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5+ Free-Agent Fits For The Detroit Tigers · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 2: Speaking of going shopping, Cody.
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Speaker 1: Uh, the Tigers are obviously in the midst last episode
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Speaker 1: we talked about their interest in one Ryan Helsley, And
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Speaker 1: since we.
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Speaker 2: Talked, he has talked.
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Speaker 1: He talked to the athletic, which I actually think is
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Speaker 1: kind of noteworthy because it's it's not I would say,
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Speaker 1: the most common of practices for a you know, for
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Speaker 1: a free agent to kind of do. Like what I
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Speaker 1: thought was a pretty thoughtful interview. So credit to your
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Speaker 1: colleagues there for getting him, get him on the phone
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Speaker 1: and getting him talking, and and I understand why he
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Speaker 1: did it, because, like, you know, this is his time,
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Speaker 1: right he is finally a free agent. He's gonna try
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Speaker 1: to you know, try and maximize his value. And uh,
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Speaker 1: the way it ended in New York not the most uh,
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Speaker 1: not the most lucrative of ending. So he's gonna try
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Speaker 1: to frame everything he's coming to. Like I thought, he
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Speaker 1: came across very honest. I thought he came across as
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Speaker 1: very thoughtful and and and kind of forthright on what
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Speaker 1: his flaws are and why he's you know, open minded
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Speaker 1: to the possibility of perhaps becoming the starter. So, uh,
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Speaker 1: you obviously read it, Cody, like what would you what
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Speaker 1: were you kind of your thoughts on on Ryan, on
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Speaker 1: on Ryan's words, on him speaking his truth.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ken Across is like, oh, I like this guy.
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Speaker 3: You know. I think a lot of players don't talk
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Speaker 3: during free agency for fear of saying something that could
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Speaker 3: hurt their market or saying something that could mess up
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Speaker 3: potential negotiations. But I think more players should do this
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Speaker 3: if you're just honest, fairly open, like what's actually going
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Speaker 3: to go wrong? Ry and he talked about the end
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Speaker 3: of his Mets tenure, the pitch tipping issues He's dealt
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Speaker 3: with a lot of It was rehashing some of that,
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Speaker 3: but kind of does remind you like his stuff was
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Speaker 3: still really good even though he was getting hit. It
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Speaker 3: was almost a little bit inexplicable how well he was
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Speaker 3: getting hit. He was a too predictable in certain counts
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Speaker 3: regarding the possibility of being a starter. That's why we're
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Speaker 3: talking about him. We're gonna get to free agent hitters
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Speaker 3: here in a second. But the free agent pitcher we're
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Speaker 3: talking about right now, Hellsley. I know what I'm capable
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Speaker 3: of as a reliever, he said, I think I still
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Speaker 3: have a lot to give and can get even better.
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Speaker 3: I've shown what I can do as a closer. When
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Speaker 3: I'm in that role, it's a really fun time to
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Speaker 3: be in the game. It's the most important three outs
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Speaker 3: of the game. But I still think I'm capable and
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Speaker 3: able to be a starter. I miss starting probably the
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Speaker 3: first half of my career, but once I really started closing,
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Speaker 3: I didn't think about it as much. Learning in the
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Speaker 3: new pitch would be something I could pick up, obviously,
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Speaker 3: but it'd be a learning curve throughout this first year
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Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to be a major league
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Speaker 3: starting pitcher. So perfectly eloquent answer there is basically saying
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Speaker 3: I'm open to being a starter. I'm open to being
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Speaker 3: a reliever. I'll do whatever whoever wants to pay me
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Speaker 3: requests that I don't see nothing wrong with that. Sounds
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Speaker 3: like he's open. He did more specifically mentioning either a
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Speaker 3: change up or a two seam. I talked last episode like,
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Speaker 3: I think the change up would make sense to use
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Speaker 3: against left handed batters. A little bit more, but great
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Speaker 3: work by my colleague Katie wou Go. Read that at
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Speaker 3: the Athletic If you would like see more of Ryan
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Speaker 3: Hillsley's words.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll also say this if you go and
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Speaker 1: you read the story from like the Tigers lens perspective,
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Speaker 1: you you you Katie does a great job of kind
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Speaker 1: of outlaying the metrics and the stats, and then you like,
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Speaker 1: you know, read his words and you're like, you know,
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Speaker 1: if his agent was coaching him, hey, this is how
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Speaker 1: you could possibly get to Detroit, I don't I'm not
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Speaker 1: really sure he could have done much better, because again,
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Speaker 1: like he was identifying his flaws, he was saying that
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Speaker 1: he's like, you know, open, you know, he he is
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Speaker 1: a versatile option as a picture just in general. I know,
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Speaker 1: you know, batters that are not pictures. I understand that,
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Speaker 1: but it's like, hey, man, I could do whatever, you know,
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Speaker 1: Like hey, Chris AJ like.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, what what do he got for me?
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Speaker 1: And and I and I and I thought like there
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Speaker 1: was enough in there that like I was already pretty
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Speaker 1: interested in it. But in a way, you just don't
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Speaker 1: really know how guys would frame it. This kind of
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Speaker 1: felt like something that he would like, actually like to do.
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Speaker 1: And and I commend him for it for a couple
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Speaker 1: of reasons, not the least of which is just I
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Speaker 1: don't think we really hammered it as much as we
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Speaker 1: should have yesterday, Cody or the last time we talked.
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Speaker 2: But like it's it's so crowded.
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Speaker 1: In the reliever market and and and we're seeing, you know,
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Speaker 1: just earlier this week with the bus in Red Sox
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Speaker 1: making a trade speaking of former Cardinals bust and Red
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Speaker 1: Sox making a trade for a starting pitcher. And I
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Speaker 1: think this is him kind of figuring out a way
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Speaker 1: to kind of burst out and make himself more viable.
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Speaker 1: And obviously there's a financial incentive there. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, I like he's laying out he wants to
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Speaker 1: go to a smart team too, you know, not just
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Speaker 1: the team that that's gonna pay him the most amount
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Speaker 1: of money. And this Tigers may or may not be
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Speaker 1: that by what, But I do think that the Tigers
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Speaker 1: would be among the smarter teams that he could that
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Speaker 1: he could sign with. And and there was nothing in
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Speaker 1: there that if you're in the front office, you're the
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Speaker 1: coaching staff or whatever, that makes you think like, hey,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I could really do that. I mean, hell,
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Speaker 1: aj Hitch is probably like the only thing he did
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Speaker 1: wrong there is he called the last three outs the
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Speaker 1: most important outs that might be that might be the
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Speaker 1: That might be the only critique that AJ has. It's like, well,
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Speaker 1: you got to get to the most important out, so
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Speaker 1: how important are those? That's probably what AJ would say
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Speaker 1: to that. But I but to me, this does feel
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Speaker 1: like a momentum, Like he's trying to seize on the momentum.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna work. I think there's gonna
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Speaker 1: like fifteen teams.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, fifteen teams. I've
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Speaker 3: contacted him, some as the starter, some as a reliever,
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Speaker 3: some maybe as both. If the Tigers want to get
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Speaker 3: this deal done, better get it done.
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Speaker 1: I think they'd be I think they would be extremely
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Speaker 1: smart to try to get this done as quickly as
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Speaker 1: possible for the reason that wild that last time, getting
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Speaker 1: him ready, figuring out what the other pitches and uh,
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Speaker 1: and kind of solidifying your pitching staff more or less
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Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty six season where you can focus
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Speaker 1: on the hitters. So any other any other healthy thoughts
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Speaker 1: going before we move on the hitters.
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Speaker 3: They should get it done, but don't do it during
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Speaker 3: this holiday weekend and mess up my plans. I would
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Speaker 3: wait untill like Tuesday or something about that.
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Speaker 1: It's one hundred percent to be happening on Saturday. Now
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Speaker 1: that you just said that, so, uh, we are going
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Speaker 1: to take a quick break and then we are gonna,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of highlight the parameters around which the
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Speaker 1: Tigers are seemingly going to have to operate when it
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Speaker 1: comes to adding to their lineup, and then who could
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Speaker 1: fit so shorter lists unfortunately than you think.
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Speaker 2: All right coming back here, Cody.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 1: There's there's a reality of the situation that you always
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Speaker 1: kind of have to keep in mind whenever you're trying
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Speaker 1: to assess what the team could do, what they should do,
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Speaker 1: and really that's what's available. You can't go to the
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Speaker 1: grocery store and want a certain brand of you know,
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Speaker 1: barbecue sauce and they don't offer it, and you're like, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, I can't get that barbecue sauce. Then if
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Speaker 1: the market does not have specific players, specific positions available,
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Speaker 1: then you're gonna have to pivot. And that's kind of
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Speaker 1: what we saw last year with the labor Tourist signing, right,
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Speaker 1: is that, you know, Sky Harris got a little bit creative.
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Speaker 1: So if you just look at the Tigers roster as
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Speaker 1: presently constructed.
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Speaker 2: There are definitely holes and maybe hole is too strong.
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Speaker 1: But there are areas that if you want to take
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Speaker 1: the next step, you figure you're gonna have to have
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Speaker 1: some level of improvement. Unfortunately, a lot of those positions
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Speaker 1: are not exactly what the market is given you. But
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Speaker 1: we'll just kind of lead off with the top, and
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Speaker 1: that is the guy who's going to define the off
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Speaker 1: season from a position player perspective, and that's Alex Regman.
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Speaker 1: Alex Bregman is a guy that the Tigers and this
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Speaker 1: specifically this Tigers regime, was fully comfortable offering a six
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Speaker 1: year contract for a lot of money. And that offer
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Speaker 1: is essentially what the projection is. We have the graphic
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Speaker 1: up here if you guys are watching on YouTube for
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Speaker 1: Alex Regman. The the athletic projection is six years, one
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one million. He's a year older. He
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Speaker 1: did not have a great September, but he's still Alex Bregman.
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Speaker 1: He is still a right handed bat, he is still
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Speaker 1: a valuable defender. But he already turns it down once
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Speaker 1: when you gave him the best offer in terms of
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Speaker 1: peer dollar amount. Do you go back to the well
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Speaker 1: again when you already have labor Torres at second base?
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Speaker 1: On the books for twenty two million, and you still
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Speaker 1: got to figure out Colt Keith, and you have Zach
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Speaker 1: McKinstry intel as well.
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Speaker 2: Hey are we doing this again?
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Speaker 3: It's a great question. I think the Tigers have to
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Speaker 3: have some level of interest. Bregman's leadership qualities is kind
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Speaker 3: of exactly what they need. His ability to get on
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Speaker 3: base and hit with little power, it's exactly what they need.
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Speaker 3: But we've talked about it some before. He's a year older.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a little bit concerning, and he's less
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Speaker 3: of a perfect fit positionally than he was this time
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Speaker 3: a year ago we went over it. You know, you
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Speaker 3: could just dh Colt Keith a lot, but there are
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Speaker 3: going to be some ripple effects across the roster if
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Speaker 3: you bring in a third baseman, even if you leave
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Speaker 3: Kevin McGonagall in the minor leagues. It's it's not a
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Speaker 3: perfect fit, but it's still a pretty good fit. It
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Speaker 3: is still arguably the best fit if the Tigers want
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Speaker 3: to get serious about winning the World Series, presumably in
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Speaker 3: their final year with Trek Skouble. I don't have a
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Speaker 3: lot new to say on Alex Bregman. I think there's
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Speaker 3: going to be some level of interest. Maybe it comes
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Speaker 3: down to does Bregman want to be in Detroit because
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Speaker 3: his infamous quote this time or in February, he thought
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Speaker 3: he was going to Detroit ninety percent of the off season.
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Speaker 3: Red Sox came in with a sweet deal at the
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Speaker 3: last minute, but the Tigers still offered him the long
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Speaker 3: term deal he won it. Maybe they could have given
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Speaker 3: him a little more money to get it done, and
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Speaker 3: they probably should have. But I'm not sure what we'll
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Speaker 3: ever know the full story of what went on in
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Speaker 3: those negotiations. But part of me wonders if he just
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Speaker 3: doesn't want to come to Detroit, doesn't want to play
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Speaker 3: in Comerica Park, if there's something else, especially when you're
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Speaker 3: looking that the Red Sox may still have some interest,
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Speaker 3: and a lot of other premier teams are going to
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Speaker 3: have some interest. Some of it may just come down
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Speaker 3: to Alex Bregman's preference, and I wonder if that's what
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Speaker 3: the Tigers are going to be up against.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much it's worth, but I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: it up anyway. He did hit three sixty four with
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Speaker 1: the nine oh nine slug in k America Park last season,
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Speaker 1: and that's the that's with a couple make sure market
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Speaker 1: memories correct, Yes, a couple of home runs. Uh you
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Speaker 1: know to boot there and that's the second tie for
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Speaker 1: the second most of any ballpark last season, with obviously
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Speaker 1: finn Waite Park being number one. So uh so that element,
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Speaker 1: anecdotally small sample size for the most recent excursion should
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Speaker 1: like alleviate somek America Park concerns for him.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: If I'm Alex Bregmant, I have won a World Series,
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Speaker 1: obviously got a couple I.
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Speaker 2: Do not.
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Speaker 1: Like, I don't have to go to a team that
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Speaker 1: is going to pay me the most most because I've
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Speaker 1: been a winner of my entire career. Do you want
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Speaker 1: to go down the path of you know, going into
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Speaker 1: like obscurity, but you also want to be in a
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Speaker 1: situation that like pays you and you have the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to win. Boston fit that profile last year. Detroit would
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Speaker 1: have fit that profile.
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Speaker 2: Last year. Detroit fits that profile this year.
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Speaker 1: Plus the connection you know, Alex Cora and an aj Hinch,
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Speaker 1: there's no reason to be anti Detroit in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: because you're willing to go to Boston. So it's not
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Speaker 1: a weather thing, So there's no reason to be anti Detroit.
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Speaker 1: If it's on your preference, I get it, but it
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Speaker 1: just should check a lot of the boxes for you.
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Speaker 1: Another thing to keep in mind if I'm Alex Bregman,
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Speaker 1: is how long do I really want to.
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Speaker 2: Play this out?
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Speaker 1: Because it was kind of a weird thing last year
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Speaker 1: with the Red Sox. Now that got solved, I guess
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Speaker 1: with the Dever's trade a little bit. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, they now they're trying to get young too
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Speaker 1: in the infield, and they got guys that they got
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Speaker 1: to figure out in the infield, So I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they're going to want to give you that kind
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Speaker 1: of same contract, And then some teams like the Tigers
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Speaker 1: might just like let you pass by basically, So the
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Speaker 1: timing for him, I feel like has to be at
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Speaker 1: least better than it was last season.
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Speaker 3: Now I will or maybe he learned just wait it
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Speaker 3: out and something a little more like what you want
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Speaker 3: will come along.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe, but I will. I'll just I'll
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Speaker 1: close on this point. The Tigers do feel if I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna kind of give something in their favor, they do
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Speaker 1: feel in a position with you know, throwing some cold
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Speaker 1: Keith at third base last year, or something we were
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Speaker 1: not privy to at this time last year was a
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Speaker 1: little bit of stability at first base, something that was
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Speaker 1: not the case last year. You already have labor torres
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Speaker 1: into you should have a better idea of what a
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Speaker 1: healthy hobby bias can do for you. In theory, if
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Speaker 1: you really wanted to wait out Bregman, you could do
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Speaker 1: it both ways, where you're all right, awesome, let's go
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Speaker 1: you know, let's go win a championship, or okay, fine,
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Speaker 1: we got guys that we know we can win with.
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Speaker 1: We went the game by the DS and we feel
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Speaker 1: like we didn't make to reach our ceiling last year.
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Speaker 2: So you see what I'm.
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Speaker 1: Saying, Like that, there is a little bit of comfort
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Speaker 1: in knowing that you don't it's not gonna You're not
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Speaker 1: gonna ride or die with the pregnant sweepstakes. I think
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Speaker 1: I think that at least exists now that did not
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Speaker 1: exist last season.
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Speaker 3: I think that's probably true. I think the front office
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Speaker 3: probably feels that way. But there's still the argument, like
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Speaker 3: what what do the Tigers need. They're at a place
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Speaker 3: where they're getting rid of platoon guys like Andya Banya's
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Speaker 3: they don't really need that victory that likes small edge
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Speaker 3: around the margins anymore. I think they need a legit
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Speaker 3: veteran hitter, which brings us to our second name here,
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Speaker 3: Boba Chett, Bobachett. If you're not going to go get
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Speaker 3: Alex Bregman or Bobachett, you better get real creative and
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Speaker 3: do something we don't see coming, because otherwise I'm not
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Speaker 3: sure how the Tigers are going to take this line
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Speaker 3: up to the next level. Bobachett, you could argue, you
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Speaker 3: could argue is going to be a better fit than
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Speaker 3: Alex Bregman simply because of his ability to play shortstop.
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Speaker 3: Now grain of salt. As we've talked about before, he
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Speaker 3: was terrible defensively last year minus twelve defensive run saved.
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Speaker 3: It was a pretty big decline. He was negative three
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Speaker 3: the year before that. But he hasn't been a plus
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Speaker 3: defender in quite some time. So that's I think that's
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Speaker 3: the big question. Do you still trust him to play
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Speaker 3: shortstop for another year or two, because if you do,
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Speaker 3: he could check a big box. We know Bushet's a
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Speaker 3: legit bat. He also seems to be a winner. He's
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Speaker 3: not quite the veteran that Bregman is, but he's been around,
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Speaker 3: he grew up in clubhouses. I feel like he would
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Speaker 3: be a positive influence. The other downside might be just
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Speaker 3: the walk rate. He walks at a blow average clip
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Speaker 3: around six percent. He's been able to mitigate that for
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Speaker 3: the most part by hitting the ball hard and hitting
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Speaker 3: the ball really well. Two years ago not so much,
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Speaker 3: but his quality of contact rebounded in a big He
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Speaker 3: did have a three forty two batting average and balls
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Speaker 3: and play last season, something that might be worth considering
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Speaker 3: that twenty twenty four you see it on the screen,
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Speaker 3: zero point three war scares you a little bit. He's
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Speaker 3: projected on the Athletics to get even more than Bregman,
18:15
Speaker 3: and that's probably because he's younger. He's only twenty eight
18:18
Speaker 3: years old. But you're definitely looking at an eventual move
18:22
Speaker 3: to second base or to third base. The Tigers have
18:25
Speaker 3: a lot of other infielders coming through the system. There's
18:28
Speaker 3: a lot to like about Bashett. There are a couple
18:30
Speaker 3: of things not to like about Bashett. Would the Tigers
18:34
Speaker 3: be willing to pay up for a player? That's the
18:37
Speaker 3: thing we don't quite have the answer to at this
18:39
Speaker 3: point in time. But I'm not sure there's a better
18:42
Speaker 3: way to improve your offense than just going and getting
18:44
Speaker 3: a dude this. It would be a.
18:49
Speaker 1: Home run signing from lifting your offense perspective. I don't
18:52
Speaker 1: think there's any doubt about that. And then the other
18:55
Speaker 1: pieces of it. I was just looking this up to verify.
18:59
Speaker 1: He's never log any anything other than shortstop as as
19:03
Speaker 1: a major leaguer. So like everyone's like, you know, saying like, well,
19:08
Speaker 1: maybe he have to go to second base or third
19:10
Speaker 1: base or whatever. Okay, I would love to hear. I
19:14
Speaker 1: would love for him to talk to Katie Blue.
19:16
Speaker 2: Or you or you you could do.
19:18
Speaker 1: Too, and just be like, yeah, you know, I could,
19:20
Speaker 1: I could play third I could play you know, second base.
19:23
Speaker 2: He's not gonna do that because it's shortstop, you know
19:24
Speaker 2: what I mean. But but I.
19:27
Speaker 1: Would love for to hear some thoughts on that, and
19:29
Speaker 1: then you know, someone who you know is actually scouting
19:32
Speaker 1: him and and has some insight as to whether they
19:35
Speaker 1: think that would be something that he could do at
19:37
Speaker 1: a reasonable level. Because I think if he signs with
19:41
Speaker 1: the Tigers, just like I don't care about years and
19:47
Speaker 1: money in terms of like status, so like if you
19:49
Speaker 1: sign with the Tigers, that it should be part of
19:52
Speaker 1: the part of the calculus is you're probably gonna be
19:54
Speaker 1: playing some third, you'll play some shorts, you'll probably play
19:57
Speaker 1: a lot of shortstop, but we might have to just
19:58
Speaker 1: put you at third certain point this year, and you're
20:01
Speaker 1: gonna have to be okay with that because if you
20:04
Speaker 1: say that this is part of your profile, which again
20:06
Speaker 1: he hasn't said it, so I don't know, but if
20:08
Speaker 1: you say this is part of your profile, I think
20:11
Speaker 1: if you come to Detroit in this specific instance, it
20:14
Speaker 1: ought to be like, relatively like from Jump Street, we're
20:17
Speaker 1: gonna if we feel like it's better for the team,
20:19
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this, not like wait around until you're
20:22
Speaker 1: thirty one to thirty two years old. So I don't
20:25
Speaker 1: think anyone's like kind of attacking it that way, but
20:27
Speaker 1: I like the idea if he is willing to do that, Yeah, cool, fine,
20:31
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I don't care about contract status
20:33
Speaker 1: and shortstops, but from the from an offense perspective, it
20:36
Speaker 1: would be in a tremendous edition.
20:39
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the other thing that Tigers may be
20:43
Speaker 3: up against here is the Blue Jays. We know the
20:45
Speaker 3: blue Jays aren't afraid to throw money at some free agents,
20:47
Speaker 3: and they've struggled to sign a lot of the guys
20:50
Speaker 3: they have wanted. There's something about getting players to come
20:53
Speaker 3: to Toronto. I think, well, Boba Schet's already been to
20:55
Speaker 3: Toronto and he's already played in the World Series with
20:57
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays. I think they have a little advantage
21:00
Speaker 3: if they want to make a big offer to sign him.
21:03
Speaker 3: I think he's more likely to get it than maybe
21:05
Speaker 3: other free agents have been in past years. So I
21:09
Speaker 3: don't think you're getting Bobashett at a discount. Let's just
21:11
Speaker 3: put it that way. I think Bashett and Bregman are
21:16
Speaker 3: heads and shoulders above most of the other options I
21:20
Speaker 3: can think of. That's why I'm fascinated to see what
21:22
Speaker 3: the Tigers end up doing just for the sake of
21:24
Speaker 3: getting to some other names. Here's no one's mentioned in
21:28
Speaker 3: a while. Remember a time this summer when everyone wanted
21:32
Speaker 3: Aohaneo Suarez and now he's a free agent and there's
21:37
Speaker 3: not a lot of chatter about Geno Suarez. He went
21:39
Speaker 3: to the Mariners. His production did drop off in the
21:43
Speaker 3: second half in a pretty big way, but he still
21:47
Speaker 3: hit for power and he would still represent an offensive
21:52
Speaker 3: upgrade for the Tigers. There's not a lot of defensive value.
21:55
Speaker 3: He hit one eighty nine for the record with the
21:58
Speaker 3: Mariners after the deadline, thirteen homers, so you know, I
22:05
Speaker 3: think the big downside was Swerez And the reason I
22:07
Speaker 3: was not a big proponent of the Tigers getting him
22:09
Speaker 3: at the deadline was the swing and miss. We know
22:12
Speaker 3: that's a problem, and Gino Suarez happens to swing and
22:16
Speaker 3: miss a ton. He punched out one hundred and ninety
22:19
Speaker 3: six times last year. So if you want him to
22:22
Speaker 3: join Riley Green and maybe you ged have two guys
22:24
Speaker 3: punching out two hundred times, that's what you might be getting.
22:30
Speaker 3: Last year, his power almost an outlier. I mean, I mean,
22:34
Speaker 3: this guy's legit. He hit forty nine home runs and
22:36
Speaker 3: he had done that once before. But I don't think
22:38
Speaker 3: you can count on him doing that, especially in a
22:43
Speaker 3: bigger park. The thing here is that his market. I think,
22:48
Speaker 3: for all these reasons and the fact he's thirty four,
22:50
Speaker 3: his market is not going to be great. So if
22:52
Speaker 3: you wanted him on a two year deal forty plus million,
22:58
Speaker 3: could that be feasible? Would you be willing to live
23:01
Speaker 3: with the strikeouts? To add a thirty five homer guy
23:05
Speaker 3: who's a great clubhouse guy and all these other things.
23:09
Speaker 3: I kind of think, No, I assume that Tigers are
23:11
Speaker 3: going to be out on him because of the strikeouts,
23:13
Speaker 3: because it's already unclear if they really feel like they
23:17
Speaker 3: need a third baseman. But I think it's still worth
23:20
Speaker 3: talking about just because if you want to add a
23:22
Speaker 3: little more thumb to your order, there's a guy out
23:25
Speaker 3: there that you could probably get on a short term contract.
23:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know what, I also think he is
23:33
Speaker 1: somebody that, in a like other organizations that don't stick
23:38
Speaker 1: to their process but are still very successful, would like
23:43
Speaker 1: go after Sworez after It's kind of like the first
23:45
Speaker 1: wave where you you know, the first wave kind of
23:48
Speaker 1: passes you by. You understand you're not going to get
23:50
Speaker 1: those guys. Like, there's an argument to be made that
23:53
Speaker 1: if you're willing to go after Bregman, you shouldn't like
23:57
Speaker 1: close the door on Sworez option, right, Like, I think
24:01
Speaker 1: that's a fair statement because you're obviously open to third base,
24:06
Speaker 1: you know, adding at third base, but you know the
24:08
Speaker 1: flaws are still there, and you know the homecoming element
24:11
Speaker 1: would be fun there too. All Right, we are going
24:13
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24:15
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, Cody take the floor. We know,
25:28
Speaker 1: we know you'll love to use some high song, Kim.
25:30
Speaker 1: So why why why is he a fit for the Tigers?
25:34
Speaker 1: WHOA just go, just go?
25:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to start being so annoying about this.
25:40
Speaker 3: He's listed as a fit on the athletic because he
25:42
Speaker 3: plays short snap and because he's available. It's not going
25:45
Speaker 3: to take a six or seven year commitment. He's a
25:49
Speaker 3: little bit of an interesting case in terms of, like
25:51
Speaker 3: what do you make of his twenty twenty five He
25:53
Speaker 3: missed most of the season recovering from a shoulder injury.
25:56
Speaker 3: He finished the year in a short sample with what
26:00
Speaker 3: a six twenty eight ops six eighty four ops with
26:05
Speaker 3: the Braves six forty nine overall in forty eight games,
26:08
Speaker 3: So he only played forty eight games. He wasn't that
26:11
Speaker 3: good eighty three ops plus, but after he was traded
26:16
Speaker 3: from the Race to the Braves. His first nineteen games
26:18
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, he hit three zho nine with an eight
26:21
Speaker 3: twenty eight ops and slumped like the last five games
26:25
Speaker 3: of the season. It was all such a small sample
26:28
Speaker 3: that you can kind of chop that way up any
26:30
Speaker 3: way you want to support the argument that Hassung Kim
26:33
Speaker 3: is really good or Hassung Kim might be declining and
26:36
Speaker 3: will never be the same again. He's a shortstop. I
26:38
Speaker 3: think he could still be a good defender. There are
26:40
Speaker 3: some questions about his arm. His arm strength was not
26:43
Speaker 3: the same returning from his shoulder surgery. That's certainly a
26:48
Speaker 3: major concern. But this is a guy who just two
26:51
Speaker 3: years ago was a four win player. The Athletics picking
26:55
Speaker 3: him to get three years fifty million, that's probably about
26:58
Speaker 3: the high end of what I would be comfortable with.
27:01
Speaker 3: But if you could do a one year with a
27:03
Speaker 3: player option, or maybe a two year with an option
27:06
Speaker 3: for a third, I think this could be really wise
27:10
Speaker 3: if you didn't want to go to the Bregman route
27:12
Speaker 3: where you didn't win the bidding on Boba Schett. I
27:15
Speaker 3: think the Tigers needs to upgrade their offense. There's this
27:18
Speaker 3: is not a great class of shortstops. Hasung Kim can
27:22
Speaker 3: still be a pretty good all around player, and so
27:25
Speaker 3: that's I think why we keep talking about him.
27:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have any pushback on that. I think
27:32
Speaker 1: that's a bidding war, and bidding not just in dollar amounts,
27:39
Speaker 1: but in contract structure too. Like you mentioned that, I
27:41
Speaker 1: feel like the Tigers could easily win, Like they could
27:45
Speaker 1: easily like you know, get get them to be in
27:48
Speaker 1: the most advantageous offer that that Kim would get and
27:53
Speaker 1: he checks, he checks a lot of boxes and at
27:56
Speaker 1: that at that year's and at that price number, I
27:59
Speaker 1: think that's very manageable for you know, really any budget
28:03
Speaker 1: of a major league team, even if we're not sure
28:05
Speaker 1: they are you know, making a profit. So uh, I
28:09
Speaker 1: think I think we've we've talked a lot about that here. Here,
28:12
Speaker 1: here's another kind of more philosophical aspect to this Cody
28:16
Speaker 1: that I think you know deserves to be mentioned.
28:19
Speaker 3: Uh.
28:22
Speaker 1: We like Harry Carpenter. Carry Carpenter is a good player.
28:26
Speaker 1: He's a good left handed bet. I'm not sure I
28:29
Speaker 1: think at this point we can kind of write off
28:32
Speaker 1: some defensive development, you know, getting to a certain level.
28:36
Speaker 1: Is there any thought to like getting a you know,
28:39
Speaker 1: in terms of being creative, is getting somebody to more
28:42
Speaker 1: or less like be your everyday right fielder or you know,
28:47
Speaker 1: if you you know, you know, you know, if you
28:49
Speaker 1: can get created with Riley Green and left field as well,
28:52
Speaker 1: because some of the edge some of the you know,
28:56
Speaker 1: not edge but corner corner edge corner outfields. You know,
29:02
Speaker 1: there are a little there are some more out there,
29:04
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll just stop at the start of
29:06
Speaker 1: the top two, like, you know, let's just bring in
29:08
Speaker 1: like a Kyle Tucker conversation.
29:10
Speaker 2: Why the hell not? Why the hell not?
29:12
Speaker 3: There's no rule that says that Tigers can't sign Kyle Tucker.
29:15
Speaker 3: No one's talking about it. I think for the reason
29:17
Speaker 3: years laid out. They have Kerry Carpenter, they have Riley Green,
29:20
Speaker 3: they have even guys like Wen so Perez and Matt
29:23
Speaker 3: Vierling and Zach McKinstry who you think can help at
29:26
Speaker 3: the corner outfield. So look, I don't think they're gonna
29:29
Speaker 3: sign Kyle Tucker, but any corner outfield addition would require
29:34
Speaker 3: I think some level of greater roster shuffling, some trade
29:37
Speaker 3: that involves one of these core pieces. It's really fun
29:40
Speaker 3: to think about, but I'm just not of the belief
29:43
Speaker 3: that the Tigers are going to do it, like it
29:47
Speaker 3: keeps saying they're not going to change the way they operate,
29:49
Speaker 3: and they're not gonna pivot from their young hitters just
29:52
Speaker 3: because they made the playoffs two years in a row.
29:55
Speaker 3: So it'd be a lot of fun if something like
29:58
Speaker 3: that were to come down the pipeline. But it's hard
30:00
Speaker 3: to even talk about because it's kind of hard to
30:02
Speaker 3: know what the what the rest of the maneuvering would
30:08
Speaker 3: would possibly look like. I think it would have to
30:10
Speaker 3: take a really unexpected trade to open up a corner
30:14
Speaker 3: outfield spot.
30:16
Speaker 1: So we're not gonna go down the adultst Garcia route.
30:20
Speaker 1: Just kind of get a guy with some postseason experience
30:23
Speaker 1: who's got you know, he's still an excellent, excellent fielder.
30:26
Speaker 1: Some of the bat metrics excuses that have been made
30:30
Speaker 1: for some Tigers players, the bat metrics apply to Adolices Garcia.
30:34
Speaker 1: He was obviously non tendered by the Rangers as they
30:37
Speaker 1: transition into kind of like their new post world series.
30:40
Speaker 1: When era, I mean there price point, you still got
30:45
Speaker 1: some pop, Like any love there, Harrison Bader, Any any
30:50
Speaker 1: love there?
30:51
Speaker 3: I think if you didn't have Matt Vierling and Winsle Perez,
30:54
Speaker 3: Harrison Bader would make a lot of sense. But I
30:56
Speaker 3: just don't think they're going to pay for that. Al Garcia. Look,
31:01
Speaker 3: he can signed Suarez and Dolas Garcia and they can
31:04
Speaker 3: combine with Riley Green to hit one hundred and twenty
31:06
Speaker 3: homers and strike out six hundred times, and we will
31:10
Speaker 3: have content to talk about all summer long. Baby, his
31:14
Speaker 3: defense is intriguing. I just don't think this team is
31:16
Speaker 3: the right fit.
31:16
Speaker 4: Man.
31:17
Speaker 3: I think this team needs contact and quality of it
31:19
Speaker 3: bad and I just don't think that's going to be
31:21
Speaker 3: the route for them. You know, the last fit on
31:26
Speaker 3: the athletics big board linked to the Tigers old friend
31:29
Speaker 3: Willie Castro, who at the trade deadline, I was like,
31:32
Speaker 3: he would kind of make a lot of sense. In
31:35
Speaker 3: some ways, he still would. He's kind of like a
31:37
Speaker 3: Wintle Perez if Winstle Perez could still play infield. Didn't
31:41
Speaker 3: have a great finish to his time with the Cubs,
31:45
Speaker 3: only an eighty nine ops plus last year. But we
31:48
Speaker 3: know the bats in there. All the things that used
31:50
Speaker 3: to bother me about against Willie Castro, I've forgiven them.
31:55
Speaker 3: Although there's can still be a lot of strikeout there
31:57
Speaker 3: and it's not necessarily plus defense at all. But I
32:02
Speaker 3: don't know if the Tigers wanted another versatile piece, he
32:05
Speaker 3: would make sense. My argument there is like, I do
32:09
Speaker 3: they still need the Verstaal pieces, Like they just got
32:11
Speaker 3: rid of Andya Baniez, and they have Winsel Perez and
32:14
Speaker 3: they have Jami Jones and they have Max Anderson, Kevin McGonagall.
32:17
Speaker 3: How you lead, Like, I'm not sure that's the box
32:20
Speaker 3: they need to check at this point in their competitive cycle.
32:26
Speaker 3: But when you start thinking, Okay, if they don't get pregnant,
32:28
Speaker 3: if they don't get the sheet, they had to do
32:31
Speaker 3: something right, Like I don't think they can run back
32:33
Speaker 3: the exact same lineup. So that's why we're throwing out
32:37
Speaker 3: that name. That's why you can throw out Doley Scarcia.
32:40
Speaker 3: What about what about Byron Buxton? Kire An? You want
32:43
Speaker 3: to go trade for Byron Buxton? The Twins are tearing
32:45
Speaker 3: things down and he's going to strike out a lot,
32:48
Speaker 3: but he's fun when he's healthy. I don't think they're
32:51
Speaker 3: in a trade for an often injured player. But Jared
32:55
Speaker 3: Durant is still a trade name I like a lot. Yeah,
32:58
Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan's a hot name on the trade de trademarket.
33:01
Speaker 3: I would argue he's basically Zach McKinstry. Brena Diomond's really good.
33:05
Speaker 3: But I don't think the Tigers necessarily have the perfect
33:09
Speaker 3: fit for him, but they got to do something, so
33:13
Speaker 3: since some ideas our way, because I I the more
33:15
Speaker 3: I look at it, man, I'm just like, I don't
33:17
Speaker 3: know what they're going to do. I don't know, but
33:20
Speaker 3: they can't do nothing.
33:22
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that Scott Harris is going to say
33:26
Speaker 1: to you and your fellow media members that Matt Vierling
33:30
Speaker 1: is like a free agent addition, that's a three million
33:33
Speaker 1: dollar plus player that more or less might as well
33:37
Speaker 1: have not played in twenty twenty five. He's a right
33:39
Speaker 1: handed bat, He's versatile defensively and including playing center field.
33:46
Speaker 1: So I guarantee you that statement will be said. There
33:49
Speaker 1: is I guess some validity to that, but it's also
33:52
Speaker 1: not sexy, just like the Willie Castro piece is also
33:54
Speaker 1: not sexy. Because here's the thing about free agency that
33:58
Speaker 1: I always try to like frame everything around, is that
34:03
Speaker 1: you're obviously paying a premium to guys that make it
34:07
Speaker 1: to free agency.
34:07
Speaker 2: That's just part of the game.
34:09
Speaker 1: You a lot of times are not going to get
34:12
Speaker 1: their best years. But in the case of some of
34:15
Speaker 1: these guys like Kyle Tucker, like the Bregman's of the world,
34:18
Speaker 1: the the Bobaschets of the world. You're thinking, like, I
34:21
Speaker 1: can still get pretty close to their best years while
34:25
Speaker 1: paying them, knowing that you know, it's not going to
34:27
Speaker 1: look good on the other ret you bring in someone
34:30
Speaker 1: like Willie Castro or even like these other like utility guys,
34:34
Speaker 1: are you paying for something close to their best years?
34:38
Speaker 1: Like I would argue that's more expensive in you know,
34:42
Speaker 1: in a way than what you would be you know,
34:44
Speaker 1: know it was one or one year eight million is
34:46
Speaker 1: what the athletic projected. Then even paying up for some
34:49
Speaker 1: of those high end players, I just don't think you're
34:51
Speaker 1: getting anything close.
34:53
Speaker 3: It is a dangerous place to live. To your point,
34:58
Speaker 3: we're talking about this because right now the have not
35:00
Speaker 3: really been linked to any hitters. That part of the
35:05
Speaker 3: market is slower to develop, and it normally is. But
35:09
Speaker 3: they've been upfront and outspoken saying they're prioritizing pitching right now.
35:13
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's as simple as the Tigers ranked
35:15
Speaker 3: eleventh and run scoring last year and they ranked seventeenth
35:19
Speaker 3: in ERA. I'm not really counting on the Tigers having
35:25
Speaker 3: like the second best offense in baseball next year. But
35:28
Speaker 3: maybe they think that if Riley Green cuts down the
35:30
Speaker 3: strikeouts and cold Keith takes a step forward and veerling
35:34
Speaker 3: In or Meadows are healthy, that they can have the
35:37
Speaker 3: eighth best offense. And I think they have enough pitching
35:41
Speaker 3: talent it should not be seventeenth. Again, I mean, there's
35:44
Speaker 3: always injuries. You're not gonna be able to predict. But
35:46
Speaker 3: you make a couple of the right signings, maybe they
35:48
Speaker 3: think they can get back to having a top five
35:50
Speaker 3: pitching staff. So you get the eighth best offense and
35:53
Speaker 3: the fifth best pitching staff and you're one of the
35:57
Speaker 3: baseball's elite contenders or right, you know, a notch below
36:03
Speaker 3: the elite, but you are right in the thick of things.
36:05
Speaker 3: And so as much as I and a lot of
36:08
Speaker 3: fans out there don't love the idea of not doing
36:11
Speaker 3: a big offensive move, wouldn't stun me if that's kind
36:14
Speaker 3: of how they're looking at things upstairs.
36:18
Speaker 1: Part of the aspect of being a developing young players team,
36:24
Speaker 1: particularly young hitters, is that you are banking on your
36:30
Speaker 1: ability to get leaps out of out of these guys.
36:33
Speaker 1: So like if you're a basketball fan. You're watching the
36:36
Speaker 1: Pistons right now, You're and you're seeing what you're seeing
36:40
Speaker 1: what Jayalen Durant is doing, Duran is doing. Excuse me
36:46
Speaker 1: mixing up my sports here, Duran.
36:47
Speaker 3: Duran and Jalen Duran in the same to make it happy. Yeah,
36:52
Speaker 3: that'll be.
36:53
Speaker 1: That would be great for the local radio to get
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Speaker 1: those mixed up all the time.
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Speaker 2: So that's obviously a leap.
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Speaker 1: That's a guy who's a young player and he's developed,
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Speaker 1: and he's taking a massive leap so far this season.
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Speaker 1: You're kind of hoping to get like a Durham type
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Speaker 1: leap out of somebody, and and like you know, almost
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Speaker 1: not like every year, but like every couple of years.
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Speaker 1: That's the whole point. And then also I mentioned like
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Speaker 1: the positions that are available and why it's kind of
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Speaker 1: hard to fill these guys to be a free agency.
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Speaker 1: It's not an accident that the last like two seasons,
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Speaker 1: the first prior to this year actually included this year
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Speaker 1: up the middle athletes Cody, you know, talking about Brainer,
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Speaker 1: talking about Clark, you know McGonagall too, if you want
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Speaker 1: to throw it in there, last year's drafts, like like
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Speaker 1: up the middle athletes is where the Tigers are trying
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Speaker 1: to get young or like get them young and then
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Speaker 1: develop them into like, you know, good to star players
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Speaker 1: because this right here, because they're hard to get otherwise,
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Speaker 1: and so just wanted to keep that in mind as
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Speaker 1: as we move forward with this organization.
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Speaker 2: So up the middle athletes is hard to come by,
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Speaker 2: heart come by. They're expensive.
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Speaker 3: I think that kind of says it all right there,
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Speaker 3: I think, uh, I think that's all the mysteries of
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Speaker 3: the world we can solve today. But we'll be with
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Speaker 3: you all off season winter meetings just a couple of
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Speaker 3: weeks away, and eventually this stove is going to start
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Speaker 3: heating up and we're going to see some moves start
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Speaker 3: coming down the.
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