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Has feminism destroyed women? | Rantzerker 245 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Coming to you live from deep within a rainy but
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  Speaker 1: with rant Zurker number two forty five. Rant Zirker number
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  Speaker 1: two forty five. Feminisms Destroyed Women, Women most defected? Actually
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  Speaker 1: the title has has has feminism destroyed Women? I am
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  Speaker 1: your host, Alison, for this most interesting of topics, and
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  Speaker 1: with me is the inaffable Karen Strawn and girl writes what?
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  Speaker 1: And also the indefagable Do you pronounce it that way?
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  Speaker 2: It's all. It's also unaffable, which means humorless, which is true,
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  Speaker 2: and also ineffable, which is an unique indefagable. Indeed, me, me,
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  Speaker 2: you got mine, both of mine wrong? Both well, you said,
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  Speaker 2: you said inaffable. It's ineffable means unique. Unaffable means ineffable
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  Speaker 2: means humorless.
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  Speaker 1: The too too too rare, too too rare to be destroyed,
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  Speaker 1: too strange to die Karen Strawn and otherwise girl whites what?
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  Speaker 2: And and eternally patient and.
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  Speaker 1: Eternally patient, internally patient. Okay, all right, saying in the membrane.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where that came from.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So we are going to be covering a diary of
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  Speaker 1: a CEO debate between non feminist women and anti feminist
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  Speaker 1: women on of course women, because women, well, who.
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  Speaker 2: Cares how feminism affected men?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly who cares. What matters is how everything affects women,
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  Speaker 1: because nothing really has a moral or social valance until
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  Speaker 1: we know how it affects women, all right. And before
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, do you guys need me to set up this
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  Speaker 3: video we're looking at because I checked out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian. Brian is the one who chose this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I found this discussion going on on the interwebs
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  Speaker 3: and it's on a channel called the Diary of a CEO,
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  Speaker 3: which is a pretty big channel eleven and a half
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  Speaker 3: million subscribers. And this gentleman here is the guy who
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  Speaker 3: runs the channel, and he brought together three women to
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  Speaker 3: discuss basically a state of everything, the post sexual revolution,
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  Speaker 3: women in the workforce, families, children, the male loneliness epidemic, etc.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a really good thing that he
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  Speaker 3: brought these people on to talk about it, because it
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  Speaker 3: means the conversation is happening. But who are the three
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  Speaker 3: women he brought on? So I thought I would give
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  Speaker 3: you guys a little bit of a short and dirty
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  Speaker 3: of what we're looking at here. So first you have
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  Speaker 3: Deborah Francis White who is a London based Australian comedian, author,
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  Speaker 3: screenwriter and podcaster. She is known for a podcast called
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  Speaker 3: The Guilty Feminist Podcast, which has garner over ninety million
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  Speaker 3: downloads and explores modern intersectional feminism with humor and insight.
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  Speaker 3: She also hosts Global Pillage, a comedy panel show blending
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  Speaker 3: intersectional feminism and politics. I'm sure it's hilarious. And she
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  Speaker 3: also recently appeared on triggeronometry and like that became a
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  Speaker 3: very contentious episode.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's one. I think I know who that is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll recognize her when she wears glasses, well shoulder
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  Speaker 3: length hair glasses. And then you got Louise Perry, who
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  Speaker 3: has been quite vocal, quite a vocal critic of the
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  Speaker 3: sort of like you know, the consequences of the sexual Revolution.
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  Speaker 3: She is a British journalist, author and podcast host based
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  Speaker 3: in London, known for her work as a features writer
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  Speaker 3: for The Daily Mail and a columnist at The New Statesman.
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  Speaker 3: She's the author of the best selling book The Case
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  Speaker 3: Against the Sexual Revolution, A New Guide to Sex in
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  Speaker 3: the twenty first Century, which critiques the negative consequences of
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  Speaker 3: liberal feminism and the sexual Revolution, drawing from her experience
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  Speaker 3: working in a rape crisis center. And lastly, we have
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  Speaker 3: Erica Kommissar, who's a New York City based clinical social worker, psychoanalyst, parent, coach,
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  Speaker 3: and author with over thirty years of experience in private practice.
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  Speaker 3: She specializes in treating depression, anxiety, eating disorders, and compulsive behaviors,
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  Speaker 3: helping individuals achieve personal and professional goals through a rational
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  Speaker 3: psychoanalytic approach. Commissar is the author of a book called
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  Speaker 3: Being There While Prioritizing Motherhood in the First Three Years Matters,
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  Speaker 3: which emphasizes the importance of maternal presence for a child's
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  Speaker 3: early emotional development, and Chicken Little The Sky Isn't Falling,
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  Speaker 3: Raising Resilient Adolescents in the New Age of Anxiety, a
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  Speaker 3: guide for parents on fostering adolescent mental health. So these
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  Speaker 3: are the three women that were brought fourth to talk
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  Speaker 3: about these topics. And we have a bunch of time codes.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought, because this is like a two and
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  Speaker 3: a half hour long what.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into it, it's stuck on Karen and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and Karen, could you move a little bit to I
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  Speaker 1: think towards the back of your sofa just like about
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  Speaker 1: six inches and yeah, it got stuck on Karen while
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  Speaker 1: you were talking. Now it seems to be oscillating between
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  Speaker 1: all three of us sort of randomly. I wonder.
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  Speaker 2: My side. I did eat a heavy side.
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  Speaker 1: But you didn't die for like five minutes, So I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a there might be a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a small technical issue. And uh, but sorry to interrupt,
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  Speaker 1: but I just figured we'd all right.
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  Speaker 3: I can switch between them manually if the audio cues
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  Speaker 3: aren't working for the macros, So yeah, just do that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if I need to, I'll just keep an
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  Speaker 3: eye on it. But I was just reading.
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  Speaker 1: I'll keep you. I'll bump it too.
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  Speaker 2: I'll well, the.
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  Speaker 3: Problem, Allison is that when if you're watching the stream live,
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing it several seconds after I said it, so
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  Speaker 3: like you're late.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, okay, so I have to like.
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  Speaker 3: Keep mynd I'll just keep my eye on a thing.
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  Speaker 3: So all right, So anyway, we got several time codes
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  Speaker 3: we can look at, and they're in different sections. Because
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  Speaker 3: it's like, this is a two and a half hour
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  Speaker 3: long conversation. You could do a series on this one.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think that it's worth going into because
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  Speaker 3: unlike crazy bedroom feminists that have grown up and they're
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  Speaker 3: just yelling at the sky, these people are you know,
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  Speaker 3: like supposedly like they've written books, like they're like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: big on it. Yeah, they are. They are at least
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  Speaker 3: tangentially related to the machine. And this is in my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: at least a slightly more elevated conversation. So that's why
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  Speaker 3: I'm interested. So anyway, we're in the control.
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  Speaker 1: Room of the femosphere or they have more access.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I think that Luis Perry, for example, is still kind
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  Speaker 3: of she's still kind of an odd woman out because
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  Speaker 3: even though she is a feminist, still she's kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of those bad feminists that's not doing
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  Speaker 3: it right. So anyway, so we have a couple of
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  Speaker 3: different sections they talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 3: Let me give you the intro so you guys can
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  Speaker 3: get a sense of like the tone of this and
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  Speaker 3: it's a it's a short little you know coming up
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  Speaker 3: in this video kind of what do you call that?
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  Speaker 3: A sizzle thing? So here we go.
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  Speaker 5: The feminism movement didn't unite women, it's split women.
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  Speaker 6: I feel totally late.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, fifty percent of young women don't want to have children.
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  Speaker 5: They're really preoccupied with making money and materialism.
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  Speaker 6: But we're still looking at a society that is increasingly
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  Speaker 6: telling women where they could do better.
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  Speaker 7: But sometimes feminism expected women to be prioritized and both
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  Speaker 7: sexes want the privileges about the responsibilities.
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  Speaker 5: Can I just sad we are producing women and men
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  Speaker 5: who are and I'll tell you what I mean by that.
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  Speaker 5: It'll be an interesting discussion.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So that you guys. So that's like what it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be like in terms of the tone. So
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  Speaker 3: there's a section where they talk about the sexual revolution,
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  Speaker 3: what is the sexual revolution and their feelings on it.
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  Speaker 3: There's one where they talk about autonomy, freedom and agency
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  Speaker 3: as a byproduct of the sexual revolution. There's a converse
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  Speaker 3: station about hookup culture and casual sex, and then there's
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  Speaker 3: a conversation about monogamy, then the age of marriage, which
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  Speaker 3: has been increasing over time, the emotional consequences of sex.
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  Speaker 3: Feminists typically have had trauma. There's a section called that
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  Speaker 3: which is interesting, and there's also a bit on the
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  Speaker 3: manisphere and trad wives.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I just have I just have a question
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  Speaker 2: from that very very brief little intro snippet or pre
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  Speaker 2: intro is uh teaser. Why do women have to be united?
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  Speaker 2: I mean united in what? United in patriotism, patriotism, united
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  Speaker 2: in the church, united in you know, love for family,
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  Speaker 2: in united it within a set of moral values, united
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  Speaker 2: within just united united united women. Like that just implies, okay,
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  Speaker 2: united for what, united against what? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's a good If they're not united,
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  Speaker 3: it means the men might get them, so they have
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  Speaker 3: to be. That's kind of like what it is, right,
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  Speaker 3: the specter of the patriarchy is ever present.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but men, the the alleged patriarchy is anything but united.
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  Speaker 2: Men are not united because they don't have united within
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  Speaker 2: certain contexts like okay, when it comes time to fight
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  Speaker 2: for your women and children, right for your country from
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  Speaker 2: you know, being invaded, and even then they're not united.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, Like that's when they're respected to unite. But
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  Speaker 2: that's I mean, like for me to take a stab
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  Speaker 2: at it. Unite against men?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, against men. Yeah, it's unite against men. But also
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  Speaker 1: it is unite because our value is in our solidarity
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that we're female. But we don't want
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  Speaker 1: to accept the consequences of tying our value to our femaleness,
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  Speaker 1: which is reducing how much value we take are from
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  Speaker 1: our actions as individuals, which means less achievement overall, less
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  Speaker 1: capability of doing things, less ability to be cooperative in
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  Speaker 1: a goal orientated stence. So simultaneous with wanting this solidarity
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  Speaker 1: and the benefits of being valued purely for being female,
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  Speaker 1: you also want the benefits of not being valued purely
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  Speaker 1: for being female, which you can't have both. But I
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  Speaker 1: think it's I think it's that it's it's insecurity. They don't.
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  Speaker 1: The women who say things like we all need to
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  Speaker 1: be united in solidarity are insecure about who they are
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  Speaker 1: as people, and they lean heavily all of.
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  Speaker 2: That or they want they want they want to they
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  Speaker 2: want to be like, okay, so women need to be united.
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  Speaker 2: They all need to think exactly the way I do
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  Speaker 2: and act exactly the way I do, right, And it's
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  Speaker 2: like yeah, no, okay, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like there is something, you know, there is
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  Speaker 2: something to the religions that have survived right over time,
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  Speaker 2: and the ability of those religions to unite over like
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  Speaker 2: over the course of hundreds of years or thousands of years,
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  Speaker 2: right to unite people. Yeah, but they all have a book, right,
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  Speaker 2: they all have a foundational text that you can refer
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  Speaker 2: back to. It's not just you know this whole ooh.
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  Speaker 2: It was first wave feminism, and then it was second
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  Speaker 2: wave feminism, and then third wave femine, which is totally different,
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  Speaker 2: and then it's fourth wave feminism, which is like super transpositive,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And I'm just like, okay, you change your ideology.
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  Speaker 2: You change your ideology like a girl changes clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Mm yeah, okay, shall we get into the actual time code?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So yeah, so I guess it depends on what, uh,
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  Speaker 3: what interests you guys the most in terms of where
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  Speaker 3: they go with it, and if you want to make
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  Speaker 3: this like a series, because there's a lot in here.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that it's worse your own adventure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Like do you want that you want to
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  Speaker 3: you want to have the conversation about the sexual revolution?
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to have the conversation about hookup culture?
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to have the conversation of uh, you
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  Speaker 3: know this idea that feminists typically that had trauma, you know, let's.
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  Speaker 2: See let's see how hookup culture hurts women.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go. Let's go to casual sex and hook Up Culture.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do one thing before we start. I'll start
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  Speaker 3: playing the clip, but I think I'm going to change
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  Speaker 3: the layout in the vertical because right now it's just
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  Speaker 3: because there's so many screens I have to like reduce,
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to replace myself with Karen for her
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  Speaker 3: reaction instead.
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  Speaker 8: Add to that before we jump in there. Despite the
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  Speaker 8: general decline in sex, especially amongst younger people, societal acceptance
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  Speaker 8: of casual sex has grown quite rapidly. In the UK.
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  Speaker 8: Approval of casual sex whereas from just ten percent in
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  Speaker 8: nineteen ninety nine to forty.
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  Speaker 6: Culture. Yeah, so when you say rules and structure, Eric Carr,
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  Speaker 6: I'm really interested in that turn of phrase because of
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  Speaker 6: course children need rules and structure, but women aren't children, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Compared to what adults, and you try to talk like adults.
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  Speaker 2: But in your heart of hearts, you're the oldest teenager
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  Speaker 2: in the house, if you're lucky, if you if you're mature.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's yeah, that's fine, let's find out.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think it's worth getting a sense of
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  Speaker 3: like where these women are at, and even the guy
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  Speaker 3: who hosts the show, and then.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna then they're gonna come in guarantee you and
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  Speaker 2: talk about the rules and the structures that need to
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  Speaker 2: be applied to men when they participate in hookup culture. Right,
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  Speaker 2: because men should have rules and and guidelines and restrictions
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  Speaker 2: and regulations applied to them and their behavior. Right, or
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  Speaker 2: you get kicked out, kicked out of school, or go
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  Speaker 2: to jail. Okay, But women shouldn't have any rules or
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  Speaker 2: structures applied to them. No, they can just do whatever
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  Speaker 2: the fuck they want because they're like harmless little bunny
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  Speaker 2: rabbits who could never hurt anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the power differential is between child and adult, with
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  Speaker 1: men being the adults and women being the children. She says,
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  Speaker 1: women are not children, but let us treat them legally
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  Speaker 1: as such in relation to men, but not give men
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  Speaker 1: the authority they need to control their fucking children. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is well, let's let's see, let's see what she
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  Speaker 1: actually says, because I'm not sure this is the feminist.
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  Speaker 1: It might be a non feminist.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe this is this is a non feminist okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The other the one who's like, well, women are adults. Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 2: anti feminism is the radical notion that women are adults. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: or could be if they choose to right. Feminism is
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  Speaker 2: the is the perpetual infantilization of the female. Yes, or
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  Speaker 2: the or the uh? The the.
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  Speaker 1: Woman faced, the woman face.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those in wearing woman face. Okay, all right, I'm
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  Speaker 2: playing more children too.
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  Speaker 5: From a psychoanalyst's perspective, there is a child in everyone,
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  Speaker 5: of course.
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  Speaker 6: But I think when we're talking about rules and grown women,
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  Speaker 6: we are really really in dangerous water because we are
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  Speaker 6: looking at society that is increasingly closing down on women
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  Speaker 6: and telling women where they could do better, be better.
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  Speaker 6: If we're looking at an extreme example, we're looking at
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  Speaker 6: Iran in nineteen seventies and women in parliament and women
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  Speaker 6: walking around is part of the sexual revolution in miniskirts
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  Speaker 6: and having a wonderful time. And then you're looking at
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  Speaker 6: women in Iran. Now you're looking at women in Afghanistan. Now,
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  Speaker 6: women Afghanistan now have rules and have structure. They can't
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  Speaker 6: stand near a window, they can't leave the house without
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  Speaker 6: a man, they can't use they can't use their voice
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  Speaker 6: in public, they can't sing like all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I'm just I'm just pausing there because she's just
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  Speaker 3: she goes on and on. She's very she uses a
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  Speaker 3: lot of sophistry, and you know, they talk about what
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  Speaker 3: are the problems with the sexual revolution in the United States,
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  Speaker 3: and she goes iran, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, like okay, so uh, it's very
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  Speaker 2: dangerous territory to say that any rules apply to women.
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  Speaker 1: Hm.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's in terms in terms of their sexuality, right, Like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: there are rules that apply to men, right, Men can
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  Speaker 2: be can end up on a sex offenders list for Okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not so much these days in places like fucking California, right,
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  Speaker 2: but h for urinating in public mm hmmm, because they're
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  Speaker 2: exposing their sexual oregon to other people where other people
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  Speaker 2: can see it. Right, those were the rules before everybody
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  Speaker 2: went fucking insane about laying hot carls on the fucking
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  Speaker 2: sidewalk because hey, you know, you can't be expected to
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  Speaker 2: take your poo to the loop m right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in San Francisco or some of these other freaking liberal cities,
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  Speaker 2: including all over British Columbia and all over Ontario, in
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  Speaker 2: these major urban centers where it's just like they're closing
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  Speaker 2: down fucking beaches because the water's infested with E. Coli
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  Speaker 2: because there's too many people shitting on the beach. Mmm
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  Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And I'm like, okay, so where were we ten, fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: twenty years ago? We were like, yeah, if you actually
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  Speaker 2: pulled your pants down in public as a man, you
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  Speaker 2: got to rest for a sexual offense, even if not
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  Speaker 2: just to take it, even if it was just to
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  Speaker 2: take a ship. Yeah, if you were a woman, it
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  Speaker 2: was like no, b right, you know, like you might
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: get you might get a like a citation from a
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: by law officer or something, right, but but you weren't
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: gonna get on any kind of registry like no, and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: and and they'd give you talking to about how that's
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: dangerous to you. Yeah right, yeah, you know, like who knows,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: who knows what kind of men are around here, who
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: might think that you're giving them a signal about, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: wanting to be graped, you know. Okay, like this whole
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: idea that rules should not apply to women, Okay, Yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: we can have reasonable rules that apply to everybody. Nobody
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: gets to sexually expose themselves in public, okay, which means
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Spear Airlines is well within its rights okay to bar
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: women walking on their freaking planes. Okay, Because this was
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: a new thing that just came up. They're now enforcing
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a dress code so that you can't wear short so
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: short that your meat curtains are hanging out your freaking
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: short legs.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, and you can't wear tops so low cut that
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: your nipples are poking out the top okay.
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: Like, and then all these women are wondering, well, why
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: are they only applying It doesn't because men already have
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: these rules applied to them unless they're gay.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think grey men really well, they don't.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Push they don't. They pushed their luck at Pride, yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: But they don't push their luck elsewhere.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: On the airplane, right, like, yeah, they're generally not like well,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's getting worse and worse all the time,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: but yeah, but yeah, no, it's like, it's just interesting.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because ultimately, this argument that she's made comes
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: down to women shouldn't have standards or rules applied to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: them because Afghanistan.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: M you know, even one rule, even one rule?
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: The reason can you when you come to when you
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: come to work at the family restaurant, okay, to wait tables,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you can't wear bondage boots and a top cut so
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: low that your lacey bra pokes over the top of
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: your neckline, right with big cutouts in the side to
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: show off your figure all the way down to your
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: skirt that doesn't pass the finger test where it's not
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: longer than your fingertips when you hold your hands at
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: your sides and your aprons longer than your skirt. Right, Yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you can't dress like that to wait tables in a
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: family restaurant and all of the women are like, well,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: why are you singling us?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So there are women aren't doing this, right, you're the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: ones doing this. But so she's basically saying no standards
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: for women because Afghanistan. And she's also saying women aren't children,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: but men are held to all kinds. They're all kinds
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of rules, both social and legal, that men are held
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: to because we perceive that their actions have the same
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: have the consequences of an adult. And the reason why
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: she's getting away from with this is that she is
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: leaning into this social perception that women. The consequences of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: women's actions aren't the same, aren't at the same level
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: as the consequences of men's actions. So men's actions have
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the consequences of adult actions. Women's actions have the consequences
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: of children.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Do not drink my.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Water, void cat, that's my water. You got your own water,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: all right. So, I mean, it's just really interesting how
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: they contradict themselves. Ah, women are not children. They should
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: have the freedoms of adults, but not allowed not we
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: shouldn't perceive them as having the consequences of adults and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: hold them to it. So it's like, it's like this
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this disturbing combination.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: It's an eternal life of young offender status.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Young offender status.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, like young offenders, they're they're protected. Their
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: names aren't released because it could you know, even when
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: they're arrested for like murdering somebody or whatever. They we
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: don't release their names ever because you know they're there.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: They might serve some time, but we don't want to
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: ruin their entire future, right by attaching their name to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the crime, right, And and yeah, no, it's it's but
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: they have it even better than young offenders in my opinion. Women.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, well because they got more freedom. Young
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: offenders actually have to the constrained freedom. But yeah, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the thing is that she's basically saying, no, stand well,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: let's just hold women to the same standards as we
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: hold men. Women should be taught not to sexually assault
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: their partners in university, in high school. They should be
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: taken aside and said, your sexuality isn't an infinite gift
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that you give other people, you know, when people do
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: not presume that it is and apply it to men
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: or other women who are unconscious and that kind of thing.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Just treat them like men. Treat them as potential dangerous
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: sexual predators, like men treat them the same way in
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the legal system. Make them take responsibility for their sexuality
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: in the way that men do. Make them take responsibility
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: for the consent of their sexual partners in the way
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that we expect men to. That's it. We don't have
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to do the Afghanistan rules. We can just do the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: equality rules.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Oh and you know, like don't dress like a hussy.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: You know when you get on a plane and you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe men you know, or or just allow men
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: to uh, just have their dicks hanging out like assless chaps,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: right vic hanging out get on the plane. You know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: this reminds me.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Do you do you remember that that slut walk in
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I think Brazil or some Southern American and they're everything
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: hanging out and some dude joins in and let's let's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: let's the lower half fly and and they all go
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. Yeah, because a woman's body that she can
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: expose it in any way that she wants, But the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: instant a man does it, it has to be a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: crime because we have to use that to control him.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember that photo, Like there's like three hundred
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: women all coming after this guy who's like got his
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: pants off.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's and and the thing is that they
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: want to be able to behave in this way consequence free,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: but if a man does it, they want to be
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: able to condemn him as a criminal, They condemn him
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: as socially unacceptable. So they want all kinds Women want
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: all kinds of sexual freedoms for themselves, but will not
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: allow men to have the same kind of freedoms. To
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: be able to walk around in public buck naked with
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: maybe like a I don't know, a ribbon tied around
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the relevant parts and get away with it, and that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: be just perfectly legal. Outside of pride.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: At least, the big leafs were mostly equal in the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Garden of Eden.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so let's.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Go all right, Uh, let's see it's going to play
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the video.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: Anything that says rules to me, I'm immediately like, firstly,
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: our society has plenty of structure. We have a lot
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: of structure. We all have to work to make a.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Living, don't.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: We are all encouraged into monogamous relationships, and there's a
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: feel that you're successful if you find the one and
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: get married and have two point four children. There's so
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: much structure in our lives. There's very little time for
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: relaxation or even considering what we really might want to do.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: What I would be very intrigued to know what you
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: mean by women should have rules?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Should I skip ahead because this kind of goes on
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: for a little while.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you mean by women should have rules? Well,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: women have rules?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you're you're encouraged. You're encouraged to get married
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: and have children. Oh no, oh no, right, And and
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: there's very little encouragement to just go out and waste
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: your money right on getting hand and banging some dude
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: you found on grinder. Oh wait, tender grinder is a
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: gay one.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Grinder is the gay one.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's like, okay, okay, but the thing is
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: The thing is, you know, getting married and having children, right,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: is socially responsible behavior, right, that contributes long term to society. Right,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: even if you're like strictly an environmentalist, right, and you're
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: you're one of these people who's like, well, I don't know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the world's overpopulated and blah blah blah. Okay, well, getting
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: married and having two kids and having four people live
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: in the same house really really really helps the environment.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: That's the one that's the photo. They're so mad.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: My ancestors are smiling on being imperials. Can you say
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: the same.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just the pure hypocrisy of it. It's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a pure hypocrisy of it. Rules for thee and not
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: for me. For these ladies, and that he that is
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the face of a man who's completely owned the self
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: righteous bullshit of a bunch of women.
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: No, they're blowing air horns in his face and ship.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah okay, So anyway, enough of that hero, So should
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: we play more of this? I know she takes a lot. Yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: let's just go what do you mean?
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: So, first of all, I don't agree with you. If
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: I can just say that I don't agree that we
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: are encouraging monogamy. I think we're encouraging polygamy. And I
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: don't mean marriage polygamy, I mean multiple partners. Young people
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: are hooking up. I wrote an article for the Institute
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: for Family Studies on why the statistics on the hookup
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: culture and what it's doing to young people in terms
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: of their mental health. It's causing them to feel more depressed,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: more anxious, more embarrassed, having more regrets, self esteem issues.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: It's got some major implications. And we're talking The statistics
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: say seventy two to eighty two percent seventy two percent
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: of young men and eighty two percent of women young
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: women are feeling depressed and anxious after these casual sexual encounters.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Tinder just pausing for the banana there.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate her. I really appreciate her mentioning men
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: like I really really really do's. She's she's impressed me
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: so far after the teaser. She's she's redeemed herself already.
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: Hmmm.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I care what she has to say now, because yes,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: more more women will have regrets after casual sex than men.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: But it is, you know, like there is there's a gap,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but it's not that big a gap. It's not like
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: it used to be, because casual sex didn't used to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: be something that that men were as able to engage
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: in women were. Women have always been able to engage
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: in casual sex. I mean they could, they could charge
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: men for it, for Christ's sake, so you know, men
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: not so much.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: So I would I.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Would push back on the idea that it's poly polygamy
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that's being pushed. It's is polygony, let's be honest, pologyny, Yeah,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: it's slogony, religony. That's how that's how you say it, religony.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So it's it is one man, multiple women that's being that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: That seems to be the way it all is breaking
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: down at this point.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, eighty percent of women chasing twenty
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: percent of men and then that Yeah, and they're wondering
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: why why no men want none of the men that
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: they've had sex with want to settle down with them.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, because you're going after solid eights
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and you're like a solid six after you put on
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: a ton of makeup, and it's just like yeah, no,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and you can you can be a solid six, right,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: like a solid six in terms of looks and everything.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: If you bring something else to the table, and a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: man who is like you can punch up as a woman, right,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: like that out of your league is a woman, right,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: as long as you bring something else to the table. Yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: something of value to that man.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's true. But what's happening, I
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: think is h and I guess this is the speaks
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: to the fact that the panelists in this Diary of
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the CEO aren't really on the bleeding edge of this.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: What's happening is that women are wanting to get a
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: man to who will commit to them that will make
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: their girlfriends jealous, which means that they by definition have
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to be punching up. But also by definition, they don't
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: have those emotional factors that are going to make them
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: very good partners. Because if you just want a partner
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to make your girlfriends jealous, you're not wife material. You're
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: not partner.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Like basically basically, you know, like if you if you
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: can find somebody and your parents say he's not the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: man I would have picked for you, but I'm not you, right,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And if you love him and if he's good to you, right,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: then he's he's welcome in the family. Blah. Blah blah.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: You know. And but if you can find a man
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: who is like h who appreciates what you have to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: give him above and beyond sex, right, then that's that's excellent.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And you know, for most men, I think even now,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the primary thing that they're looking for isn't earning power
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: in a female partner. It's like that that's not the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: top of their list. It's on the list for a
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: lot of men, in an increasing number of men these days,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: as things get more expensive and the cost of living
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: out paces the the you know, anyone's potential earnings. But
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: but yeah, no, men, men are looking for personality things.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: They're looking for value added things. You know, is she
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: going to help me in my career? Is she going
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to you know, support me in my decisions? Is she
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: going to like be there for me when I have
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a crisis? Right, all of those things and and not
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: be there in a way where it's like, okay, now
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you owe me, but just be there, right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a companion, somebody to batten down the sales when
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you know, the hurricane comes.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, help me. Very biblical, right like that The sort
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: of the role of at least if a woman wants
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to make a good match, a match that she wouldn't
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: have been able to make just on her looks alone. Yeah.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have lately I've seen I'm not
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: sure what to make of it, but I've seen a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: lot of very good looking men, very fit, with somewhat
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: more dumpy shall we say wives partners, And yeah.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Well it's it's because those women have low options and
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and so they actually try to please their men. Yeah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: you know, and they're not gonna they're not going to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: walk out the door at the first sign of trouble,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the first the first time he asked to a COVID
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: pay cut, or like gets laid off, or you know, uh,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: you know, has a health problem.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, that's true, or.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Or look at Pierce Brosnan. He's had the same woman
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: like for a long long time, and I mean, you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: she's kind of like overweight and everything now and he
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: was like James Bond, but he doesn't care. So like,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I think what he sees in her is obviously not
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: what people assume men are looking for and women.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So no, yeah, well I actually in home ass server,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I discovered an interesting comment by a woman. I'm going
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to throw it out. See what you guys think. She
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: essentially said, when when men are looking for or when
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: men raise their standards, what they want is a woman
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: who lowers her standards. And I was thinking about that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: really because it is an interesting comment that when men
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: say or actually specifically what she said was when men
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: talk about a good woman for a really long time,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: because it sounded like a really good critique of the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: way that men approach dating. But then I thought about it,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and it's like, what is the type of woman who
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: lowers so called lowers her standard. It's the type of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: woman who takes more on herself and has less of
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: an expectation of her partner to do X, Y and Z.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: No, No, what it is. I think what she's pointing
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: to is there's a woman who like went on a
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: tirade on TikTok about you know how she's thirty two
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: now or something like that, and she's actually looking to settle,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: and now she's mad at all of her friends and
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: followers and stuff who are telling her not to settle.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And you know she's I don't know, I guess for
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: like a thirty two year old, she's seven, like a
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: seven on the look scale, right, But she's definitely not
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: a ten. And she's like talking about how she's having
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to settle for a seven or maybe even a six,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: and it's like, well, number one, you shouldn't have waited,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have waited till you were thirty two, because if
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you were like twenty five, you probably could have landed
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: yourself a seven or an eight or maybe an eight
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: point five, okay, and you could have nailed him down right,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: locked him in, and you'd be happy now, and you
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have to settle, you wouldn't have to feel like
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: you were settling, and the guy that you married seven
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: years ago would be better looking than the guys that
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: your friends are all scrambling to settle for now or
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: end up with cats, right, okay, but you know, and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: she's but it literally is this situation where you know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: women have women conflate the idea, right, these two things,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: these two two separate things. Who am I capable of fucking?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Who am I capable of forming committed relationship with? As
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: as a six on a good night if he's drunk
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: enough and doesn't have other options, you can fuck a ten?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, uh huh, Right, that doesn't mean he's gonna
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: marry you and having to settle for a six as
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a six, is that settling? Yeah, that's not lowering your standards.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: That means that you were standarding yourself out of the
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: fucking market. Yeah right, But to get better, you were thinking,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: just because I could get laid by a ten every
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: once in a while and maybe an eight like three
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: times a year, right, Okay, just because I could get
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: these guys into my bed for one night with no
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: text message in the morning, that means these are the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: guys who are in my league. No, they're not. They're not.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And having to having to mate laterally as opposed to
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: up does not mean you're settling. It's just how things work, right,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And that's the breakdown of monogamy, right, the breakdown of
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: monogamy and the sexual revolution, the the you know, the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the fact that anybody can have sex and you're not
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: allowed to judge them unless they're a man. And she
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: felt bad afterwards, okay, you know like this, this whole
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: throwing out the rule book on how to pair up
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: means that you have all of these women who have
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: set their sights on unattainable men and they won't settle
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: for anything less than these unattainable men, right, And I'm like,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and then when they have to settle for somebody at
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: their level, they're like, now I'm lowering my standards. M
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: How dare we expect women to lower their I'm sorry,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: there's not enough aides to go around.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And just listening to you and thinking about what
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: she said about how a good men think that a
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: good woman is someone who lowers her standards. I think
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that that's a very entitled approach or a very entitled
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: attitude for a woman to take, because I think what's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: really happen happening is a woman who values a man
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: as a companion will mate. Laterally, they will take a
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: dude who is within her her earnings and looks bracket
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: because they want a companion. And it's it's incredible arrogance
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to say that men who want a woman who value
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: them as a companion are somehow wrong for doing so.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's looking at the situation from a
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: point of incredible privilege, because for the most part, at
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: least up until recently, men valued women as companions. Far
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: more men valued women as companions than apparently women value
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: men as companions. So that it gives women a privilege
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: in the dating landscape that they will most likely find
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a partner who values them as a companion in and
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: of themselves. So anyway, that's my thoughts on it, and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I agree with what you're saying too. So I'm not
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: saying that I'm right and you're wrong. No, maybe I am, Karen,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I'm right and you're wrong.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, guys, super, I got a superchowd here, so cool. Yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna read it. So ZARANX gave us ten dollars.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Thank you XARANX for the superchow and says a request
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: for Karen, please tell me if I'm wrong here. The
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Industrial Revolution separated women from the stoic matriarchs, and the
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: matrons who became de facto princesses, sat in the matriarch
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: seats unearned and developed ideas that they propagated on the
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: maidens coming after them from there. Every subsequent cycle resulted
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: in the forever assembly line of matriarchs like Fay Weldon
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: quote older women don't have children, Feminism is good for
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: young women end quote, matrons like Simone de Beauvoirs and
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: maidens following suit.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, it changed the role of the matriarchs.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Like it okay, because matriarchs have always existed, right, you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: like you had you had you had two heads of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the family, right, the nominal head, the figurehead was the man,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: and he had he had jurisdiction over a lot of
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: different things, right, But the wife, right, she had jurisdiction
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: over a whole bunch of things. And you look at
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of you know, old families, you know, Victorian
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: and earlier. You know, a lot of them were kind
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: of these big extended families that were effectively ruled by
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: the matriarch, right, the grandmother or the great grandmother, who
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: kind of her word was law with everybody, right, so
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: in you know, not with her husband, her husband was
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: usually dead by then, right, but with her sons and
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: her daughters, and her daughters in law and her sons
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: in law and all of you know, everyone generationally. You know,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: like women had a huge role in being in charge
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: of the family. You go into like the Greeks and
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: their oikos, and you know which was this is way
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: back when like a family operated as a business, right,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and women were in charge of a ton of things
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: to do with the household business, right, the business of
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the family, right, including who was allowed to be invited
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: for dinner. Right if she didn't like that salesman or
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: that merchant that you you wanted to do business with it,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: if she didn't like him, he wasn't getting invited for dinner. Right.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: So I mean, like you, it's not necessarily that that
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: there were never matriarchs. It's that the matriarchs changed their tune.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And basically we're like, okay, so now we're against the patriarchs.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Now we don't like the patriarchs, these men that we
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: chose to marry. We resent them, and we hate them,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: and we want our maiden daughters to follow suit right
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and to be husbandless and childless, to hate men and
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: all of that. I think I think it's it's not
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: a matter of women being in charge. I think it's
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: a matter of of the teachings.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: And I have a thought too. Maybe I'll lay it
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: out and you can give your opinion on it. I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: think that he has he's onto something. But it's a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: little bit like when the Industrial Revolution happened and we
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: lost this extended family. I believe that women lost, like
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the matriarchs lost this sense of control over other women.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Or an extended group of other women. And there's there's
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: something interesting that I read about romance fiction, and that
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: is that when you're writing a romance fiction keeps you
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: need to keep something in mind that the male character,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the alpha male, is also the head, generally of a
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: hierarchy of women. So for example, Christian Gray has all
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of his secretaries and the other women who are working
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: for him, and almost seems like he only hires women.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And then you have like the prince to the typical
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: prince or aristocracy, and usually they would have a household,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: like a female housekeeper and all the maids and everything.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: And so the idea is that the female, the female
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: lead in romance isn't just getting this man, she's also
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: becoming the head of a hierarchy of women. And I
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: wonder if the Industrial Revolution and sort of removing that
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: from women's lives left a emotional void which was filled
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: by feminism, because feminism gives feminists almost like an ideological control,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: an authority over other women. Does that make sense? What
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: do you think?
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that the Industrial Revolution did a few things,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: and one of those things was take fathers out of homes. Yeah, right,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: and like not not like take them out of homes
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: in the sense that we think of now with single motherhood,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: but take them out of the home for like eight
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: to twelve to thirteen to fourteen hours a day right
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: where you know, because if you're working at a tannery,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: have you ever smelled a tannery, like an old fashioned
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: tannery where they use like manure to tan the leather, right,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: it's not great, right, And so you didn't live near
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: where you worked, right, you know, the the pollution that
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: was put out by factories and things like that. Right,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: even if you were even if you were lower class,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: you tried to work as far away from home as possible,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: like or live as far away from work as possible
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: because of the pollutants and everything. So I think that
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: had a lot to do with it. And you know,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: like when we were agrarian, the farm was the family.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And even even in terms of professions, right, the profession
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: was the family, or trades, the trade was the family.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: And now it's like once the industrial revolution came along,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: and you know, women got a job here, and the
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: wife got a job here, and the man got a
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: job there, and the kids got jobs because they couldn't
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: afford to go to school, and everybody was working in
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: different places, and they would all come home and spend
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: like an hour together. I think it really it really
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: impacted the families in a negative way. And if you
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: were lucky, right, you were white collar and your wife
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: stayed home and looked after the kids because the kids
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: didn't need to work and to support the family, and
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: but you were still away from the home for like
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours a day. And keep in mind,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: keep in mind, it wasn't it wasn't a five day
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: work week. It was a six or six point five
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: day work week.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's let's do a bit more
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: because I know that you probably have quite a few
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: time codes to get through.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: It's okay if we don't get through them all. I'm
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: not expecting to. But I got a I got another
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: super child that I probably should read from Richard Bierre,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: who gives us five dollars and says, if you use
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: metric conversion, wouldn't an ordinary six and imperial convert to
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: an eight metric? Though unrelated question, will there be a
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: tramboline if the Calgary meet up or not? No, thank
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: you for your input.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: There will only be no trampoline, Richard, there will be
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: no girls jumping on trampolines.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Well, because there's no trampolines, but.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there won't be girls jumping up and down to
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: make their boobs jiggle Richard. No, No, okay.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe to move their limph through their bodies,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you know, because they're old.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Let let's not let's not get into limph here.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: You see a lot of it lately.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: So I understand has an ad that says meet the
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: love of your night. What it does is it takes
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: something so sacred and intimate and it turns it into
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: something not just casual, but it turns it into something irrelevant,
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: unimportant and dangerous.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: If you ask me, should I keep playing or you
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: just agree?
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: No? I agree, dangerous to both parties.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's effects that we're not privy.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: To, or we have different dangers. Right, she could get
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: raped and he could be falsely accused, you know, or
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: he could get raped, you know. Like it's it's like, yeah,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the kidney.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Can get a disease, get a disease.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe not lose a kidney. But this is in China, Allison.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's keep going.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Not yet, any dangerous and it can be physically dangerous.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: If you're having casual sex, you could get a sexually
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: transmitted disease. AIDS is still around. I think in a way,
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: what we've taught our kids and what I encourage the
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: young people that I work with is that experiment with sex,
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: care about the people that you're experimenting with. Find people
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: who care about you and who you can care about,
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: so that structure.
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: Can I just counter about this sort of idyllic option
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: of monogamy. In the United Kingdom, the police receive a
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: domestic abuse related call.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Everything oh good, and yes, you know what I need
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: to get in on this. I need to get in
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: on that. H This is this is the feminist lynchpin.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: This is what they use to destroy monogamy. And this
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: is why the traditionalists, if they do not directly contradict
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: their statistics on domestic violence and sexual assault, will not
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: get nowhere is this is what they use with This
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: is what feminists use to destroy the family. Which is
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: this idea that men husbands are you a unique danger
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: to their wives. That is not the case. And if
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: husbands are a unique danger to their wives, wives are
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: also a unique danger to their husbands. And yet actually,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the reality is that a married couple is least likely
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: to experience crime, least likely to experience depression, least likely
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: to experience poverty. So in all, under all metrics, married
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: women are actually better off than any other group of women.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: And yet feminists will will hang on to the domestic
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: violence stats by their frickin' fingernails, even though if we
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: just look at the stats of male perpetration, most of
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that happens in these vague situation ships as well, or
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: just unmarried partnerships. So but this is what they use.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: This is what they use to drive a wedge between
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the sexes, and this is what they use to destroy
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the concept of marriage. So you have to understand the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: statistics on domestic violence. Now, in the UK, the statistics
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: on domestic violence are not based on randomized anonymous surveys
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: like they are in the US. Their base on crime surveys,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: which is a massive undercount of male victims. They are
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: not accurate, but what's really male perpetrators and female perpetrators.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It will result in a massive undercount of male victims
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: and female perpetrators. But what's really interesting is that feminists
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: like this will not just assert that men are more
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: likely to be violent in marriages. They will assert that
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: men use that violence against women to uphold patriarchy, and
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: then they'll use crime stats to prove it. In the UK,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: and yet crime stats are statistics about what. They're statistics
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: about what our society chooses to spend a god awful
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: amount of money to prevent and to punish, right, and
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: they are using those statistics to support the notion that
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: men are using these crimes in order to maintain patriarchy.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: And so this it's this entire spaghetti ball of nonsense,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: and it's like it's.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Good because our society is patriarchal and that's why it
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: only cares about women's safety.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, women's safety, And so they use all of these
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: statistics and what they're trying to do is destroy the family.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And it's a lie. In the UK, you cannot, you
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: absolutely cannot. When we're dealing with the idea of male
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: victimization in terms of domestic violence and sexual assault, we
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: haven't even conceived of this. It's only been a generation
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: where we've even thought about this seriously, and then suddenly
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: we know what the prevalence is. And even feminists will say,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: while men don't report, and yet in the same breath
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: they'll say, but we know exactly how many male victims
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: there are, that they're definitely less, wary, less, way less,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: they're way less than women. That's nonsense. It's one or
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: the other, one or the other. And the truth is
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: that we have as a society, we have only just
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: begun to start to care about violence against men. We've
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: only begun to start to track it. So there's no
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: way we know how many victims they are relative to women,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: And there are now statistics coming out suggesting that the
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: number of male victims is comparable. So this entire narrative
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: that she's viewing, it's old, it's broken.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: And if this individual is outdated, it was outdated in
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: the early nineties.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: It was outdated in the seventies. Yeah, and they just
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: kept pushing and pushing it. And there's a lot of
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: motivated reasoning in the research on domestic violence and sexual
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: assault by feminists because they're trying to prove that men
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: use these things to uphold patriarchy. So all of this
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: is absolutely corrupted and the end goal seems to be
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: destroy the family. So if you are in a from
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: a conservative or traditionalist position and you're not up to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: date on the actual statistics on domestic violence and sexual assault.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: You are handing feminists the win when it comes to
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the destruction of the family. And that's where that's what
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: she's doing, and this is what they use they use
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: it for. They make husbands a danger to their wives
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: and they're not The safest place, the absolute safest place
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: in the world for a woman is at home with
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: her husband.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Yep, same with kids. Same with kids at home with
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: their father, if there with their mom and dad. Okay,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: all right, biological biological parents.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: She's still fitt, she's still fitting bs. So let's let's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: listen to the police.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: One in four women in England and Wales will experience
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: domestic abuse in her lifetime.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Notice the way she doesn't wait, not just what she's saying,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: but notice the way that she delivers this information, the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: amount of no, no, it's like like she's trying to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: bring the gravitas to this. Okay, let's let's pay attention
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: to the way she does.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, she needs to start channeling some Bill Burr. You know,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm I'm a little bit off right now. Yeah,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: there we go have.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Bad days, yes, yeah, yeah, she meets off green.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's let's keep going.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: On average, nearly two women are killed a week in
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: this country. And I know that America has a similar story, but.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Oh no, nearly two women are killed a week, two
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: women a week.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: That's one hundred and eight. It's a statistical statistical anomaly
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: in a country of what one hundred million, one hundred
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: and fifty.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Million, how many sick? Sixty seventy million, something like that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: in the UK.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is a statistical blip.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And and on top of that, okay, who's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: killing their wives? Is it one of these people?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: It's not all husbands killing their wives?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but is it?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 10: But is it one of these husbands who like cuts
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 10: off his wife's head and walks down the back alley
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 10: with her and with the bloody machete in his hand,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 10: and you know, talking about how she was a uh,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 10: not a.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Hoory but a whore.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: M you know, I guess what you're saying, like what
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: ethnicity is this coming? But regardless, like it is a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: statistical blip, they are making something tiny into something huge. Sorry,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: like somebody has to say it. Yeah, there are more children,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: there are more boys who die from circumcision in a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: year than women who die from their husbands.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about how you say it, because if
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: you say this many in you know, every thirty seconds,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: or this man in a week or in like, it
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: just sounds like, oh my god, happen.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, it's one hundred and four. Again, we're
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: talking about the UK. The feminists are like in the UK,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: the feminists control the statistics completely, like in in the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: US might be bit with Australia. Yeah, there might be
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a distance. So what she's saying
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: to us are statistics that are curated by feminists to
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: create a particular landscape. And still it's one hundred and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: four out of a population of over sixty million. And
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: that includes, by the way, because they don't keep track
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: of it, women killed by other women. And I was
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: actually looking like somebody pointed out the statistics in I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: believe the around the world from the UK, and it's
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: actually pretty close, like it's forty five percent of the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: victims or men sixty or fifty five or women, and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: it usually goes between like sixty forty, so sixty percent
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: of the victims or women forty percent or men of
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: what speusal homage of domestic homicide basically, and that also
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: includes other relatives killing. Oh yeah, So, I mean this
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: entire narrative is wrong, and I'm just I'm not going
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: to apologize this for anymore. This is a statistical blip
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: one hundred and four. Could this be any more meaningless
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: in terms of the overall reality of married women, They're
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: probably more likely to break their head open on a bathtub.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if it saves one life, well, the lie
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: it saves.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: If the lie saves one life, then it's worth it.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: If it strays like twenty million lives, but save life.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: But didn't COVID vaccines teach you anything, Allison. If the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: COVID vaccine keeps one person out of the hospital, one
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: person with COVID out of the hospital, even though it
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: sends four people to the hospital with irreversible heart damage,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: it was worth it.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, but yeah, let's let's keep going.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: That is this is around the world in Australia. It
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: is not an either or. It's not that women were
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: so happy and fulfilled in the nineteen fifties because their
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: husbands would go to work. And I mean watch Madmen,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: which is a you know, it's a sort of research.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Watch mad Man, guys, why do research? Here's a TV show?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 11: Are you?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Are you? I can't believe that this is credible.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: What many books podcast top of it?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Feminism? Feminism constructed this fish a fictional account of the fifties. Yo,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: it's totally accurate. Yeah, adolescent you know the adolescence movie.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: The feminist do a fictional account of a school killing.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: And now it's now it's the truth.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Well, apparently, Dark Holiday. Dark Holiday. According to my doc,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Holliday existed in a weird, quasi supernatural Old West, where
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: like there were vampires and stuff, and there was also
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: this mad scientist who was punished by the supernaturals and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: turned into a potted plant who that could talk. You
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: want to learn about the Wild West? Read those books.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: When feminists lose start losing the academic arguments, they start
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: making the cultural arguments. I think this is a pivot
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: on purpose. Well, well, I know history, here's all of
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: this data. Well, actually this is the way the history was.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: You know what, you should watch a TV show.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: It's not even cultural. You know, there are some cultural
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: artifacts that I will say are accurate right, some of
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: the like the the movies or TV shows or whatever
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: that have been made today, right recently about incidents in
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: the past, right, chernobyl. Anybody who wants to see a
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: giant clusterfuck, a giant clusterfuck unfolding in real time, watch
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: that show, right, that TV series I think it was
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: on Netflix or Paramount or freaking Crave or I forget where. Right,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: amazing series, right, amazing critique of communism and communist structures. Right.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: And anybody who wants to kind of know what World
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: War One and World War Two were like, should watch
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen for World War One and Saving Private Ryan
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: for World War Two. Right, And just just don't necessarily
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: pay attention to the individual plot line, you know, like
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: the actual you know, central plot. Just pay attention to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: everything that's happening in the surrounding scene right in in
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: the on on the ground surrounding everything, and and you'll, okay,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: you can immerse yourself in that, and you can believe
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: that the setting, right is genuine the setting maybe not
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: the details of the story, but the setting itself is
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: what it was actually like. Okay, But mad Men is
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: is is just feminist revisionist history.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you want to know the the the guy
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: that that Don Draper, he wasn't. I mean they they
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: they shock and jib about how oh it was he didn't.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: We didn't model him on the original Draper. I don't
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: remember what his first name. But the fact is that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: that man was an AD executive. But he got married
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: to a fellow AD executive. Do you know that she was?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: She was a she was a working woman. They got married,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: I believe in their late thirties, and he respected her
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: enough that he stopped smoking because of her. Oh yeah,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: the uh Draper Daniels And this his life was completely different.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: He married a woman who was, uh, the the boss
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: lady of her time and an account executive. And they
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: don't even think they had children. So it was a
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: very unconventional marriage by the standards of the time. And
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: they turned that man into Don Draper like and and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: they excuse it by saying, oh, well, he's based on
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: multiple guys and blah blah blah, bullshit.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: They're trying to rewrite history through ourment. A lot of
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: people won't read history books or you know, biographies or
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: accounts or anything like that, but they'll watch a good
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: show for entertainment. And so if that's the message you
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: push out there constantly, then people will absorb it and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: that'll just become their new normal. Like, well, that's I
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: saw mad Men, so I know what the sixties was.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: I mean even people who probably livedic the sixties saw
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: it and thought, yeah, that's that's right. Yeah. So I mean,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: like you, yes, you'll find some you know, media out
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: there that does a piece of historical fiction justice or
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: even like you know, maybe they'll make it a fictional
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: story but have it take place in a real time
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: and do justice to that. But a lot of the time,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: if not most of the time, whenever there's something like that,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: they're trying to twist things, and sometimes they just do
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a turn, a little change, you know,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: and it makes a significant difference because it's a way
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: of rewriting the canon of history, the canon of everything
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: that we've that we have had. And I think that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: that's where a lot of these mythologies come from, is
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: our media. And I think that's why, you know, not
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: to hijack this conversation, but that I think that's why
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: this woman who is the I don't know if you
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: guys can tell but she is the let's say, the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: more the most radical person on the panel, but not
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: by a lot. I know, the other woman is really reasonable,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: but she's still a woman. So there's a lot of
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: agreeableness going on. And that's why she's saying you should
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: you know, she might as well have said wash the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Handmaid's Tale. It predicts the future.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: She might as well have say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: It's literally what life was like back in you know,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: in the fourteen hundreds or some shit.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. So someone was saying the fifties were
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: worse than madmen? What a feminine And these are from
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodriguez. Why if feminists always focus on the fifties
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: sometimes the twenties is like the penultimate or the ultimate
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: expression of male male privilege. Why why did they always
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: give the thirties amiss or the forties or the tens.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know why. I think it.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you get like the Victorian era, you know, but
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: some for some reason, we just skip over the tens
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: for the ultimate expression of male privilege, and then we
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: skip over the thirties for the ultimate expression of male privilege,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: and the forties and we hit on the fifties, and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: somehow nobody ever calls them out on that. Why they're
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: cherry picking history for the ultimate expression of male privilege,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: and they selectively remove certain.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah, all of the over the decades from consideration, all
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 12: of the wars, and all of the Great Depression impression,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 12: and all the lineups of men starving and all of
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 12: the men dying in trenches and all of the very
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 12: obvious in your face demonstrates.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 11: While the women get to live in like in in
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 11: uh in group houses, you know, eating eating like a pittance,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 11: right that the men are out with.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Their little what are those bags on a stick that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: you put over your shoulder. There's out hopping trains trying
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: to find work.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Why why do they always skip those decades? Feminists?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Why do you skip those decades when you're talking about
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the time of great male privilege? Why do you always
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: choose the decades that the few decades where men are
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: actually treated like they have some value. And after having
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: sacrificed massively to maintain society, you know, a massive sacrifice
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: in the forties, and then suddenly men go back and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, these guys did a good thing, and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: we're going to treat them with some value. And then
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: feminists look back and say that was the time, yeah,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: the big celebration.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, and that was yeah. No, it's like okay,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: so Warren Ferrell, he brought up some statistics ages ago. Right.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Then in the nineteen twenties, roughly equal numbers of men
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: and women in America attended post secondary education, and it
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: was often different forms of post secondary education, but they
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: got like college degrees, university degrees, stuff like that, right,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: and and then you know in the in the nineteen fifties,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: that all changed. M why did that change?
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: The GI bill?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: The GI bill? M HM, you could if you'd served
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: your country and you survived, you could get money to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: put it down payment, down payment on a house, or
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: to start a business, or to get an education. Yep.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: So the fifties. Essentially what happened was all the male
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: survivors of the forties got something in the fifties, and
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: feminists hone in on it, like, well, why didn't we
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: why aren't we get fair? That was unfair?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: It was unfair. We volunteered to work in munitions factories.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: We deserve it too, Like oh god.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, did you volunteer. Did you not volunteer and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: get sent out to get shot? Anyway you volunteered, you
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: could have just stayed at home with your parents. Made
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: a big sacrifice.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: We did the roles that we did, the jobs that
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: men usually do.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that was a huge sacrifice.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe the reason why they're always attacking the fifties is
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: because there's something appealing about the fifties and they know
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: that if like it looked appealing. I'm not saying that
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: it is what they claim it is, because I think
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: it's another mythology, but but I think that, like, at
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: least aesthetically, they see it as an appealing thing that
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: too many people saw it as good. They might want
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: to live that way, and that's why they're terrified, because
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: that's why they won't. They won't. They'll choose that specific time,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: you know. So, But anyway, we should listen to more
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: All right, women then and men? And how you know,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: Don Draper would go off into the city, he would
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: have a fulfilling career. There's a long number of women
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: and come home to his wife, who knew he was
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: having affairs, who could sense it?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: All right? All right, right, yeah, we could jump to it.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, isn't she for.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Culture only?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Like Don Draper is hooking, is hooking up with any
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: number of women, then any number of women are hooking
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: up with Don Draper. Okay, So that's hookup culture. Just
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: because it's it's it's there's one guy and multiple women.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make it any different from today. Okay.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: And I know that she's trying to say that this
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: was just for men or something.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Basically, she's trying to say that monogamy it will.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: And he comes to home and his wife pretends she
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: knows it's happening, but she pretends she acts like it doesn't. Yeah,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: you know why, because she knows what side of the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: bread her butter's on. That's why.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: But also like if men did this, this was a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: time where they could get hit by heartbomb laws. It
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: could be jailed for casual sex.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, they could be jailed for heartballm and
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: seduction laws. Yeah. Because so that he was still on
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: the books.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: See even though he, like his wife, might not have
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: had any recourse. Even though there was divorce in the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: fifties and women did get divorces, especially in the forties.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: I learned recently that the rate of divorce as similar
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: in the forties as it was today, except you know,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: there was more marriage, so it wasn't proportionate, but regardless,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: So women could get divorces in that time. But even
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: if Peggy I guess it was, or whoever he was
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: married to, didn't have any recourse, the women he seduced
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: did if they wanted.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know Peggy had recourse too, right, because
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: you know what do you have? Yes, she had to
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: have grounds at the time, right, Well, what are the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: grounds for women infidelity plus some other grounds which could
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: be neglect or cheating or sorry, neglect or abuse or abandonment. Well,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: if he's gone all the time, she's.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Got neglect and abandonment. But here's the thing, Like, there
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: was recourse at the time for women, and also all
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: of the women that he seduced, any one of them
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: could have probably got him on a heart bomb or
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: seduction law.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 12: So what what what?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: This is?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Why you can't just feminists just imagine some fictional scenario,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: apply it to the past and then start saying, well,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: but it was like this, but it wasn't. It wasn't
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, okay, do you want to go to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: a different time code, Brian, it seems.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I can jump ahead to something else. They
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: talk about let's see the pressure of freedom versus traditional expectations.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: So maybe like right about here.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: To be a certain go back a little bit, no
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: young people, And but yeah.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: This is okay, Louise Perry.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: I think there's also an expectation that you're supposed to
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: experiment a bit in the meantime. And it's kind of
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: actually weird to be a version on your wedding night.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: And I think that yes, I mean, girls have to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: try this really difficult tight write. On the one hand,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: they aren't risk of slupshing, but they also risk of
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: being called frigid if there's I mean, they they are
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: much much more at risk actually been called frigid than
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: in previous generations.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: And like, on the one hand, they have to take
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: take the initiative. On the other hand, taking the initiative
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: makes them a rapist.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, more and more men, young zoomer men
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: are actually like taking like performance enhancing drugs to like
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: get the right body to attract women. Then in previous generations,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: like a lot of guys are like doing you know,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: they're juicing, they're taking me, Yeah, so that they can
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: look like something that women find attractive. They're actually having
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: a bunch of body image issues.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: Now, yeah no.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: And they're also they're also like increasingly getting penile enhancement
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: surgeries and.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Leg lengthening surgeries to make them Yeah.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's insane, you know, Like, I'm just
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: glad that my boys never fell into that kind of trap.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Sam decided he was going to lose weight just because
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: he wanted to lose weight, because he was a bit
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: of a pudge, and he did it the proper way,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: which was eating keto and and then he just happened
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: to grow another like five and a half inches at
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: the same time, and he slimmed right down. And yeah no,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: but he just eats healthy and and the chicken shiwarma
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: sand with salad.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: You know, all right, let's let's keep going. Though this
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: is not the good bit.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: Social judgment around our sexual choices is probably not realistic.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: I think that basically that's what humans are like. We
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: do just tend to be judgments about this. But anyway,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: Very wise to.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: Subject girls to this experience, is how I would put it.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: To say that you have to go through the hookup
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 7: culture young people.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: I'm going to agree with her and say freedom has
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: become a pressure. There's become a societal pressure to be free.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: So I only many young people are opting out of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: the apswer.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm a therapist and I see so many young people,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: and I give lectures and people come up to me,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: so I can say and I write books about ado lesson,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to say that mostly the term hookup
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: culture is used between fifteen and thirty. So you're correct
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: in saying a thirty two year old woman should have
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: the right to have sex with whoever the hell she
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: wants to have sex with. And I'm right there with you,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: she should have choice whatever.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they want her.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: Men who are developing emotionally mentally. No, No, that is
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: not what I'm not. Can I finish?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't Is she just automatically me jerking when she says
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: young men, and she's like, they should not have the right.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, she doesn't let me let her finish.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: Sorry, so you interrupted, so I didn't get to finish
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: your story. Okay, So they are more vulnerable, They are
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: more vulnerable emotionally to what the hookup culture does to them.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of research to say that it causes loneliness, depression, anxiety,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: tons of regret, embarrassment, shame, self esteem issues, and so
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: of course we want eat him. In fact, I'm probably
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: more in.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Agreement with you.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: You pause for a sec. I'm trying to clarify something.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: And she's saying that in young men that is called.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: But she's saying in young men that's the shame and
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: all of that that this freedom thing has become a pressure,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: this idea of sexual reliberation is having a negative impact,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: and it's putting people like young people, particular boys and
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: men in a position where you know, they're feeling anxious,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: they're lonely because maybe.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Why did she just immediately beat off like they should
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: not have the right? She she bring us up young men,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: and the feminists is like they shouldn't have the right.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, okay, but nothing was specified about rights. No,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: nothing was well, it's like your knee jerk. As soon
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: as a man is brought off, take.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Away his rights, you know. Okay, if we could go
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: back and listen again.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, I'll shut up.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: I'll go back to her like right here, listen from here.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: As you're not cool women that young women are told
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: you don't want too high BodyCount, you're going to get
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: slight shamed. So you're talking about eighteen year olds don't
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: know themselves yet, and you're saying when the men are
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: scarce a resource, it's one way, women another way. That
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: is exactly what I would expect to see.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 8: You're talking about eighteen year olds that don't.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: Know themselves yet what we are currently experiencing in our
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: sexual culture, where yes there's some structure, yes there are
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: some rules, but we are much much more sexual sexually,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: not just liberal but even libertine than say the sexual
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 7: culture of our grandparents or whatever. I think everyone everyone
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 7: ought to be out to agree on that they're clearly
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: is a change now in the sexual culture from previous generations,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: and it's mostly to do with the pill, as I.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: Argue, But.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: The expectation is kind of as you say that you
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 7: just have to figure it out. That there isn't a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: very clear template. Yes, maybe there is a I think
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 7: that I think that Debris are actually right that most
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: people do in the end aspire to monogamy and having
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 7: children and everything. But there's also an expectation that you're
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: supposed to experiment a bit in the meantime, and it's
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 7: kind of actually weird to be a vision on your
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: wedding night. And I think that, yes, I mean, girls
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: have to tread this really difficult tight write. On the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: one hand, they are at risk of slupshing, but they
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: also at risk of being called frigid.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: If there's I mean, at least.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: They don't have to do the tight rope of potentially
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: going to jail like Mendu and boys. Little different stakes.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: There, Okay, okay, but just keep going all.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we'll just doing a good of the banana there.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: Being called frigid than in previous generations. And I mean
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: that the idea that we can escape from social judgment
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: around our sexual choices is probably not realistic. I think
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: that basically that's what humans are like. We do just
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 7: tend to be judgmental about this. But anyway, I don't
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 7: think it's very.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: Wise to.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 7: Subject girls to this experience, is how I would put it,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 7: to say that you have to go through the hookup culture.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: I know young people at all.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: I'm going to agree with her and say freedom has
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: become a pressure. There's become a societal pressure to be free.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: So I know many young people are opting out of
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: the apps.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm a therapist and I see so many young people,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: and I give lectures and people come up to me,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: so I can say, and I write books about adolescents,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to say that mostly the term hookup
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: culture is used between fifteen and thirty. So you're correct
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: in saying a thirty two year old woman should have
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: the right to have sex with whoever the hell she
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: wants to have sex with. And I'm right there, she
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: should have choice whatever. But young women, young men who
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: are developing emotionally, mentally, no, no, wait.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait. Okay, so that's the context
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: of her saying should not have the right.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: So when they do have the right, they do have
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: the right. But there's a difference. There's a different thing
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: between Okay, just there's a difference between having a right
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: and being encouraged or pressured to exercise it. Okay, I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: have the right to like go out and protest whatever
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: the fuck I want. Apparently, I mean, like, I guess
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: I'm risking seven or eight years in prison in Canada
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: right now for that. But but you know, I have
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: the right not to right, nobody. This isn't about rights.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: This is about behavior that should be encouraged, right versus discouraged.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: But I just want to point out that when I've
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: seen the whole context of this, this woman, when when
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: a woman is brought up, she says she should have
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: the right, and this woman just brought up man, and
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: then she says they should not have the right.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that's not what she's saying. She's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: putting words in the other woman's mouth. Oh, so they
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have the right. They shouldn't have the right to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: participate in hook up culture, is what you're saying. So
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: she just failed to say. So what you're saying is
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't have the right.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was trying to finish the other woman's sentence.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, right, let's keep going there, So let's keep going.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: Sorry, yes, sorry, so you interrupted, So I didn't get
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: to finish.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: So they are more vulnerable. They are more vulnerable emotionally
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: to what the hookup culture does to them. There's a
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: lot of research to say.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not the boys now that they're more vulnerable to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: what because remember hookup culture. You know, it sounds fine
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: and dandy, but only a very small number of men
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: are going to benefit from that.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: That it causes loneliness, depression, anxiety, tons of regret, embarrassment, shame,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: self esteem issues. And so of course we want freedom.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: In fact, I'm probably more in agreement with you on
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: most things in think, but in this I say that
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: freedom can become its own prison. So if you think
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: about the early feminists, the really early feminists, Mary Wollstonecraft,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: Mary Shelley, those women were fighting patriarchy, They were fighting
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: a system that said they had to be a certain way.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: So of course I don't accept what iran does to women.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: I mean that, you know, But what's happened is if
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: the pendulum swings too far to.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Women different kind, like if you actually look beyond the women.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: But I've seen streams of of YouTubers just going and
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: or on, and you're just walking down the street and
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: there are people, there are women without without head scarfs.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Not anymore, not recently.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: What they're no, that was recent, It was like a
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: couple of months ago. Why did they crack down on
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: that or something?
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Well they've cracked, Well, they've cracked they've been cracking down
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: on it for a while, right, Like the whole the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: whole Iranian freakin uprising that they thought was going to
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: topple the government was about a woman who was tortured
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: and killed for not wearing a he job.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so but they also cracked down. If
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: they're cracking down on that, then they're also cracking down.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: On us on men. Yes, on men.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: And that's not even remarked upon, because it's it.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: It never is. But but okay, but they're cracking down
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: on everyone, like the Ayatola is cracking down on on everyone, right.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Because it's a theocracy. But of course we don't look
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: at the situation for men.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Ever, No we don't.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: And you know, I've got I got an interesting comment
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: a while back, and they said someone was saying, well,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: it's so bad for women in the Middle East and
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: you just don't know. And I said, well, I lived
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia for ten years and every Thursday you
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: could go to Ramada, or not Ramadan, the capital city,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: it's not Alphabar Riod. You could go to Riod every
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Thursday and watch men get their hands cut, hands chopped off,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: not women. Men like these severe punishments were reserved for men.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Well because because of a family needed somebody to steal
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: for them, they certainly weren't going to send out the woman.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, but these severe punishments were reserved for men.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: And just like in our culture, men were more likely
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: to be crime, would be more likely to be punished
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: for crimes than women. They have a lot of the same.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I know this might strike people as strange,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: but Muslims are also guyinocentric. They also don't want to
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: punish women. Yep, and in the same degrees. And oh man,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get it for that statement, aren't I
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: They they punish men more. There's more reportings of stoning's
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: now for men, and definitely, like you wouldn't be able
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: to go to read and see a woman get her
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: hands chopped off, I wasn't going to happen, So you know,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: it's something to consider, yes.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: Sure, kind of patriarchy On the other side, you know,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: we say the extreme left and the extreme right actually
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: meet in the middle, and so have we just not
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: we never want to take choice away, the ideas that
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: choice away.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: That's okay, I'm not even gonna like I'm not even
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: gonna honor that, but a reply, this is not her wheelhouse.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to drop that.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: From women who can have sex with whoever they want
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: to have sex with. That's not the point of this.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: It's have we created a society which pressures young women
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: in its own way to be promiscuous, to have lots
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: of experiences. It's not all glorious freedom. It is glorious,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: but it's also not all glorious, and it can be
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: it can be a pressure on young people to get
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: rid of their virginity, to have lots togever aperiences. And
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: it's not all it's cracked up to be for.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: They ever just really millennial shift. There's no millennial shift.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: That's where the you're talking What are you talking about?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: All right? So the millennial shift is something that researchers
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: into sexual assault have started to notice.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: I know you're talking about.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Let me, let me explain what it is. What it
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: is is that younger women are engaging in sexual assault
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: at higher rates than any group in history. And they
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: don't bring that up. So we're we're all we're having
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: this conversation, like we're having this entire conversation where these
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: women are concerned about the pressure on young women to
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: engage in sex in a hookup culture. But there's no
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: discussion about these young women's responsibilities in hookup culture, right
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: there seems to be none. I don't know, I'll have
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: to defer to Brian whether or not that's the case.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: And yet what we're seeing is this epidemic of young
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: women engaging in sexual assault. And I just find it
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: fascinating because everything is always couched in terms of young
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: women's victimhood by these, by these and I don't know
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: where else to bring it up, but you know, the
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: conversation never goes to young women's responsibilities when it comes
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: to the hookup culture, you know. And it's this idea
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: and they keep repeating this phrase. And it's why I
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: bring up the millennial shift. A woman has the right
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: to have sex with whomever she once. No she doesn't, Yeah, no,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have the right. This this is this is
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: amazing to me because these these women are supposedly authorities
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: in their field, and yet they continue to promote this
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: kind of this unexamined statement that is sort of rape. Okay.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Also also, okay, didn't this freaking red coated bitch say,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: you know, oh, Don Draper's wife was so hard done
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: by because he was cheating on her with all these
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: other women. Right, but women should have the right to
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: have sex with whoever they want. Really, yeah, then if
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: they're married.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this new push. Now, there's this new push
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: to justify women's cheating. I don't know the the American
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Psychology or the uh the psychology today published an article
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: about how women cheat in order to maintain their relationships.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: And there's all kinds of medium articles that are trying
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: to promote this idea of cheating for the woman, the wife,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: but the man needs to stay faithful. You know, there's
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: all kinds there's a whole raft of female sexual immaturity
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: and that's not that's okay. I mean they're being selfish.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I mean it's not okay, but it's not horrifying. They're
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: being selfish, they're being immature, they're making putting expectations on
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: their partner that they're not living up to. But then
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: you go from the sexual immaturity of young women to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: the sexual violence and aggression of young women, and none
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: of this is in this conversation. Maybe this pressure that's
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: being put on young women to take part in the
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: hookup culture is leading them to do more extremely morally
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: questionable things like forcing men and boys to have sex
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: at apparently gunpoint or night point. And I know that
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: sounds really crazy, but that that that is the statistic
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: that's most alarming about the millennial shift is that women,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: younger women, the younger generations of women are using weapons
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: to force other people to have sex at I think
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: three times the rate of men in their generation or
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: any generation or any other generation of women. And nowhere
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: is this being discussed that maybe one effect of this
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: pressure is is is them literally taking that statement men
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: women have the right to have sex with whoever they
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: want very literally. Yeah, I mean, and they keep throwing
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: that around. They keep throwing that statement around, and they
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: don't think they it just comes out of their mouths,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: completely freely without.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: Who whoever they want also has a right to say no.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, whatever they want also has the right to
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: say no.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: You know. And it it's if you go back to
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: like you remember Rebecca Sullivan, professor Rebecca Sullivan of the
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: University of Calgary. I did a video on her and
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: she was like, oh, yeah, the men's rights movement, it
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: appears to be about men's sexual rights, as in, if
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: only we could have sex with whoever we want to,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: whenever we want to, uh, then maybe we wouldn't have
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: to rape you.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on CBC.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh god, we probably covered and I think
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: I might have blocked it out.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: And I did. I did an entire I didn't video
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: of her.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: She took us. She took us saying men have the
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: right to say no, and turned it into that.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: No, she didn't, she has she has no idea what
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: the men's rights movement is about. Yeah, right, like, and
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: she's just like she was just trying to convince people
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: not to watch The Red Pill. Hmmm, right, don't watch
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: it because it's like, this is what these people are about. Yeah,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: And then and then the host says, oh, no, wonder
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: they're so controversial. And then Rebecca Sullivan goes, oh yeah,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: I know, no wonder, no wonder they're so controversial.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: You just take face value her lie about what it was. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: have you ever even framed it in that way?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: Didn't ask a single follow up question on anything, didn't
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: push back at all, didn't say like, well that doesn't
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: sound like I mean, you know, like that sounds pretty extreme.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: You know what, do you have to back that up?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: I think that was in response to that poster that
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: I may have been may or may not be.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. It was in response to the red
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Pill and and a consum servative group on the University
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: of Calgary campus writing, uh do it wanting to do
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: a screening of the red Pill, and with using a
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: provocative I think it was feminism is cancer. Come see
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: why feminism is cancer or something like that.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, because I seem to recall that I did
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: a poster in which I pointed out that some feminist
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: professor that was.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: At the University of Alberta in Edmonton.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ignoring the fact that that men and boys are
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: also subject to sexual assault was rape culture. It was
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: feminist rape culture.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I forget what that's name was. I just I
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: just I just I just remember. I just remember that
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: that particular professor she likes to wear clothes that look
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: like your grandmother's sofa upholstery.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Just exploded, all yeah.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: I got something merry Christmas here it is. Oh god,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna play it for you guys really quick. Just
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: stay quiet. I'm gonna play it.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 13: They stand for the right of men to have mostly
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 13: sexual rights.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: It's it's the right of men.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 13: To engage in any sexual activity that they want and
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 13: you know, have entitlement to women's bodies.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: The men's rights movement points to a.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 13: Number of very real issues in our society.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: That there are very few.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 13: Resources available to men who experience domestic or gender or
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 13: sexual violence, to the fact that suicide rates are very
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 13: high for men, incarceration culture, high dropout rates, lowering participation
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 13: in post secondary education. These are all very real and
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 13: pressing and urgent issues, but they go from there immediately
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 13: to its women's fault because they are denying men their
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 13: natural rights as men. Meaning, if only we could just
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 13: have sex with whoever and whatever we want, whenever we want,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 13: then maybe we wouldn't have to rape you.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: What I know, I know, I know, oh Meller. Men
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: are being dropping out of college, boys are being marked
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: down by feminist teachers. But the solution that men's rights
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: activists have is that women should no longer be able
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: to say no to sex. What these things don't even
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with each other?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: No, and and see and if she actually was behind
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: what she's she was talking about there she would have.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when we interviewed Nick Redding when he
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: was running for city council the pature Okay, we interviewed
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: him on the radio and and you you said that,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: you know, uh, you said something like we sh I
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: agree with you, we should outlaw the right of women
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: to say no. And then and then he said, well,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: if they can't say no, how am I going to
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: get off? And I was like and it was just
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: like bang, like it was instant, instant, like it was
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: so fast. I was like Jesus Christ that that was. Yeah. No,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: but it's like, this is the this is the ridiculous
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: thing about.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: I think that was after this, that was us satirizing
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: this nonsense.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, this was when he was running for
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: city council. It was before this, right. But it's like
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: it's like, at least what he said made sense. Yeah, right,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: if if he's a raypie bastard, right, what good is
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: it if he's got a bunch of women who are
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: like jumping all over him, or like at least lying
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: back and thinking of England? Right? Yeah? No, the whole
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: point of being a rapie bastard is you're forcing yourself
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: on someone and and while they're saying no, and so
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: it's like, but this woman, she's just like, well, if
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: only we could have sex with whoever and whatever we want,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: whenever we want to, then maybe we wouldn't have to
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: rape you. And it's just like, okay, wait, how does
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: how does this fit into like monogamous marriage or you know,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: like intact families with daughters and sons who are.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Proper parental rights.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's it's like, how does this fit into
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: like protecting men against domestic violence and section?
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: How does how does this fit factor into anything? Anything?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: Like you know the fact that having having a father
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: in the house, the biological father in the house, makes
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: the wife and the kids more safe.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't. Like the thing is that it's a
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: non sequitor that's trying to poison the entire conversation.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: I guess woman.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Never advocated for any of the men's issues that she
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: brought up, never pushed for them, never concerned herself with them.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: She just basically said, yeah, they have they have genuine issues,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna none.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: They're so horrible, these people, they're so horrible that they
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: would take these genuine issues that are genuinely concerning and
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: use them as a smoke screen too, to try and
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: push their agenda to get men the right to rape
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: with impunity.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: That's how bad they are. It's not just that they're
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: you know, like if they just advocated openly in the
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: right to rape, right, then then that would be bad enough.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: But it's even worse because they're using these genuine issues
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: as a shield right to to get that that horrible agenda.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Flippery, it's a slippery if you care about men's issues
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: in any capacity, then we're going to be ending up
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: in the Handmaiden's tail, right.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: And even the log it wasn't for all the guys.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: It's the same logic of if we expect women to
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: take any responsibility Bam Afghanistan.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah no. And and even like even in the Handmaid's Tale, Okay,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: there were a select few men who got those privileges.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just a free for all. Oh, all men
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: have the right to have sex with any woman they want,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: whenever they want.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: I think Brian is spewed up another Yeah, so I'm
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: gonna have a time here because I gotta go soon.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: But I gotta jump start my t bird too.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought we would jump ahead. I think
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: that there's a lot of good meat on this particular
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: bone that we can go into. But we didn't get
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: that far. But I do want to at least jump
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: up to this.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: Uh, well, do you have any time this Friday?
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I have to help my daughter sort out
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: her short term disability insurance, so.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: M okay, well maybe maybe Karen can come back to this.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well let's uh, let's play this clip.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: I'm jumping ahead a bit to where the woman in
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: red I believe that one is. Let me just check
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: Deborah Francis White. She gets a bit triggered.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: It's muted.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I'm not sharing that. Wait, it's muted.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: You guys can't We can't hear it, dude.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: Let me hold on. Let me share a different tab
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: and then switch it back.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Hold on, Yeah, it's probably just yeah, let me just
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's it's okay.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: So we'll go back to this Rebecca Sullivan thing and
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: then I will go to this one and see if
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: you hear it now, nop, Okay, what is that? What's
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: going on? Let me see something. Yeah, you're right, it's
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: not Okay, let me just I'll just have to share
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: it over again. So yeah, second guys.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Ye, well, well we'll just stay in the holding pattern
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: waiting for this. It's okay, okay, all right, all right,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: all right, let's see.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: To help understand that we have denigrated maybe one of
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: the most important work you can do. Instead of elevating it,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: instead of admiring women for staying home and dealing with
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: the boring moments and dealing with the hardships and dealing
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: with the sleep.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: She's promoting motherhood in this This is the context as
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: a section about traditional gender roles. But that's what the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: diaries the CEO titled it. But they're sort of like
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: having a bit of a back and forth about it.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: So it's the frustration.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: It's much easier to go to work. It is much
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: easier to leave your children in daycare or with a
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: Nannythoh it's not to believe me, but it is much
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: easier if you have a choice to go to work,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: because being out of the house is it's harder work
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: staying home. So why aren't we admiring the women who
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: are staying home and doing.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: It's not harder work staying home.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: I Okay, here, here's okay, let's listen to this bit.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: I agree that parenting is difficult work. I agree the
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: raising of the next generation is extremely valuable. I agree
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: that the people who do it, whoever they are, should
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: be respected and should be it be paid in the
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: way that we live in a capitalist society. And if
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 6: we don't put a value on it, or we don't
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: create tax breaks around it, or you know, have child
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 6: endowment around it, we then say it's non important. So
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 6: I absolutely agree with all of the government. Do not
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: agree that women.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, let me let me get in here for
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: a second, women who stay at home. Statistically, women who
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: stay at home do half the work of everyone else,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: and now we also have to pay for them.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean, like, honestly, honestly, any woman who
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: has had kids, okay, who says it's harder to stay
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: at home than it is to go to work. It's
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: harder to deal with the boredom of home than it
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: is to deal with the boredom of work. Okay, It's
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: harder to stay at home, uh and look after your
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: kids and deal with the frustrations of dealing with the
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: kids than it is to deal with the frustrations of work. Okay,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: it's harder. Okay, yes, it is harder financially, Okay, it's
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: easier psychologically, right. I don't understand these fucking women who
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: can have a baby. Okay, they can have a fucking baby,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: and at six weeks or six months old, they can
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: hand it over to total fucking strangers, okay, and not
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: feel and like the fact that this fucking psychologist who
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: I said had redeemed yourself right earlier. Yeah, no, I
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: take that back, I take that back. It is it
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: is psychologically really really hard on a woman, okay, two
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: within the first six months to eat, even be not
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: in the same room as their kids. Right, You're always listening.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: This is why you have baby monitors when you put
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: your kid down for an app because they might need
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: something and you're on the other side of the house
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: and you maybe can't hear them right, and and you
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: you know that they're so helpless that if if they
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: get into some kind of trouble and you know, or
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: some kind of pain or some kind of distress and
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: you cannot hear them right, then you know that's gonna
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: cause you psychological trauma. That's gonna cause you psychological harm, right,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: like this idea that we can just like we can
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: we can gestate them for nine whole months, and we
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: can get to know them as they're in the womb.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: And we do actually get to know them as they're
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: in the womb, because they're all different, they all behave
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: differently in the womb, right, And and then you know,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: you go through that process of giving birth and you're
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: flooded with the bonding hormones and everything, and then and
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: then you know, you nurse them at your breast and
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: and you know you want to sleep next to them
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: in the bed with you, and and all of this stuff.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: And then okay, six months old or six weeks in
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: some places, Okay, just hand them over to strangers and
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: trust that they'll still be alive at the end of
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: the day. And then you spend your entire day at work, right,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: your entire fucking day at work, going like, oh, my
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: fucking god, is my child still alive? Right, that's the
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: way the hormones are supposed to work when you're a
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: new mother. Okay, And these women either have never had
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: kids to be able to say that it's easier to
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: go to work. Yeah, it's it's more. Maybe it's more
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: work because if you don't have if you don't don't
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: have maternity leave payments, if you don't have the money
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: to rely on, right, and you have to make the
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: budget work without your income. Yeah, it's a lot of work.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of fucking work. But the idea that
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: it's it's just easier. If it's easier for you to
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: go to work, you have the easiest fucking job on
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: the fucking planet, which is just sitting around writing some books,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: maybe even while sitting on the couch at home watching
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: your kids, right, like you're or you're doing something fulfilling
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: that's really personally fulfilling to you as your job. Right,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: you have a career. You don't have a job. Okay,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: those all have jobs, right, Who get to go and
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: do all the same shit, all the same shit? Cook
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: the food, dish it up, serve it out right, you know,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: field complaints, right, because that's your whole day, is a mother,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: and then clean up. Okay, that's your whole day is
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: a mother. Yeah, I'd rather do that at home than
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: at Tony Roma's Okay.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: So ultimately I think Karen's point is that this is nonsense,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: that it's harder to it's it's harder to stay at home.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: It isn't, and.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: Also it's harder financially. Its only statistically, what is that.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Not only do women who stay at home work less
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: than everybody else, they're also saying we need to pay
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: for them. You or your husband pays for you the end.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: Move on, All right, Okay, somebody who has investments in
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: genetic offspring that you are raising pays for you. Nobody else,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: none of us should have to pay.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with giving tax breaks to
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: people who have kids. It reduces the requirement to bring
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: in immigrants, right.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a different that's a different kind of benefit.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: But look, I want that's not the point I want
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: to play. I don't know if I have time, but
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: I'm going to play her reaction because she's about to
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: say that. She started by saying, of course, so let's
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: listen out.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 6: When it said women shouldn't have to be the ones
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 6: that visit the neighbor and do all the unpaid labor
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 6: around in the community, I think that should be unpaid
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: labor in the community is important, but that's what why
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: they call it community and not women's work. It's a
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 6: community effort, so I should do it, but I should
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 6: also get to go to work in the writer's room,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 6: and my husband should do it, and he should go
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 6: and get to do his job. So I don't think.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of times today I don't know.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 6: I think maybe I don't know. Maybe without meaning to,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 6: I've heard from both of you, even though we agree
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 6: on many things, feminism really did a number on us,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 6: or feminism pulled the lynch pring, or it's feminism's fault.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 6: Without feminism, none of us would be around this table
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 6: because Stephen wouldn't value our voices.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: Oh I mean, okay, oh fucking okay.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: This dude, he's down and likely has black in his ancestry,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: wouldn't value the voices of white women. Can you reconsider that?
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's just let's just look at the community thing.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: Let's just look at the community thing. When I was
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: having to change a tire on my car in front
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: of my house, it wasn't one of the neighborhood women
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: who pulled over right lives right across the street, but
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: was headed home and pulled over and helped me change
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: my car. It was a man. Okay, When it was
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: when when a tree fell on my fucking car. Right.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: It wasn't one of the neighbor women who came over
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: and said, you know, I have a winch on my truck,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: and so if if that's not a city treaty and
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: you have to deal with it yourself, I'm happy to
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: pull it off your car and chainsaw it up for you, right,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: for no money. It wasn't a woman who after like
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: two feet of snow fell and it was like and
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: he was doing he had a snowblower and he was
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  Speaker 2: doing his walks, and he just decided to do the
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  Speaker 2: walks for the entire block on both sides, okay, including mine.
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't one of the neighbor women, right. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the neighbor women who were coaching my kids' soccer team
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  Speaker 2: volunteer coaching for no pay. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The women did community work, right, and they the women
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  Speaker 2: were really good at guilting you if you didn't have
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  Speaker 2: the time to do it, to join them and like
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  Speaker 2: with whatever. But the men, the men were heavily involved
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  Speaker 2: in community work, right. And they've always been involved in
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  Speaker 2: community work. They've always been involved in community work, maybe
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  Speaker 2: not organized community work. Right. But just this morning when
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  Speaker 2: I was out dealing with my T bird, which some
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: asshole broke into and then left the overhead lights on, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and now the battery's dead, and I'm like cleaning out
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  Speaker 2: all the fucking cigarette butts off the floor because he
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  Speaker 2: emptied dumped out the ashtray, right, and cleaning out all
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: the shit that he ransacked, okay out of the glove
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  Speaker 2: box okay. And I'm dealing with that, and the guy
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  Speaker 2: across the street comes over and he's like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what's the is the hoods up right easily having car troubles?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, the battery's dead. Somebody left the
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  Speaker 2: overhead light on after they ransacked my fucking car, right,
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  Speaker 2: And and he's like, oh, if you need a jump,
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  Speaker 2: just let me know. And I'm like, no, I can.
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  Speaker 2: I can jump the car myself. But thank you for offering,
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  Speaker 2: because you're part of a community and volunteering yourself without
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  Speaker 2: either being part of some kind of organization.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, I just want to point out that this woman's
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  Speaker 1: statement is unbelievably mean, bullying and thuggish towards this guy,
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  Speaker 1: and it's completely ignorant of history because the the truth
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  Speaker 1: is that if she was of an upper class, they
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  Speaker 1: would listen to her. Even if she was of a
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  Speaker 1: lower class as a woman, she would engage in so
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  Speaker 1: like a social phenomenon like looking on where she got
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: to judge who men who've been voted for? There was
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: and also like he as an anecdote from Medina, I
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  Speaker 1: think in Spain, or is it in Spain or some
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: place in Italy, there was a prince who said hello
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  Speaker 1: to a peasant girl and it caused a scandal in
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  Speaker 1: the town, and her father got you know, her brothers
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: together went and beat the absolute crap out of the prince.
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  Speaker 1: And then when they were coming home to the town,
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  Speaker 1: they were met by the head woman of the town
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  Speaker 1: and she said, that's not good enough, go murder him,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: and so they did. Are you freaking you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: that women didn't have a say in the past. Of
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: course they had a say. Go list, Go read the
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: Norse sagas, go read actual history. And it also depends
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  Speaker 1: like it's complete ignorance.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that.
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  Speaker 1: Princesses in the past had no say? Queens in the
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  Speaker 1: past had no say? There was a certain part of
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  Speaker 1: like the sixteenth century where you couldn't throw you couldn't
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: freaking swing a cat without hitting a female regent? Did
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  Speaker 1: they have no say like this? This is such ignorance
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  Speaker 1: of history. And let's go closer to the common era.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: Do you think, lady, that if you were in the
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: Antebellum South and this man said, well, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a say, what do you think would have happened to him?
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: He would have been whipped because you are white and
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: he is black. How dare you now, I'm pissed? How
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: dare you be so ignorant of history and so bullying
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: towards someone who is being gracious towards you in the
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: current era. The fact is that feminism is used to
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: excuse women's shitty behavior today and is based on a
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: lie about history that's completely ignorant about the social structures
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: of the past and who got to speak and who didn't, because,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: believe me, there are plenty of women throughout history. Aristocracy,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: which produced far more female heads of state and democracy
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: has currently and they definitely had a say. So shut
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: your trap. You're an ignorant person who thinks that mad
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: men is freaking a historical document. You should be in
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: a short bus. Okay, I'm done. Was there anything further
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: that we needed to respond to Brian?
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: No, we can save it for next time. I do
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: think we should do more of this video. I think
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: it's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, sure, well, I'll touch base with Karen. You guys
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: will have to do something without me on Friday because
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: I have more dental stuff with Jonathan. If you're yeah,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: but that we probably should let Brian get out of here.
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  Speaker 1: to say about this to some this up.
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  Speaker 8: This is just.
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  Speaker 1: Like what's astounding to me is right now the infinite
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: material goods generator is breaking down, and we have this
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: committee of women discussing the next thing it has to
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: give them. Yeah, and it's like, no, that's not the
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: discussion we need to have here, That's not the discussion
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: we need to have. But that's the discussion that they're
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: going to continue to have until everything breaks to pieces
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: over and base breaks to pieces because of their demands
• 2:05:37
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