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Episode #92: NBA Hall of Famer Speaks Out · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Let's let's say if you're an all-star level player, you my guess is you're calling your shots.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: If you walk into the front office and say, listen, I'm not doing this.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: I won't say it.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_02: If you won't say it, everybody's gonna wink and go, got it.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: If you're somebody clawing for clawing to try to get on a team or trying to stay in that last little group, you've gotten no chance.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: No chance.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: They're either gonna say, look, take it or leave it, buddy.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: There's 20, 2,500 people at the door that'll take your job in a blink of an eye, and you know it anyway.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's that's the nature of the game, is if until you get kind of established, you're so replaceable, it's easy.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm here with everyone's favorite farmer, Joel Salatin.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today we have a very special guest.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have John Stockton.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is a 19-year NBA career basketball player.
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  SPEAKER_00: All his career was with the Utah Jazz.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: He is a two-time gold medalist.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of you might remember him from the 1992 dream team.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stockton was selected to be on the first U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Olympic basketball team that featured professional players.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that dream team went on to win the gold medal, uh, win the gold medal in Barcelona.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he returned to the Olympic team for a second gold medal in Atlanta.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now John has helped um find this group called or create this group called Voices for Medical Freedom.
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  SPEAKER_00: John, welcome to the show.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Sydney.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad to be here.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: So this is really exciting for us.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: We've never had an athlete on before, especially not one of your caliber.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, my first question for you is you've helped to create this group called Voices for Medical Freedom.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: And this is largely a group where you're trying to support people who basically want to stand up for our right to choose what we do to our bodies, right?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: No matter what your belief is, whether you believe in the COVID jab or you don't believe in it, it's really irrelevant.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: The concept of this organization that you're helping to create is really let's stand for our freedom, let's stand for our right to choose what happens to us.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: So my question, my first question for you is you were a loved athlete, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: People loved you, they thought very highly of you, you have a great reputation in the athletic world and beyond.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: This organization that you've created is arguably controversial.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: So why now?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you choosing to kind of stick your neck out now to help build this organ, this community or tribe, if you will?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what you mentioned to begin with, first of all, athletes, you're an athlete.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: You you have to take care of the vessel.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're it's your livelihood, it's what you love.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: Everything about it comes from how you take care of your body.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_02: So we spend a lot of time being aware of our body, working on it, uh, finding out what the little tweaks are that make it work better and or what makes it worse, and avoid those things.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: So that's the background.
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  SPEAKER_02: So COVID hits, and we and we just see the trouble in this all along.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's uh the manufactured aspect of the whole deal.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: We we don't we can get into that if you want to, but then they force shots on you.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: These things are toxic, um, just to put it mildly, uh, they're a poison and they're forcing it into our bodies, they're forcing it as a as a means to go to work, means to do what we love, means to see our loved ones.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's just, I mean, I I did enough watching a TV with my dad, and we watch a lot of old uh Hitler movies and and watch what the Nazi regime was doing, and they tested people, and that's stuck in my head my entire life.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_02: So here this comes, and the and we're being experimented on in a in a massive way, worldwide, and it's a worldwide sales pitch to to force these down our throats.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: And you have to buck a little bit, you just have to look, say something's wrong here.
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  SPEAKER_02: These are our vessels, you have no right to it.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: You have no right to force an injection, you have no right to force masks, and and something is just deathly wrong with it.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: So, Ken Redgers, he's a uh Green Bay Packer Hall of Fame offensive lineman, won uh won the Super Bowl there with the Packers, and Mike Fisher, a 19-year veteran with in the NHL hockey, got together and said, Listen, we word's not getting out.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we need to get athletes together.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: Let's face it, if if if three or four current really good athletes stepped up and said, This is a bunch of baloney, it would stop, but we can't get them to do it.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: There's so much at stake for their career, so much money, so much um reputation that that there haven't been a lot of people that have been willing to do that.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: So we've been reaching out to former athletes, current athletes, actors, and entertainers to say, listen, you want to sit in a safe place and have conversations and learn while you're while you're fighting for your personal freedoms that that the Bill of Rights guarantees us, you can learn about the facts from very, very, very smart people, not us, the people we're learning from, to know how bad these these injections are and be able to communicate that with your friends and family as well and try to build up a community.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what it started as and kind of what it's continuing as.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: I I have a I'd like to jump in, Cena, if I may, on that angle.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: The uh Cena and I both are are fairly politically we're we're fairly libertarian.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so uh my my problem with the COVID uh uh jab requirements early on, you know, as as libertarians, we always, you know, the the old axiom is um your freedom ends when your fist hits my nose, you know.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you can do whatever you want to, but when you're when your fist hits my nose, then you know, then it doesn't work.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: And but we were told, um John, we were told throughout this ordeal that if I didn't wear a mask, I would make you sick.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh if I didn't get the jab, I was basically a a um you know a typhoid Mary.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was and so the the narrative was that that when I didn't take the jab or wear the mask, my fist was hitting your nose.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: And and could you could you take that apart for us a little bit in in how you respond to that kind of argument?
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: I try to use a mosaic of of uh mosaic theory of figuring out what the truth is, all right.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: So it's funny you talked about the masks and the gem, they kind of fit in the same category.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I I've had a friend that made a lot of money inventing masks for the early SARS breakout.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: When was that in you know late 1900s, whatever?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I've seen the mask.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: There's a micron level that's required in order to keep a virus out.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: Viruses are so small that the current masks are like using a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's it's that absurd, it's that absolutely that absurd.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so I've seen the mask with the with the appropriate micron level, and it's I I've got one in my house.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a full gas mask, it's got a little tube that comes out like this.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: It it's way over the top of what we're seeing.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: So these masks don't work, plain and simple.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: I also saw a uh vaccines revealed movie where these two women got on there and they were the experts that OSHA asks to come teach classes on the safety and the proper usage of masks for people that must, whether you're in a laboratory or you're in a surgical situation.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: And these two one was for the military, that's what the military checks out, and the other one's for OSHA.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: And they both get in and tell us how unsafe these masks are, even for people that need to use them every day in that in that structure.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things they said is oxygen level drops.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: And if we lose, and especially for kids, if there's even a 5% reduction in your oxygen level for a small child, you're losing development opportunities in your brain.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same for adults, it's it's very restricting how you breathe, which if you remember from any medical days that you've been around, is that when you have come out of surgery, they want you taking those deep breaths because otherwise you're you're at risk for taking pneumonia.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: So now we put old people in masks and they're taking these short breaths.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they're gonna be they're gonna be more prone to pneumonia and other things.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: Then there's a CO2 buildup.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we all know that that that's unhealthy for us.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's all there's all kinds anyway.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Common sense tells you the masks aren't gonna work.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: Common sense tells you the masks are dangerous for you, and yet they force them down our throats, which is all is is illegal and uh makes no sense.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Come up to the jabs.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the the uh I have a long background now in trying to seek out jabs.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: I was on the medical side for a long time, and my first three children were were vaccinated, kind of according to the schedule.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: We had three when I was a kid, and uh now there's what 75?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's an incredible number.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they tell you that they're safe and effective, and they can tell you that after what two weeks of testing.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: When I took an anti-inflammant tent, when I was playing, I took an anti-inflammant tint for a year and a half, different ones for uh for a uh a tinnanitis I had in the lateral part of my leg.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: And they two of them have been banned.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Two of those products have been banned.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is after nine, 10 years of testing, they did it to determine that they were safe.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now, in actual usage on athletes, it was hurting people's hearts, and so they ended up being banned.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: So to trust the notion that that a poison injected in your body can be safe and effective at any time, again, is absurd.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't make any sense.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: So um, I don't common sense has got to be a big factor in this, Joel, to answer your question.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: And and it didn't pass any of those tests from the get-go.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so how are you are athletes coming to you in droves, like to join this community that you're creating?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or are you having a hard time getting athletes, you know, to speak out?
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Will they come to you in private?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Or like what has the success been like for Voices for Medical Freedom?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: What's funny?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: We've been approached by dozens of groups trying to get athletes to speak out for just like what you're talking about.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, Ken and I kind of chuckle because we're the ones doing most of that, most of the talking.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: We chuckle because people don't realize how difficult it is to reach athletes.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: When I was playing, if you weren't, if you weren't related, good luck trying to get me on the phone.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: It just you you you build this cocoon around yourself because there's so many people that that seemingly want in and they want a piece of that that whatever that is, that it's uh that you're really resistant to it.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: So it's difficult even for us to reach athletes.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's difficult to get the topic far enough along when we do reach them to make any inroads to it.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: So it hasn't been an enormous success, the recruitment process.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's been a little bit frustrating in ways because you hear that even when you do reach people, spend an hour and a half on the phone with an old friend that I played with or a guy that I have a relationship that's currently playing, and you have that discussion, spend an hour and a half on the phone, and they say, Well, well, I don't know.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: I can't step out because that cancel culture and understanding that if you refuse, you're missing out on million-dollar salary, millions and millions of dollars of salary, endorsements.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, people are afraid of the abuse that comes because you get some arrows without a doubt, and uh it's pretty limiting.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you if you were in your prime, you know, in your NBA career, and it was during this whole COVID and the mandate and them pushing the vaccines on the athletes, what do you think you would have done?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you think you would have stood up and said no?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Or because I can I can see the dilemma, right?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Their whole career is on the line, their you know, livelihood is on the line.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said, you they don't want to get that bad press.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like they may not get picked up the next year, you know, for a team.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: So they could really be ending their whole career.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: So if you had to a theoretical situation put yourself in their shoes, what do you think you might do?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it would come from what part of my career it was in.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I when I started out, our set my salary was$80,000 a year, which is no joke, but compared to what guys are doing now, that's it's almost laughable, right?
• 12:34
  unknown: Yeah.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and there was no notoriety.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: And but what I would say is, I mean, as it's as it stood, I took the flu shot in my early years and I thought that was the best thing.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: I completely trusted medicine.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: My mom was a nurse, my sister was a nurse, completely trusted it.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Then you learned that the flu shot, for example, most of most all of them have mercury, aluminum, formaldef, formaldehyde, neomycin, i mean, uh other viruses because they can't pop properly cleanse out, clean out the viruses.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: So, and then plus I got really sick.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was in my fourth year or something, took the flu shot of fourth year.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: I got deathly sick, and I spent two days at a hospital in Charlotte.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, missed my game, missed my first games in my career because of it.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I go, wow, I thought this was supposed to protect me from it.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: And and then I talked with the chiropractor friend, he was a team team chiropractor who I had my doubts about when we first started there.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: And and uh he said, maybe you should think about not doing vaccines either for yourself, or by that time we were starting to have children.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I go, Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, buddy.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't want my kids to get these things.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so again, I didn't have complete faith in him.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I early on to answer your question, I I have to probably say that I would have taught taken it without thinking, hey doc, you think I need this?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: Fine, let's go.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: When's the next game?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: What time to practice?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: My thinking would have been that short, and um, and thank God it didn't come up then.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: After that, after I got sick, after I started getting those little inputs from our chiropractor saying, hey, think about it.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then he handed me a book.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: I read that, and I go, Well, that's interesting.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: Read another book on vaccines.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, suddenly it became really easy to not.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, probably my last 14 years, I would say, no way, Jose.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the uh the the story, the story of uh whatever, of illumination uh is always a fascinating thing.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: And Cena and I and Cena and I, you know, uh deal with people uh, you know, individual we certainly do on our farm.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Our customers come and it I never I never tire uh somebody comes in because you know when somebody buys food from us, they're not buying it from Walmart, they're not buying it from you know conventional sources, so something has to trip over in their in their heads to make them seek alternatives.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And and 98% of the time, it's it's some it's some uh specific experience.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: They either got sick, a friend got sick, uh there's some traumatic individual experience.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: People don't just um people don't just break out of routine because they decide I'm gonna break out of routine.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and and so uh so your story is so your catalyst was just getting sick from the flu shot, and it follows that whole narrative that that you know we don't break out of routines, do we?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, and I may be a little bit even more stubborn than most.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I mean I had a just a flu shot stand on that topic for a moment.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Was it 35 years later?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: My dad's 83 years old, and he gets the flu shot three years in a row.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I you know, I my sister and I, she's a nurse, and and we uh we talked about it a little bit.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: We said, Oh yeah, he's old, he's vulnerable, you know, let's do it.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Three times in a row, he goes into sepsis right after the shot.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: So that's 35 years removed from my learning process.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: And when I when I kind of transitioned, I don't know if you want to use that word anymore, but um made that move, and now all of us see it.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you my dad immediately he spent a month in the hospital three years in a row after getting the flu shot, you know, supposedly to save him.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean that that's so obvious.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: But another catalyst for me was I had a son um got his shots when he was four.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: I guess that's when the next level of him comes out.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: He breaks out in a in a blistery thing on his hands.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: And uh boy, I didn't by that time again, I'm starting to ask questions.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I go back to the same chiropractor and I said, Look, he's got this.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: What is this?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, Well, it's it's a result of vaccines.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: I go, No, it isn't.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: He did the vaccine a month ago.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: He said, No, it's it's a result of the vaccine.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I completely have my doubts.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: He busts out this this homeopathic um to help rid him of the the vaccine.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: So he's he this is his protocol for it.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: This is what we're doing.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: He muscle tests, which Cena and I talked about at the start of the show or before the show, and we give this to my child.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: Now it tests only, as you guys know, only is about salt water.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you were to do a lab, it would be salt water, but it's all about energetics, etc.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: Most of this I don't understand.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: However, when we gave this to my son, his hands got worse for about an hour.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I called over, I said, What the heck?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: What you're you know, he's getting worse.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: He says, That's all right.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: In homeopathy, that means this is proving.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's we're on to this.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: This this will be good.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: And the next morning, his hands were as normal as anybody.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Wham.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there was another catalyst for wow, there's something to both the vaccine and the fact that we don't need them, and that there's other answers out there.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: I love hearing those stories because it brings to light that this ancient medicine of you know, herbalism and more recent homeopathy, that it's still relevant today, right?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: I have so many people that will say to me, like when they find out that I am a master herbalist, they'll say, Well, why do you use that?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't actually work.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's why we have pharmaceuticals, because we needed stronger drugs to deal with modern diseases.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, oh my gosh, I just pulled out all that huge stack of scientific articles, you know, peer-reviewed, scientific studies that are showing like chicory root kills COVID.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what I mean?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's one after the next.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, no, it's it's really trusting in what God gave us as medicine and breaking out of that mold, like Joel was saying, you know, being willing to say, okay, I don't need to go down this mainstream path.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: There is another alternative, and I'm gonna trust it and at least open my space to it a little bit.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so my question for you is um, I was reading the stat that as of September of 2022, the NBA claimed that they achieved a 97% vaccination rate amongst players.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: But and the media would have us to believe that the players were just lining up to go, you know, like cattle to go get the shot, with a few um exceptions, you know.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh like was it Aaron Rodgers, for instance?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: But they want us to believe that in large droves, they're just going to get to get the injection and that they weren't putting up a fight, they weren't even kind of questioning it.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: You obviously, I would think that you would have more information than Joel and I on this, possibly, because you're in the athletic world.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that mainstream narrative is true?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Or do you think some of these athletes were maybe waking up to some of it?
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: But like you said, didn't it feel like they had a choice in the matter?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know that I know better than you guys.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: I would strongly doubt the 97%.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the guy, it kind of depends on where you are, where you are in the pecking order.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, if you're if you're a major, major player with um, let's let's say if you're an all-star level player, you my guess is you're calling your shots.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: If you walk into the front office and say, Listen, I'm not doing this, I won't say it.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: If you won't say it, everybody's gonna wink and go, got it.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: If you're somebody clawing for clawing to try to get on a team or trying to stay in that last little group, you've gotten no chance.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: No chance.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: They're either gonna say, Look, take it or leave it, buddy.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: There's 20, 2500 people at the door that'll take your job in a blink of an eye, and you know it anyway.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's that's the nature of the game, is is if till you get kind of established, you're so replaceable, it's easy.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: And so, um, and then there's probably every range in between.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the the higher-end guys, or maybe even the guys in the middle, have a little ability because by this time they probably have doctor friends, they probably have people in positions that can write the fake vaccine card because that's really all you're on to how this bureaucracy works.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: You just need they need to be able to check a box.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're vaccinated.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: So, to do that, you just need to present the piece of paper that says you are.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm doubtful of the 97%.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not doubtful that 97% of the people said they were or could produce paper that that was.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: But here's one interesting incident.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: So uh I do have a son that's trying to play at that level and um was uh called up, they call it, uh, on numerous occasions that year.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: The reason he was called up is because so many of these players got COVID, right?
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: So they because they tested all the time, which again is absurd and it's an it's a violation of our rights just to get tested without our consent.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: But they did, and so they tested all the time, even though they are vaccinated.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: If you're vaccinated and it works, why do we need to test?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Why do we need to isolate?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Why do we care if somebody else is getting the vaccine?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because we're safe.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: We all know that's not true, but but that's the again, the the lunacy of this.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: So opportunities were created for these guys below that line to play only because it didn't actually stop COVID.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: Now, having said that, unless you were vaccinated, you couldn't take that step up to take advantage of that opportunity.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it was really a conundrum that wasn't much fun.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh uh Cena's uh I like her little phrase that the most um the most common result of the COVID vaccine um is that you get COVID.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that that that's the most common, you know, whatever, um externalized uh thing that happens when you get the COVID vaccine is that you get COVID.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: All of our friends, I mean, this is totally anecdotal, of course, but I can tell you in our circle of acquaintances, the ones who've had COVID once, twice uh are all, every one of them has been vaccinated.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: The ones who have not gotten COVID are the ones who uh are uh rebels like us.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: So John, Joel's referring to you know the the Pfizer documents that they had to turn over uh because the court ruled they had to turn over, turn them over and they couldn't hold them for 75 years or something like they wanted.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, according to their documents, the third most common like adverse event or side effect was getting COVID.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we just with with the voices for medical freedom, not to give ourselves a plug, but we just did a podcast with Naomi Wolf.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: And Naomi Wolf put together what 2,500, 2,400 people to to scour those documents, and she's phenomenal.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: And she's been very vocal about that and said that but we we also agreed that that's the tip of the iceberg.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: We we get it, that it's the third most common thing, but we won't know the damage of this four years.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Reproductive damage is off the charts.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, cancers are coming out of nowhere, people have never had an experience or family history of it, are getting cancer on Friday and dying in a month.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is a disaster.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's a disaster, and they have the facts and it comes out of that Pfizer documents, they knew.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And how would you do you have any guesses as to how many adult how many athletes have actually been damaged?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like we we saw reports of especially soccer players abroad falling down on the field, and you know, they wouldn't make any conclusions, right?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: But do you have a feel for like is there anyone who's estimating a number that we know that have been damaged?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: I've quit tracking the number about two and a half months ago.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Two and a half months ago is 1100 deaths of athletes on the field, and um, and it was poo-pooed.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: I I actually got in trouble for it saying it was over a year ago, I think, that that there was 150 athletes.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: When in my I'd already seen the documentation and the names and the faces, and and and pretty decent proof that it was well over 300, and I just got beat up.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was truthcheck.com, factcheck.com.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, newspapers just rely on that nonsense because somebody says it isn't true, they just say, well, John's lying, and or he's misinformed, or he's a misinformation guy.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's it's kind of again laughable once you see it from this side.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, but now, but now I know it's well over 1100 athletes, and that's like a uh 40 times increase of any time in history.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, Ed Dowd, I don't know, you've seen the Cause Unknown book, and Ed Dowd was a um um BlackRock portfolio manager of over 14 billion.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: We've had him on a podcast, and uh he gave us a book with with 600 names, faces, QR codes where you can trace the deaths.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: And these are young people, these are young athletes, and he did it through insurance.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's a numbers guy, he doesn't care about anything else.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Did it through numbers and insurance rates, people 15 to 55, the working age, the most vaccinated, and the healthiest in our population, uh, there's a 40% increase in their deaths uh as well.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's all traceable to one event, and that is the rollout.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: So go ahead, Joel.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um John, in your in your estimation, again, um to bring kind of a a cultural societal uh uh discussion to it, i in in your big opinion, how much of this narrative um is is controlled by the government's involvement in, well, we could say in healthcare, you know, uh as as a big thing, but um just that that there was that the government's um narrative was so uh powerful in in this whole story.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh just just in in full transparency, I I've made the statement and of course been vilified for it that if the government had never even said a word or even mentioned COVID, in other words, that it was a it was a non-government event, we probably would not have had any more uh uh damage from it than than than we got.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what's your take on the on the kind of the government, the federal government's uh role in in the whole narrative?
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's been pretty incredible.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: For first of all, there's in the Bill of Rights, there's no exceptions for pandemics.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: So no exceptions.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: And our founding fathers knew of pandemics, they existed then and they were they were big time.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: They'd seen them a lot, probably in their lifetime.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: So there's no exceptions for a reason.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: And yet our government took it full full speed ahead, they're controlling everything.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: The narrative that we have the president of the United States saying safe and effective, even though he gets COVID, what, three times?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we have them weaponizing the health districts.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: So the health districts could go around business to business in my state, state of Washington.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, they closed down businesses.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: They told people when they could stay open, when they could stay closed.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: They told bars they had to close at 10 o'clock because COVID apparently comes out at 10 o'clock.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um they they incentivized hospitals to announce COVID deaths.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: So when every time you hear that they're like, you don't understand these many people died of COVID.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, they didn't.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Even the CDC announced that 94% of the people that that were on the records as COVID deaths were not.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's coming from the CDC, who's pushed this as much as anybody, except maybe the FDA.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we have businesses shut down, we have hospitals incentivized to make up the data on deaths.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we have a test that the PCR test, the government's only allowing that test.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: And we're talking about multi-governments, worldwide governments, airlines, you know, TSA everywhere are only allowing the PCP uh PCR test.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: PCR test was used to test for AIDS in the 90s.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: The guy that invented that, Carrie Mullis, acknowledged that it didn't test for AIDS then and it didn't test for for COVID now.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a it's not a viral check, it's a it tests for spike proteins.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then the trick to PCR tests, and you wonder why and how much government's involved, all that requires is you turn the dial up on the cycles.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: And the cycles are essentially magnification.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: So anytime you want an outbreak, anytime you want to announce, hey, this area is having an outbreak, you turn up the cycles, it makes an ant into Godzilla, and you can call it a COVID outbreak anywhere.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, government involvement, um, pharmaceuticals, you know, uh the politicians that have voted in these things over the years and got our little uh exemptions, and then then they challenged our exemptions and have whittled that down to where we have very few protections if we want to maintain our rights.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's a lot of involvement.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: So the group that you've helped create, this voices for medical freedom, um, I'd like to learn more about that.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: On your website, it talks about how it's a private community of athletes, musicians, entertainers, actors, scientists, leading business people, and elite military personnel that are aligning under this one mission of medical freedom.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is it that you're actually doing?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: And can anybody join it?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because it says private community.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, how can all of us get involved with it?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you can you can call in for or whatever.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: You can, I know that there's I'm I'm not very tech savvy, you probably can tell that by now, but I know that we've reached a lot of people and come in contact with a lot of people that have contacted the website.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um we we do that.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: We have the the podcasts which are on Rumble, Spotify, Apple, um, and and anybody can watch those.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: We wanted to have, I don't even want to, it's not like an elite group, but we wanted to have a private group where we could have private conversations because then you have people come in less that want to listen in.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's a little touchy feely on that is is if somebody wants to come into the group, like for example, CD, you say, look, I need to be part of that group.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: I said, All right, I'll hook you up, we'll we'll get you set up, you're in.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: But it kind of comes word of mouth, or you sign up with your status.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: So we've asked athletes in particular, because we know the impact that current athletes have, to sign in with their status.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: If you're afraid to say, listen, I'm Joe Blow, I'm the starting quarterback for whomever, um, because that brings too many arrows uh in your direction, then you could always say, I'm I'm a professional um starting quarterback in the NFL.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's your status.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: And then when we when we produce it publicly, we can say that we have so many professional athletes at it, but we're not necessarily saying a name unless the guy wants the name or the gal wants the name mentioned.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so are you so that list that I, you know, just rambled off with the entertainers, even the business people, whatever.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're currently looking for people who do want to stand up and join you in that in that kind of private group.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it is it to kind of help each other to not only feel connected, but I'm just kind of trying to envision what it might be, but also exchanging data and information to help inform each other and like stay on the cutting edge.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is it all of that combined?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: So we're doing the podcast and we're talking to those people that are keeping us on the cutting edge.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's been kind of fun.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: I try to figure out not me, both Ken and I try to figure out when we can't convince people how what we find is very obvious issues here.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: When we can't convince people, why is that?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, who would they need to listen to that would change their minds?
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: Would they listen to an MD?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, we've got several MDs, several of them.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Would they want to would they believe a scientist?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because you said follow the scientists.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: We've got a scientist that actually created and administered the tests.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, would you want to hear uh if if you think that our freedoms aren't being challenged and you're doubting everything we say about listen, you know, watch your your rights, stick to your rights.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: We have Vera Shirab, who's a Holocaust survivor.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: If you're wondering about the data, uh, a person that just maybe the expert on data in the in our entire country, Ed Dowd, we have that book, Cause Unknown.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's one of our interviewers.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to listen to a a journalist um with every credential known to man, uh we've got that.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, we're trying to get those people so that we can reach more people to do it.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: We've kind of stopped the recruiting process.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: The recruiting process was, hey Frank, you know, we got this program going, let's talk about it.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then it always came, we'd spend an hour and a half, we'd have great conversations.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: Usually we'd be in agreement, and the guy'd go, ah, no.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: So we're doing it a little differently now.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking with great people like you, we're doing the podcast, and we're saying, listen, if your athletes out there, please check in.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: You can reach us, and we will protect your identity unless you don't want it to, and we'll offer opportunities where you can start speaking out if you want to as well.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: Again, pretty difficult.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a difficult challenge.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and are you getting a lot of pushback?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, uh, you like publicly or otherwise?
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, like censorship or you know, any hate mail or you know, anything like that.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because you know, Joel and I are no stranger to both censorship and hate mail.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: So join our club, John.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're kind of in your club.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very exclusive club.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: What's that?
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a it's a very exclusive club.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's times when you say we we were uh we were banned from YouTube uh after we did an interview with the chiropractor and the uh Craig Bueller, who was the the team chiropractor for the jazz when I was there, and and it wasn't anything hostile.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: We just talked about how there's alternatives to healing.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: This man's a healer and really incredible person and um ethical and and just gifted.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: And we got banned for YouTube for suggesting that perhaps vitamin D or or or zinc might help you through the COVID thing instead of a poison.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh yeah, we've we've experienced it.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yes.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I told Joel this, not many people know this, but um, you know, I have an online program teaching you how to reverse chronic and autoimmune diseases.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Almost as soon as I put it up there, my they they took the entire website down, like no notice, nothing.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: They they just deleted all of it.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, luckily I was able to get it back up with help from our editor Nolan, but I was just trying to help people, like your chiropractor friend, just showing them there's another path to heal.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, why is that so dangerous for people to know?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, John, why do you think it's so dangerous if people learn they can heal themselves?
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I don't think it's dangerous.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: I recently read a book, or I'm in the process of reading a book, The Truth About Cancer, by Ty Bollinger.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: And oh he talks about it in the early chapters, things that I've known, but he known vaguely.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: He makes it really clear in that in the early 1900s, doctors were chiropractors, uh, naturopaths, homeopathic, you know, the these were the people you went to and they healed you with herbs all the time.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then was a Carnegie and Rockefeller get together and they change everything towards um uh, you know, making medicine uniform anywhere.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: And hey, frankly, the thought of that isn't bad.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're in Washington or if you're in Florida, you can count on going to a doctor and getting reasonable care, whatever doctor you go.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: And the problem with it is they made it very expensive, they made it all about drugs and synthetics, the very herbs that you treat people with and heal people with, they break those down into chemicals.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then chemicals that your body can't absorb, chemicals that hurt your body, chemicals that cause cancer, chemicals, chemicals, chemicals, instead of the whole food that treated the person.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then they they make that the only option.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: And they've attacked all these wonderful profession professions now for over a hundred years.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, I've seen a lot of that personally.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what I've witnessed it in the chiropractic world in particular, and um, it's not pretty because they they try to demean any intelligent comment that comes out of anything but medicine.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, back in that day, uh, you know, before the AMA, before the Rockefellers and the Carnegies uh uh got involved, uh a person in the healing profession, I'll just use that as a very broad umbrella in the healing professions, they had they had to make it by by performance, you know, and so their reputation, um their reputation and and success was all predicated on performance.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: But when you go to a standardized regimen and it's all it's all uh certified by a license, no longer is there a performance requirement.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a meritocracy anymore.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a uh it's just a standard you know paperwork checklist.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so we lost all that wonderful um diversified experimentation and innovation and creativity once, you know, once we began licensing doctors.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: So you can say what you want about, well boy, I can't imagine what it'll be like.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: You mean you mean we'd have snake oil sales and we'd we'd have all these, yeah, but we'd also have experimentation, innovation, and and tremendous uh vetting on the part of us as people talking to Aunt Matilda.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what'd you find when you went to that guy?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: And Uncle John, well, what'd you find when you went to that guy?
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: And and we'd have this real robust, robust uh um uh uh self-vetting conversation around what people were seeing.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Today, as long as there's a certificate hanging on the wall, you assume the guy is fine, and so you go in brain dead um and cast your cast your faith on this certified professional who's just part of a standardized procedure.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: Could you imagine how powerful it would be right now with the internet and the ability to communicate worldwide how powerful all the people that are practicing herbology, if they got together and shared their stories and shared their experimentation?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Now, you were you use the word experimentation, and I can almost hear the scientific community going, Oh, see, they're snake oil silver, they're they're going to be able to experiment on.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, listen, the joke, uh the comment about medicine my entire life is they call it a practice for a reason.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: They are practicing.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: The difference between homeopathy, the difference between herbs, the difference between holistic care and medicine is that if you miss by giving too many, too much uh, you know, uh chicory root, you're not killing anybody and you're not disfiguring them and you're not harming their immune system.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: If you miss on experimenting with a um synthetic drug, you could kill the people.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, there's a hundred thousand deaths every year in the United States due to properly, properly prescribed, properly used drugs.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's very dangerous to to do drugs of any kind, and whether experimental or otherwise.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I've thrown my hat in the ring with the holistic side.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: I just think it's uh it's it is experimental, and you're trying to find the right formula, but at least it isn't harming you in the process.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: Even if you guess wrong, you're 100,000 people aren't dying from that every year.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's acknowledged by the medical community.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's not that's not you know the granola folks suggesting those numbers.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pharmaceuticals are now the third leading cause of death.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: So herbs aren't doing that.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's the pharmaceuticals that are third leading cause of death now.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: See, I think that's without that's not even counting the opioid crisis.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't think that's included in that.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: I I certainly know it's not including the damage by this COVID uh injection.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: If you start including the deaths from that, um, I think they're gonna vault to number one with ease.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I think so too.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, add in the biologics, and it's just through the roof.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: No doubt.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm with you on that.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I have one last question and then I'll throw it over to Joel to wrap those up.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, serious question, John.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Do you still play basketball?
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like pickup games or anything?
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: And if you do, do you are you still able to win against younger people?
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I still do play.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: I still love it.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: I still play with younger people.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: And these aren't just, you know, young people that are have but you know, play once in a while.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: These are guys that come back and play professional from their professional seasons or college players.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: And your answer is yes, I'm still winning as long as I'm on the team with the best college guys and the best professional guys.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not very good.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of embarrassing, but I I get to enjoy it and the guys tolerate me.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, I can still get up and run a little bit with the with the young kids and really enjoy it.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty awful.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: There's there, there's no semblance of a basketball player left in this old body, but I do enjoy it.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that that's a that's a great, uh, a great hopeful sign for everybody listening that uh that you can you can keep playing.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: And uh that's one of the things that Cena and I both agree on.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we want people to play right up until the day they drop.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and we're we're big on that.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I can't tell you how much we appreciate you taking the time to be with us today, John.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what a voice of reason and sanity in a in a dysfunctional and crazy time.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for being there.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we hope that uh if we're reaching anyone who can really be benefited by your group, that they will reach out to you and that our paths will cross again in their near future.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for being with us and for all of our uh listeners.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh thank you for joining us on another Beyond Labels podcast, and we'll see you again next week.