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The Kenny Report | 21 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: The anti Israel hatred and anti Semitism that's tearing at
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Speaker 3: Australia's social fabric while the Albanezy labor government does nothing,
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Speaker 3: but Labor is meddling in your financial security, announcing plans
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Speaker 3: to turn the Future Fund into a political slush fund.
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Speaker 3: Environmental groups tell labor what it doesn't want to hear
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Speaker 3: about our nuclear energy plans and I'll show you the
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Speaker 3: weirdest event at the Australian Pavilion in the climate talks
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Speaker 3: in Azerbaijan.
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Speaker 2: Also Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson join me to wrap up.
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Speaker 3: The week, including Jeremy Clarkson as the farmer's hero in Britain.
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Speaker 2: Let's get in with it and get on with it.
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Speaker 3: We're facing a national crisis and our national government is
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Speaker 3: doing nothing about it except making matters worse. The very
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Speaker 3: fundamentals of this nation are under constant attack now and
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Speaker 3: the Albanese government is doing nothing to protect them. If
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Speaker 3: Australia stands for anything at all, it stands for people
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Speaker 3: of all ethnic backgrounds and faiths living in harmony and
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Speaker 3: respecting our democratic values while showing tolerance for other views.
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Speaker 3: That principle has now been under sustained attack in this
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Speaker 3: country since the very day after the October the seventh
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Speaker 3: atrocities in Israel last year, and the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 3: his government have done nothing but make it worse. This
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Speaker 3: makes me angry and deeply worried. I've been expressing my
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Speaker 3: concerns since October the ninth last year, and every day
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Speaker 3: it only ever gets worse.
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Speaker 2: Last night, in Wallara.
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Speaker 3: In the eastern suburbs of Sydney, just around the corner
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Speaker 3: from a Jewish hospital, one car was set ablaze and
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Speaker 3: ten others daubed with anti Israel graffiti. And this due
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Speaker 3: hatred was sprayed across nearby buildings, including a unit block
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Speaker 3: and a well known restaurant. This is sickening, it's dangerous,
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Speaker 3: and it's deeply worrying. Just about everybody is condemning this,
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Speaker 3: but of course who wouldn't condemn this. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: issued a statement. Of course, Anthony Alberzi condemned it. But
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Speaker 3: what's he done over the past thirteen months, What has
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Speaker 3: he done to stamp out this rising tide of anti Semitism?
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Speaker 2: The answer is nothing. He's been feeble, He's been weak.
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Speaker 3: At one stage he appointed some special envoy against anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism or something, and of course he felt the need
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Speaker 3: to appoint one against Islamophobia too, even though we don't
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Speaker 3: see that here.
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Speaker 2: This is typical of.
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Speaker 3: The weakness, the false equivalence that Alberizi has given us.
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Speaker 3: Labor has only fueled the problem with this weakness and
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Speaker 3: with their constant willingness to attack Israel, to unfairly attack
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Speaker 3: Israel's efforts to defend itself and protect its people and
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Speaker 3: eradicate humm Us, and Labour has caved into the terrorists
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Speaker 3: and the anti Israel activists by backing United Nations motions
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Speaker 3: condemning Israel and pushing the fantasy of a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 3: So Labor has been playing with fire, desperate for the
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Speaker 3: votes of Muslim communities, desperate to protect other votes by
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Speaker 3: matching the radicalism of the Greens, and desperate to identify
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Speaker 3: with the global left, which is even more anti Israel
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Speaker 3: than it is anti American. And so Labor has given
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Speaker 3: us antagonism towards Israel, that is antagonism towards the nation
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Speaker 3: and the people who are victims of terrorism, victims of
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Speaker 3: attacks from humm us has been Islamic jihad, the hooties
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Speaker 3: and Iran and labor has been weak.
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Speaker 2: On law and order here at home.
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Speaker 3: Just remember this on October the eighth last year. That is,
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Speaker 3: while the bodies of women, children, men, the elderly, entire
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Speaker 3: families in their homes, and the bodies of young girls
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Speaker 3: and men at a music festival, while these bodies were
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Speaker 3: still being found and retrieved and identified, and while two
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty hostages were being dragged screaming into tunnels
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Speaker 3: and hovels in Gaza to be raped and murdered. While
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Speaker 3: all this was still going on, this is what was
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Speaker 3: said to cheering crowds on the streets of Sydney. I'm sly,
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Speaker 3: I'm smiling, and I'm happy.
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Speaker 2: That's a day of.
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Speaker 3: My point now is the same point I made back then.
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Speaker 3: What did the federal government do about that? What did
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Speaker 3: the state government do? What about the federal police? The
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Speaker 3: state police asio? What did they do? They did nothing?
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Speaker 3: No one was charged, no one arrested. This is hate speech,
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Speaker 3: this is incitement. This is a celebration of terrorism. The
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Speaker 3: politicians didn't even directly address this despicable event.
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Speaker 2: They should have gone there, met those people.
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Speaker 3: Condemned them, condemned those views, warned them at.
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Speaker 2: The very least.
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Speaker 3: Instead, this nation was given the message that hatred of
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Speaker 3: that kind, the reveling and terrorist slaughter, triumphalism about kidnapping
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Speaker 3: babies and young women as hostages. They were given the
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Speaker 3: message that we can tolerate that in our society. What
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Speaker 3: an abomination. So the very next night we saw this.
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Speaker 3: It was sickening. It's frightening to know that that hatred
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Speaker 3: exists among us. It's about as UnAustralian as you can get.
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Speaker 3: And again, Albanisi and the whole crew did nothing. No
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Speaker 3: one was arrested. Jews trying to mourn their dead were
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Speaker 3: warned away. And the police have told everyone that if
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Speaker 3: they heard death to Jews, they were wrong. Apparently it
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Speaker 3: was only where's the Jews, which is every bit as
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Speaker 3: disgusting and every bit as threatening. And we saw the
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Speaker 3: anti Israel mobs go into Jewish areas in Melbourne, threatening,
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Speaker 3: intimidating and abusing, and we've seen the same thing in
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Speaker 3: Sydney's Jewish suburbs.
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Speaker 2: It just goes on and on, this hatred.
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Speaker 3: The anti Israel protests have been repeated they've portrayed themselves
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Speaker 3: as pro Palestinian, but have morphed regularly into pro Humas
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Speaker 3: and pro Hesbala marches, chanting against Israel and against America
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Speaker 3: and against Australia. And again, the protests have been facilitated
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Speaker 3: rather than tackled. The hate speech has not been stopped.
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Speaker 3: After an outcry from some of this in the media,
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Speaker 3: the most that's happened is a few people have been
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Speaker 3: charged over Nazi symbols and terrorist flags. Weakness is provocative.
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Speaker 3: While state and federal governments have tolerated this hatred on
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Speaker 3: the streets, they've actually helped to fuel the anger with
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Speaker 3: their anti Israel rehtoric and actions. Ask yourselves, how often
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Speaker 3: you've heard our our government call on Hummus to surrender.
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Speaker 3: When have they demanded that Hummas lays down its arms,
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Speaker 3: surrenders its terrorists, release the hostages.
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Speaker 2: And ends the war. No, they call on Israel to
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Speaker 2: enact the ceasefire.
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Speaker 3: Why why why don't they demand Hummas unilaterally end their
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Speaker 3: attacks against Israel, end the aggression. And much of the media,
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Speaker 3: especially the ABC, also fuels the hatred. Every death in
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Speaker 3: Gaza apparently is a civilian. Every casualty number and description
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Speaker 3: is quoted from the ghas and health authorities. In other words,
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Speaker 3: it comes from hummus. We are fed hummus propaganda. And
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Speaker 3: so it is that only ever civilians who are killed
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Speaker 3: and injured, well left to wonder. Who marched into Israel
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Speaker 3: and slaughtered twelve hundred people, civilians, who captured two hundred
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Speaker 3: and fifty hostages, raped and killed them and still holds
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Speaker 3: almost one hundred of them?
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Speaker 2: Civilians again?
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Speaker 3: And who cheered as the hostages and dead bodies were
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Speaker 3: paraded around the streets of Gaza, cheered the young women,
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Speaker 3: the babies, the broken bodies taken back as trophies and hostages.
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Speaker 3: I guess those cheers were from civilians too. And who
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Speaker 3: dug the tunnels and filled them with weapons? And who
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Speaker 3: fires those weapons? Who fires the rockets constantly targeting Israeli towns,
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Speaker 3: I guess that's more civilians as well. Have the Gazan
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Speaker 3: authorities ever reported that terrorists have been killed in Israeli attacks?
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Speaker 3: Of course, the death of civilians is terrible. It's horrific,
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Speaker 3: and the way to stop that is to stop the terrorism,
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Speaker 3: stop the war. So media along with governments have a
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Speaker 3: lot to answer for. There are Muslim hate preachers still
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Speaker 3: spreading bile in our cities and governments do nothing to
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Speaker 3: stop them.
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Speaker 2: And now we've had.
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Speaker 3: This atrocious fire and graffiti attack in Sydney's Eastern suburbs
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Speaker 3: and we get this from police.
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Speaker 4: There's a number of lines of inquiries in your stuff, Wels,
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Speaker 4: police are looking at at the moment.
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Speaker 2: It's early in the investigation.
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Speaker 4: We're trying to determine the motivation for the offensive graffiti.
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Speaker 3: Determine the motivation. We don't know the motivation. It's anti Semitic,
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Speaker 3: anti Israel graffiti. It's jew hatred near a Jewish hospital.
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Speaker 3: The police didn't even mention the word Jew or Jewish,
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Speaker 3: or Israel or anti Semitism, but they said.
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Speaker 2: This, this incident is an isolated incident.
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Speaker 4: Those vehicles, like I said, there were ten that were
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Speaker 4: graffitied and there were three premises and that's all that
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Speaker 4: we have at the moment. And it hasn't been anything
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Speaker 4: of this similar type of graffiti in recent times.
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Speaker 2: An isolated incident.
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Speaker 3: I've shown you just a moment ago, the provocative protests
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Speaker 3: going into Sydney's Eastern suburbs, and there's been other graffiti
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Speaker 3: attacks daubing the words and symbols of Hummas across shops
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Speaker 3: in Jewish areas these Eastern suburbs in the same police
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Speaker 3: command area anti Jewish pro terrorist graffiti. There have also
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Speaker 3: been anti Semitic taunts a Jewish school children in the area.
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Speaker 3: Yet the police tell us last night's attack was an
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Speaker 3: isolated incident.
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Speaker 2: No, that's the whole point. It's part of a pattern.
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Speaker 3: It's been happening since October the eighth last year, and
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Speaker 3: it's getting more and more concerning, and our politicians and
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Speaker 3: authorities are doing less and less to stop it. No
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Speaker 3: wonder the Israeli Embassy in Australia has spoken out concerned
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Speaker 3: about the safety of Jewish Australians. Words are no longer enough,
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Speaker 3: says the israel Embassy.
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Speaker 2: It is time for action.
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Speaker 3: The time for action was actually thirteen months ago, it
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Speaker 3: was October last year. But the need is dire now
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Speaker 3: and the federal government cannot be allowed to escape its
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Speaker 3: responsibility here. This is not the Australia we have all
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Speaker 3: grown up in. This is not the Australia we want,
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Speaker 3: and this is not the Australia we should ever have
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Speaker 3: to accept. I want to go to Marni Perlstein, who's
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Speaker 3: a Jewish advocate from Sydney who lives in Sydney's Eastern
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Speaker 3: Sobers and joins us now Live Marty tell us what
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Speaker 3: the sense you have in your personal life and in
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Speaker 3: your community after last night's attacks.
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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Chris. I would like to say
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Speaker 5: that personally, I am really angry. I'm really angry because
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Speaker 5: the attacks come, as you've just said, after a long
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Speaker 5: list of incidents that have been taking place over four
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Speaker 5: hundred and ten days, with almost zero government action, zero consequences,
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Speaker 5: no arrests, no reform in terms of policy, and this
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Speaker 5: kind of behavior has just been allowed to grow and
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Speaker 5: run rampant in our country.
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Speaker 2: Is it scared?
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Speaker 1: It is scary.
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Speaker 5: I mean, we are a very resilient and a very
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Speaker 5: united and a very strong community, but it is scary
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Speaker 5: because this is something that we haven't seen in my lifetime,
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Speaker 5: in my parents' lifetime. I think it's scary for all Australians.
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Speaker 5: I'm an Australian woman and an Australian advocate, but this
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Speaker 5: is actually an Australian story because it may start with
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Speaker 5: Jewish groups, but it never ends with Jewish groups. It's
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Speaker 5: scary for all Australians to have to deal with any
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Speaker 5: kind of hatred in this country.
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Speaker 2: I was particularly taken aback.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be too critical of police, and
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Speaker 3: I've got a difficult job, but to describe this as
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Speaker 3: an isolated incident goes against everything we've seen over the
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Speaker 3: past thirteen months.
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Speaker 5: This is not an isolated incident. I actually have a
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Speaker 5: list here that I just made a few minutes ago.
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Speaker 5: Since the incident on the steps of the Sydney Opera House,
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Speaker 5: it's every single day almost there has been an incident
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Speaker 5: that was worthy of police intervention. I'm an online advocate.
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Speaker 5: I have been posting every single day since the October
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Speaker 5: ninth incident on the Opera House steps, and every single
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Speaker 5: day there is something to talk about in Australia, and
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Speaker 5: the follow up comment is always that there was no
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Speaker 5: action taken by police, and therefore the next day something
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Speaker 5: else happens.
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Speaker 3: What needs to happen, what do you fear most, and
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Speaker 3: what needs to happen from government?
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Speaker 5: I think there needs to be a change of government,
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Speaker 5: but that's another story altogether. I think this government has
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Speaker 5: spent over a year being completely inactive. I think they
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Speaker 5: need to give the police a lot more power in
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Speaker 5: terms of going in and making arrests. I think there
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Speaker 5: needs to be policy reform. I think there needs to
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Speaker 5: be consequences to this kind of behavior so that people
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Speaker 5: are deterred from doing it again or doing it for
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Speaker 5: the first time. It's like a tinder effect.
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Speaker 2: Marny, thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Chris Marney Perstein, their Jewish advocate the in Sydney's
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Speaker 3: Eastern suburbs.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 3: Earlier today, the former Australian Ambassador to Israel now Liberal
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Speaker 3: Senator Dave Sharma I held a joint press conference at
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Speaker 3: Parliament House in Canberra with Jewish Labour MP Josh Burns
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Speaker 3: to condemn the anti Semitic attack.
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Speaker 7: To target the Jewish community in Sydney in their homes
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Speaker 7: and on the streets. Is anti Semitism, plain and simple.
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Speaker 7: This is not about politics. This is about making sure
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Speaker 7: Australians can be safe in their homes and in their streets,
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Speaker 7: and the sort of vandalism and the sort of violence
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Speaker 7: we saw last night has no place in Australia.
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Speaker 3: To discuss this, Senator Dave Sharma joined me from Parliament House.
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Speaker 8: Well, look I've got in touch with Josh Burns this morning.
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Speaker 8: I've known him for a number of years and he's
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Speaker 8: got a represents the community with a large number of
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Speaker 8: Jewish people as well, and I suggested to him that
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Speaker 8: it might be helpful if we both went out and
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Speaker 8: condemned this as a show of broad condemnation across the
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Speaker 8: political spectrum. That whatever your views about the conflict overseas,
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Speaker 8: the sort of violence and intimidation we're seeing on the
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Speaker 8: streets of Sydney and Australia, but those events last night
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Speaker 8: have no place in Australia and they're condemned across the spectrum.
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Speaker 3: Now, you've been giving praise to the police for taking
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Speaker 3: this seriously, and yes, they've described as a hate crime
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Speaker 3: and they've set up a special task force to investigate.
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Speaker 3: But the police also said this was an isolated incident.
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Speaker 3: Surely it's anything, but we've seen a rise in anti
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Speaker 3: semitism at tax graffiti across the country and particularly in
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Speaker 3: the eastern suburbs of Sydney for over a year now.
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Speaker 8: I wouldn't agree that it's an isolated incident or christ
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Speaker 8: And as I said today, I mean it's part of
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Speaker 8: a pattern of behavior that we have seen consistently now
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Speaker 8: over the last fourty months, attacks directed at Jewish Australians
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Speaker 8: designed to intimidate, instill fear, and silence them, stop them
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Speaker 8: from speaking out, stop them from identifying themselves as Jewish.
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Speaker 8: So I'm pleased that the police, in my conversations with them,
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Speaker 8: seem to be taking this seriously.
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Speaker 1: I think a task force is good.
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Speaker 8: They've got canaterrorism and hate crime units involved, which I
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Speaker 8: think is important.
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Speaker 1: But the proof will be in the putting here.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we need to see people arrested, we need
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Speaker 8: to see people charge, and we need to see people
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Speaker 8: sentenced for this, because until we start seeing that happening,
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Speaker 8: I don't think we're sending the deterrent message we need
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Speaker 8: to to these radical actors in our midst Now.
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Speaker 3: Their location was fascinating because there is a Jewish hospital
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Speaker 3: around the corner, but this was largely outside a restaurant
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Speaker 3: that's got no particular connection to the Jewish community, and
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Speaker 3: other houses nearby is the Turkish consulate and there was
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Speaker 3: the graffiti of PKK, which could be a representation of
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Speaker 3: a Kurdish militant group that's active in Turkey.
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Speaker 8: Does that disturb you, I'm curious to know what the
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Speaker 8: connection is there, because you're the pkk IS. It's a
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Speaker 8: Kurdish nationalist group that has been outlawed as terrorist organization
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Speaker 8: by Turkey. There is a Turkish consulate in the area.
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Speaker 8: There's also the Russian consulate nearby, and in fact a
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Speaker 8: number of consulate buildings are in that part of Wallara.
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Speaker 8: But I am curious to know what you know if
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Speaker 8: there is a link there, and of course to find
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Speaker 8: out the perpetrators of the actors. I mean, Kurtas and
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Speaker 8: Jews have traditionally as peoples anyway, had okay relations, I
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Speaker 8: would say, not warm, but not as hostile as you
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Speaker 8: might have between other people. So this would seem a
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Speaker 8: little strange to me, but hopefully the investigation will reveal more.
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Speaker 3: All Right, My real concern here of outline at the
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Speaker 3: top of the program is these concerns about anti Semitic
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Speaker 3: behavior in this country. Since October the eighth last year,
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Speaker 3: we've seen the celebration of the slaughter at La Kember.
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Speaker 3: We've seen the chants of the opera house steps, We've
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Speaker 3: seen Hamas and Hezbala flags, We've seen intimidatory protests, we've
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Speaker 3: seen graffiti attacks, like this. I say that at every
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Speaker 3: step along the way, the Anthony Albanesi Labor government has
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Speaker 3: been too weak. I think our state governments and state
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Speaker 3: police forces should have done more, don't we. I know
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Speaker 3: it's getting very late, but if this stuff is escalating,
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Speaker 3: we need stronger statements, stronger action from politicians and police authorities.
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Speaker 1: I agree wholeheartedly Chris.
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Speaker 8: It's clear that the actions that have been taken to
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Speaker 8: date are not deterring this. I mean, this attack last
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Speaker 8: night is just one in a number of episodes like this.
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Speaker 8: Just last month we saw protests glorifying Hassan Nostralla again,
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Speaker 8: chanting slogans directed at Jews, I mean Jewish Australians who
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Speaker 8: are as entitled to feel safe in their homes and
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Speaker 8: communities and as entitled to exercise that political rights. Any
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Speaker 8: Australians have not felt that safety and comfort that they
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Speaker 8: should have felt over the last forty months. And that's
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Speaker 8: a failure on authorities. But it's most profoundly a failure
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Speaker 8: on government, state and federal to if their current tactics
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Speaker 8: not working, if this problem is not going away, they
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Speaker 8: need to up the effort, up the rhetoric, up the
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Speaker 8: resources and up the policing intensity.
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Speaker 2: And this is fundamental to this nation.
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Speaker 3: This is bigger than Jewish Australians, as important as that is, but.
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Speaker 2: The fundamental premise of this nation is.
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Speaker 3: That we should live here in harmony and tolerate other
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Speaker 3: people of other ethnic backgrounds and other faiths.
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Speaker 2: And this is being undermined.
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Speaker 3: The social cohesion is being undermined right before our very eyes.
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Speaker 8: I agree, and I think this is a very important point.
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Speaker 8: There's some people who think, look, this is just an
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Speaker 8: issue between Jewish Australians and people who care about the
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Speaker 8: conflict in the Middle East. That is not true. This
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Speaker 8: is about Australia. It's about the society we are. It's
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Speaker 8: about the values we uphold. It's about us being able
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Speaker 8: to live harmoniously together by allowing for the respectful difference
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Speaker 8: of opinions and not allowing that to degenerate into violence,
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Speaker 8: intimidation and harassment. Because you know, the only way that
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Speaker 8: a country like Australia, made up of multiple faiths, multiple ethnicities,
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Speaker 8: people of different languages, colors, backgrounds, can get along as
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Speaker 8: if we respect some fundamental norms. And that is what
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Speaker 8: is really being tested over the last forty months and
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Speaker 8: that is what we are failing to uphold.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, Dave Shama, thanks so much for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Chris.
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Speaker 2: It's worrying, isn't it, deeply worrying. We need leadership. Leadership
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Speaker 2: is what is required. Now.
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Speaker 3: I've had a bit of fun the past few days
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Speaker 3: showing you some of the disturbing antics at the COP
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Speaker 3: twenty nine Climate Conference in Baku, Azerbaijan.
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Speaker 2: But COP this, pardon the pun.
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Speaker 3: Let me share the clip, this clip of an event
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Speaker 3: in the Australian pavilion in Baku. And despite this all
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Speaker 3: happening in Central Asia in Azerbaijan, we're going to welcome
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Speaker 3: the country.
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Speaker 6: My name is Claire Anderson and I'm the group director
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Speaker 6: of Sustainability Performance at Walley and I'm very delighted to
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Speaker 6: be here today. And to start, I might whilst we're
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Speaker 6: not on Australian lands, I'd still like to start with
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Speaker 6: acknowledging the traditional owners of Australia and the Torres Strait
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Speaker 6: Islands and pay my respects to their eldest past president
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Speaker 6: and emerging.
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Speaker 3: Not a government official, she's with a private company. But
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Speaker 3: welcome to country in Australia. Welcome to country in Baku, Azerbaijan.
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Speaker 3: Let's go back down to canber I want to catch
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Speaker 3: up with Shadow Resources Minister Susan McDonald.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Susan, one out of left field?
22:32
Speaker 2: What do you think about that? Or Welcome to Country
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Speaker 2: in Baku?
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Speaker 9: Oh, it is absolutely crazy, isn't it. I'm confident that
22:41
Speaker 9: these Welcome to Country, which are now performed by every
22:45
Speaker 9: person who speaks, are they're taking time out of the day.
22:48
Speaker 9: I'm not sure that people are sure who they're acknowledging
22:51
Speaker 9: or how it is in any way progressing. The lot
22:54
Speaker 9: of Aboriginal Australians, particularly the disadvantaged and remote and are
22:59
Speaker 9: very remote parts of Australia, and I think we should
23:02
Speaker 9: be looking to modern day indigenous leaders like Senator nampajenker
23:06
Speaker 9: Price and ask her what her views are on this,
23:10
Speaker 9: and I think you'd get a very clear answer that
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Speaker 9: this is in no way helpful, in no way modern
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Speaker 9: and just frankly confusing. I would have thought to the
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Speaker 9: people who are there at the Australian Pavilion at cop.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I reckon they're great, right place, done in
23:25
Speaker 3: the right way, They're fantastic, but they're overdone now and
23:29
Speaker 3: doing them in as a Baijan is way over the
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Speaker 3: top and it just diminishes the whole thing. People then
23:36
Speaker 3: get their backs up and don't want them anywhere, and
23:39
Speaker 3: so people are to pull their heads in and get serious,
23:42
Speaker 3: get real about this sort of stuff. Let me bring
23:44
Speaker 3: you back to what's getting real in Parliament and the
23:47
Speaker 3: government has delivered its laws, its bill to keep people
23:51
Speaker 3: off social media till they hit the age of sixteen.
23:54
Speaker 3: Here's the Communications Minister.
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Speaker 5: We are agreeing that until the child turns sixty, the
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Speaker 5: social media environment as it stands is not age appropriate
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Speaker 5: for them.
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Speaker 2: This is a bit of a problem.
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Speaker 3: This legislation is rushed, it's going to be difficult to implement.
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Speaker 2: Is the coalition going to support it?
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Speaker 9: Well, Chris, you've identified what is something that is bothering families,
24:18
Speaker 9: particularly mothers right across Australia when they see their kids
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Speaker 9: being bullied, being harassed through social media channels. The horse though,
24:28
Speaker 9: has somewhat bolted when this Labor government is unclear whether
24:33
Speaker 9: whether I'm sorry Snapchat will be included. We know that
24:37
Speaker 9: TikTok is already taking data from Australians not just from
24:42
Speaker 9: their social media accounts, but from their phones if they're
24:45
Speaker 9: using it on their phone. So the issues of managing
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Speaker 9: children to keep them safe in their bedrooms much less
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Speaker 9: out in the real world is one that is incredibly important.
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Speaker 9: Dutton has been very clear on reflecting the views of
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Speaker 9: families right across Australia.
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Speaker 2: It's a big problem.
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Speaker 3: I don't know whether governments can fix it, though, we
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Speaker 3: will see. Thanks for joining us, Susan, and I appreciate it,
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Speaker 3: Susan McDonald with the Coalition in a Canberra. I think
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Speaker 3: in the end parents have to stop their kids having phones.
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Speaker 3: I'm successful so far, but I got four and five
25:21
Speaker 3: years ago till they hit sixteen.
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Speaker 2: We shall see.
25:25
Speaker 3: Now after the break, when it's about Labor rating the
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Speaker 3: Future Fund for its pet projects, Alexander Downer will.
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Speaker 2: Join me on Matt.
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Speaker 3: Now we all know the great Margaret Thatcher line about
25:39
Speaker 3: the problem with socialists, that being that sooner or later
25:42
Speaker 3: they run out of other people's money. Well, it's funny.
25:46
Speaker 3: It's always been funny, right because it's true. And Labor
25:50
Speaker 3: at it again. And this is something I warned you
25:52
Speaker 3: about back in January. It was actually when I said
25:56
Speaker 3: that Labor had its eyes set on the Future Fund
25:59
Speaker 3: that Howard and Stello initiative that's accumulating upwards of three
26:03
Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars for the benefit of Australians into the future.
26:08
Speaker 3: It's been a big success under the current chair, the
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Speaker 3: former Coalition Treasurer Peter Costello, who established it, but now
26:17
Speaker 3: Labor is handing over the reins to former union boss
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Speaker 3: and former climate change Minister Greg Combay.
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Speaker 10: What we want to do here is to make sure
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Speaker 10: that the Future Fund is an important economic and financial
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Speaker 10: institution into the future. The first step in ensuring that
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Speaker 10: is making sure that we get this fresh thinking and
26:38
Speaker 10: this fresh leadership.
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Speaker 2: Fresh leadership, fresh thinking.
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Speaker 3: Why would you need fresh thinking when the fund has
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Speaker 3: been safe and secure and has provided strong returns. Well,
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Speaker 3: the answer I fear is that Labour wants to put
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Speaker 3: the fund to political use. They wanted to invest in
26:59
Speaker 3: it pet projects like renewable energy projects. Yeah, Labor can't
27:06
Speaker 3: resist getting its hands on our money for its ideological
27:10
Speaker 3: and political purposes. I mean, the market work back its dreams.
27:14
Speaker 3: So rather than go with what works, Labour always wants
27:17
Speaker 3: to spend our money on trying to make its grand
27:19
Speaker 3: plans work. And that was the fear back in January
27:23
Speaker 3: and that's how it's turned out now.
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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Charmers announced his plans today.
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Speaker 10: The new investment mandate will require the fund to consider
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Speaker 10: priorities like housing, the energy transformation, and also making sure
27:39
Speaker 10: that when it comes to infrastructure that there's a particular
27:42
Speaker 10: emphasis on resilience and security as well.
27:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Labor pursues its goals with your savings, what
27:52
Speaker 3: could possibly go wrong? The Coalition had a few questions
27:56
Speaker 3: in Parliament.
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Speaker 11: Having already made a straight is poorer. Why is this
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Speaker 11: labor government making future generations pay for its economic incompetence
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Speaker 11: by raiding the Future Fund?
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Speaker 2: Fair enough question?
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Speaker 3: What possible justification could there be for meddling in a
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Speaker 3: successful future fund?
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Speaker 2: But Labor as usual was in denial.
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Speaker 10: And they got a lot of nerve asking about spending
28:21
Speaker 10: as well as the Prime Minister comprehensively pointed out a
28:25
Speaker 10: moment ago, we've been cleaning up the mess that they
28:27
Speaker 10: left of the budget that they inherited.
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Speaker 2: The mess they left behind.
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Speaker 3: The Coalition left behind a future fund that's now worth
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Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: And is on the way to three hundred and eighty
28:41
Speaker 2: billion dollars.
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Speaker 3: The coalition left behind hundreds of billions of dollars of
28:45
Speaker 3: taxpayers funds to pay for future public service pensions and
28:50
Speaker 3: other liabilities.
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Speaker 2: And Labor wants to use this money to fund.
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Speaker 3: Its goals, including its national energy self Harmy Margaret Thatcher
29:00
Speaker 3: didn't warn us. Let's go to Adelaide now and catch
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Speaker 3: up with the former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, who was
29:10
Speaker 3: part of that government that established the Future Fund. Thanks
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Speaker 3: for joining us, Alexander. Are you worried about what Labor
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Speaker 3: is going to do with that fund?
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Speaker 12: I think it's a shocking thing. This reminds me, Charmers
29:24
Speaker 12: reminds me of Jim Cans and the Whitlam government. They
29:28
Speaker 12: seem to be obsessed, completely obsessed with spending money and
29:34
Speaker 12: finding money wherever they can. And here, as Sich you
29:38
Speaker 12: quite rightly said in your comments, just a moment ago,
29:42
Speaker 12: money that has been sess aside and wisely invested in
29:46
Speaker 12: assets that generate a good return, and now they want
29:51
Speaker 12: to divert those investments I mean by definition into assets
29:57
Speaker 12: that won't generate such a good return and so we'll
30:01
Speaker 12: all pay the price for it. I mean they want
30:03
Speaker 12: to put more money into renewables, renewables are already heavily subsidized.
30:09
Speaker 12: That is not going to maximize the profits and the
30:13
Speaker 12: returns of the Future Fund. And it's the same with
30:16
Speaker 12: social housing and well, I mean what sort of infrastructure
30:20
Speaker 12: projects are they going to.
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Speaker 2: Direct money into.
30:23
Speaker 12: If these projects were profitable, then the private sector would
30:29
Speaker 12: already be investing in them. I mean, they're going to
30:32
Speaker 12: invest in things that won't yield a return. I mean,
30:36
Speaker 12: I think it's absolutely disgraceful and I think that, you know,
30:42
Speaker 12: the Coalition should make a really major issue of this
30:46
Speaker 12: the next election. This is precisely the sort of mindset
30:50
Speaker 12: that the Whitlam government had all those decades ago, which
30:54
Speaker 12: very close to destroyed the Australian economy.
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Speaker 2: These people are vandals. It is extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: Peter Costello, the former Treasurer and then of course former
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Speaker 3: Future Fund chairman, has been quoted in The Australian this afternoon.
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Speaker 3: So this is the latest reaction from Peter Costello. He says,
31:11
Speaker 3: this is a very bad proposal. I do not say
31:14
Speaker 3: this out of partisanship. I say this because the Future Fund,
31:17
Speaker 3: and I introduced the legislation in two thousand and five,
31:21
Speaker 3: was never set up to be a political slush fund
31:24
Speaker 3: to finance the whims of the government of the day,
31:27
Speaker 3: and that can be the only excuse for doing this, Alexander,
31:30
Speaker 3: As you say, if you're picking the best projects, well
31:32
Speaker 3: that independently it's going to pick those anyway because of
31:35
Speaker 3: the long term returns.
31:37
Speaker 2: If you're having to interfere and steer them in the.
31:39
Speaker 3: Direction of your hobby horses, you are using it as
31:42
Speaker 3: a political slash fund.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, it's clearly a political slush fund because
31:49
Speaker 12: their plan is to divert resources away from areas which
31:57
Speaker 12: will generate high returns into where is that are not
32:00
Speaker 12: so profitable or would generate negative returns, and so the
32:05
Speaker 12: consequence of this is that gradually they'll start running down
32:10
Speaker 12: the future Fund. It is completely contrary to the vision
32:15
Speaker 12: of the Howard government where money had been saved. I
32:18
Speaker 12: mean there I tell viewers, we ran budget surpluses, we
32:22
Speaker 12: paid off all government debt, we privatize Telstra, and soon
32:26
Speaker 12: we put our savings or many of our savings into
32:29
Speaker 12: this future fund. It's been very cautiously and very successfully
32:35
Speaker 12: managed since it's a real safety net for the country,
32:40
Speaker 12: and Charmers and Albanesi just want to want to raid
32:45
Speaker 12: it for their pet projects. I mean, whatever you think
32:48
Speaker 12: about the projects. By definition, these are not projects which
32:52
Speaker 12: are going to yield a substantial return, otherwise investment would
32:56
Speaker 12: already be going into them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad enough for we haven't had good governments
33:02
Speaker 3: since the Howard Costello years.
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Speaker 2: It's even worse that we.
33:07
Speaker 3: Got new governments looking to tear down some of the
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Speaker 3: bounty they left us.
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Speaker 2: So real worry. Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate Alexander down to there, the former Foreign Minister,
33:16
Speaker 3: of course, back during the Howard Costello years.
33:19
Speaker 2: Now, coming up after the break, I'm going.
33:20
Speaker 3: To catch up with how the Labor Party is looking
33:23
Speaker 3: to get environmentalists to bag nuclear, but it's not turning
33:26
Speaker 3: out that way. Some of them see the benefits. Let's
33:34
Speaker 3: get back into the nuclear debate. I did that doco
33:36
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago said nuclear was the debate
33:38
Speaker 3: we needed to have. It seems to be pretty strong
33:40
Speaker 3: these days, doesn't it. In April, Labor established a committee
33:44
Speaker 3: dominated by their own MPs, to inquire into and report
33:48
Speaker 3: on the consideration of nuclear power generation, including deployment of
33:52
Speaker 3: small modular reactors in Australia. Now Labor obviously wanted to
33:56
Speaker 3: use this committee to undermine the coalition's nuclear policy.
34:00
Speaker 2: But it's not really working out that way for them.
34:03
Speaker 3: Last week, an environmental group called we Planet testified before
34:08
Speaker 3: the committee. Now they described themselves as a network of
34:11
Speaker 3: grassroots citizens organizations united by a belief in science based
34:16
Speaker 3: solutions to the climate crisis, and if Labor was expecting
34:20
Speaker 3: more condemnation of nuclear they were left disappointed without Yeah, increasingly,
34:37
Speaker 3: environmental groups are the ones who see the benefits of nuclear.
34:40
Speaker 2: Tyrone Delisle is.
34:41
Speaker 3: From we Planet and he joins me live from Brisbane.
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Speaker 3: Good to speak to you, Tyrone. Tell us, let's start
34:48
Speaker 3: off with the big picture up front. You're concerned about
34:52
Speaker 3: climate change and global warming. You drastically want to reduce
34:56
Speaker 3: emissions across the globe.
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Speaker 13: Right, Yeah, that's correct, Chris. We have to dramatically reduce
35:04
Speaker 13: our missions. The science is very clear that we are
35:07
Speaker 13: heading towards two degrees of warming, and how far we
35:11
Speaker 13: go beyond that and how resilient we are to that
35:14
Speaker 13: future really depends on decisions that we make now.
35:17
Speaker 2: And we're not just.
35:18
Speaker 13: Talking about decarbonizing the existing electricity demand. We're talking about
35:23
Speaker 13: decarbonizing our entire economy and that's challenging and we believe
35:28
Speaker 13: that it's going to be very tricky to do that
35:31
Speaker 13: when we don't have certain options on the table, such
35:34
Speaker 13: as nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: And in effect, that's where the whole world is at right.
35:37
Speaker 3: The argument about whether or not to get to net
35:40
Speaker 3: zero is finished.
35:41
Speaker 2: The whole world is trying to get to net zero.
35:43
Speaker 3: It's a matter of how you can do that, and
35:46
Speaker 3: the argument in Australia is whether you can do it
35:48
Speaker 3: through a renewables plus storage model.
35:52
Speaker 2: Do you think that's possible.
35:54
Speaker 3: And how does the prospect of nuclear power in Australia compare. Look,
36:02
Speaker 3: I think the path in net zero is going to
36:05
Speaker 3: be difficult, and we need governments of all persuasions to
36:10
Speaker 3: be honest with the Australian public that this is going
36:13
Speaker 3: to be a period of difficult change and that we
36:18
Speaker 3: need to have all options on the table. So we're
36:20
Speaker 3: not necessarily saying that we should lift the ban and
36:23
Speaker 3: start building nuclear tomorrow. What we're saying is we need to.
36:26
Speaker 13: Get over this political hurdle and depoliticize the energy discussion
36:30
Speaker 13: because it needs to be about evidence and about good governance,
36:34
Speaker 13: and we need to look at individual projects as they
36:36
Speaker 13: come up. We're already seeing that there is great community concern.
36:41
Speaker 13: We saw from the hearings across Regional Queensland with the
36:45
Speaker 13: nuclear inquiry that there is already great concern among communities
36:49
Speaker 13: that these renewable projects are having impacts on biodiversity in community.
36:55
Speaker 13: And look, there are going to be concerns about nuclear
36:58
Speaker 13: as well. But as I say, our position that we
37:01
Speaker 13: plan it is that we really need to depolyticize this.
37:04
Speaker 13: We need both sides of politics to come together and
37:07
Speaker 13: be honest with the public that this is going to
37:09
Speaker 13: be a bumpy ride and that we need to have
37:13
Speaker 13: all options on the table.
37:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the sensible first step would be to adopt
37:18
Speaker 3: the will Shackle approach.
37:19
Speaker 2: And others advocating it.
37:20
Speaker 3: That is, get rid of all the bands against domestic
37:23
Speaker 3: nuclear energy. Labor says they've got no set against nuclear
37:27
Speaker 3: because of waste, because of safety.
37:30
Speaker 2: And the like.
37:30
Speaker 3: They're only against it on economic grounds. So let's get
37:33
Speaker 3: rid of the ban and see what proposals come forward.
37:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Chris.
37:40
Speaker 13: We believe that the ban is an impediment to the
37:43
Speaker 13: discussion around what is the best pathway forward. We know
37:48
Speaker 13: through the AMO ISP that is touted by Labor as
37:53
Speaker 13: their policy plan that there is no role for nuclear
37:56
Speaker 13: but i AMO are very clear that they don't model
37:59
Speaker 13: nuclear energy because it is currently prohibited under government policy.
38:03
Speaker 13: So our view is that we really need to get
38:06
Speaker 13: rid of these bands, We need to depoliticize the energy discussion,
38:12
Speaker 13: and that we need to get facts and evidence into
38:17
Speaker 13: the debate about how we get to net zero, because,
38:20
Speaker 13: as I said before, it is going to be a
38:22
Speaker 13: bumpy road. We need to decarbonize electricity, We need to
38:26
Speaker 13: electrify everything, our homes, our cars, and our industries. We
38:31
Speaker 13: also need to address livestock and other sectors as well.
38:35
Speaker 13: So we definitely need to be moving forward and we
38:40
Speaker 13: need bipartisanship on how to get there.
38:42
Speaker 3: Tyrone, you make a lot of sense, but bipartisanship seems
38:46
Speaker 3: to be a long way off. I appreciate you joining
38:48
Speaker 3: us as Tyrone Delisle with the Replanet Australia. It's pretty logical,
38:54
Speaker 3: isn't it. Have all options on the table and let
38:56
Speaker 3: the facts speak. Let's see what's best for the country
39:00
Speaker 3: rather than have partisan games played over this issue. Now
39:03
Speaker 3: we take another break on the other side and catch
39:04
Speaker 3: up with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson, as we do
39:07
Speaker 3: every Thursday, we'll talk more on the horrific growth of
39:10
Speaker 3: anti Semitism in this country and.
39:12
Speaker 2: Around the world.
39:13
Speaker 3: Of course, every week seems a little crazy until we
39:21
Speaker 3: get to this time of the week and we get
39:23
Speaker 3: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson to make sense of it
39:25
Speaker 3: all for us.
39:26
Speaker 2: So thanks for joining us again, gentlemen. Now it occurs
39:29
Speaker 2: to me that I should have put.
39:30
Speaker 3: A bit into our masters here at Sky News to
39:33
Speaker 3: have the three of us hosting from Baku as a
39:37
Speaker 3: Baijan for the past week reporting on all the ins
39:41
Speaker 3: and outs of the COP twenty nine Climate Conference. I'm
39:44
Speaker 3: certain we would have put a different perspective on it,
39:46
Speaker 3: but we'll have to try and do that next time.
39:48
Speaker 2: But if we do get to go there, if we were.
39:51
Speaker 3: There, I'm just wondering whether any of us would have
39:53
Speaker 3: expected to hear this in Baku as a Baijan.
39:58
Speaker 6: My name is Claire Anderson, the group director of Sustainability
40:01
Speaker 6: Performance at Walley and I'm very delighted to be here
40:07
Speaker 6: today and to start, I might whilst we're not on
40:12
Speaker 6: Australian lands, I'd still like to start with acknowledging the
40:15
Speaker 6: traditional owners of Australia and the Torres Strait Islands and
40:19
Speaker 6: pay my respects to their eldest, past, present and emerging.
40:25
Speaker 3: Now, I hadn't shown this to you guys before, and
40:28
Speaker 3: I'm watching you at the screen.
40:29
Speaker 2: Your eyebrows, all four of them, nearly went off the
40:32
Speaker 2: top of your heads.
40:34
Speaker 3: Could there be a more bizarre time and place mark
40:37
Speaker 3: to give us to the Australian Welcome the country.
40:41
Speaker 14: It just doesn't make sense, honestly, it's the definition of
40:44
Speaker 14: performative at that point. It doesn't make sense. We're welcoming
40:48
Speaker 14: to another country. Oh my god, my head's exploded.
40:51
Speaker 2: My head's exploded.
40:52
Speaker 14: I don't understand this, the breach of logic.
40:55
Speaker 3: It is, tim I'm walking me into a country that
40:58
Speaker 3: I come from, walking thing the original owners and I'm
41:02
Speaker 3: over here in.
41:03
Speaker 15: What absolutely I mean? You know it's one thing offshoring
41:07
Speaker 15: various industries. Now we're offsured air indigenous people of the
41:14
Speaker 15: original Australians.
41:15
Speaker 12: It's a bit bit rich.
41:16
Speaker 15: Although you know, my hand is up for a trip
41:18
Speaker 15: to Baku with the both of you gentlemen during the
41:20
Speaker 15: Australian winter because they host a Formula one Grand Prix.
41:24
Speaker 15: So really the grid.
41:28
Speaker 3: To the grid. The welcome to it is just bizarre.
41:32
Speaker 3: It's one of the most bizarre things I've seen and
41:35
Speaker 3: wonders we'll never see. So the only way you can
41:39
Speaker 3: top that is if we're finally getting the Australian astronaut
41:42
Speaker 3: to the moon and.
41:42
Speaker 2: We perhaps get a welcome there.
41:44
Speaker 3: Now, let's go to something a bit more serious and
41:48
Speaker 3: more disturbing, and that's the ongoing anti Israel attacks in
41:53
Speaker 3: this country and the anti Semitism. We had this shocking
41:55
Speaker 3: attack in the Sydney suburb of Willara last night to
41:59
Speaker 3: f Israel sprayed over about ten cars and a couple
42:03
Speaker 3: of buildings and one car set of light and I
42:06
Speaker 3: was astonished to hear the police react in this way.
42:11
Speaker 4: There's a number of lines of inquiries in yourself weils
42:13
Speaker 4: police are looking at at the moment, this early in
42:14
Speaker 4: the investigation, we're trying to determine the motivation for the
42:18
Speaker 4: offensive graffiti.
42:20
Speaker 2: Tim.
42:21
Speaker 3: If they're looking to determine the motivation, there are a
42:24
Speaker 3: couple of clues.
42:25
Speaker 2: Around, I e. What's sprayed on the cars?
42:28
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, the motivation is probably indicated by a word
42:32
Speaker 15: beating with F and the second word Israel. I think
42:35
Speaker 15: you know, not meaning to tell the cops what to do,
42:37
Speaker 15: but that might be a bit of a hint about
42:39
Speaker 15: the motivation. Just further on this, Like I think, like
42:43
Speaker 15: a lot of people on the right, I'm not big
42:45
Speaker 15: on surveillance cameras and that sort of thing and an
42:48
Speaker 15: overt police state. But in the when this is happening, yes,
42:53
Speaker 15: bring on the surveillance, and bring on as well, perhaps
42:55
Speaker 15: something that adds to the surveillance, something some sort of
42:57
Speaker 15: trigger mechanism associated with the surveillance. Because it is repellent,
43:01
Speaker 15: and it's exactly the sort of hatred that brought us
43:03
Speaker 15: October seventh in twenty twenty three.
43:05
Speaker 3: It's absolutely repellent. There is some footage of a couple
43:07
Speaker 3: of blokes the police are following up on. There would
43:09
Speaker 3: be a lot of security cameras around that area. There's
43:12
Speaker 3: restaurants and businesses and the like.
43:14
Speaker 2: Mark.
43:14
Speaker 3: We've seen this all year, and we've had such little
43:18
Speaker 3: action from state and federal governments.
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Speaker 2: There's no leadership on this. This is what worries me.
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Speaker 3: It'll keep getting worse and worse until people get seriously hurt.
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Speaker 14: One hundred percent of mate, I've had a guffle, to
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Speaker 14: be honest, and if you come to my area, Fitzroy, Collingwood,
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Speaker 14: everywhere you look there's a little f Israel sticker.
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Speaker 2: There's graffiti everywhere.
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Speaker 14: I was out for dinner the other night and a
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Speaker 14: car just drove past and the guy jumped out the
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Speaker 14: current and screamed death to Israel and everyone that I
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Speaker 14: was at this little outside venue with cheer chip. Again,
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Speaker 14: it's because we're not just we're not even denouncing this stuff.
43:54
Speaker 14: We're almost actively encouraging it. Now, where's the where are
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Speaker 14: the Greens. They're too busy, you know, chasing a ten
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Speaker 14: c against Pauline Hanson for a tweet, and they're not
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Speaker 14: they're not even they don't even.
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Speaker 1: Care about this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 14: And then we've got a federal government who are more
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Speaker 14: concerned about microaggressions and saying mean things to them online,
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Speaker 14: so they want to sense of the internet and denouncing
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Speaker 14: this sort of stuff. We need real leadership, as you said, Chris,
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Speaker 14: on this because I've had an absolute gutfall.
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Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking.
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Speaker 3: This is heartbreaking, it's so worrying, and that's a great
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Speaker 3: point you make. I spoke to Pauline Hanson about her
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Speaker 3: ad E and C conviction last night.
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Speaker 2: I think it's an abomination. I'm glad she's appealing it.
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Speaker 2: But there's there's the contrast.
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Speaker 3: She's hounded over that tweet that's supposed to be racial vilification,
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Speaker 3: yet every day in this country now there is racial
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Speaker 3: vilification of Jewish people. That's a that's a very important
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Speaker 3: contrast and paradox you've pointed out there, Mark.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to something just a little bit more fun.
44:47
Speaker 3: It's a serious political issue in the UK where inheritance
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Speaker 3: taxes are about to be imposed on farmers, and farmers
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Speaker 3: around the UK are up in arms, of course, worried that,
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Speaker 3: you know, they can't hand their farms on to their
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Speaker 3: family without paying a heavy tax. And Jeremy Clarkson, of
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Speaker 3: course has become a bit of a hobby farmer through
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Speaker 3: his TV series and the like.
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Speaker 2: He's a bit of a hero of the crowd at
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Speaker 2: the marches. Have a look at this, Jeremy, what's your
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Speaker 2: word to the government.
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Speaker 12: You Likeel skuy Please back down, Please back down?
45:19
Speaker 2: The word from Jeremy Clarkson.
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Speaker 3: I got to admit I like the guy, and I
45:24
Speaker 3: like the farming show Tim And the thing is he
45:26
Speaker 3: just turned up in the marches he's in the crowd.
45:29
Speaker 2: Holding a placard.
45:30
Speaker 3: Of course all the media went to him, but he says,
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Speaker 3: obviously he's doing all right. He's got plenty of money,
45:37
Speaker 3: but he's very much supporting all the farmers around the nation.
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Speaker 15: Well, Jeremy Clapson, like a lot of people who have
45:43
Speaker 15: the ability to comprehend history, is probably aware that government
45:47
Speaker 15: acquisition of farming land tends not to end up. Well, yeah,
45:51
Speaker 15: you know, I refer you to the history of the
45:53
Speaker 15: Soviet Union, history of communist China. This sort of thing
45:57
Speaker 15: is so brutally totalitarian and misguided. I mean, if they
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Speaker 15: does England want to keep feeding itself and the people
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Speaker 15: in sports too, or do they want to destroy destroyed
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Speaker 15: generations of farmers for some misguided class reasons, it's idiotic,
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Speaker 15: it's it's vile.
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Speaker 3: And the other thing, Mark is these TV show highlights
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Speaker 3: brilliantly is people have this romantic notion of farming.
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Speaker 2: You get out there, you.
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Speaker 3: Look after your land, you produce your produce and sell it. Well,
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Speaker 3: at every step of the path there's government interference and
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Speaker 3: government hurdles put in your.
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Speaker 14: Way one hundred percent. And I've you know, through some
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Speaker 14: of my previous work as well. I've actually got to
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Speaker 14: work with a few farmers and go out to long
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Speaker 14: reach places like that. I couldn't survive five minutes in
46:41
Speaker 14: long reach. I struggled with the solar panel. I was
46:44
Speaker 14: burned to a cresent in five minutes. These people are
46:46
Speaker 14: doing it hard and to your point too, team, It's
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Speaker 14: like this is the path. Socialism is all well and
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Speaker 14: good until you run out of everyone's money. But they're
46:54
Speaker 14: trying to suck it out of the wrong places. And
46:57
Speaker 14: the reality with London is it's got an enormous GD
47:00
Speaker 14: It's a very rich city connected to a very poor
47:02
Speaker 14: country and they're unfortunately they're they're punishing the wrong people.
47:06
Speaker 3: It sucks now, Ellen degenerous, your typical saw Hollywood lefty,
47:12
Speaker 3: always threatening to leave the US if Trump wins. She
47:17
Speaker 3: didn't last time, but this time, apparently tim she's leaving.
47:21
Speaker 3: But it's kind of handy when you're in a millionaire
47:24
Speaker 3: and you've got you've got a holiday house in London
47:27
Speaker 3: or in the south of France, or you can pretty.
47:29
Speaker 2: Much go wherever you like. But she says she's going
47:31
Speaker 2: and not coming back. That's probably not going to worry
47:34
Speaker 2: too many people.
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Speaker 15: And she's taking her wife, Porsia to Rossi with her.
47:37
Speaker 15: Now we've got a bit of a connection here with
47:41
Speaker 15: with Porsha Rossi where I live in the wimerm Alley.
47:43
Speaker 15: This is this is where Portia de Rossie came from.
47:46
Speaker 15: I don't think she had the name Poischa Rossi back then,
47:48
Speaker 15: but you know, I think that's more of Hollywood thing.
47:51
Speaker 2: She's good on.
47:52
Speaker 15: The girl, but making it all the way to Hollywood
47:54
Speaker 15: and then making it all the way I think to
47:56
Speaker 15: the Cotswolds in England. It's not the best trade in
47:58
Speaker 15: the world. I mean, Cottswold's very pretty, but you don't
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Speaker 15: get the yellow weather there. So you know, we'll see
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Speaker 15: how she goes.
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Speaker 3: I thought she might have been named after the boots
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Speaker 3: they were in the Wira.
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Speaker 2: The Rossy boots still go around the place. But anyway,
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Speaker 2: that's hope. They're happy in the UK.
48:12
Speaker 3: The I'll miss him in Hollywood talking about all this
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Speaker 3: woke stuff. There was the famous incident was it last
48:18
Speaker 3: year or the year before where bud Light went for
48:21
Speaker 3: the sort of woke transgender advertising campaign and basically killed
48:26
Speaker 3: their brand. Now it looks like Jaguar might be wanting
48:29
Speaker 3: to go down the same path.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, there you go.
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Speaker 1: Mark.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't that make you want to buy a British racing
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Speaker 3: green Jaguar?
48:53
Speaker 2: I expect.
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Speaker 14: I expect sales in fitz Roy for Jack through the roof.
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Speaker 2: They're gonna love. It is very effective marketing. It's you're right.
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Speaker 14: That's the inside they're trying to signal to the left
49:05
Speaker 14: is it's like, look, we're great. But the failure here
49:08
Speaker 14: is that they're like. The messaging is, look at these people.
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Speaker 14: Aren't they different? Look how different they are. We're different too, Jaguar,
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Speaker 14: We're different. That's what they're trying to do. They're trying
49:17
Speaker 14: to put a spotlight on it. I thought the whole
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Speaker 14: message was no, just leave them alone, let them be normal,
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Speaker 14: let them be ordinary.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Good point.
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Speaker 3: Again, you've picked out the big paradox and that tim
49:27
Speaker 3: thistle glad in your heart. Let's have a look at
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's motorcade. The Americans love to do these big motorcades,
49:34
Speaker 3: and Donald Trump's has got a cyber truck now in
49:38
Speaker 3: Tesla cyber.
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Speaker 15: Truck, and they say that Donald Trump isn't woke.
49:43
Speaker 2: Look at that.
49:47
Speaker 15: Spark buggies rolling along, but just with this Jacubar. The
49:53
Speaker 15: ad didn't even have a picture of a car. Brampton
49:58
Speaker 15: kind of people, you know.
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Speaker 3: I went down to the shopping Yeah, I went.
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Speaker 2: Down to the motor shop to buy a car. I
50:06
Speaker 2: came back with a red Skivvy.
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Speaker 15: You can't help but think though that maybe they signed
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Speaker 15: off on this ad a little bit before the election
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Speaker 15: and before the cultural tide maybe shifted a little so.
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Speaker 2: Back of idiot, I got to rewind it. Thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining us to Jensen. Catch you next week, Martin Nicholson
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Speaker 2: and Tim Blair. There we're right out of time. Here's
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Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin.