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The Late Debate | 30 October · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lately.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the late base, Thanks for joining us. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson, with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up.
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Speaker 2: A US court asked to declare elephants to be persons
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Speaker 2: deserving of human rights. But wait until you hear the
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Speaker 2: reason the judge declined to grant the request. We'll get
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Speaker 2: to that a bit later. Plus we'll look at what's
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Speaker 2: making news in tomorrow's papers. Anthony Albanezi releases a statement
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Speaker 2: supposed to clarify his Quantus upgrade situation, but it only
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Speaker 2: serves to raise more questions, and Victorians who dared to
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Speaker 2: question Dan Andrews's COVID response will labeled pigheaded. Know it
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Speaker 2: alls in government emails. All of that a little later,
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Speaker 2: But first you would have heard successful businesses boast about
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Speaker 2: the fact they were able to do more with less. Well,
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Speaker 2: you'd never accluse the ABC of being a successful business,
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Speaker 2: and they've reversed that adage in their annual report, boasting
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Speaker 2: they've done less than their ever done before, with more
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Speaker 2: of your money than they've ever had before. Despite receiving
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Speaker 2: funding of one point one billion dollars last financial year,
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Speaker 2: the ABC's total audience dropped by six hundred and seventy
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Speaker 2: thousand people a week on average. But it's even worse
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Speaker 2: than that. According to their annual report, they still, despite
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Speaker 2: receiving one point one billion dollars of your money, have
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Speaker 2: budget challenges. It goes on to say the ABC operated
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Speaker 2: within its total sources of funds and revenue from government
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Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty three to twenty four financial year
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Speaker 2: recording get this, a minor technical operating deficit of two
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Speaker 2: point two million dollars. So oh, it's the most money
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Speaker 2: they've ever had, but the audience is declining and they're
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Speaker 2: losing money. And to add salt to the wound, outgoing
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Speaker 2: manager Director David Anderson was paid one million dollars to
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Speaker 2: oversee this abject failure.
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Speaker 3: Caleb, isn't it great the rest of us in commercial
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Speaker 3: media or having to cut costs and as you say,
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Speaker 3: do more with less, Because of course we want to
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Speaker 3: remain on air and we want to keep bringing you
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Speaker 3: news and whatever. But that's the market that we operate in,
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Speaker 3: not the ABC. They get the money that the government
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Speaker 3: compulsorily takes from you and then do absolutely nothing with it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you would think that the ABC could stop
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Speaker 3: for a minute and go, Okay, look, if we're having
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Speaker 3: these major arrest in audiences, there must be something wrong with.
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Speaker 4: The content, right.
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Speaker 3: That's when people come to the ABC for. They want
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Speaker 3: to watch things, they want to listen to things. Clearly
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Speaker 3: they don't want to watch or listen what the ABC
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Speaker 3: is putting out. And no wonder when you look at
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Speaker 3: some of the stuff that they put out. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know, they're spending money on people putting content on
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Speaker 3: social media about furries and they've got a special social
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Speaker 3: media page for LGBTIQ issues like stuff that is just
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Speaker 3: not mainstream. As I've seen so many times before, and
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Speaker 3: I'll say it again at the risk of repeating myself,
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Speaker 3: the ABC does its best work in the regions and
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Speaker 3: rural parts of Australia and that's what it ought to
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Speaker 3: be focused on. There is an argument that the ABC
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Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have to be worried about how many people
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Speaker 3: are consuming its.
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Speaker 5: Media as long as that media is.
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Speaker 4: Of great quality and of great.
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Speaker 3: Importance to people who can't get commercial media. Instead, what
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Speaker 3: they are trying to do, and they've done in recent years,
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Speaker 3: is centralized lots of stuff in the big cities, particularly
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Speaker 3: Sydney and provide content to people who have access to
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Speaker 3: a vast array of commercial media, which is why they're
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Speaker 3: not consuming it because they can get it somewhere else.
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Speaker 4: Give content to people who can't.
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Speaker 5: Get it anywhere else.
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Speaker 4: That's what the ABC is for.
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Speaker 3: I just feel like we bash our heads up against
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Speaker 3: a brick wall every time this comes up. It never
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Speaker 3: changes and it will never change until someone has the
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Speaker 3: guts to actually a minister, a communications minister. And we
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Speaker 3: haven't seen anyone labor or liberal to say we need
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Speaker 3: to seriously reform what the ABC is. They need to
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Speaker 3: be an ABC for the modern age. But that doesn't
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Speaker 3: mean going on TikTok, which increasingly seems to be what
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Speaker 3: they do.
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Speaker 6: And you think these people would have KPIs we the
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Speaker 6: taxpayer fund them. What other business do you know that
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Speaker 6: can return less than ten percent of their operating costs
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Speaker 6: in terms of revenue less than ten percent and.
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Speaker 7: Get budgeted more money for next year? You heard me right?
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Speaker 6: So they've never had more money than they do now.
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Speaker 6: Things are going very poorly. So what does our government
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Speaker 6: do up.
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Speaker 7: Their budget next year?
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Speaker 6: They've got one point one nine to six instead of
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Speaker 6: one point one three seven billion to play with. This
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Speaker 6: is not a problem that throwing money at it will
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Speaker 6: make it disappear.
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Speaker 7: And what a year it's been for the ABC.
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Speaker 6: Remember in June they had their bullying and and Sexual
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Speaker 6: Harassment survey, which found twenty five percent of their employees
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Speaker 6: were like I've been bullied, thirteen percent of them said
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Speaker 6: that they had experienced sexually sexual harassment. Then in October
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Speaker 6: they had their survey regarding racism. Only one called employee
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Speaker 6: cultural and lingually diversified employees. Only one of them said
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Speaker 6: I haven't experienced racism here at the ABC. And now
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Speaker 6: we get to have a look at their numbers and
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Speaker 6: it's an absolute abomination. And like you say, Caleb, is
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Speaker 6: anyone at the ABC going maybe it's our content, because
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Speaker 6: that's the only way you get views on TV, that's
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Speaker 6: the only way you get people tuning into your radio stations,
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Speaker 6: that's the only way you get readers online clicking on
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Speaker 6: your content. Until they address that issue, this is just
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Speaker 6: going to continue to slide. We've talked about the phenomena
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Speaker 6: of podcasters and others.
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Speaker 7: Again that's available in the regions.
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Speaker 6: People are going elsewhere for readily available content. ABC can't
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Speaker 6: keep up with those kind of outputs anymore.
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Speaker 2: And of course if you listen to those at the ABC,
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Speaker 2: the issue is not content, it's funding. They just need more.
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Speaker 2: How much money would it take to fix the ABC?
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Speaker 2: The answer just a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: It's like the education Union, right, Like, the reason the
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Speaker 3: education system is broken is because we don't have enough money. Well,
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Speaker 3: we've been just throwing more and more and more and
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Speaker 3: more and more and more money at it for twenty
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Speaker 3: years and the results get worse.
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Speaker 7: We've proving that theory for a very long time. Now.
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Speaker 3: It's like that Simpsons meme, and it's like, you know,
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Speaker 3: is it the kids that's the problem? No?
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Speaker 4: No, are we the problem?
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Speaker 5: Know the kids of the problem? Seriously, get your act
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Speaker 5: in order.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of spending a lot of money and not having
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Speaker 3: a lot to show for it, why don't we talk
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Speaker 3: about the great state of Victorian Now, Victoria, as we know,
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Speaker 3: has the largest debt of any in the country. In fact,
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Speaker 3: when compared to comparable jurisdictions around the world, it is
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Speaker 3: one of the most indebted places in the world for
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Speaker 3: its population size. I mean, seriously, one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 3: eight billion dollars in net debt. They are currently projected
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Speaker 3: to reach in twenty twenty six twenty seven financial year,
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Speaker 3: but of course they'll have a budget review in December
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Speaker 3: and it is strongly tipped that that will increase even further.
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Speaker 3: Here was the Opposition leader, John Persuito on all of this.
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Speaker 8: Today, we have the highest debt in the nation, we
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Speaker 8: have the highest taxes in the nation, and what's worse,
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Speaker 8: we have no transparency in the way Victorian's money is
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Speaker 8: being spent in various types of programs, whether it's blowouts
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Speaker 8: on major projects, whether it's the debarkle of the Commonwealth
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Speaker 8: Games which were overseen by Premier de ciner Allen, or
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Speaker 8: it's the misuse of contingency funds and treasurers advances. We're
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Speaker 8: going to restore transparency, accountability and responsibility to the way
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Speaker 8: Victoria's finances are reported.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 4: What he is describing there, lo and behold is actually
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Speaker 4: a good idea.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe that no one else has suggested this before.
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Speaker 3: Less so can I believe that it's come out of
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Speaker 3: the mouth of John Pursuto, one of the most ineffective
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Speaker 3: liberal leaders in the country. But he has actually had
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Speaker 3: a good idea, which is that there should be a
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Speaker 3: website where the taxpayers of Victoria can go online and
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Speaker 3: monitor how public money is being spent in real time. Yes,
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Speaker 3: you would be able to go online and see exactly
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Speaker 3: how many dollars are being spent by the government every
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Speaker 3: day and what they are.
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Speaker 4: Being spent on.
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Speaker 3: What a revolutionary idea that we, the taxpayers who can
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Speaker 3: pulsorily give our money to the government to spend it,
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Speaker 3: would actually be able to see where they're spending it.
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Speaker 3: When I read this today, I honestly was like, how
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Speaker 3: has no one thought to do this before?
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Speaker 2: This is the least impressive idea I have ever heard. Victoria,
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Speaker 2: as you said, have got a net debt of one
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty eight billion dollars. For John Persudo, he's
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Speaker 2: going to produce an app. That's right, you can go
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Speaker 2: online and you can watch the decline of your state
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Speaker 2: live on the internet. This is fantastic, and to be fair,
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Speaker 2: Labor would have done this that we're just trying to
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Speaker 2: figure out a way to tax people who went online
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Speaker 2: to watch the decline. If you're going to fix the problem,
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Speaker 2: then come up with some policies to cut spending, which
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Speaker 2: is going to mean some very hard decisions and I
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Speaker 2: defy anyone to convince me that John Pasudo has got
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Speaker 2: the kahunas to make hard decisions on the finances. But
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Speaker 2: we're going to get a website and you can go
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Speaker 2: and you can log on and you can check out.
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Speaker 7: Oh no, no, they're not going to get a website.
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Speaker 6: I mean, being the opposition leader a the liberal opposition
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Speaker 6: leader in Victoria is like being in IKEA.
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Speaker 7: You are never getting out of there. Okay.
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Speaker 6: So this is a great idea coming from an opposition
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Speaker 6: leader who knows he will never be premier and therefore
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Speaker 6: never have people tuning in too, said app to criticize
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Speaker 6: he's government blowouts and all the spending and government waste
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Speaker 6: that goes on with our hard earned taxpayer dollars.
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Speaker 7: So this is a it sounds like a great idea.
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Speaker 6: And to be fair, let's have a golf clap for
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Speaker 6: John Pursudo for finally making a headline that isn't pertaining
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Speaker 6: to him, throwing out a sitting m theme or deeming
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Speaker 6: out of his party just for attending a pro women's
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Speaker 6: rally on the steps of Parliament that was gate crashed
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Speaker 6: by some whack job neo nazis that she had no
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Speaker 6: knowledge of or anything to do with ever in her
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Speaker 6: entire life. So thanks to finally making your headline that
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Speaker 6: wasn't about your atrocious treatment of that woman, John Persudo.
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Speaker 6: So in that case, golf clap. But otherwise this is
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Speaker 6: never going to happen. Labor's not going to put it up.
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Speaker 6: The limbs don't have the numbers to get it up.
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Speaker 3: He's saying, if.
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Speaker 2: A labor no longer rules in Victoria, the website doesn't
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Speaker 2: fix the debt. The website about me. This reminds me
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Speaker 2: of Grocery Watch. Like you know, the government now still
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Speaker 2: have a website you can check grocery prices. It didn't
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Speaker 2: change grocery prices, It just made you realize you couldn't afford.
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Speaker 3: He has also proposed that they should bring back a
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Speaker 3: debt limit in Victoria, which yes, I agree with that,
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Speaker 3: and have it intergenerational report, which is of course what
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Speaker 3: the Howard and Costello government did at a federal level
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Speaker 3: many years ago, and went, hang on a minute, we
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Speaker 3: have a problem in terms of debt now and what
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Speaker 3: that means for people in the future.
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Speaker 4: I think his aims are noble, but we shouldn't.
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Speaker 3: Discount the possibility of Alan not being premier forever.
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Speaker 5: I hope she's not premier forever.
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Speaker 3: But some of the recent polling has shown there is
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Speaker 3: a chance that the Libs could win an election in
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Speaker 3: Victoria and I'm just glad to see him actually talking
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Speaker 3: about something sense.
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Speaker 9: What about this?
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Speaker 2: What about an app where you can go online and
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Speaker 2: see which Liberal MP is suing which other Liberal MP
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Speaker 2: for defamation?
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Speaker 7: You could do that on our taxpayer dollar.
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Speaker 6: By the way, we're the one who's as well as
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Speaker 6: all the inquiries and all the reviews that they have
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Speaker 6: that they do absolutely nothing about but want to be
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Speaker 6: seen to do something. One oh one politics is the
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Speaker 6: less you intend to do about something, the more you've
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Speaker 6: got to be seen talking about it and caring about it,
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Speaker 6: so you can fool the masses into thinking you are
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Speaker 6: or might do something about it. But the day Dan
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Speaker 6: Andrews was re elected in Victoria was the day we
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Speaker 6: all knew we will die before we see a liberal
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Speaker 6: government in that state. You can quote me to South
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Speaker 6: Australia now, where despite last year South Australia's top cop,
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Speaker 6: the Police Commissioner Grant Stevens, being given a one hundred
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Speaker 6: and one thousand dollar pay rise, it turns out the
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Speaker 6: state doesn't have the money to equip everyday policemen with
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Speaker 6: the essentials. They have started buying their own dash cams
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Speaker 6: in their police cars in order to feel safer, to
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Speaker 6: record what's going on around them as.
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Speaker 7: They're doing the rounds.
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Speaker 6: A quote from an anonymous police officer, always got to
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Speaker 6: be anonymous.
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Speaker 7: Can't be caught out blowing.
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Speaker 6: The whistle on your own employer when it's the state.
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Speaker 6: He says, a lot of officers are buying their own
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Speaker 6: dash cams. They're spending their own money on equipment. It
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Speaker 6: makes them feel safer. We notice a massive improvement in
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Speaker 6: people's attitudes when they know they're being recorded. Opposition police
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Speaker 6: spokesman Jack Battie spoke to this issue today. He said
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Speaker 6: Labour's Police Minister Dan Kreagan seemingly expects top cops to
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Speaker 6: pop into JBI Fi in their spare time and buy
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Speaker 6: their own dash cams for our police vehicles. Dash Cams
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Speaker 6: are a simple safety measure for police. We must do
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Speaker 6: everything to protect those that protect us. Interestingly, also the
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Speaker 6: South Australian Police Minister said, well, there's issues around using
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Speaker 6: this kind of technology in police vehicles due to data
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Speaker 6: storage and security issues and the legalities around that, Well,
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Speaker 6: get through in charge of the law, buddy you. So
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Speaker 6: if there's issues around that and that's why you're not
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Speaker 6: adequately arming the police to do their jobs in a
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Speaker 6: good way, look.
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Speaker 7: No further than in the mirror. This is one of.
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Speaker 6: Those stories we're constantly talking about, why on earth would
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Speaker 6: you sign up to the police force.
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Speaker 7: As far as I.
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Speaker 6: Know, every single state is crying out for more police officers.
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Speaker 6: The pay is not good, you don't get treated well,
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Speaker 6: you're working way more hours than.
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Speaker 7: You're usually rosted on.
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Speaker 6: If their reports can be believed, and I certainly believe them,
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Speaker 6: and now we learn simple things like this, a piece
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Speaker 6: of equipment that a lot of everyday citizens have to
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Speaker 6: feel safer in their own cars, our own police officers don't.
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Speaker 3: Hang on this argument about we don't know about the
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Speaker 3: legalities and the issues with privacy with collecting the footage.
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Speaker 4: The police officers already have, but body.
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Speaker 3: Can backlist right which they can activate at any time.
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Speaker 3: So if it's okay for the police to collect body
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Speaker 3: cam footage, why would it not be okay for them
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Speaker 3: to collect dashcam footage.
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Speaker 6: I think the difference is bodycam is obviously utilized in
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Speaker 6: even if they do breathalyzers.
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Speaker 7: I was breathalyzed recently.
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Speaker 6: They've got their body cams on because it's a one
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Speaker 6: on one interaction. So if you're going to swear at
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Speaker 6: them or assault them in any way, it's captured on
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Speaker 6: a body cam. A dash cam is different because it's
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Speaker 6: constantly recording despite nobody doing anything.
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Speaker 7: But people are innocently.
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Speaker 6: Getting around in their everyday lives in their cars being recorded.
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Speaker 3: But most South Wales and taxis have yeah, and a
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Speaker 3: lot of dash cams have got a button on the
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Speaker 3: side a bit like the body cam footage where you
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Speaker 3: can press it and it will automatically take like the
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Speaker 3: last twenty seconds of footage and then record like it
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Speaker 3: doesn't keep every bit of footage it ever takes otherwise
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Speaker 3: that had just run out of room to do it.
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Speaker 5: I don't know how that's an argument at all. I mean,
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Speaker 5: you go to JBBI.
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Speaker 7: Naturally he needs to define defense.
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Speaker 5: You go to jb High fight as these coppers seem
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Speaker 5: to be.
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Speaker 3: You get a dash cam for about one hundred bucks, right,
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Speaker 3: and you said that the police commission of grund Stevens
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Speaker 3: was given one hundred grand in a pay rise. Let's
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Speaker 3: say they've got a thousand odd police cars in South Australia.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the exact number is. I know
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Speaker 3: a few years ago they rolled out like a tablet
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Speaker 3: iPad system in police cars and they fitted that to
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Speaker 3: about six hundred and eighty police cars. And I'm assuming
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Speaker 3: that's not the entire So let's say they've got a
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Speaker 3: thousand police cars one hundred dollars a pop.
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Speaker 4: That's one hundred.
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Speaker 3: Grand, which is the same as the pay rise, and
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Speaker 3: they can have every police vehicle in the state with
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Speaker 3: a dash cam in it, like as if the government,
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Speaker 3: the state government doesn't.
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Speaker 4: Have one hundred grand blowing around, that's chump change.
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Speaker 3: They'd blow one hundred and grand in five seconds flat
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Speaker 3: if they were given the opportunity. It is such a
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Speaker 3: basic thing. And the other argument they've run is well
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Speaker 3: they've already got the body cams.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, a body cam's not.
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Speaker 3: Much use if you want to get footage of someone
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Speaker 3: going one hundred kilometers an hour through a fifty zone
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Speaker 3: on the street, right, Because often what they come into
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Speaker 3: trouble is they go off to court. Someone's elected to
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Speaker 3: be prosecuted in court and then the cops are asked
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Speaker 3: for the evidence and they're like, well, we don't actually
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Speaker 3: have the physical evidence because there's no way to film it, right,
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Speaker 3: so there is your opportunity to film it.
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Speaker 4: Oh we couldn't possibly do.
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Speaker 3: I just don't get how there is any argument to
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Speaker 3: not have a DASH Canada Police.
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Speaker 2: The only thing this does is it answers the question
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Speaker 2: why are so many police resigning. Resignations are up fifty
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Speaker 2: five percent in the South Australian Police Force in the
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Speaker 2: last twelve months, which is why they're going to you know,
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Speaker 2: the UK, New Zealand and Ireland to try to find
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Speaker 2: people who want to work as a police officer. I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure how successful that will be when they tell
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Speaker 2: applicants that once you get a job in the South
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Speaker 2: Australian Police you will need to go down to jbhi
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Speaker 2: Fi and by yourself a DASH camp so that you
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Speaker 2: can feel safe and protected staying in South Australia. The
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Speaker 2: Federal Parliament has just passed legislation to permit a nuclear
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Speaker 2: waste facility being established in Port Adelaide. That's in connection
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Speaker 2: with the submarines that will operate out of there. The irony,
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Speaker 2: of course is it's only a few months since the
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Speaker 2: government decided not to pursue, having spent seven years prepping it.
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Speaker 2: A nuclear waste facility in kimber in Regional South Australia.
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Speaker 2: So you can't have a nuclear waste facility out in
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Speaker 2: the boondocks now, No, we're going to put it right
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Speaker 2: in the middle of suburbia in Adelaide instead. Richard Miles,
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Speaker 2: speaking about the facility he's a defense minister, said submarine construction,
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Speaker 2: test and commissioning activities planned for Osborne that's in Port
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Speaker 2: Adelaide will generate small amounts of low level radioactive waste,
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Speaker 2: including personal protective equipment. This low level radioactive waste will
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Speaker 2: need to be managed and temporarily stored in a licensed facility.
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Speaker 2: No immediate level waste or intermediate level waste or high
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Speaker 2: level radioactive waste will be managed or stored in the facility.
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Speaker 2: That's Richard Males, spokesperson speaking now this it's been a
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Speaker 2: local petition of four thousand people complaining about this, saying
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Speaker 2: we were promised submarine jobs, not nuclear waste. But I
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Speaker 2: mean they're missing the point, aren't they, Liz That Hospitals, Universities,
19:13
Speaker 2: Lucas Heights reactor. Nuclear waste at the low level is
19:16
Speaker 2: stored in multiple places. Sterling in Wa has just been
19:20
Speaker 2: approved to store low level nuclear waste. But the point
19:24
Speaker 2: that I started with is the most ironic part of this.
19:27
Speaker 2: Just in August, the government said no, no, we can't have
19:30
Speaker 2: a nuclear waste facility out in sort of the regions
19:34
Speaker 2: of South Australia because an indigenous group, of course opposed
19:37
Speaker 2: it and said we will not have this, And so
19:39
Speaker 2: now you've got it right in the middle of suburbia. Ironically,
19:42
Speaker 2: a lot of the indigenous people who opposed the Kimbert
19:45
Speaker 2: nuclear facility actually live in suburban Adelaide.
19:50
Speaker 6: This is Backfvies spectacularly. But in terms of awareness, I
19:54
Speaker 6: don't think enough has been done to educate populations just
19:57
Speaker 6: how safe this is nowadays. I mean, we're still haunted
20:01
Speaker 6: about massive nuclear reactors that went off sixty odd years ago,
20:07
Speaker 6: and nuclear waste is always depicted in movies as being
20:12
Speaker 6: highly toxic, and it's usually some Russian spy jabbing someone
20:15
Speaker 6: with the tip of an umbrella or something, et cetera,
20:18
Speaker 6: and so on. Not enough is done to explain to
20:21
Speaker 6: them just how safe this is.
20:23
Speaker 7: In the twenty first century.
20:24
Speaker 6: When is the last time you heard about a nuclear
20:27
Speaker 6: waste dump having any kind of leak or being compromised.
20:31
Speaker 2: There was an episode of The Simpsons I saw.
20:34
Speaker 6: Which is which is where most Australians get.
20:37
Speaker 7: Their Labor Party.
20:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, with the eyes the fishes with the ten eyes
20:43
Speaker 6: and that kind of thing. And obviously the Labor Party
20:46
Speaker 6: hasn't helped either. They've really stoked that fear mongering because
20:50
Speaker 6: of course that is a very strong bastion of the
20:53
Speaker 6: Liberals campaigning for federal government talking up nuclear the benefits
20:57
Speaker 6: that will bring to the nation, and all late has
21:00
Speaker 6: been able to do in order to push back, and
21:03
Speaker 6: that is this really old.
21:04
Speaker 7: School fear mongering.
21:06
Speaker 6: The truth of the matter is anyone who's done any
21:08
Speaker 6: homework on nuclear.
21:10
Speaker 7: Waste, how it's stored, how.
21:12
Speaker 6: It's reduced, how it's disposed of here in the twenty
21:15
Speaker 6: first century, would have absolutely no concerns.
21:18
Speaker 7: I wouldn't have any concerns.
21:19
Speaker 6: If it was literally next door, because I've done my
21:22
Speaker 6: due diligence and that's where we're at nowadays. So even
21:25
Speaker 6: though for peace of mind, people would rather consider oh,
21:29
Speaker 6: well out in Kimber's that's away from ever it genuinely
21:33
Speaker 6: makes no difference.
21:33
Speaker 7: It makes no difference whatsoever.
21:35
Speaker 6: But I have a suggestion for a place where all
21:39
Speaker 6: nuclear waste in Australia should go. And I think if
21:42
Speaker 6: we took a poll, the nation would be on board
21:44
Speaker 6: camera camera. It is the where all nuclear waste belongs
21:51
Speaker 6: naturally or.
21:53
Speaker 3: In the first class cabin of a quantity flight person
21:56
Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister has gained a free before. I mean,
21:59
Speaker 3: I've written before that anyone who opposes a nuclear waste
22:03
Speaker 3: dump being built in Australia should refuse all nuclear medicine,
22:07
Speaker 3: don't go for any X rays. Where do you think
22:09
Speaker 3: this waste comes from? Right, Like, we're not just creating
22:12
Speaker 3: it for giggles. It is from primarily medical procedures like
22:18
Speaker 3: X rays, And of course it will be generated in
22:20
Speaker 3: the building of nuclear submarines. Now those nuclear submarines, we're
22:24
Speaker 3: only talking about the waste that will be generated in
22:26
Speaker 3: the production of the submarines. At this point, when we
22:29
Speaker 3: actually commission them and have them floating around in the water,
22:33
Speaker 3: they will generate high level nuclear waste which will have
22:36
Speaker 3: to go and we don't have an answer for that
22:38
Speaker 3: at all yet. But I just reckon anyone who lives
22:41
Speaker 3: in Port Adelaide, who opposed a nuclear waste dump being
22:46
Speaker 3: built in kimber in a totally geologically stable place that
22:50
Speaker 3: the locals all supported. That was far away from most
22:54
Speaker 3: of the locals. Now they've got it in their backyard
22:57
Speaker 3: and they got exactly what they deserve for opposing it
23:00
Speaker 3: in the first place.
23:01
Speaker 4: What did you think was.
23:02
Speaker 5: Going to happen?
23:02
Speaker 4: And by the way, even though.
23:04
Speaker 3: The federal government says that they will only have low
23:07
Speaker 3: level waste at this particular dump, the legislation that they
23:11
Speaker 3: have passed to allow the dump does not specify what
23:15
Speaker 3: level of waste can be put there.
23:17
Speaker 4: True for all purposes, they.
23:19
Speaker 3: Could put high level waste there one day watch this space,
23:24
Speaker 3: let's go.
23:24
Speaker 6: But as I said, that would still be absolutely perfect.
23:28
Speaker 6: Quote Liz Storer, you can take my word?
23:30
Speaker 2: Can I just say, Liz store has had a massive
23:32
Speaker 2: week on the late debate. You have said you would
23:34
Speaker 2: like to be removed from the electoral role on account
23:37
Speaker 2: of being a woman, and you'd like to live next
23:38
Speaker 2: door to a nuclear waste facility.
23:42
Speaker 7: I said what I said, I stand by.
23:43
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, unfortunately for Liz, she rents if she actually owned
23:47
Speaker 3: property at the moment, she could just elect to have
23:49
Speaker 3: her property turned into a nuclear Waiste jump and make
23:51
Speaker 3: shd loads of money.
23:52
Speaker 6: I'll dig a basement and be like exactly, and we'd
23:56
Speaker 6: never see her on the Late Debate again because you'd
23:58
Speaker 6: have squillions and squillions and squillions of dollars do whatever
24:00
Speaker 6: the hell she wanted. Lit Hey da, if it means
24:02
Speaker 6: getting nuclear up and running in Australia, they can have
24:04
Speaker 6: my space for free.
24:05
Speaker 3: Let's go to the US now where you saw the
24:08
Speaker 3: other day, Donald Trump, of course did an interview with
24:11
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan on his podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience, which
24:14
Speaker 3: is one of the biggest podcasts in the world.
24:17
Speaker 5: And so the question has rightfully.
24:18
Speaker 3: Been asked, when is Kamala Harris going to do in
24:21
Speaker 3: appearance And it has nothing to do with the fact
24:23
Speaker 3: that Joe Rogan doesn't want her there. He has invited
24:26
Speaker 3: her to appear on the podcast, but she and her
24:29
Speaker 3: team have set down some ground rules about how it
24:32
Speaker 3: would operate. Now, keep in mind that Donald Trump went
24:36
Speaker 3: to Rogan's studio in Texas.
24:38
Speaker 5: He was interviewed for three.
24:40
Speaker 3: Hours, which is generally how long Rogan's podcast go for
24:44
Speaker 3: Nah not good enough for Kamala Harris, she must maintain control.
24:49
Speaker 3: Rogan said, for the record, the Harris campaign has not
24:52
Speaker 3: passed on doing the podcast. They offered a date for Tuesday,
24:56
Speaker 3: but I would have had to travel to her. I
25:00
Speaker 3: only wanted to do an hour. I strongly feel the
25:03
Speaker 3: best way to do it is in the studio in Austin.
25:06
Speaker 3: My sincere wish is to just have a nice conversation
25:10
Speaker 3: and get to know her as a human being. I
25:12
Speaker 3: really hope we can make it happen. He's tried to
25:15
Speaker 3: make it happen. He's made the offer and they've said no,
25:19
Speaker 3: it will only happen on her conditions.
25:21
Speaker 4: Well, why was it that Trump.
25:23
Speaker 3: Was unafraid to go to his studio, his territory and
25:27
Speaker 3: sit down and talk for three hours, but Kamala Harris won't.
25:32
Speaker 6: Hmm.
25:33
Speaker 4: I wonder why.
25:34
Speaker 3: Maybe because she couldn't fill in three hours of interview,
25:38
Speaker 3: Particularly knowing the way that Joe Rogan conducts his interviews.
25:42
Speaker 3: He doesn't go in there and let anyone get away
25:45
Speaker 3: with anything. It's a very conversational style of interview, right,
25:49
Speaker 3: and even more so than a formal, sit down, hard
25:53
Speaker 3: hitting interview. I think that is a space in which
25:57
Speaker 3: she would really struggle unless she's on friendly Tearror like
26:00
Speaker 3: that Call Her Daddy podcast that she did, because when
26:03
Speaker 3: you're asked to genuinely be you and you try to
26:07
Speaker 3: sell policies that you don't necessarily agree with, people see
26:11
Speaker 3: through it right away.
26:13
Speaker 4: She knows the danger.
26:15
Speaker 5: That there would be in going and doing.
26:16
Speaker 3: That podcast because she couldn't sit there for three hours
26:19
Speaker 3: and talk you know, about all and sundry like Donald
26:22
Speaker 3: Trump could, because she doesn't have a clue about all
26:24
Speaker 3: of it.
26:24
Speaker 2: And that's the problem. It's less of an interview and
26:26
Speaker 2: more of a conversation. And most politicians are really good
26:29
Speaker 2: with talking points. Well, Kamala Harris is a talking point machine.
26:32
Speaker 2: That's all she does. I was raised in a middle
26:35
Speaker 2: class family, and a three hour conversation is going to
26:39
Speaker 2: expose her because while Trump can explain himself, Kamala Harris
26:43
Speaker 2: is completely unable to explain herself. But the other interesting
26:47
Speaker 2: part about this, Liz, is that Kamala Harris really needs
26:50
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan right now. Ah, But Joe Rogan does not
26:53
Speaker 2: need her at all. Joe Rogan's podcast will continue successfully
26:57
Speaker 2: well after November, but Kamala harris may not, which is
27:02
Speaker 2: probably why politicians right around the world are so desperate
27:05
Speaker 2: to regulate online podcasts, blogs, social media because they no
27:13
Speaker 2: longer control the narrative. And Joe Rogan says, will you
27:16
Speaker 2: talk to me for three hours or you won't talk
27:18
Speaker 2: to me at all? And he's calling the shots, and
27:21
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan is like a what was he a school
27:24
Speaker 2: dropout who ended up imitating on UFC? He's dictating terms
27:29
Speaker 2: to the US Vice president Democrat candidate.
27:33
Speaker 6: To be clear, Joe Rogan has the most listened to
27:35
Speaker 6: podcast in the world. He gets millions and millions of
27:39
Speaker 6: people tuning in every single week for the most fascinating conversations.
27:43
Speaker 6: Like Caleb said, most of them are three hours long,
27:47
Speaker 6: so it's a long form conversation with some of the
27:49
Speaker 6: most famous.
27:50
Speaker 7: People on the planet.
27:51
Speaker 6: And Kamala could have really done with this, but her
27:55
Speaker 6: team knows better. When you have someone like Trump and
28:00
Speaker 6: jd Van see, their campaign is very smart. Trump and
28:03
Speaker 6: Jdevans have gone on a podcast spree. This is not
28:08
Speaker 6: the first podcast Trump has done. Certainly the most famous
28:11
Speaker 6: Jade Vance last week when on a podcast with theovon
28:15
Speaker 6: who is the most hilarious comedian? He's very sacrilegious, and
28:20
Speaker 6: so most of the time they just spent it laughing
28:23
Speaker 6: their heads off. But the amount of people who watch
28:26
Speaker 6: that on the Theovon podcast instead of Jdevans, I can't
28:30
Speaker 6: believe I was ever told by the mainstream media.
28:33
Speaker 7: That this guy was a weirdo. He's hilarious.
28:36
Speaker 6: He's just sitting around with Theovon talking for ages about
28:40
Speaker 6: releasing the Epstein client list and all these really interesting things.
28:45
Speaker 6: Kamala's team knows that she can't do this because how
28:48
Speaker 6: many times have we seen her, even in short form
28:51
Speaker 6: interviews on mainstream media like CNN, refer people to her
28:56
Speaker 6: website When she is asked about her policy, she'll be like, oh,
29:00
Speaker 6: I've got over eighty pages.
29:02
Speaker 7: On my website.
29:03
Speaker 6: I know I'm referring you to a website, but that's
29:07
Speaker 6: what you got to do. No, it's not because if
29:09
Speaker 6: you stand on principle and you have convictions about anything,
29:14
Speaker 6: and you haven't changed half of your policies, if not more,
29:17
Speaker 6: in order to run for president, you know exactly what
29:20
Speaker 6: you're going to say about any given topic. That's how
29:23
Speaker 6: they've been shown up once again.
29:26
Speaker 7: Trump and JD.
29:26
Speaker 6: Evans have been dancing through these podcasts having a whale
29:29
Speaker 6: of a time. Millions of people, not just Americans, people
29:33
Speaker 6: around the world have watched these and gone, these.
29:36
Speaker 7: Guys are lads. I really like them.
29:37
Speaker 6: They can really hold their own. The Kamala campaign has
29:41
Speaker 6: done the only thing that they could do in this situation,
29:45
Speaker 6: which is decline, by setting parameters that the new Rogan
29:48
Speaker 6: could never agree to.
29:50
Speaker 7: And it's.
29:52
Speaker 3: Oh, I've lost my train of thought. There, you've done
29:55
Speaker 3: me over, Liz. I was going to say something, but
30:01
Speaker 3: I not remembering what I was going to say. I'll
30:03
Speaker 3: give you a funny line that I'm sure I've used
30:05
Speaker 3: before that the only convictions Kamala Harris has are the ones.
30:09
Speaker 5: She achieved as a prosecutor.
30:11
Speaker 4: Speaking of going.
30:12
Speaker 3: Back to Kamala Harris, she went today to give a
30:15
Speaker 3: speech at the same location where Donald Trump gave his
30:18
Speaker 3: last speech before the capital was stormed on January sixteen,
30:22
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. And of course, you know they try
30:25
Speaker 3: to say it was the insurrection it setha Now. She
30:28
Speaker 3: started off by saying, look, what we really need in
30:31
Speaker 3: America right now is to do away with the division.
30:37
Speaker 10: America. For too long, we have been consumed with too
30:41
Speaker 10: much division, chaos, and mutual distrust. And it can be
30:46
Speaker 10: easy then to forget a simple truth. It doesn't have
30:51
Speaker 10: to be this way. It doesn't have to be this way.
30:56
Speaker 10: It is time to stop pointing figures. We have to
31:01
Speaker 10: stop pointing fingers and start locking arms. It is time
31:07
Speaker 10: to turn the page on the drama and the conflict,
31:12
Speaker 10: the fear and division.
31:16
Speaker 3: The conflict, the fear of the division, it all has
31:18
Speaker 3: to go out of the window, which is why in
31:21
Speaker 3: the next breath she brought up the fake insurrection again.
31:26
Speaker 7: We know who Donald Trump is.
31:29
Speaker 10: He is the person who stood at this very spot
31:33
Speaker 10: nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to
31:38
Speaker 10: the United States Capital to overturn the will of the
31:43
Speaker 10: people in a free and fair election.
31:47
Speaker 3: I mean, please, you cannot in the first instance. So
31:51
Speaker 3: we had to do away with the division and the
31:53
Speaker 3: fear and then say that Trump sent an armed mob
31:57
Speaker 3: to the Capitol even though he had plead with people
32:01
Speaker 3: to be peaceful. She is flat out lying and like
32:05
Speaker 3: much as we'll get to Waltz and all this stuff
32:07
Speaker 3: about the Trump being a Nazi in a minute, but
32:11
Speaker 3: they try to sell themselves. We can't have the division anymore.
32:14
Speaker 3: We've got a unite We've got to bring America back.
32:17
Speaker 3: But then they go straight to the grab bag. Trump
32:20
Speaker 3: is hitler, Trump tried to stage an insurrection, He's a fascist,
32:24
Speaker 3: he's a threat to democracy. I mean, that's a great
32:27
Speaker 3: version of just not having the division, isn't it.
32:30
Speaker 2: I mean it's just shameless. You know, We've got to
32:31
Speaker 2: stop pointing the finger. And then she went on to
32:33
Speaker 2: use terms like Trump is a petty tyrant, he's a
32:36
Speaker 2: want to be dictator, he's obsessed with revenge. I'll go
32:40
Speaker 2: to the White House with a to do list, He'll
32:42
Speaker 2: go to the White House with a to get you list.
32:44
Speaker 2: It's just absolutely shameless, and they don't even pretend or apologize.
32:48
Speaker 7: But that's all they've got.
32:50
Speaker 6: And I tell you who hasn't gotten Kamala Harris's new
32:54
Speaker 6: memo about oh, we're going to clamp.
32:56
Speaker 7: Down on the divisive stuff.
32:57
Speaker 6: Now we are the UNITEDS and we are bringing thee
33:00
Speaker 6: together and that's our message to the American people. Her
33:04
Speaker 6: VP running mate Tim Waltz does not seem to have
33:08
Speaker 6: gotten this change of heart memo from the Harris Biden administration,
33:13
Speaker 6: because here he is earlier this week, same old stick,
33:17
Speaker 6: comparing Trump's Madison Garden rally, which was ginormous in New York,
33:24
Speaker 6: once again comparing it to a Hitler rally because he
33:28
Speaker 6: once had a rally in Madison Square Gardens too.
33:32
Speaker 9: Donald Trump has descended into madness over the last few weeks.
33:35
Speaker 9: And I think some of you don't miss on this.
33:37
Speaker 9: Go do your google on this. Donald Trump's got this
33:39
Speaker 9: big rally going at Madison Square Garden. There's a direct
33:44
Speaker 9: parallel to a big rally that happened in the mid
33:46
Speaker 9: nineteen thirties at Madison Square Garden. And don't think that
33:50
Speaker 9: he doesn't know for one second exactly what they're doing there.
33:54
Speaker 6: Speaking of descending into madness, this is what the.
33:56
Speaker 7: Dems have come to.
33:58
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, do you drink water? You know who
34:01
Speaker 6: else strength water?
34:02
Speaker 7: Hitler? That is how desperate they are.
34:06
Speaker 6: That is how grasping at straws this campaign has become.
34:10
Speaker 6: Now after the Madison Square Garden rally, Tim Waltz was
34:15
Speaker 6: asked again, do you still back that up? Now that
34:18
Speaker 6: the rally is done and dusted, Nothing bad happened. Plenty
34:23
Speaker 6: of Jews were in attendance, people of all kinds of
34:26
Speaker 6: shapes and colors and nationalities that certainly would not have
34:30
Speaker 6: attended a Nazi rally.
34:32
Speaker 7: Were there?
34:32
Speaker 6: It was a packed house at this rally. Do you
34:35
Speaker 6: want to maybe reconsider your comments?
34:39
Speaker 7: You stand by the comparison, though, to a Nazi rally.
34:42
Speaker 9: Look the rally. You saw it for yourself. I'll let
34:44
Speaker 9: the American public make the decision of what they saw.
34:46
Speaker 9: What about you, though, So I know what I saw,
34:48
Speaker 9: and I'll just leave it at that.
34:50
Speaker 6: I know what I saw, and it was obviously a
34:52
Speaker 6: Nazi rally, like I said.
34:53
Speaker 7: It would be.
34:54
Speaker 6: So Hitler wasn't actually at this rally all those many
34:57
Speaker 6: years ago, but there was a Nazi rally that place at.
35:00
Speaker 7: Madison Square Gardens.
35:02
Speaker 6: And that is how these guys are running with this nonsense.
35:05
Speaker 6: Well it's a copy paste scenario. I mean, you've seen
35:08
Speaker 6: it there for yourself. Couldn't back it up with a
35:12
Speaker 6: single example of how this might have had anything to
35:17
Speaker 6: do with or resemble in any way said Nazi rally.
35:20
Speaker 6: He just says, well, I know what I saw, and
35:22
Speaker 6: I'm sure people watching saw it too, and we're supposed
35:26
Speaker 6: to know what he's referring tonight.
35:27
Speaker 3: I ask you, James, you're a big fan of Billy Joel. Yeah,
35:31
Speaker 3: Billy Joel has performed at Madison Square Garden, has he not?
35:34
Speaker 2: Which really worries me. Was that a Nazi rally? I've
35:37
Speaker 2: seen the New York Knicks play at Madison Square Gardens
35:40
Speaker 2: the Nazi rally.
35:42
Speaker 6: They drink water because Hitler drank water.
35:44
Speaker 2: But I mean, speak of people not getting the memoy.
35:47
Speaker 2: It gets even worse, right as if whilst talking about
35:50
Speaker 2: this being a Nazi party at Madison Square Garden, then
35:53
Speaker 2: Joe Biden ups the ante even further and literally calls
35:57
Speaker 2: half the country garbage.
36:00
Speaker 9: Puerto Rico, where I'm in my home state of Delaware
36:03
Speaker 9: for good, decent, honorable people.
36:05
Speaker 10: The only garbage I see floating down there is just orders.
36:10
Speaker 9: Now.
36:11
Speaker 2: Of course, Donald Trump had a brilliant retort to that.
36:15
Speaker 1: Remember Hillary, she said deplorable and then she said irredeemable. Right,
36:20
Speaker 1: but she said deplorable. That didn't work out. Garbage, I
36:23
Speaker 1: think is worse, right. But he doesn't know. You have
36:25
Speaker 1: to please forgive him, Please forgive him, for he not
36:31
Speaker 1: knoweth what he said these people. It's terrible, terrible, terrible
36:36
Speaker 1: to say a thing like that. But he really doesn't know,
36:38
Speaker 1: he really honestly, he doesn't. And I'm convinced that he
36:42
Speaker 1: likes me more than he likes Kamala.
36:46
Speaker 2: Donald Trump being very gracious there, Joe Biden ends fifty
36:49
Speaker 2: years in public life by describing half the country as garbage.
36:53
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
36:54
Speaker 2: we'll look at what's making us tomorrow, Including Anthony Albaneze.
36:57
Speaker 2: He tries to explain those count to upgrades. His explanation
37:02
Speaker 2: only serves to raise more questions. That's coming up in
37:04
Speaker 2: just a moment. Welcome back. Well, let's look at what's
37:09
Speaker 2: making news tomorrow. Caleb and Liz Anthony Albanese's quantus relationship
37:14
Speaker 2: has been used for a few days, and it's going
37:16
Speaker 2: to be news again tomorrow.
37:18
Speaker 6: It is so easy to put these things to bead.
37:21
Speaker 6: Just say sorry, own the mistake, instead of waiting five
37:24
Speaker 6: days to give a carefully worded response that answers nothing
37:28
Speaker 6: but no. That's what his team has decided to go with.
37:31
Speaker 6: The splash reads no call to Joyce seeking upgrade Pim's
37:35
Speaker 6: carefully worded defense or should we say lack They're off.
37:38
Speaker 6: Anthony Albanezi has ruled out ever having called Alan Joyce
37:42
Speaker 6: to seek a flight upgrade in a carefully worded statement,
37:45
Speaker 6: issued five days after the Prime Minister was embroiled in
37:49
Speaker 6: controversy over whether he used his relationship with the former
37:53
Speaker 6: Quantus chief executive for personal gain and made decisions in
37:56
Speaker 6: government that benefited the airline.
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Speaker 7: It's ruled out I never called him.
38:02
Speaker 6: Doesn't mean you didn't text him, doesn't mean you didn't
38:05
Speaker 6: email him, doesn't mean you didn't send a carrier pigeon
38:08
Speaker 6: or get one of your staff to call one of
38:10
Speaker 6: his staff. I mean, it really clarifies absolutely nothing.
38:14
Speaker 5: But it's not a matter of who he called.
38:17
Speaker 4: It's a matter of whether he called anyone at all.
38:22
Speaker 3: Right, we're not talking although actually I was going to
38:25
Speaker 3: say we're not talking about with or not he received freebies,
38:28
Speaker 3: because Paul outlined at the beginning of his program tonight
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Speaker 3: how even if he had accepted unsolicited freebies when he
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Speaker 3: was Transport Minister, that could be a breach of the
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Speaker 3: ministerial coast. Yes, but a lot of this has centered
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Speaker 3: around whether or not he solicited freebes from Quantus. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter whether he spoke to Alan Joyce or anyone
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Speaker 3: else at Quantas. And you will note he has not
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Speaker 3: denied ever soliciting a freebie from Quantus. All he has
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Speaker 3: denied is calling Alan Joe to get a freebie from Quantus.
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Speaker 3: He could have put out a statement and say I
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Speaker 3: have never contacted anyone from Quantus to ask for an upgrade.
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Speaker 3: It's all he had to say, I've never done it.
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Speaker 3: It would put it to bed. I mean, of course
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Speaker 3: then we'd want the receipts and.
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Speaker 6: That he has his staff anyone that that would.
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Speaker 4: Put it to bed. So why has he not said that?
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Speaker 4: Is the first question.
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Speaker 3: And I think the other thing as well that we
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Speaker 3: haven't talked about as much, but I think is really
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Speaker 3: important in all of this is it's one thing for
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Speaker 3: politicians to receive or solicit freebies, but it is this
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Speaker 3: particular industry, the airline industry, over which the federal government
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Speaker 3: has so much control, and as a result of that control,
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Speaker 3: can decide, in effect, how much you and I pay
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Speaker 3: for flights. And what we're talking about here is a
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Speaker 3: transport minister allegedly soliciting cheaper flights than he would otherwise
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Speaker 3: pay for, while also then making decisions that can affect
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Speaker 3: how much you and I pay for a flight. That's
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Speaker 3: the problem here, made It's got nothing to do with
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Speaker 3: whether you've got a free be out of quantas. We
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Speaker 3: know lots of politicians have had a free be out
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Speaker 3: of quantas. It's whether you asked for it while you
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Speaker 3: had control over that market.
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Speaker 4: It affects us. It's not just about whether.
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Speaker 5: You've got a couple of free drinks in the air.
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Speaker 3: It actually affects you and me because we pay certain
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Speaker 3: prices for flights based on how many operators there are
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Speaker 3: in the market and who decides is in the market.
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Speaker 5: The Transport Minister that.
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Speaker 2: The other contrast that was really interesting today was so
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Speaker 2: you've got Anthoni Albanzi saying I never called Allan Joyce,
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Speaker 2: which is too clever by half. And then you've got
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Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Tony Abbott saying I declined the offer
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Speaker 2: of an upgrade, saying you know what, I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to receive that because it would be inappropriate. That's what
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albaneze should have done in the first place, if
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Speaker 2: it was offered. Of course, the suggestion is he solicited.
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Speaker 2: But for this to have gone on for five days ah,
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Speaker 2: And now finally a statement has been put out and
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Speaker 2: the statement is clearly very very careful, using limited and
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Speaker 2: very specific language so as not to get themselves into trouble.
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Speaker 2: But of course it's just created more trouble now and
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Speaker 2: it's on the front page of The Australian tomorrow and
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Speaker 2: I suspect this will not be the final front page
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Speaker 2: article on this topic.
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Speaker 6: Well that's what you're doing by not putting it to bed.
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Speaker 6: Where is this guy's PR team?
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Speaker 4: Just kill it?
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Speaker 7: Just kill it.
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Speaker 6: There's no other way to do it, but accept responsibility
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Speaker 6: for what clearly went on to.
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Speaker 7: The second splash on the front of.
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Speaker 6: The ODDS pig headed know it Alls, adding insult to illness.
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Speaker 6: Victorian's concerned about COVID nineteen lockdowns were branded pig headed
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Speaker 6: know it Alls in a mystery email the Allen government
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Speaker 6: has been ordered to release after losing an eighteen month
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Speaker 6: fight to keep it secret.
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean.
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Speaker 6: Like the report out of Victoria hasn't been damning enough
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Speaker 6: and like we didn't know it would be.
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Speaker 7: We now find out there was name calling involved. Why
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Speaker 7: fit in.
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Speaker 6: An eighteen month fight as well to get emails that
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Speaker 6: pertained to these decisions which affected thousands and thousands millions
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Speaker 6: of Victorians And now we get to read one and
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Speaker 6: your name calling people for railing against the longest lockdown
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Speaker 6: in the world. That's what these people really think of.
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Speaker 7: You don't forget that.
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Speaker 2: Can I just say we were called a lot worse
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Speaker 2: by various state police ministers, state premiers, and state health
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Speaker 2: chief officials. But that the hilarious part of this story
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Speaker 2: is for eighteen months they fought to keep this email
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Speaker 2: secret because they thought it would be contrary to the
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Speaker 2: public interest to I love that line, So it would
42:46
Speaker 2: hurt our feelings too much if we read that they
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Speaker 2: were calling us pigheaded.
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Speaker 5: No at all.
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Speaker 4: And it's also.
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Speaker 3: Worth noting that these emails were between the state government
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Speaker 3: and a research firm that they were going to to
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Speaker 3: obviously ask about public sentiment about what the government was doing,
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Speaker 3: because as we know, so many of these decisions during
43:05
Speaker 3: COVID were not about health.
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Speaker 4: They were political.
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Speaker 3: Decisions, and in those dealings, well, you were pig headed.
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Speaker 3: No it alls, that's exactly what Daniel Andrews and his
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Speaker 3: government thought of you. Let's go to the Cam's post now,
43:19
Speaker 3: where there's another equally ridiculous story, Marathon deformation battle. This
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Speaker 3: thing went on for about five years. Eanes's defendants ordered
43:27
Speaker 3: to pay five hundred k Jibber Jabber bust great headline.
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Speaker 3: A lengthy defamation battle over a cartoon depicting an LGAQ
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Speaker 3: boss that's the Local Government Association of Queensland as Jabba
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Speaker 3: the Hut and associated posts has ended with a court
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Speaker 3: ordering the payment of more than five hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 3: in damages. Now we're talking about a former MP in
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Speaker 3: Queensland who is now a counselor, who put up a
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Speaker 3: cartoon on line depicting this boss from the LGAQ as
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Speaker 3: Jabba the Hut and basically suggesting that he had been
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Speaker 3: involved in some sort of corrupt conduct. He then went
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Speaker 3: on to post thirty other posts in which the bloke
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Speaker 3: was not named, but the court has ruled there was
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Speaker 3: an obvious connection between those posts and the Jabba the
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Speaker 3: Hut cartoon. Now, for heaven's sake, I understand that the
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Speaker 3: LGAQ boss might be aggrieved that an XMP, now a counselor,
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Speaker 3: put something on social media depicting him as Jabba the
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Speaker 3: Hat that suggested he might have done something corrupt? Is
44:39
Speaker 3: that worth five hundred thousand dollars? I suspect not. And
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Speaker 3: I tell you what if I were the boss of
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Speaker 3: the LGAQ, I would be really upset. As we were
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Speaker 3: talking about earlier James that the judge in this case
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Speaker 3: actually found that when the boss rocked up to court
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Speaker 3: there were obvious physical similarity.
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Speaker 4: Between him and jab of the Hut.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think we might have an image
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Speaker 2: of Jabba the Hut for viewers who aren't familiar with
45:05
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. He's a Star Wars character associated
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Speaker 2: with corruption. That was the premise for the defamation thing.
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Speaker 2: My favorite part about this story is that one of
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Speaker 2: the defendants who's now been ordered to pay up right
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Speaker 2: is a former Greens MP, Rod Pine. He was interviewed
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Speaker 2: in the Cans Posts, so he's been ordered to pay
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Speaker 2: money right. This is what he says. He said he
45:27
Speaker 2: could not afford to pay the damages because he was
45:29
Speaker 2: a socialist quote and not really into the accumulation of
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Speaker 2: wealth to be honest.
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Speaker 3: Good.
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Speaker 6: All I know is any cartoonists out there, I need
45:41
Speaker 6: you to draw me as a depiction of Jabba the Hut.
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Speaker 7: I would love half a lazy million dollars.
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Speaker 6: I mean, someone, please just paint me, draw me however
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Speaker 6: you like, in a really, really unflattering light.
45:54
Speaker 4: I beg you.
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Speaker 2: Where to go to a break, will we come back
45:58
Speaker 2: a US court us to rule theph are people. That's
46:01
Speaker 2: coming up at a moment.
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Speaker 4: About jebb the Heart.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, the animal rights group in the US
46:09
Speaker 2: wants to free five elephants from a Colorado zoo. So
46:13
Speaker 2: they've gone to the Supreme Court arguing that the court
46:16
Speaker 2: should rule these elephants are persons deserving of human rights.
46:22
Speaker 2: They say that if the elephants you can see them there,
46:25
Speaker 2: have human rights, then they deserve emancipation as slaves would
46:30
Speaker 2: be emancipated, or as women in abuse of marriages. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's funny about this story is that the US Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court Justice Melissa Hart, orso the Colorado Supreme Court Justice
46:41
Speaker 2: Melissa Hart, she has declined to rule that these elephants
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Speaker 2: are persons. But this is her reason. She said, if
46:47
Speaker 2: I ruled that these elephants of persons deserving of freedom,
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Speaker 2: what does that mean for the cats and dogs of America?
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Speaker 2: They'll all be demanding to be emancipated.
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Speaker 3: Right across want to be emancipated from the people of Springfield, Ohio.
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Speaker 3: All I can say for the people who've run this
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Speaker 3: case is that they are a bunch of dumbos.
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Speaker 6: Well, trust me, I've got a master's degree in human
47:10
Speaker 6: rights and there were people in my classes who would
47:12
Speaker 6: have absolutely agreed with this case and said that the
47:16
Speaker 6: elephant should be released. Well, the British artesianal cheese community
47:21
Speaker 6: are reeling after what they are calling the Great Cheese
47:24
Speaker 6: Heist of twenty twenty four. Get this, Some crims have
47:29
Speaker 6: broken into a major cheese distributor and stolen thousands of
47:34
Speaker 6: pounds of posh cheddar. Here's famous cook Jamie Oliver, known
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Speaker 6: to everyone man who needs no introduction, just.
47:43
Speaker 7: Being like, well, hang in a minute, what are your
47:45
Speaker 7: flogs going to do with that much cheese?
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Speaker 11: One of the best cheddar cheese in the world has
47:52
Speaker 11: been stolen. Twenty two tonsworth has been stolen from some
47:56
Speaker 11: I don't know robbers that basically pretended to be a
47:59
Speaker 11: French super market and basically done Niel's Yard dairy over.
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Speaker 11: I mean, I don't know what they're going to do
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Speaker 11: with it, really, I mean, are they going to like
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Speaker 11: unpeel it with the cloth and then cut it, cut
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Speaker 11: the skins off and grate it and get rid of it.
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Speaker 11: In the fast food industry, in the commercial industry, I
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Speaker 11: don't know. I mean, it seems like a really weird
48:17
Speaker 11: thing to Nick.
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Speaker 7: That's a lot of cheese. Do you know a lot
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Speaker 7: of cheese lovers that you're going to? Howk it on Facebook? Marketplace?
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Speaker 7: What's the game here?
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Speaker 3: Well, don't look in my garage for the next few days,
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Speaker 3: would be my advice.
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Speaker 4: I could get through that much cheese.
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Speaker 3: Like, if I thought I could pull that crime off,
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Speaker 3: I reckon I would do it, and I would have
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Speaker 3: no trouble getting through that amount of cheese.
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Speaker 2: Well, on that note, that's it from us, but don't
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Speaker 2: go anywhere. Coming up in just a moment is the
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Speaker 2: Rina pinnaheesho. Stay tuned.