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Was Covid-19 a Mass Mind Control Operation? — Cathy O’Brien Interview (CIA MK Ultra Survivor) · Man in America Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. In 1995, President Bill Clinton apologized to the survivors and families of those who'd been unknowingly subjects of government sponsored experiments. He made his remarks ahead of a after a trove of documents detailing these experiments was declassified. In a televised address, he said, quote, thousands of government sponsored experiments did take place in hospitals, universities, and military bases around our nation.
• 0:37
  In too many cases, informed consent was withheld. Americans were kept in the dark about the effects of what was being done to them. The deception extended beyond the test subjects themselves to encompass their families and the American people as a whole, for these experiments were kept secret, end quote. So at the time, President Clinton basically promised the American people that this would never be allowed to happen again. But according to my guest today, these sinister experiments have now developed into sophisticated sophisticated mind control programs that are being deployed on the masses, including you and I.
• 1:16
  So it's with great honor that I welcome Kathy O'Brien on my show today, a survivor of the CIA run MKULTRA mind control operation. And she'll explain to us based on her own real world experience, why she believes the entire COVID response was actually a mass mind control campaign. But before we get started, today's show is brought to you by Rise TV, a patriot owned streaming platform. So over at Rise, our mission is to uncover the truth no matter how dark and difficult while always holding on to hope. We have a massive content library and an amazing community of patriots.
• 1:52
  And also, we're now showing Kathy's incredible new documentary Trance on Rise TV. So I hope you can go check it out after the show. There's a link for a free trial in the description below the video. Also, make sure you're following me on telegram and truth social at man in America. You can also catch every episode as a podcast if you just want to listen.
• 2:14
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• 2:33
  And folks, by now, we've all sensed that we're in for a bumpy ride for the foreseeable future. Much of the world is going through a process that the experts are calling de dollarization. And China and Russia are leading the charge. So what's this mean? Well, the US dollar is a fiat currency, meaning it isn't backed by anything of real value.
• 2:51
  The only thing that gives our dollars any value is its demand around the world. But now, and especially under the corrupt and incompetent Biden regime, the rest of the world is pretty much fed up with the Federal Reserve printing money out of thin air into many of the trade things for real value. So though the dollar is strong right now, it's only because people are fleeing the European currencies, and its strength is short lived. This is why Russia has already backed its currency with gold and many other nations are expected to follow. But what happens if the dollar loses its global reserve status?
• 3:21
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• 5:35
  So be sure to use the promo code Seth for your free title scan at hometitlelock.com/ Seth, promo code Seth. Alright, folks. I am very excited for this interview. I actually interviewed Kathy O'Brien yesterday. I'm so excited to share it with you because of scheduling.
• 5:53
  Now there's a few things I want to talk to you about ahead of time. One is that we did have some few issues with her Internet. So I apologize the video is a little choppy in some places, but it's still such a golden interview. The other thing is obviously we won't be having a q and a, but there is a portion of the discussion which I felt was a little too sensitive for the public that we're only going to be having for the second half of the show that's on Rise TV only. So if you want to check out Kathy's new documentary Trance, and if you want to catch the second half of the interview today, make sure you go to Rise TV.
• 6:21
  And again, there's a link for a free in the description below for a free trial to Rise TV. So I'm going go ahead and start this with an introduction. You know, she'll show some of her documentary that introduces her and her background and gives you a little bit of an idea that who she is, and then we'll dive right into the interview. So please enjoy folks. It's a little bit of a heavy topic, but there's still a lot of hope that you'll find in it.
• 6:45
  Thank you so much. Enjoy.
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: It was so hard to come running out of a hell that nobody believed existed. My name is Kathy O'Brien and I'm a survivor of MK Ultra Mind Control. The MK Ultra program was to ultimately control the minds of the population for implementing what Adolf Hitler first termed the New World Order. I'm so fortunate that an intelligence insider who saw the kind of corruption that was going on in the highest levels of government decided to take action and rescued me and saved my life so that we could begin to expose what was being done.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: Kathy, thank you. Not thank you not only for joining me today, but thank you for everything that you're doing. You have such an incredible story. And I'm really excited to hear this story from you.
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much for this opportunity. It's always nice to have voice right now while people are waking up and looking around and wondering what in the world is going on. I've been talking about it for over thirty years. It's been going on my whole life. So it's not new to me.
• 8:28
  But what is new to me is seeing people wake up and starting to question what is going on. And so this is a wonderful opportunity. Thank you.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. You know, it's interesting because I grew up in countryside of Ohio, Midwest, and grew up in a, you know, simple Christian home. Life was, you know, very American. It was very simple and beautiful and innocent. And I didn't really have much of an understanding or grasp of the amount of evil that existed in the world, which is, I think, a good thing for a child to not understand that.
• 9:03
  And it wasn't until a chance encounter in my college years where I met someone that actually had come out of a Chinese labor camp that I had first really understood about the evil that existed in communist countries. And that really set me on this path of really wanting to understand communism and the Chinese Communist Party and expose the horrors of communism, you know, which they're still doing, you know, forced organ harvesting, you know, psychological abuse, you know, cannibalism. There's there's all kinds of terrible, atrocious things that are happening in communist countries. But it was hard for me, and I wouldn't have been able to at first to understand that maybe my government in America, the land of the free, home of the brave, could also in some way be involved in these types of evil acts. But my research led me to a lot of different places, but also to you and to your story.
• 9:53
  And what you've revealed is was shocking. Your story was shocking to say the least. You know, we will get into that. And I want to just ask for those of you that are watching this interview, you know, some of this information might you may have heard about it, but some of it might be new to you. But just try to enter into this with a very open mind and remind yourself that two or three years ago, if I would have told you that the entire world was gonna shut down over a over a fake pandemic and be forcing vaccines and, you know, forcing masks and everything, you probably wouldn't have believed me.
• 10:26
  And so just, you know, remind yourself that if you feel yourself like, oh, this doesn't sound right, and not just this interview, but anything that remind yourself that what we've been through, what we've gotten to with this, because it's important that we look at things with an open heart and open mind. And the one thing that I'll say before I let you talk, Kathy, is that when I've watched you speak, I feel your heart come through. And to me, that's what speaks the truest. And so that's what and also, as a someone is oftentimes investigating and trying to wade through propaganda, I really try to listen to my heart when I'm watching someone speak or reading information. And my heart usually helps me find what's true.
• 11:05
  So saying that, you know, Kathy, can you just go ahead and just walk us through your story? Walk us through, you know, your early years and just what happened and how your life changed and what happened with you.
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, knowledge is our defense against mind control. And when we realize that this has been going on for a long, long time, and we hear about things from back in the Korean War, and we hear about Nazi Germany and all like that. But it's still difficult for us to wrap our minds around reality that we share this planet with some very dark force energy people that are not like us, and they do not like us. It's hard to understand why anyone would want power over another person. And they use mind control as a means of ushering in like the great reset that we're seeing right now.
• 12:12
  This globalism, this globalist agenda where a handful of big guys make all the money, and we do all the work. And it's a very difficult situation. The knowledge that is our defense against mind control has been suppressed very deliberately under national security. Because after World War II, the Nazi and fascist scientists were imported into The US under Project Paperclip. And with them came the formula for MKUltra Mind Control.
• 12:44
  That knowledge was kept from the public while the CIA became actively involved in using it on children, especially who had been sexually abused. Trauma is a basis of mind control. And there's no trauma more horrific than the sexual abuse of a child prior to age five while their brain is still forming. So, I had been born
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had been born in a multi generational incest based family, and my father was sexually abusing me from infancy. And even though I couldn't think to know what he was doing was wrong, my brain, because we have this amazing defense mechanism within our brains when we understand our mind brain function. And so we have so much within us so much resiliency and capability. But we also have this defense mechanism where the neuron pathways of the brain actually shut down around trauma. So the rest of the mind can function normally.
• 13:50
  That is sometimes referred to as repressed memory, or when people in like in their 30s start remembering that childhood abuse, you know, it's because of the way our brains work. And this safety mechanism that we have in our brain. And even though I couldn't think to know what my father was doing to me was wrong, my brain knew shut those neuron pathways down, and tried to protect me that way. Well, in that process of trauma after trauma and the neuron pathways shutting down, it creates a heightened suggestibility. That's why trauma is used for mind control, because it actually does affects those neuron pathways in our brain.
• 14:31
  It's like our brains freeze in fear. And then we're easily led and manipulated at times like that. We're highly suggestible. And so then we follow authority, whatever they tell us to do. And there was a handful of power mongers, people who really aren't like us at all, that wanted to manipulate the whole planet using this formula for mind control.
• 14:56
  So, the sexual abuse I was experiencing, I was highly suggestible. My father was using me in child pornography. So I had compartments for that. He was trafficking me. And this was back in like 1960.
• 15:10
  We're talking real early on. He was trafficking me. So I had compartments for that. And in the meantime, he was So
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: say compartment in your mind? What is that? What is that like? What is a compartment that you have? What is the compartment for the child pornography, for instance?
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like the neuro pathways shut down. And then when my father would come in to sexually abuse me again, the part of me that knew how to deal with it, that part of my brain would open up trigger open to deal with it again and again as needed. And then when it was child pornography, the part of me that dealt with that, that part of my brain used to be called multiple personalities. But that's a misnomer because it's a shattered personality. It's more of a compartmentalization.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: So that's the brain deals with trauma, right? So that you experience such intense trauma that all your brain can do is to may pull your consciousness in this little small area, the safe space of your brain to learn how to deal with that, right?
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Yes. And then there's no continuity between because there's actually no brain firing happening between that compartmentalization. And so there was a faction of the government, the CIA, that thought what better place to hide government secrets than in the mind of someone who can't think to bring those to mind, unless it's triggered open. So that's how mind control works. And it's a very scientific, very deliberate formula that capitalizes on our brains natural responses to trauma.
• 16:54
  And this manipulation was so strong through the CIA, they had taken what the would have been brought in by the Nazi and fascist scientists and combined it with what the Catholics had long since learned about the effects of trauma in the human mind through the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades and all like that, and made a very powerful form of mind control. And this secrecy, this secret was being discussed like at my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge, where secrecy is the whole point of this lodge. And there were politicians within that lodge, a lot of local politicians. And one of the local politicians approached my father and told him he could receive immunity from prosecution. He'd been caught sending that child pornography through the mail.
• 17:48
  He could receive immunity from prosecution if he would sell me into the CIA's MK Ultraman Control Project. My father thought it was a great idea. And look at this, this is this is back in the early, early 60s. And we're already seeing how our courts are being manipulated to allow for the proliferation of pedophilia. Because again, sexual abuse of a child, the sexualization of children is the most powerful form of mind control.
• 18:18
  So the whole pedophile agenda we see going on in society that's being promoted in our schools, all this transgender sexualization, so called gender confusion, is all a mind control project. It's what it's all about, is to create a more compliant society that will do as they're told for the slave society agenda that's being ushered in under guise of what Adolf Hitler, George Bush, and now Joe Biden term, the New World Order, or the Great Reset, or whatever term they want to apply to it. It's just where you follow the money and it goes to the same handful of big guys that think we're all onto that these days. So
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: basically, if I'm understanding it correctly, your dad in exchange for immunity sold you into this. Basically, he sold you to the CIA for their MK Ultra. And I've also and I've researched this and for folks well, for one, I I can't imagine, as I told you, I grew up in a very simple, you know, wonderful home. The fact that you can be here and smiling at me is just incredible for what you've been through. I I can't imagine.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Okay. You are in a good home, and that's just so beautiful to me to hear you say that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, for the viewers that are watching, you know, MK Ultra, maybe you've heard whispers of it, you've heard it mentioned, you know, I went through and looked up and you can actually find declassified CIA documents, declassified meetings where the CIA is being questioned about this. You know, it's not a a fiction. There's not something that just is made up. This is a real program. And so if I understand what you're telling me, that a lot of the site, the research coming out of Nazi Germany, where we know that Hitler and Mengele, they did a lot of experimentation on people, and they were they were obsessed with, you know, mind control and you know, how to break a human being down and everything that's you know, it's not just them.
• 20:23
  It's you see the same principles in communist China and in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge, etcetera. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: It's global.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: A lot of that the research, through Operation Paperclip, which again, is another CIA, you know, operation, you can look up and find declassified documents about Operation Paperclip. That information came into our government and became a foundation of this mind control. So are you saying that the CIA actually had a mind control program where they were making mind control slaves and that you were one of the people that got brought into that meets. So what did they actually do to you? How did that how did that work?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Well, a mind control is a sliding scale from the kind of robotic mind control that I was conditioned for, and programmed for, to information control, because we all formulate our thoughts, opinions and actions based on what we know. And I think we all know our knowledge base has been severely altered. And we're being lied to through controlled media every day. And it's not that they even care that we catch them in their lives. Because the media is the voice of this globalist agenda to manipulate the minds of the public, especially when trauma occurs, especially when we all experience a trauma like we did with the, you know, so called pandemic when mind control masked as a virus was unleashed on a global scale was for the purposes of this financial global reset.
• 22:01
  I don't understand how much greed and power someone needs, but they don't think like us. Like I said, they aren't like us. And I got a good view into this government operation and what they planned on doing on a mass scale, while I was deep in the swamp among these perpetrators of the New World Order, because the politician that granted my father immunity from prosecution was just a local politician at the time. But he went on to become the unelected president of The United States, and that was Gerald Ford. And Gerald Ford also was head of the Warren Commission that supposedly investigated the Kennedy assassination.
• 22:43
  And it was at that time that our country lost much of its freedom. It was in that wake of that national trauma, traumat, everybody knows where they were and what they were doing when Kennedy was assassinated. And even as I say it, old and those of us old enough to remember, we all get the image of the bullet and because the media showed us over and over the repetitious traumatic programming of that. Same way as when we say nine 11, everybody sees the plane flying into the Twin Towers, you know, it's because of the repetition and what the media was doing at the time. And then they use, they give us, you know, orders, or that's where we lose our freedoms.
• 23:29
  That's when this globalist agenda started taking over. And I refer back to the Kennedy assassination because Gerald Ford's involvement in implementing this new world order was very, very strong. Now we need to do is look into his cabinet to see that we've got the same handful of people over and over and over again. In Ford's cabinet was Henry Kissinger, Nelson Rockefeller, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Jack Valeni, who was head of the Motion Picture Association of America, the one, the big wig in Hollywood who decided what we get to see on our TVs. You know, so we're seeing how easily the media is brought into the fold on this so that it can be the voice of this.
• 24:23
  This mind control agenda is really what it's all about. Because they know that people are not going to cooperate with this dark agenda that's being forced on the global population from the sexualization of our children, to their funding mechanism of drug and human trafficking across open borders. They've been doing that my whole life. I know I was trafficked. And I was used in CIA drug ops programmed to robotically carry out their operations.
• 24:58
  I know that's their funding mechanism. It's why when we were all sheltering at home for mind control mass disease virus, the first thing that happened when elections were stolen 2020 is the borders were flung back open to the drug and human trafficking that we see going on so strong right now. So there's just a few cute, very key things that we all need to recognize. And it will give us deep insight into what in the world is going on these days, and how mind control is being used. And because of my personal experience in MKUltra mind control, the first thirty years of my life were completely controlled by outside forces.
• 25:46
  I did exactly what I was told to do. I couldn't think to do anything else. I was tortured out of my mind, and programmed very systematically, very scientifically and very deliberately on various military, and NASA and DARPA installations all across The US. So my experience in MKUltra Mind Control was one that put me into the swamp in Washington DC, where I was right among these perpetrators. And just as everyone knows, you know, gets that same image of the airplane or whatever, flying into the towers or the Kennedy assassination, the our brains record events surrounding trauma.
• 26:43
  They photographically record those events. And that's why that comes to mind so strong for us. Well, my brain was photographically recording events around the trauma. And it wasn't until later years, when an intelligence insider rescued me directly out of the swamp and handed me keys to my own mind, that I was able to write out in photographic detail what exactly I had experienced in MK Alter Mind Control, and what I witnessed and heard around me, the discussions going on for this new world order plan, it's actually released in my 1995 testimony for Congress, transformation of America, which was censored under national security, because it had been validated by clean members of law enforcement and intelligence, US customs and all, every bit of it's validated. So, security was invoked on it.
• 27:47
  But in there, it outlines exactly what we're experiencing today. The truth has always been out there around us. It's just we have been kept from it. We have been, truth has been censored for so long, because knowledge is our defense against mind control. And once we understand that, and realize that after what I experienced and my torturous MK Ultra, my control from birth experience, I healed from that.
• 28:21
  I regained my free thought, free will, soul expression. I gained my strength, the spirit where I can live the love that I am and bring this truth to life. And if I can heal and reclaim my free thought, we all can, every one of us can reclaim our own personal power and stop complying with this dark agenda. Stop complying with this handful of the same old perpetrators that have been behind the scene manipulating our government and selling us out into this new world order agenda for a long, long time. Our constitutional values have been eroding for decades.
• 29:07
  And the injustice, the gross injustice that we're seeing now has been in place for a while. It's certainly been that way my whole life. I've never dreamed I would see conventional justice through the courts. But I always hoped that I would see the ultimate justice of positive change through public awareness, as people woke up to face the reality that we share this planet with some very horrible criminal power mongers.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, we absolutely do.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: They only have as much power as we give them. We just need to stop giving them the power and stop complying.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, Kathy, in understanding the the process of turning someone into someone that can then control their minds, and just, you know, keep in mind that I want to be sensitive. If there's anything that's difficult for you to talk about, then just tell me that, oh, let's not go there. You know, I will be really mindful of that because I've had my own experience of, you know, the hard times that it's like, I can't talk about that right now. But for the audience that's watching and and understanding this, when you were brought into these these programs, you know, whether it's you say on DARPA installations, military installations, you know, you talk about being tortured. And what was what was that like?
• 30:30
  What are some of the things that that they did? I mean, how did that work? Because it's, it's almost it's difficult for even myself or other folks that are watching to even picture that. And so if you can kind of paint that picture a little bit for us, help us understand what was going on there.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, there's different levels to mind control, and there's different components to MK Ultra Mind Control. And it's very important to be able to understand all of those. Repetition is one of the most basic form of mind control that there is, so that when we experience trauma, we hear the same narrative over and over and over and over again from every angle, every place we go. And that repetition is a form of programming that I think everybody can relate to, especially after mind control masks as a virus was imposed, because we were all told to social distance, mask up, get the injection, we go to the grocery store, same thing over the intercom system, you know. It was we're constantly bombarded with the same narrative.
• 31:38
  So repetition is one aspect once we experience trauma that manipulates our mind. Also, Neuro Linguistic Programming, NLP, the language of the subconscious is something that we need to be aware of. After my father sold me into MK Ultra Mind Control, he was flown to Boston, Massachusetts, where he was trained by Cardinal Law, the same Cardinal Law of the infamous Catholic child abuse scandal that was exposed a few years back, because they were sanctioning pedophilia because the Catholic church wanted to be the one world church in the New World Order. So they were very much a part of the pedophile agenda. And Cardinal Law was right there at the top.
• 32:22
  And even back then, he was training people like my father how to raise me in MK Ultra Mind Control, and how to manipulate my mind using the language of the subconscious. And after that, my father would say things to me like, you earn your keep, and I'll keep what you earn. You know, he would just do the reversals, because satanic reversals, the violence and peace, you know, we all saw, you know, when while our cities were burning, and they're saying, Oh, it's a peaceful protest, we knew better. But the constant, you know, barrage of repetition has its effect. And my father started taking me to the Catholic church that was heavily involved in MK Ultra in Muskegon, Michigan.
• 33:15
  And there I experienced satanic reversal of the Catholic mass, the occultism, which is very traumatic, blood traumas are very traumatic on the human mind. And the physical tortures that I experienced went beyond just the extreme sexual assault that I experienced from infancy into horrific tortures using like high voltage stun guns and all. And that was like in some of the later years where that would be used. And also, any kind of trauma, I mean, seeing an animal abused is very traumatic on a child, to the point where while I was growing up, people who abuse the children abuse the animals and vice versa. So, no regard for life at all.
• 34:19
  So, when we see animals being abused, we need to look at the children. And when we see children being abused, we need to look at the animals and realize this is being used as a horrific trauma base on the children. And so I was always wanting to protect the animals. And really, the kind of conditioning that I experienced was so horrific that I didn't know there was any place in the world where good people existed. And I remember when I was losing my free thought completely, like around age five or whatever the last thought I had was I wish there was some place in the world where people didn't hurt each other.
• 35:07
  So, that was like the physical pain was probably, I mean, it was an extreme, but the brain can only perceive so much physical pain and so much torture. But the traumatic aspects were when I had a daughter that was raised in the project, and knowing she was abused, I couldn't think to protect her any more than I could think to protect myself. I had no survival instinct anymore. I could only do exactly what I was told to do. And knowing on any level at all that that was happening to her was the most traumatic, torturous, horrific thing that I ever experienced.
• 35:55
  So that was probably the most strong means of control over me. And of course, my daughter being born right into the project was born right into the human trafficking, and right in on a White House Pentagon level. So, she was horribly abused as well. The kind of abuse that these people can inflict is beyond our comprehension, beyond our scope, it's beyond anything. When I first started speaking out, people didn't want to believe what I was saying.
• 36:32
  This was like in the early 90s, when I was trying to help my daughter, and was trying to raise awareness in order to get help for her. That's how I became a whistleblower. How Mark and I became whistleblowers is trying to help her. So it was love for her that compelled me to speak out. And still people didn't want to hear it.
• 36:51
  Come running out of this house, nobody wants to believe exists. And it's like, who wants to believe that exists? It was so horrific to me that my brain just shattered over it. You know, I mean, I dissociated completely from it. So, to me, the fact that people didn't want to believe it was like, you know, touching.
• 37:13
  It was like, wow, good people are in this world. They don't even want to know that this happened. And I hear from people even today that say, I heard you speak thirty years ago, and I didn't, I didn't believe a word you said, I wish I had. And I say, I wish you had too, because then maybe right now we wouldn't be experiencing this, this horrible agenda being imposed on us all. Maybe we all kind of, you know, joined together and stopped it before.
• 37:44
  But the knowledge was being suppressed, and people didn't want to believe. And now, people have no choice to believe. It's in everybody's space. It's in everybody's life. It's in their own backyard.
• 37:56
  Everybody's affected these days. If they're not affected by the traumas, the constant barrage of trauma after trauma being inflicted, in order to control the minds of the masses, then they're experiencing the financial devastation being imposed on us because financial control is a component of MKUltra mind control. And it's one that's being imposed on everyone right now. So, you know, we need to understand that as we're beginning to experiencing all this and waking up and saying, what in the world is going on? It might look brand new to people as their eyes open to the reality of it.
• 38:41
  But the fact is, it's been going on my whole life. People woke up massively by 2016 enough to override the rigged algorithms of the electronic voting machines by sheer numbers, and put in a president that cared about America and our sovereignty instead of this New World Order agenda. And it was, at that time, I think a lot of people gained insight into the reality that there's a criminal faction within our government, and it's very big now. It's gone on so long. Our justice system has been eroded.
• 39:20
  And our information has been controlled through censorship, through controlled media for a long, long time. Our knowledge base has been altered. And above all, that drug and human trafficking across open borders has been funding this dark agenda for a long, long time. So, people were so awake then, that even with mind control mast as a virus, which was like they're a last ditch effort, once these perpetrators lost their control, because Hillary Clinton, it's in my 1995 testimony, Transformation of America, that Hillary Clinton was supposed to usher in the New World Order. It didn't happen.
• 40:03
  And when it didn't happen, they freaked out. They went all in with mind control mast as a virus. And they've been tipping their hand and showing us the plan ever since. It's not that they intended for us to all see what's going on. It's their frantic desperation to maintain any semblance of control over the population.
• 40:25
  And they're losing that control more and more every day. When we understand
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: So that that's a really, really important message, actually, is because when you when you look around, you look at the state of our country, it feels like, gosh, this is going according to their plan. But it looks like they're taking more and more control. But there are ways that I'm seeing it, and I wanna hear more on your perspective that they're losing control and they're frantic. Because if we watch their different actions, you're seeing it unfold that they're having to take these almost sloppy actions to cover things up and people it's not stopping. So, you know, when you say that they're losing control, and that they're, you know, that they're great reset, their efforts of the New World Order are failing, what are some of the strong indicators that you see that tell you that?
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Well, there's different things that are used to gauge the response of the people, including like, for example, the last booster injection that big pharma, big pharma, follow the money, they are right at the top of this, That big pharma was imposing, and people didn't buy into it. The percentage of the global population is so minuscule that they realized they've lost control through the trauma of mind control mast as a virus, and that they were going to have to go to something else, which is why they've gone to the financial control aspect right now. And we're seeing the destruction of America's financial stability on every front, from you know, raising taxes to the exorbitant prices that we're having to pay for everything that is just, it's devastating, financially devastating to everyone right now. And that is just an effort to regain control of people. Because if they can control people by money, like through the digital currency and all, they can monitor what or they can decide what we do and how if we get out of line at all, they cut off their money, which cuts off our food, which cuts off our shelter, which cuts off our ability to provide for families and protect our children.
• 42:57
  And, you know, so that's, that's the effort they're going to right now. And even that isn't unfolding the way that they had planned. It's not unfolding smoothly. I don't all I hear is people everywhere having heard the slip of the tongue that we will have nothing and be happy. Think people are onto the fact that that is a major part of the plan.
• 43:21
  And they're like, why should I cooperate with that? Don't.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Stop cooperating. Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And so, Kathy, you describe the pandemic as mind control disguised as a virus, and that's a really interesting way of looking at it. So I've interviewed folks like Mickey Willis, you know, right, who was behind the Pandemic movie. And from from a lot of angles, you know, as you unpack the motives behind the the coronavirus pandemic, you can say, okay, well, it collapsed the the small businesses. It destroyed the middle class. There's it brought in new new medical tyranny.
• 44:00
  Everyone got the know, some people had to get the vaccine to keep their jobs, etcetera. And so there's a lot of, you know, a week in the military. Right? People that left the military that refused the jab and those that stayed in got the jab. And so there's a lot of ways of looking at it to understand, okay, what were their intentions?
• 44:16
  But what I'm gathering from you, especially with your history of understanding how mind control works, is that you're looking at this pandemic and the virus through an entire different lens. And am I correct to understand that you're looking at it and seeing that everything that they've done with with the pandemic was part of an MK Ultra mass scale program to condition people to blindly follow authority and basically to submit themselves to mind control. Is that am I correct in that?
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And there are so many people who masked up that never would have and they had to in order to keep their jobs or, or to take the injection. They're so ashamed that they did that it, has weakened their own resolve and belief in themselves. So, it's true to erode people's belief in themselves so that they have to look to something else to lead them. And that was an ultimate goal on that.
• 45:14
  And I say it was masked as a virus because masks are used in MK Ultra Mind Control. My daughter was trafficked in a mask. And it's a very common thing because when you put a mask on someone, it depersonalizes them. We can't recognize each other. You can't see if somebody's smiling or sneering.
• 45:36
  You don't know what's behind that mask. And worse, it makes us feel like we don't have a voice, because we can't hear each other through those masks, especially from six feet away. And then it inhibits oxygen to the brain necessary for critical analysis free thought. And if that oxygen is inhibited in the brain of children prior to age five, while their brain is still forming, that's why there's such a move towards masking up the littlest, littlest youngest ones, is because it causes compliance that it makes their brain not develop properly, and it makes them more compliant and easily led into this slave society agenda. So just the masculinity.
• 46:24
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• 46:26
  Speaker 1: friend of mine works in childcare. And I was just talking to her the other day, and she was saying that these, you know, third, fourth and fifth graders, they're not like the children that she was working with a couple of years ago. They're repressed, they're depressed looking, they're aggressive. They're completely different. And, you know, my my daughter, she was born amidst the pandemic.
• 46:46
  So she's only just turned two years old. And she's just on the opposite side of the spectrum. She spends her out her days outside chasing our chickens around and, you know, throwing sticks. Yeah. That's that's her way of, you know, growing up.
• 46:58
  I never allow her to be masked. But I feel I feel so bad for all the children that had to go through And that had parents that just trusted the CDC and just, you know, shove their kid into school and didn't fight back like it was their duty to protect their kids from harm. But something that does encourage me, you mentioned this towards the beginning of the interview, is that if you can go through this, like I would imagine that what you've been through is a million times worse than what, you know, than wearing a mask in school or then, you know, seeing the COVID death numbers flashing on CNN every day, all the different tactics that they've used. So if you can walk through this and be this wonderful woman that's smiling, that has faith in the future, that has faith in the good of humanity, I would I would certainly believe that mankind as a whole and the goodness of mankind can emerge. So how, through your own experience in escaping this darkness, how can people that are realizing this is what's happened, how can they escape the darkness?
• 48:06
  How can they help their children escape that darkness?
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Well, when intelligence insider Mark Phillips, he was working the highest levels of Intel nine sciences. And that he was a spook, which means he could be CIA, FBI, Secret Service, he'd wear whatever hat he needed to, to be wherever he needed to. He had an extremely high clearance and access to a lot of information. He also saw children being brought in and out of the White House, and he was outraged. He was outraged to see.
• 48:44
  And his determination, his whole goal in life was just to preserve the sanctity of free thought, because he knew like I knew from my experience that without free thought, there's no free will. And without free will, there's no soul expression. Battle for the soul of the nation takes on a whole new concept when we understand the effects of mind control in a population, not having soul expression. Without soul expression, there's no strength in human spirit to stand for the things that you believe in. And Mark was seeing the erosion of freedom across the country very deliberately through the controlled media.
• 49:26
  And he wanted to get the information out to the people on mind brain function, so that they could again remember that we have been born with this amazing resiliency to heal from any level of trauma, to resist any level of mind control, that knowledge is our defense against mind control. And he needed that information back to the people. It was suppressed under a blanket of national security. When he found that out, he decided to take action and do something about it. He couldn't release the information because he was bound by laws of sedition, because he was in intelligence.
• 50:06
  So, rescued my daughter and me right out of the swamp in 1988. In 1988, he took on the whole deep state shadow government, new world order, cabal, whatever we want to call them, this dark energy force, he took them on and rescued us out of there and handed me keys to my own mind. That he, we all have a right to know and to know because it's within us all to heal. And he didn't heal me. He is not the one who deprogrammed me.
• 50:39
  He reminded me how to heal myself by handing me the keys. He handed me a pen. And he said, the pen is my dear than a sword. Write out your memory. And my mind was flashing with events from the past.
• 50:56
  Was just intruding on my mind. And he said, make note of what you're seeing, and then write it out. And what that did is by the very act of moving a pen uses the logic part of the brain, that critical analysis part of our brain, it's an important brain function to move a pen. So, I shifted the emotionally incomprehensible that was compartmentalized over here, shifted it over to logic, where it could be written out right in front of me and consciously seen. So I'm healing on so many levels at once, opening neuron pathways in my brain, writing it out, critically analyzing information, seeing it in front of me, consciously dealing with the reality of what I experienced, regaining free thought in that process because those neuron pathways are opening up.
• 51:54
  And that very active movement of pen is so important that we've got to get it back into our school systems. That's how we help our children. That's what we need to do to keep their critical analysis, get that back into play, open the neuron pathways back up, reclaim their free thought, so they can retain their free thought moving forward. But that moving a pen is a very important part. Mark also told me, voice no negatives without a solution.
• 52:27
  Well, all I knew was what I had experienced. He didn't let me just sit around and complain about it, because that would have just reinforced it further, verbalizing like that reinforces. So I didn't want to just talk about it. And I had to think in terms of a solution that forced my brain to think in ways that I hadn't in thirty years, I had no free thought on my own. And now I was having to think forward, not only think forward, but to think of a solution.
• 52:56
  So my brain started firing in all these new ways, opening neuron pathways in my brain, so that I could think freely for myself, so that I could think in terms of solution, rise above the storm, so to speak, so that I got a clear view of how to proceed forward. And I learned then that love is the most powerful force in the universe. And these perpetrators who had been manipulating me, and who are manipulating us all feed off of fear and negativity. Not only are they the basis of mind control, but that's their energy. That's their energy source.
• 53:38
  They love hatred. They want to divide us all just like they divided my mind. Because if I had no, no inner communication in my own brain, I was easily led. Same with a nation. Same with the globe.
• 53:53
  If we're all divided, we're easily led, we need to unite in our common bond of strength of spirit, and free thought is the way in. That's what we need to reclaim above all, and understand the knowledge that is our defense against mind control. So, everyone everywhere, pick up a pen, write out your trauma, write out what the immobilizing negativity is that you're experiencing, why you're not taking a stand, what are you afraid of, and then write a solution. Because when you write the solution, you're forcing your brain to think beyond the controlled narrative, you're forcing your brain to think beyond censorship, you're forcing your brain to think beyond the imposed traumas that are intended to keep us repressed and down, because negativity is totally immobilizing. So I'm not going to live in fear.
• 54:49
  I'm not going to live in that space anymore. Because as I started to heal, I fell so in love with Mark. I mean, he was my hero. He kept my daughter safe. He rescued us both.
• 55:01
  He cared about humanity. Animals loved him. He had pets that crawled all over him. And when those animals could trust him, I sensed that I could because I couldn't think to trust Mark when he rescued us. But I sensed it because I heightened senses like an animal, and I had that animal instinct.
• 55:22
  And I saw the animals loving on him. It was just, it was so beautiful. So he was everything. And I was so in love with him. He didn't want to have anything to do with me.
• 55:33
  He said, You have to heal first. You have to know who you are in order to have anything to give in a relationship. And so that was huge motivation to heal. And so I was healing as fast as I could. And then I had to find out who I am.
• 55:49
  And I couldn't base that on what other people thought of me because I'd only experienced that my whole, the whole first thirty years of my life. And that's not, I am not who they tortured me to be. So, I found myself within myself at the base core energy of my being. And that energy is love. And that energy is who I am.
• 56:18
  So, when I realized that, you know, people would tell me, well, you have to love yourself. I couldn't love myself after what I had been forced to do under mind control. But Mark told me, he said, you're not responsible for what you were tortured and programmed to do under mind control. But now that you're aware, you are responsible for every act you make going forward. You are responsible for every thought, for every breath you take.
• 56:49
  Wow, that was so cool. You know, people act like responsibility is some big heavy burden. It's a freedom. It's an ability respond to what's going on. And so that responsibility is just like, woah, so I'm responsible now.
• 57:05
  I'm going to live the love I am. I choose to live love. And everything I do is out of love for my daughter, out of love for humanity, out of love for the children. It's not out of bitterness or hatred for my abusers. That's their energy.
• 57:21
  I'm not going to give them anymore. They're not getting any of that from me. They're not getting any hatred, any bitterness, any, no, no. My focus is love. I live the love I am.
• 57:32
  And that's when Mark and I fell in love. And that's when I knew who I was. I was 100% in who I am. Mark was 100% in who he is. And so then it was one hundred-one hundred relationship where it's all like going forward and living our life's purpose of raising awareness and letting people know, not only what in the world is going on with this New World Order agenda, but above all, that healing is possible for us all.
• 58:03
  We can all reclaim and retain our free thought going forward. This is evolutionary information. And at the same time, it's ancient, because it's within us. We were born with it all along. We have been blessed with this healing capability from the get go.
• 58:22
  And we just need to remember it. Big Pharma made us forget that we have an amazing immune system we've been blessed with. We forgot. We need to remember that. And stop following these leaders we didn't elect.
• 58:37
  Stop following their narrative, because it's, we need to find our answers within ourselves and start there. Reclaim our personal sovereignty. Then we can reclaim our national sovereignty. Then we can, we can make an impact. And it's on that level, when we reclaim our free thought, that we realize how much we've been divided by skin deep differences that really don't make, that really don't matter to anybody.
• 59:06
  And when we live love on that soul level, we have compassion again. The very first thing that goes with any level of mind control is compassion. And that's why we got so much snap judgment going on because people don't even stop to listen to each other anymore, have compassion. They're too busy asserting their narrative that's repeating their ad, you know, mask up, you know, whatever. We need to understand that.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I'll say that's such an important lesson and two big takeaways I get from you is one, don't give them our anger. Don't give them our hatred. Don't don't let them have the the the win of creating that negativity within us. But all but even more than that, is just have compassion, you have compassion for our fellow man, have compassion for those that are wronging us, you know, turn the other cheek, etc. It's I think it's a really, really important lesson.
• 1:00:10
  So Kathy, you know, you've spoken about your daughter. Is she is she still under their control? Or have you been able to get her out of that system? How's how's that going?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: She is free of that system. And she struggles very hard. But she's also aware that people are waking up. But like many survivors of horrific abuse, she struggles day to day, although she lives the love she is and is happy to be free. She never takes her freedom for granted anymore than I do.
• 1:00:48
  But she was hurt real bad in the system. Because once Mark had rescued us out, she was taken back into the system when she had a respiratory failure that resulted in hospitalization. And she wasn't responding to medication, but she was responding to psychological intervention and was therefore thrust into child protective services, The so called child protective services is something that I think people are becoming more and more aware of is a very dark agenda. I watched it put in place while I was under MK Ultra Mind Control, my owner in MK Ultra Mind Control, my self appointed owner, was US Senator Robert C. Byrd.
• 1:01:47
  And Senator Byrd was in office for over fifty years, head of appropriations, decided where our country's money was going. And he made sure that states were reliant on federal funding for the school system so that they could bring in common core global education. Senator Byrd was very evil in his agenda, and opened up an office in the FBI building to set up the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as a catch net operation for human trafficking, for child sex trafficking in particular. And that branched out into overseeing child protective services. So the most important thing as we're seeking to protect children is keep the FBI away from our kids, keep the FBI away from our state systems, and realize that the corruption that we're seeing in the FBI is just the tip of the iceberg.
• 1:02:49
  I could get carried away for a long time on the FBI because the FBI went in and testified against my daughter. They testified against and said there was no such thing as MK Ultra mind control, and that there was no such thing as human trafficking. They testified against my daughter. They're just absolutely horrific. So I had seen the system being set up while I was in the Washington DC swamp.
• 1:03:21
  I was acutely aware of how that system was structured. And as I had written it all out in photographic detail and already knew, and then my daughter was thrust in that system. And it was a nightmare from a second angle coming, coming around because I did all that. That's how I became, Mark and I became whistleblowers was trying to free her from that corrupted system. And we did that, we blew the whistle on that for years.
• 1:03:52
  Our journey through that system is detailed in Access Denied for Reasons of National Security, how we were able to navigate that system, the FBI and all their raids, and how we were able to do that. And ultimately, how my daughter was freed from that system, and she is free of it now. She was hurt so bad while she was in their custody, though, that the physical damage done is significant. So she's waiting for people to wake up. And her main focus would be that everyone becomes aware of what's going on within child protective services and protect those children, because they are trafficked right out of there.
• 1:04:41
  And they're abused further in there. And then oftentimes, that's the direction where they're returned back to abusers and taken away from any protective parent. So our justice system has a long way to go to clean up. And I think step number one, get the FBI out of there.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I think that the majority of people that have that understand what's happening in America have that same goal with the FBI, especially with, you know, the Mar A Lago Raid and them coming after Patriots, So, Kathy, there's some more questions I have for you, but these are a little more sensitive. I want to talk to you a little more about some of the things I saw in your documentary, adrenochrome, some of the human trafficking elements, satanic ritual abuse, but these are a little more sensitive. So I'd rather not have those in the public forum. So we're going to continue this conversation over on Rise TV, where, you know, the people over on Rise is, you know, we've we've covered a lot of stuff before and this is it's our area to have these conversations. So but I also want to draw attention to your website.
• 1:05:52
  So that's what you had given me for people, and I'll pull this up for you, which is trance-formation.com. So this is trance-formation.com. This is your website where people can just follow your work. You have a an ebook, PTSD Time to Heal, which people can can purchase that. And so just want to direct people there.
• 1:06:16
  So we're going to go ahead and play a trailer for your your documentary Trance. So just for my so folks, you can actually watch this trailer on Rise, sorry, watch the documentary on Rise TV. We have the documentary. We just launched it on there. And if you want to continue us in this discussion and dive into some of these other, maybe a little more darker agenda items, we're going to do that over on Rise TV.
• 1:06:41
  There is a in the link in the description below the video is a link for a free trial. So please come join us over there because you won't want to miss this. And I can tell you that Kathy's documentary is absolutely incredible. So let's go ahead and roll the trailer for that. And we'll continue the conversation over on Rise TV.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: It was so hard to come running out of a hell that nobody believed existed. My name is Kathy O'Brien, and I'm a survivor of MKUltra Mind Control. The MK Ultra program was to ultimately control the minds of the population for implementing what Adolf Hitler first termed the New World Order. Girls reached age 30, they were murdered or they were sacrificed. I was going to be killed as well.
• 1:07:44
  I was to go out in a blaze of glory and be be burned alive. I'm so fortunate that an intelligence insider who saw the kind of corruption that was going on in the highest levels of government decided to take action and rescued me and saved my life so that we could begin to expose what was being done.