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Texts on the Beach with Dean Unglert · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Let's do this. This is the Ben and Ashley I
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  Speaker 1: almost Famous podcast with her radio. I have a headache.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is this so much is happening right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's just too much for me to process. This is
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  Speaker 1: the almosts podcast. I'm Ben Higgins and Ashley is not here,
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  Speaker 1: so we're filling her in with the one and only,
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  Speaker 1: the beautiful, the incredibly interesting, unbelievably hunky, patient, funny kind
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  Speaker 1: man that I it really has caught my heart and
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  Speaker 1: I for years now. I feel like I don't know
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  Speaker 1: my life before him. His name is Dean Angler. What
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  Speaker 1: an incredible introduction that was. I'm flattered. I'm blushing right now.
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  Speaker 1: Stop okay, keep blushing that back because you just know
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  Speaker 1: it's true. You're like, yeah, I know that's how Ben feels.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I get it. It's funny. I haven't done
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  Speaker 1: this podcast in a long time. So do you hear
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  Speaker 1: an intro that's not to help I suck? A dating
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  Speaker 1: intro is a little interesting. I hope you don't feel
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  Speaker 1: out of place here. I feel a little out of place, Dean.
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  Speaker 1: I think we just gotta jump into I don't. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we could fill the world in on what you're up to.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that would be a good way to start. Dean,
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  Speaker 1: can you give us a little bit of an idea
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  Speaker 1: of what you've been up to recently? Been climbing mountains,
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  Speaker 1: riding dirt bikes, jumping out of airplanes, just about everything
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  Speaker 1: I possibly can do. But I'm back in l A now.
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  Speaker 1: You know. They gave me a call. They said Ben
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  Speaker 1: needed a co host for this week's episode, and I said, look,
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  Speaker 1: no further, I'm your guy. I'm coming right now. A
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  Speaker 1: sixteen hour drive. I drove straight through the night. Here,
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  Speaker 1: I am ready to rock and roll. Um. Two things, One,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley like, Eddie's obviously eeting Mary, so I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know it's crazy, but she chose to focus on the
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  Speaker 1: wedding and not through the podcast this week. Second, Dean, Um,
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  Speaker 1: why in the world, Like, why does a guy like
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  Speaker 1: you decided to do this show? You're traveling the world,
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  Speaker 1: you're living in a van, you're interesting, you're cool, you're smart.
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  Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? I mean, you're climbing mountains
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  Speaker 1: and then going on TV? You may be honest. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I want to be so honest because I know going
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  Speaker 1: on TV will allow me to climb more mountains. And
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  Speaker 1: jump out of more airplanes and go further around the world.
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  Speaker 1: And I get that makes sense. The longing my ability
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  Speaker 1: to do whatever the hell I want. It's fantastic. Do
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  Speaker 1: you go on these like shows? I mean, when when
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  Speaker 1: you start climbing mountains, are you at the top being like,
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  Speaker 1: I want to continue to do this for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of my life? How how am I going to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Or is it I want to find a partner to
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  Speaker 1: this with. And I think the Bachelor franchise may still
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  Speaker 1: be that avenue to do it, and it also allows
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  Speaker 1: me to climb mountains. I'll be perfectly honest with you,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the Bachelor franchise is the right place
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  Speaker 1: to be looking for a person that will want to
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  Speaker 1: climb those mountains with me. It seems like the demographic
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  Speaker 1: of the average contestants not really going to be the
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  Speaker 1: person that wants to be doing those things. From my
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  Speaker 1: personal experience, at least there's a few outliers, of course,
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  Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I kind of pride myself on
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  Speaker 1: being a bit of a black sheep in that sense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you are. You're definitely a black sheep in in the
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  Speaker 1: sense of your adventurous You're wild, you're outgoing, You're a
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  Speaker 1: Colorado boy at heart, Um, and you know what you
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  Speaker 1: do it pretty darn good. Wull be on the show.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing, I don't know if you're gonna find
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  Speaker 1: climbers and hunter gatherers on the Bachelor franchise, but you
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  Speaker 1: will find a lot of drama. Quite frankly, Um, there
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  Speaker 1: are just a lot going on right now, like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of drama going on, lots of Paradise news this week.
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  Speaker 1: And we have some friends that were involved with it.
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  Speaker 1: I think we do. And I don't know how close
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  Speaker 1: you to Blake. I would I considered him a good friend. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So that's how we're gonna start. Obviously, we talked Um
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast yesterday, and Blake and are good buddies.
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  Speaker 1: He lives in Denver. Um. I don't see him too often,
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  Speaker 1: but when I'm around, we try to do dinner maybe
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  Speaker 1: you know, once a month. Dean, You you know Blake,
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  Speaker 1: you're familiar with Blake. We can give some insight here. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Blake Horseman is hitting the news after last night's episode
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  Speaker 1: of Paradise mostly because of this. Um. We've seen the
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  Speaker 1: first two episodes. There's a storyline going on with him
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  Speaker 1: and Klin. Also, there's a couple of storylines kind of
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  Speaker 1: circle around this idea that a stagecoach Blake had slept
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  Speaker 1: with Christina and kalin Um. And then on the first
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  Speaker 1: episode we see Klin admit to a few people that
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  Speaker 1: this relationship with Blake was something. I think the words
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  Speaker 1: were that he silenced her, told her not to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, and then she was hurt by that, showing
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  Speaker 1: up the paradise. Well, last night, I don't know about
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  Speaker 1: seven Mountain time, Blake goes to his Instagram to release
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  Speaker 1: a message on his feed speaking to the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he's hurt, that he apologizes that he knows he made
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  Speaker 1: a mistake, and then he released text messages from kalin
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  Speaker 1: Uh that or it was a conversation between Kalen and Blake.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the purpose of releasing those messages was
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  Speaker 1: to highlight that, Hey, I didn't silencer Um. This was
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  Speaker 1: a mutual relationship. We both knew what were getting into.
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  Speaker 1: We both tried to work this out and and uh.
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  Speaker 1: And so here we sit, the text message are in
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  Speaker 1: the open. I want to start deing with getting your input.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I explained that correctly, right, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the whole story here, but I'm is there
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  Speaker 1: anything I missed out on that sounds good to me
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  Speaker 1: for the most part? Okay, that works. Um, So we're here,
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  Speaker 1: sitting here now. The text message has been released last night.
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  Speaker 1: It feels tell me if I'm wrong. It feels like
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  Speaker 1: a big like this is a bigger deal, like a
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  Speaker 1: big deal. Like these text messages getting released feel to
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  Speaker 1: me like heavy for like just awkwardly heavy for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, I think like the things discussed in the
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  Speaker 1: text messages where what kind of makes it heavy? You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? They weren't just like regular text messages.
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  Speaker 1: And I've I've got a big issue with the text messages.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear why. I respect what he did.
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  Speaker 1: At first, he posted a post uh kind of note
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  Speaker 1: slides where he like had a paragraph explaining himself, explaining himself,
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  Speaker 1: explaining himself. He's like, I made a mistake going to
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  Speaker 1: stagecoach and sleeping with women back back nights. I regret that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to become a better person because of that.
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  Speaker 1: I take ownership of my actions. That's fine. I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: him apologizing for something that maybe he's not proud of
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  Speaker 1: and taking ownership of that. What really crossed the line
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  Speaker 1: for me, And I don't know if you if you
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  Speaker 1: pay really close attention, I say I considered Blake a
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  Speaker 1: good friend because he took private text messages between him
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  Speaker 1: and another girl who did not consent to him. Releasing
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  Speaker 1: these text messages and blasted them publicly for his six
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  Speaker 1: thousand followers, gets picked up to the news outlets, which
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  Speaker 1: then gets blasted out to millions more. It's it's like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not defending Kylin here. Klin made a lot
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  Speaker 1: of mistakes. She she, judging by what we saw on
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  Speaker 1: the show, comes across in not the best light Blake
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  Speaker 1: to Blake made a lot of mistakes on the show
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  Speaker 1: as well, But publishing and publicizing private text messages without
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  Speaker 1: the consent of the other person as a public figure
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most disgraceful things I think you
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  Speaker 1: could possibly do. I think it's almost equivalent to like
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  Speaker 1: sharing someone's new And this isn't just like like I said,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't just a casual conversation Blake. As as it
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  Speaker 1: was outlined on the show, Blake and Kalin seemingly or
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  Speaker 1: allegedly had a relationship from January until April ish. That's
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  Speaker 1: three months. Three or four months. That's a long time
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  Speaker 1: to get to know someone. That's a lot of time
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  Speaker 1: to develop like a rapport with each other, and you
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  Speaker 1: have like a way of talking to each other. And
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  Speaker 1: then you can go back and screenshot those messages and
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  Speaker 1: to someone that is unfamiliar with that report, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: look at that and be like, that's weird. That doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense to me. And then on Blake's side, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry rambling here. I know, and I want to give
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  Speaker 1: you permission to ramble because I don't know if there's
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  Speaker 1: any way. I don't think there's any way to process this.
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  Speaker 1: And as our listeners listen, I'm I'm thinking, I'm sitting here,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going, hey, listeners, I think we just have to
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  Speaker 1: process this together. And so Dean, I like your rambling.
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  Speaker 1: Continue to ramble here, and then I'll try to pick
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  Speaker 1: up some questions on the back end and see if
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  Speaker 1: we can make sense at all. Here's another really really
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  Speaker 1: frustrating thing that I thought of actually just was. I
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  Speaker 1: was walking to studio today while the show was being filmed,
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  Speaker 1: and while we watched it back at being aired, it
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  Speaker 1: was two people having a conversation. Calin expressed her unpleasantness
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  Speaker 1: and her displeasure with the situation. Blake sat there in
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  Speaker 1: silence and wasn't really able to gather the word to
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  Speaker 1: defend himself at the time. That was a conversation between
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  Speaker 1: two people, both had the floor at any time they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to to talk about what they wanted and defend themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Remove that, and now come to where we were left yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: With advertising and publicizing these messages, he then is going
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  Speaker 1: back and picking the specific things that he wants to
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  Speaker 1: share to prove his truths and paint the story that
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  Speaker 1: he wants to paint. And that's really messed up in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, where when it's a conversation between two people,
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  Speaker 1: he had nothing to say. But when he has the
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  Speaker 1: ability to go back and curate exactly what he wants
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  Speaker 1: to and paint the picture he wants to for his
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  Speaker 1: audience and his followers and and gain the approval of
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  Speaker 1: all of these strangers, he's able to pick what he
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  Speaker 1: wants to say and share that with the world. And
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  Speaker 1: now it's like, no matter what Calin us next, she's
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  Speaker 1: kind of responding to it, which puts her at a disadvantage.
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  Speaker 1: So let me play devil's advocate here, because I do
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  Speaker 1: think there's one. Uh. If I understand why Blake released
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  Speaker 1: the messages, I think it's pretty clear he felt pushed
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  Speaker 1: into a corner. He felt like what was being said
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  Speaker 1: on the show was not true to how it went down,
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  Speaker 1: That he didn't tell her to be to be quiet,
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  Speaker 1: that actually a text mts to speak to them both
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  Speaker 1: kind of talking it out and being like, let's just
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  Speaker 1: be honest if it's brought up. Um, you know, while
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  Speaker 1: we've both messed up here, but if we're honest about it,
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  Speaker 1: we're all good. We're too concending adults Like those kind
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  Speaker 1: of things were said, and so I think if I
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  Speaker 1: imagine it as I read them last night, I was like, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: after reading this, it looks like what was said on
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  Speaker 1: the show isn't exactly true. That Blake did not silence Kalen.
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  Speaker 1: But how I guess is that your take coming out
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  Speaker 1: of it also is that whatever was said that he
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  Speaker 1: maybe couldn't put the thoughts together on the show. But afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: as he looks back and he and like reviews the
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  Speaker 1: conversation they had, he goes, oh wait, no, it is
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  Speaker 1: how I remember it. I didn't silence her. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of it's I'm in a tricky spot here because
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  Speaker 1: I do make an appearance on Bachelor in Paradise this year, right,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't made the appearance as far as the audience
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  Speaker 1: is concerned. But I was able to speak with both
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  Speaker 1: Kaylin and Blake during my time on the beach, and
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  Speaker 1: so I have a better understanding of the situation through
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  Speaker 1: my own lens, of course, and you know, probably better
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  Speaker 1: than anyone. Well maybe not in paradise terms, but you're
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  Speaker 1: having let's say there's twenty people in Paradise. That means
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  Speaker 1: that anytime there could be ten conversations going on during
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  Speaker 1: sixteen hours a day. And at that point they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to show every facet and alley
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  Speaker 1: of the conversation, right, They're going to basically use the
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  Speaker 1: parts of the conversation that they want to paint Blake
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  Speaker 1: in the way that they want to paint him. And
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  Speaker 1: my interpretation of watching it back understanding what I what
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  Speaker 1: I learned from being on the beach is that they
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  Speaker 1: just weren't able to put in everything that was said
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  Speaker 1: between the two of them. M H. And it makes
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  Speaker 1: Calin look really bad, it makes Blake look really bad.
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  Speaker 1: They both look really bad. It's real. It's hard to
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  Speaker 1: defend either of them in the situation in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that there's a lot more to the
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  Speaker 1: story that we just necessarily weren't able to see. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean those text messages are pretty revealing that the
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  Speaker 1: text messages highlight, you know, kind of their their plan,
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  Speaker 1: what they're gonna do when they spend time together. It
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  Speaker 1: also talks about how they're gonna process through this when
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  Speaker 1: they get to the show. I actually, um, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, Maybe Dean tell me if I'm crazier. I
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  Speaker 1: read through the text and I don't really have now
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  Speaker 1: a problem with how this I guess hook up went down.
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  Speaker 1: Like they both seem to be consenting to it. They
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  Speaker 1: both seem to be processing it fairly well. Like now
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  Speaker 1: that what Blake and I think this is where after
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  Speaker 1: reading through emails where people are upset, is Kalen's entering
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  Speaker 1: into this relationship with Blake not knowing that Christina was
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  Speaker 1: I think the night before, the night after. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the scenario here, like the following day at some level,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what people are mostly disgusted by is that
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  Speaker 1: it happened back to back and that neither Klin or
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  Speaker 1: Christina knew this going into that evening with with Blake.
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Am I right? I mean that's really I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the outside of everything else that hearsay of,
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  Speaker 1: like hey, you know this is how this is how
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  Speaker 1: he told me to be quiet or anything. It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you slept with somebody else like right after me. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the classiest move by any stretch.
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  Speaker 1: But also it's not like he was obligated to one
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  Speaker 1: person or the other, right, he was a single guy,
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  Speaker 1: Like you have to kind in a way you can
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  Speaker 1: give him a pass on that because he's just a
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  Speaker 1: single guy going about it. It turns out that it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like he just didn't tell the girls about it
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  Speaker 1: until like just before going into paradise, which sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a calculated move in my opinion. And the sharing of
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  Speaker 1: those messages, specifically the sharing of messages from a girl
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  Speaker 1: who you were romantically involved with when she was drunk
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  Speaker 1: and horny and then you go ahead and blast those
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  Speaker 1: text messages on your social is a very obvious form
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  Speaker 1: of slut shaming in a sense, and that's really what's frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, now Kaylin's parents and her sisters and her
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  Speaker 1: friends are gonna have to see these messages. And again
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  Speaker 1: it's no, it's non consensual from her part. Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure that they talked, but like Blake just did it
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  Speaker 1: because he wanted to do it. He wanted to clear
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  Speaker 1: the air for his name, which I get, but there
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  Speaker 1: is just better ways to do it than by publicizing
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  Speaker 1: private text There's a million ways that Blake could have
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  Speaker 1: gone about sharing his side of the story, and the
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  Speaker 1: worst way of those million is by sharing the text messages,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, Go to a news outlet, go on
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  Speaker 1: a podcast, do an interview, like go on this corner
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  Speaker 1: of the street and just start shouting at the top
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  Speaker 1: of your lungs. Don't be sharing private text messages just
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  Speaker 1: to to suade your own guilt and your own ego
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  Speaker 1: and make people that you'll never meet in your life
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  Speaker 1: like you more. You know what I mean. Like, the
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  Speaker 1: only reason he's doing that is because he wants strangers
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  Speaker 1: to like him more. And he and Yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 1: very strongly about this because it really frustrates me. He
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  Speaker 1: is used to being the most the beloved one from
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  Speaker 1: Becca season. He has all this great experience and all
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  Speaker 1: this great exposure from that, and now he's on this
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  Speaker 1: show after having slept with two girls pre show and
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  Speaker 1: going on dates with three plus girls pre show. He
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  Speaker 1: comes into it thinking everything's gonna go his way. Again,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't go his way, and now he's on ice
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  Speaker 1: skates go going downhill backwards because he doesn't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do, and so his first instinct is to blast
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  Speaker 1: out all of these private text messages. And that's my
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  Speaker 1: big issue with it is there's a million ways to
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  Speaker 1: have handled this, and he chose the very worst one
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. You make an interesting correlation between sharing
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  Speaker 1: text messages is similar to sharing nudes. Why do you
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  Speaker 1: say that because you never enter into a text conversation
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  Speaker 1: with anyone ever expecting them to screenshot and advertise them,
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  Speaker 1: the same way you would never send nudes to us.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I personally don't send or received dudes, but
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  Speaker 1: I would never expect anyone to blast those out anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a private conversation. And now,
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  Speaker 1: like if you're a girl and you want to date
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  Speaker 1: or say you're dating blake you kind of in the
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  Speaker 1: back of your head. I have to be thinking about
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  Speaker 1: well ship. This guy's blasted this girl's text messages on
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  Speaker 1: his social media before he might do that same thing
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  Speaker 1: to me. And that's funny is I talked to him
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  Speaker 1: before he did this, before he posted the text. I
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  Speaker 1: reached out to him and I said, hey, I hear
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  Speaker 1: you're thinking about doing this. I really urge you to
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  Speaker 1: reconsider for your own sake, Like, it just is not
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  Speaker 1: a good look. We understand, like you're you're peeved by
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  Speaker 1: the whole situation. It didn't necessarily go how you wanted
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  Speaker 1: it to go. You're catching a lot of heat from it.
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  Speaker 1: But this is just not the right move. And he goes, no,
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  Speaker 1: I just like I need to get it out there.
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  Speaker 1: I need to get it out there, Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what else to do. And yeah, it's just that
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me at all.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about a lot in the podcast with my
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  Speaker 1: biggest issue, like my personal like one of my biggest
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: issues is that I don't react well to anything, Like
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: my first reaction is typically not the right one, especially
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: when I'm like angry or upset and it feels like
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: this was a reactionary move that wasn't fully thought here.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: But no, let me argue that. Let me argue that
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: for a second, because it sounds like quite the contrary.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: If you look at the comments of the post, you'll
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: see Kevin Wentz posted something saying, Hey, man, I know
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: you were talking about this last week, and maybe I
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: don't agree with it, but I'm glad you're speaking your truth.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: So that means that for at least a week he's
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: been considering doing this and interesting and it's so so
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: obviously it's it's a knee jerk reaction that he's kind
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: of had for an extended period of time, like he,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, is that desperate to make sure people
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: don't hate him. M hmm. Yeah. It sounds like he
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: felt like he's been pushed into a corner, you know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: for a week now or however long he's been processing
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: this found you know, these text messages held onto him,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: cheered it with a few friends, and his has just
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: held him or Dean, there's a couple of ways I
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: want to go here. Um, why do you think the
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Kevin's of the world and the rest of these friends
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: of Blake feel like it's okay now to comment on
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: this picture. Aren't they friends of Like? This is a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: part I don't understand. If you know my friends and Dean,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I I consider you a real friend me like a
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: real friend. Um, if you did something stupid in your life,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I would never think you would ever do often? Yeah, never,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: never you do. I would never comment on your public
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: photo to let you know how I feel about it
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: like that. This is another side of this whole thing
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: that I'm not quite understanding, is are we in a
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: world right now, especially within the franchise, where everything has
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: to be done publicly? You know, there's there's a thousand
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: ways ago about it. But as a friend of yours needs,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I would never comment and say I told you not
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: to do this. That to me would be the anti
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: friend move, like, don't now make me look even stupider.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It's pretty ridiculous. I guess I don't see the Like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: what's the end game of doing something like that? Is
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, right, It's like, what do you like?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: What does that goes? What do you do with that? Right?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: What do you plan to get out of that? I mean,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for you. I would do
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the same thing. I know you'd never do anything stupid,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: so I guess I don't have to worry about that
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: with you. But alright, neither of us. I know that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I know that I can expect when I do something
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: dumb and I advertise it or or I apologize for it,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I know I can always expect a private message from you,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: as it should be, because if it's a real friend,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: what they're trying to do is console you. They're not
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: trying to drive more I guess traffic to their own name,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: or get more likes or whatever it is for being
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that public persona on that one issue. I guess if
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. We had a listener right in and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of people from back to the Nation actually
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: comment on this photo. H Kevin was not the only one. Again,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it's an anomaly. I don't quite understand. And you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: if most of us have each other's numbers, if you
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: have an issue, and I know we're using Kevin jam
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: he was just the first person that was brought up here.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I think there's multiple people here. They're gonna find out
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the comment. I don't get it. I don't understand it.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know the end game to commenting on somebody
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that you know is already in the public slight like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: this whole thing from the very beginning seems to be
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: done in the worst of ways. And uh, because a
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: listener wrote in and wanted us to share these, we
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: have one of our producers in studio to read off
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: some of the com mints on Blake's picture. I think
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: it's Danielle. Danielle, you're there to read these. I'm passing
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it off to Tori. Alright, So Caitlin Bristow actually said
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: thank you for being vulnerable and honest. Then Adam, who
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: just got engaged to Raven, said thank you for always
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: being open about this. Always two sides to every story,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and I know firsthand about how editing and portraying can
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: make things look. But the Kevin comment was actually, I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: know I told you last week posting these might not
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: be the best idea, but as a friend, I want
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you to be happy and I know your anxiety was
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: about to be erupt But the most shocking one was Christina,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: who he's in a little bit of a love triangle with,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: said speak your truth. No one can take that away
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: from you, which is interesting coming after the episode from
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: last night, and she rained him, how do you feel
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: about that? I'm trying to read it. My my initial
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: re action is to read it and see who's taking
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: whose side, And it doesn't really feel like anybody's taking
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: anyone's side. Maybe Christine is taking Blake's side. Um, I guess.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: To finish, I still think it's it's just it's odd. Um,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: maybe it's not. Maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm old enough
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: now Dean, where I don't get the social media world
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that well, but you're the same You're the same age
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: as Blake. Well that's a good point. And I just
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: he looks a lot bit than I do. I guess, um,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But I don't understand how these conversations are now public.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: My mom and I talked about this when I was
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: home and it was kind of going back, and I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: do want to correlate this at some point, Dean. Um,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: So I want to move into this in a second
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: with with the Hannab situation and uh, the luke p
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: kind of conversation during her season where she admitted that
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: she had had sex with somebody in a woodmill and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: America kind of backed her. I do want to try
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to see where we go with that. In a second.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: But my mom and I were talking about this and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: we couldn't quite process on today's world, no matter what
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you believe or you feel is your moral right or
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: or whatever, why does it become a social media conversation.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Isn't this one to have in front of people, as
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to humans to say this is how I feel, this
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I think, and and this is why I do what
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I do. It just feels odd to me that these
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: comments are coming on a picture that they know is
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: so sensitive in support or not support. Well, my thing
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: with the with the picture specifically the picture was fine.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: The static post in his feed I thought was was
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: decently written. The issue that I really have is the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: sharing of the text messages on the story, so I
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: can see I can see the bristows reaching out and saying, hey,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I support your vulnerability or I'm glad you said this,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: because the message that he relayed there was a message
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of regret, apology and potential growth. But it wasn't until
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: he shared the text messages that really just kind of
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: took me into overdrive personally and and really pissed me
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: off because there's just no place for that. Um yeah, yeah,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: that's one place I missed. I guess you're right because
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: on the static post it was an apology kind of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: admitting fall but also saying, hey, there's two sides every story.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not the only one involved in this. I don't
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: think I'm as guilty as what it's being portrayed as,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: but I'm sorry because what I did was not right.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And then so the comments are probably based on that post.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And then the pictures on the text meta or the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: text message on the story isn't getting the comments that
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: we're being able to see well, And then that makes sense.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. He posted stories, and then
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of hours later he takes the stories down
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and said, oh my gosh, I didn't want anyone to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: attack Kalin because of these stories. I'm deleting them now.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And that was just like a big slap in the face, Like, what,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you didn't want anyone to attack Kalin and so you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: shared private text messages basically encouraging people to go and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: attack Kalin. And now you're a quote unquote taking the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: high road, and yeah, I don't know, I get it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: So okay, let's talk through now, um, how this is
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: all looked from every side possible I want to go
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: to a couple reader email or listener emails here, I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: see I've been saying reader emails recently. Hey, before we
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: jump into that, Ben A good question that both Tory
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: and Danielle brought up is you see, obviously Christina on
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: this on the show is well kind of like lay
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Blake down and kind of lay into him a little
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: bit as well. But why is Blake not defending himself
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: in that sense? Why is Blake not sharing text messages
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: between him Christina? Why is it just Kalin and Blake?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And now you see Christina commenting on Blake's picture as well,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: supporting him speaking his truth. Well, I don't know. I mean,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I obviously don't know the answer is any of this.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: My assumption would be I do feel like Kalin's um
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: accusations of Blake are a little bit heavier than Christina's.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I think for me, the sleeping around thing people can
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: get over. I think it's the silencing part that when
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I watched it I had a problem with. When it
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: came to Blake personally, I was like, how would you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: ever call anybody that you've had an intimate relationship with
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and call him and say you need to stay quiet
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: because this has to go well for me. That's where
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I had a problem, Like as as a any man
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: or woman that feels like that's their right to tell
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: anybody to be quiet based on an action that you
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: both participate in. Is this is not a good thing.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And so that's why I thought, hey, like, hair accusations
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: are pretty serious. That's manipulation. It's it's odd because even
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: we we actually I talked about how when we were
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in Paradise for the wedding, it was still it was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: still something that like felt like it was heavy over
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the crowd. I mean, I do feel like this is
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a heavy talk topic. Dean, Like, I don't think this
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: is like it's weird to me. For the last party
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: three seasons of the show, both Bachelor, Bachelorette and now Paradise,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: there's been topics that's kind of transcended this, Like Bachelor World.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like ri E season had a few things
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that were like that we're worthy to talk about. The
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: breakup definitely was one of those that felt, hey, this
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: is crazy, this is wild, but it wasn't like heavy.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: This stuff feels heavy to me. I don't know why.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just super sensitive to right now. Um, And
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I've been out of it for long enough where I'm
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit disconnected, but it feels heavy. I want
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to ask, and I think talking to you is help
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: me process it. Originally I didn't understand why Blake was
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: getting so shamed for sleeping with two people. Again, personally, Uh,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you know, morally, whatever you want to feel, that's up
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to you. I think there's a right and wrong in
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: my life. I think there's a right and wrong when
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it comes to the values and morals that I think
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: are best for us as humans. But again, Dean, you
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: might disagree with me, and with that, I can't change
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: what you think, and there's no really point to me
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: to try to do that outside of just saying, hey,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: let's have a conversation. And so I was confused on
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: what was different with Hannah Be and Blake. Hannah Be
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: admitted to sleeping with somebody, um, and then you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I was willing to become engaged to somebody else. Um.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: She stood up for herself and said, hey, it's my body,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it's my right. I owe you nothing. Uh. And then Blake,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it looks like if he stood
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: on the beach and he goes, it's my body, it's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: my right, I owe you nothing. I don't know how
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: people respond to that, but I was like, I feel
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: like there's parallels probably when it comes to sleeping with
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: multiple people. Again, my issue though, was the silencing talk.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: The silencing talk was it got me. I don't I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: don't understand where it was coming from. So basically text
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: messages that we read, it looks like Blake didn't ask
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to silence Kalin and you were just explaining that she
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: felt like like a dirty secret. But basically text messes
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: looked like there was an agreed upon, Hey, let's not
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: talk about it until it's brought up, and what we
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: saw on the show looks like Kalin was the one
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that brought it up right away. Is there anything more
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to that that you can help me process because I'm
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: having a hard time understanding still where this silencing idea
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: came from. I think that, like kind of what I
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the episode is we're seeing
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the text messages that Blake wants to choose for us
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to see. We're seeing the hand picked messages to paint
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the picture that he wants to paint for us. We
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: also don't see the phone calls. We don't see of
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: their conversations, right, and so we can't sit here and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: objectively say Blake said this or Blake didn't say this.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: You kind of have to take Helin for her word,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: which at this point it's difficult to do because we've
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: seen her kind of go back on her word a
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: little bit. Obviously if he if he did end up
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: saying that, that's obviously a very very horrible thing to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: say someone, especially especially coming into a situation like this.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It's just like, it's kind of I don't know, if
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: there's so many things moving, there's so many moving parts
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of this situation. It's absolutely it's it's really hard to
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: kind of like process all of it. I have one
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: final question for you, Dean, but before we do that,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I want to take a second and talk about some
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of our sponsors. Dean. We're coming back on the episode.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: We're talking about Blake here. We're just getting ready to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: kind of finish out. Um this i'd say mess, mess
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: of a situation. Uh, it feels heavy. It's definitely you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: polarizing paradise one of the other the other things that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: we continue to get this week. Uh, and that we
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast of the first episode is
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: why do people choose to have conflict on the show? Um,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it feels pretty easy to just handle this stuff off
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: of the show. You have the numbers, you have the phones,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you have texting. But you mean Christina is an example here.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: She comes onto Paradise and it's pretty clear that she
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: comes onto Paradise to confront Blake. Um, there was three
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: days in a Paradise at this point. I mean, I'm
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: assuming she probably was talking to him a week before that,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: or could have what is the reasoning to conflict and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: confrontation on national television instead of offline? I guess you
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: just get more eyeballs on you, like, why, why? Why
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: is that something we want? Dean? I think Christina? I mean,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you can't speak for Christine. Obviously, Christina
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: had a rough go around the first Bachelor in Paradise.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: She was on because of me, right, so now maybe
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: she feels vindicated to come in this time around and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: be like, look, I'm going to be the stern ass
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and put men in their place. And so she just
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: kind of came in with his mentality where she's gonna
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: kind of take that approach. That's kind of the way
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that I viewed it. It was so confusing to me
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that a Christina comes in asks Blake on a date,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: of all people, Blake says yes to the date. Christina
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: then just kind of like lays into Blake the whole time,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and Blake just can't really seem to muster up any words.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Like it was just a whole weird sequence of events
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that didn't really make much sense to me. I agree
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: with you. Why did Christina and Blake not have this
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: conversation weeks prior to coming into Paradise? What's the benefit
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of having it on the show? Do either of them
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: stand to benefit anything from it? Like? Not really if Christine.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: If Christine is going on the show to find a partner,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: as you know you you're supposed to be doing on
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that show, then why is she asking someone that she's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: already pursued and failed a relationship with. It's it's it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: something I don't understand, Dean and and so bring up this.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: You said it a couple of times. Blake just seems
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: like he has a lack of words right here. Why
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: do you think he is shocked every time a girl
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: says I liked you like we've seen this now twice
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Christina and Klein have both said this. I don't think
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: we've seen Hannah g say it or Tastious say it.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But why when it said? Is it like completely caught
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: off guard? That's hard, hard question to answer. I don't
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: know if we have an answer. I mean, you don't
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: have to have an answer. I just it's like something
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that when I noticed. One thing that makes me I
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: think Blake isn't quite as absolved in all of this
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: is his reactions to when Klin shows up, to when
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Christina shows up to his interviews where he's by himself
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and he's saying, oh, man, I gotta get out of Paradise.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be in paradise. That's not the things that
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: an innocent person says, or that's not under the way
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: an innocent person reacts to someone coming into paradise, especially
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: someone that you know is coming into paradise. It it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: just there's so many mystery boxes in this whole situation,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: like why are you reacting this way? Why are you
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: saying these things? And then now why are you saying
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that you're innocent in all of this when from what
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: we're seeing on the show, which is really what we
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: have to base most of the most of it off
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of it doesn't really appear that way at all. And again,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I think it just boils back to him wanting everyone
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to love him as much as everyone did coming off
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Becka season. Now he's getting a little bit more hate
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't necessarily know how to handle it. And
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I even, yeah, I don't know. I tried to. I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: tried to prepare him for that, right because I went
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: through my own hate a Bachelor Paradise season four, and
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it just it's fallen on deaf ears. So we we're
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: talking here about reactions, and we were saying, Hey, why
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: is Blake reacting like he didn't know that these girls
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: liked him? And we don't know if we can even
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: answer that. I don't I don't know if we know
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: enough about it. But one of our listener email says this,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: how is Klin supposed to talk to Blake first before
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: anyone else the list The email continues and it's as
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: he literally ran from her and hid when she came
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to the steps. That spoke volumes. Now, I think a
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: little bit of this when it comes to reaction, a
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: lot of the show is something that we um that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that is real, that stuff that happens, and some of
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the reactions, I would say, our stuff that I don't
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: always read too much into because it's it's clippets, it's
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it's it's bites. And you know, if a girl walks
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in the stairs, they can get Blake. You know, watching
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: somebody throw a football seventy miles with his mouth wide open,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and that's the face they used to win. They're walking
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: in the stairs. Is this one of those like do
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you think he ran from her and hid or do
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you think he just didn't want to talk. It's certainly possible.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: We've seen it before. I'm sure we see it more
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: frequently than we even realize. Knowing that the blueprints and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the layout of the beach, the places that he was
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: running to are not places you would go to for
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: either an interview, to grab a snack, to grab a drink.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Those are places that you're going to to remove yourself
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: from the situation is and solely to be out of
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the situation, you know what I mean. Well, it brings
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: up the question should Blake just remove himself completely at
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: this point? Should he leave Paradise? I mean we know
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: what he does, but should he? I mean, you've been
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: down there, you know the pressures, You've been in a
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: spot yourself that feels helpless and out of control. Is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: there ever thought that says, I just gotta get out
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: of here? Well, you see Blake saying that in his interviews.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: He's like, man, I just gotta get out of here.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Is there an option just to get out of there?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I think you always have kind of have the option.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I will say, I try to get out of there
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: halfway through season four and they never let I was like,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out of here, and they're like, all right, cool,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: sit here. In like six hours later, I was still
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: sitting there. I was like, all right, could I guess
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I'll just stay sorry, languish. So I think, like you,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: you theoretically have the choice to leave if you really
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: wanted to. But I don't think that necessarily that you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it might have looked worse for him to leave, really,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: but that but that goes back to my original point
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: is you wouldn't an innocent person with nothing to hide
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be saying things like I gotta get out of here.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: This place isn't for me. I'm in over my head,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: like if you I don't know, what do you think?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never been to Paradise. I mean,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I know the Batchel would be really hard to leave.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I mean we've seen one try and it didn't go
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: very well. Um, I mean the Badger at I don't
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: think I could have ever left. I don't know where
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I would have gone half the time, here in some
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: weird location that you know, you know nobody and you're
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: locked away. I don't know what Paradise is like. Some
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: people leave Paradise midway through a couple of times. I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: think Christina did it my season. I think at least
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: every season you have at least like one or two
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: people that bows out of like a rose ceremony or something. Yeah,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to wait for the right time.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: At this point, as I'm watching the show, it's weak two.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: This is obviously not going well at all at this point.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: For Blake, I mean, I bet he feels like he's
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: been hit by a semi truck. He went down there
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: thinking this was gonna be awesome, it was gonna be fun.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: He was going to have a girl or two that
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: he was gonna be interested in. Everybody's gonna get along. Um,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be the king of the beach. And three
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: days in he's like, oh boy, why do you think
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: he's on that first date? I have no clue that's one.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: That's so this is the question I have for you.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So we see at the end of the episode that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Hannah Gee kisses Blake after. This is hard for me
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to watch, not for the Blake reason. Really, I just
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: really like Hannah Gi and Dylan, and I think Dylan
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: seems like a nice guy. But she kisses him after
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: she was excited about Blake potentially taking her on the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: first day and said he takes Tasha. What is there
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: more that he wants to find out about Tasha? Is
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Tasha the kind of the mystery woman to him that
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: he hasn't got to spend a ton of time with. Um,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: there's obviously, I think a background with him and Tasha
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: outside of the outside of Paradise. I don't know, right,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know if that's been
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: discussed yet. But there's also background with him in Hannah
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: on the show. So there's a background with Christina Kaylin,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Hannah and Tasha. And he decides to take Tastia on
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the day. Do we know? Why? Do we have any
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: insight why? I don't know the way I at least
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: perceived it. I don't know if this is confirmed or not.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Was he knew he liked Hannah, He thought that he
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: could have liked Tasha, and so he took Tasha on
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: a day to see if there was something there. It
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: was a It was a dumb move in my opinion.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: If you know you're there for Hannah, then you should
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: probably be taking hand on a date. He just he
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: was just shooting himself in the foot left and right.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It really is a very confusing situation.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I would assume like I don't know, I really have
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: no idea. Huh. I'm honestly, I'm surprised how this is
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: playing out there. There just seems to be a lot
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of things right now, UM that I feel like they're
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: going against Blake, and I think some of it almost
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: feels like a lot of them are are done by
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: him just making some really weird decisions. Now to move
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: on past these text messages, well, how do you feel
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: about the text messages? Um? What I feel like is
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: this is he feels pushed into a corner. Anytime any
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: person feels pushed into a corner, I think we feel
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: like we have to defend and react, especially when we
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: feel like we're in the right. I think Blake looked
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: at these text messages, didn't realize exactly the weight of them,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and said, this is my proof that I'm not all
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: wrong here. And I look at these text messages. I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: read them, and if I read the text message, I go, yeah,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you're not all wrong. Like they they point to you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: advising and consulting and talking about and having a conversation
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that releases you from the idea that you silenced Kalin.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: But I also agree with you in the sense of
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: their text messages and they're private. But I think it
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: was the only thing he felt like he had to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: defend himself. If not, he was just gonna eat turds
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: for as long as this plays out for and you
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: know it doesn't last forever. But and I think there's
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit of like he said in his message,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the name is the only thing he has. I think
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: right now he feels like there's no recovering from what's happening.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I think there was another I think there was a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: way for nobody necessarily to win if we're looking at
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: winning here in this, but to get both stories out.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And I think you're right. I think an interview, a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: podcast something is a better way to do it. You
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you get to talk it through. UM. But I do
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: think that they I think the sex uh texts are
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: are very personal and I think they're they're tough for
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: me to swallow UM because you just it's just it's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: hard to think that those could be released publicly. But
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I think Blake just felt pushed
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: into a corner and he reacted. Now I don't know
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: necessarily what the like consensus, you know, response has been.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if people are in favor of this
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: on their Hints team or Kalen's team. Imagine it's pretty
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: mixed reviews. I'm not great in these scenarios because again,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I just think a phone call would have been better.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Like I just think of a conversation UM way before
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the show even happens, would have been better. A joint statement,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: maybe a joint statement something, something that clears the air
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: for both. It's weird, you know what I go to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: It's like, what does the future look like now? Like
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you're thirty years old, and now people are gonna know you.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: This is the hard part of the show is they're
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: gonna know you as the guy that slipt around and
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: they're gonna know the confrontation as a confrontation that's memorable
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: on Paradise. And do you don't want to ask you?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I mean you've been in it, and so again to
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: clear that up, I guess my answers. I don't know
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: how I feel. Quite honestly, I don't know what would
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: have been best here. I don't know any more of
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the story than what I read and all on Instagram
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: last night. So you in season four had your own controversy.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: It affected your life, It affected you personally. I'm sure
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: it felt heavy and it felt like you were in
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: your own corner during that time. Remove yourself from any
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: biased in this scenario. What advice would you give somebody
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to move through and on from this and not letting
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: it affect their life? And then does it or does
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: it affect your life and change everything completely? Well, I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: told you, I think I mentioned that earlier, was before
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Paradise began airing. I had a conversation with Blake about
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: what he could expect because the situations are different, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: there the responses are going to be similar, you know
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: what I mean. And I told him it's going to
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: get a lot worse before it gets a lot better.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And I told him that people have a very short
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: memory span, especially when it comes to this, especially on
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: a week by week basis as the season is airing. Um. Yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I still have a lot occasionally have someone like mentioned
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: something about my experience on Paradise the first time around,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: but it's it's basically non existent. Um. I think back
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: to my relationships coming out of Bachelor Paradise, Bachelor Winster Games,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: going through those breakups, and I'm like, I and this
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: is this is maybe just the biggest is connect that
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I have is I would never imagine sharing personal text
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: messages to vindicate myself during those breakups. I've had my
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: fair share of of excess saying things that I didn't
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: like hearing and going through situations where people were saying
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the wrong things about me to me that my nextes
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: have said. It never even crossed my mind to screenshot
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: messages and share them with the world to prove my
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: innocence in that sentence. And so now to see someone
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: going to that length, it just is it's like disturbing.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think that he really did anything that wrong
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: up until that moment um. But like I said, I
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: gave him some advice. I tried my best, I said,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could go back through our text messages
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and kind of remember, but I told him to get
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a lot worse. Yeah, I won't um And I told
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: him that he just needs to wait it out, man,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Like even a month after Paradise is airing, and even
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: even just before he posted these text messages the other day,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I said, man, just give it one week, wait for
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the next week's two episodes to air, and I almost
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: guarantee you no one will be talking about this still.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And he goes, no, it's it's gotta go now. It's
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: now or never. I gotta do it. Man, you don't
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: have to do anything. You you have the ability to wait.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: That's the one thing that's working in your favorite now
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: is you have time. The only thing that's pressing you
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: for time is your own like anxiety kind of weighing
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: in on you, and you're thinking that you have a
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: deadline to get this out, to share your truth. Wait
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: a week, see how it how it rolls over into
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the next week, see if it dissipates at all. And uh,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it's it's kind of funny looking back now at the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: advice that I was trying to give him both in
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: releasing these text messages in the week prior before the
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: season even aired, because everything I said was just discounted,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: not listen to. I don't know, it's it's it's kind
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: of hard to see. But I even have, like I
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: have other friends within the franchise that I know we're
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: talking to him about the messages and all that kind
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of stuff and telling him not to do it. Everyone
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: that I've talked to about this that's spoken with him
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: as said, they've told him not to do it, and
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: yet he still goes and does it. So it's like
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: when you have your friends are telling you you shouldn't
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: do something, and you go and do it. Anyways, Like
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: where do you see the I don't know the right
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: in that. I remember the feeling when Lauren I broke
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: up and it went public, like the weight of it
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and like how you felt like the world was against
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you or for you, Like he felt like there was
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: just so much heavy like attention on your relationship and
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you wanted to get a statement out there and you
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: wanted to share both sides of the story, and people
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: then started to assume things, and you know, pictures come
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: out and you're there, they're saying things and you I
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: think the one advice I would give was, you just
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: almost have to eat turds until it's done, Like you
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: just have to sit in it, sit through it, let
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: it settle, and then wisdom comes. Right in peace, wisdom comes,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: and so once it's peaceful and it's settled and everything
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: has been played out, then you can respond. And I
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: think that's the one advice I would give now. Granted,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I knew that advice back then,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: because all I ever wanted to do was like screamed
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: from the rooftops, this is what happened. But my friends
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and my family consistent, consistently remember this, told me, don't
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: do it, don't do it, stop, don't say a word.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And I didn't, and I never did, and I'm glad
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't. Now this isn't because I did anything right.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It was because the friends around me who cared for me,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: who legitimately I think cared for me, said then, I know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: this feels like it's gonna feel better. And I know
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: this feels like how it's all going to be solved
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: and how everybody's now going to be quiet, But trust me,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: it's not. Well that's a difference, but we did that's
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the difference between and Blake. It sounds like that as
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you listen to the people that cared about, here's you advice,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and on the flip side, he got advice from people
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: he cares about and vice versa, and still went against
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: that advice. Hey, I did something right, Dean. We talked
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: about earlier. That's that's cool. I did thanks man. Hey, Um,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: we have to move on here because we do have
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: a special caller who loves hot sauce um to like
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: an oddly gross amount. And then we also have to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: break down the episode real quick. Most of this episode
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: revolved kind of around Blake and kaalen Um and then
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: blake story with Christina. Uh. We do see some relationships forming,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: We see some love in the air. Uh. Hannah Gee
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: and Dylan are definitely the ones that the America seems
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to be rooting for right now. We also see analyze
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: stick up for Angela we talked about a little bit
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: last week. Um, but it kind of finishes this week, Dean,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: why is that happening? Like, why does somebody on the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: outside come in and feel like that is their place again?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Why can't you have these conversations offline? You're saying with
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Analyies and Clay. Yeah, maybe they just don't have really
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk about it. I would assume that
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Clay and Analyst aren't talking every day, are very often,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you know, So I don't even think I'm sure that,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that antliest probably didn't expect to see Clay
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: in Paradise and vice versa. I do know that the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: guys are giving out the roses this week, so I
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: can maxcuse can't spoil anything. But um, that's that's a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: tricky situation because what really bothered me about the Analyst
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Clay situation is it's not up to Analyze to decide
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: when Clay is ready to move on. Clay Anilies was saying,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you broke up with Angela three months ago, you're not
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: ready to be here. It's not really her place to
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: say when Clay isn't isn't ready to move on? And
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: it sounds like maybe that Paradise was a good opportunity
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to help it move on. Yeah, that's kind of what
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I thought. I mean, there's there's obviously backstory still there
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: that we don't see. But Demmi uh is the first
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: to call analytes out in typical Demmi ways. She just
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: goes at it and she just says what she thinks.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I love that. She goes, uh, So, why did you
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: say that to Clay? And Anis goes, I didn't want to,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: but I had to. And Dammy follows it up by saying,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: well why, She's like, I feel like I didn't drop it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: She Normally people would be like, okay, but she's stuck
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: with it. It makes sense. It's like, if you didn't
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: want to do it, why did you do it? Yeah?
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Like there isn't anything more there. Maybe the biggest story
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Dean from Paradise and Twitter was blown up about it.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I think it might be the outside of a few
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: of the stories we've already talked about, one of the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: big big things we gotta talk about. Why does Bibiona
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: continue not to find somebody on Paradise. It's a great question.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: How does that happen? She's beautiful, she's great, she's a
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: terrific human. She's beautiful, she's sweet, she's cool. We talked
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: about it. I mean, like, what is going on here? Uh,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that's a question I don't think I can really answer.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really know her that well. Obviously
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: she's very physically attractive. Maybe she just doesn't vibele with
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the people down there. Maybe she doesn't put forth quite
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: the effort um. It's not her it's not her arena
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to operate in. It's tricky to say. I guess I
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: don't really know what her type is. I don't know.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe that maybe the type that you see on Bachelor
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: in Paradise isn't necessarily who she would go for but
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: back in Florida, and so she doesn't really feel that
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: need or urged to commit to like pursuing a relationship
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: with anyone down there. Maybe she just likes going for
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: a couple of days and she you know, because she
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: was on Bachelor Winter Games with us. Actually now that
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: now that I think of it, Yeah she was. She
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, she's fantastic, she was wonderful. We love Bibiana. Uh,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: speaking of relationships and speaking of an Ealese. Maybe one
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: of the most awkward moments I've ever seen in Bachelor Paradise,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: And maybe it was just me. The kiss between Chris
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Bukowski and Annaliese felt really awkward. Did you notice this?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I totally forgot they kiss, But yeah, now that they
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: think of it, you're right. They just look like neither
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: of them really wanted to do it, but it felt
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: like eight Tonight's roast ceremony, like I've got one shot
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: at this, Like, let's make this thing happen. And at
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: least did that with uh Chris Bukowski. I think Kalin
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: did that with Cam. I think that AKA did it
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: with John Paul Jones. You see a lot of those
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: like desperation kisses. Oh wow, you're right, I forgot the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Kalin and Cam deal. I think that deserves a little
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: bit more attention, a little bit more scrutiny. What do
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: you think about that, Dean? I think it's hilarious. I
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: mean it's like, you know, you're you're you're like kiss
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: him where you go home in that sense, I think,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: and all three of those senses. So sometimes you just
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: gotta close your eyes and pucker up and and hope
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: for the best. Do you think Cam was just like
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: what do you think Cam was thinking? He probably was
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: on cloud nine. He's over the Moon ecstatics that dude literally,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I bet he literally like was walking on
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: water that night. Oh absolutely, I'm excited to see their
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: love story unfold. To be perfectly honest, where do we
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: go from here? Do you think I think this guy
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: is the limit for them too. They seem like they
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: could be the next power couple coming out of Bachelor
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: in Paradise. Do you think it even lasts five minutes
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: into the next episode. I hope it does because it's
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: gonna be good for the viewers, And honestly, like that
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: type of funny relationship dynamic is gonna be a lot
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: better to watch than Blake crying and Christine and Klin
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: crying and everyone else like yelling at each other. I
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: would much rather see that than just about anything else
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: we've seen this far. That that does deserve more attention.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think's getting enough attention. Like, how does that happen? Yeah,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: it's It almost reminds me of the sand Lot where uh,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: the kid goes in the pool and the lifeguard starts
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: giving him, you know, mouth to mouth, and then all
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: of a sudden they're kissing, and he's like on cloud nine.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: It's his dream come true. It almost reminds me of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: that scene. That's pretty funny. It's different circumstances, but very similar,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: very similar in a lot of ways. Uh. Finally, the
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: story that we have talked about before we bring on
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: a really special guest is uh, you know, actually, let's
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: bring her on to talk to her about this. We
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: have Jane from Bachelor Paradise. Jane is best known for
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: her hot sauce um and pouring the hot sauce down
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: her throat. I want to talk to Jane about what
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: she did to j p J. I was like literally
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: on the floor laughing at this scene. It was one
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: of the funniest things I've ever seen, just because of
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: how bad she felt and how sick j p J was.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: But before we bring Jane on, let's take a little
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: break to talk about sponsors. We have Jane out there
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: on the line to talk about j p J. Jane.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Almost fame As podcast. Glad that you
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: here today. I Jane Dean is the co host today.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: If you're wondering why Ashley's voice just sounds a little
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: bit different, Uh, Jane, you had one of the most
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: memorable scenes from this last episode. It might be of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: the funniest scenes I've ever seen on Paradise. You decided
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: to swoop in on JPJ? Can you lead up to
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: when your your love and your eyes started to go
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: towards JPJ uh during your time on Paradise? Um? Sure,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, let's not go as far as
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: saying love, but um yeah. I think it took me
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: like times to kind of get out of my style
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: on Paradise, just because I wasn't super familiar or for
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: clothes with any of the girls for the guys. So
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: the only person that I kind of felt like comfortable with,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: like talking to was jp J because he so easy going,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: mainly because every other word is yeah, yeah and cool
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and you know, so she's just so easy to sauce to.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I definitely gravitated towards
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: him because he just made me feel the most comfortable. Um.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: And that's how I kind of, you know, pulled into him.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: How did you what when did you find out that
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: he was allergic to tacos? Oh my gosh, okay, he's
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: not allergic to tacos. I don't want to be responsible
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: for like killing anyone like that was traumatizing. Um. I
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: think the problem is that it's really hot in Paradise
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and I really sicy. So when I hand you with
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: taco and Paradise, if you can't take the heat, I mean,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I guess like that's what it leads to. Do you
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: want to really really ficy tacos. I'm not gonna lie,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: like I am the sic queen, and like even for me,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: dot taco was like super super super fiery hot. But
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: like obviously, you know, being who I am, I was like, well,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I can do it. And then I look over and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: JP is like where did this? Where did this affinity
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: for hot sauce come from? When was this born? Um?
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I mean I just feel like you're born with it,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Like you're either born with that spice or you're not.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Like you can't just like develop it, like you just
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: gotta love it. So I started like eating like spicy
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: candy when I was like, or it's just candy called lucas.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: It's like Mexican candy and it's super super spicy, So
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: that you know that's where it came from. What are
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on hot cheetos? Oh my god, I living
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: breathe hot cheetos. I don't know what am talking about
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: just like the regular hot Cheetos, I'm talking about like
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: the black that's like the extra extra extra I love them.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I like, seriously have it for breakfast. You're extra extra
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: hot spicy cheeto yourself. Jane, thank you very much, A
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: complimented Jane. Where did you want to see the spice
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: with JPJ? Actually go? Um, I feel like either so
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: little time in Paradise, everything is super rout. So I
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: was just hoping, like because he was the one that
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I felt the most like open and comfortable with, Like
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I wanted to explore where that could go, and I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to see, um, you know, just like what could
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: possibly develop because we have a pretty good set like friendships,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and I was hoping like maybe something more would come
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: out of it. I just didn't think what would be
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: coming out was the taco from his like stomach. But
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: that's a good way to be remembered. But there's really
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: no scene in Bachelor and Paradise, Sister that I have
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: last at this hard because it might be a little
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: evil of me. And I'm starting to believe now with
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the spiders in my garage, that I have a little
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: bit of evil inside of me. Um, because you feel
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: so bad, like you're crushed, Like it almost looks like
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: you're in tears because the guy that you're trying to
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: go to date with is puking on the beach because
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: of the talk go you gave him, so him tasting
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the taco made him puke as a result, you're crying, going,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean it to go like this, and I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: am at home dying laughing, and I was literally like,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: this isn't aspire m the plan, like you know, like
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I did not think you was, you know, like she
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: just really couldn't have taken the heat. But you know what,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I will say my soul mate when
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I hand him a spicy taco, even if it's too
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: spicy for him, like my man will take it down. Okay.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: So it just kind of showed me like, well, isn't
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: my soul mate because she's got to be able to
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: stand the heat. And by the heat, I mean the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: taco and me. So you know, I love Davy Day.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I guess you'll always be a friend. But you know,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: if you can't, you can't take the spice, and I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: guess you can't keep me either. I hope one day, Jane,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: you can find a man who enjoys the taco and
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: your spice, me too. I hope, I don't hope I
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: never have to like like cause anyone any food poisoning.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I really did feel so bad though, like I don't.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much like the audience sees that
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I was hysterically crying. Did you never want to be
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: responsible for someone puking their brains out at the beat
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: And let's be really like the way Day Day did.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: It was like so like he tried to feel like
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: really keep it some posts like cuke, I'm okay, cuke,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I love good, you don't even worry about it, and
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, day Day, I'm calling the ambulance. It was
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: pretty commendable. He would puke and then walk back into
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the crowding like right up, and he's like I'm okay,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I'm good. And then he's like ts all over it and
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, you're not, Like I'm gonna go
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: get you some water. I can't. It was so bad.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: It was really kaumatizing, Like it was so traumatizing. Yeah,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I bet I'm just looking back on this right. And
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: then Yaka comes in and event she's are like, oh no,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: what happened, and I'm like, oh crap, now I just
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: made like, you know, her potential christ puke and I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: has to see him like that, and I'm just like,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I hope jp J doesn't hate me. I
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: hope a Jago doesn't kill me, like you know what
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'd like to stay alive on this island. Yeah. Well, Jane,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: you're commendable, uh for sharing what you hoped was a
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: beautiful dinner date with j P j um. I don't
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: even know how to say. Quite honestly, I'm having a
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: hard time summing this up because like all dirtiness aside.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: All I want to say is like Jane's tacos made
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: j P j P. But that's so inappropriate. On how
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: to end this, I don't want to say right now,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you want to cry right now. I
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: know I really didn't feel so bad, but he totally
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: came up to me after and he was like, I
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: know it wasn't your fault, like you don't don't worry
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, I don't even talk to been nice,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean to throw up. I lived with
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: kind so I couldn't even respond to him. And he
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: like tries to comfort me as he's standing there like
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: pay all, like sweaty, like tedtown Slider from everything just
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: too Yeah, that's that's the real that's the real spirit
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: of Paradise. In my opinion, that sequence of events is
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: better than anything we've seen up until this point this
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: season in Paradise. I appreciate that at least, you know,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I you know, I am, I left my mark. Oh
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: my card so bad. M Well, Jane, We wish you
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: the best. We hope love is out there for you. Uh, Jane.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your taco on Paradise and thank
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: you for continue to be an advocate um for hot
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Sauce everywhere. Jane. We appreciate you. Thanks coming home as
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: soon as podcast. Thank you so much. You guys are awesome.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Keep de Spisy. That's wow. She loves it. She loves it.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: She's good at it. Honestly, Dean, I don't know how
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: to like my middle school self came out there and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: like there was no ability to talk about this scenario
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: without just like laughing, Like I just just but that's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: too much. That's why we want to watch Paradise is
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: from things like that that make us laugh and that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: we have to really like take too seriously, you know,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I agree. It felt fun to watch like that felt
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: like it felt like a real scenario, Like it felt
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: like something that would happen in real life. That's enjoyable
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: that us as viewers get to live vicariously through. It's vulnerable,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: it's it's not threatening, and it's not the kind of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: heavy stuff that we've seen so far in Paris. I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: hope we get to it. This is the first we
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: should note, Dean. This is the first season that Alan
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Gail hasn't been in charge of Paradise, and so the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: field and the look might be different than past seasons.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: And I think I'm interested to find out. Are they
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: going to go more on the dramatic side, Are they
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: gonna go more funny and like lighthearted? Where is this
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: season going to go? Because you were in Paradise. I
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: don't know if I can even have you answer, because
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I think your your answer probably pretty accurate to the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: season is going to go well from what we've seen
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: so far, I would say it's avery more on the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: side of drama. Yeah, does it turn around? Is my question? Like,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: does it reverse and start becoming more fun to watch?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I can't. I think even if I had the ability
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: like the open floor to answer that question, I don't
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: think i'd be able to interesting lack of knowledge, you know, yeah, hey, no,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: go ahead, but Dean. To close out this podcast, we're
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about the couples pairing up
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: in Paradise. Uh no roads Tomay this week, but we
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: did see Analysa and Careers hitting it off. Um their
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: kids felt weird. We've said it. It's a little cringeworthy.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was just them not expecting
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: to kiss or it being forced. Chris and Christina are
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: talking Wills and Hannah g Um, but Hannah g does
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: tell him not to waste the rose on her, so
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: she is going to stay with Dylan. It looks like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: and Blake is lighting handles as we see um, and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's insinuating that Hannah g is going to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: be the one to to enjoy those candles. The other
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: couples are Demian Derek. We've seen them kind of hit
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: it off, um, Cam and Kalin. That seems to be
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: a hot and steamy relationship that we'll see where that goes.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: We're excited for that one. And Um, I don't know
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: who else. Who else is in Paradise hitting it off
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: right now? That's a good question. Who's uh Sidney hitting
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: off with? Who's Katie hitting it off with? Still pretty early,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: It's still pretty early. I think there is a lot
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: more couples to come. Um listeners please. Emails have been
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: an Ashley uh i heeart media dot com and then
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: also tag us on Instagram almost from his podcast. Let
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: us know who you want to see couple up? Also,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: any couples that you're just totally against right now? Do
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you think it's absolutely crazy? Let's know that as well. Hey,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take some listener emails. Dina is gonna stick
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: around for it. It's been a great podcast. But before
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: we do, let's take one last break to talk about
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: our sponsors. Listener emails one of our favorite times of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: the almost Famous podcast. We've got a lot this week.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: As you can imagine, opinions are fiery. We've got so
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: many opinions coming off of Paradise it's a little bit overwhelming.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: That's why we do two episodes. Now, do you get that? Like,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: because of how much response we have to this podcast,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: now we're pumping out more podcast I'm a big fan
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: of it. Thank you for taking up, you know, three
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: hours of my week instead of just one and a half. Now.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: But hey, that's uh, that's what we talked about later.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Isabella writes in thoughts on these b I P girls
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Because I love Christina. I want her to find love
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: so bad. Do you think you's gonna try again with
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Dean or is Dean going to try again with her? Also,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: I want to hear your guys opinion on Klin because
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: there's never really a huge fan of hers. Thoughts. Okay,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: we've talked about Calin enough. I think we can skip
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: over that. But Dean, are you gonna go after Christina?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I guess you're just gonna have to tune in to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: find out to see if me and Christina could potentially
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off Paradise. Oh, I bet
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: there's a love story behind that. Oh that's what's gonna
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: be fun about next week? Is you got to see
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: me come into the beach that we go? I would
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: assume it's next week. I actually don't know, but I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: think it is little deaners popping down the stairs. Yeah,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: nothing's better, hey, Megan writes in Dean, this is a
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: great question for you betting situation at b I P.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: So obviously everyone is sweaty and it's humid, and there's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: constantly people leaving in arriving, so they need to know
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: how often did this change? Sheets get changed during paradise.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: It's a good question. I mean, the beds get made
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: every day. I guess I could paint the picture picture
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: for you this way. There is three sleeping areas there.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: There's the guy sleeping area, the girls sleeping area, and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: then there's a new arrival sleeping area. So say there's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: four new arrivals in a week, they will sleep in
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: the new arrivals area, and then when the people leave
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: from the old room, they will fill their spot in
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: that one. And I guess I've never actually thought to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: ask if the sheets are being replaced in there. I've
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: always just kind of assumed. I've never really been one
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: to care, so maybe it doesn't really affect me too much.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: But every time I went to bed, my bed was made,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: my clothes were I think we're folded on top of
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: my bed. Um. It's it's basically like a hotel, you know,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: like a hotel outside on the beach. Yeah, okay, okay, well,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: it's interesting. Yeah, I wonder you would think there would
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: be who knows. I mean there's always saying in the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: bed I hear. But uh, just to give a little picture,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Paradise isn't a bad place to be. You probably enjoy it,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: but it's not like luxurious, it's not. I mean, it's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: a nice resort. There are there's air conditioning in the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: boom boom rooms, which maybe adds the incentive to go
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: in there with the potential partner. But the rooms that
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: you sleep in by yourself or or you know, with
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: your fellow guys or girls. For them, it's unair conditioned.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: You're you know, it's it's humid, it's sweaty. You've got
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: like these kind of these it's you blank gets it's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: less than ideal, but it's it could be a lot worse.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Like it's not bad. It's not as nice as the van,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: is it. It's not the van sleeping can set up
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: is pretty uh pretty pretty nice. I gotta say that
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: you can join me one of these days. I would
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: like to know. I think I'm going to I think
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: we we we got to use the van at some point.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Um Jane writes in says there's a conversation between Wills
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: and Blake, and which Will's asks Blake if he admitted
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: to Caitlin being a mistake. In Blake's responses, I guess
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: hints that Blake did say it. Dean, what do you
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: think do you think that was a scene where Blake
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: was still just so caught up in what was going
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: on that he didn't know how to respond, or do
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: you think he really did say the Calyn was a mistake.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: That's hard to say. I could see it both ways.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I could see him hearing Calin say that he said that,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and then so he thinks that maybe he said it,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: but I also could see him actually saying it and
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: forgetting it. And then like, look, if if I woke
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: up after hooking up with someone and they leaned over
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and they said, wow, this is a mistake, I would
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: for sure remember that. If I woke up next to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: someone leaned over and I said, oh, this was a mistake,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I would probably forget that. So the point is saying it,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I would forget it. Hearing it, I would a percent
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: remember it. Yeah. Um, again, it's hard to take either
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: of these people at their word. Blake and Kalin, given
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: what we know and seeing what we've seen, but given
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: what I just kind of laid out, I would say
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: that it was said. Maybe not that she was a mistake,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: but maybe the hookup was a mistake. I remember, had
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: anybody tell you your mistake, Dean? Yes, just let you
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: know that you're not you, not one at all. That's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: really kind. I wish. I wish I would have screenshot
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: of those text messages and blasted them all over my
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: social when I saw it when I heard that, but
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: alas I did not. That would embarrass me if you
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: did that. Actually, are good for Nick Vvile just tweeted
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: something while we were in that commercial break. I was
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: going through Twitter, uh, and I just want to share
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: it real quick. Is that okay? That's fine, he says.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I haven't always loved my portrayal on TV. During that time,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I had text conversations that could have changed people's opinions
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: of my intentions. However, it could have potentially come at
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the price of others. I didn't share. I took my beating,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I moved on. I'm better for it. That's what Nick said,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: and I agree with it. I admire that. I think
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: that that's how it should be done. How do you
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: feel about it? I just think like all these people
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: publicly responding to this still is just different for me.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: I don't get. I don't I mean, I don't know.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I retweeted it is that Okay, that's fine, Okay, I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: mean I have a But then again, I sit here
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, why are these people publicly talking about
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: it I'm talking about on a podcast? I don't know.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of I inserted myself a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: little bit with my tweet yesterday, something along the lines
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: of a public figure shouldn't share a private tech conversation
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: and how it's a failed attempt to salvage his fragile ego.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of inserting myself into a situation that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I don't really belong in. I think that we just
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like we're, uh, we're we're kind of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: part of it in a sense, you know, like you
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: host this podcast, I was part of Bachelor in paradiseasan six. Yeah. Well,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I think that for the most part, Well, you significantly
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: more than me, are upstanding moral citizens, and just like
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: you see something that doesn't nessarily align with your morals,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: you kind of like want to speak out about it.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah. I mean I've done it right.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I've done it to political figures. I've done it to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: celebrities before, where I've said I disagree with things, I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I get it, I will, And then then again, I
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: sometimes do forget that this podcast is of I mean,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: our podcast has almost as many listeners as I do followers,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: So like I guess when I talk about on the podcast,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: I talked about it publicly. I just forget. This isn't
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: just like you and I talking and other people will
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: be joining in on this conversation. Speaking of that, Hey,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: if you're joining in on this conversation, I want know
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: who you are, Please tweet me or something like. I
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm talking to Dean and Ashley every week
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: in this room and it's great and it's fun. I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: just need more friends, so like, let me know that
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: we're friends, or just let me know that you hate me,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: but just let me know you're out there. Then I'm
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: your friends. I do have to say one thing. It
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: was brought to my attention by Tory, our producer, here
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: about the whole Nick tweet that I just read out loud.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: She writes on the note, didn't nicko public with sex
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: with Andy and it makes sense. He Yeah, yeah, he did,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: didn't he. I still agree with what he said. I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: was actually thinking about unretweeting it. It's like, it's like
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: what he's known for, isn't it. I'm gonna go. I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to hate on him here, but it's not
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: like he's She's not wrong, right, I agree with what
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: he said, but I do see the kind of irony
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: and the hypocrisy in that a little bit. Anyways, Yeah,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder if anybody else listeners will point that out,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Like I wonder if people like watching the tweets we
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: even remember I hadn't like, that's not where my mind went. Um,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: But Tori, as usual, you're the engine that makes this
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: thing move along with the rest of the team here
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: at I Heeart and the talking heads on the podcast
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: really have no clue what we're talking about. Hey, next
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: email says Chris B. This is an interesting one, and
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: it's kind of fun to talk about. Chris B. Seems
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: so much older than everyone else in Paradise, right. I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: mean that's what we assume, but he is the exact
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: same age as Derek, they say. I just feel like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: it should be put out there that that emails from Hillary.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Were you are you friends with Chris? Uh? He lives
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: in Denver. I've met him like on the street once,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: like we're at the same restaurant and so no, I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: don't know him at all, Like I have zero Like
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: we've talked at the restaurant probably fifteen minutes and moved on.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is crazy. He was on Emily Maynard season.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: We laugh and we joke and how old he is
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: and how many years he's been on the show and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: all this, but he is like the same. I mean,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know how old Derek is, but I bet
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: they're both younger. Hey, Torrid Daniel, can we get an
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: age on Chris b I bet he's younger than Nick.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think thirty two. Yeah, I mean
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: thirty two is what who else is thirty two that
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: we could compare him to on the show. Derek is
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: definitely thirty two. So Christie is thirty two years old.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: So when he did the show, he was twenty five,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: which was how old I did I was. It's just
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: been such a long time since he did it last
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: that it feels like he might be older. Yeah, Like
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: he's not even maybe the oldest guy in Paradise. I
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: don't think Chris is thirty two as well, that's wild.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Kris Pukowski is thirty two. Yeah, I mean there's a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: lot of guys in their thirties that are doing this show.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I mean you have Nick, and you have Chris, Souls
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: and you have Ari. I mean those are some past
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: bachelors that I can point out that are older than that.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Um Clay is thirty. Yeah, it's weird. There's a bunch
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: of thirty year olds down there on the beach this year. Yeah,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he belongs thirty two and you belong as
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: is thirty four. So she she is the the oldest
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: person in UM in Paradise, older than Chris Pukowski. Wow. Crazy? Hey, Uh, okay,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: let's do one more here. Um. Actually, they're all about
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Blake and I'm kind of done. I'm done with this conversation.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: I think we've we've hard done enough. I think the
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: summary to all of this is, uh, you know, the
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: truth is, there's two sides every story. Uh. We have
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: to stay curious as friends, family listeners in life. I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: think so that we we don't jump to assumptions. But sharing,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: I think we're coming on this podcast. What Dean is
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: saying is sharing text at any level, at any moment
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: that are personal seems like a huge step over the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: kind of the the unspoken rule of privacy, and it's
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: just completely invasive. That's what you're saying, Dean. What I'm
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: saying is I don't want to watch anymore again. Like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: I don't watch Paradise to see this kind of stuff.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I watch Paradise to see J. P J. Puking on
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: a beach over James Taco. Like that's what I watch.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to see more of that.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: I want to see more James Taco making J p J. Puke.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. That's actually my listener email this
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: week to the almost famous podcast from Ben. Why don't
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: we get to see more of this kind of stuff? Dean? Hey,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: you're great as always. I love you, buddy. I cannot
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: wait to watch you Imparadise. I hope um this love
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: story plays out for you. I hope there is an
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: amazing future Um that you are now um pursuing post
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: show and uh hey for next week. We wish all
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: these cast members the best of luck. We're rooting for
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: the Hannah and Dylans of the world. We're rooting for
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: the Demi, and Derek's rooting for the Cam and Kalin's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: who who with that? Dean follow my lead here, Buddy,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I've been been, I've been. Actually, no, you haven't been.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Dean later. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous
• 1:14:51
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• 1:14:54
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