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A Legend · Sports Exchange

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Good evening everybody. I'll welcome to another edition of US Sports Exchange. My
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Boy, we have a really really busy agenda night. I hope you can
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stay with us the entire time and just want to talk about my crew.
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Right to left George Korn Route two tonight. Yes, good to be back
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on. Scott jb Ellis, how's it going guys? And last but out
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leaves Jacob Christner. What's going on everybody? It is a there's the second
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show, but I'm always happy to be here. Well, We're always happy
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to have you guys on the Core four as we have it, and of
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course tomorrow, just so you know, we have Pundit's fundent as well,
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Will started approximately nine to fifteen Eastern time. We obviously have other business to
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attend to prior to that. Normally it's at eight, but circumstances forces change
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it once a while tomorrow world, So well, all right, busy twenty
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four hours headline of the day. Unfortunately, we'll talk about a legend.
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Bob Knight dies at the age of eighty three as a career record of nine
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oh two three seventy one. He won a gold medal in nineteen forty,
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nineteen eighty four, the LA Olympics, three national titles, six winning his
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coach all time. Eventually forced out in Indiana when he grabbed an arm of
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a freshman student, had a zero tolerance policy implemented, and then, of
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course he had a notable incident choking up player Neil Reid had practiced in nineteen
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ninety seven. That was it. He was done. He coached twenty nine
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seasons. But the one thing I'll say about coach Night is he always ran
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a cream lean program. But that said, George, give me your thoughts
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about Bob Night. Certainly on the court he was a legend, I mean
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no question about it. He had a tremendous, like you said, record
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NCAA appearances. But I did have a problem with the way he handled both
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situations with the young athletes. There's no question that that tarnished his record.
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I mean again. He piled up the wins and piled up the postseason appearances,
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and he was admired by a lot of people. I know that.
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I mean, he was really right at the top of the list when it
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came to college coaching as far as basketball goes. But I just can't get
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those incidents out of my mind. You know, it's like Woody Hayes.
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Woody Hayes tarnished his own image with craziness that he did when he slugged at
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Clemson player that time in the bowl game, and now night with these couple
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of instances. But you know, give him his due, great man,
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great career. Just a couple blemishes and then those are the things that I'll
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remember most about him. JBI, Listen, you know, Bobby Knight was
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a legend. He's a coach that will never be emulated again because it'll never
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be allowed. You know, whether you love him or hate him, that
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that error is gone. I love the man. Did he go too far
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in certain instances, yes, unfortunately, But nobody's perfect. You know.
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I like the what he did as a coach. He was a winner.
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You know, I thought he just brought the best out of his players.
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You know, I thought he molded them to become better men. Did it
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work for everybody? Is everyone? Does everyone work best with that type of
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environment. No, you know, it's like anything in management, So everybody
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needs Everyone learns differently. Everybody has different styles of what they respond to.
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And unfortunately, some people don't respond to that type of a theory or orientative
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coaching. Some people need, you know, a players coach that that's like
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a buddy to them, you know. So, but he was a winner.
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He did nothing but win. He was a you know, a legend.
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And it's a shame, you know. I want to give his family
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and his friends and former players condolences and just a shame that he was one
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of the best. Jacob. All I can think about first is he probably
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got saved being knocked out if he would have messed around with Larry Bird.
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I because Bird would have put up with that. Bird was knock him out,
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absolutely clean out. But that's just going, that's just the same,
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that's just kind of here there. This was a guy. He is the
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most polarizing individual we'll ever seen in our lives. I mean the screaming,
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the hollering, the you know, I mean some of the ridiculous antics that
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he did throwing the chairs. There's other things, the back in the locker
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room, the pistons that he blew regularly, blew a piston regularly, and
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you're surprised he didn't have a stroke. You know, all of those every
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single time. But you know something there was that he could have gotten their
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attention in a better way. He didn't know any other way because he was
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an Army gil serge and we have to remember those type of deals. And
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this is from an older day. These men were just built different. They
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were. But you want to know that I think about he did win those
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three national titles. I think he got two n its from the earlier years,
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like Army and everything got one of those C titles. He's gotten eleven
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big ten titles, I mean all time greats. But one biggest thing about
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it ninety seven percent graduation rate. The only one that beat him was Pat
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Summons because you didn't have the w NBA. Then everybody graduated. So it's
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like graduated everyone. So it's like he's graduating people at a time when a
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lot of them were thinking of leaving early, when they had issues. Remember
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this is the eighties and rugs he brought about a bunch of doctors and lawyers,
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you know, the twelfth Men to the tenth Men. Whatever he made
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the biggest thing about it, some of them would leave to become his manager,
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you know what I'm saying. So these were the big deals of everything.
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Good for him for what he did there. Polarizing, but just like
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Mike Ditka, Dicta will be gone soon. You know that will be the
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last and it's like it's the last of an era. We're gonna miss him.
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Well, let me point out too, Paul Bear Bryant was tough,
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Bambody ever watched that movie The Junction Boys. That was the picnic And all
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Glaron Bryant did was win championships. One thing I'll say about Bob and I
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never met him, heard a lot of different things about him. I'm not
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going to offer opinion one way or the other. His players did graduate,
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and you know, Isaiah Thomas, even after his playing days were over,
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went back and graduated. So ran a clean program. One And here's the
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thing that people have to understand, Indiana basketball hasn't been the same left.
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They have not won a national championship. So say what you want about the
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other coaches that have followed them, but the Indiana Hoosiers have not won a
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title since Bob Night left exactly. Yeah, so put it out there,
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folks. I've always been a firm believer if you can, if you have
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an opinion, you back it up, and that's what you do. So
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rest in peach, Coach, Rest in peace, Coach Night, You'll certainly
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to get it out by Thanksgiving in the holiday time. Good, good point
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there, All right? Well, another Belichick coach, Mikes and dust well
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kind of okay. The Las Vegas Raiders fired Josh McDaniels, who is now
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the first coach in NFL history to be fired before the end of his second
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season by multiple teams. That's the first you don't want to be a part
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of. He was fired in week thirteen during the twenty thirteen season. But
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you know, while in his second season, so I'm talking week thirteen and
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now we're second season Denver. He did draft Tim Tebow and of course his
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head coaching record with the Raiders is twenty to thirty three and three thirty seven.
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When is it going to be enough as enough Georgia with all these Bill
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Belichick guys because they're not working out, No, they're not. And you
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know I was there. I covered that game Monday night, and I'll tell
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you what. The Lions had their number. That score should have been a
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lot larger than it was. You know, Jimmy g didn't have not a
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good game, he didn't have a good line. It was just a bad
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effort. And I'll tell you what. Davis's kid that's running that team,
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he doesn't want to play around with any more of this. He he desperately
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wants a wining combination there in Vegas. And yeah, I mean, you
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know, these coaches trees are interesting sometimes and interesting for Belichick in a in
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a bad way. You know, a lot of these guys never really panned
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out, unfortunately. But you know Detroit went through that when they hired Matt
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Patricia. So I don't know Josh Is. I don't even know who's going
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to pick him up. I mean, yeah, he can always go to
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be an assistant coach somewhere, but whatever, he wants to do. But
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in that regard, but boy oh boy, yeah, that did not last
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long at all. That was a ziggy that I don't think I actually expected
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it to happen this quickly. But but like you said, Scott, he's
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got a habit of losing jobs, you know, before he completes his second
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year. But the Raiders, they look bad. They look bad on Monday
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night, and that was that was not a shock. Well, before I
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turn out with Jvllis, I want to say the biggest mistake they made was
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when they let rich Basancia go with that team spiraling in the right direction,
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just because they were looking for a name and they got one. And now
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look where her at. Okay, I'll turn over to JB. Listen,
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the Raiders are horrible. I mean Detroit, like George said, could have
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scored like at least twenty one more points. And that's being conservative. You
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know, they're just they haven't beaten anybody good. You know, the week
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before they were playing in Chicago, they played Hoyer when they were probably were't
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going to win that game anyway, and they didn't played it in O'Connell,
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who's the rookie. Why wouldn't you have done that. You know, at
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this point, what are you playing for us? See what you have in
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the rookie Jimmy g is not playing anyway. It baffled me why they did
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that. And I mean to go to the comment about Belichick without Brady,
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what has he done? He was not good in Cleveland and without Brady and
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New England hasn't been that good either. So you know, take out the
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Brady years, Belichick's been an average coach. Yeah, no, great points
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somewhere, all right, Jacob, Well, think about Belichick. One of
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the biggest things also is he can helped create a system that helped get Brady
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through. And mind you he did that and he won one in Tampa also,
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but that was a team that was a team thing to be able to
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get them. So Belichick deserves his flowers on that also. But at the
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same time, he's not good the mentor. He's just not He's not a
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good mentor for people. I mean, how many coaches have gone through and
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been horrible. Josh McDaniel started six and oh, he started six and oh
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in Denver and every they had all of that issue with Kyle Orton and then
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they were six and oh and then they went eight to eight. Then at
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twenty ten it's one and four starting. TBO saves it, you know what
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I'm saying. TBO saves his he saves his butt, and that's what brings
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Peyton Manning in. But then after that he's gone. And then he's gone
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for twenty twelve. That's it to put and then he's back ten years later,
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twelve years later, two years gone. This is what needs to be
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said with someone like him. He used to be a blue chipper, same
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with Adam Gase. They become blue chippers because they know how to kiss.
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But but when a guy like arians waited twenty five years for his shot,
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the enemies waiting for a while, it's because the final interview sessions they're not
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doing and they're not saying what the owners want to hear or the front officers
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want to hear. They don't kiss. But and that's the big thing with
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it. It's like you need to look for these guys instead of constantly listening
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to the guys that know how to do the deal, how to play the
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game. All right, let me give a World Series update Texas Rangers and
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the Arizona Diamonds. You guys, do you guys hear me, yes,
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yeah, yea cool right? World Series update? First, okay, Texas
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Rangers Arizona diamond Max will score top of the fifth man on first two outs.
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I just want to bring up a fact here about the Diamondbacks, and
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then we'll move on. The preseason World Series ons for Arizona were plus twelve
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thousand, five hundred. They were twenty six in MLB, So that's what
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the Arizona Diamondbacks. So think about twenty six at twelve thousand, five hundred,
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and here they are. You know, this could be their last game,
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but you talk about long odds. Another interesting baseball note that I'll get
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to, and then we'll continue on with our topics. The Braves are the
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first team to win one hundred games of back to back seasons and be eliminated
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by the same team. Don't know if we mentioned that before, but I
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want to make sure that we have this baseball information out there. After all,
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we don't know how much longer baseball will be played after tonight, So
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I'll repeat myself one last time. We'll proceed to go further again. You're
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talking about odds. Nobody really has an exact science of this, so so
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twelve thousand, five hundred for the Arizona Diamondbacks twenty six and they're in the
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World Series. And again we would have thought that the Braves would lose to
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would win one hundred games and back to back season be eliminated by the same
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team. And talk about the Philadelphia Phillies, all right, Well that said,
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okay, it hadn't been a good year for Philadelphia's ors either, So
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think about it. Okay, guys, you know, we talk about George
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thinks being a little rough in Detroit for a while because our teams haven't gotten
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to the playoffs. But in twenty twenty three, the seventy six ers lost
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in the East Semifinals and blew a three to two lead. The Phillies lost
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in the NLCS, as I just mentioned before, and they blew a three
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to two lead. The Eagles lost in the Super Bowl thirty eight thirty five,
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and while the Flyers have simply missed the playoffs. So if you're a
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Philadelphia fan, George Eikhorn, I don't know about the runner up status,
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but I don't feel very good. Well. The one thing is though,
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that Detroit did not have, which is hey, at least we got there.
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Except for the Flyers, of course, and you can't say that in
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Detroit, but you can say that the Lions obviously are setting this house on
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the city on fire. Philadelphia is still a great sports toyle. I mean,
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let's not get ourselves. You know, you guys used to rank the
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sports cities. I remember on the show when I was on one of your
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shows in Philadelphia. Obviously, you guys and I agree, it's right up
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there. You know, they're very vocal. They take their sports so seriously
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and then give you a hard time boy if you're a loser, and they've
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had a lot of losers lately. But I mean, you know, in
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each one of those cases, i mean, yeah, the game could have
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gone the other way, or the season could have gone the other way.
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But I'm telling you, you know, you just you got to have everything
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lined up and everything ready to go, and you can't lose that determination and
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that spirit and you can't be afraid to make another trade or two to get
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to make your team better. And I think that's the case in the Phillies
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situation. I mean, they're depending on a bunch of sluggers, I know,
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and they did good, but there was a lot of things that pitching
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wise, they could have done better. As far as the Phillies go,
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Eagles, I think they're going to be right there again this year. Yeah,
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they lost last year, but I think they're going to be right there
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again. Sixers, who knows. I mean, they talk about a franchise
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that hasn't worn anything in a zillion years. It seems like this and the
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Flyers again, they've been struggling too lately. But it's still a great town
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sports. It's still great. Maybe I don't know. The way I look
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at it is it's not a bad thing. It's actually a great thing that
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your team's got. As far as they got up in Philadelphia could be like,
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you know, my hometown, New York, where it's a dumbster fire.
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You know. The Mets were perennial favorites before the season started and had
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one of the best managers of the game. The Yankees were a huge disappointment.
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The Giants and the Jets. Do I have to say anymore? Everybody
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knows they're horrible. The Knicks, they had a decent year two years ago,
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they were horrible last year, and who knows what they are this year?
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The Nets had a great core and they all want it out. No
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heart to rant, which I hope we talked about last night's game later,
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and if not, I hope have a rant because I got one for you,
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Kyrie Irving and James Harden. I mean, who's still getting traded.
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I think he was traded again today and then tomorrow because nobody wants him.
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Everybody wants to trade for him, then nobody wants to keep him. So
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I mean, let's talk about New York Sports and then Saint John's, who
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finally got Rick Potito to be a coach, but before that they had Chris
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Bullen, who was probably one of the best players that they ever had,
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come to coach them, and they still can't do anything to get to a
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tournament. And with Potito as the coach, they lost to Pace in the
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preseason. No coach has ever lost to Pace coaching Saint John's. So don't
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tell me Philadelphia has a bad sports here a bad couple of years. New
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York's in the dumpster right now. Well, if that's a rant, you
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did a good joke. Yeah, if you, and if we haven't time
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for another while, I'll be more than happy to let them ran again.
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Jamie, you take as much ownership of this show. All right, JV
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before I lose it, I mean, JB, all right, JC,
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there you go and I and you know what, I'm drinking ice tea tonight,
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so I don't worry about it. Let me let me say this,
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George. When you said the name losers, I kept thinking you talking about
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Philadelphia fans. But there's a lot of them. I mean, I mean
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the drive. Okay, we've had such a bad year, we have one.
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You're always near something. When you're always near, eventually you're getting over
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it. But see when they have this thought process of constantly saying, oh,
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but we have expectations, we have the expectations. When you constantly do
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this, you know what you do. You run Charlie Manuel out after two
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World Series appears as the one title. You run him out. You're about
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probably gonna run drown Thornston out. The way you act, this is the
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This is why I get mad at Philadelphia fans. Yes, you can have
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your you can have your passion, you can have everything. But let me
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this big thing whatsoever? Oh, we just will winners. You had a
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winner and then you run them out because you are delusional. You don't use
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nuance This is the thing. If Rocky Balbo existed, you'd run him out
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after his first loss of Club Lang. You wouldn't have given this thing.
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This is what Philadelphia fans do. I'm not even talking about the Santa Claus
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things, and personally that Santa Claus sucked. I mean they deserve to throw
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the slow balls on that. I'm not even worried about that. I'm just
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talking about they booed Mike Schmidt over and over and over and over and over
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again. They boot him and he's stuck it around, and then all of
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a sudden, he's their hero for seventeen years. Bs, it's like they're
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they're not having an issue. Think of Chicago. Try thinking of that for
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just one second. Cubs, they're all right getting there. Bears are miserable.
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Bulls there they're the mediocre. They're mediocre. And and then the Bulls
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fans went around run out Billy Donovan. They had to deal with Jim Boyley.
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So don't get me started on those fans with that. Blackhawks they've got
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badard, But how long will that take? Chicago's got a miserable time try
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dealing with that. And then the same with Pittsburgh. They want to someone
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trying to run Mike Tomlin out of town, and it's like, just because
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he's had some trouble with playoffs, it could always get worse. People,
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you don't use nuance with anything. Nuance is basically using two plus two period,
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and it's time to start understanding that act like adults. All right.
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The only thing I'll say about Philadelphia sports is Number one, I am playing
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for Bryce Harper to win a World Series ring before his career is up.
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I really really am. He's a guy that can relate to any era of
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baseball. Number Two, I have a feeling at some point or another,
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don't know when, Okay, that John Tortorilla will ultimately figure it out.
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Don't understand why they got rid of Dave Haxtall, because look what he's done
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with the Seattle Kraken. You know he's got that turned around a short period
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of time. So we'll see, you know, I mean, Philadelphia fans
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they show up in numbers, but yeah, they're gonna boo Mike Schmidt and
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give Santa Claus a hard time. And I will say one thing about that.
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I don't know if you guys heard the story before or not, but
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many years ago in Clearwater story Clearwater, Florida, rather at Jack Russell Stadium.
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You know, I was thinking about doing something on Steve Carleton, but
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you know, I knew he wasn't going to cooperate. I went over and
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got von Hayes because I'm Philadelphia. Fans started giving him a hard time,
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and one of the fans that six for one you better show what you're all
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about or whatever. They were really getting on this guy. And right then
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and there, the young journalists inside of me said, you know what,
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who needs Steve Carleton? I got von Hayzen. He was great man.
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One of my favorite interviews. Six for one was better than the one and
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went after my goodness. All right, every time I see a Philip,
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he'll be a fan. I'm thinking unemployed. I mean, it's just but
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the but the biggest the thing I get at it. I don't mind them
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wanting to win, that's awesome. I want that. I want the passion.
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I want that passion with the Bears fand because a lot of them just
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looking to be cool. Hey, jo, don't ruin a good story.
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Yeah, but but I'm glad for you for bon Hayes. On that I
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am. But that's my thing with Bill fans story. I know I still
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have a little teaching with you to do, but don't ruin a good story.
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If you ever have any hope for being a journalist, hope, don't
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be a dope. I wonder where you heard that before. All right,
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all right, well you know, I know, I know I'm just giving
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you a hard time because I didn't care. I wouldn't no hope with dope.
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Yeah, there you go. We come up with one liners here at
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caffin and no camp and it doesn't make a lick a difference. Well we'll
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take milk. Well we'll take the show to a different level here called Iowa.
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And I think one of the amazing stories of him I desk recently was
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Caitlin Clr Season debut in Iowa or she had a triple double in front of
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fifty five, thou six and forty six. That is pretty cool stuff,
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right, George? Yeah? Sure? Is you sure that wasn't a volleyball
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game in Nebraska you're talking about? Remember that? Remember that discussion? Oh
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what a tremendous thing, What a tremendous boost for Iowa. That was great.
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I mean really, you know, it's it's uh, what there is
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the old saying po dunk Iowa or no, is that po dunk somewhere else?
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When you talk about wigh and the sticks and that's Iowa. But I'll
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tell you what, Yeah, they really really packed him in. That was
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fantastic. I like to see those kinds of things. I mean, you
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know, we hit one hundred thousand plus for a hockey game. As you
24:45
guys know, Ann Arbor, when the Toronto Maple Leaf visited the Detroit Red
24:49
Wings back in the day on New Year's Day and George got sick and he
24:53
had to eat his press pass, you know how much that hurt me big
24:57
time, big time. Right here, I missed that. Sorry for you,
25:02
But remember we're not Hartburg, Detroit. We're talking Caitlyn Clark. Caitlyn,
25:07
Okay, stay on topic. I carn't Iowa. Good shop, Caitlyn,
25:12
good job, and good job for all the fans that came out.
25:15
That's wonderful. Now do I feel I'm gonna get a new nickname on this
25:18
show called the Policeman. That seems to be a tag that seems to be
25:23
hitting me. We won't call Hey, you know what, George? Next
25:30
time, I'm going to tattoo the state of Michigan right on top of your
25:33
forehead. Okay, because you don't seem to get it out of your system
25:36
when we have a show called Fire Up Michigan for it now every show you
25:40
appear on. All right, Javy, give me a little insight about Caitlin
25:42
Clark because Ikorn couldn't do it. So why is the Big Ten the only
25:48
conference that cares about women's sports enough to create these events? You know why,
25:55
why doesn't the Dissolving Pack whatever number they are, you know, the
26:00
Big Twelve, the sec You know, why don't just one of them try
26:04
something? You know, you got Iowa that did it with Caitlin. You
26:08
got Nebraska, which did it with the volleyball. You know, I think
26:12
it's great to get women's sports out there. Great for Caitlin to have a
26:17
triple double get in front of everybody. I'm sure she was fired up seeing
26:22
that many people. You know, they are rooting for the team. And
26:25
I think, you know, the other conferences in league should find ways to
26:30
increase the viewership and the fans of the stadium because everyone loves an event like
26:36
this. There's not a bad thing to be said about it. Well,
26:40
think about the Big Ten, though, JB. I mean everybody copies them
26:42
anyways in their own network. Everybody followed them when they started an instant replay,
26:47
everybody follow them. So let's face the reality. The Big Ten leads
26:49
everything and everybody ultimately comes around. So I'm with you. I think your
26:53
point is one hundred percent accurate. But you know this is a followers type
26:59
of industry, right, or everybody copies each other. You know, I
27:03
could sit here and give a Detroit moment, and I will in one particular
27:06
instance, even though I won't let Icorn do it because he's already shot his
27:08
limit. Anyways, But many years ago, when the two tight end system
27:12
was incorporated, they had David Hill and Charlie Sanders. All of a sudden,
27:15
the Cowboys used it. Everybody else started following suit when he had two
27:18
tight ends, and all of a sudden become popular. Or the shotgun the
27:22
same thing, and there's a good idea everybody's going to copy it. But
27:26
no, JB. Your own right. I mean, they got it right,
27:27
and I always have Kaitlin. You have Kaitlin Clark out. There's fifty
27:32
five, six hundred and forty six. How many people live in this state
27:36
of Iowa alone show but the game My goodness. All right, I'll turn
27:38
over to Jacob. I mean above Katelyn Clark. When there was those people
27:45
that were worried that Angel Reeve was taking her power, taking her deal by
27:49
doing this, you know, like with the ring finger and everything that was
27:52
taking that was taking her what's the word for it. I'm just trying to
27:56
say, anyway, taking all of her press. Will just say it that
28:00
way. And I was like, Nah, don't worry about anything. I
28:03
let Angel Reese have her time. Kitlyn's about to get hurt. Caitlyn is
28:06
now on with an nil. She is with State Farm. She's with State
28:11
Farm. Now she's get nationally And I knew that would exactly happen. And
28:15
I'll say this, JB. Being someone from the Midwest, I get it.
28:18
Why is it the B one g doing this? And no one,
28:22
not too many others. What else is there to do in Nebraska but Corn?
28:26
What else is there to do in Iowa Butcorn? You have this chance
28:30
that you have this chance to go to a fifty five thousand seat stadium and
28:33
watch basketball, and you get to do all that stuff in the cold weather.
28:37
Mind, you and you're able to do it and watch volleyball. You
28:41
do it because there aren't a whole lot of professional teams in these areas outside
28:47
maybe the Iowa Cubs, you know, getting all that kind of stuff like
28:49
minor leaguers. So the Hawkeyes are their things. So when you get this
28:55
opportunity in Kaitlyn Clark and they star, you go with it. Period.
29:00
Well, Jacob, you ever been in Iowa before? I would encourage you
29:03
to go to the Field of Dreams movie site. It's a pretty cool place.
29:07
So in Iowa one hundred times. Never been there though, Yeah,
29:10
well we're there, Diers, Well, Iowa. It's a really cool place.
29:12
And I think Frank Thomas is Iowa Cubs. Yeah, yeah, I
29:15
know. Cubs is a great, great stadium, great people. Yeah,
29:21
did you do an event there before? I think you told me what they
29:22
want to do? Yes? Yeah, because you have a bomb because of
29:27
the storm. Well if the show was a success. The game was unfortunately
29:33
only a few winnings because of the weather, but you know it was fun.
29:38
Great people the UH front office at Iowa and do a great job.
29:47
Well, I know that they have a rich history with the Iowa Cubs and
29:48
the Chicago Cubs. But the field of dream Site is really good. I
29:52
look forward to going back there when they fix it up. Another really important
29:55
comic related to our industry that I want to really get to is this.
29:59
ESPN's profits plunge twenty percent as uncertainty rises. According to OutKick the coverage,
30:04
Disney revealed the size of ESPN business for the first time in a row and
30:10
irregulatory filing. The company reported that profits for the Sports segment, a bundle
30:15
of ESPN, ESPN television channels and ESPN Plus, declined by twenty percent in
30:23
the first nine months of the fiscal year, down to one point four eight
30:29
billion dollars. Sales also decreased by one point three percent to thirteen point two
30:33
billion dollars. You know what, I'm going to lead off with JB.
30:37
Okay, this time, I have my reason, July. I know,
30:40
JB, we're working on a lot of projects together. But give me your
30:42
thoughts about what you think is going on over at ESPN. The lack of
30:48
leadership. There's their direction that they're going in you know a you know,
30:56
you could say ESPN and the regional sports that works forward and drove up the
31:00
price of carrying sports, which costs them more money because they show more sports
31:04
than almost anybody else. That's the first thing. Secondly, the lack of
31:12
talent, the way that they've treated their older people that have been there,
31:17
and by older, i'd be more experienced, not necessarily age because some you
31:19
know, age doesn't make a difference in this, but you know, they
31:23
let people go that have been there a long time. They don't. You
31:29
know, they have a narrative that they're pushing, and you know, a
31:33
political narrative nonetheless too, which doesn't make sense because it's sports. Sports can
31:40
intertwined politics, but the way ESPN does it, it's a little different.
31:44
They have a narrative that they want to push rather than you know, like
31:47
for example, Colin Kaepernick. That would be an example of where you have
31:51
to talk politics because it's there, it's evolved in the game. But as
31:56
a host on ESPN, there's no reason to have political view. You're there
32:00
to report about the game. You know, you're not there to say to
32:05
give your views about anything else. I turn on ESPN to escape everything else
32:07
and watch sports, you know, and they their narrative is one sided,
32:14
and a lot of people don't like that. Unfortunately, whether it be wrong
32:17
or right. You know, when I turn on the ESPN, I want
32:21
to watch sports. I don't care what you know, whose political opinion or
32:25
anything like that. Secondly, you have jokers like steven A. Smith that
32:30
say the stupidest stuff in the world. And I used to love Steven A.
32:36
You know, he started in Philadelphia or New York. He worked his
32:39
way up. How he's become an obnoxious thing in it. It's a shame
32:45
because it's such a talented individual. But you know that's part of it.
32:50
You know, it's a it's an encompassing problem, and it all steps from
32:54
lack of upper management with vision because there's no vision of what they want.
33:00
They want to lead a certain way. They want everything going this way.
33:04
But then don't go don't say something too much and then if you're there too
33:07
long and we'll just get ready because it costs too much. But you know,
33:10
you're good at what you do, just horrible management. Stick to stick
33:16
to sports. That's what people watch it for, Okay, George, Yeah,
33:22
I mean you've summed it up very very well there. JB. Yeah.
33:27
All the movement, all the shuffling of the deck and popular names that
33:31
people had come accustomed to watching and hearing commentary from you know, too many
33:37
changes at once, No question about that. As far as all the layoffs
33:40
that they've incurred, and I understand, you know, when when you're losing
33:44
money, you're going to start laying people off, but that that, I
33:47
think that really hurt as far as their prestige goes, when they started dumping
33:52
salaries. And there's so much competition, guys. You know, there's so
33:58
many things out there and the the you know, live streaming, and there's
34:02
so many movies and TV channels out and there's so much entertainment dollar out there
34:07
that's up for grabs that you know, a lot of people are just not
34:10
sitting and watching sports like maybe they used to on the weekends. And I
34:16
mean I heard the numbers from Fox too. They've been terrible for this World
34:21
series Arizona, especially being in there, you know, but and again it's
34:25
not their fault. They deserve to be there. But the ratings have been
34:29
just really low on Fox. But you're right, upper management and leadership is
34:34
so important and they seem to be lacking that. And you know, it
34:38
wasn't there was such a leader ESPN for so many years when I was younger,
34:43
and year after year. But now they just lost that vision, like
34:45
you said, JB, and I really think it's come into fruition. And
34:51
like I said, plus dumping all these guys and ladies that really were,
34:55
you know, the ones that helped build it was bad. It really was.
35:00
And that's why I think really hurts them right now, Jacob, I
35:05
can tell you exactly what hurts It's the fact that in just saying that they
35:08
did not do anything politically or anything narratives driven in the nineties. But if
35:13
they would have done it, they still would have had the audience who they
35:15
were the only one in town. But now with people tired of all of
35:20
this, you get OutKick, you get outkicked. It starts, you get
35:24
barstool for the meatheads. You get a bunch of us starting networks like Sideline,
35:32
South Florida Tribune. We started all this and then we And another big
35:37
thing is when ESPN got rid of the actual magazine thing, like outside the
35:43
Lines, you get the Pundit's pundit right, and it's like you get these
35:46
and it's like people just want to have an idea of if they're going to
35:51
have something that is important. They want to have debate, not one sided.
35:55
And then what ESPN became is just professional wrestling. You get someone like
36:01
Kendrick Perkins, you get that. Yeah, and then you get stephen A
36:07
about five foot three, you know, try to look at he's this modern
36:12
day George Jefferson. He's not necessarily great looking. He had to work his
36:16
tail off, and he showed he had to fake as swag before he actually
36:20
had swag. He's the modern day version and that's just what he is.
36:24
And stephen A got to that thing. But people get tired of him because
36:30
he's trying to He's a hard worker. You brought up yourself, JB.
36:32
Very hard worker, worked his way up, very very, very talented.
36:36
But he's living off the gimmick instead of trying to get the He does so
36:40
many shows and he works so hard, but he lives off the gimmick.
36:45
The only time he's his real self is on his podcast. Yeah. The
36:50
only thing I'll say about stephen A. Smith, and I like that characterization,
36:53
the modern day version of George Jefferson. I did like to listen a
36:58
lot to what you guys have to say. I learned a lot just why
37:00
I listened to my panel. That's really good stuff. But let me finish.
37:04
Okay, No, that's a good characterization. The only thing I'll say
37:07
about this, because I want to be conscious of time as well, is
37:09
Bob Lee's and Chris Berman's do not grow on trees. And they were the
37:15
ones that started this network many years ago, and I had the good fortune
37:19
of spending time with Bob Lee and to me when you mentioned outside the Lines,
37:24
I used to watch the sports reporters and Outside the Lines every time on
37:28
Sunday if there's a show I can learn. The only two people left there
37:32
that resemble journalists are Mike Wilbon and Tony Kornheizer for part of the interruption,
37:37
and they're the only ones that on that network acknowledged Chuck Hughes's death when none
37:43
of them knew what was going on. And George and I had to show
37:45
with Jerome Jerovich. Then he told us why because they pay all these kids
37:51
here that don't research people, and that's why they blew it there. But
37:53
I just want to make sure that yeah, Chris Berman's and Bob leaves don't
37:58
grow on trees. To continue to top, Jacob, go ahead, well,
38:00
yeah, you brought you got you brought up the kids, and I'll
38:04
just say this before I got to the final partment. The thing about the
38:07
kids is like every like I'll get on Twitter and that will be a little
38:08
political thing, and you don't like a say, it's hypothetically Hillary Clinton starting
38:15
to say something that is obviously wrong, which she would not say because she's
38:19
a policy wonk, which is when the policy people that are there, they
38:23
would know the facts. I will always say on the thing, I'll put
38:28
a little post up there and I'll say, watch your twenty year old interns
38:31
start firing your twenty year old interns, because that's not what you would say.
38:35
Then it's like an ESPN's got those same exact types, right, and
38:38
that's what. But the thing when I say that about George Jefson, it's
38:40
a respect thing, but also the real it is a little bitty man not
38:45
gonna say black man, not going to because it is. But we're gonna
38:49
make men here men not We're not gonna do the melon and deal here.
38:52
Right, It's like it's a little bitty man who who builds a talent but
38:58
he had to face he's not exceptionally good looking, but he had to fake
39:02
a certain swag to get himself somewhere until he made it. And that's why
39:07
I call him the modern Days George Jefferson, is because he faked it a
39:12
ton and build it well. Like I said, I think it's a very
39:16
interesting comparison. And I'm going to leave it at that and give you the
39:20
final word. So you can quit while you're ahead on this one. Okay,
39:23
give you a chance to quit while you're ahead. Okay. But that
39:27
said, let's go to Sports Business Journal. They talk about Cleveland Browns.
39:30
Miles Garrett has purchased a minority stake in the Cleveland Cavaliers. The twenty seven
39:36
year old will serve as a brand ambassador. Garrett is the highest profile person
39:40
to join the Cavs as a minority owner since the singer Usher purchased a small
39:46
steak in the team in two thousand and five. Let me tell you something.
39:51
When the Browns drafted Garrett, he said, if you don't draft me,
39:54
you're going to regret it. They drafted him and they haven't regretted yet.
39:59
So George I we have a two piece. Two versions there. You
40:04
got Garrett the player for the Browns and Garrett the businessman. Do you what
40:07
do you like from this guy? Overall? I like the fact that he's
40:14
ingenious. He you know, this is very good move on his part for
40:17
looking outside the box and trying to, you know, plan his career after
40:24
football. I mean, he's still got a lot of football left, but
40:28
I think that's very very good for him. You know, Dan Gilbert is
40:31
owner of that team, and Dan's from Michigan, and I think it's a
40:36
brilliant move to get somebody like that involved. I do I like him as
40:40
a ballplayer, but I think this one is a real nice move Scott,
40:45
because it shows that the player is concerned about what's he going to do after
40:51
his Obviously his football days are done, and now he's into a certain management
40:57
ownership type of thing, which is always good for some of them, not
41:00
all of them. I mean, Michael Jordan. You know, we've had,
41:04
you know, Magic Johnson, We've been so many owners of teams.
41:07
But that's good that the athletes are looking outside the box and trying to do
41:09
these type of things. So yeah, I mean, you know, you
41:14
know, he's a good player, and obviously I look forward to seeing what
41:16
he can do with the Cavaliers, because lord knows, they could use some
41:20
help. They've been down, you know for many many years, you know,
41:24
after their buddy laws left Lebron. So they need some new so to
41:30
speak, new blood and new infusion of youth on that ownership. Team TV.
41:38
Genius move by a genius man. Met Miles Garret in person to Super
41:45
Bowl two years ago. He was attending one of the events. Met himal
41:51
Line, nicest guy in the world, great football player. Good to see
41:57
he's thinking about his future. Obviously loves the city of Cleveland. He wants
42:01
to be there. That shows that with this move. Nothing but great things
42:06
to say about him. You know, I'm glad to see that the Cavs
42:08
ownership brought him in and I hope he does well. He's you know,
42:15
great guy. Well. I think what's nice about Miles Garrett and we don't
42:19
see that pro sports a lot, is you have a guy that figures the
42:22
starter his career and finish it in one place, and Miles Garrett is on
42:27
a projection to do it. Patrick Mahomes, I know, is not a
42:30
projection to do it. Ernie Harwell once told me many years ago during spring
42:35
and all the millions of times we spoke anyways, that even people like Ty
42:38
Cobb and a lot of great place players don't finish their foot where's one spot
42:45
Ty Cobb was one that Ernie prominently brought up. We know Tom Brady,
42:50
and the list goes on and on. Miles Garrett's different, and I remember
42:54
that when you look at the Cavil or the Browns, Okay, in general,
43:00
you know who's who's the offensive lineman from Wisconsin. Oh gosh, I'm
43:04
drawing a blank, but it'll come back to me. But these guys just
43:09
Cleveland's a good town there. If you retire in a place like that,
43:13
they're gonna revere you can. And business opportunities are always available. And I
43:17
know I'm drawing a blank. It was out of Wisconsin. I'm sure it'll
43:22
come back to me, but it's not the point. I mean, we
43:24
go back to our neck of the woods. You know, like in Detroit,
43:28
how many guys have gone away and then came back for business interests.
43:30
Miami had the same thing. They become newscasters. And Miles Garrett, to
43:35
me, it's just unbelievable. I hope to me that you know, guys
43:38
like him, you know, minorities to try to get in positions to be
43:43
able to own teams, learn the ropes. You never know. So I'll
43:46
turn over to Jacob. How many times do we talk about on Pundit's pundit
43:52
business in sports? I love every ounce of this because he got a minority
43:58
stake in Cleveland, sure, and the Cavalider is sure. The Shaq has
44:04
four in the four percent in the King's Look what his four percent took them
44:07
when he sold it, like something like what two hundred and fifty million or
44:12
something. It's not got that much back. You look at these kind of
44:16
guys that think like this, They're going to keep us from having so many
44:21
broke the athletes after the time is over. Just this kind of education that
44:27
you can have alone. And then you have the Patrick Mahomes. How many
44:30
does he own? How much things does he own? He even has the
44:34
woman's soccer club that his wife actually runs. He's got that too, and
44:37
he's and he wants to get into and he wants to get into an NFL.
44:40
We talked about that on that he wants to get into an NFL team.
44:44
It's like, this is the world that we are in, and I
44:46
want to see these men and women both you start doing this and the athletes
44:52
and change the world. So we don't have any other thirty for thirty broke.
44:55
And by the way, not to interrupt you, but Joe Thomas is
44:58
the one I'm referring to. Okay, Joe Thomas, we all know that
45:01
he didn't go to the NFL, drafted has drafted on his fishing, but
45:05
with his dad that those are kind of a player is There was no way
45:07
that this show was going to be done until I came up with Joe Thomas.
45:10
So thankfully it was sooner. I have a hard enough time sleeping as
45:15
it is the last thing I want to do. You come up with Joe
45:19
Thomas, come up with Frank Reynolds. Let me tell you what. I'm
45:22
glad you brought Frank Reynolds up because I'll tell you what, thanks a lot.
45:25
No, this is really a sincere thank you. I do mention Frank
45:29
Reynolds a lot in my book Lessons from the Microphone, and I'll tell you
45:32
what again. I know that it's a good educational tool, but Frank Reynolds,
45:37
under adverse circumstances, said don't. We don't want it first, we
45:40
want it right. And I know the one thing I've been able to really
45:44
the Jacob has really been able to grasp very well is I don't know how
45:49
much you knew about Frank Reynolds before you knew me, but I know you
45:51
know a whole lot more about him now because he's a premise of what that
45:55
book is really about. He really is. But you know it's just about
46:01
athletes, you know, And again you know it's safe to say, JV.
46:05
I know you've done a really marvelous job on LinkedIn. I know you're
46:08
on there all the time like I am. Georgia's on to a certain extent,
46:12
Jacob, I don't know your involvement is a LinkedIn, but I don't
46:15
know what's that I got one I got Yeah, Well, I mean if
46:20
you're active on it, great, if you're not, at least to have
46:22
one. But the point is you'd be surprised how many athletes you can come
46:24
across and what they've done after their playing careers, which I think is to
46:29
me just as important as they have on there. I think the one guy
46:32
that's always been my favorite is Bury Foot, the former cat major League baseball
46:37
catcher that I've had on from time to time. But yeah, I mean
46:40
Miles Garrett's a great story. And JB, I'm glad that you had an
46:44
opportunity to meet this guy. I mean, you know what an absolute great
46:49
guy. I mean literally stood there out of public, not at one of
46:53
the events, not our radio row, middle of a line, just you
46:58
know where he had to be himself. He didn't know who I was,
47:00
he didn't know I was in media. You know, we just had a
47:02
conversation. Just genuinely nice man. You know, so I really am nothing
47:09
but great things to say about him. Well, how do you not share
47:13
for a guy like this? Exactly? Okay, all right, we're really
47:17
running well and I and one more topic and then maybe he might get your
47:22
opportunity to do another rent. How do you like that? Okay, Saudi
47:25
Arabia, we'll host the twenty thirty four FIFA World Cup. I don't know
47:30
why I think I should start off with Jacob on this, but for some
47:32
reason, a little Bertie is telling me that I brought the thing in.
47:37
I saw icones on, iroll eyebrolls. I can see that, understood.
47:42
But Sudi Arabia, the biggest thing that we're seeing is someone made this up
47:45
the other day. It's like the three of the last four World Cups have
47:52
been in areas that are the LGBTQ not friendly whatsoever, like throw you off
48:00
the roof level, and they are going to get those. So that's those
48:05
type of things. So think that what's over that that is FIFA's that is
48:09
that is FIFA's answer to everybody asking the thing and how are they because remember,
48:15
in one case, FIFA will literally give a red card to a team
48:20
if they say, I mean, if they say some ridiculous things, you
48:23
know, the slurs and all that kind of stuff, they'll give you the
48:27
team of red cards and then they'll disqualify them if the fans get out of
48:30
control like that. So in one case they've got that down, which is
48:32
good, and the other case they're bringing it to these countries that just do
48:37
not care. It's all money in the end. This is what I always
48:42
bring out, like Saudi Arabia and the Qatar and any of these and and
48:47
any of these Middle Eastern countries. It's all the money. And so when
48:53
everybody talks about I mean, it's like, oh, we're gonna have peace
48:58
in this world, it's not there. And then there is so much ironing
49:02
and there's so much hypocrisy. That's in the middle of this when it comes
49:07
to when they bring it to our country and we're supposed to be the leaders
49:10
of everything. There's one hundred and ninety two countries in this world. We
49:15
need to pay attention to everybody. So it's like, quit blasting us,
49:21
quit blasting all over us. We'll do Everybody in the world is going to
49:24
do the best they can which to try, you know, being better to
49:29
ourselves. But if Sudie Arabia is going to get the World Cup, it's
49:34
showing FIFA just does not care. No matter what they do with the red
49:37
cards, it's just who cares what they're saying with that, It just means
49:43
you can't do it. They just seeds you can't do it on the surface,
49:45
but they don't mind what you're thinking behind the scenes. Oh Jbi,
49:52
listen, this is an interesting thing with FIFA. You know they're picking countries
49:58
that are her well funded financially. I'm sure there's something to do with that.
50:04
FIFA has traditionally been an organization that has been run based on money.
50:10
There's been people that have done things corrupt. Doesn't mean that they are right
50:16
now, but I gotta wonder about that, you know, and Jacob made
50:22
a great point with the you know lgbt Q, with the you know it's
50:29
important, they don't they give cards for it. They you know, have
50:34
teams that can't have fans because of certain things, and then you have a
50:38
country that doesn't necessarily have the same beliefs and you'll allow them to have the
50:44
biggest events in soccer. So I don't know, it just it seems like
50:46
they're talking on both sides of the mouth and it's a little confusing to where
50:52
they really stand. Yeah, George, well listen, as you guys know.
50:59
I mean, there's a whole process that leads up to this. Okay,
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it's called the bidding in the selection committee, and and you know what,
51:07
like you said, Jab, there's been slim and stuff that they've uncovered
51:12
for many, many years about the governing stuff in soccer, and nothing surprises
51:19
me. But I don't like this move. I mean, you know,
51:22
I just don't think that. First of all, we got a very unsettled
51:27
Middle East, and I know it's years and years away. I'm sorry,
51:30
it's I know, I get it, it's years and years away. And
51:34
I know they got a lot of a lot of money in that Kingdom of
51:37
Saudi Arabia. But I don't like it because you know, it was just
51:40
in cutter and I just think they should have gone somewhere else. But again
51:45
from what I heard, you know, the other countries that were interested,
51:49
was was Australia one of them, I thought, but it you know,
51:52
they ended up pulling out. So what's happening, guys with these big events
51:57
is it's costing so much money. You know, the Olympics is another one,
52:00
and they're not getting as many countries that they used to have bid on
52:05
these big events because these astronomical costs and television rights they got to pay,
52:09
et cetera. But for that purpose, that's just one part of it.
52:15
But like I says, I don't think that Saudi Arabia, with everything going
52:17
on in the world today, was the best pick. But you know,
52:22
money talks, and obviously, like you guys said, I mean there's a
52:25
lot of big spending going on in that in that part of the Middle East,
52:30
and and you know they they you know, want it. I guess
52:34
you could say fair and square. We think we don't know all the details,
52:37
but I wish it was somewhere else. That's just my heart. The
52:42
only thing I'll add to it. Then I want to be able to everybody
52:45
know where they can get a hold of you, and we'll have one more
52:46
in trouble for it called money obviously eleven years out. We'll see how it
52:51
all plays out. I mean, that's the only thing. And let's not
52:52
forget that Saudi Arabia behind the Lift tournament as well, so you know they
52:57
have their money tiled up in that as I want to go. All right,
53:00
Jamie, you said you had next to rant. You want to get
53:02
another one off your chest. I don't know. I don't know if anybody
53:07
so. The end of the Phoenix San Antonio game last night, Kevin Durant,
53:13
the SuDS are up three. Kevin Durant does nothing when they shoot.
53:19
When the sun episodes of the Spurs took a shot, he just stood there
53:22
like a statue. Did a box out? Did it go for the rebound?
53:25
Spurs got the rebound, get it easy, dug down. One inbound
53:30
pass goes to Durant. He gets trapped in the corner instead of passing the
53:36
ball, calling time out, doing what any normal person would do. Playing
53:39
basketball for as many years as he has, Bull gets stolen from him quite
53:45
quickly. He looks like the biggest I'm not gonna use words, but Kevin
53:52
Durant, glad you left Brooklyn. Can't win without Steph. You're not a
53:58
winner. You have all that talent, but yet wasted career. Thanks I
54:04
want you to, said Steph Curry. A thank you letter, said Steve
54:08
curR. Thank you letter, said everybody that played with you in Golden State
54:13
of thank you letter, because they're the reason you've got a championship. Because
54:15
you're not a leader. You're a great guy, you're a nice individual,
54:21
little thid skid, But glad you left Brooklyn. You're not from Brooklyn.
54:25
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