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How Bethenny Frankel Broke the Rules and Built an Empire · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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  Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
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  Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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  Speaker 1: Danielle Robe and each week, my guests and I come
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  Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
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  Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
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  Speaker 1: And who says? So? Come curious, dig deep, and join
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  Speaker 1: the conversation. It's time to question everything.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 3: If you found this podcast through us being on the
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  Speaker 3: homepage on Apple for Women's Month, I'm so happy to
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  Speaker 3: have you here. And if you've been with me for
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  Speaker 3: a while, just know I'm so grateful for you. Today
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  Speaker 3: is a really big day. As some of you may
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  Speaker 3: have noticed, the pod cast name the cover art has
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  Speaker 3: changed from pretty Smart to Question Everything. And before we
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  Speaker 3: get into today's episode with Bethany Frankel, I just want
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  Speaker 3: to share why I feel that we are in a
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  Speaker 3: moment of deep change. Everywhere you look, people are searching.
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  Speaker 3: Do you see it online? Do you feel it? I
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  Speaker 3: see people searching for meaning, for clarity, for truth. We're
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  Speaker 3: all questioning the systems that we've inherited, the way we
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  Speaker 3: work the way we love, the way we show up
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  Speaker 3: in the world, and I think more than ever, we
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  Speaker 3: need a space to do that together. That's why I'm
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  Speaker 3: so excited to share something new with you this show.
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  Speaker 3: Our show is evolving. So four years ago, almost to
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  Speaker 3: the day, I launched Pretty Smart. It started as a
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  Speaker 3: deeply personal project. To be honest, It started as something
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  Speaker 3: I felt like I had to do. I was literally
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  Speaker 3: come he held to do it. I felt like I
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  Speaker 3: had something to prove to myself and to the world.
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  Speaker 3: I so badly wanted to be taken seriously, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't think I had. At work for years, I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to challenge the idea that women had to choose between
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  Speaker 3: being seen or being smart. And I know that that
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  Speaker 3: resonated with so many of you, because Pretty Smart wasn't
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  Speaker 3: just my fight, it was ours. But time shifts things,
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  Speaker 3: culture shifts things, and maybe I'm changing too, And right
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  Speaker 3: now I don't feel the need to prove anymore. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: I feel the need to expand. So the podcast is
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  Speaker 3: now question everything. It's not just a rebrand, it's really
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  Speaker 3: a reimagination, a new way of thinking. Hopefully, It's about cultivating,
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  Speaker 3: deep carry off, expanding our perspectives and deepening our connections
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  Speaker 3: to ourselves and to each other. It's about moving beyond
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  Speaker 3: surface level takes and really getting to the root of things,
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  Speaker 3: because I think we're living in a time where we're
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  Speaker 3: drowning in opinions, but we're starving for wisdom, and if
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  Speaker 3: we want to create the world we seek, we have
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  Speaker 3: to start by asking better questions. I read a book
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  Speaker 3: recently that kind of started all of this, which is
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  Speaker 3: funny because Pretty Smart started based on a book too,
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  Speaker 3: But I read this book called The Karma of Questions,
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  Speaker 3: and it shifted things for me. So let me explain.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's saying what goes around comes around.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: In the age of communication, right, we have such high
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  Speaker 3: communication but such low connection. Does anybody stop to wonder
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  Speaker 3: what are the ripples of the questions we ask? Think
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  Speaker 3: about it this way. We may have a thousand followers
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  Speaker 3: on Instagram, but if we have anyone to feed our cat,
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  Speaker 3: pick us up from the airport, drop off cough syrup
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  Speaker 3: when we're sick, and all those relationships are built on
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  Speaker 3: the foundation of questions.
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  Speaker 2: I know that sounds nuts.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna be like Danielle, You're obsessed with questions, which
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  Speaker 3: I am, but I'm telling you it's because I've felt
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  Speaker 3: the shift myself, like it's almost the superpower, and I
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  Speaker 3: want you to have it. If we all agree that
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  Speaker 3: the quality of our relationships determines the quality of our lives,
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  Speaker 3: then we have to get to the root of what
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  Speaker 3: determines the quality of those relationships, and it's questions and
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  Speaker 3: questions are not neutral.
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  Speaker 2: They're an offering, a portal.
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  Speaker 3: A declaration of how we see the world, and more importantly,
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  Speaker 3: how we see each other. A good question can illuminate
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  Speaker 3: a careless one can burn a surface level one keeps
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  Speaker 3: us skating on the surface of life. And there's a
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  Speaker 3: karmic way to them, whether we realize it or not.
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  Speaker 3: And if you think I'm crazy, this isn't a new idea.
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  Speaker 3: That book taught me that ancient wisdom traditions, from Hinduism
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  Speaker 3: to Buddhism to Socratic philosophy have long understood the power
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  Speaker 3: of our words. In Hindu thought, karma isn't just an action,
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  Speaker 3: it's intention. Every word sends ripples through the universe. In
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  Speaker 3: Buddhist teachings, they call it right speech. And it's not
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  Speaker 3: just about kindness, it's about truth because our words either
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  Speaker 3: deepen connection or deep in suffering. Think about it in
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  Speaker 3: your own life. The friend who asks you, are you
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  Speaker 3: sure that's a good idea might mean to help, but
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  Speaker 3: the energy of doubt they've sown may stick with you
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  Speaker 3: for weeks. The partner who softly asks how are you
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  Speaker 3: really can create a moment of clarity or even healing.
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  Speaker 3: Question in their simplest form, are a karmic transaction. You
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  Speaker 3: give curiosity, and in return you receive intimacy or deflection.
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  Speaker 3: Questions have a way of sticking with you. They get
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  Speaker 3: in your head, replaying at random moments when you're in
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  Speaker 3: the shower, or stuck in traffic, or trying and failing
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  Speaker 3: to fall asleep. They're like little echoes, bouncing around long
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  Speaker 3: after the conversation is over. So what is the karmic
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  Speaker 3: responsibility of a question? Maybe it's knowing when not to
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  Speaker 3: ask the ones designed to trap or corner or wound.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's leaning into the ones that crack something open,
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  Speaker 3: even if it's messy or uncomfortable. And maybe, just maybe
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  Speaker 3: it's about asking ourselves the hardest question of all, which
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  Speaker 3: is why am I asking this? What am I really
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  Speaker 3: looking for? And I've been sitting with that one a
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  Speaker 3: lot because I don't want to just put out another podcast,
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  Speaker 3: another interview. Your time is so precious. You have a
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  Speaker 3: million things to do and a million voices competing for
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  Speaker 3: your attention. So the question I was asking myself is
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  Speaker 3: how do I make this the best thirty or forty
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  Speaker 3: minutes of your week? And it's by leveling up. It's
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  Speaker 3: by making sure every single episode earns its place in
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  Speaker 3: your life, by asking the kinds of questions that don't
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  Speaker 3: just fade into the background, but stay with you, change
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  Speaker 3: the way you see something, make you laugh, make you think,
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  Speaker 3: maybe even make you uncomfortable in the best way possible.
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  Speaker 3: Because I think the best questions they don't just fill
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  Speaker 3: the silence, they shift things. And that's what this next
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  Speaker 3: chapter is about. So what's changing? Well, First, the guest list,
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  Speaker 3: while pretty smart, was centered solely on women's stories. Question,
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  Speaker 3: everything is widening the lens a bit because I think
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  Speaker 3: the conversations we need aren't just for one group, they
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  Speaker 3: shape all of us. Secondly, we're changing the format of it.
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  Speaker 3: Each week we'll tackle one big question, personal, societal, philosophical,
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  Speaker 3: something that challenges us to think differently. Some weeks are
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  Speaker 3: going to be light and fun, and some will be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit deeper, just as they have been. But
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  Speaker 3: every episode is going to leave you with something real,
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  Speaker 3: a perspective shift, a conversation starter, something that you can
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  Speaker 3: take to the dinner table that night. And thirdly, this
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  Speaker 3: is not just a podcast anymore. With the evolution of
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  Speaker 3: Question Everything, everything evolves. We're not just asking bigger questions,
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  Speaker 3: We're really creating deeper connections. And that means we're launching
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  Speaker 3: question circles, intimate gatherings designed to spark the conversations that
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  Speaker 3: don't just change minds, but change relationships and change lives.
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  Speaker 3: There's going to be live events, live gatherings, new card games,
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  Speaker 3: new ways to bring these ideas into your everyday world.
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  Speaker 3: It's all built on curiosity. It's all built on connection
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  Speaker 3: and the belief that the right questions can unlock everything.
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  Speaker 3: So here's my promise to you. These conversations will still
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  Speaker 3: up level your life, but we're going deeper. We're still
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  Speaker 3: telling the stories that matter, but we're expanding who's at
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  Speaker 3: the table, and we're still asking the hard questions, but
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  Speaker 3: now we're going to question everything because when we ask bigger, braver,
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  Speaker 3: bolder questions. We build a bigger, braver, bolder world, and
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  Speaker 3: I promise I will always bring you the questions that
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  Speaker 3: matter most. Welcome to the very first episode of Question Everything.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the very first episode of Question Everything. So
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  Speaker 3: for our inaugural episode, we have quite a guest. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there are people who build careers, and then there are
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  Speaker 3: people who build empires. Our guest today, Bethany Frankel, is
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  Speaker 3: the latter. If you know her name, you know her fire.
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  Speaker 3: You know the sharp wit, the brutal honesty, the unshakable confidence.
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  Speaker 3: You know the billion dollar business moves, the reality TV legacy,
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  Speaker 3: the influencer empire she never even meant to build. But
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  Speaker 3: what you may not know is why all of it works. Why,
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  Speaker 3: in a world full of curated personas and polished fasags,
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  Speaker 3: Bethany Frankel doesn't just stay relevant.
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  Speaker 2: She sets the blueprint.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not because of a business plan. It's not
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  Speaker 3: because she chases trends. It's because she doesn't chase anything
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  Speaker 3: at all. Bethany moves on instinct. She has always had
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  Speaker 3: this rare ability to see through the noise. She's always
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  Speaker 3: had this rare ability to see through the noise, to
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  Speaker 3: cut straight to the truth and say out loud what
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  Speaker 3: everybody else is too afraid to admit. And that's not
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  Speaker 3: a skill she learned in boardrooms or at brand summits.
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  Speaker 2: That's survival.
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  Speaker 3: Bethany grew up in chaos, and chaos teaches you things.
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  Speaker 3: It teaches you how to read a room, how to pivot,
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  Speaker 3: how to turn nothing into something, how to walk into
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  Speaker 3: a world that wasn't built for you and take up
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  Speaker 3: space anyway.
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  Speaker 4: I never felt the pain of it. I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: it was wrong. It was just survival. It was just
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  Speaker 4: what it was. It was just the racetrack and gambling
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  Speaker 4: and being at nightclubs and things like that. You don't
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  Speaker 4: realize that it's not normal until you look back.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't have money, she didn't have connections, and she
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  Speaker 3: didn't even have someone in her ear telling her she
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  Speaker 3: could do anything she wanted.
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  Speaker 2: And yet somehow she believes she could.
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  Speaker 3: And here's what happens when a person like that, someone
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  Speaker 3: who has been under us made it, dismissed or counted out,
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  Speaker 3: steps into the spotlight.
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  Speaker 2: They don't waste the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Bethany took reality TV and turned it into a billion
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  Speaker 3: dollar brand. And she did it before influencers were even
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  Speaker 3: a thing, before celebrities were selling tequila and shapewear, before
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  Speaker 3: social media could make somebody famous overnight.
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  Speaker 4: That was the Hollywood reporter, that was for everyone can deny.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what they say. Everyone in the liquor
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  Speaker 4: industry knows what happened. They made it mainstream.
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  Speaker 3: And then just when everyone thought they had figured her out,
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  Speaker 3: she did it again. She reinvented herself, and this time
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  Speaker 3: not as a CEO or a reality star, but as
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  Speaker 3: the most unexpected, reluctant influencer TikTok had ever seen.
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  Speaker 4: TV was a dinosaur, And I listened to all these
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  Speaker 4: people that are trying to clamor to get on, like
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  Speaker 4: Bravo and E, and I'm laughing because they're going into bedrock.
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  Speaker 3: No pr strategy, no brand partnerships, just Bethany doing what
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  Speaker 3: she does best, calling bullshit, telling the truth, and unknowingly
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  Speaker 3: tapping into a cultural craving for realness. But for all
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  Speaker 3: the sharp edges, for all the Bravado, there's something deeper
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  Speaker 3: at play. Bethany Frankel is not someone who has had success,
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  Speaker 3: but she's someone who's earned every inch of it. And
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  Speaker 3: for the first time, I think she's starting to let
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  Speaker 3: herself feel it.
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  Speaker 4: How could you not cry? It was insane. I was
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  Speaker 4: out of my league, out of my element.
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  Speaker 5: It was nuts.
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  Speaker 3: And as we were talking, there was a word I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't stop thinking about. I actually wrote it in my
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  Speaker 3: notes as we were speaking, because I knew that's what
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  Speaker 3: this episode would be about.
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  Speaker 2: Authenticity.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, it's the most overused word of the last three years.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 3: But when you stumble upon a person who has it
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  Speaker 3: for real, you feel it instantly, don't you. And the
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  Speaker 3: exact opposite is true, when you stumble upon a person
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  Speaker 3: who doesn't, you feel it instantly. Also, we may not
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  Speaker 3: know how to articulate it, but as humans, we just
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  Speaker 3: feel it. Authenticity is a gift. It's not about being
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  Speaker 3: real for the sake of it. It's about showing up
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  Speaker 3: as yourself, even when the world rewards people for playing
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  Speaker 3: a role. And I think Bethany Frankel's career is proof
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  Speaker 3: that being unapologetically yourself isn't just freeing. It can be
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  Speaker 3: a competitive advantage. And at the heart of everything she's
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  Speaker 3: built is this one question, what does it really mean
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  Speaker 3: to own who you are? And how do you turn
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  Speaker 3: that into power? So today she's taking us inside her mind,
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  Speaker 3: her instincts, her lessons, and why she believes authenticity isn't
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  Speaker 3: just a personal value, it's quite literally the future of success.
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  Speaker 3: This is Bethany Frankel.
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  Speaker 2: Let's begin.
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  Speaker 1: So you've mentioned that understand someone requires knowing where they
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  Speaker 1: come from. So I want to start with little Bethany.
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  Speaker 1: And you've widely talked about your upbringing. You said you
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  Speaker 1: grew up in chaos. You cited alcohol abuse, eating disorders,
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  Speaker 1: violent fights. Your quote was, I was raised in a
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  Speaker 1: cave by animals. And so when you look back, do
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  Speaker 1: you still feel mostly the pain of that? Are you
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  Speaker 1: able to be empowered by the resilience of it?
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  Speaker 4: I never felt the pain of it. I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: it was wrong, you know what I mean it was.
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  Speaker 4: I never felt the pain of it. It was just survival.
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  Speaker 4: It was just what it was. It was just the
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  Speaker 4: racetrack and gambling and being at nightclubs and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: You don't realize that it's not normal until you look back.
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  Speaker 4: I was watching Sons of Anarchy and you have little
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  Speaker 4: kid babies with prostitutes and drugs and people with guns around.
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  Speaker 4: But like, the kids don't know that that's wrong because
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  Speaker 4: it's just what's what they It's just what's around, just
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  Speaker 4: women and scantily clad clothing. They might sense somethings off,
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  Speaker 4: but that is their normal.
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  Speaker 5: So well, I didn't know.
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  Speaker 4: I now know that I'm a survivor because I'm just
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  Speaker 4: it was raised around a very tough people and a
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  Speaker 4: very tough environment. And I'm not a big complainer. And
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  Speaker 4: I've had people around me who have together families and
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  Speaker 4: you know, parents and grandparents that are in their nineties
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  Speaker 4: and maybe they're divorced or something is slightly non traditional
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  Speaker 4: say to me that they have a hard time during
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  Speaker 4: the holidays, and I'll internally roll my eyes and I'll
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  Speaker 4: be like, yeah, I'm an orphan. And there was a
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  Speaker 4: time when I was a kid when I do remember
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  Speaker 4: like doing a Christmas dinner or something fun and feeling
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  Speaker 4: the feeling that it felt good and that version of normal.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I don't have that for my daughter.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have that big family. I don't have that dynamic,
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  Speaker 4: so I, you know, create I'm just a place of
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  Speaker 4: yes person that creates positivity in other ways. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't mean I'm always a positive person. But it's
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  Speaker 4: just like if it's a divorce, we do a fake Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: It's not on the twenty fifth, if your kid's not
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  Speaker 4: going to be with you, if it's you don't have
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  Speaker 4: a big family.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Every year Bren and I go to Radio City to
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  Speaker 4: see the Roquettes, and this year we're adding Tavern on
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  Speaker 4: the Green and we have all these different rituals. We
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  Speaker 4: go to the Hamptons and we go to this ornament store.
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  Speaker 4: We each pick out an ornament.
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  Speaker 5: For each other.
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  Speaker 4: And like, we're big on traditions and rituals and things
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  Speaker 4: like that, ice skating, pumpkin picking. So we have our
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  Speaker 4: own version of what these things mean and we definitely
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  Speaker 4: stick to them. So we have our own traditions, even
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  Speaker 4: though we're small, little unit.
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  Speaker 1: So when I interview people, I do like a really
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  Speaker 1: deep dive and then I try to like figure out
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  Speaker 1: what makes them tick. And I had so much fun
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  Speaker 1: deep diving into your businesses and your philanthropy. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that struck me was I read a
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  Speaker 1: book from Margaret Bisnow who interviewed sixty entrepreneurs, and she
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  Speaker 1: said that basically the through line that all of them
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  Speaker 1: had in call was they had one person and it
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  Speaker 1: was typically their mother that believed in them, and you
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  Speaker 1: just had this wild self belief. From what I understand,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't really have anyone looking at you and saying
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  Speaker 1: you can do anything you want to do.
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  Speaker 2: I believe in you.
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  Speaker 1: I think that self belief is like something that everyone
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  Speaker 1: is trying to harness.
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  Speaker 2: I want to understand where that came from.
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  Speaker 5: That's so true.
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  Speaker 4: I have that, and I see people gravitate towards it.
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  Speaker 4: And not until this age do I realize that people
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  Speaker 4: you know that are wealthy, that are good looking, that
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  Speaker 4: have like everything, but I see people gravitating towards that,
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  Speaker 4: and it's almost like they want to take my light.
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  Speaker 4: It's not intentional, it's just that like they are lacking something.
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  Speaker 4: And I've now realized people are want to be around
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  Speaker 4: me and are almost addicted to it because they want it.
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  Speaker 4: They want to be near it, they want some part
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 5: It makes it feel.
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  Speaker 4: But then I don't think about how I feel. And
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  Speaker 4: what's weird is I'm in a little bit of a
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  Speaker 4: fixer or I am attracted to people that are super
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  Speaker 4: needy and want that. But that's not necessarily good for me.
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  Speaker 4: So this self believe in where it comes from, I think,
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  Speaker 4: I mean Gaga said it best. I think I was
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  Speaker 4: born that way. I mean my mother was extremely competitive
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  Speaker 4: with me and jealous of me, and would say like
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  Speaker 4: I want your life, or I gave up everything because
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  Speaker 4: of you. I did things I didn't want to do
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  Speaker 4: for you, you know, all that stuff that she said,
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  Speaker 4: like I was married, man, I didn't want to because
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: of you. I got abused because of you. But all
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: that stuff, I still think fundamentally she did love me,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: and she did think that I had something special, but
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: it was very, very fleeting glimpses. So I don't know
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: if that could count, but I think it maybe mattered
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: to me. A lot of kids were abused, they like
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: cling on to like the very little thing.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the hell. I think.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I was an only child, and I just think it
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: was my inside me. I just think I was born
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: with it. I think I just thought I had it
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: from a kid. I wanted to, you know, I used
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: to look in the phone books and wanted to be
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: like like an actress and take someone, take me somewhere
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: to be something, but no one would take me anywhere.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: My mother, I don't even know if it was true.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: She told me she had been She told me when
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I was older, like maybe seven or eight, that I
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: had been offered a Disney contract when I was a kid,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: but she turned it down.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: It was torture. It was like torment. Her telling me
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: that was torture because it was like, wait, why didn't
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: you know?
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: And I just always thought I was supposed to be something,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: so like her not taking that meant that like she
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: took my chance away, and her never taking me into
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: the city, be begging her to like take me to
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: some appointment or some like modeling, acting anything. I was like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: no one's giving me the opportunity to do anything. So
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: it's crazy. Like my daughter, you know, she gets offers
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: for contracts for things because yes, it's ultimately because of me.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's beautiful and she's sweet, and everyone says
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: despite this life that she has, she has this essence
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: and the sweetness and she's great. But I'm saying, like
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: the opportunities are because of me, and.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Good, go get it. Who cares?
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: So it's shocking to me like that I was begging
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: for scraps.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I have so many things I want to reply. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: don't what you said. First of all, I saw you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: at the Woman of Worth gala in La last month,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: and I saw that thing in person. Actually, I was
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like a voy year of people sort of wanting that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: light and I don't There was a lot of people
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that were famous there.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: It's not the fame.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: There is this gena sequa that I think people glob
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: onto because.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I didn't have I was I was not in a
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: good place that night.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I was in a I had something going on personally,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: so I was like a little off. So I wasn't
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: that social. It's very funny. I wasn't like alive, but
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: that's interesting.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: But yes, I saw people come up to your table.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I saw how people reacted after you got off stage.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: That's nice.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Recently, for the first time, there was a girl I hope,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know her name, and she didn't want to
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: take a picture, which is very unusual. And she was
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: at a restaurant called me La, and she came up
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: twice because she didn't get to say everything she wanted to say.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: But the last thing she said to me the first time,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: she said, you are very very love.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: I mean I'm gonna cry. She said, you are loved.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: You are very loved, And it was like, no one's
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: ever said that to me, like a fan for sure,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, maybe like some motivational speakers
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: said it to like people, but no one's ever said
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: that to me. And it was wild because in that moment,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: it was last week, it was art Bausal weekend. It
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: was at this restaurant. I was at the bar, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I was like, interesting, like that's got to be what
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: this is all about, Like being loved by strangers. I
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: mean a lot of people do that, you know, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I'm extremely insular. I have very few friends I don't
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm honestly dispassionate. I care about the
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: people I care about, and like I care about also
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: strangers and like do relief work.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: But like in the middle, it's like I'm not you know.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: That touchy feely about people that I'm not like that
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: good friends with.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: It's like you're in and you're out. I'm super like that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: So anyway, that hit me her saying that, why did
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: it hit you? Because it made me realized like someone
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: would gravitate towards this life, who hasn't who didn't receive
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: the love they're supposed to receive as a child. And
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: sometimes when my daughter doesn't want it or doesn't want,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: you know, the camera or the thing, I'm always like
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: shocked because it's like, wait, was a kid, I was
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: so desperate for something right because I wasn't getting anything,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: and she's getting so much. She's beloved by me, by all,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: she just has a good community around her, so it's
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: just like it makes sense.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So I always feel like at twenty five, I kind
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: of woke up. And I'm still having these like mini
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: wake ups all the time, but that was the age
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that I really sort of awakened. And I remember being
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: on a call this guy that I was dating, maybe
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it was like twenty eight, and he was negotiating a
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: multi million dollar contract and it was the first time
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I'd ever been a fly on the wall hearing any
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of that, and I thought, oh my god, that is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: so much money. I could never, Like I could never.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And then as I started just listening more, I was like,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I definitely could do that. This isn't even that much money.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Like just being around it and hearing it helped me
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: realize I could. What was your wake up moment when
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you realized that the possibility of it.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: The most defining moment of my business life was on
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: the cover of Forbes magazine.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Why because it was insane, Like it was crazy.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: It was like what, Like nothing made it seem real
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: before that, Like the fastest growing like a brand in
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: history didn't make it seem real. Being a breakout star
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: on the show in my brain, having this whole chess
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: board that I sort of thought was gonna be. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: knew i'd have a spinoff. I knew I'd have this,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I knew they'd come to me. I wanted me to
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: do a talk show, Like I knew my book would
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: be success like all that stuff. I mean, I can't
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: say I knew the first book, but like I don't know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: just things just like glide Through. I never really have
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: a plan that stopped me dead in my tracks, Like
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: what the fuck? And I was like at the very
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: end of it, like at the ninety ninth I think
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Chloe Kardashian I were at the very bottom of it,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: like by the skin of our teeth. And I didn't
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: feel Emperor Has No Clothes because it meant a lot
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: to because I was the first one to monetize reality TV,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to turn a brand before the Kardashian's like they followed
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: my model because they had the same agent, and so
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Kim did Madori after me, and they integrated sears into
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: the show after me and all that, And obviously there's
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: so many of them, and they're much more wealthy, successful, powerful,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: and they're insanely you know, beautiful and whatever. I'm just saying,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: like I was the first one. I wasn't just being
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: rich on TV, and I wasn't just like getting facials
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: and the diamonds. I was like I had something. I
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: was going somewhere, and so that, like that showed that entertainment,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the entertainment industry had changed. Actresses used to be pissed
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: off at people like Kim Kardashian or myself or other
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: people because why were we taking airtime? Now you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: actresses are dinosaurs in most cases. You know, it's like
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: it's the upside down, and actresses do reality shows. So
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: it just was a moment in time that said, this
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: is the new normal now. And now there are many
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: new normals and I've been part of them too. And
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: it's not even intentional. It's never intentional. It's just like
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I happened to wander into these rooms. But I wasn't
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: like planning anything. I wasn't planning any liquor brand. I
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: wasn't planning anything. I just made a drink. I just
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: keep going. So that was like, but that that showed
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: me that unintentionally, like the mister Magoo that I can be,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I was like, not only in the right room, I
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: was like I was the room I created the everybody
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: was asking for liquor deals. No celebrity would hold alcohol.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: There were three people so Rock, Sammy Hagar and Dan Akord.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: It wasn't like a big thing like George Clooney and
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Ryan Reynolds and all these people. They came after me
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: because their representatives were like, we want a deal for
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: these guys. Like look what she did. That was the
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: hollywooded reporter. That was Forbes. Everyone can deny. It doesn't
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: matter what they say. Everyone in the liquor industry knows
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: what happened. That's what happened.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: It made it mainstream.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Was Forbes a legitimacy thing also because I think like
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the public wants to trivialize reality stars, even Kim Kardashian.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Right, No, it was a street it was a street
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: cred thing and so was turning the brand. But I
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: had this plant tag on me. I decided I didn't
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: want to do the deal. I was emotional about it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: It was my brand, it was my baby. I had
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: never made one dollar on it, and I didn't even
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: understand what those numbers meant. It was like just weird.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: But I sold it because I wanted to sold only
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: the cocktails, not the rest of the brand, because I
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: wanted the control of the intellectual property on my own.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I learned that I didn't even know what the word
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: intellectual property meant. When they came to buy the brand,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I learned quick. So I wanted to own the intellectual
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: property so I had the power and the control to
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: do in other categories.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: And I wanted the street cred I had.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I just knew instinctively that if I if I sold
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: this and turned something, that then all the other categories
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: would have so much street credit and people would want
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: to do businessman Then in Forbes put the stamp on
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: it and really gave the street cred.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: And it's so long ago.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: It's just why is arimez different than the artist formally
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: knows channel? It just is It's called Forbes magazine. It's
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: the cover period the end. It's in songs, you know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: So I did it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I got there by the skin of my teeth, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: they can never take it away.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons you're so good on
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: reality TV is you know how to play to your audience.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And I think read the room better than almost anyone
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I've seen on television. How much of your TikTok is
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: reading the virtual room, and how much of it is you.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I happened to be really good at reality TV, like
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: you said, like I.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Was born for that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that was even a genre, that was
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: even a thing. I didn't know what I was going into.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't know the Apprentice was different than the Housewives
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: like I thought. I didn't know reality TV has so
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: many different flavors and varieties.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You also make it not cringe.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know how, because I literally don't watch reality TV,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: but I watched people on social media talk about reality TV.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: So they're talking about what's going on in the.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives of New York, which has literally three hundred
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: thousand viewers. When I left the first no and I
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: left this first time, we had over three million viewers.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: And I went down to one point six and I
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: came back and I went back to three and then
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I you know, during the like Heather Carol Kristin Era,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: that was when it went down to like one six
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: and I came back. It came up on my show
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: that show is just from what people are saying and
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: from the clips, insufferable because the people are just they
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: think the audience is stupid like that. This is like
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: a manufactured production, you know. So I don't have the
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: capability to lie to I don't I was in a
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: miserable marriage, and why.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Did I have to share that with the audience.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I could have just coasted through like everybody else does
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: for years on reality TV, and that's been off. Why
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: because there's like a fraudulence that I feel in any
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: type of like someone thinking I have this life that's
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: great and it's not actually also because it could help people,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: and it's vile to watch all these housewives on all
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: of them, you know, Beverly Hills, Salt. I don't watch Salt,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: like I just know, like again the clips and what
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I see, everybody pretends they have the greatest life and
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: the greatest marriage and they're so rich. Then you see
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: somebody killing themselves with a suitcase. Somebody's got fake bags,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: somebody's got a fake life. Somebody's marriage is falling apart,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: like it doesn't happen overnight, but everyone's fronting and stunting.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: And that the Beverly Hills Show can can hold that
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: because they have the real estate porn and you know
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: the backdrop of wealth, which is like a great character.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: New York didn't have that because you had small apartments.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: So they're not the same price as the houses in
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Beverly Hills, but it's just the real estate. It's more
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: expensive per square but and I would never like do
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: that to that audience. I made that decision very early.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: It's just like, this is what it is, like we're
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: being honest. We're doing it or not. And that's how
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: I do everything. So I remember producers. I remember the
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: male and female producer telling me I was gonna get
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: on my bed and I was gonna when I was
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: getting married, and I was gonna have the big dress
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: spru splain out just like Carrie Bradshaw. And I literally said,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: and I said this for years after and say it, now,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: how about we do real I'm not fucking laying out
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: on a bed in a studio par with a big
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: giant What are you talking about? That's not real? It
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: turns me off, It makes my skin crawl. And that's
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: what that show is. That's what they do. That's what
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: happened during the Heather Kristen Carroll era when I was
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: at Durinda's walking downstairs and being like, why is everyone
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: in Glam We're in a fucking house up in the
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: cat in the Berkshires.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: What are we doing?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Cause I came back after three seasons and I used
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: to I used to, like Badger and Andy, like why
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: is everyone? Why is everybody in Glam? Why is Kristin
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: wearing two different shoes? Why is every day people paying
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: more attention to what they look like than just like
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: be who they are.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I had to kind.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Of get into it. Otherwise you look like a train wreck.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Otherwise you were Denise Richard's trying to be real walking
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: out on the balcony with people in ball gowns in
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: a closed scene. They're not going anywhere. So that's when
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: it all jumped the shark and became you know, not real.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: And everyone's like got forty seven diamond bobby pins and
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: weird hairstyles looking like spaceships, and Lisa Renna becomes Erica Jane.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: I'm like, what's going on? She used to wear sheath
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: dresses with the same haircut every scene. Now she's like,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: you know, but everyone's allowed to change and evolve and
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: be in a costume.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: They're on television. Do what you want. It doesn't always work.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: It worked for the Lisa Renna's and the Erica's in
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: the costumes, because that's where it doesn't work.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: For New York. It's just a gritty city that it
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: didn't work. So I don't do any of that shit.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: And it was a long answer because it draws men
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: to a question about is that me on TikTok? It's
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: the same thing it is. People like, why don't you
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: get back on TV? I'm like, I am on TV.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: This is it. You're watching the show?
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Is it just a yeah? You know you're producing yourself.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I mean for you to like talk about fake designer persons,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen anybody and like, everybody
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: does it except for You're the only one.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Just talking about it and making it funny.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, full on. I have purses that are from
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: that are twenty dollars that I glued product triangles to
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: show everyone how ridiculous a nylon bag is.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: By the way, I have all the expensive shit.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I sold fifty air mess bags in the last year.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I will not tell you what they're worth because I
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: have no followers and I could buy a house, but
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I kept special pieces. It's all fronting and shunting. It's
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: all a flex, it's all an insecurity. I literally I am
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: wearing Peter Rabbit pajamas under my Hello Kittie sweater.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: There was twenty Where did it come from?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you for dressing up for me?
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: It was five dollars.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: It's from Marshalls. It was from Marshalls, five dollars. I've
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: saved it since last year to wear it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: It does.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: It's ill fitting, but I just thought, why not do
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: this today? So yeah, but it's also an age thing.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: But I think it's a great example for younger people,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: like I don't want these girls wasting all their money
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: on stupid shit, and you know, being so into key
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: and the flex and just the camera focusing on the
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: bag sitting in the middle of the thing, and yes,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: they're probably fake, and who cares.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Do what you want to do. We're fake, we're real.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Buy it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: It could be an investment. Nobody's paying my rent. Arimez
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: is I sold out air Mez, lip Boil. I don't
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: see them sending me over any lip products. I don't
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Chanelle's not doing anything for me. Two hundred and fifty
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: million views, trolling them and it keeps going. It does
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: that they're not paying my rent. I don't care. Let Arimez, Chanelle.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Anybody thinks to me, I could buy my own shit.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I don't borrow.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: It's so stupid. The Big flex and insecurity.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Were you purging things because you were kind of like
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you had sort of a transformative here. I would say, I.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Think I've been bored and you fill you can fill
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: a hole avoid with stuff and it's just something to do.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: And also truthfully not air Mez. But like this accidental
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: influencer era has reduced my the importance placed on stuff.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Oh why because Cadillacs.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: And Broncos are like dropped off on your drive? So
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: like what do I I don't need, like I could
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: get anything I want anytime I want, don't have to
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: keep anything. I give everything away. I give gifts every day,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: all day to people to everybody like I just I'm
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: constantly giving shit away. I don't want anything. I have
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: very little makeup in my own drawer. I do have
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of I do have many bags because that
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: is always, and I have a lot of jewelry that's
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: really those and watches. Those are the categories. But other
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: than that, I don't really shop for clothes that much.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I don't really shop for phues that much. I don't
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: really care about all this stuff that much.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: What's with the accidental influencer, Because I know you said
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you didn't mean to be in a room or meet somebody,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: but you are very thoughtful and strategic, Like I have
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a hard time believing that you didn't sit down and
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna like, I'm gonna go into beauty influencing
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: or I'm gonna like kind of rebrand.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: You're gonna have the.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Hardest time you want. I didn't even know there was
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: a room in beauty. I didn't know a world of
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: YouTube and tutorials. I wanted to learn how to do
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: my own makeup. As an aside, two things were going
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: on at the same time. I always sucked at social media.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I don't stand like look at me and the bathing suit.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: I was early to do it because I was told
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: to do it, late to understand it, because it cringed
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: me to see, like, look how good I look. Let
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: me take a picture of myself. Let me take a selfie.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: That was such a crazy concept when I first heard it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Let me tell people where I'm having lunch. And then
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: I even remember on Instagram, like you just posted, but
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: I wasn't good at it. I'd look at other people's
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: it was so like filtered and perfect and edited and
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: like looked good, and I just didn't know how to
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: do it. So I just did it, but I like
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: didn't have probably the followers I should have and the
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: views because I just it just wasn't inspired.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: I just didn't understand it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: And I wanted how to hire different people and talk
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: to different people, and like no one could do it
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: for me, and write captions for me. No one can
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: write for me, and so like it just I just
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: always was frustrated by not being able to do it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: And then I was I had left Reality TV. I
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: was doing this podcast, but like I had left HSN
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: had left a bunch of things. Was sort of like
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: kind of like wanting to move towards retirement. I was
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: in a relationship and I had no worries financially. For
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: the most part, I just didn't want to like be
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: on this rollercoaster anymore. And it was the pandemic. But
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: later in it that I had a delay because I
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: am a homebody. I don't like to go out, so
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: I sort of just still now I feel like I'm
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: in the pandemic.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: It's just like I have to.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: I've been very social lately because I've really tried same
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: with social media, like I've tried to be social. So
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I sat down and I never know how to do
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: things myself. Gary Vee had told me before Charlie Dmilio.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And the other one Addison Ray.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah right.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: He said to me, you should be on TikTok and
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: this is where things are happening. And my social girl
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: that worked for me in Bok Brooklyn, I said to her,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: I want to do this and how do I get
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: in this?
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: And I thought, like could other people post for me?
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: I didn't understand the model, so I thought, like, is
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: it like Instagram or something where other people could take
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: a video and they post it, which technically they could,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: but it's going to be uninspired. You have to like
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: do it yourself. And I'm not going to tech or anything.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: I don't even know how to download apps or anything
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: or like anything. Wow, the social person said to me,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: it's for eight to eleven year old.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: It's trends. It's not for you.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Had I only gotten in then, can you imagine, like
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: and my daughter was doing the dances, but I thought
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: it's all dancing, and like, I don't copy people, so
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I don't understand trends. And I was so stupid that
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: I didn't even I'm so intimidated to even turn it
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: on or look and I had to put it on
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: my phone and look at it. It's like I have
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: an aversion to things like that. I won't even look
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: at it. So years later I had people trying to
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: post me different things and it was doing fine. It's fine.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I think I didn't have many followers. And then I
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: don't know why. I just like turned it on and
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: like figured out how to just like record and like
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: just post it. It was bad lighting. There was a
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: light on ahead of me. There was this much room.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I thought I had discovered America by just like going
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: in my door. And I don't know why I talked
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: about like cover girl versus other things. It was just
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: like fucking around because the other goal that I had
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: had was to learn how to do my own makeup.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: So I started watching these videos just to learn how
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: to do my makeup. And I was like, wait, all
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: these people were talking about. I didn't understand algorithms, so
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that I was seeing all these videos
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: because I had like watched two videos, so like I
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: only saw the glow the snatch, like everything, and I
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: thought this is all people are talking about. I didn't understand,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: like there's a world of like Tune of Fish somewhere else,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: but I was like in this world and I thought
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: it was all real. I didn't know anybody had I
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: didn't know there were filters on the phone. I didn't
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: know people had filters.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't know they knew had edit.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that like the snatch looked real, not
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: because the product was magic, because of the thing. I thought,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: like all my products from years ago are shit and
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: technology is so crazy, like people are snatched and look
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: like this. But I didn't realize that they were lying lying.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: So I bought everything. I bought like fifty thousand dollars
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: with a stuff in a year. I just like bought everything.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Everybody said to me was whatever, and I would talk
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: about it, Oh my god, and it just exploded. I
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: exploded early, like I think the Cree. I think exploded
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: early because people like, what the fuck is she doing?
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Like why is she doing that? It was like weird.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: The fifty grand was a good investment.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I was reading that your first year, I think you
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: made like three point two million just from the ad deals.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: I don't remember.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I guess that was two and a half years ago,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: and that was a lot many millions ago, because I
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: make a lot of money doing a lot of different things.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: But the fifty gram was over the course of the year.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: It completely was accidental. I didn't even know this was
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: a space. I didn't even know people were doing the
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: reviews or any of the shit.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't know any of it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: And it's a there's a whole way in which I
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: do things. It is a whole, absolutely new model that.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: No one else is doing.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: I know this because I know that agencies are calling
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: me to try to mind me for information. So I
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: don't gate keep products, but I gate keep what's going on.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Behind the scenes over here because it's some crazy shit
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: and one day it'll be a big book, but it's nuts.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: You seem to have a knack for understanding the matrix.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Once you get it and you figure out all the inefficiencies.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: I unintentionally understand where to go, but I don't know
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: what it's called, like I didn't, like I said, I
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: didn't know what licensing or equity was when I was
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: doing my deal, so somebody to explain.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: But then I was like, I want to do that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: I didn't know it untilual property was until the day
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: someone came to offer me money for my brand. I
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: asked my friend what to do, and he said, who
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: owns the IP? I said, what is that? So I
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: didn't understand that there was a makeup room. I didn't
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: understand there was an algorithm. I didn't understand there was
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: a whole world of brand businesses and that this is
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: the future. I didn't understand that TV was the dinosaur.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: And I listened to all these people that are trying
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: to clamor to get on, like Bravo and E and
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I'm laughing because they're going into bedrock.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with a car.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: That has no engine or bottom and they're using their feet,
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: but they don't get it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: It's like trying to get into retailers. It's like, just
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: get on TikTok shop.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Well, it's insane.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: And so I realize that a lot of people are
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: in the Poseidon Adventure the boat when it's upside down
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: and they're going they're trying to go to the top
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: of the boat.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: They don't realize the boats upside down.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: They got to go to the bottom.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: And so people that are really smart, like gary Ve,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: they're doing very well because they know what the future
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: is and they're doing all this research. And I don't
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: do all this reacharch. I just know after talking to
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: them and listening to them that I accidentally have been
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: walking in the direction of what they're doing. But I'm
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: calling it something different because I didn't know. I don't
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: plan like that. I don't say, oh ai, let's get
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: into ai, like that's a concept until I feel it
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: in my cells.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: I don't even understand how that's going to affect me.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: So that was the same thing with social media, like
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: I was like, what do I I want to be
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: part of it, but I have to feel it. You
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: can't just like decide to be an entrepreneur or decide
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: to be good at something like that, Like it doesn't
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: work like that. And that's the same thing with reality GIVE.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: It's what they're doing wrong. You can't just decide you're
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: going to be like a good reality TV person. It's
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: like be real, who are you? Actually?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Just be you?
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: But you may not know who you are. And that's
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: why it's very hard. You get in your head. You
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: see cameras and you want to be who you think
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: people want you to be, or who you think they're
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: going to like, you don't know who you really are.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I think that was the entire j LO movie documentary
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: stuff that happened online is like kids have gotten really
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: smart and we were all watching this unhealed person.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Well, I did a TikTok on that that became a
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: big Instagram and got millions of views. At the same time,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: I said to myself, when Blake Lively and Jennifer Lopez
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: are getting canceled and I'm walking in Paris Fashion Week,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: we've hit the upside down. So what I said was
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: and what is true is uh And I know they
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: saw the videos, and I know their teams, and I
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: know you know basically.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: And you really don't give up. I love it zero zero.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Well, no, I mean that the very that very week,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: one of those people's teams like blew me off at
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: an event that I went to, like like cause I'm not,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not, I don't get well, certainly, yeah, because they're
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: much bigger than I am obviously, well, but I never
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: there's never any sort of like, and nothing's personal, like
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: I've sat down and talked about like when I talk
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: about products, products aren't people like people aren't products, Like
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: you could have a great product and people don't like you,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Like it's the products the product, but the eye shadows good.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it's good if the skim socks are good.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: I'm saying they're good because they are good, Like they're great,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: so and so is Harry Shadow, even though I don't
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: think it did.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Well because of the price.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: So I said that that week that what happened with
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Blake Lively and Jennifer Lopez was they have these teams
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: that are from another generation of celebrity. It's called crafted, sculpted, glossed.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Here are the talking points. Tell the interviewer, don't ask
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: anything different, go down, do what you're told full glam,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: full makeup, full beat, full outfit, and like, this is
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: what you're doing.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: You are a star. And they were the second iteration.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: The first iteration was Hollywood Starlit's born from a studio.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: They each were owned by a studio and they were
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: studio property and they went out as dolls like they
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: were pushed out from MGM, et cetera. So this was
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: like the next version of that. And this has worked
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: for a really long time. And someone like Blake Lively,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: whose entire brand is perfection and blondness and like the
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: outfit and you know, just adored and Jalo who's like
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: gorgeous and snatched to perfection and everything is taken three
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: hours to do, but it's like it lands every time,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: like this is what works. They are Juggernaut celebrities and
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: it works. So you stick Lake live on a carpet
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: because of people like me. Her team has said, we've
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: got to deal with you for your drink, and we've
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: got to deal with you for your hair. And we've
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: got fifty pounds of shit. We have a five pound bag.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: We're gonna stuff it all in. You're walking down that carpet,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: doesn't Matterf're talking about domestic violence. You're gonna fucking say
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: all the points that all the partners that we've forged
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: you out to do want you to say in this
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: one experience. Because you don't go out that much and
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: you've got kids, you live in the suburbs, and you've
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: got your makeup on it, you've got your major outfit
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: on so what the fuck are you gonna talk about.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: You're gonna go out there and you're gonna do it
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: all because you owe everybody now, and then you go
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: out and you do that. But the people it's not
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: or smart, the citizens, journalists, the people, the girls, the
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: girls who have no money either. Girl, they're all watching
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: like wait, what this is it? Because you can't control
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: it anymore because it's social media. It can't just be
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: in a box where you're only seeing it on television.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: So now it's like out there and they're like, wait,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: what alcohol at a domestic violince? Wait, you're talking about
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: your hair product and Flora's for spring. We're talking about
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: some an abusive relations. So that didn't land.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: But I have a question about that because when I
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: saw j Low promote her new album and say like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: if you buy it, I'll send you like my new poster.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, is this nineteen ninety six?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Like who is marketing here? And I think that same
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: thing happened with Blake Lively. But what I didn't understand
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: about that situation is Ryan Reynolds. I think, I don't
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: want to misquote the number, but like his marketing agency
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: is worth fourteen billion or something. It's worth so much money,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and so how does heen Like aren't they having pillow talk?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Doesn't he know about it?
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: But take it to the next level?
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Did it really matter? I don't know.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: I know that their cocktail brands aren't doing well. We're
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: talking about Jennifer Lopez and Blake Lively, but like they're
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: very successful. I'm sure they've made I don't know what
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: the hair did a lot. I mean, there was a
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: foundation on TikTok that was so bad that someone hated
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: so much that people hate bought it, like you know
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: what I mean. I actually tasted Harry Hamlin's tomato sauce.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Was shocked and actually upset visibly because I was expecting
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: to make pasta and like talk about it and have
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: a little dinner and it was it was not edible.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: And I think that people will hate by it to
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: be out of curiosity. I'll make end up making that
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: money and they'll reformulate because there's no discussion as to
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: whether it was good or not.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: I had ten people tasted.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: It's like the game moved too fast, so I don't
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: know what the sales were, because sometimes bad is good
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: the upside down, you know. So with Jennifer, what I
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: think happened with her was similar but different but different
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: distribution products. Is that she decided to launch all this
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: stuff at once that nobody asked for at the same time.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: So it was a documentary about her love life or
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: her relationship like her her relationship to love right, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: then she doubled down and decided to make a documentary
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: and the making of that when that hadn't been successful.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: So how would you make a documentary on the thing
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: about the thing? You don't know if that's been successful,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: So you're making you made a failed documentary about a
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: failed original product.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: But again, people probably hate watch.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: So she probably made the money back, right, but it
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: wasn't good for her personal image and certainly I'm sure
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: it wasn't good for her ego. And also at the
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: same time, announcing a tour an album, a relationship, a
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: relationship documentary, and a documentary about the relationship documentary, whilst
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: never really revealing anything about yourself, Like it was like
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: blue balls, Like we got so close. I was like, okay,
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: she about Like I was like, she about to talk
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: about like, you know, because her not being in makeup,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I thought was very big for her and her being
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: vulnerable about people not being invited. I thought it was
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: very big for her. I thought, wait, she's she's getting close.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: But it was just the tip and to see how
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: it feels. It felt good, but that we needed that,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: and that's the point.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: Though.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: It's terrifying if you've lived a life of being manufactured
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: to then be real and it doesn't always land. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: don't think people want to see Kim Kardashian with that makeup.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I really don't for one second. Like you're trapped in
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: the corner of perfection and then you've got to worry
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: about aging, and then you're gonna have to like crazy
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: glue yourself together like the movie and now play Death
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Becomes Her where you've got to keep the perfection up.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: But like it.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Doesn't work, you know, I guess, I mean, I saw
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Jane fondas she looks great, but like how you look
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: can't be your whole life. It doesn't work. It doesn't
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: work anymore, it really doesn't. So I think that they
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: were an example about twenty twenty four, but I don't
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: know that it's hurt them financially because it might have
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: all sold that. I don't know that that data.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: But it was awkward.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if money is their barometer anymore. To me,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: it feels like it's it's ego.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not when you've been so beloved for anything
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: you do, But that's the people's fault for like idolizing
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: and making people into perfection and then getting mad and
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: then wanting them wanting to.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: Take them down.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: There's a cycle of that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: I think Jennifer Lopez took a beat down for being
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: who she's always been, like perfect, you know. I mean
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I think, like, yeah, she's been unlucky in love, that's
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: been who she's always been. Like now people are going
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: to be mad at her about that, like she's a
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: d vaul, like she's fucking Jennifer Lopez. And people are
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: acting like she has no talent, like maybe she doesn't
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: sing her songs.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: Who cares.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: She's very talented. Like I've seen her show. She dances
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: like really great, she gives it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I always felt like it was courageous that she would
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: get out of bad relationships.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Because it shows like we failed again. I mean that's
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: my life.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and it's like is it even failure, Like
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: it's kind of just like this is life. Yeah, when
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: people I could make fun of a lot of other
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: things that she does, but I think when we're talking
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: about following your heart or your instincts, I respect it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: She's looking for the love, and I understand why she
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: did all her relationships. Her mark Anthony is my ex husband.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: I fully understand why she would be with a Rod.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I went out with a like, I get it, there's
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: a you know, and then they had the It looked
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: so good together, right, and you know, their backgrounds being
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: similar and the two kids like that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: And sometimes you live in the light of what it
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: looks like.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: They wanted to be like the Latin jay Z and
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: beyond her.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and sometimes it looks great to the outset and
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: you end up living that could take you a while.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Many couples stay for twenty years just based on all
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: their friends and the lifestyle, not the life. That's an
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: example probably of people living trying to create a life
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: out of a lifestyle. And I fully understand her being
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: with Ben the first time and the last time, like
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: that's like a high school your high school relationship, and
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: like then wanted to chase the dragon.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, it all makes sense. Everyone does it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sixty percent of relationships end up in divorce.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I love when you talk about relationships on TikTok. I
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: know everybody comes for the makeup and the hilarity and
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the chicken salad. I come for the advice for the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: twenty and thirty year olds. You talk a lot about
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: money dynamics in relationships.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I've heard you say, whoever has the gold rules, she.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: Or he who makes the gold makes the rules.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Facts makes the rules.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I have one that my girlfriend taught me, and it's
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: if you marry for money, you pay for the rest
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: of your life. I said that, you said it too, Yeah,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I said that it's a great phrase. Yeah, of course,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I've been living by that for years. I'm wondering why
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you discuss this topic in particular. Is it something that
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: you felt or dealt with in your twenties and thirties, like,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: why is it on your heart?
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: I know you're talking about the money aspect or the
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: whole thing, the.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Whole thing, the money aspect.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've many reasons for that. Number One, I
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: know a lot about dating and relationships. I am very
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: good at it, and I have talked to and work
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: with different matchmakers, and I am markedly They don't really
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: bring anything to the table that people can't do themselves.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Like honestly, I've seen it, like the people can't do
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: themselves having to do the work with setups and apps
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: and things like that. But I have always had very
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: good game because I don't place a tremendous emphasis on looks.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not vain, and I think that's everyone's going the
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: wrong direction of putting the primary focus on looks. They matter,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: and it's important that you take care of yourself, but
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: they're not the primary focus once you like lock someone in.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: And I may not have been great.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: At either choosing or staying or sustaining, but I've always
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: been very good at being able to quote unquote get
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: the guy or you know, even people who hate me
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: will say that I've had good games. So I know
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: about the topic a lot and I know about the dynamic.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: And also so I've been in many, many relationships and
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: all different types and shapes and sizes, and so I
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: talk about the money in a relationship because yes, if
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: you marry for money, you pay the rest of your life.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean money isn't a massive character in a relationship.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: And it really really.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Is, because if you are the breadwinner, it will come
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: out eventually and the other person will feel inferior or
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: powerless or emasculated some way. If you as the woman,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: we can pretend we're all feminists and it's twenty twenty four.
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Men define themselves by what they do for a living
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: and providing, and that is just the dynamic. I've seen
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: it too many times. There are exceptions, but there's it
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: always seeps out in another way. The power struggle comes
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: out in another way, they're justifying that they're home with
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: the kids, that they're the many. It comes out and
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: some power struggle and then and it can be like
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: almost abusive because people feel resentful and the woman is
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: always the then overcompensating, trying to make them feel better
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: and give them a cookie and do this dynamic where
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: we both put money in the bank accounts.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Then we have a credit card, so then.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: He can pull out the bill, pull out the credit
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: card and pay the bill. Even though it's my money.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: It always comes up okay. Or the guy becomes a
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: big player, or he's sleeping with the younger women, or
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: he's out buying ferraris, or it comes out okay. And
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: even if the woman comes from family money, then there's
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: a dynamic too, so it doesn't have to be if
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: it's fifty shades of rich and both people are rich.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I've had a situation where I've been with people where
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: they have more money and I make more money, and
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: that can be very challenging for men because in the
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: day to day they're watching they're with a girl who
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: has less than them, and they're feeling like the man
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: good about themselves, provider found on chest. Then they're with me,
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: and no matter what. Because men think about their own
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: careers and being providers and define themselves by what they're doing,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: they start to get in their own head about how
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: busy they are, and it becomes this silent competition.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: It's not intentional. It's a mirror.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: If you're next to your friend and she's thriving and surviving.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Let's say she's dating amazing guys. Let's say you think
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: you're smarter and better looking. You're going to think about
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: what she's doing and why it's working for her. So
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: men are going to think that that's happened to me
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: a lot. So and someone gets a chip on their shoulder, well,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: I you know, I'm not not a billionaire, like they
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: start saying that. Then you have a way that you live.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: People say that they don't want to go to hotels
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: because they don't want to be away and have it
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: be less nice than at home. Okay, so now you're
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: going away with someone and they don't have the money
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: you have, and they don't roll the way you do,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: and you don't want to emasculate them by paying and
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: make them feel bad about themselves, and you don't want
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: to be weird about like how you So now you're
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: going to stay in the shittiest room where you don't
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: normally stay because you're trying to make them feel better
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: and don't want them to feel insecure about it. Or
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: you're going to go secretly buy stuff for yourself because
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: you don't want it just comes out. It comes out
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: the way you're eating. I've been out and been worried
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: about like what I'm ordering and what they're thinking of it.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I was at CVS with a guy and we were
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: checking out and it was like one hundred and something
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: dollars and I was having a panic attack, like wanting
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: him to just not stand there so I could just
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: quickly pay. Like it's anxiety producing. It's not like being
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: a gold digger. It's kind of just dynamics of like
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: how you live day to day life at a certain age.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: But I'm seeing a wave now of girls at every
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: not a wave. Women really have their hands out and
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: are entitled. They think because they have some eyelashes and
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: some extensions that they're bringing something to the table. Every
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: girl has eyelashes and extensions except for me, that they
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: have eyelashes and extensions, and that like this is gonna
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: get it done. This gets you a drink, like that
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: the guy's gonna want to like support your lifestyle and
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: get you dental work and tips for the rest of
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: your life. Like that's not gonna work. Like it's not
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: it anymore. And men are so hip to the jib
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: they now know about all the gold digging is going
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: on everywhere, and they're very heightened and they're very paranoid.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: And it's also why I do so well in dating,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: because one of the things is I could get the
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: richest guy in the world. He's gonna know, he knows.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: That's a big marketing aspect. She doesn't need your money.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Interesting they'll come running and throw presents at you because
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: they know you don't.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Need if One last question for you.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Paris Fashion Week this year, you were asked to walk
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: the runway for Lorel Paris and you came back and
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I saw in real time your post. You were tearful
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: on social media and I haven't often seen you like that,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: and at the end you said, maybe I am worthy.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I was sort of surprised by that.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering what made you feel like that was the
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: moment that maybe you were finally worthy. I do think
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: worth is everybody's journey in life, but I guess I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: misinterpreted because you have so much strength.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I never really thought about that for you.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: I always think about Kathy Griffriend's life the d List
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Show because I just sort of always am there. I'm
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: always there's always me not getting into Shanelle or I'm
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: always spilling something and it's funny and it's self deprecating,
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: but there's always some vibe about that that I that
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: I feel in some ways I don't really care and
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: nobody really has anything I want and we're all like
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: it's all gravy. But because of the people, like because
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: of the situation where I did go to that Blake
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Levy premiere and somebody on the inner circle that I
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: know treated me definitely right there than they have weeks before.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: When I'm like the funny one on TikTok, they treat
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: me a little better then, And because of j Lo
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: treating me a certain way in certain situations. It's why
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: thinking of twenty twenty four and the universe meeting me
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: where I'm at in just being like, let's just fucking
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: be honest, okay. So there are moments like that that
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: make you think. And then when you're asked to come
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: to Laurel Paris vascial weeks. So what I thought it
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: was was I was going to be doing some show
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: like that you see, like on the West Side Highway,
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: like in somewhere I wasn't. I don't pay attention and
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: I only sweat the small stuff. So I didn't know
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: what we were doing. I knew were going to Paris.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: I knew Laura I was sending me in one person.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: I paid to bring like four additional people. I wanted
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: my daughter to come. It became an experience for all
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: of us. It became Danielle who works at me, trying
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: caviar for the first time, Jason trying truffles, like it
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: became a little miss Sunshine. We're all in the van,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: and I'm that girl who's the girl, the main girl,
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: like Olive, who wasn't really supposed to be in that
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: page and that's a worth it thing, Like she wasn't
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: really I mean, let's be hon but she wasn't supposed
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: to be in that pageant, and neither was that friggin
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: van with the door coming off. So if you haven't
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: seen the movie, it's an amazing movie. But it's about
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: a girl who's going and for some reason they let
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: her in this pageant and she doesn't look like the
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: rest of them with the blonde, curly hair on the
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: outfit and I'm in pajamas half the time, and so
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: like I'm not as you know, like some days I'll
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: look good it I'd be like I look like a supermodel, right,
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: I've got game. I'm good. I'll take any model down
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: with dating guys. I don't mind that, but like, I'm
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: not a supermodel. So they ask us, and I'm like,
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: fuck it, we're bringing everybody. I'm spending whatever I spent
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: twenty five thousand threat to bring everybody by them. We
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: did the whole thing and take them to do it all.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: And so we got there and I was like, what
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: the fuck? And then the woman who was like be
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: you know, escorting me and like so nice to me.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize she's the HBIC for a global brand
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: that's forty five billion dollars. So I wasn't thinking about
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: the modeling. I'm a business bitch. So I was there.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck the HBIIC that like
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Anna Wintour takes her phone calls on one ring, Like,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about the main bitch, which is Delphine Global
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Global Laurel forty five billion dollars. Yeah, I'm talking about
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: the HBIC of all the HBIC is running that the
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: number one bety brand in the world. Who I didn't
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: know who she was and I was just joking with
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: her and laughing with her, and she's like, oh my god,
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: thank you so much for what you did for the
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: midnight cream. And I don't know who I'm talking to,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my god, I mean I could
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: have brushed my teeth and put makeup on. And she's like,
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: oh my god in French accent, we love what you did.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: And I'm talking to her for three days. I don't
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: realize who she is, and the other girls are dying
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: because I'm talking to Anna Wintour effectively because she's a
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: that's a powerful bitch.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: So now I'm like, wait what, And then I'm finding
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: out how.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: Much how much skincare I moved, like because skincare is
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: their biggest thing at Loriol And then I'm like, what's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: one of the biggest what's the biggest product this year?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: And they're like Loreal midnight Cream, which I found in
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: the back of a shelf, like a dead product that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: I just tried and just honestly reviewed in pajamas from
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: literally a Japaname sweatshirt from TJ. So I'm like getting
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: all this stuff from these different people talking I'm like what.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: So now I'm in Paris and I'm seeing like what
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: it had to cost twenty five million dollars, like millions
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: of dollars they spent on the show, like like streets
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: closed off in Landmark Paris, Landmarks, the La Pera, Like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: what what do you mean? I'm walking in this and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing like big signs like in the Eva Longoria
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: and these ambassadors for years, and I'm getting like the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: ground swell. I'm like what And then I get there
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? What
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: are you talking about? Like everybody was Madonna? It happened
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: to me years ago at a party, but this is
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: like different because I'm in this and I'm like wait what,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: like what like just next to you, like Kylie Jenner's
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: just hugging this one, and it's Eva Longoria and it's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Annie and it's Tidy Klume and it's everybody is an
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: international supermodel, hundreds of people and we're just lining up
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: and like Carkarra Delevan.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Is like you go girl.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: I mean I was a Jane Fonda and I'm just
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: like Evel Longery's like, oh my god, I'm obsessed with you.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: You made me drink coffee differently, and I'm like, what's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: going on and we're there for two days and every
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: my my girl who works with me, Emily Kan, who
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: was doing social she's exasperated. She's on the floor, she's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: hyperventila and she's like, oh, what's going on? Oh my god.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: And it kept happening, but it was like normal. It
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: became normal, and we were all like, what with the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: fuck is going on?
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  Speaker 5: We thought it was so big.
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  Speaker 4: And then there were other people, other people that were
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: acting like this happens all the time because they are
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: so insecure that they have to like be jaded, where
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: I was like in the moment at every part of it.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Same way I was on the first day of the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: Apprentice when everybody on the Apprentice was like, Oh my god,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: they're gonna make so much money on us, and I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: was like, these people were begging like beggars to get
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: this job. At the day that they're there, they act
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: like they belong too much. So I never thought I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: belonged because it was insane. I couldn't believe it. So
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: this the hbiic stood on stage and she told us
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  Speaker 4: walk like do you walk how you want? Do what
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  Speaker 4: you want. I didn't think about the shop. I like
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: the shoes, I never practiced them. They were giant giraffe shoes.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: I didn't think the thing through. I didn't even care.
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  Speaker 5: It was just so fun.
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  Speaker 4: She said, do what you want to do, be what
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: you want to be.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: So I just went out there and it was insane.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: People screaming in the street, thousands of people screaming like
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: how could you not cry?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: How could you not be?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: Like I am word?
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  Speaker 5: What the fuck?
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: It was insane. I was out of my league, out
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: of my element.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: It was nuts.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Did it shift anything for you moving forward?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Did you take that energy with you?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Because to me, that woman that came up to you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: in the restaurant and said you are so loved it
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: is that same feeling.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: No, because I had to, of course get beaten down
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: about the way that I walked when the hbi C
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: told me how to walk, So I always have to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: come back and like be Chanelle. It was it's always,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: it's always gonna be Chanelle. So it was, yeah, you
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: did it. You walked with a maze in the dress.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: You did what the what the fucking HBIC running the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: forty five billion dollar company told you to do? But
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: they're like, oh, why did you walk that way? Because
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: people are fucking ass. But it was like, then what
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: did I have to do? Do what I did at
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: Chanel turn it into two hundred and fifty million views,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: get more pressed than any of the big people that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: were there, literally more than any of them. Not on purpose,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: because I'm just defending myself and be like I did
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: with the HBIC. He told me to do and I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: liked it and I looked good. But you know, so
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: then that was every press article like you know what
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: I mean. Like, so then it's circular reference. That's why
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: they had me be there because I wasn't perfect, you know.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: So yeah, no, it's always gonna be. If I if
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: I had like next year for that thing, I won't
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: be a psychopath. That's like weeping in the back of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: a taxi. I will know a little what I'm walking into,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: but there'll be another thing that's insane. Have you seen
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: Gladiator the movie? Mm hmm, yeah, of course.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: You know when they say when the crowd win the Emperor, Yeah,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: that's your life, that is my life.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: That exactly why when Lisa texted me upset about the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: Harry and I'm not like I don't hang out with her,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: I know her about the Harry sauce and she's like,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: you know it, it wasn't kind. I'm like, it was honest,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: it was an unkind.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: I was truly pained. But what am I gonna do now?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna only be I'm.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Kissing the celebrities ass and you send me sauce. I'm
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: supposed to only the unspoken contractor do you send me sauce?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: I'm supposed to only say positive things about it? This
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: is the deal. No, what are you talking like? Then
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna diss the small brand. She has no money
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: and she's bootstrapping it and sent me product. I'm gonna
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: say hers sucks when it sucks, but I'm gonna say
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: yours because you're famous and you were like what, no,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: you send.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: It over here. It's getting reviewed.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Also, i'd never heard of the sauce before you posted,
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  Speaker 1: so it's maybe a thing.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: No, one hundred percent, So thank you. Yeah, no one
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: knows about the sauce, and now everybody knows about the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: sauce because she'll have to reformulate.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. You're so much fun.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: And I didn't get to say this during the interview,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: but I think be strong. Is your legacy. I'm so
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: impressed by what you do.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: Thank you. I appreciate that very much.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: day to have a good day. I'll see you next
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: week