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08 - Alison K Lawther, Lifestyle and creative endeavours. · Reframe

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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever wondered what truly fuels a creative mind?
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  SPEAKER_01: Then she transfers her stunning creations and visions onto a stretched canvas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Listen in and gain an insight into an artist's bustling lifestyle where she juggles many creative endeavors such as gallery curation, portraits, art prizes, and much, much more.
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  SPEAKER_01: We hope you enjoy this episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: G'day everyone, welcome to the Gallery Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is episode eight with Alison K.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lawtha.
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  SPEAKER_00: So welcome to the studio today, Alison.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: How are you?
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: You're very welcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for coming on the show and agreeing.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh you're our first actual artist and painter to come on the show and our first in-person interview as well.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that is very cool.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much for coming on the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: We may be a little nervous because we only talk to photographers mostly.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we're trying to we're trying to break that um that curve right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, would you be able to jump into your backstory and how you got into art and and where you come from?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um heavy questions first.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um so how do I get into it?
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  SPEAKER_03: It was a it was a real conscious decision to start it.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_03: My um start way back.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um studied art at school and really enjoyed it.
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  SPEAKER_03: My dad was an artist for 72 years.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's retired now.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I always had it at home, always around me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, I guess always dabbled every now and then.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_03: And then when the kids all grew up and they left home and I was on my own, it was like, well, let's start up doing something and um and just playing and having some fun.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: And then I made it made that conscious decision.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, I want to do something with this.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_03: I want to and set myself a goal.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna be in a in a exhibition by March um this year, 2020.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was 2020 by March, 2020.
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  SPEAKER_03: Want to be in an exhibition, want to start concentrating on this and see how how far I can go.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_03: And then of course, COVID hit and was in an exhibition, but it all closed down.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: But it started off doing really well, and it's just flown since then.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: There's so much has happened since that time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm continuing to create, got my own studio now with a gallery and now doing so many things and doing this.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: This is brilliant.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's like how cool, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: So much has gone on since in such a short period of time.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's been brilliant, really blessed.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've been what I've I only discovered you recently when I saw Nasilla pop up on Instagram, probably beginning of the year, right?
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I need to really check this gallery out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just popped in like a couple of weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: I met you there by chance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um then, yeah, coming through, I saw, I was like, wow, and then it's just constant.
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  SPEAKER_00: It looks like your art world is like blowing up right now.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_03: It it it feels that way too.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: It feels that way.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's so much going on, and it it it's great.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a great experience.
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  SPEAKER_03: Opening up Nasilla late last year, um, had the grand opening, had a few exhibitions since then, getting bookings coming through, doing the the portrait prize.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's the first one for the Illwar.
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  SPEAKER_03: If anyone needs wants any information, email me, call me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um what are the full details on that actually?
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  SPEAKER_03: On on that one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so there has there's been still life um prizes and exhibitions, and people do life drawing and and classes and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I thought something that we don't have here is a portrait prize.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: And um, so I thought, well, hey, let's bung one together, let's see how we can go, get some sponsors in, do some prizes, and manage to get all that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the interest is really good.
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  SPEAKER_03: So uh it's running in June, and um, so it's one entry per artist.
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  SPEAKER_03: It has to be a painting, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and yeah, we've got a pro first prize,$750, second prize, another cash prize, another thing, you know, gifts and things from sponsors.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_03: We'll have a big open and that's really clots fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, the exhibition will run for a couple of weeks.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'm really looking forward to it.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a size like regulation as well for the size of the painting?
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we do.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's about seven seven hundred, seven hundred mil, like or seventy centimetres by one twenty.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because it is quite big.
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  SPEAKER_03: It it is big, it it'll fit in the panels through the gallery, and we should be able to get quite a few um paintings in there, even if they were all that size.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: We should be able to get quite a few in there.
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  SPEAKER_03: But because the gallery is restricted with size, um, I had to put that limit on it.
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  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, looking forward to all the entries coming through.
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  SPEAKER_03: Have you had much entries?
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  SPEAKER_03: We've had I've had quite a few, but I've had to extend it because a lot of artists have asked me, I don't have enough time.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: There's not enough time to get this done.
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  SPEAKER_03: So because of that, we extended it.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was uh closing off yesterday, 31st of March, but we we've extended it to the 20th of May.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: That just shows how many artists are in actually in the area.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it is a great community, and um, so it's good to get behind it.
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  SPEAKER_03: It'll be fun.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: Unreal.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: If only we painted.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, we spoke about that.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: Carl paints, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I dropped in to the seal and saw Allison's work and other artists' work there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually went and bought a canvas.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm gonna paint that soon.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: I've just got to pull the finger out and actually do it.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have the patience for for painting, unfortunately.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's definitely an art, that's for sure.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I've had a look at some of your photos.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_03: They're absolutely beautiful.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, thank you.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Really you you don't have to say that because you're across the table from the phone.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, they are they are gorgeous.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_03: They are gorgeous.
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  SPEAKER_03: The light and everything, it's just yeah, wow.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: Talent.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Photoshop is the best.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's your new eco.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Photoshop's your easel.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's your easel.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: I paint with a computer.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: There you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um whereabouts did you start um with your art?
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  SPEAKER_01: Was it did you start with drawing or was it painting, or was there another medium you started in for always always painting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Always painting and always with um a palette knife or my hands.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't trust, I I I don't trust myself with a paintbrush.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: It just looks terrible.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's awful.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: But I find that I have a lot of fun with texture and colour and cre can create something different using using the the palette knives, and it gives a different, a completely different effect.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: But you can still get that detail with some patience and um some impesto medium.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: You can really get uh a lot of detail in there.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: And it's it's just something a bit different.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I really enjoy using that.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: Using that something.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: So, what kind of approach do you take when you're layering all your paintings together?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like how how how do you go about starting and then bringing it to the finished product?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know that you do a lot of layering.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it's I'd be really interested to see how you build that up.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: It depends on what I'm doing, what I'm painting, say for a portrait, and um a lot of it, especially around the eyes and the mouth, there's a quite a lot of detail or around the ears and things like that.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: I always start with the base of of the base colour of skin tone and then slowly add layer upon layer from dark to light to try and get the tones right, the perspective right.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and if it doesn't work out, then a little stroke of another colour over the top of it and just really slowly, slowly build build it up.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um it makes mistakes, obviously.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the great thing with acrylic, it dries really quickly.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: So you can get to it back onto it, or you can just scrape it off and then keep going and start again.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: So it's really that that's the the way that I do it.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, my florals and and abstracts, it's just a matter of whack on the colour and how it goes is how it goes.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: If I see a dark, you know, if there's a dark part of a flower or if I there's a shadow or something, you just use that and splack, splat on the on the paint.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: Go for it.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: Have some fun and get messy.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: This is fantastic.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I could just sit here and listen to it all day.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, right.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Processes it sounds so cool.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Is it like a planned out process for you, or is it more like a in the moment feeling of how you put it together?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like once you're in there, is it just like oh I'm going this way?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: I usually have an idea of what I want to paint.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes that can be stronger than other times.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the one that you met you mentioned earlier, one of my paintings, Hubba Chubba.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: I saw that.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: They're so cool.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: You should drop in to see the exhibition.
• 9:50
  unknown: Yes.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: It was fun and and it really, really quick because I knew exactly what I wanted to do and exactly how I I could see it in my head, and it was just bang.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_03: She came out really, really quickly, um, which was good.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: And other things, you it's almost torturous.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_03: The that one I found her, that was almost torturous, but there's a story behind that probably as to why.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're more than welcome to share that story.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_03: If you feel like it's another it's another portrait and it's a self-portrait.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I've done other ones before, figurative ones of myself, but I've never done my face and uh really wanted to zone in on that.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: And the first version I did of it a couple of years ago, it looked like Voldemort, no nose.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: It just looked really ugly and awful.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_03: So I kind of left it and I thought, I'll have another go.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um I got halfway through her and it came to her, it came to the eyes, and I just stopped.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: I just couldn't go anymore.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: It just, it just, it completely baffled me.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I couldn't even get into the studio.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: I had to, it was just no, I I don't know what to do here.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm completely stuck, I've got a blank.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I reached out to the art community and put a post out and said, what do I do?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: And got a lot of great advice from other artists.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: Walk away, turn it upside down, try a different perspective, you know, give it some time, or just get in there and and make it happen.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I ended up doing that.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: I just sat in the studio for a while, um, a couple of hours, and just played, just tidied up and just sat in the space and then thought, no, now's the time.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: We've really got to get in there and and do it.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: And she finally came and hence why she's called I Found Her.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: She finally came out.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: How how long was that process?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, between when you said, I've got to stop to when you completed it, was like a a week or a day or it was a couple of weeks.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a couple of weeks of just I can't do things at the moment.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: They're always rough patches to get through.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: You like you know you want to finish it up.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: And you sit there and go, like you said, the upside down thing, I've done that before.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: You you actually mentioned that in your podcast.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Turning turning something upside down is like I don't know, it's such a cool way to remove the subject and make it just purely an object.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like also with the light, like that picture you're talking about.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I found uh there's got beautiful light coming sort of from the top left part of the frame.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I think if you were to turn that upside down, it'd make just that flow go really nicely.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I don't know, did you turn it upside down when you're painting it?
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: No, I I didn't want to lose that perspective.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: But it took like two two weeks for me is a long time not to be in the studio.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: And it was annoying and frustrating.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't, I just thought I I need to get in there, but I just can't.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_03: I just can't get in.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_03: I can't, I don't know what to do.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, we finally got her out.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: And she was, yeah, I'm I'm pleased with her.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's a it might sound like a strange question, but was your mood for those couple of weeks?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Did your mood change um because you knew it was frustrating and I don't know, did no?
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Allison I'm looking at my husband.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: Did it change?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's shaking his head.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's good.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, because I know when I'm I don't when I try to know I need to edit a photo and I need to get it done, I know I get the I I get the shits.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: But um my wife will tell me the same thing.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, You need to finish it on just mellow out a little bit.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you know that's why I asked.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's in it's in my head and it's in my heart.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: Just you you feel I I need to get in there, I have to do some work, I have to do something, but not having that block.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: But Do you feel like the artwork's calling you back?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I didn't like it.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just sort of like a dragon you I see the easy.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: She was just sitting on the easel the whole time, and it and I knew she I kept looking in there and kept watching her and seeing her, and she hadn't finished, she'd had half a face and you know, no background.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's like I've I've got to do something with this, but uh anyway, I'll yeah.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: But I think I think for me it was forcing, like really forcing myself to get in there and just look, this is something you you've got to finish, you've got to do it.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: And um once the flow came, it was easy.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was easy.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think that paid off.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure I saw a red dot next to that painting as well, right?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's it paid off.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: A sale's a sale.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Your biggest fan, that's sure, 100%.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well the the the partners are always the best um fans because they'll tell you honestly whether they like it or they don't.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they're the best, best critic and best supporter, that's for sure.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: Most definitely.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so Nasilla Gallery.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how how did that come about?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, really quickly last year, really, really quickly.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: I I just happened to be looking for some space um around Wollongong.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I didn't know what it was going to be for.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: It was for work and for studio or somewhere to store some stuff.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um anyway, I had a look online and and uh there were some spaces available in that building in in what's it called?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: Central Chambers.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: I know I should know that.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_03: Went in, had a look, it's your own address.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's right, yeah, that's okay.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um went in and I was waiting for the real estate agent and having a look around, and they leave all the doors open for all the vacant offices and and retail spaces up there.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: So I just took myself for a walk and I walked into this space next to the cafe there, and I thought, oh, this is great.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_03: This is a big space.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: This makes an amazing studio, but hang on, this would make an amazing gallery as well.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, anyway, I had a look at some other spaces, had a chat with the real estate, got the prices, blah, blah, blah.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: I came home, spoke to Sean, and I said, Dar, there might be a bit of an opportunity.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: And um it was this, yep, you want to do it, give it a go.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought, bugger it.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, go for it.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just gonna do it.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: And that was, when was that?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_03: That was beginning of October, end of September.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, anyway, signed the lease.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: We went away to Fraser Island for a couple of weeks and trying to organize the lease, trying to organise all the details and all that sort of thing and insurances, blah, blah, blah, or that while I'm away.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, came back, signed the lease, got the keys opened up two weeks later, done deal.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: So it was really, really quick and spontaneous.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I can explain.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_03: Wasn't even thinking about doing it.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: And it's been the best experience.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: Met some amazing people, amazing artists, yeah, and just people off the street coming in talking about art.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I guess I like to engage with people as they come in, always talk to them, find out what it is that what do they like, what don't they like?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: Do they do art?
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: Do they have they have a history of it?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: And you find so many people actually want to create, or they have created and they've stopped, and the reasons why they've stopped.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: And so we we start up that conversation about well, why don't you take it up again?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: What's stopping you from taking it up?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Pick up a pencil and a piece of paper.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: Just do it.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Pick your phone up, take a photo.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's there's so many things you can do.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Encouraging people that come in who say they used to create and they haven't.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: Start again lately.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: Keep going with it.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: Pick up something.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if you want to to paint, paint something, paint a piece of furniture, grab a, you know, a cheap canvas from the two dollar shop or whatever and start doing something.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing to stop you.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's going to help you, if anything.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's really cool where you say that.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: If you just pick it up again, because I saw, I think it was a reel just the other day, as this fella saying, if you spend 18 minutes a day doing something that you love doing, you'll be better than there's like 50% of the people on earth at that after one year.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like whatever it is you choose to take up.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: As if you like just take up anything you love for 18 minutes per day, you you'll improve so much over one year.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's the same with creativity.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, once you you you lose it if you don't use it, right?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: So that's so crazy.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty everything.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Encouraging like extra people who come into the gallery just to like get back into things.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: For sure, for sure.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: And it can be, and it well, it's usually uh anybody.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, young people, older people, a lot of older people are coming in and and saying that they used to do it, or old designers, and and um, I've got this one fellow that comes in all the time.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: He's a sweet, sweet man, but he's in every week and he loves his art.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um and it's just why aren't you doing it?
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: So he's going to be entering the portrait prize, which is great.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: It is amazing that um how people just stop creating.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like Carl called me this morning on the way just to on the way to soccer um before to talk about the podcast today.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: And um my son just goes, I'm an artist.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he's five years, yeah, he's he's a five years old, and he goes, I'm an artist.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: I draw, but I I I don't draw stick people.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: So people who and he's he he's five years old and he's saying, I don't draw stick people, that doesn't make me an artist.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like he's already switched on that he's like he draws something, he creates, and he's already this art, he's an artist, and it's like fantastic.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have to get him on the show.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: You won't, yeah, no, he won't we'll talk about anything but that.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no, he'll be touching the microphone.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's funny how then they um they grow out of it, and it's and that's something it's um amazing.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: I it sounds like more and more people these days are um getting back in touch with their childhood and and what it was like to draw and just going, you know what, this eases my mind, so why why did I stop doing this?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: So it is amazing that what people what people are doing.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and sometimes life gets in the way, yeah.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: And work and um universities breed it out of people or school, high schools are breeding out of kids and so taught the working system.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're a working ant.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'd love to do this, but I don't have the space.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't, you know, it's like well, you don't need much space.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, you just need a little clear the dining table.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was gonna say you've got a kitchen bench or you've got a yeah, you got a table, piece of paper again.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: First step, isn't it?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: In and then you're like, all right, now hooked, I can go again.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you've already created this topic.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Even it's like one meter by one meter space or on the floor in your garage or whatever you've got, you just just get back into it and all of a sudden.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Throw some paint on a canvas and off you go.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Not that it's that easy, but as a metaphor, yeah.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: It can be, yeah.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: Don't even need any equipment or anything.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I started out using house paints and bits and pieces like that.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: Just whatever I could find, my hands.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't bother with anything.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, any expensive materials.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Got a like a$12 easel from an op shop or something and just went for it.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, yay!
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I remember just making an easel with like scrap cut off timber from bunnings once.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like, I'm just gonna stick this together in the backyard.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it works.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: If it holds this, if you hold your canvas, then it's done its job, right?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's so true.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: So true.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: I just picture you in the backyard just hammering away.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I I had landlords when I was younger, they used to hate me because I used to always um put up like graffiti walls in the backyard.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like across like the back patio or something.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'd like to cable tie the timber to all the upstanding poles to hold the veranda.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought I like have these big graffiti walls and there'd be paint all over the floor and uh yeah, they're trying to scrub the floor before you move out.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Hey.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's the creation there in itself.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Doing an abstract on the floor.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I think.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: I've got a piece of vinyl on my studio floor.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: We should we were talking the other day.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: I should cut it up and sell it.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it's it's just a myth colour.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Paintings.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: I should paint covered in paint, yeah, not art.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's cool.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's like those abstracts where you say people where they make the abstract, it's the way they make it.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like they might have like a body swinging on rope and they like pour the paint over the body, and it's pouring in all the like the shapes as they spin the model around, and that's how they create their artwork.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: I but honestly, you know, like it's so cool.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then like they just have a huge canvas, like pretty much like a rug on the floor.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: And they just like swing like a person over the top of it.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Wherever the paint falls is what the art is.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'd love to see it on a wall.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do you have a um a go-to style or you just replay and see what comes?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh I guess I d I guess I do.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: And that's just you using um using fine strokes with the palette knife, I guess, would be that style.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: And then trying to make a mess of things and mix colours or whatever.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't know.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't because I'm I'm kind of self-taught in this.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: I just picked it up and that's what felt natural.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what felt best for me.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Try until it works, right?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't need to be.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: And some I've I've changed a lot since I've started as well.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then I look back at some of my older work and I think, oh, I wish I could, I could do some more.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's changed that much that I wish I could go back and try a little bit more of doing some things like that where it's a bit blurred and it's a bit abstract.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: And you can't you can see what what it is, but you can't, but it's not definitive.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I wish I could, oh, let's go back and try a little bit of that.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I try it, and it doesn't quite work out anymore.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: So this this whole technique and the journey has kind of changed how I do how the art comes out in the end.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I've I've done a series of hands in black and white, love, and I love doing them.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um it started I stopped on that one as well.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was incredible.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's there's quite a few actually.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I've done some more, and there's an there's still more that's kind of in me that wants to come out.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, so I'm I'm it the the form and the and the technique that I used with that again was just the strokes with the palette knife and worked it using the shadow and the colour and the different grey tones and things and working my way up the canvas.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then I find now when I'm doing hands, it's it's kind of working from the outside in.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's constantly changing and developing, and the what comes out is slightly different, but it all kind of relates to the same kind of feeling, I guess, is the best way to describe it.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: They definitely have a lot of sass, like you think.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's all about the sass and the the texture.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: When I looked at your work, there is a varied range where some are very detailed and others you can see where you've tried to make it more inconspicuous or ambiguous, I think is the word.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um particularly, I forget what it was titled, the one with the gold leaf in it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: But you had it, it's like lips and a pin.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, lips are sealed.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: That that really actually inspired me.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: When I went look, I went out on the weekend, I saw some lichen that was like a real light white colour with like a little bit of grey in it.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this reminds me of that painting.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, okay.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is so cool.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like photographing this little tiny patch on the ground because it reminded me of your pig of your painting.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: I saw And that that's kind of one of my earlier, slightly earlier works.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: I did that about two, three years ago, and it was with the the experimenting of different ways of working.
• 25:00
  unknown: Yeah.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's a method you're hoping you could go back to the phone.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: I could go back and start doing a little bit more of that sort of thing.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: So and you you you can see that it's you can just see from a distance that it's a face and you can see the nose and you can see the lips, but to actually make it out, you have to stand back.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: But it it is, but it isn't.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's yeah.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I think it's hard to explain.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: It was so cool looking at it because you it could be anything.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: Have you say it's dimensional.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's dimensional.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: It is, yeah.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and if if you're trying to picture what these images are, again, you need to get down to the gallery and and check it out.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we'll definitely get some photos up on on Instagram posts.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: And some links you can go down and see it.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm actually amazed with the detail that you have in um uh I know we're gonna go back to it, but that hobba chubba.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Just not just the name is awesome, but the picture, sorry, the painting itself is amazing.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't understand.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, how the hell do you get that detail in something with it's not like a a photograph or it's not a pencil line or something?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's I don't know how how you do it, but that the detail that you get in there is unbelievable.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: I s I I bugged all the people at work and got, look at this, look at this, look at this.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is amazing.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, it's only on the phone.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine what it's like in person.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's amazing.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like you had it, I think it's uh it's like an African lady with the afro kind of reminds me of Cory Anders from the like DC show.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this is so she's got big hair, yeah.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the big the big hair with the purple in it and stuff.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a super cool painting.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, thank you very much.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was one of my favorites.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'll have to come and buy it off you.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: By all means.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, come and just go and do it.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Don't talk about it, just do it.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting there.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting there.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Does it take you, um, has it taken you long to perfect that detail in your in your paintings, or is it something that it's constantly progressing?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: Constantly.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm constantly learning different ways to add that texture and that stroke.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: What like how long do I leave the paint to dry before I can go over that again?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Or um what's the best way?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: Do I need some fresh like tech the thinking technically?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: What type what like how am I going to apply the paint?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: What do I need to mix with the paint?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: Do I need it?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: Does it need to be run runny?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: Does it need a bit more texture?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: Can we go over the top when it's so wet?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: And um, because there is a lot of paint on my paintings.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because there's so many layers to to create that tone.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, it it's for me, it's a constant learning curve, I guess.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: And and really trying to um see how far I can push it and see how much detail I can get in there.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: You know, do I really focus in or then I turn around and I think no big strokes and just have fun and get messy and see what happens.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: So you're saying uh you put additives, do you like what do you do?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I say like make it thicker or thicker.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um just add some medium and and to paints to to thicken it up a little, depending on what paint I'm using.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: So cool.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: And how how I want the painting to to look.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_03: If I if I really want a lot of thickness to it and for it to come out of the of the and and off the canvas.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: But a lot of times I don't.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: I I tend to get using different types of paints tend to get different effects that way.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_03: But um the finer the detail, the wetter I want the paint to go.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's really cool.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: So do you like do you like the head in?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: Do you spread time kind of um like I guess you could say like massaging it, so you're like sculpting it in to make the certain patterns and stuff.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, very light.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if I want that fine detail around the eyes, uh, especially if it's a very small um portrait, or that the the one that you talked about, the woman with the purple in her hair, um, you'll you'll notice the outside from from the outside of the edges of the canvas and her body and and and that it's very big strokes and you can see it.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's really quite, they're really quite large.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: And as it focuses in on her face and her eyes, they're very, you can see the strokes in there are very, very small.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: So the lighter the touch that I give that, the more detail I can I find I can put in there and creating those shadows.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's incredible.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's really cool.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna have to like watch more of your videos or watch paint in person to sort of take some notes.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: I've said yesterday.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's really cool.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think using a palette knife something I never even tried to do in painting.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was aerosol or with a paintbrush or whatever, you know.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um when I see anything with a palette knife, I'm always so interested and intrigued by like how it gets put together.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: No, you'll have to come and watch.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Just go and do a workshop, mate.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Does Allison run workshops?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you've sparked an idea.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Sparked an idea.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: There we go.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Another thing to add to the list of activities that we're doing, yes.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: I reckon there'd be so many people that would like to, like you were saying earlier, that they'd just forgotten and or don't know how to.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's definitely like a market for that.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know they're in photography, there's a lot of workshops, but I think painting would be a good one as well.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think what would be cool about painting is that you can do it in one room as well.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's what would be so cool about being able to do it.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: You just have fun with it.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Get some wine, some beer.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Just have fun.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'll be up for that.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just the wine.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about the painting, we'll just have some wine.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Next week.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Next week there'll be this.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: Judging how fast I was gonna be like, next week there's gonna be something.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: Putting them on, come on down.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so you you recently dropped a massive painting off I saw um at the art gallery.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to run through through that and maybe the creation of what that artwork was?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: That that I so I've put a this year, I've done another entry into the Archibald Prize, dropped it off this week.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: Very exciting.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's nice.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it it's good.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's nice to be able to do something like that.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um anyway, and I was saying before, they're really lovely down there, and it it's really, yeah, it's fun.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I know it's it's not going to be get chosen or anything, but it's the whole experience.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's the process.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Can't manifest that it won't get choked.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: You have to manifest that it will get choked.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: Well, okay.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's going to get picked.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Put the little put the gold ribbon next to a picture of it in your house and look at it every day until you manifest the win.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Just go put the gold ribbon next to it in the while it's hanging.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: Just a pretend check for$100,000 right there.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's uh I've heard stories where it works.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how how real the stories are, but maybe it'll whatever, whatever happens.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's a really nice process.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: And the the um the subject that I painted this year is a is a good friend of ours, good friend of Sean's, um, and his name's Wayne Phillips, and he is a retired branch secretary of the AWU, and he was one of the main figures and the instigator, I guess, in um keeping the Port Kembler still works open, saving a hell of a lot of drops.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: So it was a real honor to be able to paint him.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: And we had such a really lovely afternoon.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: They came over and had barbecue and we just sat around.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: I did some sketching and took some photos to try and get some just some references and things.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: And anyway, he threw his head back and laughed.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: We were sitting in the lounge room, threw his head back, and I just thought, that's it.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's the image we're capturing.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: And hopefully he's pleased with it because that's really the main thing that he enjoys it.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't showed him the whole thing yet, we've given him snippets of.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so when it comes back, we'll do the grand reveal for him.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm looking forward to that.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: That'd be really lovely to share that with him.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: So was that whole meeting that you had around trying to find the image of your subject that was that designed to try and get the feeling of the person out of the painting.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: I've I've known Wayne now for a couple of years and Sean's worked with him um for many years.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: So it it was, I guess we just wanted to have that intimate time and be able to enjoy a barbecue and have some time together and sit and talk and all that sort of thing.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: So it not so much getting to know him, yeah, knew him, but to try and get that um capture the right moment, which captures him as a as a man, as a person.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I think, I think I've got it.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: I hope I've got it.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you have.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: Me.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: But I the reason why I entered it, and that was the this is my third year doing the Archibald, but my dad, uh being an artist, uh, he was an artist for 72 years and being surrounded by that.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_03: And he is, he was adopted now and actually found his biological father's family um not long before the Archibald entries were to go in three years ago.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: And his father's name was Archibald, and it was like, well, hey, there's it's like a side, yeah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a side, we've got to enter dad.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: And he kept, he was always saying to me, You've got to enter the archies, you've got to enter the archies.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: And then when he found his father and his father's family and all this, it was like, yep, all right, that's it.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: We've got to get the the the canvas out and we're doing it.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: And like the first one I did was a portrait of my dad, and it was it was beautiful, and he's got that hanging at home.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: So it it's like ever since then, he's been really supportive and he's amazing and and pushing me to do better and always to to be involved and and um and so I enter every year, every year since it's been great.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's unreal.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's fun.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: What did you what did your dad paint?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like what was his style?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: So he used um a lot of ink sketches and drawing, um, and he also used oil pastels.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: So it was very architectural.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: Uh a lot of buildings.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: He does a lot of a lot of traveling with mum.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so he did a lot of buildings along the way, old buildings and and landscapes of all these travels.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: He lived in the inner city for many, many years and did a lot of um a lot of drawings and paintings of of the city and that sort of thing.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: And he loved to do negative perspective as well with his drawing.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: So it kind of gives that it you look at it and you think, oh, something's not quite right with this, but it gives a really different effect.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you have to sit back and look at it, don't you?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's going this way.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_03: It should really go that way.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't look quite right, and it kind of tricks the brain a little bit.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds a little Escher, actually.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds a little Esher where you're like, which way does it go?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know which way to hand the painting.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: So he's been a great influence and a really wonderful support over the last few years.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: So did you did he teach you like skills and stuff along the way about with No, because we're very different styles.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: Very, very different styles and completely different mediums.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but he's been he showing me the way with different things that I can do with my art.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, join this club, go here, talk to these people, and you know, that sort of thing.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: So he's supportive in that way.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: Or um try if making canvases and making frames, try using this.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_03: And so he's he helps me in that way a lot.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: The technical side.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like a lot of community is where you sort of start thriving, where you go to community and get all these ideas.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely, definitely.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's really cool, actually.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: And you're finding that growing more and more, and there's a great art artistic community here in the Ilawarra.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I could tell at your opening, um, just the group of ladies that were there, and uh everyone was so willing to like give out information and say, Oh, you should come down to this show and you should enter this prize.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you should I was like, this is really cool.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I want to be here more.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's something that I've noticed as well in this area like um since we started the podcast.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really, I knew there was a lot of artists and photographers around, but I didn't know how many.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Does it last?
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: It started to open my eye.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's actually how many creatives.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: But everyone is so fantastic and willing to talk to you as well.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know in the past we've been a bit standoffish myself mostly um with people because I just like to go out and do my thing and and and that.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it's been great to actually step into a community again.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think as both introverts, D and I this is this kind of for me, I was like, this is a really cool way to like meet people in the community.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe get us out of our little shells that we sit in.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was, I did say to Carl this morning I was real nervous about it.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was just gone, I'm talking to someone I don't know.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's in a different medium that I don't know much about.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's yeah, but it's been fun, that's for sure.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Hearing everyone's stories, I think, is it's so uh it fills my cup now.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I can't wait to hear the next person's story.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is so cool, like learning about other people.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: But it also shows that we're all very similar as well.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: So we all draw our inspiration from our parents and our grandparents and as well.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's it's pretty cool.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely, definitely.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I I think what you're doing, what you're doing with the podcast is great too.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: So I hope it really takes off for you, for both of you, because I think it'll be it can be and will be a really great asset for the community and for the art community and photography community, and to get the word out of different artists, photographers, galleries, things that are happening around the Yellow War and be a really supportive tool for everyone.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that's you.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's something that we have wanted to do was bring the two together.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: So photography and art.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I know there has been a divide.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like there there can be.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know some artists don't like photographers, and photographers don't like artists.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um that was something I think it's the little tiny comments you hear sometimes.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think things are like being a photographer, where mostly these days is where you hear people say, Oh, photograph one photographer, all photographers are all the same.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like same cat, same same food, different label kind of thing.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that's and that's something that we're like, let's start talking to people and see where everyone is, and and I guess we'll find the positive side of everything.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's something that we want to do.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: So break down that.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because Carl comes from painting, and I um when he was younger and I used to draw a lot.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: So before I did the photography, so we come from that background more than we do with digital um photography.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we're like, well, let's just break down that wall.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why we wanted to start the podcast.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: We've been talking for a few years, but um, we're like, you know what?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just do it.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, talking for ages ago.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: What can we call the podcast?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what would make it cool?
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: And like it just came down to like, oh, well, you put art in a gallery, so why don't we just call it that?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like podcasts.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's everyone's everyone's um dream to have a gallery and and you're living your dream.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's fantastic.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: How freaking amazing is that, right?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: It is really cool, actually.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh just like, what though?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Where'd that come from?
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, please.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: You just wake up, you're going, oh, you you're not mad to go to work every day.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like I get to go hang out and do some art today.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: I know, I know.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's just it's been uh an absolute whirlwind, but be it's beautiful experience.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm loving it.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's got such a nice little feng shui in there as well.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: When you walk in the gallery, you've got the opening and then the little curl around it.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: It works so beautifully in there.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so well, what's the gallery done for you in as far as growth now?
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: So as a person and as an artist, uh where where's that taking you, do you think?
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um personally, I've learned um I guess number one is with other with the people that are coming in, the audience and the artists that are coming in.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's learning about that, it's learning their stories.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: And as I was saying before, trying to encourage others to to get back to art because everyone seems to, most of the people, just about everybody, is talk about the things that they used to do, you know, or the what that they want to do, if they want to write or they want to do this, or it's so it's it's kind of getting to hear those stories, which is wonderful.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and also young students that are coming in.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_03: Where can I do this?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: Where can what can I do that?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: So being able to give information out and get information in and share stories is just uh beautiful.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: But it's also just showed me a lot um of what I need to do with my own art, I guess.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: If uh so where I should push it as a business, even though it shouldn't, you know, it's a creative outlet and it's it's wonderful to be able to do that.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_03: But all but in reality, we want to sell paintings, right?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: We need to be able to do that to survive as artists.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: It funds the next chapter.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's exactly, that's right.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um you have to be in a in a bit of both pots deep.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: So to actually kick off and survive through a lot of people.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's taught me a lot about that side of things.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: That okay, well, if this is going to work for for that reason and where I want my art to head in in the future, where what where do I want to drive it?
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: And that sort of thing.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: And in in a business sense, I guess.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_03: So it's taught me a lot about that way.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: But overall, it's just been a really beautiful experience that I'm soaking up.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: So you reckon it's about um building a legacy as well with your art.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of building a legacy in where do you think you're gonna take your art?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you have like goals where you want to take it to?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: I I it's it's in information.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's in formation.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_03: I do pretty much I have an idea of what I want to do and where I want to be.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I've set kind of set some goals for myself personally of where I want to see myself uh artistically in the future.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: So that's defin that's definitely and the Nursilla has helped so much with that.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, there is a there isn't not an end goal, but there is there are steps that I want to get to, and I'd love to branch out and I'd love to do more in Sydney and um help others to do that as well.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: So at Nursilla, you hold exhibitions for other artists as well, is that right?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: We do, yeah.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: How how do people get involved in that?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: So if anyone is interested in uh coming along, having a look at the gallery, having a look at the space, and they they think they might be out they might want to um hire it out, then they can contact me through the gallery or contact me through um personally on my Instagram or or Facebook, they can do that.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I can share the details with regards to how they they can hire it two weeks, three weeks, we can negotiate something.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: But we also do uh hire it out for workshops as well.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: If people wanting to have their own workshops uh through the week or on the weekends, we can do that.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: Or an event of some sort, if someone wants a party or a birthday, they can come and hire it.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then soon Allison will be having her own workshops in there as well.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I do still live drawing classes at the moment once a month.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_03: So we do those.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, yesterday I spent the day um painting at the gallery.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I took an ease, old easel in and some canvases and sat down, and there was a constant flow of people coming through.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, beautiful people, sat down firstly with a woman, um, and we sat together for about two hours, and I painted and we just spoke about life and family and creation.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: And she was an artist as well.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: And she'd never worked with palette knives and just wanted to watch someone create and we were talking.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it was just a really lovely experience.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we had the music going in the background.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: And every now and then I'd get in the flow and I'd start singing.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then she'd start singing.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: It was really lovely.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a great way to get rid of like to move away from reality and just take your mind off what's going on in the outside world.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_03: And to share that experience with someone really intimately, it was really nice.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_03: It was really nice to do.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm going to be doing that more often, I think.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think I saw you put that.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I'm painting in the gallery.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: Come and visit.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: So do you listen to music and make it like a meditation as well?
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: And you kind of you pick like different types of music that you can do.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: I have a happy playlist that I put on.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: Happy playlist.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_03: Happy playlist.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's got everything from Led Zeppelin to Bowie to Carly Minogue on it.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's it's a plethora of music.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_03: And then, you know, love to put on some puccini too, depending on what I'm playing.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: But that's usually my go-to.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: So cool.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: Sing along, bop along.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: Bowie comes on, and I can't help but get up and dance.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone goes for like a different jive of the music.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like gets them going.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's so cool.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Theme's the same.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's always saying he's inspired by music.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: Music's always it's everywhere for me.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: So drive away.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: I find it hard not to paint, like to paint without it.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: It does definitely help.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: But it can set your rhythm and your mood too.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you listen to something a little bit heavier, like you're saying, like say Zeppelin or something, yeah, you're kind of bopping away and you're really like not thrashing out, but you're having a having a good go.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then if it's something like a um instrumental or something, you're kind of like just cruising along and changes the changes the mood.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's less aggressive and something smoother.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: Having a dance to it, throwing the paint at the canvas.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: Literally, I think when I was when I was painting, um, I don't know if I can say it, but FKN doing it.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: All right, fucking doing.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's the one that's the attitude of the finger that gets the same out.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's the coolest painting.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: So when I was painting her, I had Zeppelin going.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: Just purely for that reason.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, have it there.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that inner attitude, just like things you can't do in public that you can put in a painting is totally acceptable because it's art.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: So um before we we're coming up to time here, um, just before we that's good.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's gone, it's just flown by.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um before we wrap it up, um, where can people find your work and and what can people find on Nicilla?
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_03: So you can find my I've got my own um Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok pages.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's Alice and KLArt um for both, or Alice and Kale Author Art.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can also, so I've got everything on there.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: I've got a Facebook shop as well, or you can DM me for any kind of details.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: At the moment, I've got some of my new works showing at Nicela Gallery.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um we're at uh suite 22, 157 on Crown Street in the mall there in Wollongong.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can contact me via um my email addresses, which uh Nicilla start again.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: Nicela Gallery for Instagram is Nicella.gallery.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: And we also have Facebook there.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: You can message me, call me, email.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, follow those and you'll find all the information you need, where we are and all that.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_03: Or just Google Nicela Gallery and it'll come up.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: We'll put all that in the show notes as well.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: So all the links.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Make it a little bit easier.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: I I strongly encourage you to get into the gallery and check out.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come and have a look.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: Especially you'll go and get hungry if you like me.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: I went and got hungry because all Alice's paintings look like whipped cream on the whites and things like this.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: They got so much texture as it looks like.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, go in there, like this looks like terramasu and this looks like taplover.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this, this, this is so cool.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: I've never heard art describe like that.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's fantastic.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: I do it as well from all my own work too.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'll look at it like, yeah, that's that's that's that's a mocker.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: If you've got one that looks like think of it as food or if you've got one that looks like Hamington, I'm all in.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, there you go.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm doing some painting down at the gallery, and I've got this brown out, and I'm trying to do these pears, and it didn't quite work anyway.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: I've gone over it.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm paint painting with these browns, and I swear it was like it was like vegemite all over this painting.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: I am hungry.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, it's like spreading the vegemite with, you know, when you mix it with a lot of butter.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the only way it's just like it's like it's like the sound of the there's like the smell of that with the crunches as breakfast all over you here, and you're like, that's that's the morning.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: And we've just lost all the American viewers.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: Listeners.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, that's cool.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I've lost it.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: That was amazing.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now, thank you so much for coming on the show, Allison.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: We really appreciate you for sharing your stories.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: It was amazing to have you here.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was really lovely.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: It was fun.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: We had enjoyed it.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: And um, thanks everybody for listening.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll again catch you on our next episode.