- 20:14it transparent, which we obviously
- 20:15believe in at the block anyways,
- 20:18you know, as crypto enthusiasts, not
- 20:19only it transparent but
- 20:21it also sort of protects what
- 20:23we do in a way by making us
- 20:25very open about it. We're using this
- 20:26leading AI tool that can
- 20:29verify that we're actually writing
- 20:30the articles.
- 20:31In a fair way, right?
- 20:33Like most of our articles, as you
- 20:34will see, are 100% human
- 20:36written, but there may be cases
- 20:38where they're like 90 or 80, and
- 20:39maybe that's fine, because maybe
- 20:41the AI assistance to that degree in
- 20:43that article is completely justified
- 20:45because the humans still wrote it
- 20:46and they had to use AI
- 20:48to explain something or research
- 20:50something. So I mean, if that
- 20:51happens, we're showing it to the
- 20:53reader, we're not hiding anything,
- 20:54right.
- 20:56So yeah, I think overall, like it's
- 20:58a net positive, And I would like to
- 21:00see, you know, other.
- 21:01Other sites in the future
- 21:02potentially adopt something similar
- 21:05from us.
- 21:07I think, yeah, definitely having it
- 21:09there is going to set some sort of a
- 21:10precedent and hopefully,
- 21:12yeah more websites start integrating
- 21:14this. I think it's pretty important.
- 21:15It's just a useful tool to know,
- 21:17or at least have some sort of
- 21:19verification and understanding of
- 21:21who's produced what and written
- 21:23what.
- 21:23The other thing I wanted to talk
- 21:24about the website is the benchmarks
- 21:27page. And I think that this is
- 21:28like, this is hugely interesting.
- 21:31And I know you and I are both sort
- 21:33of PC enthusiasts and we would
- 21:35probably resort to go into something
- 21:36like. Tom's hardware to get
- 21:39benchmark breakdowns of the latest
- 21:41CPUs or GPUs, if you're
- 21:43building a gaming computer or
- 21:45something like that.
- 21:46But similarly, AI models offer
- 21:49similar things, and there are
- 21:51fundamental differences between
- 21:53the different models, what they're
- 21:54good at, what they are not so good
- 21:56at.
- 21:58And Larry, yourself and the team
- 21:59have built this benchmark
- 22:01section of the website.
- 22:03Can you talk to us a little bit more
- 22:04about the latent score and how we're
- 22:06benchmarking these different
- 22:08models and
- 22:10what that tells our new
- 22:12readers?
- 22:14Yeah.
- 22:14So the benchmark, you know, people I
- 22:16think with the block are
- 22:18very accustomed to
- 22:20our very robust sort of data
- 22:22dashboard and you know
- 22:24research department and these
- 22:25things.
- 22:27And that's also something that's a
- 22:28very unique aspect that
- 22:30I think the latent is now
- 22:32providing to the market.
- 22:34So in terms of AI benchmarking,
- 22:36if you go to
- 22:40without like naming names
- 22:42or websites.
- 22:43They're very like,
- 22:45I mean, I think I would say a lot
- 22:47of them are just sort of wrong, like
- 22:49they're not necessarily wrong in the
- 22:50ranking of like this model is the
- 22:52best, like, you know,
- 22:54Fable 5.1 is better than DeepSeek
- 22:56V4.1, like for whatever reason,
- 22:58but the the scale
- 23:00is off, like by how
- 23:02much better is it, right?
- 23:04And we have a very exhaustive
- 23:07I mean it's hard to get into all of
- 23:08the nitty gritty details here, but
- 23:10we have a very, very exhaustive.
- 23:12Um, benchmark section that's
- 23:14headlined by our latent score.
- 23:15So the latent score is the easiest
- 23:17way to just go down, like from top
- 23:19rank down to 21st rank
- 23:21model, and you can just see
- 23:23in a very clear way, like what
- 23:25is the score and then we also have
- 23:27the methodology behind it if you
- 23:28want to go further, but then if
- 23:30you dive in deeper than that, um,
- 23:33I mean, we have.
- 23:35We have, you know, benchmarks for
- 23:37all sorts of stuff that you can get
- 23:38into latent value is another really
- 23:40good one. We have...
- 23:42A very, very, nice chart that sort
- 23:44of shows the latent score that
- 23:46we have and then the observed cost
- 23:48per intelligence index task.
- 23:50So you can see, okay,
- 23:52so how good the model is versus
- 23:54how good it is relative to how
- 23:56much it costs, which is also a
- 23:58very important aspect
- 24:01on the business side or
- 24:03when you're managing your resources,
- 24:05how much does it cost to accomplish
- 24:06a certain task?
- 24:08We provide all of this.
- 24:10Information in a way that I
- 24:12genuinely don't think anybody
- 24:14else right now is,
- 24:16especially when you combine it again
- 24:18with the news side,
- 24:20the newsletter that is also
- 24:21launching today.
- 24:23I think when you combined that into
- 24:24one package,
- 24:26you get a very, very,
- 24:28robust website that
- 24:30I think is very similar to what the
- 24:32block provides for crypto.
- 24:33Yeah, I particularly love the
- 24:35benchmarking side of things.
- 24:36And I know it's going to be a
- 24:37resource for me as if and when,
- 24:39well, not if, when, you know,
- 24:41new models come out and you want to
- 24:42kind of figure out what you should
- 24:43be using and what the trade-offs
- 24:45are, the differences, pricing,
- 24:47et cetera. You can find that there.
- 24:49Obviously the other, the final kind
- 24:51of section of the website that I
- 24:52want to talk about today is, is just
- 24:53the data dashboards and yeah,
- 24:56anyone who is familiar with the
- 24:57block and our data dash boards will
- 25:00arrive at something that feels very,
- 25:02very similar.
- 25:03So you can definitely feel the block
- 25:05DNA in the latent data
- 25:07dashboards. But again, here,
- 25:09another sector where
- 25:11there's a huge amount of information
- 25:13that hasn't been
- 25:16distilled down into very
- 25:19easy-to-understand and important
- 25:21data dashboards, and we've gone and
- 25:22done that.
- 25:24Maybe you can talk a little bit
- 25:25about the data dashboard side of
- 25:26things and how much you worked with
- 25:27Larry to pump these ones out.
- 25:29Because. I think, again, there's
- 25:31some really great data dashboards
- 25:32here and a lot of information to be
- 25:34gained.
- 25:35Yeah, so in the spirit of full
- 25:36transparency, right?
- 25:37Like, you know, as a publisher and
- 25:39editor in chief, I'm not much of a
- 25:40numbers guy in that, in that sense,
- 25:42when it comes to, you know, chart
- 25:44generation and these sorts of
- 25:45things. So, you know, Larry,
- 25:47Larry and, you
- 25:49know, his side of the business get
- 25:51all of the credit for all of these
- 25:53charts. And, you know, I highly
- 25:54encourage everyone to check them
- 25:55out. Like, I mean, again, you'll see
- 25:57that block DNA right in it, but we
- 25:59already have tons of charts
- 26:02available.
- 26:03That's just
- 26:05very esthetically pleasing as well
- 26:07but I mean it's like
- 26:09everything's there like US business
- 26:10AI use right like there's
- 26:12just so much that you can dig into
- 26:14there again like we provide on the
- 26:16block for crypto so and
- 26:19it's free right so I mean this is
- 26:20just a
- 26:22fantastic resource I mean talking my
- 26:24own bag here obviously you know
- 26:25but um I mean
- 26:27I don't know how anybody like
- 26:29can look at the site that we
- 26:31launched today, you know, and just
- 26:32not see like.
- 26:34Okay, yeah, this is this is good
- 26:35stuff. This is the block for AI.
- 26:37Yeah, exactly.
- 26:38This is the block for AI the latent
- 26:40Co is officially live if
- 26:42you want to go and check out the
- 26:43website That's it.
- 26:44That's all you have to search the
- 26:45latent or the latent co if you wanna
- 26:47land straight on the web page
- 26:49Please do go and checkout the
- 26:51new Twitter handle if you don't
- 26:53already It's the latent code
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- 26:57follow Give this broadcast and
- 26:59like in a retweet if you just joined
- 27:00us today and you're catching up on
- 27:02what we've been talking about today
- 27:05That's about it for the show.
- 27:06So I'm going to say thank you,
- 27:08Adam, for joining us and chatting to
- 27:10the team and our audience about
- 27:12this.
- 27:13And from myself personally,
- 27:14to everyone involved in building the
- 27:16latent, congratulations.
- 27:17It takes a lot to build a new
- 27:18platform and bring a new idea to
- 27:20life. And I think you guys have done
- 27:21an amazing job.
- 27:24Thank you.
- 27:25Appreciate it. Beautiful, that's it.
- 27:27We're gonna be wrapping up the show
- 27:28now. If you missed today's show,
- 27:30we had Andre Dragos on the
- 27:32Market Pulse a little bit earlier
- 27:33today, telling us that the bear
- 27:34market is officially over and
- 27:36that you could expect to see Bitcoin
- 27:39over 100, up to 150K
- 27:41in the future.
- 27:44How soon that timeline is, I'm
- 27:45not quite sure. He didn't quite put
- 27:47a definitive number on it, but he
- 27:48said that very strong spot buying is
- 27:51incredibly positive.
- 27:52And a large reason why we've seen
- 27:54Bitcoin up above $85,000
- 27:56in the last couple of days.
- 27:58If you didn't join us
- 28:00last week while we were in New York
- 28:01City, we were at Avalanche Summit
- 28:04Broadcasting Live.
- 28:05We had some really great
- 28:06conversations there.
- 28:07Who's Who from the
- 28:09industry. We had Kevin O'Leary on
- 28:11the show.
- 28:12Stanley Kulikov from Aave joined us
- 28:14as well. It was a great pleasure to
- 28:16chat to former CFTC Chairman,
- 28:19Chris Giancarlo.
- 28:21And as well as Caroline Pham,
- 28:23who is a former CFTC commissioner
- 28:25right here on the show.
- 28:27If you missed those broadcasts, you
- 28:28can find them on the Block's
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- 28:31Just click on the live panel there
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- 28:35throughout the week from some of
- 28:36those conversations that we've had.
- 28:37So if you enjoyed that content, go
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